"You can get a Speedmaster, but it will be your first and last great watch", as Ben Clymer said.

@andycarr9722

2 жыл бұрын

I'd take that tbf

@michaelcarlson1626

2 жыл бұрын

I agree it is a great watch. First and last? I still give you my thumbs up.

The negative on the clasp have been silently (?) fixed by Omega. You can now adjust with a "glidelock" system, but just with two position similar to the pins from the model in the video.

Just picked up my 3861 sapphire version a week ago from my local Omega Boutique. They unexpectedly had just got one in stock, and I bought it straight away. Absolutely love the new case, bracelet and movement. Omega is definitely my favorite brand as well at this point. Thanks for all the great content Bruce!

I think a ceramic bezel on the sapphire sandwich and an aluminum bezel on the hesalite version would have been cool to help differentiate them further with the sapphire being more modern and the hesalite more traditional

@DeeKay1911

2 жыл бұрын

Ceramic with a mat finish maybe

@edwardmcardle

2 жыл бұрын

Ceramic and bracelet adjustment were big omissions

@antoneremin2036

Жыл бұрын

no, it's aluminum, checked at the store.

@explorerjlc1743

8 ай бұрын

bracelet has adjustment now@@edwardmcardle

Great review Bruce. I am with you on this. I bought this version a couple of months ago and love it and the little detail changes - plus I can read it without my glasses - always a bonus 😂

this video gave me the needed strenght to order one. Gonna pick it up next monday sapphire for me! I was told i would get a submariner last month, got sick of waiting and playing games and opted for this. Im over the moon. gonna be my daily, its so versatile. thank you so much, Bruce. You helped me a lot. gonna form a dynamic duo with my explorer 214270

@explorerjlc1743

8 ай бұрын

did you get a discount on your speedy?

I picked up the hesalite version 2 months ago and I've worn it every day since. I agree wholeheartedly that it's absolutely wonderful. This is one of my favorite iterations of the Speedy and I couldn't be happier about it. Great video, love the content!

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Logan!

@horacephistbump4867

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 3 weeks in and could not be happier

I tried this one on at our local AD last week. It was comfy on the bracelet! I mean, it felt really good, much better than I expected. Overall, I was very impressed with the watch. Argh, my Breguet needs to come back from repair so I am not so tempted!!!

I just bought mine 2 weeks ago, and i absolutely liked it, especially super comfy bracelet. if they could've put an extra strap and spring bar tool into this smaller size box, that'd been a dream package for sure.

Great as usual Bruce. Barring any huge expenses, this one will be in my collection next spring.

It's one of my favorites in my collection. I love it so much. I got the new bracelet for my "older" 1861 model and it changes everything. It fits better and is much more comfortable.

Great review Bruce! I'm completely happy with my SS Speedy and I appreciate the improvements over the 1861.

Thanks for the review Bruce. I’m gonna hang on to my 1863 for now. It was my first luxury timepiece.

Great video totally share your passion for this masterpiece I’ve had mine since 1980 never missed a beat

Great pick up! I held back from getting the previous generation as the lugs stick out too much, this new model resolved the issue for me!

You're always a flipper, but you are absolutely a fan of Omega. I can respect that! I love my Speedy. It's been with me for nearly 20 years. I do have my eye on the Grey Side of the Moon ceramic with the Ag dial. I think that may be my next.

Your passion really comes threw, I'm a big fan of Omega

Went in to my A.D. on Friday to pick up the box for my Seamaster. I was looking at the Hesalite and tried it on. I didn't immediately fall in love..3 days on my wrist and it's quickly becoming a favorite!!

It's amazing. I love this watch, I just got it actually. That box is huge but it's beautiful to look at.

i loved the jubliee bracelet. thats why now i would love to add this model too. thanks to you today i got to know how beautiful this watch looks on wrist . nowhere in earth i had seen a perfect wristshot yet thanks to you.

I just traded my old hesalite speedy for the new sapphire today. The difference is night and day! No more scratches, better movement, improved case and the waaaaayyy better bracelet. Id recommend to everyone to make the step up!!! It now feels like I have a proper luxury watch on my wrist.

