This episode exemplifies why Mick Aston was so crucial to making Time Team successful. He was the grounding force to make sense of the nonsensical and to bring archeological principles to each individual "dig". This episode's team leaders AND Tony Robinson were way off base, as others here have explained. My vote is for "falling down the rabbit hole". P.S. No one says "ritualistic" throughout all of the Time Team episodes more than Dr. Francis Pryor, who I deeply admire and respect.

@mauryhan

2 ай бұрын

I very much agree. I tend not to watch the ones without Mick.

Mark's utter desperation to find meaning in it all was radiating from his entire person.

@Story-Voracious66

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't help reading his demeanour as ADHD. I may well be completely wrong but he reminded me so much of someone else (over 50yo), whom I know has severe ADHD. I can just imagine the tantrum off camera.

Mark is so desperate he resorted into fatshaming the poor guy 😅

@Story-Voracious66

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I noticed that. It made me dislike him .

The way he basically just tossed the skull back in the bucket 🤣

@ricv625

Жыл бұрын

I think it slipped out of his hand as he was placing it back

@rjlchristie

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I noticed that too. The director should have re-shot the scene to maintain some semblance of respect for the artifacts..

I’m working in Iraq watching time team helps me get through the day! Thanks

@keepgoing1973

Жыл бұрын

When time team make a program in Iraq you may well be in it if they dig up your skeleton. Leave a message for Tony with some bone engraving.

@David-wk6md

Жыл бұрын

I'VE HEARD YOU CAN'T PUT A SHOVEL IN IRAQ WITHOUT DIGGING UP AN ARTIFACT.

If this was just a big open hole in the ground, it seems likely that animals and maybe people could have simply fallen in and couldn't get out. It kind of annoys me that an archeologist's first explanation is almost always "ritual" when it's more likely to be just an everyday activity or occurence.

@amandajstar

Жыл бұрын

@@doug871 Doug: You Do live in the 21st century! The natural world was less mitigated and more dangerous in the past.

@mottthehoople693

11 ай бұрын

@@amandajstar lol and people were much more nature savvy...

@dcmhsotaeh

10 ай бұрын

All bad things are rituals of pagans of pre Christian era according to Vatican inspired supported school text books

@muurrarium9460

9 ай бұрын

I agree. Finding your way without any form of lightning is hard enough, so accidents may have happened (or suicides, or murders). And dumping garbage has always been a problem.

Why did a massive grave for a dead pet dog when you can through the body down a pit? Also, as a former cave rescuer, rescuing dogs (and other animals) is very common, so six in 3000 years is not a lot. Also common is removing the bodies of people committing suicide, especially from the bottom of the pits. The last one was from an older man with a degenerative disease and sounds similar to the old lady.

@mottthehoople693

11 ай бұрын

why wouldn't you bury your dog? you some sort of lazy sod? Fact is most people mourn their pets much more than they do family...

Good heavens! There is no way that I would go down into that cave. I give credit to Carenza for braving that narrow cavern. The risks that dedicated archeologists take to unearth history is amazing.

Call me morbid but I always think of that young caver in the us who got himself lodged into a passage with no way out. Horrible end

@KaijuSocial

Жыл бұрын

Basically being buried alive… but doing it yourself….

@componenx

Жыл бұрын

Floyd Collins? He was 37; not all that young, but still...

@cyndybutler7330

Жыл бұрын

I remember that

@libbysevicke-jones3160

Жыл бұрын

It almost happened to my cousin. He got himself stuck in a cave tunnel here in New Zealand. Fortunately he wasn’t on his own, but it was a massive job to get him unstuck, then hours to get him out through the rest of the cave, on a stretcher into the open.

@paulak7963

Жыл бұрын

​@@libbysevicke-jones3160 Wow.. im a kiwi, where was that?

I miss Time Team❣️

@fetus2280

Жыл бұрын

There are new episodes . They started not too long ago . I think they have 3 or 4 ? Time Team official, if not mistaken,l is the channel name here on youtube . If not im sure you can find it if you want some Time Team . Cheers .

@MrLotrecht

Жыл бұрын

me too speciall one person ! RIP Mick Aston - this person was one influencer for me and the choose of my education as an conservationist !

