I'll play both and be twice as happy.

@Kangaroo_NickYT

10 күн бұрын

How dare you enjoy two things you.. you.. criminal!

@Kjetilstorm

10 күн бұрын

@@Kangaroo_NickYT LMAO so true hahha

@DoctorStrange01

10 күн бұрын

That's illegal, it means you have above room temp IQ, unlike 99% of these braindead shilling gaymers.

@jaegybomb

10 күн бұрын

D4 being rushed to stagger its release with PoE2 was probably a good idea all things considered. A lot of people will have a chance to play both.

@kaelinvictus6039

10 күн бұрын

I'm patiently waiting for PoE 2 while dodging the bullet from the pain and agony of D4. More than happy not to suffer the launch of a broken game.

Diablo 4 and Poe 2, are different games to me. They are different enough to be competitors and that's why I play D4 and Poe and will continue to play D4 and Poe2

@SeriousClownLOL

10 күн бұрын

I know people act like you can only like one is so strange to me

@paimog9233

10 күн бұрын

@@SeriousClownLOL if you start playing poe/poe2 you wont be playing D4 because of the amount of content you can do but not on D4

@mattb6646

10 күн бұрын

Brother youve never even played poe2

@mattb6646

10 күн бұрын

​@@SeriousClownLOL you can like both but one is going to inevitably be better, even if only slightly... and in most cases people will play the thing they like best

@SeriousClownLOL

10 күн бұрын

@@paimog9233 I was playing POE when you had to get a email invite to join the beta way before it was popular and I'm not going to do the cyberpunk 2077 and praise POE2 while it's not even out yet

"Frosty, don't clip that" was so funny! It's just always on DM mind now

@mitchelallen7799

10 күн бұрын

I died laughing when he said that 😅

@Sephiroso.

10 күн бұрын

lol it's like his own version of "Pause"

I like how DM is starting to give video edit cue to Frosty 😅

@adiddevil

10 күн бұрын

Shut up

@michaelyearwood

10 күн бұрын

I came here to say that too lmao!!!! Cant wait to see what Frosty does with that.

In addition to the marketing, Diablo 4 is part of a franchise that existed during the nostalgia years of a lot of people who play D4 now. So there is that too.

@adiddevil

10 күн бұрын

Shut up

@mustangmanx

8 күн бұрын

Blizzard is only milking that fan base now. Hence why we have a Diablo sequel with no Diablo now, it'll be 2nd, 3rd or 4th DLC 😂.

@adiddevil

8 күн бұрын

@@mustangmanx shut up

@Swarley218

8 күн бұрын

@@mustangmanx You can only kill Diablo so many times. I'm glad they keep switching up the Antagonist, or else the franchise would have died years ago. The story lines in each game have been great

@Foatizenknechtl

7 күн бұрын

@@Swarley218years ago??? d4 is only 1 year old? wtf are you even saying???? switching up the antagonist is not a thing in a story called "diablo" ....its not called "diablos niece" for a reason.

when poe came to early acess the biggest problem was the lack of content, but the basic machanics were there, and this moved a whole comunity arround it..

@SeriousClownLOL

10 күн бұрын

I remember playing POE in the early days when you had to get a Email invite to the beta, watched it evolve alot

@RJLorran

10 күн бұрын

Alva and expedtion guys are in PoE 2 maybe have this 2 mechanics in . Its more content than D4 at start

@mayssm

10 күн бұрын

D4 was lacking basic functionality when it was released. They've had 12 years since D3...there's really no excuse for the condition D4 was released in. Over a year later, and they are *almost* to the level where the game should have released, but still lack a lot of things and have a lot of issues.

@wildwilie

10 күн бұрын

GGG was a tiny indie company when they released POE. Blizzard was already a billion dollar company when they started developing D4. Vastly different expectations are needed of what should be expected on a games release.

@Deminese2

10 күн бұрын

If we are talking early access poe1 sure but release Poe1 nobody bitched about content because Maps were a gigantic innovation in ARPG endgame at the time. the main issue was desync in the first couple years of poe1. Not content.

One of D4’s biggest issues is the skill twig. It doesn’t need to be as complicated as POE but it can head more towards LE. There are not enough satisfying skills for each class that you can build around. There is a huge lack of diversity and among other things it limits replay ability. POE has a ton of fun skills you can build around and really enhance. Also you can cosmetically change them which helps refresh those skills

@MT-so2mk

9 күн бұрын

I would like to see a season where they remove most restrictions in the skill tree and see how it goes.

