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@flyingfoxes4630

3 жыл бұрын

Great, now Indo-European languages please! Thanks in advance! Love your channel and videos!

@Noobgrunt

3 жыл бұрын

Plese make a thai pls?

@user-bx7gd8uf8m

2 жыл бұрын

Go for turkic language

@TheGreatCatsby-pd2tt

2 жыл бұрын

And about the great Mughals in India???

@Kubilay3502

2 жыл бұрын

The European Avars were Turkic as gokturk letters pointed out and the fact that the same oghuric tribes among the hephalites namely xionites or xioni (chunni) and var (uar) also existed as biggest tribes of hephalites (central Asian Huns who minted coins in the name of Yabgus (Turkic title) Hepthalites whose descendants became Turk shahis, nezak shahis whom were Turkic aswell.

1:55 weeee

@turkmapping130

3 жыл бұрын

bro you think no. it is turkic., do you think you can imagine that you are descended from this geography difference?

@turkmapping130

2 жыл бұрын

@NewKnows bruuuuhhh turkic language is best hard language =D they are from central asia =D not east asia

@mattllaves

2 жыл бұрын

@@turkmapping130 i would say the altai mountains are on the limit of east and central asia

@MatiasMorales-oc7mf

2 жыл бұрын

@@turkmapping130 Panonian Avars were a mix they spoke a turkic langauge, so the video is wrong, the guy that make the video probably confuse beetween the people, cuz the ancestors of panonian avars was the donghu people, and the donghu people were the ancestors of mongols.

Thanks for this video Dragon Historian! Enjoyed it.

Rouran be like: "Aight Imma head out"

@spugnoxngubcux9801

2 жыл бұрын

"I am speed"

@FirstkrubLmao

2 жыл бұрын

SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

@Kubilay3502

2 жыл бұрын

The European Avars weren't Mongolic though or linked to the rouran as gokturk letters pointed out that they were Turkic oghuric and came from early oghuric tribes uar (var) and chunni (xionites) who were also noted to have existed in hephatalite state as biggest tribes (noted by khingila (which minted coins in the name of Yabgus, exclusive Turkic title) after the Hepthalites dissappeared their decendant Hun states were Nazak shah's and Turk shahis whom were both Turkic)

@ZachRULES96

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kubilay3502 link and proof

@Kubilay3502

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZachRULES96 you can read up on the byzantine-gokturk letters and records on how khingila mentioned the uar and xioni(tes) This is a pretty well known fact about khingila "Khingila united the Uar and the Xionites in 460AD, establishing the Hepthalite dynasty." According to the Syrian compilation of Church Historian Zacharias Rhetor (c. 465, Gaza - after 536), bishop of Mytilene, the need for new grazing land to replace that lost to the Wusun led Khingila's "Uar-Chionites" to displace the Sabirs to the west, who in turn displaced the Saragur, Ugor and Onogur, who then asked for an alliance and land from Byzantium. Many more, but somewhat confusing, details come from Theophylact Simocatta, who wrote c. 629, describing the final two decades of the 6th century. In particular, he claims to quote a triumph letter from the Turk lord Tamgan "For this very Chagan had in fact outfought the leader of the nation of the Abdali (I mean indeed, of the Hephthalites, as they are called), conquered him, and assumed the rule of the nation. Then he ... enslaved the Avar nation. But let no one think that we are distorting the history of these times because he supposes that the Avars are those barbarians neighbouring on Europe and Pannonia, and that their arrival was prior to the times of the emperor Maurice. For it is by a misnomer that the barbarians on the Ister have assumed the appellation of Avars; the origin of their race will shortly be revealed. So, when the Avars had been defeated (for we are returning to the account) some of them made their escape to those who inhabit Taugast. Taugast is a famous city, which is a total of one thousand five hundred miles distant from those who are called Turks, ... Others of the Avars, who declined to humbler fortune because of their defeat, came to those who are called Moukri; this nation is the closest neighbour to the men of Taugast; Then the Chagan embarked on yet another enterprise, and subdued all the Ogur, which is one of the strongest tribes on account of its large population and its armed training for war. These make their habitations in the east, by the course of the Til, which Turks are accustomed to call Melas. The earliest leaders of this nation were named Var and Chunni; from them some parts of those nations were also accorded their nomenclature, being called Var and Chunni. Then, after the Var and Chunni saw the well-omened beginning to their flight, they appropriated the ambassadors' error and named themselves Avars: for among the Scythian nations that of the Avars is said to be the most adept tribe. In point of fact even up to our present times the Pseudo-Avars (for it is more correct to refer to them thus) are divided in their ancestry, some bearing the time-honoured name of Var while others are called Chunni. " As for the Hepthalites we know that they originated from somewhere near tibet/Xingjiang or Altai (Tibet was where earlier South Asian sources thought the Turks came from hence the confusion, as Turks obviously didn't originate from there) later evidence has hinted they originated from Altai but potentially came into modern day south asia+Afghanistan through Kyrgyzstan/Xinjiang/Kazakhstan area near Tibet. The Hepthalites used numerous seals one of which is the Hepthalite yabghu seal from khingilas time, yabgu is an exclusive Turkic title in the sense of governor. Other titles on later Hepthalite coins used yabgu and Tegin (also Turkic title). The only direct decendants of Hepthalites also happend to be Turks from Turk shahis to tokhara yabgus and very likely the nisu(nezak) Huns who might be the only 1/3 non Turkic decendants of Hepthalites yet even then nisu was a prominent title amongst Turks Where's officially they're called nizak Huns we can assume it came from nishu/nasai from Chinese.

3:35 Dzungar genocide

@orango9717

3 жыл бұрын

It is not a massacre. It is a genocide.

@velk

3 жыл бұрын

never forget

@user-nc5yc9es6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@orango9717 What's the difference?

@Elvg

3 жыл бұрын

Khalkha mongolians liked it

@orango9717

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-nc5yc9es6j Sorry, this is a late reply. A massacre is in small scale compared to genocide, and massacre sometimes kill people indiscriminately, like kill everyone, doesn’t matter their race, religion and ethnicity. While genocide are in large scale. Focusing only on certain people, because of their race, religion or ethnicity. However, some massacres are like something like ‘mini-genocide.’ So basically, the difference is on how large scale the killing people part is. Which in this case, very large against the Dzungar Mongols.

Great! Now do the Sino-Tibetan languages pls!

@captainch6182

3 жыл бұрын

Hittih Lerrel I don’t think you realize how many Sino-Tibetan languages there are

@NCXitlali

3 жыл бұрын

And Nahuatl

@NCXitlali

3 жыл бұрын

@Leo Rychardo why not, he did China

I enjoy reading the comments in your videos

This is awesome

mongolic languages were once spoken throughout the Eurasia but now there are only handful of speakers left.

@gon9684

3 жыл бұрын

7+ million people isn't a handful, but whatever...

@user-nc5yc9es6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@gon9684 that's very small compared to speakers of Chinese, Korean and Japanese.