Claustrophobia guarantees no way I would be doing that

@emmaphillips3847

Жыл бұрын

Sooo claustrophobic my goodness. They're braver than me too! Eeek

@johannaholmgren8088

Жыл бұрын

I know right? I'm all about archaeology until I realise I might need to do something requiring small spaces....

I didn't know that Victor was a sculptor as well. Terrific!

@carlosm.devasconcelllos3939

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. It seems easy when you seen somebody who knows how to do. I'm not able to create a small ball of epoxy.

@rg1924

Жыл бұрын

The British host’s way of describing historical sites and events was pure world class entertainment and very insightful

I wonder why the notion of people and animals falling into the hole doesn’t come up. In more modern times, this happens with wells, all the time.

@Pados_music

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if it happens all the time but i am sure it doesn't happen in the same hole.

@mcanta2898

Жыл бұрын

i'm assuming because of the amount. if it were one or two, accidents happen, but at some point they would make a barrier or a warning sign, or just alert other people of the massive hole in the ground, as a known obstacle to avoid. The amount probably makes it difficult to believe that all of them were accidents. Although I think it was mentioned by the bone expert for the dogs

@EeeEee-bm5gx

Жыл бұрын

Well, I actually fell down a disused well by the side of a road four years ago. If someone hadn't seen me the moment I vanished on the spot, I could still be there. And what would you know, there aren't any warning signs around it. What a stupid argument.

@Stroggoii

Жыл бұрын

@@EeeEee-bm5gx Were there dozens of other people down there already? We make long standing legends out of shit that happened twice, people would have at least some sort of folk memory of an accident-prone hole.

@EeeEee-bm5gx

Жыл бұрын

@@Stroggoii leave it there for four hundred years and then take a look. The past stretches a lot longer than your measley lifetime

What if the dogs were thrown in with the humans for some ritualistic reason. But I think the dogs just got in there to eat the stuff thrown in and couldn't get out...

@mcanta2898

Жыл бұрын

or accidentally fell down and could not get out, dogs are still useful after all, but they can't understand warning signs for a big hole in the ground. and as far as the disposal of corpses go, this is pretty useful and effortless.

@phoule76

Жыл бұрын

or thrown down after dying, which is easier than digging a hole

@GovenorMcLovin

Жыл бұрын

I think this is more likely. Dogs are often scavengers after all.

@antonkider7360

Жыл бұрын

​@@phoule76 you have a settlement with dogs for hundreds of years. Dogs die. Why bury them ? Just tose them down the hole.

But please don't bury me Down in that cold cold ground No, I'd druther have 'em cut me up And pass me all around Throw my brain in a hurricane And the blind can have my eyes And the deaf can take both of my ears If they don't mind the size John Prine

@lorilea3188

Жыл бұрын

Give my feet to the footloose Careless, fancy free Give my knees to the needy Don't pull that stuff on me Hand me down my walking cane It's a sin to tell a lie Send my mouth way down south And kiss my ass goodbye ibid

@carlosm.devasconcelllos3939

Жыл бұрын

Good. Really good. As for me, I'd rather be "Buried In a Cape" Not a single word. Just the sound of the wind. birds, bees and flies. Andrew Marlin.

@danielmorris3687

Жыл бұрын

​@@carlosm.devasconcelllos3939 👍Andrew is a great songwriter. Love his work, either with Emily or doing his own thing. ✌️🇨🇦

@danielmorris3687

Жыл бұрын

We lost one of the best 3 years ago when John died. ✌️🇨🇦

@SuperBollus

Жыл бұрын

A JOHN PRINE FAN!!! love it😍

There is no amount of money on this planet that could get me down in a hole like that.

Thanks for posting

Lmfao I got an ad for home meal service right after they cut open the deer bone and he said “Yes sir there was cannibalism here”

Wow... quite brave to go down into the Cave... Crazy...

As for the cannibalism being ritual, the fact that the team seems to have only found a single bone that had been shattered such strongly suggests the motivation was not hunger. The question remains whether this is ritual that is social, or personal - that is, was this a community ritual to appease some god, or the actions of a single person towards a personal goal? If the latter, I could see this being some sort of dark magical act, a way for the perpetrator to assume the strength or other aspect of the victim. The disposal of the corpse in this chthonic way could have been part of that personal power-grabbing ritual, or merely a convenient place to stash the evidence.

What music do you guys use for these docs, its re occurring and what to find it.

Very respectful, very dignified and very informative. Ty

Just a small note, "forensic" means associated with the courts and the law, not just bones.

