This was a real convo. A lot of fans are in denial about this. Missing ten 3s and not switching it up is just CRAZY. And you will lose.

@johncarlos1012

Жыл бұрын

Boston perfect example

@dionsmith3427

Жыл бұрын

People blame the players for jacking up 3s, I always put it on the coach. After seeing this and them saying GMs are the ones making the calls to increase 3 attempts, blew my mind

@blackmist1981

Жыл бұрын

Facts. Crazy sht is most fans cant be in denial cuz they dont even recognize the problem

@moneymangg303

Жыл бұрын

@@dionsmith3427 what do you want the coach to do, he shooting the shots? i’m confused on what y’all wanted them to do after they stop shooting. miami was playing zone. sending everything to the rim. jayson tatum hurt his ankle the first play of the game, so the only player who had an inbetween game to split the zone up was being a decoy the rest of the night. Derrick white winning you the game? jaylen brown was playing like a hoe. miami was sending everything to the rim, and bam was blocking all that shit. so what do they really do? when good shooters are missing good shots? derrick white and jaylen brown and marcus smart are bostons shooters, you tell them keep shooting ( obv at some point we say get one at the rim but like i said, bam is paint clogging in the zone) so all of you know better than nba coaches, give me the answer? what would y’all have joe mazzulla do? Jaylen brown couldn’t drive into the zone cause he could not go left. They shaded him the whole night cause the ball was going to be in his hands because like i said, JT was hurt. JT can’t be a playmaker for you. They were out of options. Y’all are literally just talking about nothing, and putting the blame on the coach for jaylen brown not being able to attack the defense. Boston should have stopped shooting yes, okay but then do what? They tried to do that, and jaylen brown had 10 turnovers.

@cobbygaming7021

Жыл бұрын

What the difference from teams doing this and back the day they gave the ball to the big in the post to watch him miss fades pls explain the difference

Honestly game 7 between the rockets and the warriors was hard to watch. Watching them miss 27 straight had me screaming at my tv. Live by the 3, Die by the 3

@savel-oe3lx

Жыл бұрын

Oaktown n da House

@cmj8304

Жыл бұрын

As a Rox fan, I can honestly say I lost my sh*t watching that game lol 🤘🏾

Facts. I miss 2000s/2010s where if a team had bigs like Kenyon Martin and Camby then the other team had to strategize in order to find a way to take those guys out the game. It also puts more pressure on your 'shooters' to make their shots instead of having a endless supply of shot attempts

@allanawanyo4966

Жыл бұрын

Theyll just pit then in foul trouble

@bthomas822

Жыл бұрын

@@allanawanyo4966 That'd be the goal but guarantee before they foul out theyll have affected the game in ways that a real big should instead of being forced to shoot 3s and switching onto smaller guards.

@noisepuppet

Жыл бұрын

Camby was my favorite chaos agent. Wherever you shot it from, Camby might fly in and swat it. Loved that Denver squad.

@FupaDoncic

11 ай бұрын

They need Camby for Shaq and K Mart for all the West’s HOF PF’s. It was a different game.

@malikreid8939

11 ай бұрын

Offense will always win

The fact that a team like the Celtics were playing well in the paint and then went back to 3s makes me think it’s coming from up top

@TheCelticD

10 ай бұрын

I think players like Harden and Luka influenced the way Tatum and Brown are coached. The Celtics keep trying to run the same kind of heliocentric offense those guys run, but Tatum and Brown aren't close to Harden and Luka as ball handlers.

Players wanna shoot like Steph in the game but don’t wanna shoot like Steph in practice

@khwezi_bass

Жыл бұрын

They want the results without the work

@roverjohnson6854

Жыл бұрын

Cause you know 🥴

@DaInfantOne

Жыл бұрын

This is a cold take. If you don’t think players practice shooting in the gym - you obviously don’t understand how sports work. They just not Steph, but doesn’t mean they don’t practice

@kamotetops1572

Жыл бұрын

@@DaInfantOne "but doesn’t mean they don’t practice" - They do practice. But not as HARD! Not all players value practice as important as the others.

@johnwalker1761

Жыл бұрын

Steph kisses the most threes out of anybody wtf lol lol he be bricking. He just shoots so much

made 2 is better than a missed 3

@charleshenderson6890

Жыл бұрын

Preach!! It’s a fast break stop and pull up a 3 makes no since.

@timothyherbert8106

Жыл бұрын

Wow, that is such an insightful take

@FrozenAngel4173

Жыл бұрын

The teams that don't shoot enough 3s can't keep up. Look at the entire league.

@Geeandrezzi

Жыл бұрын

@@FrozenAngel4173 because they shoot BAD shots and play worse defense…

@DavidLee-cw6ci

Жыл бұрын

@@Geeandrezzi No the maths is if the opposition has decent shooters you're going to get shot off the court if you're just going for twos

I'm glad somebody said it, this is a very true issue. Watching the Lakers play is like a time capsule because they don't follow the same recipe like other inadequate cooks trying to cook the same plate.

