The Hobbit, a book with the moral "don't be greedy" gets a movie adaptation that's splits one book into THREE long movies with EXTENDED VERSIONS.

@Mediados

3 жыл бұрын

You rather have one or 2 overrushed movies that cut half the story?

@Evielicious

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mediados did you not watch the video? Most of the stuff in the movies was unimportant filler

@Mediados

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evielicious To be honest, i didnt. I just came here to see critical opinions on the Hobbit. I can just enjoy a movie pretty easily. I mean there are things that can really piss you off, but i think the Hobbit trilogy is a masterpiece like LotR. I tend to just ignore small mistakes. Apart from the awkward romance i cant think of anything that bothered me while watching it.

@Mediados

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evielicious I meant a general idea of what people who critizise the movie think. Not one persons opinion.

@Constanza235

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mediados It's bizarre to click on a video, not watch it and go straight to the comment section. The hell man?

That bit where you showed Christopher Lee talking about his motivation . . . that's Christopher Lee in a nutshell. The man has never turned in a bad performance even when he knows he's in something that's total crap because he believed it was what he owed the audience. They paid money to see the film and they deserved to be entertained by something, so even if nobody else cared, he would. He put his all into EVERYTHING he did and worked hard to craft a unique performance for every character he played. God, I miss Christopher Lee.

@blueroninstudios

6 жыл бұрын

We all miss him.

@blakgumshoo

6 жыл бұрын

😢

@OspreySoul

6 жыл бұрын

Well said. I aspire to put as much effort and love into what I do as Lee did.

@xaviermakesart

6 жыл бұрын

Ansem the Wise indeed 👏

@ShellShock794

6 жыл бұрын

He would be proud to read things like this

"Gandalf, she’s married!" has got to be one of the funniest lines, in context, ever read.

@j.calvert3361

Жыл бұрын

When you consider that Gayndalf..... oops 😬

@Pineappolis

Жыл бұрын

...and (this might be the only chance I get to publicly be _this_ much of a Tolkien nerd so I'm taking it), while I 100% don't blame Cate Blanchett for not having read the Silmarillion - for all that I love having _once_ read it, it's almost exactly like reading the Old Testament for fun while actually you're doing it - wizards (or at least what they generally _are)_ and elves absolutely _can_ procreate. Two of Aragorn's ancestors are an elf and a very, _very_ powerful wizard/Sauron-type being. It's so, _so_ petty for it to bother me but it bother me it does.

@fernandounda3681

Жыл бұрын

,I hope you give a chance to How I 'Fixed' The Hobbit edit by Chris Hartwell he improves the vision so much and make it enjoyable

@JasonMatsoukas

Жыл бұрын

I saw the m4 edit and wasn't disappointed. To the contrary, it was awesome. All rubbish removed.

@dynomar11

8 ай бұрын

​@@j.calvert3361wut

The fact that the process of filming these movies brought Ian McKellan to tears will always leave a sour taste in my mouth. I also feel terrible for Peter Jackson, who I’m sure did his best with the extremely rushed timeframe he was given.

@rhythmandblues_alibi

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Viggo Mortensen pointed out the downfall of Peter Jackson was his growing obsession with CGI. Much like the director of another beloved trilogy who also created a thoroughly disappointing prequel trilogy 🙄

@jessiedraco8727

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhythmandblues_alibi extra context for the last sentence?

@rhythmandblues_alibi

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessiedraco8727 George Lucas.

@leinad8894

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhythmandblues_alibi where did viggo say that?

@rhythmandblues_alibi

2 жыл бұрын

@@leinad8894 he was quoted in another LOTR making of video on YT. I'll see if I can link it for you.

I feel...thin...stretched, like...one book adapted into three movies

@lampad4549

5 жыл бұрын

Fun fact the godfather is the same

@woodsplitter3274

5 жыл бұрын

... Like butter over too much bread.

@iwanttobelieve2

5 жыл бұрын

I don't feel so good, Mr stark

@legoguy2554

5 жыл бұрын

Haha Love that

@legoguy2554

5 жыл бұрын

Or like book over too much movie

The worst part is, the Hobbit was such a beautiful book, it was almost like Tolkien said "You don't need a huge issue threatening the entire world or a heroic, selfless always right hero to make a compelling fantasy story"

@eliwiederhold4198

4 жыл бұрын

most newer movies could learn this... everything is about the end the world. Thereby nothing is.

@whalesharko4465

4 жыл бұрын

@@eliwiederhold4198 I know exactly what you mean, you overuse a serious issue and it reverts back to unimportant Give me a character with so many flaws I almost hate them, but give them difficult choices so I can empathize with them, give them a nice arc *NOT FUELED BY ROMANCE* (it's such a cop out for the story and arcs) And cherry on top, make it not the end of the world

@eliwiederhold4198

4 жыл бұрын

@@whalesharko4465 but fanciny graphics fix all problems... sersely good drectures can't be THAT expenive

@whalesharko4465

4 жыл бұрын

@@eliwiederhold4198 unfortunately, good directors are always under pressure to not do anything exciting and make "the audience happy" with the same old shtick, when really the audience wants something very similar to what the director wants

@eliwiederhold4198

4 жыл бұрын

@@whalesharko4465 Then why do they force standers that will just cost them selfs money for, at best, arbray resions?

"Fellowship of the ring is so good it makes me angry" FINALLY someone GETS IT

@JustWasted3HoursHere

2 жыл бұрын

I remember being mostly satisfied with the first installment of this trilogy, feeling it followed the book by about 80% or so. Sadly, the remaining two in the series were a huge letdown.

@wokeil

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustWasted3HoursHere I just finished watching them too and I agree. I do like the two films but the first one is just on a different level

@RobHel

Жыл бұрын

@Nademir yes and no! It's (of course) very well done and entertaining as hell. But there are some critiques to be in my opinion. They way Jackson portrayed the Gollum, Frodo, Sam saga was pretty bad and they left out some pretty cool and/or important parts of the book which led to some weird moments in the 2nd and 3rd part. The way he portrayed Faramir for example, King Theoden and the whole Rohan plot and also the way they chose to use Gimli, Legolas, Mary and Pippin as comedic relief. Which is fine, you could do that comedic relief stuff, absolutely granted but they way they did it was.... meh! But most of my points here are minor ones, so again.. You're kinda right and wrong at the same time.

@limlaith

Жыл бұрын

YES!!

@wheatonna

Жыл бұрын

@@JustWasted3HoursHere Exactly!

I could watch an hour of Benjamin Cumberland crawling around on the floor pretending to be a dragon

@jamierobertson9832

Жыл бұрын

What movie was he in?

@makethisgowhoosh

Жыл бұрын

Didn't he play Shamrock Helms?

@historian8214

Жыл бұрын

Burlington Coatfactory.

@AsherracT

Жыл бұрын

@@jamierobertson9832 The Hobbit movies as Smaug

@blueshit199

Жыл бұрын

between this and his fursona from the Penguins of Madagascar movie I'm beginning to believe that the dude is a furry

the relationship between kili and the elf is soooo wattpad. after knowing each other for like 3 days “it hurts because it was real” GIRL HUH?!

@Flame-rp6yq

3 жыл бұрын

oh, why does the fire burn me? why is water wet? why is air windy? why is the ground hard? ...because it was real

@valandiln.418

3 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of this Kili/Tauriel relatioship... But... Romeo and Juliets timeline also displays a three day period and that is an amazing love story. So time is not of the essence here. It is not the lenght of the love but that they have no connection at all that makes it unbareable. And Maria and Tony from West Side Story only need 24 hours from their first meeting until their demise.

@teddy-1965

3 жыл бұрын

@@valandiln.418 Romeo and Juliet was never intended to be a love story. “Love” plays a role in it, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy about two TEENAGERS, one of whom is shown to be a bit...fickle when it comes to romance. This also applies to West Side Story since its an adaptation of Romeo and Juliet.

@ImGoingSupersonic

3 жыл бұрын

Yea it was extremely cheesy

@troubledwaters7441

2 жыл бұрын

@@valandiln.418 Romeo and Juliet is considered a love story by those who misread and misunderstand it. Point blank. I know it is misunderstood in mainstream media a lot, and misrepresented to be the ultimate love story. It's not, nor is it romantic.

Legolas running on a collapsing bridge is a perfect metaphor for literally the entire thing.

@UTU49

3 жыл бұрын

Is this what you're thinking? --> Both the scene and the whole thing are... Surviving pointless, repetitive dangers without any kind of build of tension, or advancement in character development.