@mcanta2898

Жыл бұрын

indeed, but it may be used here since the techniques and intent are roughly the same, and there is not a massive amounts of ways one can describe the team without being repetitive. although forensic does not even need to be associated with bones, just a crime.

@EricScoles

Жыл бұрын

Guessing here it's meant to imply that the practitioner can operate at standards sufficient for courts of law. (Whether those are better than those sufficient for peer reviewed journals I leave up to specialists.)

I love to see the crafts, I find it fascinating. could be because I am always making something.

The desperation for a ritual is embarrassing. Why need it that much more sensational when simple finding an Iron Age murder is already amazing? Grasping at straws like that makes it harder to see the true results when the dig is done. Would it be cool to find a ritual location? Of course. But it shouldn't be the first thought.

@thejesterslab

10 ай бұрын

I agree. Simply finding bones is cool enough, like I want to know more about the person with the bone disease

Nutty Putty cave has a time capsule.. we don't have records about these iron age people, but in the year 6000 when they find the poor guy in the cave, they'll know exactly what happened to him.. (assuming the digital data is still available and humans/earth still exists)

I love this guy bahah way to buckled watching this

Mark is really excited, Mick needed to be there to calm him down. Where is Mick anyway?

1:08 they still managed to get him to scuttle off-camera after the introduction, even though they couldn't perform the usual formula inside that cave. i.e. by having him scuttle into shot from the wings or from someplace off in the distance.

I'm currently playing breath of fire 2 and the tune that keeps playing in the background (flute or something 47:40) is the background tune in breath of fire 2. What are the chances? It's driving me nuts.

>what do you see" How tempting to answer "wonderful things", a la Carter at Tut's tomb. '

I hope those bones were replicas used in the filming - he kind of thumped that skull into the box!

I beleive it's been proven that dogs were associsated with death and the "underworld" among many different cultures all over the world. They could have also been sacrifices or to protect any human remains put in the hole. They dodn't seem to be attaching any importance to the presence of the dog remains. ED: OK just noticed that the caption with the Lydney dog figure says that "dogs were symbols of healing throughout the Classical and Celtic worlds". I'd really like to have a copy of the Lydney dog too!

@balderii7340

7 ай бұрын

Dogs were a big help for people, ever since they were domesticated. They helped to hunt, they guarded, they could carry or pull loads, later they herded livestock. There’s a population in (I believe) Siberia, that keep dogs especially to keep their children warm at night. So, a very useful animal indeed. (I’m more a cat person myself) I know what you mean with dogs being related to death… Egypt I believe, maybe Greece… anyway: consider with that, that death was NOT perceived as negative. If anything, people believed it was paradise.

Okay this is an old Time Team episode as the opening graphics and music proves. I have watched every episode of time team available on KZread and watched it originally on UK TV when I live there. What episode of time team is this? I cannot for the life of me find it anywhere else on KZread.

@lewisbuckingham4867

Жыл бұрын

It's "Bone Cave" Series 8 Episode 8, in Alveston, near Bristol

No mystery, all it takes is a couple of ruined harvests and a long winter and the dogs are the first to go the the sick and weak.

0:51 😬🤦‍♂️

i remember this excavation on Discovery Channel yeats ago.....

Was there a severe famine? People eating dogs… and finally eating each other in their desperation for food.

@philh36ify

Жыл бұрын

Eating dog is quite common throughout human history all around the world.

Through the magic of the droods.....

You can see a trackway in the aireal shot from the corner across the field to the cave?? Going diagonally

Even productive landscapes go through periods of drought or flood where food is destroyed and scarce. People do eat other people when they're starving.

Tony's Slim Shady hairdo was just silly.

@lindasue8719

Жыл бұрын

Occasionally his “look“ changes throughout the series because of other TV projects he was working on at the same time.

@johncarmon9528

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he was bruce willis stunt double in the fifth element seems about the same time1996 or 1997 😂😂😂😂

24:03 Just remove the rubble! How hard is this????

Tony is the living embodiment of confirmation bias that scientists try so hard to avoid. (That's part of hosting the show, but he REALLY pushes everyone to say it's ritualistic, when there is basically no evidence for it.)

@zarasbazaar

Жыл бұрын

Mark's a scientist and should know better. He's constantly trying to find confirmation of his preconceived ideas.