@letko6

9 күн бұрын

@@MT-so2mk that’s a great idea too

@totallynottrademarked5279

8 күн бұрын

Honestly every single offensive power that is on gear should be on the damn tree. With only defensive lego powers on gear. I think it is so stupid for your tree to basically never make your character feel better without the lego gear to go with it. Plus classes like Sorc have no way to even scale something like lightning damage. I have just uninstalled because they have no idea what they are doing.

Started D4 this week and I’m going through the campaign, almost level 50 already, and having a blast. I’m not even done with act 1 yet

@Foatizenknechtl

7 күн бұрын

having a blast from what? not becoming relatively stronger or the lack of useful spells and items to really make your own build?

"blasting whirlwind barb with a controller in D3 while taking calls at a call center" legend

I enjoyed D3 at launch, loved running with my Demon Hunter, And path of exile 1 launch was really fun. I'll blame d4's past issues with the previous owners of the Company, since they have been doing a good job. Looking forward to Season 5

im just happy we will get to play both games, and im glad they taking different paths in the ARPG Genre, my game rotation will be D4/Poe2 for a long time

@ThePepe969

9 күн бұрын

D4 doesn't have to be PoE to be fun. It's ok that it's the "casual" ARPG. The issue is it lacks too much to be great. Just the itemization is so boring to me, even D2, a 2000 game has cooler items.

@Foatizenknechtl

7 күн бұрын

@@ThePepe969 it doesnt have to be PoE. but it should be a full game pretty soon. it released over a year ago. lets be real D4 is a terrible joke of activision blizzard trying to milk the nostalgia cow

@ThePepe969

7 күн бұрын

@@Foatizenknechtl idk about that, they're never going to drastically change their systems. I don't want D4 to be PoE either. What I want is the game to have cool items, fun builds, a good balance and an endgame with variety. The issue is, right now all they're doing is go into the powercreep route. Builds are so strong right now that the game becomes piss easy and you don't have to worry about anything.

@taiidaniblues7792

6 күн бұрын

Did they add a party finder to D4 yet? I'm still stunned this always-online game launched without a way to join players in the UI. It's a year later, I am really hoping they added it. Also, the skill tree is dead simple and the difficulty in D4 is that of an idle game or childs game. You can completely shut off your brain and pick random stuff and still get to WT4 at level 50. D4 in no way needs to be POE, but they need to make a cohesive game. Right now D4 just seems like rushed and disjointed systems that are dead simple or don't seem to mesh with any other system in a meaningful way. I am happy many people are enjoying D4 now, but I would also like to enjoy it. And I have trouble enjoying games that feel so half-finished. Campaign was pretty cool though.

The average person and developers. They all have different viewpoints and perspectives of seeing a game. It doesn’t matter which game you actually play as long as you enjoy the game that is the whole principal and perspective of any game within the gaming industry.. thank you for your viewpoint. I appreciate you televising and giving your perspective. Bye for now take care of your friends and family.

Forgot about the hells ink tattoo event for marketing for D4 ! Proudly went myself and was an amazing experience and met some awesome people

was missing the d4 vids, ty dm you da best

Your experience with D3 was my experience with D4 lol. I never understood the hate. I loved D4 since launch.

@marcustietjen6762

10 күн бұрын

Me too brother, I came back after six months and the game is so much better than it was at launch, and I loved it at launch

@Mister_Know_Name

10 күн бұрын

Playing casually increases the enjoyment of the game.

@marcustietjen6762

10 күн бұрын

@@Mister_Know_Name that’s with every game brother, very few games get more fun when you take them too seriously

@webdesigntutz

10 күн бұрын

@@marcustietjen6762the opposite of casual is not “serious”, try again 😂

@vegetasbulge

10 күн бұрын

Everyone here must love drinking Kool-aid

i have tried getting in to poe but i simply cant,it just doesnt feel good,the combat is janky and the main feature that makes an rpg fun,the loot is completly uninteresting in poe,granted d4 isnt amazing in this regard either,but it atleast has it,in poe i never felt excited killing a boss,because the boss would never drop an interesting piece of loot,everything is crafting,and an extremly poorly designed unintuitive crafting system at that,i have mostly been playing grim dawn and now some last epoch,i rly hope poe2 makes loot fun

@Foatizenknechtl

7 күн бұрын

",because the boss would never drop an interesting piece of loot" ...ah yes because diablo 4 ever had interesting loot XD 💀💀

@deenman23

7 күн бұрын

@@Foatizenknechtl like i said,its not by much,but it atleast exists,other games do it much better ofc

@chrisrace744

5 күн бұрын

POE2 wont be as janky. POE1 was pretty mid.

