-Mom, can we have AR-15? -NEIN! Wir haben AR-15 daheim! AR-15 daheim....

Italy here with a message to Jonathan. The G41 here was proposed by Franchi as a runner-up for the 1980s trial that would lead to the adoption of a 5.56x45mm NATO rifle as a replacement for the venerable BM-59. The other runners were the Galil, proposed by Bernardelli, and the Beretta AR-70/90 weapon system, which ultimately won. The G41 was adopted in small quantities by the Italian Navy for their Special forces (COMSUBIN). All the G41 rifles purchased by the Italian Navy were manufactured under license by Franchi.

"Looks at AR-15" German engineer: *How can we make it more complicated?*

@P-Mouse

2 ай бұрын

wouldn't that be the 416..

@nigelbarker8726

2 ай бұрын

Why use one part where six will do?

@ronwalsh

2 ай бұрын

Don't forget more expensive as well. Can't have the poors doing the HK slap.

@SaturnianDragon

2 ай бұрын

*how can we make it HK slappable? :D

@Geats-IX

2 ай бұрын

@@P-Mouse Nah the 416 is actually rather simple. It's just a g36 upper slapped on top of top an improved AR-15 lower.

Unless, of course, you played Jagged Alliance 2 and have the description burned into your memory: "Harder hitting than a hangover from a night of downing German lager, this G41 will quickly become your enemy's headache." Its still gorgeous. My favourite of the roller delayed rifles.

@chanman819

Ай бұрын

It was definitely an odd pick for the design team instead of the 33 or 36. Given it was the mid-nineties and from the Darius Kazemi book, none of the team were gun nuts anyway, odds are good it was picked by someone skimming SOF or similar magazines or just out of a Jane's recognition guide. It did have some interesting choices in guns. Probably the first and in some cases only time some of those guns made it into any form of media.

A forward assist on an HK roller gun makes sense to me because it would allow a user to close the bolt after flubbing the reload. It makes way less sense on an AR pattern rifle

@TheSundayShooter

2 ай бұрын

If pressing the AR-15 bolt release fails, hitting the forward assist is faster than pulling the charging handle

@Dannyboy314

2 ай бұрын

It do make a bit of sence, I was taught to use the forward assist for a silent loading of the AR15. You can load the gun way more silent. By loading the rifle with out letting go of the handle and slowly chamber a round and then put the gun in battery with the forward assist.

@SonicsniperV7

2 ай бұрын

My sister is in the US Navy and according to her they trained her to use the forward assist to close the bolt on a fresh magazine rather than the bolt release to ensure it closes. Idk if that really matters all that much but I thought thay was interesting.

@Dannyboy314

2 ай бұрын

I was in the Danish army and deployed in Afghanistan, and I never used it. But I can imagine it can be useful in some situations.

@joshuaradick5679

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSundayShooter yes, but in general AR charging is easier than HK style and correcting by pulling on an AR’s charging handle is far easier than reaching up on an HK’s barrel.

People forget that the Hk33 and Hk53 were designed around the 55 grain M193 cartridge and not the 62 grain SS109 NATO. If you run SS109 through earlier production 33s and 53s it can break the rollers as the locking piece has the wrong geometry. They also only have 1 in 12 rifling which won't stabilise it. Radway Green kept making M193 in parallel to SS109 spec ammunition simply because of the large number of AR15s and then Hk53s in service. Hk have since offered 1 in 7 barrels and different locking pieces. Probably as they realised that no one wanted the G41 but they really liked their old 53s.

The HK's high reliability magazine is heavy, but it does work flawlessly.

@King.Leonidas

2 ай бұрын

Heard Noreg grunts getting teached to use the G3 magazine as a melee weapon when on the gun

@onpsxmember

2 ай бұрын

@@King.Leonidas *taught

@FryingTiger

15 күн бұрын

​@@onpsxmemberTaughted. Teachified.

It really does look like a giant MP5.

@paleoph6168

2 ай бұрын

Same can be said for the G3.

@justalurker3489

2 ай бұрын

​@paleoph6168 I mean isn't the MP5 more of a mini-G3 rather than vice-versa?

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

The MP5 is literally the G3 battle rifle design scaled down to a 9mm SMG. Mechanics are exactly the same, and a few parts even interchange.

@1982rrose

2 ай бұрын

That would be a 53

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

@@1982rrose That'd be the 5.56mm HK33 shortened down to MP5 length, there was also the HK51, which was a G3 (HK91) shortened down to MP5 length.