@strawsbeatturtles5226

Жыл бұрын

Wdym Lebron took over 100 3s in the playoffs this year and barely shot over 25%

@maddoxalucard6587

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@strawsbeatturtles5226I was able to say this They play the same as every other team respectively LBJ was chucking up 7 3s during the season and 7 3s during these playoffs The lakers took 31 per game during the season

@BIGHOMIEBUBBA

Жыл бұрын

Chucking 3s is the reason they got swept. I was SCREAMING at my tv saying stop shooting 3s for games 2 and 3

@F76CC

Жыл бұрын

It’s been said for a very long time. They’re far from the first to say it.

@NoCapJayy

Жыл бұрын

You mean the knicks.. only team that plays the type of ball they are talking about on defense. and dont rely on the 3 ball to win(although thats due to them having zero snipers on that team)

America needs Needs Gil, Kenyon Martin, Kevin Garnett and Gary Payton in one room talking basketball unfiltered for at least a year

@monunyabidness5949

Жыл бұрын

I like some of the things JJ Reddick has said too.

@DeathWing572

11 ай бұрын

And shumpert 💯💯

I think NBA teams have hit a wall we went from too many midrange and inside play to too much threes. I think a new revolution is coming where teams will have to change up their systems

@IM-st2yo

Жыл бұрын

its not that deep, its basketball

@garrettmcleoduy4238

Жыл бұрын

What was deep about that? He means a revolution in strategy, not a political revolution or some shit. If you think that’s deep then you need to stay at the shallow end

@rafikz77

Жыл бұрын

yep it has always been unbalanced

@rdelacruz8949

Жыл бұрын

​@@garrettmcleoduy4238Lmao.. yeah he's definitely on the short bus

Every single NBA coach needs to play this video clip for their teams! Gil hit it on the head! That damn Joe Mazzulla response was absurd and if that is truly what Boston and other teams are going to continue to do - just throw the entire damn league away.

@Bo-whiskey

Жыл бұрын

Right... he has a college coach's mentality

@Dantana773

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@roverjohnson6854

Жыл бұрын

Celtics were the best 3 point shooting league in the team league this year. They had no reason to stop shooting them 🤷🏽‍♂️

@dw00ds

Жыл бұрын

@@roverjohnson6854 true - but the playoffs are a different beast. Defense ramps up in the post season. When you’re making 7 for 35 or 9 for 42, you have to switch it up. A game plan to just shoot “lights out” will not win you games against a team that can put up equal offense AND a good defense. 42 attempts is insanely high for one game. At some point, as a professional player you have to get those 3 points the old-fashioned way…and save for Derrick White, Williams and Tatum - the rest of that crew really struggled to move away from the perimeter.

@Dejays_lifestyle

Жыл бұрын

Facts celtics like 3 s but aren't shooters

It's good that Jokic made it to the finals, it's going to recalibrate the game, into becoming less 3 pointer centric.

@CoachK_

Жыл бұрын

Well i wouldn’t say less 3 point centric, if Jokic wanted to, he could draw triples and just find MPJ cash all day. BUT more fundamental basketball will matter more now than anything and i love it. Jokic and Doncic are the best and they’re the catalyst for fundamental ball.

@hooligan5381

Жыл бұрын

@@CoachK_ Luka my fav player I've seen too many games he does not play fundamental basketball just think about Tim Duncan who they called big fundamental and watch Luka. what he does is not fundamental basketball

@user-gm5gc1be4w

Жыл бұрын

@@hooligan5381 I mean he doesn’t jack a lot of threes and he’s one of the only stars who actually post up. I get what you’re saying as Luka tends to overdribble and play ISO a lot but I feel like that’s just the guard style that teams are accustomed to and want to have nowadays

@joshuadonald9383

Жыл бұрын

Umm Jokic is a great 3 point shooter

@coreygolpheneee

Жыл бұрын

​@@joshuadonald9383 on low volume, he takes the ones that are given to him only.

If you break down the defense and generate a lot of great looks from three, then go ahead and keep shooting. But so many analytics-based approaches assume that bricking threes is a matter of variance and if you shoot enough they'll start going in. That's why we get these embarrassing game 7 stats of teams missing 30+ three point attempts. It's like they forget that shooting from distance is a skill-based performance and some days your team collectively doesn't have it because of things like fatigue or nerves.

@moyosoredada3109

Жыл бұрын

Exactly a lot of it is surface level analytics and not 2nd order analytics, which factor 3P% by amount of shots made/games played

@dash4800

Жыл бұрын

Analytics does not factor in 2 tho gs anyone who plays ball understands. Hot vs cold shooting and the effect of the top defenses you get in the playoffs. We've all had games where we couldn't muss no matter how ridiculous our shot selection was and we've all had games where we can't make the most wide open, zero pressure shots. Analytics can create amazing regular season teams as we see all the time in every sport, bit it means jack shit in the playoffs.

@durangobasics6195

Жыл бұрын

Individual player misses 3 straight threes penalize by 2 free throw. Team misses 7 straight 3 pointers penalize by 2 free throws. Missing 2s no penalty for missing

The game hasn’t had an adjustment to have a great risk/reward balance. It’s like jump attacks when playing a fighting game. Jump attacks are usually the best attacks/combo starters but most players have devastating anti air counters… So you can’t jump attack all game against experienced players or you’ll get punished repeatedly. In other words it works great when it works but when it doesn’t you’re screwed. The answer is to have a steady diet of high percentage attacks while peppering in higher reward attacks(3s) sparingly.