POE talent and gem skill system is just so good. POE always felt clunky compaired to Diablo. If POE2 addressed this, I think it's game over for Diablo. Diablo will remain profitable due to Blizzard legacy copium but POE will be so much better imo.

This hit home for me, I was working at home depot at the time D3 launched and had the exact same experience... even played WW barb too lmao! Funny how much paying attention to the media can impact your enjoyment of a game.

Dm's bigger point about the disconnect between casual & hardcore in terms of gaming discourse is something I WISH more people on the internet would be aware of. It's so easy to take the bait & go down this rabbit hole of thinking that "everybody" has 1 opinion purely bc ppl are naturally wired to hyper fixate on spaces they agree with. But unlike us, Game Devs have complete access to 100% of the picture in terms of how their games perform. & it's never going to ever be in their interest to ever openly speak to or about the casual player bases when said bases do not, will not, &/or never care to get on the internet to see what anyone thinks. They simply buy games. Play games. Enjoy or dislike games. & that's it. & a hard truth the entire internet refuses to believe is that the casual base ALWAYS outnumbers the hardcore. That goes triple when you start talking about mobile btw.

Question, a lot of people are talking about the couch coop of PoE 2 as being awesome, but how does it compare with D4 couch coop ? (haven't really used it so I really don't know).

@Foatizenknechtl

7 күн бұрын

it can only be better.

While he has some good points, he's definitely a GGG fanboy through and through.

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

well yah, its a better studio for ARPG's

@gearzdesign

10 күн бұрын

@@MrJustin1m Is it though? The reason why they react so quick is because it's a "f2p" game. In which I mean that when the league isn't doing as well (which there have been a few where the players really didn't like the league theme) they instantly lose out on MTX transaction chances. Plus they're a small studio in comparison and changes don't require the amount of paperwork and internal approval. In the end, their end goal is profits and income, they just get theirs a different way than others (through stash MTX and the numerous cosmetics). Their income is directly affected by playerbase engagement. Better isn't the word you're looking for, smaller is the word to describe them. End goal for any game studio is the same, "profitability".

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

@@gearzdesign They have to put out a good product or they lose out on mtx sales, like you said. yah there will be leagues that dont resonate with 75% of the player base, but GGG has the passion to try new things and take chances. d4 team is too scared to take a swing at anything that the game is so bland and boring.

@gearzdesign

10 күн бұрын

@@MrJustin1m I agree for the most part, like I said, GGG doesn't have the red tape and approval process of a larger corporation like blizzard. But at the same time, PoE is a niche product, barrier of entry is easy (as it's free) but the walls come up quick with things like stash limitations, organization etc (all handled by mtx) then the in-depth multiple systems that overwhelm most players (which is why most people who try PoE rarely get past act 1). What I'm trying (badly) to say is that each has it's own merits and issues. And the video that DM is reacting to seems to (at least in *this* video as I didn't see the entire original video) glance over the faults of GGG as well.

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

@@gearzdesign oh for sure, poe1 and poe 2 are not and are not going to be perfect products for everyone ever. d4 is new player friendly but I know that the game wont have the same longevity that poe1 has had. It will most likely have the popularity of d3. hold for a few seasons and drop off once blizzard ravages the team for their next project. they are already going the reaper of souls route where they are pay walling customers from content WAY to early in the games life cycle IMO.

POE is cool and all but my god the combat feel bad and watching POE2 it does not feel up to par yet

@Deminese2

10 күн бұрын

you're on some crack if you think poe2 combat doesn't look good.

@marlouabalona5079

7 күн бұрын

poe 2 combat is 1000x more better than d4 already even poe 2 isn't out yet.

Last epoch is also not available on console.

@bewarned8236

10 күн бұрын

Dont think it would matter to be honest. I love LE, but console players only make up like 20-30% pf playerbases on ARPG's (according to devs anyways)

I was part of the beta. I played D3 and Immortal previously. I think the nuance missed about whether they listened to feedback or not depends greatly on whether you came from D3 or D2. The Devs have said they thought the audience for D4 was the D2 players. It is VERY clear that they prioritized the feedback the favored that D2 model over D3 related requests like pets, etc. I did provide a lot of feedback (using a controller on console slowing typing it in). At the end of every dungeon I filled out the survey and wrote 2-5 paragraphs on what I experienced. Over the last year, and especially last couple of seasons, I have seen much of my feedback enacted. Once they took off their D2 colored glasses I think they were better able to adapt to the overall sentiment. They have a ways to go. I still feel lulls in interest... times the grind just feels to grindy.