@batukaganbat6093

3 жыл бұрын

we are not same as Russia, China or England.. Mongol empire was real freedom country. we are respect others culture, language and religion.. that’s why we never teach Mongolian language or culture to them. even Koreans too still koreans.

@zhihaohuang8722

2 жыл бұрын

@@batukaganbat6093 the Mongolian rule in China only cared about the taxes. The freedom and anarchy finally brought rebellion and economic crisis to the empire at the end.

@Prosto_Yura

Жыл бұрын

@@batukaganbat6093 Про що ти говориш? У вас була деспотія. Хан-бог,решта-бруд під ногами. Людське життя у монгольській імперії не коштувало нічого.

Thanks a lot for this excellent video. I'm now doing a research of Mongolic language. Could I use a screenshot of your video to put it into my thesis, please ? I will cite the source of course.

Now i will wait for new video

Hey admin, what's your video editor? How to do that spreading of colors on map?

Amazing video as per usual! Eventhough we Egyptians fought the Mongol empire, I truly respect Mongol culture and history, truly one of the strongest and bravest people on earth.

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

Mongol empire's army were 70%turkic. Those Egyptians who fought were kipchak turks, they were slaves of Egyptians but then seized power and became Mamluk sultanate

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

@Moe Lester what?

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

@MyHeritage Mongolia 70%still a little, I lowered so that the Mongols would not be offended)))

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

@MyHeritage Mongolia you are content with someone else's story

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

@MyHeritage Mongolia Mongol Empire is turkic. And you are little related to this empire

please do a history of Altaic language family 🙏

케레이트어, 나이만어, 타타르어, 메르키트어는 어디 있나요?

@TheDragonHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

딱히 별개의 언어를 사용했다는 정보를 찾지 못해서 그냥 Proto-Mongolic의 방언으로 간주했습니다.

@aragornanywhere

3 жыл бұрын

그 족들은 대부분은 터키어 족이고 아마도 대몽골 시 터키어와 고대몽골어는 상당히 비슷했을 것 같습니다.

@user-tf5ww7ll3t

3 жыл бұрын

튀르크어족과 몽골어족이 기원전 10세기 경에 갈라졌다는 학설이 있습니다. 정설은 아니구요, 논의 단계에 있습니다.

1:54 Rouran were really speedrunning their migration, steppes are really migration highways 😂😂 Also, Avars may also be Tungusic but who knows, they didn't left many words

@turkcuedits_1453

4 ай бұрын

avars turkic

@tranchedecake3897

4 ай бұрын

@@turkcuedits_1453 source ? (ig ur a random nationalist & turanist but maybe you've got some sources)

@Khorasan_Turco

Ай бұрын

[The Avars] were the next major wave of originally nomadic horse warriors, after the Huns, to sweep off the Great Eurasian Steppe and build an empire in central Europe. Thankfully, we know rather more about them than about the Huns. The Avars spoke a Turkic language and had previously starred as the dominant force behind a major nomadic confederation on the fringes of China. In the earlier sixth century they had lost this position to a rival force, the so-called Western Turks [Gokturks], and arrived on the outskirts of Europe as political refugees, announcing themselves with an embassy that appeared at Justinian's court in 558. (401)

Do these videos map the official languages of states, or the popular language of a given region?

Someone with a lot of KZread accounts is trying to steal a bell while he's blocking his ears

혹시 영어로 Pannanian Avar라고 쓰여져 있는데 무슨 뜻인가요?

@malismarma_5040

2 жыл бұрын

In Korean they are called “아바르” they were an ancient mysterious nomadic people who stormed into Europe as quickly as they vanished. The Slavic people would later absorb them

@user-ww7wj7ib1f

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Year 552:Happens Rouran:Ight imma head out

@kaikwokhoratiowong1023

2 жыл бұрын

870s:pannonian avar left the game

And the language us still spreading and reaching far and close and middle distances

2:27 와 퀄리티 지린다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 역사룡님 중국어파의 역사 영상보다가 어?? 왜 요나라가 중국어를 썼다고 나와있지? 라고 생각해서 이 비디오 다시보니까 아 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 요나라 이원적인 지배체제 고려해서 같이 표기하신거였네 ㄷㄷㄷ

other option to discuss is a historical and cultural - but not linguistic - continuity; this would imply a language shift from the Mongolic-speaking Rourans to the Turkic-speaking Avars at some point of their history. In parallel, both disciplines suggest that at least some of the European Avars were of Eastern Asian ancestry, but neither linguistic nor genetic evidence provides sufficient support for a specific connection between the Avars and the Asian Rourans. Savelyev A, Jeong C (2020). Early nomads of the Eastern Steppe and their tentative connections in the West. Evolutionary Human Sciences 2, e20, 1-17.

Panonian avars language is oghur turkic and tuoba language is siberian turkic

@anselm0124

2 жыл бұрын

i wouldn't say so, tuoba was a khitan clan

@anselm0124

2 жыл бұрын

a xianbei clan i mean

Mongolia Forever ✊

0:51 역사룡님 부여,탁리국의 위치랑 저당시 몽골계 어족의 위치가 어느정도 겹치는거 같은데 혹시 중국 사서에서 부여의 언어가 실위와 가깝다고 기록한것을 생각해볼때 부여와 어느정도 관련이 있는걸까요??

@aragornanywhere

3 жыл бұрын

그렇게 되면 상당히 비슷했겠지 않을까요? 실위는 몽골 조상으로 하기도 하잖습니까?

@user-gw2zu5do2r

3 жыл бұрын

칭기스칸이 속한 보르지긴 씨족의 원주지가 북만주 아르군강 일대였으니까 부여와 겹친다고 봐야겠죠.

@user-wq7oo1uy9d

Жыл бұрын

@@user-gw2zu5do2r I am Genghisd of the Torah family . Kazakh .

Theophylact Simocattes asserts that Bayan’s people had only adopted the awe-inspiring name of the Avars proper and that in fact the two tribes of these Pseudo-Avars, the Var and the Chunni, were of the same origin and spoke the same language, as the peoples joining them later; they belonged to the Oghur (Ogor, Ugor) ethnic group which spoke in all probability an Altaic or to be more exact a Bulghar- Turkic dialect. Denis Sinor | The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia, Volume 1. Cambridge University Press, 1990 (pp.222)

you're the best

History of Tibetan languages PLS like

European Avar not Mongoliad European Avars speak Turkic language . Asian Avars speak Mongoloid language

@Str1ker793

Жыл бұрын

The avars were the descendants of rourans who fled the after the gokturks overthrew the Rouran khaganate. The rourans were Mongolic. Therefore rhe avars were Mongolia

Mongolians were specifically aimed by Hans and Manchus in Ming and Qing dynasty. the Manchus probably killed more Mongols than Han did.

@kilimounais9936

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic because the Manchu language is in danger of extinction

@ih8people48

2 жыл бұрын

@Kazuha かずは its the kings and soldiers who were evil, mongols didnt destroy their culture, ban their religion but they were brutal and the manchu banned their religion, culture and killed millions of innocent people in china, mongolia and much more. it's sad for any culture to die

@turuus5215

2 жыл бұрын

@@kilimounais9936 Already disappeared language and culture.

