Morals aside, she sounded like she must have been intelligent to navigate a sexist and antisemitic time and still end up with all that money and all those men

@rebeccalee1065

4 жыл бұрын

She Couldn't Have Faced Too Much Sexism, Or Anti-Semitism, If She Became Wealthy. It Was A Good Thing She Abandoned Her Children...She Would've Been A Horrible Role Model.

@SafetySpooon

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccalee1065 How do you know how much she faced? She lived a sexist life as it was, selling her body for money. She just worked the system to her own advantage. As far as antisemitism goes, she changed her name, didn't she? She was trying to hide who she was from the start. that's how MANY Jews have prospered through the years, even if it's found out later.

@YourGraceMyLady

3 жыл бұрын

SafetySpooon you sound mad that Jews get money lol 😂 sorry but you do.

@rebeccalee1065

3 жыл бұрын

@@SafetySpooon Why The RANT?! It's Not That Serious. If You Are SO Concerned, Where Is Your COMPASSION For The Children She Had Abandoned?

@sandra-jones

3 жыл бұрын

@@YourGraceMyLady actually they sound upset because this woman is being judged and misunderstood.

Can you imagine, you marry your husband and you're rummaging around in the attic or something and find his former wife in embalming fluids? OMG

@flashylights

3 жыл бұрын

Be back honey going to grocery store for sugar. (Runs and never looks back)

@cynthiameans

3 жыл бұрын

IKR!

@flashylights

3 жыл бұрын

@@cynthiameans 😂🤣🤣run girll

@cynthiacarr3294

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr! She probably Screamed !

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

Yuck and EWWW.

By the way, "Maison de passe" means "brothel", a literal translation would be "home of trick" as in French "passe" means "trick", an informal word for "sexual relationship provided by a prostitute". The name of the establishment gives it all away, where is the mystery lol

@pickettywitchoriginal

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information Qeenie 🙂

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Thanks!

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I love learning about language. Especially those that are foreign to me.

@megancrager4397

2 жыл бұрын

That's where it came from!? Thx for sharing. I always wondered how that term became used for prostitution

Yay! Been hanging out! thanks for your hard work. xx. "She's at least 40 ... " says a male who was at least 50 but still considered himself a catch. Nothing much has changed! As they say - women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street, bald with a beer gut and think they're still sexy". lol.

@jamsaidemelo1367

3 жыл бұрын

It's already happening.

@jjba3571

3 жыл бұрын

And funny enought our society make fun of old womam that look young too, "she tries to stay young poor her" .... excuse me what ???? If she is still hot good for her !!!

@ace6285

3 жыл бұрын

See it all the time.

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

😆

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

@@jjba3571 I knew a woman just like that. Only she was still beautiful in her 50s. Very beautiful. She was my mother's best friend.

How the hell these people get around like this and I can't even get a man to say hello to me?

@lizr990

3 жыл бұрын

I feel u

@WayToVibe

3 жыл бұрын

I know the question is from two months ago, but courtesans were a part of life for aristocrats. It was a culturally accepted thing and as much as women who did it may be looked down on, they also were looked up to because they couldn't just rely on family name for a man's attention but had to actually be intelligent and good for something other than breeding. There are a number of women who still do this art form to this day. There are literally hundreds of books out there detailing how to catch the attention of rich men and keep them coming back. Courtesans still exist, they just go by the name "trophy wife" and "gold digger" now.

@patandersen4271

3 жыл бұрын

You're born 2 late.

@clarissaubawuike6596

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤦‍♀️

@wowso4

3 жыл бұрын

Tell me about it! I can't even get one proposal maybe its a good thing since we have good morals lol and not willing to sale ourselves. 😆

It's amazing how you find these almost nobody people, historically speaking, with such fascinating stories of eventful lives. Don't stop what you're doing, because this is one of my favorite curiosity channels I listen to to relax and find much inspiration from.

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much 💙

There's a mexican saying that goes "A woman has more pull than a team of oxen"

@carissacortazzo

3 жыл бұрын

Omg my mom would say this except she’s from South America not Mexico and her words exactly “ two pubic hairs have more pull than two oxen”

@deb7534

3 жыл бұрын

@@carissacortazzo like in Italian: "tira più un pelo di figa che un carro di buoi!" 😂

@Janeofbucks

3 жыл бұрын

Facts only!😂

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

@@deb7534 Could you translate that for me, please? I am curious.

@ozver

3 жыл бұрын

My aunt in Mexico used to say, “jala mas un par de tetas que una carreta.” Translation: it pulls more a pair of tits that an ox cart.