Your cat just going to town on itself in back 😂

I was a big D4bad guy until season 4. After trying season 4 out i'm fairly positive about d4's future. The game is fun to play now and a lot more good changes coming in season 5. Still no endgame but ... i think more endgame will eventually come. So yeah i'll enjoy both game and be twice as happy.

@JimmyStruthers-lb3sn

10 күн бұрын

Don’t sleep on the expansion either. People forget that diablo 2 was also very bland until LOD came out. I imagine the same thing will be true with D4.

@finschii

10 күн бұрын

Well yeah but now Bli$$ard is now demanding the DLC which feels like a day0 DLC since D4 took a year to not be bad after release

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

@@JimmyStruthers-lb3sn 60 dollar expansion for a boring game isnt a huge selling point tbh.

@PrimalDirective

10 күн бұрын

It's $39 right? Good thing is other features will be free for the base game, just not new area features. I'm not pre ordering though.

@finschii

10 күн бұрын

@@PrimalDirective so it's like 50 for the basegame and another 40 for the DLC which you will have to buy to keep playing seasons. Remember, D4 was bad for a year an now that it's actually enjoyable they want you to spend another 40.

I think PoE2 will be to the genre what Elden Ring was to Soulslike.

@TheMusicolophile

10 күн бұрын

I haven’t seen anything new and groundbreaking but ok.

@LymeGreen04

10 күн бұрын

Elder ring is trash

@dcepshn

10 күн бұрын

@@LymeGreen04u do know now anything u say from this moment on means nothing to no one right? U may as well just type jifsruikbsstilnbfdyjkbfdwyi because it’s all meaningless from now on for the rest of your life.

@LymeGreen04

10 күн бұрын

@dcepshn because your favorite game looks like a muddy and washed out ps3 game with nothing but dodge simulator fights. I think your opinion is nothing but a meta. Crowd follower.

@richardswett755

10 күн бұрын

found the person that says "gross it's raw!" when they see a perfectly cooked steak

I got into that version your talking about of Diablo 4 that was under heavy NDA. Likely due to the thousands of hours I had in D2 but especially D3. I was also in a lot of early testing for WoW expansions over the years as well. They definitely invite players with high play times for Blizzard games.

also, don't forget that in the D4 Beta legendaries were dropping like candy at a parade. so there was that

Hey , whens the IRL video coming ??

Man that mustache is Epic quality!!

YOU ARE AWESOME!❤❤❤

As an avid gamer I'm gonna make time for both

19:06 Please, please, PLEASE FROSTY! Clip that, it will be GLORIOUS! You guys make awesome content, always makes me laugh out loud at LEAST once every video! Both you guys, just keep on keepin' on! ✌

@flyingbacon7897

4 күн бұрын

I forgot, but I have also mention Carbot Annimations!

Glad you told us , "he's friendly", cause I was worried :)

@vegetasbulge

10 күн бұрын

You're playing Diablo 4. No one cares

@Scheckler27

10 күн бұрын

@@vegetasbulge Cool ! I summoned a dummy ! Now go back to your hole !

Nice guy, i watch his content because i like poe2 news because poe2 and D4 are the 2 games i plan on playing the most week to week for a few years . But he is hardcore a D rider fir GGG . His opinion on a vs means less than nothing to me . I just need his news updates .he won't ever be fair about D4 or D3

The problem with comparing D4 with PoE 2 is that PoE 2 is not out yet and never judge a game that hasn't been fully released to the public. We don't know what problems will come with the launch of PoE 2. PoE 2 could be a completely different game and philosophy than D4 and PoE 1 that it could turn away some players. PoE 2 looks like a cool game visually and mechanically but how will it hold up in the endgame/long run? D4 in the meantime is getting a big buff with the expansion. PoE 1 wasn't exactly the best game when it first came out. It took at least 4 years for PoE 1 to be decent enough to maintain a stagnant player base. When PoE 2 was in development, it didn't have D4 in mind, PoE 2 wasn't trying to learn from D4. The developers at GGG had all their inspiration taken from Elden Ring so it could end up being a completely different genre than D4.

@kendement071

10 күн бұрын

I play D4 and will play PoE2. Tribalism in poe community just turns me off.

@JimmyStruthers-lb3sn

10 күн бұрын

People also forget D2 wasn’t that great on release either. It was until the expansion came out that the game really hit its groove and felt complete. I’d imagine the D4 expansion will be similar and it’s going to add tons of new stuff.