@angieliang8475

3 жыл бұрын

oh what a underrated comment

@YourPalJamieEllis

3 жыл бұрын

@@UTU49 it has the added parallel that, especially in Five Armies, Jackson was in his own words having to frantically lay down track in front of a speeding train. There was such loving and cohesive unity behind the production design serving such a rushed and money-driven approach to actually telling the story, and the stress of having to bridge those worlds and hold it together probably took years off of Jackson's life. It's genuinely saddening.

@UTU49

3 жыл бұрын

@@YourPalJamieEllis Great comment, Jamie.

@linamina3600

3 жыл бұрын

It sounds really stupid, but this was the one thing that made me watch the Hobbit films. I loved the LotR movies but had no interest in watching the Hobbit movies until someone told me about this scene - and I just had to see that.

I will never not laugh at the fact that they had Thorin charging out with the ringwraith theme playing like it's his battle theme.

Having recently watched a fan recut of the Hobbit, I can honestly say, there's a *lot* it does right, in individual scenes. The issue, I think, mainly comes down to a lot of the big action scenes dragging on way too long, and the side-plots being utterly irrelevant, tacked-on, pacing-killers. Pretty much all of the Hobbit's issues come down to poor pacing, and gratuitously long, or utterly unnecessary scenes.

@jefffinkbonner9551

2 жыл бұрын

And the over use of CGI! Felt like watching a video game viewing that trilogy. But those pacing issues are what happens when the studio and producers demand three long movies for nothing other than greed.

@LightSourceTemple

2 жыл бұрын

Cutting out the extra scenes and plot lines actually almost completely fixes the movie

@GustavoIto

2 жыл бұрын

Can you share where to access this recut?

@PMLNavarro

2 жыл бұрын

In other words, A TERRIBLE MOVIE. No, wait - THREE TERRIBLE MOVIES! Based on a beloved SINGLE book!

@cryptic-lemon9755

2 жыл бұрын

@@PMLNavarro nah the films were still great. My only problems with them were the overuse of CGI and pacing but the characters themselves were so lovable and the story itself was so engaging, I can’t NOT like it

"Why does it hurt so much!?" "Because I'M LOSIN' TO A BIRD!"

@VoidHugger

6 жыл бұрын

"Why does it hurt so much!?" "Because you ate the *whole* plate."

@SodaVampire

6 жыл бұрын

Smaug covered in the melted gold: "See how I glitter!"

@LindsayEllisVids

6 жыл бұрын

I've finally found my merch tagline

@Michae89

6 жыл бұрын

This guy deserves some reward ;)

@cookieaddict16

6 жыл бұрын

This comment thread has more gold than Smaug.

"Why does it hurt so much?" Because you asked for no unnecessary love triangles but the writers gave you one anyway

@Sipu97

4 жыл бұрын

Studio. Studio gave them one. Give the discredit where it's due.

@iprobablyforgotsomething

3 жыл бұрын

@Sipu97 -- lol, I like that adaption of the common saying, may have to borrow it for the future.

@normadgarmez7026

3 жыл бұрын

And because it was real

@kelleyceccato7025

3 жыл бұрын

Because they took your rightful Vengeance Kill and gave it to a DUDE!

@emiefa1829

3 жыл бұрын

TRUE

I get why Lindsay Ellis decided to quit, but damn, I miss her. This video essay trilogy is so well made. There aren't many video essays I like enough to rewatch just because I enjoy watching them, but this is my third or fourth time watching this.

@kamranki

Жыл бұрын

You must really hate this Hobbit trilogy so much!

@Endru85x

Жыл бұрын

@@kamranki and you must have no points to defend this movie so that is the best you can write.

@Pineappolis

Жыл бұрын

@@Endru85x You never know, they never said they hate them _too_ much. Could be congratulatory. Seriously, though, the idea that you have to agree with a superbly-crafted and presented video essay to enjoy is just... sad. I _strongly_ disagree with a lot of Lindsay's (and other essayists') takes in her (or their) essays and I've watched them all several times because challenging your own views is far more enriching than simply having them comfortingly confirmed to you and a second or third watch can be worthwhile because your own views can evolve as you consider them. That and you can just miss or misinterpret stuff first time round.

@Endru85x

Жыл бұрын

@@Pineappolis when did i state you have to agree with everything in an essay? My point is that people can like Hobbit movies and i can live with that but i can,t stand those who cannot come up with a single point to defend the movie so the best they think of is considering someone a hater or writing shit like " Hey those movie could have been worse". No shit Sherlock, there are some things i like in Hobbit, does not change the fact there is so much unnecessary stuff and wasted potential.

@Pineappolis

Жыл бұрын

​@@Endru85x [Deep, beleaguered sigh at own, sadly predictable, stupidity] my apologies, the second, “they,” in my comment was supposed to read, “you,” and so the body was intended as a rebuttal of the comment previous to yours - but with a tongue-in-cheek little joke at the start that necessitated it be a reply to yours. Hopefully, with that correction, my comment will make sense on reread. Given how it started, though, this may be optimistic on my part. You really must have wondered what in God's name I was talking about, huh? EDIT: It gets worse - I only now noticed you and the OP were different people so my comment is _still_ wrong. The second, "they," should _actually_ read, "the OP." Also, I guess the following "hate" should now read, "hates." Seriously, to quote Scrubs, I need to replace the Captain of my Brain Ship because he's drunk at the wheel (which is almost impressive considering _I've_ been sober as a judge throughout).

Lindsay: Why does it hurt so much? Pete Jackson: Because it was real.

@histhoryk2648

Жыл бұрын

and then rings of power got released...

@obiwankenobi9141

Жыл бұрын

@@histhoryk2648 With it's complete and utter mediocrity

@tevildo45

Жыл бұрын

The hobbits even worse than rings of power

@Tallorian

Жыл бұрын

It's kinda funny that rings of power actually did more justice to Tolkien's dwarves with their side characters than the hobbit trilogy where dwarves were in the center of the story.

@fernandounda3681

Жыл бұрын

zI hope you give a chance to How I 'Fixed' The Hobbit edit by Chris Hartwell he improves the vision so much and makes it enjoyable

"I don't remember the vfx being terrible...maybe she's over exaggerating" *sees the molten gold scene* "OH SWEET BABY JESUS"

@ReitheOffbeatOtaku

6 жыл бұрын

grixisftw Most of the titular Battle of the Five Armies looks downright plastic; it's amazing that the effects seemed to get worse as the trilogy went along.

@Skip6235

6 жыл бұрын

It because it was extremely rushed and they had nearly run out of budget. I feel really bad for Peter Jackson. He took one of the greatest works of modern fiction, something that should have been unadaptable, and turned it into one of the greatest pieces of cinema in history, and because of that greedy Hollywood studio execs almost killed him by making him make the Hobbit and effectively ending his career. It's infuriating.

@WTFisTingispingis

6 жыл бұрын

grixisftw Not to mention Billy Conoly's CGI double...and all the CGI soldiers. And Legolas on the rocks. Goddamn.

@movieman410

6 жыл бұрын

Still looks better than the cg in crystal skull which I bet she’ll wrongfully give a better rating to

@bennettfender1546

6 жыл бұрын

grixisftw at least Smaug looks great.

I’m beyond saddened we’ll never get del Toro’s whimsical two-part adventure, with nice balance of small scope and dark undertones

@ChristheMad

6 жыл бұрын

Sadder yet, was that his project of a Justice League Dark movie back in 2011 never came to fruition...

@Amitlu

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldnt have liked his pacific rim-esque smaug tho

@TheInflicted

6 жыл бұрын

Amitlu His Smaug would have been Doug Jones wearing plastic horns.

@KeybladeMasterAndy

6 жыл бұрын

Nor his Haunted Mansion movie. Come to think of it, a lot of Del Toros ideas don't get made.

@nickievison1134

6 жыл бұрын

Combined with his determination to complete the Hellboy trilogy.

Thranduil in the book was not a greedy jerk. After Laketown was destroyed, Thranduil went to help them and, after they reached the mountain, only supported the Lakemen’s claim to the treasure. Bard rewarded him richly afterwards, but Bard was the one who got most of the share. And Thranduil was the one who counselled restraint and patience to avoid going to war over gold. Thranduil in the book was interesting to me because he was an antagonist but not a villain.