We love you Jonathon, truly. Thank you for staying dedicated to YT videos for us. ♡

@samholdsworth420

2 ай бұрын

Preach 🙌🏼🙏🏼

@jonathanferguson1211

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I couldn't do it without the production team though - Jack, Josh and Emily.

@samholdsworth420

2 ай бұрын

@@jonathanferguson1211 thanks Jack Josh and Emily!

@Oldtanktapper

2 ай бұрын

Tip of the hat to the crew behind the camera!

I love that there's a massive family of HK designs that all share the same overall shape.

@FryingTiger

15 күн бұрын

They all have that Seen Kyle look.

I carried the HK high reliability mags during my time in the USMC. They were highly coveted. Not everyone had them.

This is Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillary at the royal armouries museum in the UK. Which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history.

A somehow aesthetically appealing rifle. Very M16ish with the flat bottomed handguard and spring loaded dust cover.

If I may offer a suggestion about another type of video, perhaps one with interviews with veterans talking about their experiences with specific weapons or types of weapons?

@williestyle35

2 ай бұрын

Might be good, but probably a bit outside of the "business" of the Royal Armouries, to include interviews from so many people outside the institution.

Loving that Jonathan still calls it 'Twitter' and not X despite what his Muskiness wants.

@williestyle35

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, Elon has an unhealthy obsession with using "X" for most anything.

@Salamandra40k

2 ай бұрын

​@@williestyle35Because he still has the mind of a middle schooler, thinking that adding X makes things cool

@FryingTiger

15 күн бұрын

Twatter wasn't it mate.

PTR is actually reviving this rifle family as their PTR-63. It's basically a semi-auto G41 for the American civilian market without the forward assist and, apparently, with some improvement to the bolt funtion for increased reliability.

Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the U.K. Which houses thousands of iconic weapons throughout history. Always makes good content and I’m glad he is able to take time from his busy job, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the U.K. Which houses thousands of iconic weapons throughout history. To film things like this for us to watch.

Of course ive heard of the g41. I've given her many hometes over the years.

Every SKK worth his collapse fluid has heard about homete.

@nam430

2 ай бұрын

i knew i would find homete

@friedichii

2 ай бұрын

Was looking for this, didn't get disappointed. Homete all the way

sick work as always john

Your videos have now become absolutely unmissable. Great work . Cheers 👍

Appreciate their attempts at helping out the dyslexic riflemen out there. No chance misinterpretung those safety switch instructions!

Thatcher been rocking this one for awhile .

In before "HOMETE HOMETE!!!" Also HOMETE HOMETE!!!

@pramakassuryanegara2057

2 ай бұрын

I thought I'm the only one who know this gun from GFL

@nam430

2 ай бұрын

HOMETE

@nickosman1556

2 ай бұрын

Can someone explain ?

@nam430

2 ай бұрын

@@nickosman1556 if u dont know then u dont know

@thedigitaldummy3098

2 ай бұрын

@@nickosman1556 G41 appears in the game Girls Frontline as a kemonomimi who repeats the word “homete” (Japanese lit. “Praise me”) over and over again. She is very cute and deserving of praise though.

Looks very well made, good fit & finish.

I remember reading about this on Remtek Arms 20 years ago and haven't heard anything about it since.

I Love this series. Wen't to RA in Leeds last week to see the Re:loaded exhibition. I can't stress how much I enjoyed it. I'd recommend it to anyone. well done all!

Off topic, but are you wearing a "The Crow" pin badge??

Do you have any of the G3KA4s set-up for urban "sniping" by some British armed police services in the 90s/2000s? Would love to have a nice video on that whole setup, because it looked great. Plus not enough people are aware of the G3K and its various uses.

and that black theme is outstanding. nice suit btw

@madalinbotez2089

Күн бұрын

my first comment got censored, cause censorship being annoying and treating everyone like a kid

That's pretty neat.

Not only have I heard of it, but I have shot one before.

Hey look guys, a forward assist!

I have been in the US Army for 15 years and I have never had to use the forward assist on all AR rifles I have used from the M16A2 and the M4

I wonder if the heavier spring is so that it reliably chambers from the hold open position?

I wonder if they copied the wording they used for the G3A5 made for the Danish Homeguard, as that has grooves drilled onto the side of the bolt for physically pushing into place which they also dubbed a silent bolt cosure device

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

I believe Bofors in Sweden were first to introduce that, then it filtered towards Denmark and Norway.