@arcc4

10 күн бұрын

Oh the irony of arguing such standards while owning D4. Instead of waiting to see if the game was actually good people just dumped $70+ dollars into a hyper marketed under cooked uninspired double dipping cash grab and then had to basically wait a year for the game to be half decent and oh look just in time for the expansion to paywall all meaningful future updates. But yeah lets not get ahead of ourselves with the free to play PoE2 that can only be financially successful by being good.

@canisinumbra

10 күн бұрын

@@arcc4 PoE2 won’t be free in November.

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

d4 is still hot garbage after "loot reborn"

“Frosty do not clip that”😂😂😂😂

My nit pick, it was shown the enemies had more of a gore system to them, theres now hidden dev diary videos on diablos channel where it showed a as you damaged enemies they would show it by taking on a bloddied appearence , also there was more gore on their demise too. It was a pretty d2 gritty combat feel. But It's one of those things that was cut from the game or never implemented on final release. Guess that's why those dev videos are hidden now?! I think they need to go ahead and implement that at some point. Sure, it's a small detail, but it's the small things that add up . Maybe once the game gets to a state where its full of content and doesnt feel repetitive, we can get that. Bigger demons to fry before that.

When D3 launched I had probably logged something like 20k hours of D2 and I cried with how absolutely trainwreck horrible it was. Then I quit it within like a week and never went back.

@YourStylesGeneric321

10 күн бұрын

here have a cookie

@brianhanson7686

10 күн бұрын

@@YourStylesGeneric321 Thank you, I needed it to wipe away my D3 tears. :P

@draftingish4833

9 күн бұрын

this was me and then like D2R came out with a D3 in a pack on my switch. And you know what I enjoyed it crazy enough.

@piotr3612

9 күн бұрын

Idk I enjoyed D3 on release and I also played a lotttt of D2 lod. I remember beating the game on inferno on week 1 with my buddies. We killed Diablo on inferno as one of the first players and the secret was I had a monk-tank with attack speed so fast there were even no animations anymore and the mobs were perma stunned 😂 My other teammate was a support tank and we had two glass cannons. The mobs one shotted me tho if they got out of the stunlock. Fun times. D3 RoS was okay.

@draftingish4833

8 күн бұрын

@@piotr3612 I can't remember if D3 minions got stronger when more people joined or not?

6:05 yep. same for me. i had so insanely much fun with D3 and the auction house that I didnt go online otherwise for a few weeks. the game was superduper good. better than it was at the end of its lifetime for sure.

Was a tester here in the early-access NDA’d and watermarked build. We knew then it had a slew of issues. Kehjistan was largely unskinned, one-shot builds abound is why Overpower was neutered in the launch, and Ubers dropped like candy. Unfortunately it set in how bad the issues were when I was back on D2R S2 within a week. End game content was the same as launch in just NMDs/Lilith. Hit 100 in two seasons post launch and can’t bring myself to keep it open for more than 30 minutes now. Really looking forward to PoE2 and the slow trog has more of a D2 vibe than D4 was able to pull off.

Can confirm was invited to the very early access - had a code on my screen 100% of the time when playing.

Just as there are widows from diablo 2, widows from poe 1 will also appear after poe 2 is released.

Everyone told them about the flasks, before anyone even played it. It’s pretty obvious to know when something just won’t work.

As a brand new ARPG player, coming off 10 years of League of Legends (i know FmL) D4 hooked me to the genre after blasting on release to level 80 i got burnt like most people did so decided to play LE and had a blast... then played PoE and that was it from a brand new player with no ties to past games PoE is just by far a superior game in every aspect except graphics but poe2 seems like itll get that on par

@Valverde713

10 күн бұрын

Of course a game that's over 10yrs old and has been refined over time is going to outshine 2 brand new games. How people expect games that have only been out for a year to have the content to match a game that's had years and years of content additions over time is ridiculous

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

@@Valverde713 so what do you say to the last epoch comparison? its a smaller indie team that does all their dev work remotely not in a studio.

@Valverde713

10 күн бұрын

@@MrJustin1m last epoch's not a bad game but it's end game is in the same boat as D4s

@MrJustin1m

10 күн бұрын

@Valverde713 yah but they've put out a road map and next cycle early next month comes with a new pinnacle boss. They're more imaginative and responsive to feedback

@PPG87

10 күн бұрын

@@Valverde713 last epoch felt way better than D4. Only place d4 shines is the look and feel of the gameplay they did that great but they have so much money its a given for it to look and feel great. It's the core game that is the issue

titans quest was so good , cant wait for the 2nd one!