@islamicschoolofmemestudies

2 жыл бұрын

Hans get ze flammenwerfer

@user-np3li4pl3i

Жыл бұрын

@Kazuha Itō 伊藤 かずは🇯🇵 a fair bit worse. Actually they were a lot worse.

혹시 준몽골어족을 다루신 건가요 영어로 Para-Mongolic이라 쓰여 있길래

1:54 “Yeah, let’s get outta here”

This is like java song + modern sound

Xiongnu was proto-Turkic. Its eastern neighbor and opponent, Donghu(东胡) was proto-Mongolic. Later on Donghu evolved into Xianbei which has been demonstrated as the root of all modern Mongolic group.There’s famous Xiongnu sentence transcription by late old Chinese:秀支替戾岡，僕谷劬禿當It means “when the army departs, Boklok is caught”reconstructed old Chinese: siu ke tei ret kaŋ, bok lok gu tok taŋreconstructed Xiongnu language with vowel harmony: Sü keter erkeŋ, Bokloğu tutkaŋ(Sü means army)modern Turkish: Sü giderken, Bokloğu tut(ar)kan? By the way, many deciphered Xiongnu words that were transliterated in old Chinese(Western Han Dynasty, 202 BC - 9 AD) all indicate that it was Turkic:单于(old Chinese: dar-gwa) is “tarkan”. Mongolian had it loaned from Turkic.屠耆(old Chinese: to-gri) is “toğrı”(doğru). Mongolian doesn’t have this word.撑犁(old Chinese: teng-ri) is “tengri(tanrı)”. Mongolian had it loaned from Turkic.居次(old Chinese ka-tsih) is “kız”. Mongolian doesn’t have this word.

Music?? 🙏

@imsonicnoob2112

Жыл бұрын

It’s at the end of the video,

Juha Janhunen University of Helsinki, Helsinki OBSERVATIONS ON THE PARA-MONGOLIC ELEMENTS IN JURCHENIC 1. Introduction It is well known that the Tungusic languages incorporate a large number of Mongolic loanwords. Most of these were reviewed in detail by Gerhard Doerfer [1985], who showed that their distribution indicates a gradual infiltration of Mongolic lexicon into Tungusic, with the smallest number of Mongolisms being present in geographically marginal idioms such as Western Ewenki and Ewen. In the context of the "Altaic" group of languages, the Mongolic loanwords in Tungusic are secondary to the Turkic loanwords in Mongolic, showing that the general direction of borrowing has been from west to east and from south to north. The majority of the Mongolic loanwords in Tungusic are Post-Proto-Mongolic borrowings into Post-Proto-Tungusic, that is, into the various individual Tungusic languages and dialects - naturally only those that have been in direct contact with Mongolic languages. There is also a small corpus of items shared by Proto-Mongolic and Proto-Tungusic, for which the direction of borrowing is more difficult to establish. Ultimately we cannot rule out that there are also a few items shared on a genetic basis, though evidence for a binary genetic connection between Tungusic and Mongolic in the context of a distinct language family ("Khinganic") is still very scarce [Janhunen 1996b].

2:57 Gengis Khan

@anonymuz796

2 жыл бұрын

Kublai Khan.

@annoyingtuguldur8689

3 ай бұрын

ch

It would be great if you made thses kind of videos with every language family

@TheDragonHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

That's the plan :)

@menniemint7772

9 ай бұрын

That is not true!!!!! We are not from china we was very big Country!!!! Our language speak only Mongols!!! Not same korea japan han dynasty china!!! not same arabs ( turk, kazakhstan, kazak- hasag) !!!!!

avars be teleporting

Mongolian here. Ask me questions freely guys😊🇲🇳❤️

@movie9600

Жыл бұрын

@noble crow амар мэнд үү? халх нутгаас мэнд хүргэе

@turuus5215

Жыл бұрын

@noble crow Sain bainu, ta? Halimag Mongol yumu? Huurhii min, ta nartaigaa uulzaad ergen negdvel goy baina.

@turuus5215

Жыл бұрын

@noble crow Oilgoj oilgoj baina. Yostoi bayarlala. Sain saihniig husii

Hey sir, could you do the history of Vietnamese language, or anything consider to the Viet Sinosphere culture. I'd really glad if you read this comment and my honest offer.

@eustress7428

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe 'history of austroasiatic languages' would be great.

This is the story that the seventh-century Byzantine author Theophylactus Simocatta tells about the origin of the Avars.27 He calls them Pseudo-Avars, who in reality were a band of Ogurs called Varchonites. Empires to be Remembered: Ancient Worlds Through Modern Times. (2022). Germany: Springer Fachmedien Wiesbaden. p. 145. Khazars believe that Togarmah had 10 sons called Ujur , Tauriks , Avar , Uauz , Bizal , Tarna , Khozar , Janur , Balgar and Sabir . These names coincide with different Turkic tribes which settled in the area around the Black and Caspian seas within the Khazarian Empire . Khari, R., 2007. Jats and Gujars. New Delhi: Reference Press, p.21.

the music is similar to traditional Indonesian music

1:54 어디가노ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

@smy2436

3 жыл бұрын

저기 헝가리임?

@user-xp2mt1gi9e

3 жыл бұрын

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㄱㅂㄱㅂㅋ순식간에 동유럽으로 가ㄴ..

@lsh6240

3 жыл бұрын

양승민 헝가리가 되고 유럽 각지의 왕실,귀족가문에 영향을 줬을거란 가설이 있죠 문헌상으로 쟤가 쟤됨으로 정확히 남아있진 않구요

@user-nc5yc9es6j

2 жыл бұрын

돌궐족(투르크)들이 반란을 일으켜서 유연(몽골계 부족연맹)이 망하고 그중에서 일부가 유럽으로 가서 아바르족이 되었다는 가설이 있음.

Wouldn’t Modern Mongolian be Khalkha Mongolian?

The only mistake is Pannonian Avar. We don't know what they were speaking certainly but there are so many Avar genetic results and results make clear that they were more similar to Turkic speakers than Mongolic speakers in their time period.

3:23 🖒

몽골 거란만 나오는데 해족도 몽골계 민족의 일파인데 후손은 어디로 갔지?

Oirat:let me teleports **gets striped immediately** Oirats:**gets exploded when the ming empire expands**

theres something "magical" about the name early pre-proto-mongolic.

@jakubpociecha8819

2 жыл бұрын

Especially considering it's not even that old

Some turks will say in comment section that xianbei is turkic people blablablabla

@dantesun9157

3 жыл бұрын

inglorious turkish，shame on you

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

Tuoba and Yuwen clans of Xianbei are Turkic others are paramongolic or tungusic

@jamglassliquid

3 жыл бұрын

Xianbei were Mongolic and they even fought against xiongnu which were turkic.

@lsh6240

3 жыл бұрын

ziya. It is natural for such conflicts to appear even in the same ethnic group. Didn’t Chinese Han people always divide and fight?