The original city girl. 😂

@chocolatetye797

3 жыл бұрын

I'm loving your name... I might have to steal that..

@lboogie2679

3 жыл бұрын

😝

@tannekabrown

3 жыл бұрын

😅😂🤣

@sashacruz7080

3 жыл бұрын

😂‼️

@NYLily07

3 жыл бұрын

Me too! And you’re pretty!

I need a part 2 because I want to know how his wife reacted upon finding his dead wife in the attic. Did she tell him to remove her at once? I need to know! Great video!

@Vailyn

2 жыл бұрын

That would also interest me very much! It was an intriguing ending that I would have liked to know more about.

@Shoebidoo1

2 жыл бұрын

Count Guido's second wife Jekaterina Slepzowa (1862 - 1929), who came from St Petersburg and was 32 years younger than him, suffered a heavy shock and a nervous breakdown when she detected her predecessor's body in an alcohol-filled glass tank. But she could not get her husband to remove it from the attic of Neudeck Castle (today: Swierklaniec in Silesia, Poland). Only after Count Guido's death in 1916, his first wife was buried in the Von Henckel-Donnersmarck family vault.

@Shoebidoo1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vailyn I gave a detailed answer to @Hot Mess History with Ti Said What Ti Said which could be interesting for you too, please look above! Best wishes

@Vailyn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shoebidoo1 Thank you for this answer. That's shocking. I can't even imagine how she must have felt. Pure horror! Have a wonderful day and thank you again. :)

@Shoebidoo1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vailyn You're welcome! Greetings from Germany

What I really like about your videos is your knack for presenting the positive aspects of peoples lives, without avoiding the sadness. In today's world we are bombarded with negativity; you are a refreshing balance of reality (the positive and the negative) that we need.

Fun fact, the womam in the thumbnail is not La Paiva. She is actually la Belle Otero, another famous and rich ( not in later life though ) courtesan.

No matter how one feels about her tactics, she did exceptionally well for someone born with three strikes against them (female, poor, Jewish). Fascinating story, thanks!

@rebeccalee1065

4 жыл бұрын

What She Obtained In This World Didn't Earn Her Much In Respect, Did It? So Much For Her Doing "Exceptionally" Well.

@juneroberts5305

4 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccalee1065 True, but others like her died diseased, starving, and poor. She did well just for the fact she made a good life for herself and died with some dignity. She was a Jewish woman, and nothing would have earned her the respect of people to begin with in that era.

@rebeccalee1065

4 жыл бұрын

@@juneroberts5305 Tell Me, What Should Mean More To A Woman...Their Dignified Honor And Respect? Or, The Amount Of Wealth They Had Obtained In This World (Through IMMORAL Means)?

@esterherschkovich6499

3 жыл бұрын

Agree!A fighter on those scores..!

@SafetySpooon

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccalee1065 Only you can choose for you, & others can choose for themselves.

What a fascinating story about this courtesan's life. I hadn't heard of her but I was riveted to every word of your story about her. I wonder what happened to her son and daughter and did they know about their mother's lifestyle. I was surprised that she ended up a wealthy woman because most courtesan's end up penniless. Great investigating of this story!

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! Her kids died around 20ish of I'm correct

@bannanaberryboard

3 жыл бұрын

They probably heard at least some amount of rumors about her, especially from their fathers’ or their fathers’ families

@TheMightyBlackPearl

Жыл бұрын

@@bannanaberryboard It's sad because we don't know what all the children were told. For instance, you know how during breakups/divorces (ugly ones) typically if children are involved, families take sides. Like the father's parents would take his side and vice versa. So that also means that whatever information they did receive on her, it could have been skewed out of anger, pain, ect, since we know that her first child was taken in by her Paternal Grandparents and raised. I hope not. I hope they got the full true story. I believe that everybody should know where/who they come from, if they choose!

She was going to obtain her goal, come heck or high water. Well done I do so enjoy your narration. Thank you again for all the hard work you do.

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🙂

You pronounce these names so perfectly.

Ahhh I wanted to know what happened when the new wife found her body in the attic!!! 😲

@jasondaricus4513

3 жыл бұрын

She called the cops

@erikrungemadsen2081

3 жыл бұрын

Talk about skeletons in the closet.

@MK-hh1vo

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!! How could he end the video without discussing that!!! Plus his dates are off; he said she and the count moved to the mansion in 1877 but he also said he remarried in 1877. Yet she died in 1884 🤔

@Curlyblonde

2 ай бұрын

​@@erikrungemadsen2081Always check your attics too!