I played D3 post RoS over PoE because the UI/UX was better, I like PoE but I prefer having the detailed tooltips and not being told that I was better off creating a new character if I wanted to respec.

The problem with Poe has always been that if you take a break it feels like you have to read an encyclopedia to know what's going on when you come back periodThe problem with Poe is that if you take a break it feels like you have to read an encyclopedia to know what's going on when you come back.

Same for me I have a little over 700 hours in that game,,it was so much better just playing a game now we have to see if it’s worth buying..

19:02 Literally lol'd when asked for Frosty to not clip that. I'm like, Bruh. There are certain word combinations that you just can't say anymore.

Ig Idea: blizzard should add the pot to summon bosses at the worldbosses, but u only can use the styiglan stones. For every stone the World Boss gets +100 Lvls. And for the loot pool should like ervery 100% 2.5-5% more chaance to drope uniques per itemdrop (dont know if thats to much asked for blizzards spaghettti code).That would be sick :)

14:45 Frosty for you.

IIRC, Diablo 4 was announced in 2019. That was the year after the Diablo Immortal announcement fiasco in 2018. Just for the record.

Some can say, "Just play both," but for those of us with limited time, who dont get to play games all day, it's somewhat unrealistic. Many of us will have to choose, and from what I've seen of POE2, I won't be touching D4 much at all once it releases.

@evg3nius

10 күн бұрын

"Some of us don't have time, so I'll play the game that takes 10x amount of time" 👍POE andy logic?

@jonpro9637

10 күн бұрын

@@evg3nius I'll take the game with 10x the amount of content, yes.

@Asag321

10 күн бұрын

Why? I play few weeks on league start in both. Most of the time they don't overlap.

19:04 yep that will get clipped

one of the best parts about last epoch right now, you can use both imputes of mouse/keyboard and controller simultaneously with out fucking with the settings at all. the only time you need mouse an keyboard, is like skill tree stuff, inventory, way points for fast travel, itemfilter , other then that, controller for everything else combat related, even so much that last epoch is the only game that does ground target skills best on controller. no other game does this at all right now on the market, path of exile is working on it though.

Definitely going to try POE2, looks alot different than POE1 and the couch co op will be nice for me and my wife if she decides to play it too. But right now I'm loving D4. Tried POE but it just wasn't fun to me so hopefully POE2 will be good because it looks amazing so far.

Blizzard obviously didn’t pay him enough

As a strictly steam deck only user for pc games, I’ve realized I appreciate the games that come out perfected for the steam deck audience. I love last epoch but 1.0 has been a nightmare and it has me going back to Diablo 4 to get my fix. Po2 looks like its going to come in and sweep

Waiting for the Frosty compilation of ACTUALLY OMEGA

8:00 I was invited :)

doesn't matter how good a class feels to play, if the monsters/bosses are boring trivial PoE and Last epoch will remain the better games

Blizzard has a history of taking player feedback and ignoring them, particularly in the Activision era. Those of us who had alpha or beta access in WoW during that era can attest to that. So, Step 1 for Blizzard is to abandon the outward "F the players" mentality and actually listen to the critical feedback being sent. Whether you're a dev on D4, WoW, Hearthstone... even the mess that is Diablo Immortal, listen to the players when we tell you, en masse, that something doesn't feel right. We might not know exactly how to fix it, but scrapping a crappy system because it feels bad is far better than implementing it anyway. That said, there's nothing there that says we have to choose one of these two to enjoy. I might love PoE2. By that time, I might feel a lot better about D4. Or, hell, I might be enjoying an entirely different game. There's really no way to know for sure right now.

@wildwilie

10 күн бұрын

I honestly think Diablo Immortal was mostly just something to hit the mobile/chinese market to make as much money as possible.

GGG doesn't have shareholders, that could tank the company for having a huge delay after announced. I think they are finally getting to the beta feedback (D4). It feels like they have been given the reigns to control the game now. But POE2 I will try it out at launch Who knows.

I like D4's overworld.

Diablo 3 kicked off with AH being focus, so unless you got the godly drop, breakout the wallet. Also, things hit way harder and was so difficult to make progress.

I played a lot of Diablo 2 and loved D2R when it released but Diablo 3 was always a huge let down for me and I never got really into it. I was super excited for D4 and it just doesn’t have it. I’ll still keep trying to play it as they continue to add new ideas.

Hard agree with you on the point that blizz did listen to feedbacks but was too slow to implement the fixes. It took a while but d4 isn’t bad anymore, it’s d4 mid era already. Give them a bit ….ok give them a while and d4 good will be real.