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

@NewKnows xianbei is not turkic but xiongnu is turkic not mongolic Prof. Dr. Nicola Di Cosmo in: The Turks: Early ages, Part 4. Huns (Xiongnu): The Origin and Rise of the Xiongnu Empire, Y. T., 2002, pp.217-227, University of Michigan, ISBN 9756782552, 9789756782552 "There is not much doubt among historians about the Turkish nature of the Great Hun Empire, which ruled between 318 B.C. and 216 A.D., as well as that of its predecessor proto-Huns, whose presence was confirmed by Chinese sources. The Great Hun Empire, the Western Hun Empire and especially the European Huns were examined comprehensively by Western historians."

넘흐좋고

1:54 lets go to EUROPE!

@turkmapping130

3 жыл бұрын

its silly. they are definietly turkic. obvious from the geography difference. never not mongol.

@MatiasMorales-oc7mf

2 жыл бұрын

@@turkmapping130 So the half iranians reach panonia? damn.

What does Para Mongolic mean?

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

Paralel

3:22 wtf 1:54 WTF

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

1:54 Pannonian Avar expansion 3:22 Oirat Kalmyk migration to pontic steppe

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

1:54 is wrong

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam No right, go read recent studies on Avars. They came from Inner Asia (Mongolians steppe) but bring with them some Scythians and Uralic nomads, the core (elite) were asiatic and close to modern mongoians. Their haplogroup N1a is same clade as Buryat (northern mongol) who are 48% N1a of this clade (eastern buryats are 80%)

Аварцы это дагестанский монголы получается

Tuoba and avar are TURKIC khitan and tuyuhun are not MONGOLIC this video is wrong

I just” tread” this video, because I think it mislead people. Mongolian language formed very complexing.

Excellent video, although I have a feeling that languages in this video spread and disappear way too quickly. Unless there is a massive depopulation, people shouldn't assimilate that quickly. BTW, I read that very recently it was proven that Avar language was in fact Mongolic, so if that information is correct, so is your video. Also, Avars did control all the territory as shown, but their language was not spoken in that whole region, since they were mixed with other people they conquered.

@daltonmiller5590

2 жыл бұрын

How did they prove Avar was Mongolic? Where did you see this? Edit, did some searching myself. Found some good evidence for what you're saying. But I'm still skeptical. Do you have any sources of your own? We might have used the same source, because I can't find anything good besides 1 research paper.

@Maus_Indahaus

2 жыл бұрын

@@daltonmiller5590 Sorry, it was few months ago that I read it in an article, so I can't provide any proof. Possibly the same source as yours.

@jihangirastra3851

2 жыл бұрын

@@daltonmiller5590 could you link the research paper here? I’m having a hard time finding it.

@daltonmiller5590

2 жыл бұрын

@@jihangirastra3851 Yeah I tried twice now but the comment doesn't seem to be going through. I think this channel has turned off links for comments, meaning my comments containing the research article link are being automatically deleted. So I'll just go to your channel discussion page and personally submit the link there lol.

@jihangirastra3851

2 жыл бұрын

@@daltonmiller5590 Hi thank you. I think there’s a problem with my discussion page. If you don’t mind, could you just paste what the research paper title was?

1:53 뭐 민족 대이동인가?

@Zorig_2916

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훈족인듯

@barguttobed

11 ай бұрын

Avars

1:53 Rouran go zooooooooom

i think Khitan language was removed from northern China too early. there were still Khitan people up to the Mongol conquest.

@TheDragonHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

The Khitan language actually went extinct earlier. The remaining Khitans spoke Chinese (ruling class), Persian, or Turkic.

@user-nc5yc9es6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDragonHistorian yes the hieraechy may have adopted Chinese earlier. but is there any evidence that even the commoners spoke Chinese? i think Khitan language must have been spoken in northern China at least to a small extent up to13th century like Manchu language which is still spoken though only handful native speakers left. you should've blurred instead of completely removing it from the map.

@user-nc5yc9es6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDragonHistorian the last known person to speak and write Khitan language was Yelü chucai who was born in beijing in 1190 and lived up to 1244. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yel%C3%BC_Chucai

@TheDragonHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, you are right about that. My mistake.

@user-nc5yc9es6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDragonHistorian it was well made though. anyone makes mistakes. waiting for sino-tibetan languages😀😀

You do not know how much these videos mean to me! ❤️ 📚 🌏

Some of the nomadic tribes were turkic in this video

@xanshen9011

3 жыл бұрын

Its heavily debated whether they were turkic or mongolic.

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

@@xanshen9011 expert scholars accepted them as turkic

@xanshen9011

3 жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam Give me links

t is most likely that the ancestors of modern Buryats are Bayyrku and Kurykans who were part of the tribal union of the Tiele. The Tiele, in turn, came from the Dingling. The first information about Dingling appeared in sources from the 2nd century BC.[11]

@username516

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All of them clans ,or Xiongnu , Xianbei , Rouran, Mohe-jurchens, Gogturks, and Mongol empire etc was not monoethnic groups , not one of them , a simple example, the Tungus-Manchurian peoples in the Far East assimilated many of the indigenous peoples of this region, today there is such a people as the Udeges, they are descendants of the Paleo-Siberian population of these lands, today they are such peoples as the Nivkhs, Yukagirs, etc., but even the genetics, of closely related peoples of the Tungus-Manchurian people of the Evenks and Even is different, as well as the Mongols assimilated some of the Tungus and Paleo-Siberian origin of the peoples thats part of history , but the fact that the ancient Turks assimilated many Mongol-speaking clans and communities, but even when they ruled and created their khaganates on these lands, could not assimilate all the Mongol-speaking peoples just as it was with the central asian Iranians, Caucasian peoples, Greeks and other Siberian native peoples, the fact that a couple of few of Mongolian clans assimilated among the ancient Turks does not mean that the Mongols began to speak your language, the same Ashina clan comes from the Xianbei clan, the wolf totem of the ancient Turks itself, and Turkites, he is Mongolian. the word wolf in the Turkic languages ​​will be like "kaskyr" or Iranian "bori" which S.G. Klyashtorny writes, in the Tungus-Manchu languages ​​the wolf goes like "Irgichi" and in the Mongolian languages ​​this word goes like "Chono" "Shono" that says it all about the contacts of our peoples, and not that the Turks or Turkic-speaking lived only alone on these lands.

@papazataklaattiranimam

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@@username516 🤓

@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC

10 ай бұрын

​​@@username516Wolf is Qasqyr in Qazaq. But we have other words as well, such as bori, kurt, canavar. Some (Findley) sugessted that Ashina means blue and has origin in Saka language.

@RandomBestEdits

3 ай бұрын

Wasnt the kurykans ancestors of yakuts and bayrku were buryats and i am also and oirat-buryat

Avars descendant from Rourans?

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

Avars are Turkic tribe who got ruled by Rourans

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

Also Tuoba is Turkic in this video

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_Correspondence Brother read this,even Khazar King Joseph said that Avars are Turks

@fanstargateiloveuniverse

3 жыл бұрын

genetic analyzis prove that avars were descendant from rourans. xiungnu were yenisey and turkic. huns were their descendants with middle and west asian(indo-european) elements. xiungnu conquared the mongolic tribes later. touba were also mongolic.