Hooker, gold digger, child abandoner. Rich in the pocket poor in the heart. Great story. Thank you

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@mermaidzoephiahart

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@mariefray7014

3 жыл бұрын

You sumed it up pretty good

@avamasquerade

2 жыл бұрын

I've never heard someone so completely destroyed the way the Goncourt brothers did to her...like they shredded her very soul with the coldest take down I've ever had the pleasure of reading, the barrage of brutality broken up with the tiniest and most calculating of complements ...I'm just....so damn impressed I can't hardly stand it...

@avamasquerade

2 жыл бұрын

I've never heard someone so completely destroyed the way the Goncourt brothers did to her...like they shredded her very soul with the coldest take down I've ever had the pleasure of reading, the barrage of brutality broken up with the tiniest and most calculating of complements ...I'm just....so damn impressed I can't hardly stand it...

Very, very interesting. Her life story reads like a great example of what can happen when sheer determination meets seizing the opportunity. She just went for it, didn’t she? Amazing story 😊

@ForgottenLives

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

OMG! WOW she was something! Great Video! IG models now are doing the same thing😁

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😌

She wasn't made for motherhood or marriage. She was all about me, myself, and I.

@hoe4_sho

Жыл бұрын

Women are not a one size fits all, some want a family, others weren't meant to embark down that path. And there is nothing wrong with that. Nor is there anything wrong with putting yourself first. Some do this in the most literal sense and others do this by choosing the nuclear family, because it is their desire in life. Both are admirable.

@Curlyblonde

2 ай бұрын

Typical Narcissist. Constantly need fresh supply of many romantic partners, can be involved with many at the same time, with their need for others' resources for them to live off of. Most of them abandon their children or become very distant parents. Children get in their way of them having a good time, cost money that they would rather spend on themselves and may also take the spotlight off them.

omg that "detailed description" was intense

The image in the thumbnail is of another great courtesan - La Belle Otero.

Looking at photos of her online.. her bed is incredible!! Very “The birth of Venus”

Her story reminds me of the Mexican telenovela “Teresa”, perhaps they were inspired by Esther’s own life.

@sj.x04

3 жыл бұрын

Rubi too!

You have a good voice for narrating and presenting a programme.

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I love listening to his voice as he narrates.

I don’t know whether cudos are in order or boos! Lol A very ambitious amoral woman, but she obviously had some hidden “ talents”. I wonder if she ever thought about her 2 children? And how did she avoid having many many more?

@bannanaberryboard

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure she did think about them, however there was no way she was going to be able to keep either of them, as custody would’ve gone to the fathers anyway (both because she was a woman and because of her reputation in particular)

@MK-hh1vo

3 жыл бұрын

She probably didn't want them or thought much about them. With the status and riches she acquired she could have fought for custody or at least visitation. I think as she got richer she was more privy to ways to prevent pregnancy that weren't available to poor women.

@Shoebidoo1

2 жыл бұрын

Both children did not live to grow old. Antoine Villoing jr., born in 1837, stayed with his father Antoine sr. and died in 1862. Henriette Herz (born and died around 1840/45) lived with her paternal grandparents in Vienna.

@sheilahales4313

Жыл бұрын

@@bannanaberryboard I doubt she cared about them. She prefered the high life and her jewels than she did her children

Even though this is a year old I love hearing about how other women lived in that particular era.. it’s fascinating to me. Keep up the good work and after I’m done watching this, I’m going to your channel to see what else you have😂

Sad to leave her children but yet,they were better off without her.. boy she had some crazy courage..and in Hebrew Chutzpah..Cheek!!!

@saevori4896

3 жыл бұрын

Stella David being a ruthless good digger has nothing to do with “Hebrew Chutzpah”. Have some standards for goodness sakes.

@chihuahuadog9996

3 жыл бұрын

Fransn zol esn zayn laybe!

@patandersen4271

3 жыл бұрын

LOL she sure did well said, Stella David.

@MK-hh1vo

3 жыл бұрын

Sbe probably didn't want those kids, was probably forced to have them, glad to leave them behind. I too give her kudos for being a bad broad who took no prisoners! Go girl!

Many of these Courtesans appear to be just out for the money. Like they are doing everything they can for it just like the robbers in the western United States during that time. The difference was these women were allowed to do it. She was no different and left a lot of heart ache along the way. She indeed got what she wanted. Very interesting life. Thanks FL 💕

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🙂

She sounds like someone you'd honestly hate to know in real life. "Look at me I super rich"...abandons children, leaves lovers broke, marries a man to take off with both his name and money the very next day. What a class act... not.