@adityachandra7683

Жыл бұрын

How much did you get for the hesalite? Thinking of doing the same..

@Mega-zi7ys

Жыл бұрын

For hesalite you can just put a super thin 0.1mm soft self healing TPU film It's invisible and no more scratches and polishing. Best regards

Very nice video and highlight of the icon Bruce. The bracelet, and taper, is so nice. Clasp unacceptable at this pricepoint. As I've learned, the bracelet and fit is one of the most overlooked features of a watch. Lug to lug, lug width, diameter, bezel etc etc have more flexibility. With an 8.75" wrist, I cannot do the Speedy. I would get pissed every morning winding the poorly designed crown for a mechanical. I solved my problem though. Bought a black Lunar Pilot on BF from Kohls for $250, getting $50 in Kohls cash back. Then I picked up Chronissimo black leather straps with white stitching that fits it perfectly. No service costs, and the Bulova movement is more accurate. I must confess, I do collect styles of watches, and this scratched the moonwatch itch while allowing me to put that money towards my favorite style of watch, the diver. I do have respect for the Speedy, it's just not for me and my wrist size. I'm not complaining though. lol

Great review, Bruce. Entertaining. balanced and informative. Few watches can claim the storied history and provenance of the Speedmaster Moonwatch. Lovely new version if it.

As usual, I think you were spot on, w/ your assessment of the legendary 'Moonwatch.' Like you, I would prefer this newest iteration, the 3861, over the previous versions. Primarily, for that bracelet, but also for the additional upgrades discussed. IMHO, just a lot of watch, for the money. The quintessential, "tool watch." Thank you for sharing it. I really enjoyed this presentation of the piece, as well as, the history of its' predecessors. . Undoubtedly, you put a good bit of time, and effort into the making of this production. It shows. Great job

What a beautiful timepiece. I am still happy with my 1861. And of course my 3559.50 Schumacher. They will stay in my collection forever.

Easily the coolest and most iconic watch!! My cousin has one, needless to say I pester him to have a play with it whenever I see him.. Would love one, but my financial position after more than a year of furlough will take yonks to recover from, and Ive got my heart set on the more suitable for my lifestyle Seamaster 300 or Railmaster....but one day 😉 Cheers Mate 👍🏻👍🏻🌙🚀 Edit - awesome intro Bruce!!!

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother

I picked up the Hesalite model 2 days ago and I’m LOVING it!

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats!

I got mine today at the AD. I totally agree with every point you made. I had to wait for 2 months and no discount was offered (unlike the Seamaster). According to the AD here, when stocks arrive they don’t even bother putting it on display as they are all practically all spoken for when they land.

Man tried one on my wrist for very first time and man was i impressed so light and just beautiful watch and full of history definitely want to add one to collection

I like the new one very much. I owned the old version and sold it. The bracelet and the endlinks are much better right now. I miss the waterresistans and to less micro adjustments. Maybe I buy one in the future. But fore some months I bought the Zenith Chronomaster El Primero 1969 in 42mm and now is the time to enjoy this pice first. Congrats for your new piece. Your video quality is so good 👍🏻

Thanks for the vid...I have the Hesalite, and yes, I do love the box and all the extras. It's about context and history as you mentioned. I saved the money and got the new Rolex 36mm Explorer instead. Keep the videos going, I'm a fan. Aloha.

Absolutely love the Rising Sun limited edition for the 2020 Olympics but the quick jump in price and solid caseback has kept the cash in the wallet...for now. Great review!

Excellent review as always.

Lovely vid and very informative .nice work

I have the previous model hesalite. The new upgrades are nice. However I don’t feel that every watch has to have ceramic. I still don’t understand new watches coming out without on the fly adjustability on the bracelet. Good review Bruce.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Brandon!

I hated the old box. It was so impractical because all it did was take up real estate in storage. The loupe, extra strap and spring bar tool were nice but not essential.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Lol it is absurdly large

@mrgumby552

3 жыл бұрын

I agree Gregory, The box gets put away and only comes out when you are looking for something at the back of the cupboard. I rather the money goes into the watch than the packaging, however an added strap is a great bonus.