@JonathanSH

Жыл бұрын

I think he is a good character in the movie. Different for sure, but definitely not a villain. His character makes sense with the context of the jackson movies and demonstrates the growing distrust between dwarves and elves

@DeepikaGinger

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanSH I’m glad that the character works for you, but I personally am not a fan of how he’s portrayed. The thing is, I think Peter Jackson rather went out of his way to portray him as unlikable in the films. We see him show classism within his own community, and not be very well-liked by his own people. There’s also his relationship with Legolas that seems to have little warmth, and we see Tauriel criticising his every move, in a way that indicates that he’s a selfish and ineffective ruler. His antagonism with the dwarves is understandable based on their history, as is his decision to not fight the dragon, but him not doing anything to help the refugees is cruel in any context, and a rather large deviation from the book, because he treated even his prisoners well. We also literally have him inform Bard that he’s not helping his people for their sake. In the book, I feel that the mutual distrust between the races was portrayed well, since Thranduil thought that the dwarves possibly meant his people harm when they approached them, especially since they refused to divulge their purpose in coming there, and the dwarves didn’t want to tell the elves anything about their quest and weren’t very polite either. But, they never harmed each other, and neither side was eager to go to war with the other either.

@JonathanSH

Жыл бұрын

I see where you are coming from. I agree he should treat his own people better, considering he is supposed to be strongly nationalist. Thats what I like about him in the movie. The growing evil in the mirkwood has made him distrustful and bitter to outsiders, and he is only concerned for the wellbeing of his kin. I think he would be a more consistent and understandable character if he was more caring for his people. I understand why you would want him to be a better person tho. He is definitely a strongly flawed character

@DeepikaGinger

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanSH Exactly. I wouldn’t have loved it, but I’d have found it a bit more redeemable if he’d been portrayed as a concerned ruler towards his own people, at least. But, he was shown to be willing to go to war for the sake of some jewels, so he obviously didn’t value their lives too much. He wasn’t doing it for the sake of the people of Laketown either, while, in the book, he was pretty reluctant to wage war over treasure.

@Tallorian

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Some lines by Lindsay made me think that she either didn't remember the book too well, or didn't understand certain parts or characters. But hey, many characters had it even worse in the movie, starting with Thorin.

“LOTR is so good it makes me angry” I never had words to express my feelings until today

@reek4062

4 ай бұрын

Hahaha. The ''lotr'' movies are embarrassing and disrespectful.

@user-qv2mc3dw5o

2 ай бұрын

@@reek4062 this is a 2-year old comment, also don’t just laugh at other peoples’ opinions- there are a lot of perfectly valid reasons why someone might like the lotr films beside their mixed level of accuracy to the book.

“I wish I had as much fun at anything in my life as Cumberbatch does playing Smaug.” ...yeah, me too.

@MrPiccoloku

4 жыл бұрын

He looks and sounds so adorable when he's having that much fun!

@sopota6469

4 жыл бұрын

@Coley Durham a lot of people feel miserable even in high paying jobs. Money isn't everything.

@HamsterPants522

4 жыл бұрын

@Coley Durham I've been happier when I'm not getting payed than when I am. And furthermore, amassing wealth has never been synonymous with finding happiness. That's something most people won't do, rich or not.

@gmoddude12

4 жыл бұрын

@@HamsterPants522 money is probably the main reason my life is in shambles im challenged enough that a regular job doesent work and is stuck waiting for official help to figure out what the hell we do i barely have money to pay all my bills having to try and keep from eating for as long as possible before it starts to hurt just so i can fit what i have left into a month and the list goes on so yeah i would say money can really make some people happy and is pretty damn important if you want a slightly nice life

@HamsterPants522

4 жыл бұрын

@@gmoddude12 I empathize with your situation. I've been broke and homeless before, but what makes a person happy is all a matter of what their values are. One could be happy living on the streets, or surviving in the woods, and one could be miserable and suicidal while living a comfortable life in a nice house.

"Gandalf she's married!" still remains one of my favorite quotes from Lindsay

@ryanwalters5290

3 жыл бұрын

@Foxglove Nope, your friend is right. Galadriel and Gandalf have a *huge* amount of respect for one another and are definitely friends, but their relationship was never romantic in the slightest. Just like your friend said, very old friends with a great deal of respect for one another. Edit: And the thing about Galadriel being married, I have a really hard time believing that Tolkien, a devout Catholic, would ever write one of the most morally good characters in his entire mythos as going behind her husband's back.

@willgriffin5647

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanwalters5290 I've noticed them giving each other looks even lotr. I never got anything sexual from it though, Idk what I'm missing that other people are seeing.

@jeroenvangils9034

3 жыл бұрын

@@willgriffin5647 There was not a scene where Gandalf met Galadriel in Lord of the Rings as I recall it. Don't be hasty master Griffin.

@willgriffin5647

3 жыл бұрын

You right, i thought she was in Rivendell during fellowship for some reason.

@valkeakirahvi

3 жыл бұрын

"If only wizards and elves could procreate" They can. In fact the great great grandma of Elrond was a Maia.

I loves this content. I do take serious issue with saying that Tolkien didn’t really care about Boromir. The fellowship and his family all mourn him multiple chapters, and Boromir is crucially important to understanding the power of the ring and the danger it represents. He cared very much about Boromir.

OK, when I saw Spock sing about Bilbo, for a moment I thought I was on drugs. Then I remember I don't do drugs. Then I thought, "yeah but maybe I'm on a drug that makes me forget I take drugs". Then my brain crashed, rebooted and I continued watching.

@blankblank2370

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah those were the drugs talking.

@rootbeer4888

2 жыл бұрын

You should prolly try drugs.

@goodpeopleoftheworldunite

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it wasn't a great film was it. 😐

@LightSourceTemple

2 жыл бұрын

I'm on drugs

Seeing how enthusiastic Smaug is about gold and has built in fire breathing, one would suspect he would know melting point of his favourite thing.

@colinliddle6000

3 жыл бұрын

Dragonfire can't melt gold beams.

@edwardo1018

3 жыл бұрын

That's not the issue with this movies IMO

@eloquentwizard7492

2 жыл бұрын

Your mom knows

@TheBlackLobo

2 жыл бұрын

watch me dazzle like a diamond in the rough

@byuftbl

2 жыл бұрын

It was middle earth they didn’t have Google to look it up 😂😂

I remember Smaug's voice shaking the entire theater and being so blown away by the audio mixing in that part.

@templarw20

2 жыл бұрын

What I remember about audio mixing was the Goblin King scenes in the first, and having to strain to hear half the dialogue, and having the other half attempting to blow out my ear drums. The sound mixing was physically painful...

@flo8517

Жыл бұрын

@@templarw20 then you were in a shit cinema

@austins.2495

Жыл бұрын

@@templarw20 snowflakes melt easily, don’t they?

@madcapmakov2

Жыл бұрын

Peter Jackson was good at his sound mixing

@NioFiota

Жыл бұрын

@@austins.2495 What's your point? That comment was made a year ago

i feel like the hobbit would work really well as a series, with its episodic nature

@nmd1120

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I've actually been working on a fan-edit that turns the trilogy into several episodes (around 45 mins each)

@a_bagle

Жыл бұрын

@@nmd1120 Sounds interesting. Where can I find it when they are complete?

@nmd1120

Жыл бұрын

@@a_bagle not sure yet, I'm hoping to be done with them by next fall/winter. I'll post a trailer on my channel with the info once I figure it out and I'm ready!

@a_bagle

Жыл бұрын

@@nmd1120 Thx

@ramseykeilani9569

8 ай бұрын

Maybe like an 8-episode miniseries, each episode being about 30 mins? 1) Dinner at Bilbo's he joins the company 2) Trolls 3) Rivendell 4) Misty Mountains 5) Spiders, capture, barrels 6) Laketown, meeting Smaug 7) Death of Smaug, arrival of the relevant armies 8) Battle of 5 armies, denouement Collectively it's about 4 hrs of screen time, which feels about right, and each episode is itself a somewhat self contained story (though maybe ep 7 is a bit clunky, but that's inevitable for any episode that's mostly about setting things up for the finale) As for episode names, just use selected chapters of the book (though it wont be 1:1 since the book has 19 chapters many of which can be easily pushed together for an 8 episode series) An Unexpected Party, Roast Mutton, A Short Rest, Riddles in the Dark, Flies and Spiders, On the Doorstep, Fire and Water, The Clouds Burst, in that order

19:02 "Are dwarves heat resistant?" I thought this same thing when recently rewatched the Hobbit movies. But, since then I had watched a video about the history and legacy of dwarves in Tolkien's legendarium, and they do actually have a resistance to heat, as well as the cold.

@reneedailey1696

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!! Of the peoples of Middle Earth Dwarves were hardiest against fire.