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

fan Stargate Tuoba is indeed Turkic according to almost every historians not mongolic Even Mahmud Kashgari said this Harvard University Press books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&hl=tr&id=SQWW7QgUH4gC&q=Tuoba#v=snippet&q=Tuoba&f=false books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&hl=tr&id=02rFSecPhEsC&q=Toba#v=snippet&q=Toba&f=false books.google.com.tr/books?id=nBDC2cqb6I0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=harvard+china&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivmf7lh6foAhW2AxAIHdkjCFE4MhDoATACegQIARAT#v=onepage&q=Toba&f=false Northern Wei. As is well known, the ruling clan, the Tabgach (Tuoba), were from the north, outside the Hua ecumene. The Särbi pastoral econ- omy and daily customs were close to those of the Xiongnu, the old nemesis of the Han, and their language, what we have been able to recover of it, was proto-Turkic, with Mongolic elements.22 scholar.harvard.edu/files/elliott/files/critical_han_studies_ch8_elliott.pdf dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33950781/84411377.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Cambridge University Press books.google.com.tr/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Kang-i+Sun+Chang,Stephen+Owen+(2010).+The+Cambridge+History+of+Chinese+Literature&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA5Pj-zqTpAhWjwcQBHWDnAj0Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=turkic&f=false books.google.com.tr/books?id=E4psCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA118&dq=Evelyn+S.+Rawski+(2015).+Early+Modern+China+and+Northeast+Asia.+p.+123.&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiizYak0KTpAhWDwqYKHVrwDrAQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=turkic&f=false books.google.com.tr/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=tabgach+cambridge&source=bl&ots=abjr_lyOA8&sig=ACfU3U2UQNxde9TUoH13RQOBTsrYUKqYIw&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBqsadocbmAhVyDWMBHQ-oBo0Q6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=tabgach%20cambridge&f=false Stanford University Press books.google.com.tr/books?id=wdqoHQRUhAYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=China%27s+imperial+past+:+an+introduction+to+Chinese+history+and+culture&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfp83a0KTpAhVCyaYKHb36CfAQ6AEIJzAA#v=snippet&q=turks&f=false Columbia University Press books.google.com.tr/books?id=cYoHOqC7Yx4C&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=northern+wei+columbia&source=bl&ots=NnCdq-Xurg&sig=ACfU3U3VMcj1MDA2FNVYlPmSeUuguEdajg&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyoIG7lKXqAhXByIUKHQRbCDEQ6AEwCnoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=northern%20wei%20columbia&f=false California University Press books.google.com.tr/books?id=sGwPnNZ6c9IC&pg=PA111&dq=t%27o-pa&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiI-LeKn6XqAhWHxMQBHTVIBqw4ChDoATAEegQIARAc#v=onepage&q=t'o-pa&f=false books.google.com.tr/books?id=CzdICSqnELkC&pg=PR22&dq=t%27o-pa&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiI-LeKn6XqAhWHxMQBHTVIBqw4ChDoATAJegQIARA-#v=onepage&q=Turkish&f=false www.oxfordreference.com/search?q=+the+Turkic+Tuoba+aristocracy+had+produced+some+Xianbei+Turkic+blood+in&searchBtn=Search&isQuickSearch=true scholarworks.iu.edu/journals/index.php/tmr/article/view/21429/27397 A genetic study published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology in November 2007 examined of 17 individuals buried at the Murong Xianbei cemtery in Lamadong, Liaoning, China ca. 300 AD. They were determined to be carriers of the maternal haplogroups B, C, D, F, G2a, Z, M, and J1b1. These haplogroups are common among East Asians, and to a lesser extent Siberians. The maternal haplogroups of the Murong Xianbei were noticibly different from those of the Huns and Tuoba Xianbei.[17]

Hunnu is the Mongolians !!!!!!!

@user-rh7xv5jb6h

3 жыл бұрын

@@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari9649 I need a fact???

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

3 жыл бұрын

Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA80 0.05533515 Bashkir:BAS-120 0.05990198 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 0.06118980 Bashkir:BAS-029 0.06465388 Bashkir:BAS-091 0.06518414 Bashkir:BAS-046 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA74 0.04317297 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 0.04340329 Bashkir:BAS-029 0.04508405 Bashkir:BAS-034 0.04571997 Bashkir:BAS-005 0.04634817 Bashkir:bashkir3 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA73 0.04519389 Bashkir:BAS-120 0.04615025 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 0.04817514 Bashkir:BAS-046 0.04964376 Bashkir:BAS-091 0.05188906 Bashkir:BAS-006 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA72 0.04298365 Bashkir:BAS-120 0.05147676 Bashkir:bashkir9 0.05193652 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 0.05398420 Bashkir:BAS-091 0.05418873 Bashkir:BAS-096 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA69 0.06131625 Uzbek:495_R02C02 0.06246982 Turkmen:TUR013 0.06295519 Bashkir:bashkir9 0.06305724 Bashkir:BAS-120 0.06540455 Uzbek:495_R01C01 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA66 0.04941760 Tatar_Siberian:STA-112 0.04992166 Bashkir:BAS-034 0.05030198 Bashkir:BAS-005 0.05069029 Bashkir:BAS-046 0.05109507 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA65 0.06441883 Bashkir:bashkir8 0.06454222 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 0.06584960 Bashkir:BAS-034 0.06666736 Bashkir:BAS-120 0.06779641 Nogai:NOG-125 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA54 0.04048207 Bashkir:BAS-005 0.04305749 Bashkir:bashkir3 0.04403622 Bashkir:BAS-034 0.04726006 Bashkir:BAS-029 0.04823834 Bashkir:bashkir8 Distance to: Hun_Tian_Shan:DA52 0.05372036 Bashkir:BAS-120 0.05740290 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126 0.05805683 Bashkir:BAS-029 0.06147907 Bashkir:BAS-091 0.06291138 Tatar_Siberian:STA-112 Distance to: MNG_Xiongnu_Central_Asian:DA41 0.06108399 Tatar_Siberian 0.06231494 Nogai 0.06282693 Uygur 0.06548345 Karakalpak 0.06585332 Hazara 0.06614142 Hazara_Afghanistan 0.07146758 Tubalar 0.08132082 Uzbek 0.08210203 Bashkir 0.08566547 Kazakh 0.09118132 Shor_Mountain 0.09178028 Shor 0.09363371 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye 0.09606831 Shor_Khakassia 0.10848495 Khakass 0.11646646 Yukagir_Forest 0.11889523 Kirghiz_China 0.12013174 Kirghiz 0.13261421 Turkmen_Uzbekistan 0.13623327 Tlingit 0.14055425 Kazakh_China 0.14074878 Mansi 0.14114272 Turkmen 0.14551228 Khanty 0.14809688 Khakass_Kachins Distance to: MNG_Xiongnu_Central_Asian:DA38 0.06855033 Tatar_Siberian 0.06925119 Uzbek 0.07192976 Bashkir 0.07292202 Hazara_Afghanistan 0.07777367 Uygur 0.08059425 Hazara 0.08332238 Nogai 0.09622928 Karakalpak 0.10318042 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye 0.10606315 Tubalar 0.11011445 Turkmen_Uzbekistan 0.11764581 Turkmen 0.12223570 Kazakh 0.12239900 Shor_Mountain 0.12286107 Yukagir_Forest 0.12563648 Shor 0.12597342 Shor_Khakassia 0.13202128 Tlingit 0.13398359 Tatar_Lipka 0.14369369 Udmurt 0.14459824 Khakass 0.14501118 Tatar_Crimean_steppe 0.14503753 Bahun 0.14774430 Mansi 0.14886521 Besermyan After the fusion of the A and B sectors, new graves were dug in the west. These graves correspond to a group of genetically linked individuals, since they belong to a single paternal lineage. Interestingly, this paternal lineage has been, at least in part (6 of 7 STRs), found in a present-day Turkish individual (Henke et al. 2001). Moreover, the mtDNA sequence shared by four of these paternal relatives (from graves 46, 52, 54, and 57) were also found in a Turkish individuals (Comas et al. 1996), suggesting a possible Turkish origin of these ancient specimens. Two other individuals buried in the B sector (graves 61 and 90) were characterized by mtDNA sequences found in Turkish people (Calafell 1996; Richards et al. 2000). These data might reflect the emergence at the end of the necropolis of a Turkish component in the Xiongnu tribe. Keyser-Tracqui C, Crubézy E, Ludes B. Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA analysis of a 2,000-year-old necropolis in the Egyin Gol Valley of Mongolia. Am J Hum Genet. 2003 Aug;73(2):247-60. doi: 10.1086/377005. Epub 2003 Jul 10. PMID: 12858290; PMCID: PMC1180365.