@uprightprince

Жыл бұрын

Love this!

@dezzo6153

Жыл бұрын

Nerd ahh nigga

Have been saying this for years All teams play the same which makes it boring But even when I play now at my ripe age of 34 I legitimately start with a couple mids A few post moves with pump fakes,passes,hooks and fades Then I’ll take a couple of 3s but if I miss both then I go back to mids,lay ups and post fades But every young guy I play with is just Drive then a bunch of 3s

@bmwright1991

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I’m right there with ya bro. These kids all think they’re curry. They’re not! I live by flashing to the elbows and either shooting, or waiting for someone to cut and I can dish it to them. Then that opens space and more opportunities up because they know we’ll take the smart shots over just one specific shot.

@KwisBwown

Жыл бұрын

and no defence hahahaha

@maddoxalucard6587

Жыл бұрын

@@bmwright1991 exactly and too be honest I’m a much better passer then scorer So yeah I tend to stay in my triple threat I jab step often,I tend to only use 3-4 dribble moves to either drive or I pull up for a uncontested mid range But yeah if I see somebody cutting I’ll dish that ball either from triple threat or when I’m in the air on my jump shot But I also go down low and post up I like attacking from every where on the court I like using all three levels I like it when guys play physical brand I like the shit talking but these days I boxed out a person barely used any of my strength but he told me I was to physical and I need to calm down So they switched a bigger guy on me I felt him pushing and using more strength So I started using more resistance He got me to the ground and he said you ok I said “ I’m good,keep playing like that” And we ended up having a good battle between us I also had a guy drive right into me So I braced myself took the hit to the chest And he said “Yo WTF,that’s a foul,your always fouling,your to aggressive” Honestly it’s hard to play a pick up game anymore especially at my age I’m use to a more physical game They tend to call fouls for everything Where I don’t call anything But when I get whacked and miss a lay up They say I suck and it’s good defence by them

@jaysouthmusic8230

Жыл бұрын

@@bmwright1991 that’s why when I play basketball I’m the total opposite. I be driving the ball in the lane cause of my height advantage, strength and my speed of blowing by defenders. I was a d rose fan before Steph curry and d rose was in the lane catching bodies before the injuries and you never seen d rose jacking up threes😂like that

@bmwright1991

Жыл бұрын

@@jaysouthmusic8230 bro d rose was half the reason I started using my natural bunnies to catch bodies. I’m not tall like you but I’m long, agile, and quick wit bounce. I remember the first time I caught a body it was the same cock back dunk d rose did on dragic 🤣🤣

This and the Pivot are the two top Podcasts/shows out there. Love Kenyon Martin just spittin FACTS!

THANK YOU SOMEBODY FINALLY SAID IT. Several Players in this modern NBA are afraid to drive to the basket and stand outside shooting 3s even when its obvious that they are not 3 point shooters. (UPPER MANGEMENT ENCOURGES THIS CRAP) instead of drafting or signing big men to rim protect teams rather play wing players at the Pf and Center positions.

@Jony-es3wi

Жыл бұрын

bc we were in a era where gsw was dominant with small ball so teams had to draft players to stop gsw. teams soon will be forced to sign centers to stop joker but the high volume 3 pt shot will never going away bc of curry.

This probably my favorite convo yet. I'm real heavy on the big men playing like big men. Embiid could be so much better than he is. It's the league. The league is so small, how can big guys like Embiid not be so dominant? It's all mental. No reason he's fading on guys 6'5 lol

6:40 What Martin is saying is why the Nuggets have a clear path. Why Jokic, as talented as he is, is allowed to get away with the things he does. Before the problem would be his skill, which can be neutralized, now its his size. Only defense against size is size

@olamideolanrewaju6581

Жыл бұрын

I hope that Zach Edey can prove that narrative now. He was the college POY but because he is 7’4 and slow he is a late 2nd rounder. He is also a Canadian like myself.

@fpbaby8513

Жыл бұрын

@@olamideolanrewaju6581 he’s going back to school, damn shame too. NBA execs will sell their soul for a 17 year old slow European but won’t take a chance on a 7’4 unstoppable scorer who lockdowns the paint on the other end just because he’s slow and rarely shot a jump shot in college.

@Cam71718

Жыл бұрын

@@fpbaby8513why would someone rather have a 7’4 big who can’t do anything outside of the painted area over a 7’5 younger prospect who can do everything on the floor?

@fpbaby8513

Жыл бұрын

@@Cam71718 that comment wasn’t about Wembanyama, it’s obvious why he would be preferred over Edey. This is about the fact that Edey can’t get drafted AT ALL, not that he deserves to be a top pick. There are plenty of weird 7’0+ “experiments” in the league drafted outside the lottery, I’m just wondering why they tend to be European instead of North American.