@nshtghattas7944

2 жыл бұрын

Well, for dwarves that spend 90% of their lives blacksmithing in super hot environments, you would think that they develop a resistance to heat (The forges of Erebor must ATLEAST be half as hot as smaug's fire breath)

@lemmonboy6459

2 жыл бұрын

A tad bit of set up would’ve been nice though, like them being very carefree with their fires or something

@Hehe-ss8bj

2 жыл бұрын

They have the hardest resistance to almost anything, when aule created them he thought of Morgoth and wanted them to be as resistant to anything as possible

@robaerto71

2 жыл бұрын

..and imagine how powerful it would have been if they had used to build more tension by burning their clothes but letting the dwarves endure the threat! I still can not believe how messed up "The Hobbit" was!

For me the CGI was the most irredeemable part. LOTR looked realistic and used the natural beauty of New Zealand, The Hobbit used CGI so much that it was almost an animated movie.... Even the characters played by real actors like the dwarves appeared animated

@jaquitavulpix3418

3 жыл бұрын

The goofy, cartoony tone of those CGI-action scenes didn't make it better.

@jjj7790

3 жыл бұрын

It's incredibly sad that the tension in the movie is so pitiful with million dollars of CGI, when they basically made the scariest scene in the trilogy back in 2001 just by filming in the woods with a costumed dude on horseback.

@MrMarinus18

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the CGI is far too pretty. In LOTR also partially because of technical limitations it looks rough and dirty which makes it blend in far better. Also a lot of things are purely CGI. In the original LOTR while things like the massive army of Rohirrim was CGI almost all the close-up shots and tracking shots were actors. Even some of the shots of the Mumakill were models and puppets. My biggest issue is towards the end where I usually lose track. Just what is happening, where are the shots, who is where. It just becomes a blur. It does make me appreciate just how well cut and directed the battle of Minas Tirith truly is. There is just as much stuff going on at once and I never feel lost or confused.

@nachoooooo800

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed... EVERYThing was FUZZy, so much cgi fuzz

@nifralo2752

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah its very George Lucas

Even if you hadn't read The Lord of the Rings, you knew Boromir had to die, since he was played by Sean Bean.

@mihlejonas3625

3 жыл бұрын

True

@tripledigit4835

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone who thought Eddard Stark was going to survive is actually dumb as fuck. It’s Sean Bean, he always dies.

@unfathomable3434

2 жыл бұрын

He died in oblivion,when he was an emporer.

@ppk4766

2 жыл бұрын

@@unfathomable3434 which was also a part of another iconic epic fantasy (The Elder Scroll)

@unfathomable3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@ppk4766 yeah. In short Sean bean does not have luck with ruling fantasy lands

After rewatching the goblin town scenes, particularly the dwarves escape with Gandalf, I became convinced that the entire hobbit trilogy was just someone making a live action Lego game. A lot of the hijinks and methods the dwarves use and the situations they get put in (the rock Gandalf splits from the ceiling and rolls to crush rocks, the dwarves using the pole, and the warg chase earlier) just feel like a mini objective from Lego games.

@samueldimmock694

2 жыл бұрын

Well, they did make a LEGO video game based on the movies, so you might not be that wrong. I own that game and have never finished it for some reason.

@JustSomeDude42

2 жыл бұрын

@@samueldimmock694 I’d say don’t cause they never finished the series. I think they dropped it after the first movie.

@samueldimmock694

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustSomeDude42 Well, the first movie was the best, after all. But thanks for the advice.

This is great but 20:42 - 21:50 "Gandalf she's married" comment had me almost crying from holding in my laughter while trying to be politely quiet. I am really enjoying this

Rumor has it that most of the money spent on turning Benedict Cumberbach into a dragon was *_actually_* the money they had to pay to convince him to become human again afterwards.

@crazytuffandco.

6 жыл бұрын

Tzisorey Tigerwuf hahaha

@Nukestarmaster

6 жыл бұрын

Always be yourself; unless you can be a dragon, then always be a dragon.

@tzisorey

6 жыл бұрын

No argument here ;)

@NinjaGamr64

6 жыл бұрын

You sir win the internet!

@voidishprattles4319

6 жыл бұрын

"Ben youre not Smog please stop making a horde of loose change in the bathtub and get some dinner"

As an 13 year old growing up in Wellington, New Zealand LOTR changed my entire life, and my country. I met Peter Jackson on the red carpet and he was so kind to me, I cried during ROTK, knowing it was over, I did all the Hobbit tours, went to Hobbiton, I made friends with people from all over the world who only came because to New Zealand because of LOTR. Seeing these changes in my country made me want to get into film. 10 years later my dream came true, I got to work on all the Hobbit movies. But this childhood dream of creating worlds, basically turned into my grown up stressful work life, and this dream movie, The Hobbit, turned from 2 movies to 3 and it was never going to be the movie I had in my head. I was a tiny cog in a huge machine with no power over anything, and I could never distance myself from it. As much as these films weren't what I wanted, they still carved who I am now. So thank you for this, this made me cry, maybe I can find home again, it's been 5 years, maybe should re-watch over Easter! Enjoy New Zealand xx

@Juxtaposedjoker

6 жыл бұрын

*hugs*

The montage of all of the things added to the Hobbit literally made me fall out of my chair laughing. The Galadriel & Gandalf hints were just SENDING ME.

Tauriel: "Why does it hurts so much?" *Because it wasn't canon!*

TBH, the only thing I remember from these movies is that people legit shipped Smaug and _Bilbo_ because of Johnlock.

@ryanahr2267

3 жыл бұрын

Welp, I've officially found something worse than Anakin/Chewbacca and the Snape/Hermione (like, first year Hermione) fan fics from back in the day. Jesus Christ.

@TheBrassGeologist

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanahr2267 seriously?? Gross

@ryanahr2267

3 жыл бұрын

@Bookworm12 The internet is weird now, but back in the early and mid '00s it was fucking Mad Max.

@beatrizreny5228

3 жыл бұрын

That’s so fucking gross

@alexandrapedersen829

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, as monstrous reptiles go, Smaug is kind of a daddy.

Hobbit Film Fans: "NOOO, THE NECROMANCER WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE SAURON!!¡! Tolkien: "lol I just needed Gandalf to fuck off"

@ryancorrell6895

3 жыл бұрын

hate to say it but The Necromancer is Sauron. The Hobbit was originally not part of the larger mythos, but Tolkien would sort of work backwards and changed a lot of The Hobbit after writing the Lord of the Rings to make it all fit together. Though Tolkien used the Necromancer as a plot device so Gandalf could fuck off (and also create the sense of Gandalf's greater importance beyond the Thorin mission), it was indeed later revealed by Tolkien himself that the Necromancer was indeed Sauron. This change was not added to The Hobbit text though, but had been noted by the man himself several times, first in the appendices found in The Return of the King, as well as in letters he wrote to others when delving into the details of Middle Earth.

@Tarkus_H

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryancorrell6895 My memory might be mistaken, but in the Fellowship book, Gandalf revealed at the council of Elrond that the Necromancer was Sauron, didn't he?

@chungbertflabbergast5995

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tarkus_H You are correct! Sauron being the Necromancer is, indeed, revealed during Fellowship. However, I believe the point is more that this was not Tolkien's original intent when writing The Hobbit, not that it wasn't originating with Tolkien at all. Whether that distinction is relevant is, I suppose, a matter of opinion.

@ryancorrell6895

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tarkus_H sounds legit. I know he mentioned it in at least two places so the OP was mistaken

@Its2EZbaby

3 жыл бұрын

Yikes... sounds like someone needs to reread the books.. because in this case, the Hobbit film fans are the right ones lmao. Tolkein might’ve needed a reason for Gandalf to leave, but this developed into the necromancer actually being Sauron. That is a literal plot point for lotr lore. It’s an indisputable fact, and just shows that lotr film fanboys just like to beat up on the hobbit films and jump on the bandwagon lollll. This comment is embarrassing

I've honestly lost track how many times I've watched this docu-series. It's so well done and really illustrates how "just a movie" can have such massive real life consequences.

This made me laugh lol. Especially the part about bilbo rushing an orc like a linebacker. He’s not a linebacker he’s a hobbit (chuckles through a short commercial) he’s the hobbit lmao 😂

"Bilbo's not a linebacker. He's a Hobbit. He's THE Hobbit." "MIGRAINE" Perfect advert timing...

@crimsondynamo615

3 жыл бұрын

If anything it wouldn’t push that Orc dude to the ground. It would be more like getting a tackle hug from a child.

@spencerfalzy

3 жыл бұрын

@@crimsondynamo615 I really wish he at least stabbed the bastard... makes no sense ugh. Or perhaps just get in front of him, to stall for time while the bad guy monologues...

"Is this two or three? Oh, it's three is it? It's three. There you go. It's that easy to be confused." Orlando, telling it like it is 😂😂

@fallingpetunias9046

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder what his film schedule was. Did they film all of his scenes for all the movies together? Or was he just not sure when they'd call him back or how often? He seemed not to care either way.