@suicunecx2526

2 жыл бұрын

I do wish they included the accessory straps and tools though, as someone who owned an 1861 for many years and is now contemplating buying the 3861. The lack of add-ins and watch nerd fodder kinda sucks, I was one of the ones who enjoyed the presentation box and the extra bits and bobs. Throw in the price increase, the fact I am paying an extra couple grand Canadian and getting significantly less for my money. I mean, I bitch but im still buying the 3861, way better watch overall. xD

I admit this watch is "calling to me." My first "good watch" when I started my watch journey was an Omega Speedy reduced I got in the 90s. I loved everything about it except the bracelet. It was the infamous "hair puller" bracelet. I eventually sold it. I've always had the proper "Moonwatch" on my radar. I had misgivings about the previous generation's bracelet, but this model's bracelet looks fantastic - with the big taper and more intricate link profile, not to mention the nice clasp.

I had to miss out on the big box when I picked up my second hand previous gen Speedy - I was on a tight budget. I obviously would have liked to have it, but my main concern was making sure I got the right watch. I absolutely love it.

Great watch!! Enjoyed the video as ever Bruce!! So excited that you are giving one of these away for the 100k subscribers - or did I miss hear - was it a trip to the moon ha ha

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Lol will do a really good giveaway when I hit 100k

Great Review! Just picked up my 3861 Sapphire las week and loving it. I don't notice the sharp edge that was all the controversy. I completely agree that it needs a micro adjustment at this price. I thought they may add a ceramic bezel but am ok with that they didn't. I don't care too much about the size of the box but would have been nice to get the extra strap considering they gave it in the last, cheaper model.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

I agree the edges are not an issue. Slightly more abrupt than the last generation bit not enough to notice on wrist

I pulled the trigger on one of these a few weeks back. At the AD I had the chance to compare the 1863 with the new sapphire sandwich. It took a while to decide but the 3861 came home with me. I have to agree with the omission of a ceramic bezel insert and on the fly micro adjust are missed opportunities. The literal down size of the box also annoyed me as well. Ultimately I wear the watch not the box. With the new bracelet that tapers and flexes so well and what looks like a tiny clasp I'm unlikely to swap it for a strap anyway. The movement looks great, hacking is nice (but not a deal breaker for me) and the METAS compliance is also a plus. Ultimately that dial is in a different class to my old eyes anyway. A great balanced review Bruce.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that Anthony and congrats to you

Well said about the box and accessories. I just got a hesalite 3861. Love everything but I need more adjustability and want a big boy box!

Man greattttt video. I am so ready to pull the trigger right now but think I’ll wait. The points you made were spot on for me. In the sapphire sandwich I would love to have a ceramic bezel and better adjustment on the clasp. Only reason I’m going to wait is because I bought the previous model sea master professional and a year later the new one came out 🤦‍♂️ not that I regret it. But I wish I would have gotten the newer model. I like it a little more. So if omega wants my $$$$ I really🤞 hope they make those two changes to the bezel and clasp. But great great video

Good review, I’m thinking about getting one. Honestly, I’d prefer the smaller box. Presentation is fun, but then I have to store it!

Another great vid Bruce 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I got mine a few weeks ago at 25% discount! Closing down sale in a local family owned jewellers... I love it!

Great review and video! Does it cost much to replace the hesalite if it gets too scratched up beyond buffing? Like if you were after a watch to last a lifetime would the hesalite be a bad choice?

Man, I wish they'd have bumped up the WR to 100m - that and on-the-fly micro-adjustments would make it a perfect daily.

@martinsulat697

2 жыл бұрын

THAT. And a ceramic bezel. I mean - If the Ed White has it...

What would have been satisfying would be an exhibition caseback with the Hesalite..

I like that the bezel is not ceramic. Also agree on the on the fly adjustment clasp especially for watches at this price point. I don't really care about the box and goodies as it probably kept the price down. I want to wear the watch not the box. I've been looking at the Longines Big Eye for the last year and it was at the top of my list. But with this new update, I think I'm going to save up for the Sapphire Sandwich instead. The non-hacking movements of Speedies before kept me from really wanting one.