@terze2226

Жыл бұрын

And that's why he have a problem when he play Howard because he big and physical

Im glad the world is catching up on this. It was so stupid for the whole league to change like the warriors

@International-BlackMan

Жыл бұрын

Bro, now when u go to the park to playing Basketball Ball, everyone and their mamas are jacking up 3's. Smh

@TheCelticD

10 ай бұрын

Someone said if basketball were a video game, the 3-point shot would get nerfed. 3 points in 1 possession is too valuable a shot not to take when a team like GS has Steph and Klay. You have a better chance of winning if you can trade 3s with them, otherwise you'd have to shoot like 60% from the field against them.

@ree3119

10 ай бұрын

@@TheCelticD people say that but never talk about the degree of difficulty of the 3s or shots in general. Every team don't have a backcourt like curry & klay so its not smart to play their game because they're not as good as them at 3s. If you got to make more 2s, do it. Slow the tempo down and get more boards so they have less chances to make a 3. Attack the interior which has always been their weakness

@TheCelticD

10 ай бұрын

​@@ree3119 "If you got to make more 2s do it." No because you can't have a 2-point offense efficient enough to compete with a 3-point offense. That's the point of fighting 3's with 3's. You'd have to be insanely efficient from 2 in order to compete with a 3-point centric offense.

@ree3119

10 ай бұрын

​@@TheCelticD You nitpicked what I said for your point. You make more 2s because its an easier shot than a 3. Does that mean never shoot 3s? No. Though, you don't shoot threes just because the other team is doing it. You play perimeter defense and come up with a gameplan to limit them from 3. Every team has their own identity, and its not Golden State's

Exactly why demar derozan don’t get the praise he deserves

@DaInfantOne

Жыл бұрын

& why he doesn’t have any chips…

@Jack-jx6ln

Жыл бұрын

DeMar doesn't get praised bc he's never won shit

That’s why the splash bros are so special cuz they changed the whole game, and other teams try to emulate but can’t duplicate!

Finally ~ I’ve been saying this to younger fans for a few years. When it comes down to it. Shooting a bunch of threes won’t get it done. Only the Golden State Warriors won with that style of play. Even the way the Spurs played they shot threes, but the offense still initiated in the post. You had Duncan in the post, Kawhi mid range and drive. Parker wasn’t a great 3pt shooter his entire career. Then you add the slashing Gnobli, and a host of role players who played their roles perfectly. I am glad to see Jokic lead the Nuggets. I sincerely hope they go on to be the next dynasty. Make teams adjust to how they play. Bring back the bigs. Balance to the offense.

this is why ja is supposed to be so important , cause he brought hype back to driving , layups, & dunking

@infared12345

Жыл бұрын

Ja knees gonna be shot in a couple years.

@LUMBEEPHENOM2012

Жыл бұрын

@@infared12345😂😂😂

@gx3079

Жыл бұрын

maybe, maybe not. we can speculate but people defy the odds all the time

@roverjohnson6854

Жыл бұрын

The hype never went away

@hooligan5381

Жыл бұрын

driving and layups was definitely Kyrie. Ja made dunking cool again but that was really suppose to be Zion. Zion was suppose to be a face of the league somewhat

What the Celtics failed to prepare for is the adjustments necessary deep into the playoffs when legs get heavy from long tough games and defenses are selling out your shooting will decline. I would have liked to have seen more post ups by Al Horford on switches when he got a mismatch and allowed him to facilitate out of the post.

I like the the smaller back line players part. I remember this season when Bam was guarding Lebron. So Lebron was our 4 and Bam was their 5. Lebron damn near dwarfed bam 😂.

Gotta love Gil he keeps 1000%

Boy once Jayson Tatum learns he can dominate within the paint and mid range and stops relying on 3s he’s going to be unstoppable barring any consistency issues

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

Agree with that. He is a guy who is too in his own head -- or the coaches are too in his head -- about analytics. He hasn't actually been a good mid-range shooter so I kind of get excising those shots, but there is value in simply using that part of the court because it changes defensive coverages. And in the playoffs having a slightly more inelastic offense with less variability is necessary and, specifically in his case, having something you can get to on demand is key. He lets teams off the hook because you just load up to take away the drive and he'll take a contested three.

@thakidfloe

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelahurt exactly it’s weird because a lot of players are playing this way. I’m a fan of Tatum as I am a fan of Booker. They remind me of each other offensively in terms of their capabilities but their philosophy during games couldn’t be more opposite.

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

@@thakidfloe It's just finding the balance. Like Booker to me is so much better now than a year or two ago. Which, yeah, it's the difference between a 24 year old and a 26 year old. He's really starting to understand how to impact games and be a threat for 48 minutes. Hopefully Tatum gets there. He has made the necessary improvements to his game; he has everything he needs. Now it's about figuring out how to organize his game and hit the right button at the right time and dictate the game to his opponent.

@thakidfloe

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelahurt I think people underestimate how young these players really are in their basketball development and take it for granted

Watched some of the last Celtics vs Heat game. I wanted the Heat to win, but even I was blown away by the shot selection. You down 1 point with a low game clock….and they go for the 3 QUICKLY. I didn’t understand none of that. High percentage shots is what you want…least I thought. Or at the very least draw a foul.