Some lives are best forgotten.

Thank so much! Your videos are always interesting and superbly narrated. Looking forward to the next one.

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

Thanks Flives. Really enjoyed this story. Didn't know about this woman. I can see her managing well in our time. Now, she would have been on one of the Housewives of ..... Show! Stay safe.💜

@nancyM1313

4 жыл бұрын

⚘40

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍 glad you enjoyed :)

@hkbabel

4 жыл бұрын

:-) I despise those Housewives Of... shows. I bet she could do better (or worse), politics? :-)

I’m so glad I found your channel, I love reading about historical biography and your channel as taught me so much! thank you! 😊

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much :)

Thank you for another interesting story. I look forward to your posts.

Beautiful Job! You brought her to life! What a wild life she lead. Often on her terms. Excellent presentation, as always. Hard work and perfect pronunciation of names and such- Wow! Loved the pictures to illustrate the lives and times. What an excellent job! Bravo! Keep up the excellent work!!!😉

The name of this woman and her colorful lifestyle has come up many times in my world, because of my interest and study of important jewelry. This audio biography, which you have produced is the most I have been able to learn about her so far. From the pictures of her and descriptions of her personality it is difficult to understand the extent of her success. And yet it all seems to be true, which makes it even more fascinating.

She may have made a lot of money, but how heartless are you to leave your children.

@lodnisroub

4 жыл бұрын

Men do it all the time...

@TheAncestors1738

3 жыл бұрын

@@lodnisroub And so what? Does that make it right?

@daisyjune5135

3 жыл бұрын

She was a narcissist. Manipulated people and didn’t care about her children.

@cooper1st

3 жыл бұрын

The kids may have been better off without her given her personality.

@analyhernandez4607

3 жыл бұрын

Petra Hyklová that does not make it right for a woman to do it. It’s wrong either way.

Thanks For Another Awesome Story!I've never heard bout this one before. Very Interesting💙

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks so much F L, You really did your homework (as usual). You came up with so much that I didn't know about La Paiva. Very informative and interesting, and so well read. She was a real piece of work!

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching :)

Forgotten Lives, You do amazing work on your content. I always learn something from you and your videos. Keep up the fantastic work for for real.👌😘😇😍👍

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks as always!!!

@tiffanybenefield1980

4 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenLives You're welcome.

@hkbabel

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed & TY FL

What a great episode. Well done!

Thank you for yet another fascinating story!

Loved the story and your narration 🦋

the fact that she discarded both her children seriously calls her moral fiber in question fo rme

@catherineervin2630

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you. My thoughts exactly .

@JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. You made them, their your responsibility. Dont want responsibility, dont have em.

@sandra-jones

3 жыл бұрын

@Sherry Ramirez Would you rather she keep two unwanted children? Just because you don't want children does not make you immoral. Unwanted children are often abused. This was a time period when it was against the law to use birth control *and* to refuse your husband. She did what was best for those children at the time.

@sherryramirez6329

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandra-jones i have two grown children thank you very much. But i would ask do you think that they babies deserve to be murdered before they even have a chance to live? Yes abuse happens but we cannot use that as an excuse for murder.

@kamurablade

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandra-jones I guarantee you she didn't do it out of the kindness and loving heart of a mother, lol. She was a selfish sociopath who just needed her kids out of the way. They sure were better off without her.

Your channel has added more to my knowledge,I have never heard of half of the people,,till I started watching your channel,and wonderfully told,

I love this story I remember reading that her husband had her pickled after death and she was placed in a giant glass jar in a tower of the Silesian castle so he could admire her for the rest of his life

@rebeccalee1065

4 жыл бұрын

Too Bad For Him...I Doubt That Same Kind Of Love Was Reciprocated On Her End (For Him).

@crystalbrame7886

3 жыл бұрын

Rebecca Lee people were so weird in those Days 😬😬

@Kayla-dm8nr

3 жыл бұрын

Ew. Lol creepy.

@sisuguillam5109

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccalee1065 you really do hate her, don't you?

@rebeccalee1065

3 жыл бұрын

@@sisuguillam5109 I Don't Hate Her... I Just Don't Respect Women Like Her. Besides, What's So Decent About Being A Prostitute?

Excellent as always thank you for all your dedication to your videos.

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Her home was incredible ❤️ thank you for sharing her story.

Thank you always for your effort.