For anyone here in the US who is into this thing, PTR is in the process of releasing a G41 clone that you'll be able to buy...although their rifle doesn't seem to have a forward assist for some reason. It's called the "PTR 63". My personal opinion is that this thing is an abomination, and I'll be waiting for Zenith to release their HK33 clones. One 16" rifle and a 12" "pistol". Been waiting to get an HK33/93 rifle for years now, and I've already got my name on the list for both of the Zenith clones.

Question. Is recoil worse with the sliding stock variants?

Honestly, I like this design quite a bit. Only thing I would personally love to see changed would be the front. A little more round and with a pic rail at the bottom and the sides. Maybe the top with a long picatinny rail instead of these two "hooks".

Another entertaining and informative production. Many Thanks. So many variants - It is confusing .... product diversification trying to push sales in a highly competitive market. Ypu must gave a huge inventory ... How on earth does the Armouries keep on top of maintenence ?? I dont suppose you have a huge staff.

Another wonderful video! Do you think the G41 would have been adopted if not for german reunification?

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

Dubious, the G41 is an awkward attempt to M16-ize the HK33, and it leaves a lot to be desired. H&K went in the right direction by making an all new gun with the G36, which is just much better (early integrated optics notwithstanding).

Question -to "tactically reload" an MP5, the user has to lock back the bolt first. Does this drawback also apply to rifle-caliber Cold War H&K roller-delayed guns, such as the G3? Why or why not?

@zoiders

2 ай бұрын

A tactical reload is changing the magazine before it runs dry, not waiting for it to be empty. G3s run with out a last round hold open. It was deleted at the request of some customers who believed there was a small chance that snow or ice could enter the action when locked open by the last round hold open.

@klan792

2 ай бұрын

Locking the bolt prior to inserting an MP5 mag isn’t necessary, but it certainly makes things easier. Some people down load their mags slightly to facilitate it. Closed bolt reloads are easier on the G3 and HK33 since the rock in design gives more leverage to seat

Do .455 webly automatic such untalked about gun. Such a beautiful pistol

Things get confusing here because there was also an HK41 (as opposed to a G41). Back in 1983 I desperately wanted an HK91 but was a few dollars short, so I "settled" for a used 1/74 HK41. Of course, I ended up being very happy with that purchase, but for a number of years referred to it (incorrectly) as the G41. The HK41 is the predecessor to the HK91 in 7.62 NATO, as opposed to the 5.56 G41. Things really got confusing when my buddy got a HK93 that Christmas, which was nearly identical to the G41, while my HK41 was nothing like a G41, and so on, and so on....

While I love guns, can we have some swords, spears and axes please ? Similar style video but melee weapons.

@jonathanferguson1211

2 ай бұрын

We do have Up In Arms which was on hiatus but is back soon.

HK sure showed plenty of love for the francophone 55grs market with its 1:12 variations, the 1:7 shows they been ready for NATOs +62grs future. Yet roller delayed systems started to get old fashion and HK copied the AR18, polymere was the new material, hence the G36 line. Polymeres proved unreliable in context of an AR18 style system, so we returned to aluminum.... Thanks for the great video Jonathon.

This is very cool, basically when a AR-15 and MP 5 meet and take the G41 legacy. Which of the three G41 do you prefer? Mauser, Walter or Hk?

@nickosman1556

2 ай бұрын

G3, not MP5

@vittoriovaglio2031

2 ай бұрын

@@nickosman1556 Oh yea that rifle of course. I hope to see a Beretta Revelli video, that would be very cool

I prefer.

I think I just saw Jonathan walk into an episode of QI from about 2012!! Can anyone tell me if that was him!? I don't know why I'm so excited!!!

@i.warrenhastings2526

2 ай бұрын

I just looked again-- it is definitely him!!! I'm starting to think Britain only has 50 people in it.

I'm actually very aware of this one thanks to a detailed battlefield 2 mod for the special forces expansion.

The G3 family is really pretty

STANAG 4694 is the STANAG that relates to MIL-STD-1913

The reason for not adopting G11 and G41 was the collapse of the Eastern Block. When this threat vanished, it was no longer possible to justify such high costs for introducing new weapons. Especially the G11, but even the G41 was considered being too expensive back then. But the G3 was still in use and considered an outdated 1950s construction, so the German government decided to adopt another HK design off-the-shelf, that was the G36. And silent bolt close is said too much, it should be less noisy for a surprise fire in a defensive line at incoming enemies. The thing was a group of defenders laying in improvised entrenchments, and the group leader would give a sign (usually by whistle) and all soldiers would fire one shot at a target within their designated area. And due to this synchronized shooting the incoming enemy could not determine the strength of the defending forces. That surprise would not be a surprise if they would hear the defenders racking the bolts before. So that design choice was made to make it less noisy, or at least not identifiable so easy. That was btw. a practice that was still part of the basic drill back during my time in the Bundeswehr 20 years ago.