Every team needs to shoot 3s to stay competitive bt you gotta have a balanced attack. Just like Miami has Bam and Jimmy getting into the paint while the rest spread the floor

SALUTE @No CHILL GIL AND PEACE TO EVERYONE ON THE PANEL AND CHAT✌🏾💯🕊️👑

Vance Walhberg, Clovis West 3 and Key. Nothing is new teams have been playing 3s because they didn't have great post players. In HS and College specifically JUCO it is easier to recruit guards than 7 fters. So it makes sense to shoot 3s if you don't have a dominant post. But if you have a dominant post, it is much more efficient.

This is a fact. But I've heard Gil say there is more skill now. Most teams play the same way. Shoot 30+ 3s. Analytics have changed the game for the worst in some cases

@JaceEntertainment

Жыл бұрын

It's wack and make 0 sense

@aaronhutchinson885

Жыл бұрын

@@JaceEntertainment almost impossible to watch.

@nalokitten

Жыл бұрын

Also, if everyone plays the same then no one is worth as much. That's what the players don't realize....How much is Caleb Martin making? And where are the Heat? Exactly... I'm not paying anybody above 15 million if they're going to choke so often.

poole himself is affected by that mindset

The issue is that 3s statistics will be associated with dominant teams who will win more. The little man play is not going away, however coaches that can adjust quickly, will be better.

@3:10, I feel you. The high school administrators tell us how to teach. Even though many of them have spent minimal time in the classroom.

The warriors broke the league for a while in terms of style and competition when kd ran over there. Watching Boston have such an obvious physical advantage over the heat and jack up so many 3s all series was hard to watch. Up until golden state's run different teams with different styles all had a chance to win and it was fun to watch. Now watching 6'8 guys with 40" verts jack up 3s isnt it for me.

@TheGoatedOne423

Жыл бұрын

They broke basketball period… go to any gym or outside pickup court in any city and mfs just jacking 3s now

Remember when the Kings owner suggested only getting four men back on defense, while the fifth man cherry picks? Coaching plans definitely can come from upstairs.

This man got a Confidence Coffee shirt already...I need one!

Analytics only works when put in the proper context, but people always try to over generalize and over simplify scenarios to try and make things fit into boxes that don't apply

Love Gil for this! My questions finally answered. Small ball overtime doesn’t work. The bucks play traditional b ball and it works.

More proof that curry really changed basketball. Every team wants their own steph curry. Almost every kid wants to be another steph. Lamelo and trey young perfect examples. After seeing what steph (even Klay) was really made of after 2015, that made the league appreciate the value of the 3 point shot more than ever and made the 3 more fearful than ever so now every team is chasing the 3. Every position on the team is chucking up 3’s vs their natural roles. That’s legendary to me man. Everyone playing golden state basketball

I think the Spurs offense that year that cramped up LBJ and the heat in the playoffs started half this super 3 era, the heat couldnt keep up with their big 3 and the Spurs passed it everywhere and most of the time shot a 3 but everyone thinks is GS who created it all by themselves, just a theory

@matthewcollier9591

Жыл бұрын

Facts them or Dallas with dirk and them

@Abdulcarter21

Жыл бұрын

Actually everyone thinks LBJ running to Miami & recruiting Bosh to team up with D-Wade started the super team era. All 3 players were top 15 in the league the year before. Boston had a big 3 but all players were old and at the end of their careers. None of the Boston players were top 15 players in the NBA when LBJ went to Miami.

@Joker-hc6mq

Жыл бұрын

It actually started way before the spurs but golden state is what stamped it

@saidesimon3144

Жыл бұрын

@@Joker-hc6mq Charles Barkley

@HooksyCollins

Жыл бұрын

Yes but they took quality 3's. Not 3's 5 seconds into the shot clock 10+ times a game. Danny Green had the record at the time and almost all his threes were wide open(NBA wise)

When it comes to the actual games, Gil has some really good insight. When it comes to player comps, goat conversations he be saying some crazy stuff sometimes tho. Would love to see him on TV one day; he deserves a job

This was a great talk . You can dominate with different styles of play with personnel. The warriors changed the game . However , the 3 ball game will die .. and these stretch point toward bigs will have their era .

thisnis why the higher ups phased out Bron (ie allowing guys to reach in foul when he drives) phased out Dwight Howard (stopped calling fouls allowed defensive 3 seconds all came and letting small dudes flop charges to keep him from posting up and phased out Zach Randolph and every ole school prototypical power forwards. Hell the gary peyton Mark Jackson Same Cassell pg post up iso game got phased pout once they allowed zone. it allows guys like steph to not play defense and get picked on on every possession. all this was disguised as analytics

Thanks guys for sharing with us your great show.its always a great feeling to see former professional athletes and other people chilling and sitting around the same table to discuss and debate everything.of course the NBA has a huge problem of copycat league, what they should do to fix it.some players point at the league,the biggest reason why the league is soft, because big men don't want play in the paint, only want shoot 3.well you make a great point Gilbert,cancel the 3 points line . keep it like this guys .much 💕 love and support for you.peace and be smart.