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

3 жыл бұрын

Collisions and trade with the Xiongnu , fierce Turkic-speaking nomads of the north and west, began in the life- time of Confucius. “The Emergence of an International System in East Asia.” East Asia at the Center: Four Thousand Years of Engagement with the World, by WARREN I. COHEN, Columbia University Press, NEW YORK, 2000, pp. 1-61. which is about the Han Dynasty general Su Wu, who was captured in 100 b.c. while on a diplomatic mission to the Xiongnu , a Turkic clan in central Asia. “FROM LUN ON AND LUN HOP TO THE GREAT CHINA THEATER, 1922-1925.” Chinatown Opera Theater in North America, by Nancy Yunhwa Rao, University of Illinois Press, Urbana; Chicago; Springfield, 2017, pp. 152-184. The principal invaders in the north were no longer the Turkic Xiongnu , whose confederation had broken up but a nomadic proto- Mongol people known as the Xianbei, who set up states in Gansu on the west and Hebei and Shandong on the east. “Reunification in the Buddhist Age.” China: A New History, Second Enlarged Edition, by John King Fairbank and Merle Goldman, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts; London, England, 2006, pp. 72-87. They aii belong to the Yugus branch of the western Xiongnu group of the Turkic languages, which are part of the Altaic language family. “The Frontier Ground and Peoples of Northwest China.” Familiar Strangers: A History of Muslims in Northwest China, by JONATHAN N. LIPMAN, University of Washington Press, SEATTLE; LONDON, 1997, pp. 3-23. Prof. Dr. Nicola Di Cosmo in: The Turks: Early ages, Part 4. Huns (Xiongnu): The Origin and Rise of the Xiongnu Empire, Y. T., 2002, pp.217-227, University of Michigan, ISBN 9756782552, 9789756782552 "There is not much doubt among historians about the Turkish nature of the Great Hun Empire, which ruled between 318 B.C. and 216 A.D., as well as that of its predecessor proto-Huns, whose presence was confirmed by Chinese sources. The Great Hun Empire, the Western Hun Empire and especially the European Huns were examined comprehensively by Western historians." Land conl icts were also a factor in the frequent clashes from the third century BC onwards between the Chinese Qin and Han Dynasties and the alliance of Turkic nomads, called the Xiongnu people. In the third century BC, the Xiongnu bordered the northwest frontier of Chinese imperial lands, and controlled many of the key trading centers along the land-based routes of the Silk Roads all the way to the Caucasus Mountains. Barbier, E. (2010). The Rise of Cities (from 3000 BC to 1000 AD). In Scarcity and Frontiers: How Economies Have Developed Through Natural Resource Exploitation (pp. 84-156). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511781131.004 It was the Hsiung-nu, a Turkic tribe , who first exerted pressure on the Chinese rulers in the north by capturing Lo-yang in 311 and Ch'ang-an in 316. From this period on, north China was under the sway of non- Chinese rulers. “INITIAL CONTACT AND RESPONSE: BUDDHISM UNDER THE EASTERN CHIN DYNASTY.” Buddhism in China: A Historical Survey, by KENNETH K. S. CH’EN, Princeton University Press, PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY, 1964, pp. 57-93. The northern one was exposed to war¬ ¬ lurgy (bronze is rarely found in late Lungshan), writ fare and aggression from the Turkic Hsiung-nu , Mon¬ ¬ ing, and excellent art. “ASIA.” The History and Geography of Human Genes: Abridged Paperback Edition, by L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza et al., Princeton University Press, PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY, 1994, pp. 195-254. The proto - Turkic Hsiung - nu were now challenged by other alien groups - proto - Tibetans , proto - Mongol tribes called the Hsien - pi, and seperate proto-Turks called the T’o-pa (Toba). China's imperial past : an introduction to Chinese history and culture / Charles O. Hucker. Stanford, Calif. : Stanford University Press, 1975. The Xiongnu became politically dominant in the steppes around 300 BC, and although the linguistic affiliation of the Xiongnu proper is still a matter of dispute, their political confederation certainly contained a significant Turkic component. By both ethnohistorical and linguistic considerations this component may in the first place be identified with the Bulgharic (Bulghar Turkic) branch of Turkic, today represented by the Chuvash language in the Volga region. The Turkic component of the Xiongnu is, however, unambiguously signalled by a number of Bulgharic loanwords in Proto-Samoyedic, such as *yür 'hundred'. The Bulgharic (Proto-Bulgharic) speakers are likely to have entered Southern Siberia , the location of Proto-Samoyedic , not earlier than the last century BC. At the same time, a number of local words, notably *kadï 'conifer' (> Chuvash xïra„ ~ xïr 'birch '), were borrowed from Proto-Samoyedic into Bulgharic. Review: J. Janhunen (ed.),The Mongolic languages, London, New York : Routledge, 2003 An earlier date for the separation of proto-Turkic, preceding 209 BC would support the identification of Xiongnu language with proto-Bulgharic or one of its subgroups, while a later date of separation would make its association with proto-Turkic more plausible. Alexander Savelyev, Martine Robbeets, Bayesian phylolinguistics infers the internal structure and the time-depth of the Turkic language family, Journal of Language Evolution, Volume 5, Issue 1, January 2020 Xiongnu (Pre-Proto-Bulgharic, in Mongolia). Mongolian Vowel Harmony in a Eurasian Context In: International Journal of Eurasian Linguistics Authors: Ian G. Barrere 1 and Juha A. Janhunen University of Helsinki Online Publication Date: 18 Jun 2019 As this time depth coincides with the beginning of the Xiongnu empire (209 BCE-100 CE), the association of Xiongnu with Proto-Bulgharic does not seem unreasonable. However, given the relatively large credible interval involved in the Bayesian dating, the breakup of proto-Turkic may also be connected with the first disintegration of the Xiongnu confederation under influence of the military successes of the Chinese in 127-119 BCE (Mudrak 2009). In sum, the time depth of the breakup of Proto-Turkic can be estimated between 500 BCE and 100 CE. Martine Robbeets, Remco Bouckaert, Bayesian phylolinguistics reveals the internal structure of the Transeurasian family, Journal of Language Evolution, Volume 3, Issue 2, July 2018 The language of the European Huns is sometimes referred to as a Bulghar Turkic variety in general linguistic literature, but caution is needed in establishing its affiliations. The predominant part of the Xiongnu population is likely to have spoken Turkic (Late Proto-Turkic, to be more precise). Cite this article: Savelyev A, Jeong C (2020). Early nomads of the Eastern Steppe and their tentative connections in the West. Evolutionary Human Sciences 2, e20, 1-17. The predecessors of Huihe were Xiongnu. Because, customarily, they ride high-wheeled carts. They were also called Gaoche during the Yuan Wei times, or also called Chile, mistakenly rendered as Tiele. - Xin Tangshu, 232 only the Turkic Gaoju origin of the Hephthalites should be retained as indicative of their primary ethnicity.[82] Weishu, vol. 103 txt: "高車，[...] 其語略與匈奴同而時有小異，或云其先匈奴之甥也", tr: "The Gaoju, [...] their language and the Xiongnu's are similar though differ a little; or to say it differently, they are the sororal nephews/sons-in-laws of the Xiongnu " According to the Book of Wei, the Yuebans' language and customs were the same as the Gaoche, who were Turkic speakers. Yuebans(Weak Xiongnu) cut their hair and trimmed their ghee-smeared, sun-dried, glossy eyebrows evenly, and washed before meals three times everyday.[18][19] Chinese sources link the Tiele people and Ashina to the Xiongnu, According to the Book of Zhou and the History of the Northern Dynasties, the Ashina clan was a component of the Xiongnu confederation.[84][85] Uyghur Khagans claimed descent from the Xiongnu (according to Chinese history Weishu, the founder of the Uyghur Khaganate was descended from a Xiongnu ruler).[86] Both the 7th-century Chinese History of the Northern Dynasties[87] and the Book of Zhou,[88] an inscription in the Sogdian language, report the Göktürks to be a subgroup of the Xiongnu.[89][90] Tiele are originally Xiongnu's splinter stocks. As Tujue are strong and prosperous, all Tiele districts (郡) are divided and scattered, the masses gradually dwindled and weakened. Until the beginning of Wude [era], there have been Xueyantuo, Qibi, Huihe, Dubo, Guligan, Duolange, Pugu, Bayegu, Tongluo, Hun, Sijie, Huxue, Xijie, Adie, Baixi, etc. scattered in the northern wastelands. - Jiu Tangshu, 199, lower The Romans were in turn laid low by Turkic Eurasian pastoral nomads from the east-the Huns, or Juan-Juan in Chinese sources. “From Slavs to Rus.’” The Russian Moment in World History, by Marshall T. Poe, Princeton University Press, Princeton; Oxford, 2003, pp. 10-27.