@domilontano

Жыл бұрын

@@zarasbazaar After we've obliterated ourselves and alien archaeologists come to Earth and find all of our cell phones... BOOM planetary religious cult.

@JosephJamesScott

Жыл бұрын

Tony is the everyman, he wants simple answers and it's always the experts that push back saying we don't know. Tony is basically the voice of the average viewer. Mark had hopes for something more than a body pit because the site has fallen into his lap and he's never going to get the help and expertise that he's getting for these three days. If he can't prove there's something important about his site he knows he's never going to get funding to research it any further.

@thhseeking

Жыл бұрын

@@zarasbazaar I've never really liked that Mark fellow. He's always looking too excitable. Contrast him with Guy de la Bedoyere, who often quashes their ideas about Roman temples or villas.

6:55 not for all the money in the world.

That bone that was possibly linked to cannabalism, is it not possible that they fed it to the dogs?

@taxiuniversum

Жыл бұрын

Dogs can not split bones like that.

@AdamBechtol

Жыл бұрын

Good idea

@Bolineandhob

10 ай бұрын

It's a good thought but likely we would see evidence of tooth marks that could be matched

Just skip to 4:00 when the program actaully starts!

Getting down now problem coming back up yikes.I wouldn't now in my old age and being claustrophobic.Younger me maybe.

My goodness, the gruesome places you've explored 😮😅

It could all be nothing but accidents with people falling in a hole they didn’t know was there

They fell down. Men would’ve been hunting, women and young individuals would’ve been foraging. The female of the fractured skull fell in the hole head first, bashing in her brain and landed on her face, cracking the skull. The dogs were probably chasing the rats living in the cave and just jumped in after them. It’s a very steep shaft, impossible to get out of without a rope and perhaps a broken leg (falling down feet first, maybe a rock landing on top). The settlement wasn’t close so no one would hear them shout, if they were alive, or if they did, couldn’t find them. I think it’s possible the people eventually figured it out and filled up the shaft themselves.

@AnnaAnna-uc2ff

6 ай бұрын

Cool story, bro.

Sometimes a hole in the ground is just a hole in the ground.

You should give yourself longer than just 3 days

LOL, here is me picturing a group of late iron-age "scientists" proving to each other that *their* ancestors may or may not have eaten human flesh... by splitting a human bone, and discarding it afterwards down the refuse-pit (aka what we now found here).

Dragons, a cave with bones in. Got to be dragons lol

Those fissures are basically holes in dirt and fractured sandstone, they barely qualify as caves.

I put the bones there to appease an ancient demon witch's spirit so she could pass on to the other side and stop consuming the flesh of children in the area so....good job with that

Omg this is nearly as bad as the videos ive seen of people (cavers/divers) whove died because they got trapped and were unrescuable)

It’s just. “A” bone fragment..broken on purpose, maybe. Eaten…it’s a big logic jump…Egyptian people sucked out the brains yet no one says they where eating it.

You have to remember that there was a natural disaster during that period of time and desperate people do what ever it takes to stay alive.

More than any episode I've seen, this one stood for the first time as feeling more (for lack of a better word(s)) "scripted/staged."

I’d say this is remains after eating, human and dog. There is no ritual here, just food scraps.!

execution pit?

I imagine that if anything was eaten the humans ate the dog marrow and the dogs ate the people.

@mermaidmimsy

Жыл бұрын

May of been their version of fast food..

I find it interesting how there’s a church so close to this site. Didn’t the English put churches over sacred Celtic sites?

@rocketman3046

Жыл бұрын

Early Christians built churches and congregations over pagan ritual sites all over Europe. In an effort to convert.

Guy in the hat had finger nails as long as Dracula. Dude, buy some nail clippers! The

@gilliansmith9134

Жыл бұрын

Always found him a bit disgusting

@amandajstar

Жыл бұрын

Ah, it's the beloved Phil Harding. And he has sharp nails because it's useful in fieldwork archeaology. Grow up!

@brendastewart-garden3916

5 ай бұрын

He plays the guitar

E loved is dog!

A dog cult? So they worshipped Scooby Doo?

Mark was right

Desperation... let it go man, let it go.

I never understand why they are always on such a tight schedule. Why not more time. I'd understand that they set a limit of 3 days to find anything and stop if nothing gets found. But once you start finding things, why is the limit not extended?