12:00 getting Shaq out of the game just to see Zo come off the bench would just break me. I laughed hard at that parry

good too BJ reppin the Redwoods lacrosse hoodie (PLL)

This is what i've been trying to tell people that say the players are more skilled today. Players are actually less skilled today than back in the day, players are more athletic today and people often confuse that with skill. players are long, quick and able to jump high, but can't even execute a basic post move against a smaller defender. The biggest problem with analytics people is they analyze shots but never analyze who's taking the shots.

@RahGzz90

Жыл бұрын

No they weren’t and U really think u know wat u talking bout is whats funny

@Sha-El

Жыл бұрын

I don't really think there more athletic today, if that were the case they wouldn't be shooting so many threes.

@matthewgilfus1640

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@@RahGzz90 back in the day most players played in the NBA as a side gig, and there was no such thing as "sports medicine" and "sports psychologists". In the offseason those guys worked jobs. These days they get paid so much they can train with trainers, lift, have dieticians, watch film, shooting coaches, dribbling coaches, rebounding coaches, guaranteed healthcare to keep them in shape and take care of sprains, strains, muscle pulls, tears, cramps, personal chefs and trainers, private doctors paid for by the team, full access to gyms 24/7/365, etc. Players nowadays aren't players they are commodities. Bought, sold, and traded based on past performance and potential future value. This even goes all the way down to Jr High. Twelve year olds. If you can ball you get a free ride to a private school.

@Dantana773

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ There's literally a measurement for shot quality that accounts for who takes the shot. You don't even understand what you criticize Players just traded post moves for shooting. It's still a skill. Just a different one.

This convo is exactly why I feel the Nuggets have been the best team in the playoffs.

Thank you Gil I've been saying this about the warriors and those 2000's Suns.

This is the Charles Barkley argument from the KD GSW days. In 2019, Barkley pointed out seven teams shot more threes than GSW. Exclude Houston because they're an anomaly, and that means six teams thought they should shoot more threes than a team with three historically dominant three point shooters.

Same wit demar derozen his game ain’t change at all

This has to be their best segment!

Thank you Gilbert thank you some body has to say it man 🙏🏾 what nobody is talking about or who can really talk the real in the NBA with out getting that hand pushed further up they back side And J.J Reddick says they are doing a horrible job at Selling the rest of the league hill

I laugh so hard when Gil mention about foulin out Shaq but Zo comes in after... 🤣🤣🤣

I’m glad Miko is back doing sports commentary. I missed her and loved her podcast

@savel-oe3lx

Жыл бұрын

Who is she?? I think her sexy tho

@yungsteveo718

Жыл бұрын

@@savel-oe3lx she is the wife of NFL player Brent Grimes. Very knowledgeable about sports

I wanted to come on here and hate cuz of the thumbnail but y’all was straight preaching the whole video 😂😂

The hilarious thing is that league average 3 pt percentage hasn't really changed in 30 years but league average attempts have skyrocketed. This means you have tons of average to below average shooters chucking mire 3s than prime ray allen. I'm talking Terry Rozier taking 8 per game at 32%. Vanvleet taking over 9 at 34%. That's insane. And it's even worse when you consider that most of the increase in 3 pt shots is from guys taking low percentage step back, contested, or super deep 3s. Bur because Steph hits a few step backs from the logo at 45% that must mean its an efficient shot.

Now Gil doesn't even realize he just debunked his own point he made about the old guys being too small for today's game, when all in all, the guys now are too small.....there are no positions..... These teams now would get slaughtered 😂😂😂😂

If u can’t shoot just don’t do it !!!

This is all facts! This conversation needed to be had

2:30 when she’s talking about good coaching it’s like the difference between a cook and a chef. A cook might know how to make a few dishes but only with a few ingredients, a chef looks at the ingredients he has and knows how to make the best thing possible with what he has

Steph isn’t who changed it. It was D’antoni. A mid team using his system can make it far but never gone all the way, of course

@raynel7679

Жыл бұрын

D’antoni didn’t change the 3 that was the warriors D’antoni wanted a fast pace under 8 seconds scoring and D’antoni never won no one copies a loser

@RightousAdversary

Жыл бұрын

@@raynel7679 D’antoni traded his best big man to have more spacing for 3s, it was definitely D’antoni and Morey

@duanepierce5479

Жыл бұрын

D’antoni copied don nelson and neither style was accepted because they didn’t win. Golden state particularly clay and Steph made it acceptable. It was often said the D’antoni style would never win. He didn’t win in phoenix he didn’t win in Houston the stats changed and game changed in 2015. In college the only coach that bought into the 3 was pitino now every coach on every level is trying to shoot you to death

@dontsleeponme7470

Жыл бұрын

Steph is the one who made it seem "plausible" bc of the way he was racking threes. D'antoni tried to mimic it with harden and triangle offense but it wasnt as effective.

Doesn't literally anybody notice that this happens almost everywhere at the highest level? When someone elite does something, others follow. When the Warriors smoked the league and won their title, that's when the league saw it and was like, "This is the new benchmark". You CANNOT play 70's-80's ball today. You'll get RAN off the court. You have to emulate and hone in on what they miss, rinse and repeat. This is like video game speedrunning. Everybody's gunning for the same goal, doing the same thing, just trying it faster. Then, when somebody else discovers a better way, everybody else follows suit. Rinse, and repeat. I find no fault, because it seems like just NOW we're noticing basic human patterns and history? Football, basketball, baseball, darts, swimming, cornhole, volleyball, chess, monopoly, etc. It happens EVERYWHERE all the time. Do you believe in Darwin's theory of evolution? Then you should have a confirmation bias with this phenomenon. Humans follow the most successful humans' blueprint. Simple. This will be the thing until another player or team comes along and changes things up.