So when PTR developed the PTR63, I thought it was.....interesting. I didn't know HK actually manufactured this.

With all the variations on the ar 15 how can it ever be replaced

@williestyle35

2 ай бұрын

Precisely. The AR 15 / M - 16 pattern has a little something for nearly every user that is not already stuck with AK pattern rifles. But it almost wasn't this way : The M - 16 initially had its reputation... tarnished by McNamara allowing the idiots at Army ordnance to tinker with (nearly like "sabotage") the finely tuned system that Eugene Stoner had designed (I can't imagine anyone would have done such a thing to a John Browning design). Fun (side) fact - it was Air Force chief Curtis LeMay that was the first to order the M 16 for his service. The M - 16 itself is the result of a proposal by General Willard G. Wyman of U S Continental Army Command for a light weight rifle in .223 caliber - which Stoner made with L. James Sullivan and Bob Freemont scaling down from his AR 10 rifle (Sullivan would later work for Ruger, scaling down the M - 14 to the successful "Mini 14", among other projects).

The Thai army actually used a variant of this type of HK for a while, the HK 33

Jonathon will run out of guns before I get sick of watching his videos

WOW

I have one.

I think I'm in love 😅

The comments: 1- Homete, homete, homete neko raifu from GFL 2- Jagged Alliance 2 3- why forward assist on a MP5

There's in depth and then there's this. ❤❤❤

☝🏻…beautiful boom-stick

Geek here, heard of it 😁

I can't tell if I love HK or hate them

@goatah

2 ай бұрын

HK experimental guns make me do the whole “*squinting*Not Sure if…” thing.

Oh boy the amount of different big ass MP5 are endless!

Are the civilian G41 variants going to be sold in the U.S.A.?

@andywindes4968

2 ай бұрын

Starting in the mid-70's until 1989, you could get what amounted the same gun as the HK43 or HK93. My buddy got one for Christmas in either 1983 or 84--it came with a bipod, sight adjustment tool, sling, and two steel HK magazines, all for $450. I guess that would be the equivalent to $1500-$2000 today. He still has it and it is a very nice rifle.

@kutter_ttl6786

2 ай бұрын

PTR is supposed to come out with a clone of the G41, called the PTR-63, sometime in Q3 of this year.

@rogersmith8480

2 ай бұрын

@@kutter_ttl6786 YES, THANKS FOR THE GOOD NEWS, 👍👍👍👍!!

The harder cocking is meant to create stronger bicepses

The forbidden Long MP5

As I recall, Eugene Stoner said that the whole forward assist thing was just the army brass being stupid with their requirements, in his view it was an unnecessary part.

@ASqdrnDA

2 ай бұрын

It may be unnecessary for Eugene but the soldiers thought otherwise. Take that how you will, everyone hates and loves it.

@williestyle35

2 ай бұрын

Yes. Eugene Stoner always wanted to keep the rifle as light as possible. He, and M - 16 co - developers L James Sullivan & Bob Freemont hated everything the Army and Colt did to cheapen and add nonsense to the M - 16. The Army ordnance department nearly ended the M - 16 by not chrome lining the chamber and not issuing cleaning kits or cleaning instructions - costing the lives of soldiers in Vietnam.

@oldesertguy9616

2 ай бұрын

I personally think Stoner was wrong. Yes, he knew more about weapons than I ever will, but many others who also know about weapons agree with me. Even geniuses don't know everything.

@DawidKov

2 ай бұрын

@@oldesertguy9616 If we were to go for the majority opinion, then arguably the fact that outside of the US military, very few rifles actually include a forward assist is indicative of how much value there is in it. If it had any significant effect, it wouldn't be limited to just US weapons - others would try to copy it.

@oldesertguy9616

2 ай бұрын

@@DawidKov prior to the AR most weapons had a reciprocating charging handle (not all, but most). The handle was its own forward assist. I've used the forward assist and see value in it, as have many others. I don't understand the hate it gets when it adds negligible weight to the weapon and it has a legitimate purpose.

Which of these is the best military rifle: the HK G41, the Galil, the FN FNC, the SIG 550, the Daewoo K2, the Beretta AR 70, the FAMAS or the Steyr AUG?

@dean42bean

2 ай бұрын

L85A1

@davidmarshall7390

2 ай бұрын

FAL

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

Out of those, I would choose the Daewoo.