Great review as always. Have a Rolex and Panerai and definitely want to add a speed master in the future.

Great review. The constant background music had me wondering if something was wrong with my speaker

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry I've been experimenting with background music and will discontinue it shortly

Great review on this new Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch! May I ask, what size bracelet did you order, and did you order it directly from Omega? I see on their website that size 7.70 is considered “standard”, but I’m not sure exactly what size I should order, and if I order the wrong size, whether or not they include the extra links in the box if I need to have it adjusted. Any help would be much appreciated!

Just picked up the old speedy pro with the 1861 movement and absolutely love it. Wanting to source one of the big black boxes and the extras it comes with but I'm not seeing many on ebay. Any ideas?

This metal Moonswatch is stunning. I think they went above and beyond with this Moonswatch without an "s" edition!!!

Bruce, amazing content as always thanks so much. Are AD's giving any kind of a discount on this or the Hesalite model yet? I want one just not at full retail. Thanks again.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Initially no, but I think most ADs are starting to

Thanks Bruce, great video once again! I think Speedy has one major issue that you didn't mention. You said that this is a toolwatch but I think toolwatch should have better water resistant than 50 m. Many competitors, often in cheaper watches are offering chronographs which have water resistant for 100 m and I think Speedy should offer that same feature too.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comment! I don't consider it an issue as it's good enough for everything except swimming. And if I wanted to swim I would want to wear a diver or a gshock

Great video as usual, what do you think about the Apollo 8? Is it worth buying over this 3861?

I bought mine last month. I’ve the hesalite on the fabric strap. Beautiful .

@Mega-zi7ys

Жыл бұрын

Try putting a super thin 0.1mm soft self healing TPU film, more polishing needed. Best regards

I would like to see a sapphire case back on the Hesalite version

Lovely watch, don’t baby it, I’ve have a Mk40 reduced and for twenty years it never left my wrist until I discovered your channel and started buying more watches!! 🙄😂

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Lol glad to meet another watch nut. Respect for not babying your pieces

Great review. Congrats on the purchase. I agree that it should definitely have an on the fly adjustment feature and a ceramic bezel. What about the sharp edges? I tried one on at the AD and found this to be very annoying. What are your thoughts on this issue? Thanks for your great content and your watch passion. Cheers from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺🍻

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Hey GG, I noticed the edges are a little harsher than the last generation. Not to the degree that I felt any type of irritation or discomfort. I've worn this camping, hiking, to work, I've slept in it. No hotspots, so non issue for me

Yeah my man you are right. Always in my mind and im planning to add a speedy in my collection. Problem is not sure should i take the tokyo 2020 green/sedna gold or the apollo 17 45th anniversary blue ceramic/ceragold. Both same movement same moon watch although the apollo is slightly thicker. The apollo should still be available at AD but the tokyo 2020 piece have to be bought from chrono 24 from Japan. Whats your thoughts?

The 3861 movement is a wonder. My Speedy, with winding every other day, runs 1 second fast per day. The accuracy and now the ability to hack led me to sell my 20+ year old Sapphire Sandwich with the 1863 movement that always ran at the very edge of its +11 seconds a day accuracy rating and get the new model which had gone up to $8000. My old Speedy had been pre-owned when iI bought it and I got $3400 for it which was, I'm sure, more than I paid for it way back when. The now $4600 that I paid for my new Speedy turned out to be one great bargain.

Thanks for your video.

This is going to be my first luxury watch. 👌🏽

Looks a nice upgrade but agree the bracelet needs on the fly adjustment and smaller presentation box and missing nato strap was a cheap move from Omega. I’m not a fan of the looks of the new bracelet but new movement with hacking is a plus. I purchased the 1863 Sapphire Sandwich last year and so far could not be happier with the purchase. I hesitate to check out the new watch in person in case l do a ‘Bruce’ and get the new toy syndrome and upgrade😅

The box , or lack of it doesn’t bother me , but the on the fly adjustment and the non ceramic bezel does. But it’s still very nice 👍🏻 and the history aspect is fantastic, I think 🤔 they took a Swiss Army knife to the moon 🌝 as well

I got a FOIS instead, although the new one, is a great watch ! Great video !