@neptuneplaneptune3367

3 жыл бұрын

One line and it tells how not even the actors liked this. I mean he even know how many movies doing because the thing is SUCH a mess!

@rileyosteen6470

3 жыл бұрын

@@neptuneplaneptune3367 The implication to me is he wasn't aware what movie the scene they were filming was going to be in, not how many movies there were going to be. Not a huge deal, just figured I'd point it out regardless.

@cyprel

3 жыл бұрын

Not really *that* telling though, in my opinion. Movie schedules are notoriously chaotic, and it is not uncommon with trilogies to film multiple movies at the same time. I don't think it's that uncommon for actors to be confused about where exactly in the story the current scene is supposed to fit.

@mcihay246

3 жыл бұрын

@lennon 41 Nice opinion... But I'd rather put all three LotR films into one. Therefore the intro and the ending is consistent in length with the entirety. Besides, Two Towers isn't terrible as long as it is relative to the trilogy. -Frodo understanding Smeagle which plays into why Frodo chooses Gollum over Sam. -Samwise's ending speech to his suffering friend, which makes things hurt when he's told to leave before Shelob's Lair. -Introduction of Faramir, and the family dynamics between him, his brother and his father. -Fate playing a part through Gandalf, how he cannot die until his purpose of instilling hope is complete. -Legolas and Gimli, their friendship and rivalry growing despite being opposing races. -Aragorn's true leadership for man showing, and not just for those of his allies in the Fellowship. -Merry and Pippin, showing the simplicity of the Hobbit race. Known to be a race that's smart yet very simple. Making it even more understandable in how the Ring has a harder time corrupting them. -Saruman's betrayal of more than just joining Sauron, but by going against the purpose given to him just like all the other wizards of Middle Earth. The ents showing the consequences of his folly. Which also plays a part in why the Eagles will no doubt help Gandalf when needed. -Theodin being a great and flawed king of the common man who's worth following. -Also, Orc/Uruk-hai/Goblin tactics are first shown here in the Battle of Helm's Deep. How they rely on a battle of attrition to compensate for their lack of intelligence and discipline. This is further expanded later, in how they also rely on instilling despair among their enemies... In which makes Gandalf's role as a harbinger of hope even more prevalent. So I'd have to disagree that The Two Towers is a terrible film. Because in the end, it still plays an imperative role to the entire narrative of the trilogy.

Omg that ending at the airport. I know it's supposed to be a comedic bit, but that almost got me legit teary eyed. I can't watch anything with that hobbit theme without feeling the emotional weight behind the score.

I think they made Azog the defender a bigger deal than Smaug… the literal point of the entire book.

@Janzer_

Жыл бұрын

which makes no sense BECAUSE HE WAS DEAD

@luthientinuviel3883

11 ай бұрын

It was really disapointing tbh bc I love Smaug hes such a fun villain, he's just a greedy bitch and I love him for it

Sweet Christ I had forgotten just how GOOD Christopher Lee's voice was.

@velvet_victor

6 жыл бұрын

Everything about him is awesome.

@tompor561

6 жыл бұрын

Too bad we will never hear it again in the future :(

@hellformichelle

4 жыл бұрын

Commenting a year late to say for anyone who might stumble upon it: there is an amazing version of Lee reading Poes Raven. I regularly go back to that and listen to it thinking about what an amazing man Christopher Lee was and how much he is missed.

@donblosser8720

2 жыл бұрын

Why doe people have to swear in the name of Jesus or Christ? Suggestion- just for fun, spend a month swearing in Muhammad's name. On a summer vacation in Saudi Arabia.

@angryyogbuscus1578

2 жыл бұрын

@@donblosser8720 que?

"that's....ugh...that's the ring wraith theme" *cries in nerd

@amandarichardson4181

4 жыл бұрын

Things mean things

@ikeeek6214

4 жыл бұрын

I actually liked that detail, despite not liking the movie overall, since I could see a parralel between Thorin and the Ring Wraiths, both were good once but corrupted by greed and lust for power. I thought it was a nice touch.

@swishfish8858

4 жыл бұрын

@@ikeeek6214 Shush, no liking anything about The Hobbit. Bad dog.

@ikeeek6214

4 жыл бұрын

@@swishfish8858 Awww, I'm sorry

@benschmitt7035

4 жыл бұрын

@@ikeeek6214 agreed, but it really didnt fit in that moment

Like my 5th time coming back to this video essay trilogy and the "why does it hurt so much" gag still makes me laugh

The fleshed out Boromir and the way Aragorn responded to it also allowed Aragorn to step into his role without the "hey everyone, Aragorn is this book's Jesus stand in" exposition from the book

@thanoseid2883

Жыл бұрын

i honestly prefer movie Aragorn to book Aragorn. maybe because they fleshed out his story.

@Pineappolis

Жыл бұрын

@@thanoseid2883 Me too... sort of. Tolkien's prose is so damn glorious that you really buy into his descriptions, especially if you read them young. I remember thinking Prince Imrahil was an awesome character but could I tell you one damn thing he said or did (besides be in the vanguard of the sally forth onto the Pelennor Fields, which, fair play but so were a lot of other people)? No, but Tolkien's words _are_ spell-binding. If they'd adapted Tolkien's Aragorn straight onto film without fleshing him out and without being cloaked in the images Tolkien could paint with words (contrast with that shambles of a metaphor), there'd have been nothing to him, while Jackson and co.'s Aragorn is every bit as memorable a character as Sam, the real beating heart of the novel, and Viggo Mortensen's portrayal of him is _staggeringly_ brilliant.

On the subject of Atticus, I think half of the reason so many people liked him is because...Consider when the book came out. 1960. Smack dab in the middle of the Civil Rights era. Speaking as someone who lives in the South, we've always been kinda..apart from the rest of the country. Ever since the days of Thomas Jefferson, The South has been very deliberately "macho" and distinctly "old-fashioned". The South's identity has been distinguished from The North mainly on the fact that, in The North, wealthy elites took the form of "uncouth" grimy city-slicker businessmen, whereas the archetypal Southern Elite, is the Plantation Owner. A well-spoken conservative in a suit, who used the trappings of "good manners" and "family values" to mask his true evil. "Southern Politeness" was, in a sense, set-up as a contrast to the "uncouthness" of the North, (See: The classical "Rude New Yorker" stereotype), but it was also a defense mechanism. A way to mask the ugliness going on just out-of-frame. This gave The South a weird fetish for stuff like "chivalry" and "good form", being as polite as possible so as to make people ignore the whole "owning humans as property" thing. After the Civil War, that attitude took a big hit, as you can see in the works of Mark Twain, which are pretty much all about him trying to reconcile his deep love of the Pre-Antebellum South with his hatred of Slavery, but it remained, as you can see in stuff like The KKK's hierarchical trappings and fancy titles, or Gone WIth The Wind, which is very much a nostalgic throwback to that era. However, if the end of Slavery, the moment the ugliness of the American South became too much to ignore, hurt Southern Chivalry, the end of segregation killed it. Again, The South had been judged by the rest of the nation, and come up lacking, on the wrong side of history once more. I love The South, but I won't deny, Racism is, if not the core of the Southern identity, a big chunk. With Black people's social mobility no longer restricted by legally-sanctioned discrimination, Southern White Men were forced to face facts: They weren't superior to anyone. and if they weren't, what was their place in this new world? Then, along came Atticus. Atticus presented, to many white men in The South, as being their ideal. A man who embodied everything good about The South - Polite, well-spoken, chivalrous - but not a Racist. He was, in a sense, the Southern Man: Version 2.0. A way to keep the parts of the "Old South" that remained, while ditching the bad. When he turned out to be a Racist, people were shocked. Reading things written by native Southerners about Go Set A Watchmen, there's this deep sense of betrayal. He was their idol, their ideal of masculinity. The idea that he was secretly a monster this whole time...Just didn't compute. I've heard it compared to the ways lot of Black people felt after Cosby's allegations came to light, particularly ones who grew in the 80s, for whom he was their first depiction of someone like them being portrayed as an well-off intelligent family man. Just this deep pervading sense of betrayal by someone who had shaped their cultural image.

@meikoblock

6 жыл бұрын

Billy, I hope you go on to be a great scholar this analysis is too good for KZread

@billyweed835

6 жыл бұрын

Aw, thank!

@Elleraiser

6 жыл бұрын

hi i'm from the south and i'm crying a little from how good this is

@Samtember

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to write this :) This is good internet

@ericemanwu

6 жыл бұрын

Billy Weed this comment deserves a video essay around it!