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-rh7xv5jb6h even juha janhunen who is expert on mongolic languages saying they were not mongolic but turkic

@user-rh7xv5jb6h

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nomadicenjoyerplus The descendants of the Turks are Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan

Do u Mongols watch Ertuğrulu?

Pls thai language

And some burjats deny being mongol [scoff]

Сайн байна! буряадууд урагшаа!

@user-nz7ub8mb3m

2 жыл бұрын

Зуб

The historical Mongols were a federation of heterogenous groups of different nomad peoples of "Tartar" and also Türkish origin. The word "Mongol" is derived from the name of a tribe called Mongɣol or Manqol. Even if the cultural levels of these ethnic groups were different, they had a common language and a common culture which made their unification under the hand of a strong leader easier. In 1206, Temüjin (1155 or 1167-1227) of the Borjigid line of the Mongɣol adopted the title of Great Khan (qaɣan, in Chinese kèhán! 可汗). He is known as Činggis Qaɣan (Genghis Khan). Under his leadership the Mongols destroyed the Western Xia 西夏 (1038-1227) and Jin 金 (1115-1234) empires and conquered central Asia. The successors of Činggis Qaɣan created the largest empire that ever existed in premodern history. Yet this empire soon disintegrated into several states (ulus), one of which was China, ruled by the Yuan dynasty 元 (1279-1368) that was founded by Qubilai Qaɣan (Emperor Shizu 元世祖, r. 1260-1294), a grandson of Činggis.

@barguttobed

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Or the fking panturkish erdogay lye🤣🤣🤣

@papazataklaattiranimam

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@@barguttobed Chinese encyclopedia and Erdoğan???😂

1:54

@turkmapping130

3 жыл бұрын

its silly. they are definietly turkic. obvious from the geography difference. never not mongol.

@turkmapping130

2 жыл бұрын

@Moe Lester so?

Avar is language Proto-Turkic

@papazataklaattiranimam

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@Kalmyk [08] other option to discuss is a historical and cultural - but not linguistic - continuity; this would imply a language shift from the Mongolic-speaking Rourans to the Turkic-speaking Avars at some point of their history. In parallel, both disciplines suggest that at least some of the European Avars were of Eastern Asian ancestry, but neither linguistic nor genetic evidence provides sufficient support for a specific connection between the Avars and the Asian Rourans. Savelyev A, Jeong C (2020). Early nomads of the Eastern Steppe and their tentative connections in the West. Evolutionary Human Sciences 2, e20, 1-17.

Classic and central Mongolian is Halha nation. We speak Halha(mongolic) language. Our nation begin 12th century Kublai khan age. And our Halha khanate founded in 16th century. Batmunk dayan Khan founded Halha Kingdom. He is great grandson of Chinggis Khan

다우르어는 거란어의 하위분류 아닌가요?

@user-uv8xl1qq8g

3 жыл бұрын

다우르어를 사용했던 사람들의 조상이 거란인이라는 정황은 있지만 그것과 별개로 현재의 다우르어는 거란어가 아닌 중세 몽골어로 소급됩니다 정치적인 이유로 다우르인들의 조상이 거란어를 버리고 중세 몽골어를 말하기 시작했고 중세 몽골어가 이후 다우르어로 분화를 겪었을 것으로 보입니다 아일랜드 영어가 영국 영어와는 다르지만 그렇다고 아일랜드 게일어의 직접 후손은 아닌 것과 비슷한 양상이라고 보면 되지 않을까 싶네요

Kazakhs have oirat tribes. Oirats 300 year attack we. First time kazakhs khanate smaller this time oirats relationship after 1500 year oirats attack. 1726 Russian oirats attack

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

Oirats have Turkic Keraite tribes

@username516

Жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam Keraits not Turks .. sad for u .