I love d2 and d3 and POE. I still can’t stand d4. I tried again. Can’t even force myself to make it to end game.

@Crown.A

10 күн бұрын

@@marting.9613 d3 is super easy and was redesigned multiple times but I atleast enjoyed it for what it was and played a few hardcore seasons. It’s definitely boring after a few days.

@wildwilie

10 күн бұрын

To me D4 is what D3 should of been. It would of been fantastic in the early 2010's. But it feels like they just built D4 in a vacuum and terrified of looking at any other arpg's for inspiration or concepts. They only had D3 and thats it.

Im only playing D4 to kill some time till poe2 launches.

I keep repeating this for the past 6 months: the biggest difference is, in PoE 2 there is no open world, unlike D4. I fear an endgame without an open world, because that makes me think will be the same as PoE 1, alone in my hideout opening maps.

@NoobMasterSSS

10 күн бұрын

Yes, I’m not the only one who thinks the same. I played Poe1 and it felt a bit lonely. Chilling in my hideout (it’s cool and all) but just constantly putting maps in the device and running it over and over got old real quick. I want to run around in the open world doing hell tides and other shit. I’m still excited for Poe2, but it’s missing a lot of things that D4 has. In an ideal world we would combine these games into 1 and have a perfect game.

@bernardosilva489

10 күн бұрын

@@NoobMasterSSS y bro, I also think that if PoE 2 had an open world identical to D4 it would be perfect. In that case I would never play D4 again. the graphics, the atmosphere, the music are far superior to D4, the only thing missing is an open world in my opinion. Maybe it would be a way to start exploring and including PvP in PoE 2, through PvP zones, like in D4.

@Deminese2

10 күн бұрын

the open world is one of the worst aspects of D4. the game would be much better without it.

@bernardosilva489

9 күн бұрын

@@Deminese2 people play 1 month and quit leagues because of how much boring the game is as a single player game. There is almost no interaction with the world or other players. Is that a fun online game for you? Opening maps alone and farming a million different materials to craft or trade, boring...

@Deminese2

9 күн бұрын

@@bernardosilva489 No people quit in 1 month because they did everything they wanted to do. Interaction with a world isn't going to extend my playtime in any arpg most people do not give a fuck about some random person helping them in a piss easy event. Also trading is player interaction I've made friends doing so, made stupid jokes, had them compliment my hideout, made deals etc. Also PoE has a group finding board D4 doesn't even facilitate a god damn group board so talking about player interaction is the last thing you want to act like D4 has.

Darth posing with his head 180 degrees from his waist is filling me with anxiety. That avatar is forever cursed to stand in an uncomfortable position, smiling aimlessly at giant materialized text. 10'th layer of hell

Unneccesary comparison... D4 is slowly getting better, I play it 2-3 weeks in between POE1 leagues, play it casually and braindead... thats POE 1... Once POE2 is in my hands, once its out.. D4 might not see me again and there's Last epoch.... POE2's gonna be up there unchallenged

my wife says you need a parrot, a bandana. a wooden leg and say "arrrr show me your booty".. please dont shoot the messenger alright.. i love your videos. lol

I mean, these are great points. Yes, d4 is playable now. But we had three seasons they could have used to build on the game instead of fix it. I’m excited for PoE2 but cautiously optimistic about d4

Yah I had to sign a NDA. on the early access pre alpha lol.

19:09 Frosty is waiting for this moment 😂😂

@adiddevil

10 күн бұрын

Shut up

"frosty please don't clip that" there's no way he won't clip that. 19:02

I'm sorry I've played Diablo 1-4 loved the series but 3-4 was missing so much to me I love Diablo 4 open world the new crafting system is a breath of fresh air but it shouldn't have taking them a full year after release to fix the loot system the part that really drives me crazy that one one talks about is the lackluster classes they are so lazy five classes that's so pathetic the Amazon paladin should have been in the game with so many others, and don't give me that shit Diablo always just have a couple of classes it's 2024 people, I watched POE 2 it's going to take a big shit on the franchise of Diablo as the New King of ARPG's after this.

My D3 experience was much the same - I just played it and wasn't connected to the community.

You also got to remember you are comparing a game that’s been out now for a while to a game that hasn’t even been released yet so obviously Diablo will have some out dated sort of things going on compared to a fresh new release game

Wow you know nice I was one of them I also have well over 3000 hours in D4..