"Nobody wants a Silmarillion adaptation" Speak for yourself! If someone made a faithful series recounting the Silmarillion, I'd tell them to take my money!

@Areanyusernamesleft

4 жыл бұрын

The whole thing might be a bit much, like trying to make a movie adaption to the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments, in a single project! :p However I have seen some ideas for adapting *just* the Akallabêth that might work as a single film (probably in the +2 hour range).

@aquadonkey.

4 жыл бұрын

Id watch it, and then after every scene id rewatch it 4-5 times to make sure i actually understood what was said and what the hell was going on, just like the the book! =]

@tommyLcarter20

4 жыл бұрын

id give my left testicle for Silmarillion

@BradyPostma

4 жыл бұрын

It should be phrased "Not nearly enough people want a film of The Silmarillion to make it both profitable and to have any budget at all."

@maskandmirror9825

4 жыл бұрын

As much as I love it, the whole Silmarillion is too dense for a movie, or even for a TV series. IMHO is not possible to adapt in its entirety. However, some of the stories of the Silmarillion could become great movies themselves, if done well. For example, I have always thought that a first movie about Beren and Luthien, a second one about the story of Turin, and a third one about the Fall of Gondolin would make a fantastic trilogy. If something like that was filmed, being faithful to the stories and the spirit of the book, I would die to see it.

I first saw the Hobbit movies after seeing Sherlock. Having the two protagonists in the same set in this funny context is precious

I don't know what it is, but there is something about these video essays that's like comfort food. I just put them on and tune out (after watching several times intricately of course). I love them.

"Bilbo's not a linebacker. He's a hobbit. He's THE Hobbit." lol

@culturevsman5024

4 жыл бұрын

well what the hell is he supposed to do exactly...throw a carrot at him. the reason he tackles him is jackson's trying to show that he's really giving his all...... even though he knows he physically cant fight the Orc. He's sacrificing himself....for his friend. I didn't like that scene or those movies either..but this girl clearly hasn't read the books...hence you having her saying things like Tolkien didn't care about Boromir's character.......WTF???/ As well as slighting Tom Bombadil which is blasphemous cause his chapter was a masterpiece.

@johnlampe3258

4 жыл бұрын

But Sam is Rudy.

@juliacassiano4499

4 жыл бұрын

@@culturevsman5024 man I can promise you she has read them, no doubt about it.

@larslundandersen7722

4 жыл бұрын

@@culturevsman5024 The only reason why the scene is there, is because we need a climax and Jackson decided last minute, to split 2 movies into 3. So rather than getting a well thought out climax and Bilbo earning Thorins respect because of it, we got a generic action scene. It could have been SO MUCH BETTER, thats all Lindsey is saying. And dude, she has obviously read the Hobbit, don't be that guy. You have got to have better arguments than that

@lopez.jacinto.6726

4 жыл бұрын

@@larslundandersen7722 I think it was the studio who made the decision to make 3 instead of 2 movies. Jackson clearly didn't wanted to go through the stress of making a trilogy again.

You know The Silmarillion is almost entirely ignored when I find an almost mint 1st edition on a dusty shelf of a giant used book store for 5 bucks in the middle of Detroit.

@WasKE395

4 жыл бұрын

excuse me fuck you. Awe I want that so bad.

@lampostsamurai2518

4 жыл бұрын

I believe that is known as a good loot roll.

@nts3208

4 жыл бұрын

@@WasKE395 hahaha, I mostly got lucky, but the price just means nobody bothered to check and see if it's worth anything.

@nts3208

4 жыл бұрын

@@lampostsamurai2518 Pretty much.

@elizardbath

4 жыл бұрын

John King?

Did anybody else got as emotional as I got by Lindsay's "I'm going to NZ alone"? A short scene but still gave me chills and made me smile and cry. Wasn't expecting that, but I loved it.

The ending made my eyes water, just from how well you played the emotion of a pure and loyal friend. Thank you.

Even at 90 years old, Christoper Lee was still a boss. At least the bizarre Necromancer subplot allowed him another chance to shine as Saruman and reconnect with Peter Jackson before he passed away.

@squamish4244

5 жыл бұрын

It was in the Appendices of LOTR. Yes, they are canon, and yes, they were used to great effect to enrich certain narrative arcs in the LOTR films. But IMO there was too little to build like 45 minutes of The Hobbit movies out of with the Necromander, it's unevenly done, and anyway thematically it doesn't fit with the book's much lighter tone. Jackson tried too hard to connect The Hobbit to LOTR using the Necromancer scenes and I wish he had ignored it entirely. Then we could have easily gotten two, three-hour films, which is just about right.

@escl4614

5 жыл бұрын

While I personally completely agree with you regarding the plotlines of Dain and Azog as they take away from the mythos of Dain and changes the history of the world that I love, I have to disagree that they ruined the history in the movie. I hated it and was screaming "He's dead, dammit" inside my head the entire first film but it did not break the lore of the films. Azog lived in the films, and that's that, and Dain never had much to do with him. Events still transpired in the same way as in the books in regards to who was dead and alive when the last movie ended and Dain was lord of Erebor and the Iron Hills. I have to correct a few things though, it's never been stated why Dain was called Ironfoot, he chopped Azog's head of with a red axe (quite hard to come back from that one) by the eastern gate of Moria. His feet are not mentioned in any way that I am aware of. He's also the son of Nain, not Thrain, making him Thorin's second cousin (Nain and Thrain were cousins). So Thrain's dying or not at the battle had no impact on Dain's lordship over the Iron Hills as long as Nain still died in the battle.

@mattblom3990

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Lee gave this franchise his all.

@JarthenGreenmeadow

5 жыл бұрын

1/4 the series? Its like 150 pages...

@Queef_Storm

5 жыл бұрын

oh shit when did he die?

This dissection is fine, Lindsay. However, we feel it would be more...compelling? Yes- compelling. We feel it would be more compelling if you extended it out into 3 parts instead of 2 parts. ~_~

@JamesMcGonigle

6 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment.

@JustNierninwa

6 жыл бұрын

But have the third part be 75% a 10 line debate between 5 different possibilities but stretched out to basically a whole half hour. That'll work fine.

@TheGuilkato

6 жыл бұрын

oh and pander to China... we need their boxoffice

@black_ccks6286

6 жыл бұрын

holy shit son

@litcrit1624

6 жыл бұрын

It already feels like one simple idea pretending to be three

Nostalgia is like the Elder Days of Middle Earth. Filled with magic and wonder. But as we get older that magic fades and we are faced with the harsh truth and age of men. We, like the Elves, long for those Elder Days, but we can’t go back and eventually those memories sail away and fade from the Earth

I was so entranced by your "Go set a watchman" rant I completly forgot I clicked on a hobbit video, gave me whiplash when you brought it up again.

“That’s the Ringwraith theme.” HOWARD SHORE HOW COULD YOU LET THEM DO THAT 😭

@matthewsawczyn6592

3 жыл бұрын

"A wizard should know BETTER!"

@bruh2843

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewsawczyn6592 omgg yes this comment is perfect 😭

@Reflexzzzz

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewsawczyn6592 The fact that this immediately pulls me into that scene and voice acting speaks volumes. This comment resonated

@John_Smith.

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I don't know if he got to decide where to put all the music. But yes, that was a poor choice.

@melodymiller8268

2 жыл бұрын

This moment felt like Sideways, and I love it.

I literally had to cover my ears because I cannot bear to hear “I could have anything down my trousers” one more time in my life

@obiwankenobi9141

3 жыл бұрын

He literally references his junk! How is that romantic?!

@theghostinthemirror8158

2 жыл бұрын

@@obiwankenobi9141 right? Like lol I get banter and whatever but that comment is just straight disgusting and not really charming at all. Not even in like, a lovable rogue way.

@obiwankenobi9141

2 жыл бұрын

@@theghostinthemirror8158, yeah, and I think lewd lines like that can be considered sexual harassment.

@obiwankenobi9141

2 жыл бұрын

@Brah well it was directed to Tauriel.

@obiwankenobi9141

2 жыл бұрын

@Brah I was talking about the line he says to Tauriel when he's locked up, the line being. "Aren't you going to search me? I could have anything down my trousers." which is a really gross line

The first film is a masterpiece from end to end, and you can't convince me otherwise. Fits the tone of the Hobbit novel perfectly - Tolkien loved music and singing, and scattered it throughout the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. It's something that was mostly missed in the first trilogy, but the almost musical-style direction and quantity of singing in An Unexpected Journey was wonderful. Ditching the music and childlike adventure for the next two films was a disastrous decision in favour of a bland and predictable tragedy/love story. I never thought I'd see Orlando Bloom reprise Legolas and single-handedly kill an entire trilogy by his mere presence, but here we are. When almost half the dwarves of Thorin's Company - our main cast - have ZERO speaking parts in the final theatre release of the trilogy (Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dori, Nori, Ori, none of them speak a word) , you know something has gone awfully wrong.