@rastheking

Жыл бұрын

Fax because the Rockets still ALMOST won that game 7 against GS, even with the 27 straight missed 3s. Some would argue that was the only possible way to beat that era of the warriors. But i do agree that there needs to be more balance in playstyle. The Lakers won in the bubble because of size and defense. They had the defense this yr, but the only true big they had in rotation was AD; and he's extremely inconsistent with agression

@Ezekial2517

Жыл бұрын

Right but when the Bulls won the championship, not all of the teams in the league force fed their two guard midrange jumpers from the post. They understood that they had a different team and they needed to use what they had available to them to win. The Rockets surrounded Hakeem with shooters. The Jazz pick and rolled you to death. The Knicks kicked your ass. The Pacers ran Reggie through a forest of screens. Until fairly recently, every single team in this era played the same way, like they all had the same players on their team, instead of using the players they had available to them. It’s not a case or evolution. It’s a case of coaching. Coaching has been terrible and the league is to blame. Who in their right mind would go against the grain when you could be fired tomorrow for not playing like everyone else or upsetting your star player so much that he requests a trade?

@a-a-rondavis9438

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​​​@@Ezekial2517But when you have two bigs in the lineup vs the Warriors, you'll lose bar none. It forces other teams to get 3 and D guys who can hopefully keep the shooting down on the Warriors' guards, and then in turn get open 3's on the other end to keep up worh their efficient scoring. The Harden Rockets had a good setup with using the 7 ft center (Capela) as a PNR guy and then run downhill to get a possible lob or pass. The PNR sets up the ball-handler, big man, and one other wing automatically by default, so you have almost every option available at once. The PNR-one-big-man style seemed to be ideal. You're not gonna beat the Warriors at that time unless you played like them and then exploited their weaknesses. If you have 2 bigs who played the post, on the offensive end, a possible 2 isn't as efficient as a possible 3. 3's overcome 2's quickly, and then you need smaller forwards to keep up, especially in transition. Sure, they'll need a big to match the other bigs, but that becomes negligible when it's raining 3's and 2's won't cut it.

Zach Edey is the national player of the year at 7’4” 300lbs and went back to college because they don’t value traditional bigs

I always said this, why there isn’t a team shooting more 2s. Shooting effectively always reign supreme. All those missed 3s going catch up to you eventually

This dude an his crown bro you where never ever that good in &out the league still young, looking like the bootleg Lebron James

@26bigfella

Жыл бұрын

Injuries derailed most of McCants career but you are right he was not a star or even an all star... He was a role player drafted in the 1st round and was undersized but had heart and dog in him... If he never got hurt he would have been a nice 6th man of the year kinda guy

@christopherhaley939

Жыл бұрын

He is not young. He older than lebron he was at unc with Felton and Marvin Williams lol. That was like 04

@MWKDaGoat

Жыл бұрын

I never seen bro name not in FA 😂

@danielchilders8346

Жыл бұрын

chill out lol hoppers respect mccants

@Augrills

Жыл бұрын

I like McCant. He’s the shitheel and gets Gil going

when the camera cut to bro wearing the crown it looked like a 2k cut scene.

This is a real conversation and I’m glad it’s being talked about. But this was a problem since Harden was still on the Rockets - and may be the most egregious at that time. But then Kawhi’s midrange game put him on top. Then Giannis won a championship. GSW had to show defensive chops on top of a fraction of the scoring power they used to have. Jokic and Butler - not exactly shooters - are in the finals. The league is adapting and changing. The league will be fine.

shoutout from humboldt to that redwoods hoodie. watch all the time

That's true..... I'm talking to you, Cs When it come's to style a lot of dynasty teams would not bend rather counter that style. How did the Spurs equalize The Triangle Offense.

Therefore fundamentally mistaken about this: the strategies are made from league averages. 3 point shooting is more efficient on average, just not for the warriors. The 1 thing is, not everytime has average shooting. In orde to have an average, there has to be some percentage that are below that.

Facts that's why I love me some san Antonio you ain't just pulling up and doing that not on pop's watch

Need more real NBA talk like this speaking straight facts

Talk about timing! K Mart's take is well recieved seeing as how Edey just returned to Purdue. National Player of The Year and everything.

This conversation makes me think that the league could possibly revert back to the 2010s type era before every team was chucking up 3s. The Lakers won the chip without the crazy 3 point shooting personnel and played to their strengths. Just like Gil mentioned, a player like Giannis is simply too dominant in the pain. You gotta have a big to guard him

I love that Kenyon said that about U.G. John Wall was saying the same things about my Rockets and real fans saw it. Hopefully with Udoka we get back to actual basketball.