@huma474

Жыл бұрын

Money and the fact that its private land - it costs a lot of money to keep that many people working for 12 to 16 hours. The engineers securing the cave, the people actually digging above and below, the staff doing the sorting. The owner of that land and those are fields probably also doesn't want people just sitting there digging stuff up at random without a good reason - they destroyed a lot of good topsoil it looked like in their trench digs that had nothing. If there was some sort of major find they might be able to get what was needed to allow it to keep going - hence the strong desire to desperately prove "ritual ritual ritual" even when the evidence just wasn't there. If This was a ritual site then there's likely to be actual grant money provided beyond the few thousand pounds for this exploratory work and protections that would come into play around it. As it stands it looks little more than just a dumping pit by the end because there really wasn't any evidence for what they wanted to prove (which incidentally also helps to sell the show so they can recoup the costs, no one wants to see about digging out a dump). Take the idea of the old person's bone they found - I would find it completely believable that someone who developed a condition like that in their later years might have been shunned by the village and could have been trying to find old carcasses for food before they accidentally fell in and couldn't get back out. There's no hard evidence any which way, its all guessing based on what is found.

@thhseeking

Жыл бұрын

After Time Team finished there was an extra episode where Mick explained this, and that before digging they had to write up a proposal, and fill out a full report when the dig was finished. "History Hit/Odyssey/Chronicle" in swiping Channel 4's Time Team episodes obviously weren't interested in showing that episode, or the one they made explaining geophysics. The "three-day" thing is because they're trying to work through many sites. If they were doing full excavations, they'd spend several years on a single site. They're effectively making "test pits" all over the country. Their reports are handed over to be followed up if and when there's the money for say a University to investigate further. I know that some sites were followed up. It allows some sites to be preserved for future archaeologists. Unfortunately, Channel 4 hasn't released every episode in order. I have a couple of DVDs, but not for all the 20 or so seasons. I did find all of the episodes on the Internet, but I don't know if they're still available. And I don't think that they were legally uploaded. There was even a whole load uploaded to KZread by viewers. Again, not legally. :P

@rockwestfahl

10 ай бұрын

I imagine that in the 31st century, paleo videologists will watch the shows and decide that they used a three day schedule to appease local religious authorities. That “Time Team” represented a cultic order whose goal was to resurrect historic sites on a three day timetable to appease the local vicar.😊

Tony looks like a generic Justin Bieber.

@johannaholmgren8088

Жыл бұрын

You mean a "geriatric" Justin Bieber 😂😂😂

@seanpaula8924

Жыл бұрын

@@johannaholmgren8088 🤣

Handle the bones with respect please 😢

The team say eating..I see marrow extraction..like when we make soap from pigs today. There are many purposes for bone fat.

@pandapower5902

Жыл бұрын

interesting.. but i feel that they could just use animal fat for soap, rather than human bone marrow, unless it was a ritualistic soap or something

@synsrfem4428

Жыл бұрын

​@Panda Power ritualistic soap eh...cult baths.

@richardmiller1345

Жыл бұрын

Just saying…eating people..from one bone. Bit of a jump…and soap is a Bronze Age British ritual potion.

@djb3500

Жыл бұрын

I am sure your average witch throughout the ages could power a spell or two with some human ingredients.

Less than a minute throwing a human skull as is, it's no wonder his staff stopped working with him. (Defiling a corps), yes the interviews are on KZread

@CH3FFI3

Жыл бұрын

who?

@synsrfem4428

Жыл бұрын

You mean Tony? Yeah he's always been bit cringe. The hanger on

I would quite like Time Team if it wasn't for that tosser Baldrick gobbing off all the time.

Where the vegans that disrupted people's meal at restaurants in London recently ? They must be delicious 😄

@MD-pl4ww

Жыл бұрын

about as funny as a fart in an elevator

@carlosm.devasconcelllos3939

Жыл бұрын

​@@MD-pl4ww As a matter of fact i'm here wandering: What would be funny in having your meal with your family interrupted by lefitists intolerants 🤔

@djb3500

Жыл бұрын

Hurr!

No to eating humans gross LOL

B O R I N G ! ! I want my 49 minutes back.

@philh36ify

Жыл бұрын

Should've stopped watching after 5 minutes then ...🤔

@anonthe-third2367

Жыл бұрын

you're not trapped in history class my guy, you don't need to be dismissed.