Fantastic channel. Super interesting. Thanks

I imagine she grew up very poor and was determined not to be poor again so I understand why she did what she did. But to leave your kids behind is something else entirely.

I just love your channel everything about it and the fact that you've only just begun I can't wait to see what you're going to be doing in a few years from now ❤️💯.

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

Thank you so very much for these brilliant bits of insight into the lives of the “celebrities” of a bygone era. ⚜️💠⚜️

Like always amazing job ty for the entertainment and knowledge

Haven't been keeping up w my channels...so I'm. Playing catch-up!!!Thank you always for your hard work and fantastic content!!!Lots of love... chr.wv...usa

Oh. My. God. That letter to her new husband - if literally word for word what she said - was absolutely BRUTAL. She may not have had a title but lord she was a Queen. ( 7:09 for the curious!)

@ashleelarsen7765

Жыл бұрын

Thnks

Loved this story so much! The illustration on the video, was just great. Your narration was brilliant FLives! Thank you.

@ELKE-

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. All ads ok! Good morning

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

@ELKE-

4 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenLives No problem

What a fun and interesting video. Loved it!

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks ☺️

What a fascinating story.. thanks for sharing it with us, FL 👍

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Good work ! Great story.

Great story. Well told with wonderful visuals.

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😌

I need to get some pointers from her. Lol 😂

Right before I go to bed 🛌😌. Thank-you 🥰

That was super interesting. Thanks!

You have a wonderful voice and it's a pleasure to listen to you

Great Job as usual 🙂

Wonderful. Thanks for sharing

Love it. Thank you!!!

Thank You For Sharing 😊

Loved it! First time.

But the woman on the thumbnail is not La Paiva, it's La Belle Otero in a byzantine costume, cut from a Reutlinger postcard, i think. Still a great video! Thank you for all your hard work!

What an extraordinary woman really enjoyed this story

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!

@1_Fish.2_Fish.Red_Fish.

3 жыл бұрын

What an extraordinary banker.

That was a wonderful, and very interesting video. I would like to see a follow up about the husband's new wife and how she found the corpse in the attic. That would freak me out. 😯😟

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I think there's not too much information on it sadly :/

Great story thanks for sharing

I am new to this channel but I am enjoying all of this information and history it is very interesting thank you for bringing it to us

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it, thanks :)

Very interesting and well researched

Great story. Thank you 😊

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Love your channel.👍🏻🇨🇦

Did I miss a part 2? Amazing video

Forgotten Lives, thank you for this absolutely fascinating story.

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@susanyoung5447

3 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenLives which would you rather have? A fascinating person or a beautiful one? Assuming you had to choose one or the other.

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

@@susanyoung5447 fascinating!

Perfect storytelling😉

Wow these women knew how to make stuff happen. Money. Money. Money.

Loved every part of this fabulous life.

Wonderful story and narraration! The obscene opulence reminds me of today.

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Boy she sure got around. I don't see how she could be happy

Thank you very entertaining and instruct full

Excellent story telling.

Looks awesome!

Interesting story. Not everyone’s cup of tea but I like that she remained true to herself.

Wow... just wow.... Thank you 😊

Damn!!! Sis the 🐐

@tm8559

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Been looking forward to this one.

@ForgottenLives

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers 😊

That story is amazing!

I watch at least one of your shows a week . Look in to the Mad Trapper of Rat river Albert Johnson. It was a big deal in Canada . Cheers! Keep producing I will like every episode I am sure

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks ! Will look him up !

she must have been great with languages to do so well socially wherever she went. unless she was so stunning just blinking at people was enough to do it...i wouldn't know what that's like :-) it's also strange that in her letter she says both that she's been completely honest with him and then says she's a horrible person who he could introduce to no one. it seems like she probably left that out. but perhaps if she really believed in her honesty it made her self image more tolerable. self delusion seems common enough in the highest levels of our society, well, either that or just lying...it's hard to know what goes on truly in people's minds. all we can do is try to avoid them and hope they don't acquire wealth or power

@TawnyC_

2 жыл бұрын

I think she just meant that everyone knew she was a prostitute, therefore he really could not introduce her as his wife, on the same level as his friends.

"Schlekhleniks" 💀😂 but I do appreciate the attempt on pronouncing it:) Village Świerklaniec - it's a tongue twister. Anyway I love your content, it's extremely interesting!

The count was Baron de Rothschild. If you mention that it gives people context. One of the most influential families of the twentieth century.

What a story, bravo!

Gowwd, i love your videos about strong women.(Even though she was a gold digger...) Very interesting, thank you!

@ForgottenLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🙂