Embiid is 7’1 with a 7’6 wingspan with some of the most special rim protection and 1on1 versatility on defense that is generational and he’s so skilled that he has never once had to do the grimey work of Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman where he’s just been content going 75% with his work on his body/conditioning to be in shape to score 30PPG like Shaq with nothing outside the paint vs double teams where everyone in the stadium knows what’s coming and they still can’t stop his combination of footwork skill in the post/size-strength-touch at the rim-will to put the ball in the hole through contact of doubling and fouling from the two best defensive bigs on the opposing team/ability to be an 80%+ FT shooter through double teams and contact from him being an unstoppable force at the rim on both ends. WHO AT THE END OF THE GAME HITS 3 DAGGER TO THE HEART JUMP SHOTS WHEN TEAMS ARE PLAYING SO FAR OFF HIM IN FEAR OF BEING POSTERIZED FROM A POST-UP/FACE-UP @ THE TOP OF THE KEY-ELBOWS-FORCED TO CATCH IT SHALLOW BY A SMALLER EFFORT DEFENDER/PICK-N-ROLL AS THE ONLY DEFENSIVE OPTION LEFT ASIDE FROM BOX-1 & TRIPLING, WHICH THEN BREAKS THE WILL OF EVERY OPPONENT WHO INSTEAD GETS A LITTLE MORE LIFE EVERY TIME EMBIID HAS TO EXPEND ENERGY TRYING TO PLAY LIKE A GUARD/6’6-6’8 WING

2:30 this is the exact point McCants was tryna make when he said Pop wasn’t a good coach.

Gill really got something against Pj Tucker here 😂

Gotta have that mid range game and presence in the paint ..steph and clay cheat codes you cant remake they game

Gs the only team who won with the “live by the 3, die by the 3” play style but during that 5 year finals run they really lucked up the most besides 19. 15 cavs injuries, 17&18 they added the best scorer in the game who also top 3 shooters along with the other 2 top 3 shooters 😂

Been saying it for a minute now, while some ppl say move the line back. I say get rid of the 3 pt line all together.

I would say on average, the league does not have too many big men that can outright punish smaller teams every possession while just having a small lineup is easier to get open looks due to the fact that there are not too many big men/centers that can defend the perimeter. A new wave of big men that can defend the perimeter/handles/shoot is on the rise

I always love these clips. Host: So there was this basketball thing - Gil, almost launching through the roof: GODDAMMIT YOU TELLIN ME

In the playoffs those twos hit different and maximize every possession oppose to someone who’s letting them fly with 18 seconds left on the shot clock

8:42 he knows what he's talking about. I watched him in quite a few games, and he was small for a big, but he really played bigger than he was. I do miss the inside-first style of play, but I think some balance is finally returning to the game. Everyone saw Denver's third or fourth option Cooper just walk over smaller defenders as if they weren't there. It looked like a joke. Other teams have to build lineups that can respond to that, right?

They’re not lying I want to play ball over the summer and we was playing young fellow, and I think his sister 5v5 pick up game every time I drove to the lane he called ball. I asked why we don’t drive to the range threes only I walked off the court.

Naw I been saying this! As a timberwolve fan ant shoot to many damn 3s! He’s a killer and hope he stays forever but the 3 point shot has messed basketball up like relax on it ! Get the best shot available! Like get better shots ! And also post up more !

Thats what Im saying all these time, like why would copy a Team has the right tool for a certain system and have been perfecting it for years AND expect to win against them

K Mart speaking facts 💯. But it’s less physical to shoot 3’s and that’s the way they’re pushing the game. Very unfortunate. Also big men aren’t really healthy guards last longer.

Great convo.

They all had great points on this one, but I wanted to add something… if you have a team using the strategy to shoot nothing but threes, exactly what is your team going to do against another squad that’s good at defense??? Once they put pressure on your shot attempts, it’s over wit if you keep missing… and these owners and coaches don’t seem to care about the fact that the way professional athletes got good at shooting outside buckets is due to their shooting starting from close range and then once they master the midrange, then they step out the three to then master that… 90% of players can’t even shoot off the hip while under pressure from 25 to 30 feet out and you want to your team to shoot at Will every night as a strategy???? It’s like they’re giving the Warriors a chance to win a couple more rings

A good 3 pt shooter shooting 40% is worth 1.2 pt per shot attempt. A good mid range shooter makes like 50% and it’s only worth 1pt per attempt. Just math. Unless other things come like spacing or you can make 60% from midrange, there’s no point in shooting it.

Rashad made a good point abt culture, AI had everybody tryna spam ankle breakers

“not even dwight” that shit felt so shady😂

Very true! And its sad everybody thinks they are steph or klay etc and because of that its awful to watch an NBA game for fiews years now

Also I think coaching staffs in the NBA should adapt the style of coaching that the NFL has where maybe your head coach is defensive or offensive and your ass head coach is the other Out side of being motivational coach I think most teams would benefit from having A staff that can potentially develop a big if you get one can score a wing or a guard By having a staff dedicated to the development of all positions and an offensive style I think you could improve the IQ of the players a lot faster

The lakers first half of the season showed me you need 3s in this league when we kept losing games because we couldn’t shoot we couldnt make comebacks cause we couldn’t shoot