DM,I find it extremely weird that you don't address that Diablo 4 has couch co-op. In the same breath you address how p o e 2 has great co-op but never mention Diablo IV's co-op what the heck?

judging by all sorc nerfs and barb remaining op.. i need PoE2 in my life 😂

Im a busy man so d4

@kendement071

10 күн бұрын

PoE2 looks promising but D4 still is my goto game. Nothing beats nostalgia + casual friendly game as a working dad

No, POE 1 was not poorly received on launch. The game had been in beta and early access for years. POE 1 launched as a relatively robust game with an endgame structure on day 1 and seasonal gameplay mechanics.

If D4 keeps on the path it’s been in recent times, it will go down as one of the best arpg’s of all time.

No plans to buy the D4 expansion so S4 will be my last hoorah for D4. But looking forward to POE 2 and will be blasting.

Tri has a VERY strong speaking presence without being overly assertive, arpg content creators as a whole are humble and awesome. Except path of Mathh, who got banned for being an unhinged person by doing personal attacks on Chris Wilson over the years. It's a shame, he was a great crafter and build developer

Open world what's the point? To fing actually see other players outside of towns! I don't group or guild. But it's still cool to see other people out in the open world and sometimes they invite you to group at world bosses etc. I'll sometimes join then just go your own way after. And then just having to load a little area in other games. Open world is just cooler and think more of these games should do it too. I was playing Last Epoch for awhile but yes I really missed the open world of Diablo 4

He’s right about blizzard not changing things unless player count drops tho, if they were worried about it, they have more money so there’s really no excuse for it, they should be as responsive to feedback as GGG, Diablo 4 would be in a god tier level of they did, more endgame activities, 2 bosses with mechanics as good as Lilith’s or POE bosses per season, fixes in RNG of tempering and Masterwork, a loot filter, and more stash tabs at least double or triple, class balance so that people can play what they want and beat all the content including the hardest content, and again more endgame activities, and more mob diversity, imo

@canisinumbra

10 күн бұрын

And then charge you for tabs or let others do the loot filters.

@67cmaguire

10 күн бұрын

Poe is free bruh what lol

@canisinumbra

10 күн бұрын

@@67cmaguire „Free“.

@wildwilie

10 күн бұрын

@@canisinumbra I put over 300 hours into POE and did almost all end-game content without spending a penny on POE. The only content I didnt do was because I didnt enjoy it and chose to focus on other things. Then I spent 60$ and now have well over a thousand hours in POE. Where D4 would of been 90$ if I were to buy it. Edit: Also any cosmetic/stash tab you bought in POE will be transferred to POE2.

@canisinumbra

10 күн бұрын

@@wildwilie Idc what is transferred. PoE is a mess now.

I enjoyed first few days of diablo 4 better than any game in history. It was so fun getting together with friends and finding dungeons with most mobs. Then blizzard fucks started to nerf them one dungeon after another taking the fun out completely

Hype is pretty arbitrary. What matters is box sales, and post launch revenue streams for a game to be a success.

I like D4 and how they're trying to fix it. But PoE2 will absolutely wipe the floor with them, no doubt in my mind.

@evg3nius

10 күн бұрын

Wipe the floor? Bruh

@deenman23

10 күн бұрын

yeah sure,on steam d4 has a 27k players,poe has 8k,now the funny thing is,poe is free,and 90% of people play d4 on the blizzard launcher not steam,this isnt even a competition lol

@McLolzable

10 күн бұрын

@@deenman23 Hit me up when Poe2 drops.

@deenman23

10 күн бұрын

@@McLolzable what do you think will change when poe2 drops?they are ironicaly making the game more like d4

@Asag321

10 күн бұрын

@@McLolzable People play D4 because its not a PoE. They won't go to PoE 2 and many will play both.

I like how this guy is completely objective :D

I enjoy both. No reason to choose when you have both. They are really different in so many ways and that's a good thing.

@kendement071

10 күн бұрын

PoE devs does not approve. Even they started the D4 bad comment on their exilecon

@jasonrice6966

10 күн бұрын

@@kendement071 you can imagine what that means to me. lol

@canisinumbra

10 күн бұрын

@@kendement071 Yes, they did. Shortly after that they postponed their beta release because their game was in an awful state and they had Necropolis for PoE1.

A game that's not out yet compared to a game that's been out for a yr and is played out🤡🤡🤡🤡

i never made a single video and i got invited to the d4 beta before the early access

@bjacobs4347

10 күн бұрын

what dm is calling the alpha

@rdubs1705

10 күн бұрын

I got into the first alpha as well! I felt like I won the golden ticket 😂

D4 has amazing couch coop on Xbox one