I do love the Omega, it does make me wonder which brand will be selected for planet Mars adventures.

C'mon that old box was ridiculous! It was like 3 shoe boxes... way too big. I do like the new Speedmaster. Great upgrades/updates!

@derekbrettell8121

2 жыл бұрын

Traded my old 1816 today for the new sapphire and I was delighted to get rid of that stupid big box lol. I haven't looked at once since I bought the 1816. The new one wins on every single level

Great vid, like always! It's a shame though that this iconic piece is no option for men with bigger wrists, especially with that tiny clasp. They also stopped producing the three-hands 45mm Planet Ocean in steel and titanium. If you count in the 300m Diver, the three most beloved Omega watches aren't available for guys with large wrist circumferences.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

There is always the proplof! :)

hi bruce what do you think of dive master 300 chronograph? ty

Love your video brother! You did a great job. I do have one question though, have you gone swimming with this watch?

@AMogus-jr6qk

2 жыл бұрын

You absolutely can. Omega certifies their watches properly when it comes to waterproofing, just don't actuate the pushers underwater

Bruce, would you jump in a pull with this beauty? Or aren’t you sure about the water resistance ?

Hey Bruce, can that bracelet fit well on a aqua terra do you know?

This is a quality vid bw You have excelled yourself Icon of the watch world

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

I love all the improvements on the new version. If I didn’t own an older 145.022 I would most definitely get the new one. How long do you think you’ll keep it Bruce? What’s your record for longevity so far?

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

No idea on how long. I think my longest watch was like 5 or 6 years

In terms of negatives, any issues on working the crown, especially winding? Another reviewer on the Grey Side of the Moon mentioned this as somewhat of an ergonomics issue due to the crown guards.

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

No issues on my end. Good amount of tourque needed to turn, defined grip. I have rather large fingers and have no issues in accessing the crown

Hey brother. Great video as usual. Just bought the exact sapphire sandwich you purchased, got it for $5900 from my AD, Reasonable price in your opinion??? let me know

I have the reduced. Love it.

I olways loved this watch

The biggest disappointment is the box indeed, and that's all. Omega wants to keep it retro / original look of the moon watch so I believe that they will never make the bezel ceramic. Quick adjustment / on the fly adjustment of bracelet are meant for diving watches and not for a "Moon Watch" but maybe we will see that in the future. Nice intro BTW.

@KaneChamp

3 жыл бұрын

Clasps with quick adjustments aren't meant for divers only... They give every watch a whole new level of comfort.

@jhapz1410

3 жыл бұрын

@@KaneChamp it's the same as "divers watch are meant for diving use" Catch my drift?

Bruce what is your top wrist width? Wrist circumference is not very useful as yours can be very flat/round. Omega actually has it like that on their wrist size tool. Thanks

did you upgrade to the comfort clasp?

Hi Bruce, with this movement, is it ok to keep the chronograph hand moving all the time?

@AMogus-jr6qk

2 жыл бұрын

Not ideal with any chronograph

May I know the 3861's bracelet can fit the 1863?

Additionally, I thought about this one. But I just picked up the new Tudor BB Chrono reverse panda, from my AD on Saturday. And I am loving it!

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

I am jealous! Still waiting on mine!

@scottwexlin6456

3 жыл бұрын

@@BruceWilliams I got lucky. This watch was apparently intended for another person, but he could not take delivery due to an unusual circumstance. So I got the call! So far, it’s only gained about one second per day. Very accurate. And damn good looking.

@damachine3

3 жыл бұрын

I got the exact same watch a couple of months ago when it first came out and my dealer knows I want the Panda as well. Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, it's my favorite watch of my collection. It's one of the least expensive watches in my collection, yet it's one of my favorites. It's a no-brainer purchase! Edit: I also just picked up the new Tudor ceramic. The jury is still out on that one but it was a solid purchase for the money so I figured what the hell.

Hi Bruce (or anyone else), supposedly there will be another moon landing in a few years. Do you think that will diminish the interest/demand of the Omega Moonwatch? I think the novelty would of the Speedmaster moon watch will be reduced. Curious what others think.