@goodpeopleoftheworldunite

2 жыл бұрын

The first Hobbit film is the best of the 3. I didn't get it at first, but like it now.

@EyebrowsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@A Catalan Liam For a representation of what the Hobbit is supposed to be, I don't deny a word of it. The woeful next two films only enhance how good the first one is by comparison, while at the same time tainting it for many loyal Tolkien fans

@kevinrussell1144

Жыл бұрын

No. The first film had some good moments, but the parts with the orcs and the rock trolls were absurd. I thought Pete pissed away a good start on unnecessary crap- soaked filler, without capturing the child-like charm of the source material. The first one is merely better than the others; it's like claiming a puddle of vomit smells much better than two splats of skitters.

@Gwaihir-The-Windlord

Жыл бұрын

Fellowship of the Ring is a masterpiece, the first Hobbit film is barely acceptable, Radagast, the wizard with literal shit on his head, fart jokes, random and the escape from the goblins are just a couple of notably bad things in the first film. I think calling it a masterpiece is way too far

@kevinrussell1144

Жыл бұрын

@@Gwaihir-The-Windlord You're correct; Fellowship is the best of the three, although it has its flaws. Portions of the Hobbit films (the canonical portions that focus on Bilbo) are okay, but it's mostly a computer game train-wreck and shit show. The orcs are appalling, and the sensibilities and character motivations are all 2005-2008, not Tolkienian.

How am I only now discovering Lindsay Ellis? Her commentary is superb! I'm almost angry about this.

@XzoahX

Жыл бұрын

Alas, you're just a bit too late. She's finished with KZread.

@ryans756

Жыл бұрын

@@XzoahX Any idea why?

@Helenoula

Жыл бұрын

She got into this twitter "scandal" about a movie then all these trolls started sharing threads about her and she made a video about it ( recommend you watch it ) anyway it really sucked

@ryans756

Жыл бұрын

@@Helenoula It sucks for us but if she's making enough money to forgo the horrors of KZread you mention, I mean, good luck to her I suppose. Thanks for the info.

@Helenoula

Жыл бұрын

No problem, luckily she has left her videos up so you can still check them out, forgot to mention she is currently making videos on a platform called nebula, you have to pay for a subscription though. Anyway hope this was helpful :)

The whole “faithful adaptation vs Lotr prequel” idea reminds me of how, according to *History of The Hobbit*, Tolkien attempted a full revision/retelling of the Hobbit in 1960 that would fit tonally with lotr and fix all the continuity mistakes, but abandoned it because it had lost all the charm of the original version.

@LudmilaT.

2 жыл бұрын

They should have followed his example

@seanoflaherty

2 жыл бұрын

Bilbo stealing the ring from Gollum is a retcon. In the first edition, Gollum gives up the ring voluntarily after losing the riddle contest. It was changed more than fifty years ago, so no one remembers.

@samueldimmock694

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanoflaherty And that fact is referenced in Lord of the Rings. But the point is probably that this was the only change.

"Gandalf she's married!" LOL damn I forgot how good these essays are!

@Areanyusernamesleft

4 жыл бұрын

I had to pause and go back several seconds because that line made me laugh so hard. :D

@glykera

4 жыл бұрын

@@fullobeans89 🤣🤣

@merrittanimation7721

3 жыл бұрын

“Now Gandalf, I heard about you and my wife sixty years ago-“

I know this is an old video now, but that ending with Nella is EVERYTHING ❤️

I'm not gonna lie, I often come back to this video just for the final minute. Always brings a tear to the eye.

_"If you add a glassful of wine to a barrelful of sewage, you get a barrelful of sewage._ _If you add a glassful of sewage to a barrelful of wine, you get a barrelful of sewage."_

@Pyromaniac2k9

3 жыл бұрын

Meaning the criticism killing the movies making them a barreful of sewage.

@75ur15

3 жыл бұрын

If you give Lindsay the wine, she makes good videos, do that instead

@SamCork1

3 жыл бұрын

That ending made me cry. Out of nowhere. Brilliant.

@akmi1931

3 жыл бұрын

@Elly van den Brink Even movies deserving of valid criticism are not “sewage” nor do they “suck.” The Hobbit was great even despite it’s flaws. A few creative alterations and the occasional pacing issues doesn’t take anything from the totality of the quality of the movies, which I feel they still held true to the original works.

"... Did they fuck?" I LOST IT

Ok as someone who grew up with only the extended edition DVDs of LotR, the “story continues on Disc 2” brought back some emotions

"We ain't gonna adapt no dense myth-heavy Silmarillion with its paltry less than a million copies sold." Amazon: "hold my beer"

"Like, you know... things mean things!" I'm putting this in my next paper.

@nathandrake5544

6 жыл бұрын

The thesis of every literary analysis XD

Your analysis is perfect. The "Gandalf, she's married " line was legit hilarious.

@TheDoomChibi

5 жыл бұрын

"...did they fuck?"

@BattlestarZenobia

5 жыл бұрын

From what I understand that was Guilmo Del Toro’s addition

@VetkinaOlga

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that chemistry between Gandalf and Galadriel in the movie, I watched it in the theater and was like oh wow that was hot and my friend - big Tolkien nerd - said y'know, she's married. :DD

@darkmaster539

5 жыл бұрын

@@VetkinaOlga Her husband is in the lord of the rings. Not a big role, but he is there when they meet galadriel.

@TheEndKing

4 жыл бұрын

@@summbuddie9120 Wizards have their ways.

Peter originally went to New line after Weinstein wanted LoTR compressed into one movie asking for two being told to make three. So it's almost poetic that the Hobbit should have been one, was pitched as two and the studio wanted three. If you'd tell me Weinstein was involved with that, it would literally be perfect irony.

I am quite sure Gollum never intended to give Bilbo the ring. He wanted the ring for himself and if I remember correctly the riddles where there to give Gollum some time to get the ring and kill/eat Bilbo. He thought he still had the ring back on an island or so. Bilbos last riddle was "What do I have in my poket?" Gollum accepted and failed this "riddle". He had no idea Bilbo had the ring at this point.

@yaboy821

Жыл бұрын

That is in the reworked version of the hobbit which came out after lotr

“Gandalf, she’s married!” 😂

3:36 "Why does it hurt so much?" "Because it wasn't in the book, Tauriel."

@newbiechu7024

4 жыл бұрын

Because you're not supposed to be in this story Tauriel.

@epicveve

4 жыл бұрын

Because you're just here to bring some romance that nobody asked for and nobody needed into this movie, Tauriel.

I took a mocap class at a university with a prestigious cinematic arts program. Some would argue its #1 in the world. We watched the clip of Cumberbatch laying on the ground, doing his performance of Smaug. He immediately burst into laughter when they talked about how motion capture technology has allowed them to preserve Cumberbatch's performance entirely. Cumberbatch is laying on the ground and almost all the white points on his front torso and legs are obscured, so there's no way in hell the data for his body performance would work. The white balls on a mocap suit reflect LEDs or gray to cameras on the ceiling of the mocap studio or the camera rig attached to the actor's face, and the multiple cameras (a minimum of 3) see the same white ball or point in order to triangulate the point's position in space. Because a ton of his are completely covered because he is LAYING ON THE GROUND, there's no way they captured anything but his facial performance. Theres no way his facial performance would have been captured without the technical artist who created the rig for Smaug, the work of many mocap technicians who clean up hundreds of thousands of data points (and I'm probably underestimating the number), the animators who do a pass on every keyframe in the performance, the artistry of all those people in the pipeline. My instructor said with Cumberbatch twisting and turning as much as he did during his performance and how different a dragon's body and face are from a human's, so much data may have been lost that the animator likely had to reconstruct the performance based off of video footage rather than the actual motion captured data. At some point you realize that Smaug is authored not just just Cumberbatch, but the riggers, technical artists, mocap technicians, animators, art directors, and more- which complicates the question of who the award for "best actor" or "best supporting actor" should really go to. Smaug is the result of not just an actor's artistry but hundreds of artists in the cleanup crew.

I personally feel the animated Rankin/Bass version of "The Hobbit" encapsulated the story perfectly, and had just the right amount of child like whimsy yet still gave portent of greater things to come.

22:34 "Heat-resistant dwarves": this is actually canon. Here's a quote from the Silmarillion: "Last of all the eastern force to stand firm were the Dwarves of Belegost, and thus they won renown. For the Naugrim [dwarves] withstood fire more hardily than either Elves or Men, and it was their custom moreover to wear great masks in battle hideous to look upon; and these stood them in good stead against the dragons."