@kutter_ttl6786

2 ай бұрын

Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

@oskar6661

2 ай бұрын

Out of the ones mentioned...Sig 550 series.

What if mp5 but long?

@klan792

2 ай бұрын

People actually build those in the US with correspondingly long cocking tubes and call them the HK34

Everyone who saw the shot show 2024 coverage has seen this and you can get it from century arms now

The curve on the HK 5.56 mags just don’t look quite right do they.

That front handguard is a Chonkyboi. Maybe it's just the changing preferences in modern rifle design, but that looks thicker than a bowl of oatmeal.

Of course I have heard of it, I am a gamer lol

Then decades later they did it for real with the HK416.

Jonathan, on account of its massive size, what do you think of my petition to rename the H&K MK23 to the fee fi fo-wty five?

when i hear G41 i think of another gun

I did say it's a HK rifle of sorts on insta

Seeing a forward assist on an HK roller-delayed system is not something I enjoy.

My god it's even got the unnecessary forward assist

airsoft version when?

Jonathon did they make a HK51? like the HK53…

@CurlyJones

2 ай бұрын

Yes they did, Ian on Forgotten Weapons has a video about it, as well as this gun and the HK-33. I'd link it but I don't know how KZread feels about links in their comments

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

Yes, a G3 shortened down to MP5 size. The SAS actually tried a couple very briefly, and then put them away. VERY loud and blasty, terrible to shoot in the dark or in cramped spaces, but at least your enemy will also be disoriented.

@LordElpme

2 ай бұрын

Not sure if it was an official release or a diy gun, but there are some g3's out there with mp5k front ends. More a flame thrower than a gun at this point

@maxjoechl5663

2 ай бұрын

The HK51 (or rather "MC51") was a G3 shortened to MP5 dimensions, made by a company called FR Ordnance at the request of the UK's Special Forces (SAS / SBS). As others have pointed out already, firing a 7.62x51 from a barrel that short was *not* a good idea, so the units in question eventually dropped them in favor of an official HK design, the HK53 (which was a shortened version of the 5.56mm HK33).

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

2 ай бұрын

@@maxjoechl5663 MC51 I think was the moniker given to the two guns which were built on HK21 beltfed 7.62mm machineguns, which were also shortened down to MP5 length.

Think i saw it in an Arma 3 mod. once

Nice to see you with Ian mccollem in some recent posts

Homete?

one of the reasons the G11 program was throw into the bin, was the unification of Germany .. the money was needed elsewhere ..

no one? okay i'll do it. "homete"

So this is the HR-45. 🤔

@andywindes4968

2 ай бұрын

You could get a civilian import version as the HK43 and then the HK93 from about the mid-70's until 1989.

Heckler & Harder to Koch

HK 33, don't ever get on the business end of it ) End message...

Is there a reason Jonathan uses polymer gloves? I noted that Ian from Forgotten Weapons will often use cotton gloves, is there an argument for either to be used? Or is it perhaps a bit like the use of gloves with old books, where pop-culture said to use gloves but the people actually handling those books found that using gloves wasn't a good idea, and so he wears them just to spare himself the plethora of comments? Or is it simply what is available to hand in the moment?

@trippingpug5513

2 ай бұрын

I'm guessing it's much simpler than that. Ian is just one guy, so he doesn't need a bunch of different sizes of gloves and can spring for some cotton ones, whereas having cheap, disposable gloves is probably easier for the (presumably) larger staff of the museum with a higher number of hand sizes/roles they need their gloves for.

Anyone else getting MGS5 vibes?

2:14 Did saner minds prevail after all? 10:26 From your demonstration it seems like it would be fair to say that if there is a system where forward assist really is desirable, the HK roller-delayed family is it. 12:09 Lighter bolt might be desirable for lighter felt recoil, I suppose.

Why do you say "Hech"-ler? Wouldn't it be Heck-ler?

I was looking at the whole thing going.. ew.. er.. ugh.. looks.. unwieldy. then he did the charging handle and a huge wave of flashbacks hit me. Oh. it's one of those. right. I remember now. Never fired it in combat.

Excellent work as always Jonathan, that gun may be expensive and rather difficult but it's a pretty good assault rifle, like most Heckler & Koch products. By the way i loved the "silent" reloading i mean that doesn't look suspicious at all🤣.

I hope to god J has negotiated a per entage of the revenue for these videos

the forward assist made almost no sense on the ar15/m16, I think it makes even less sense here with the hk slap.

@fatalgravity

2 ай бұрын

I just used it as an excuse to add another bit of shiny anodized metal to the "pretty" build 😂