Hey, wonder if you are still wearing this in your rotation. I picked mine up and feel just about the same way as you did about it, ha.

It's an upgrade in almost every respect except reliability, as issues are starting to crop up on the caliber 3861. Love that watch and the upgrade to the case / bracelet / dial & bezel details / pushers, etc. but the Hesalite model I bought last February is already at the Omega Service Center since last week, as the chronograph function has started acting up and stops the movement altogether. I am apparently not an isolated case, judging by some threads on omegaforums.

@TheWutang1995

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this info dude! I've been really wanting to purchase one of these but maybe I'll hold off and see if the problem gets addressed in a future model

@johnnyguitar6697

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWutang1995 Frankly, I wouldn't worry too much about it. The issue appears to be relatively uncommon, and must be down to microscopic variations in tolerance that require either a better lubrification or the changing of a tiny component. I think I was just unlucky. Besides, the Omega took the watch under warranty for a full service, and returned it to me in less than a month. The service at the Omega boutique was flawless.

@TheWutang1995

2 жыл бұрын

Also very good to know. I still have a bit of time before I hit my savings goal but yeah the speedmaster is probably my favorite watch appearance size and the interesting history is also very nice so it's definitely at the top of my want list

@TheWutang1995

2 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity is the hesalite really as delicate as some people say when it comes to scratches? I have my day to day Seiko I wear for work so it's definitely be a going out to dinner watch so are the scratches something to worry about?

@johnnyguitar6697

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWutang1995 It really varies depending on the individual. I never had to worry about it, on this watch or the several vintage Rolex models with acrylic crystal I used to take to the gym until not so long ago. I would get superficial scratches that took 1mn to take off with Polywatch, so it's really not a big deal. But then, there are people who are prone to banging into door frames, tables, etc. and then this might be an issue. If you're one of those, you might consider the sapphire version. If not, the hesalite is perfectly fine in normal daily usage.

100% agreed on the packaging. I am about to purchase Speedy as my first luxury watch. That old packaging would made the experience so much more special. I see why they downgraded it. Competition does not seem to do it so why should Omega? With the new movement they hiked up the price so much...old packaging would make it even more expensive. This video is 2 years old. Now Sapphire sandwitch costs 9000 Euro and basic Heselite 7800 Euro. 3 Years ago they would go for 5k?

Just bought the hesalite love the watch though I do like exhibition casebacks.

How many links out on both sides?

Great review man. I love my Hesalite. Held off on the 'old' one - it just never did it for me, but the new case and 3D dial, married to the new movement that is hacking and accurate are just stellar. Gotta agree about the lack of quick adjust in the bracelet - it would be nice to have, but it fits me perfectly, so not a 'need.' But, gotta disagree about the need for ceramic - man that just would look so off. All shiny and plasticy! Also, those silly big boxes are a PITA. And they kill polar bears ;) Eventually, I see a ceramic/auto Speedy Pro coming - I love a hand-wind, but it puts off a lot of buyers.

I absolutely love my Omega Seamaster professional Hesilite. Omega all the way 🧑‍🚀🚀

Good honest review but I will keep my Hesalite version.

hello Bruce, do you think it's possible to add the new bracelet in the previous speedmaster ? thanks for your video

@BruceWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I've done it and it is compatible

@pierrerogue1871

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. It’s good to know. I will buy the previous in saphir with the new bracelet 👍😍

I think Omega should further separate the hesalite and sapphire sandwich models. I think they should put the 321 movement in the hesalite model, and have the sapphire keep the 3861 and add a ceramic bezel

@explorerjlc1743

8 ай бұрын

no one will buy the sapphire if they did that lmao. Hesalite is already preferred. Omega missed the opportunity to but the old applied omega logo on the sapphire version.

Got my Speedy sapphire sandwich from Antony Cesare at Mayor Jewelers in Atlanta, and could not be happier. I'm all about new technology - so is NASA - which means I want the newest and bestest. NASA doesn't fly the Saturn V anymore, and I'm certain NASA uses the Speedy with the new 3861 escapement.