@whythatspreposterous

3 жыл бұрын

But still...

@andrewherrera7735

3 жыл бұрын

people criticized tolken for wasting his time on these books

@goodaimshield1115

3 жыл бұрын

There are amny things that were added to the Hobbit films that were neither in the book nor in the Silmarillion, but they were in some notes Tolkien wrote throughout the years. It really isn't that bad.

@blacksheeprising9710

3 жыл бұрын

The issue isn't that it isn't canon, the issue is that the scenes use the fire to create tension where there isn't any. If they can withstand the heat, why should we as the audience be worried about them?

@TwelvetreeZ

3 жыл бұрын

True, but that whole sequence at the end of the second film is still really dumb and bloated

Orlando Bloom at 19:21 seems so disillusioned with the franchise that I actually feel sorry for him.

@andrewherrera7735

3 жыл бұрын

like watching an animal movie, it really doesn't care about the fact that it is there

@yespls4184

3 жыл бұрын

The dirty joke that follows onscreen afterwards also crushes my will to live

@keithcostello1388

3 жыл бұрын

yeah after the bridge collapse scene you cant help but feel sorry for the dude, they butchered his char

@erfanmanouchehri7999

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Pls what joke?

@RoastyMyToasty

3 жыл бұрын

But isn't that him during filming for LOTR? judging by his costume...

When I was little my stepmother read the hobbit to me as a bedtime story, and it's one that I wanted to hear again and again. When the film was announced after how wonderful the Lord of the Rings movies were I was so excited! And then I was so disappointed I never even bothered to see the second and third movies...

"Gandalf she's married" still makes me giggle to this day

Sad that this video essay wasn't stretched out into 3 parts. Edit: LMAO you actually made it into 3 parts. This was so unexpected

@Captain-Jinn

4 жыл бұрын

What an unexpected journey

@ismata3274

4 жыл бұрын

there is a 3 rd of the 2 ......... indeed.

@yukari_katsuragi

4 жыл бұрын

The Increasingly Misnamed Lindsay Ellis Hobbit Analysis Duology

@skullguy8504

4 жыл бұрын

Were your expectations subverted?

@lentoturmahub8214

4 жыл бұрын

AlexMan *door is burst open* NOBODY EXPECTS- wait, wrong franchise. Sorry.

“Things mean things” is how I’m going to begin every literary analysis from now on. I’ll let you know what it does to my GPA.

@SonjaPond

3 жыл бұрын

Update? lol

@Thunderkid13579

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, how does it hold up

@TehNightfallen

3 жыл бұрын

I heard "themes mean things" which makes a bit more sense in context

@xCorvus7x

3 жыл бұрын

@@TehNightfallen In the context of this video? I think there in particular the more basic, dumb and hilarious sounding phrase fits better to what Lindsay wants to express.

@sarahbeisell3511

3 жыл бұрын

"This means something" - Richard Dreyfuss 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'

I find myself back at this video almost four and a half years later, because the second episode to the Game of Thrones prequel series House of the Dragon came out a couple of days ago. When I sat down all excited to watch it and the intro started playing with the Game of Thrones theme, all I could think of was 31:17-32:44 of this video. “Things mean things! Musical motifs especially mean things!” This is the perfect video.

I've come back to this video by accident at least once a year for the last 3, and it's wonderful every single time I watch it. I love it, thank you Lindsay 🍄❤️

Honestly the moment of hearing Nella's voice has made me so happy in a way that I did not expect.

@carlawatches8361

6 жыл бұрын

pixelpixelboom I love your reviews and LP's!

@jaimejulien

6 жыл бұрын

same. in tears.

@MirellaSnape

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I might have shed a tear.

@beckyginger3432

6 жыл бұрын

Unexpected crying

@leavesoflibra1463

6 жыл бұрын

It's the music.

"lotr: fellowship of the ring is so good it makes me angry" LITERALLY ME. what a perfect way to express how great this movie is lol

@greenyawgmoth

4 жыл бұрын

Hell, same. And holy shit I would *absolutely* watch a Silmarillion movie.

@curtissheppard7469

4 жыл бұрын

taewae bjo

@curtissheppard7469

4 жыл бұрын

greenyawgmoth kook jnokkkbbkkjkkkokbnkkkbjbokb

@WasKE395

4 жыл бұрын

@@greenyawgmoth I would love for it to be a massive tv series instead with more artistic freedom. So many storylines in that book that I think it would feel messy in a movie.

@madcapmakov2

4 жыл бұрын

That’s pretty much going back to classics and then, looking at today’s modern films in a nutshell.

Okay, can I just say, it is a fucking testament to how goddamn good the LOTR trilogy was, that your little skit at the end recreating Sam and Frodo heading to Mordor *actually* made me tear up. A fucking joke recreation was still enough to hit me in my emotion zone. 10 points.

@NadiaDanielle21

2 ай бұрын

I literally came to the comments to say the EXACT SAME THING, sitting here sniffling away 😂

@jd7507

2 ай бұрын

Also made me tear up cause I loved their dynamic years ago when they part of the "Nostalgia Chick" also that Lindsay and Nella are still friends.

Years later and the ending bit still makes me grin, and might be a lil misty eyed this time

The music from the nazguls at that time, is if they played Imperial March during the medal scene in A New Hope...

@aev1588

3 жыл бұрын

Nah more like if the darth Vader theme is played with kylo ren

@RubyBlueUwU

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah like at least one could shit out some meaning behind the Imperial March playing there like it’s to juxtapose Vader and Luke and how they’re intrinsically linked and the whole “you’re destined to be like your father” undercurrent but this? This doesn’t even make any vague theoretical sense

@madcapmakov2

3 жыл бұрын

Or Palpatine’s theme playing when Snoke tortures Rey in TLJ at the time when Disney/Lucasfilm and the creative team not knew the death of Snoke and that missing a core villain would require the next film to bring the Emper-oh wait...

@justinwilliams5253

3 жыл бұрын

Except shes kinda wrong, that wasnt strictly "the nazgul theme". It plays in the opening of fellowship/LOTR. (Last alliance, Battle of Dagorlad) No nazgul there. And pretty sure at other times in the trilogy where there arnt nazgul present. But i do still agree for the most part, You cant just throw it anywhere.

@madcapmakov2

3 жыл бұрын

Justin Williams But it’s still a bad use for a scene that’s basically an anti-climax like Thorin and the made Up villain got two more films to go before they do officially clash.

37 minutes of really interesting analysis on The Hobbit and you captioned all of it? Bless your heart. Thank you. -a Deaf viewer

@thehorseformerlywithoutana2522

5 жыл бұрын

I like typing in the comments section. It makes me feel normal. -A Blind viewer

Incredible video content, really, also because what you talk about can basically be applied to most of the movies that have been produced in the last years (unfortunately). This analysis really denotes amazing skills not only in understanding the issues, but also in exposing them. Thanks!!

Hey, I just wanted to tell you that this is a fantastic video essay and deep dive. I've been sleeping on your work for over a decade now. Back in the day on TGWTG I watched a lot of creators, but I always disregarded you. I was a kid. The "Nostalgia Chick" branding always made you out to be the lesser counterpart to Doug's Critic, which you are ANYTHING but. The way you use video editing and your critique as a form of narrative; to tell a story, without ever undermining the video's purpose as a critique, is really impressive. Your self introspection towards the end of the video had me choking up a little. Your handle of the subtlety and nuance of your art form is beyond anything I was watching on Channel Awesome back in the day (which, like, it's been over a decade. I'm sure everyone else has improved in that time, too. Well, mostly everyone.). I'm sorry for not giving a chance when I was a kid, but I'm grateful to have now as an adult. My fiance and I are in agreement that we would have hated each other as children. There's just a right time you to get to know someone, I guess. *EDIT: Just watched the other two videos, and I want to reiterate all that tenfold. Also having it originally be two videos that became three was absolutely brilliant.

"Things mean things" best line in the review XD

Not going to lie, I definitely shed a tear when Nella ran out

@JoJo09453

6 жыл бұрын

One of the most beautiful moments in youtube history :')

@jodiethemathgenius9204

6 жыл бұрын

same

@DomhnallOfZena

6 жыл бұрын

i have literally no idea who she is but i still cried

@ManoscraftGamers

6 жыл бұрын

she is the perfect Sam

@klauzJamfield

6 жыл бұрын

Me too, and I already knew something like this was coming

I’m literally crying by your ending - in all it’s cheesy glory!

Your friend running through the airport was amazing. Excellent work ladies.