You didn't include anything about the development of Tuvan!

@TheDragonHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

Tuvan is Turkic, not Mongolic. I encourage you to check out my Turkic Languages video.

@buminkagan5020

3 жыл бұрын

ignorants

I like how the Avar Khaganate just had to be way over there.

@xanshen9011

3 жыл бұрын

The Rouran got overthrown by the Gokturks and so the Avars fled west.

@magentavirus6307

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I know the reasoning behind it. I just forgot how fast they migrated, it caught me off guard!

@buminkagan5020

3 жыл бұрын

​@@magentavirus6307 avars are turkic. its silly. they are definietly turkic. obvious from the geography difference. never not mongol.

@Toktobay987

2 жыл бұрын

@LanguagesPro avars are turkic

@Kubilay3502

2 жыл бұрын

@@magentavirus6307 except European Avars were Turkic as gokturk letters pointed out they were decandants of the oghuric uar and Chunni tribes (biggest tribes of hephalites called Xionites and Var -as mentioned by Khingila I) the hephalites minted coins in the name of yabgu (exclusively Turkic title) depicted themselves as non iranic on their coins and their direct descendants were turkic Shahis and Nezak Shahs whom were turkic. In return these European Avars were pseudo Avars and were in reality Turkic and not related to the Rouran at all.

Rouran just going to europe without permission

It because I am Mong

Europe Avars not mongolic. Its Turkic

吐谷浑是羌族，怎么变成蒙古了

@reddhong6665

3 жыл бұрын

吐谷浑是鲜卑，不是羌族。。吐谷浑是慕容鲜卑的一部。。

@mandarhyme8457

3 жыл бұрын

@@reddhong6665 好吧，那是我搞錯了，我可能想成西夏國了

@maryllthemusicman1318

3 жыл бұрын

你沒錯，吐谷渾的一般平民的確是羌族，只是被鮮卑人佔領且統治，跟旁邊的拓拔北魏一樣。

@jacklim5940

Жыл бұрын

@@reddhong6665 吐谷浑百姓都是氐羌，汉藏语系民族，统治阶级虽然是慕容鲜卑，也早就汉化了。

The reason why these types of videoes are not always accurate is thst the Proto-Mongolic launguage was Uralic decendent used my Donghu people ancestors of Mongols later on after Turkic Xionghu which speaked Altaic Launguage conquered Donghu people they got assimilated when Xionghu collapsed after years of living together and assimilating each other Donghu people became Mongolian people the Mongolic launguage became Uralic-Altaic mixed prodominant Uralic launguage and since these videoes are based of old manuscripts there is a high chance Mongolian launguage getting mixed up with Turkic launguage.

@menniemint7772

9 ай бұрын

Xiongnu vadå!!!! Hunnu Mongols are Mongols!!!! Not turcik!!! turker only dreamer, turker vanna better history, try to steal Mongolian history!!!! We are not brothers also! Today turker are arab, persian mixad people!

Xiunnu is also mongol imperia

@russiaandsouthkoreafriends8253

3 жыл бұрын

But the language is different

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

Nope,he was Turkic empire who spoke Bolgar Turkic

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

Even chinese dynastic books said göktürks originated from Xiongnu,it makes xiongnu turkic

@qfzyhclqujd6530

3 жыл бұрын

@@russiaandsouthkoreafriends8253 its all made in subirians

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

단군예맥 xianbei is not mongolian language,mongolian language is xianbei

Mongolian: I came *Turks left the chat*

@islammehmeov2334

Жыл бұрын

Ironically now TURKIC are more chat than every Mongols TURKIC PEOPLE are more than Mongol people TURKIC COUNTRY'S ARE MORE STRONG 💪 BOTH ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARILY from Mongols)

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

@@islammehmeov2334 Average Mongolian is way stronger physically and more intelligent than all turkics

@islammehmeov2334

Жыл бұрын

@@barguttobed HAHAHAHAHA really then why can't Mongols make there country GRET and STRONG like the TURKS I mean only little TURKIC COUNTRY'S LIKE AZERBAIJAN or KYRGYZSTAN is stronger ECONOMICALLY and MILITARILY then mongolia and don't make me stand on KAZAKHSTAN UZBEKISTAN and of course TURKIYE LoL mongolia wes strong only ones thanks to CENGIZ KHAN ho himself wes TATAR TURKIC before him and after him nowan ever cares about mongols

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

@@islammehmeov2334 Learn speaking English correctly and no need forcing on capital letters🤡

@islammehmeov2334

Жыл бұрын

@@barguttobed and you learn not to be JEALOUS)

Avars were turks, maybe

@aboba5995

Жыл бұрын

no

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

No, mongolic!!!

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Oghur Turks

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam No dna remains of elite avar is exact as Mongolians especially Buryat.

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

@@barguttobed Buryat DNA is mostly Turkic

It was not necessary to ask a question mark at the "Pannonian Avar" in the Balkans. Indeed, the Mongols (Huns and Avars) traveled there and even as far as the west of Europe itself. In Hungarian you can find basic and related words from Mongolian (none from Finnish). Politically, however, it is not appropriate to emphasize this, but Slavic education has it in its curriculum, because the Western Slavs and Franks managed to push out these cruel warriors. The proof is Sam's empire of the Western Slavs, which arose from this victory.

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

Huns were turks (that's written in old turkic book of kipchak turks named shejire) which the Turks had for thousands of years to know the genealogy. Mongol empire's army were 70%turkic

@DL-kc8fc

2 жыл бұрын

@@numeron509 Yes, it would be strange if other armies of other monarchs did not join the Eastern conquerors. However, it is a matter of linguistic kinship. Hungarians and Mongols have some identical expressions. Distinctive ethnic features are "erased" after only three generations (approximately 50 years), if the European "format" prevails ...

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

@@DL-kc8fc But Hungarians are Ugro-Turko people, they were not next to the Mongols. all similar words that they have are most likely Turkisms (words of Turkic origin), for example horde

@DL-kc8fc

2 жыл бұрын

@@numeron509 Try to go further in history. Somewhere in the Gobi Desert, Turkics and Mongol tribes formed and merged. Together they were called Tatars, which today makes it impossible to strictly distinguish between Mongol and Turkics tribes (Mongolia was united under its name only Genghis Khan). It can therefore be said that the Turks are connected with the Mongol tribes, just like the Hungarians. Therefore, you find linguistic kinship elsewhere, but through research through language (it was no different, because the tribes together acted as Tatars), the common origin was located somewhere in southern Mongolia.

@numeron509

2 жыл бұрын

history professors (for example, Ilya Zaitsev) say that the Mongols are not the indigenous people of Mongolia. according to them, the Mongols originally lived in the Amur region, moreover, they were not nomadic. After a long movement of the Turks to the west, the steppe was deserted and the Mongols descended from the forests and became nomads. All words that in one way or another refer to the current Mongolian, including the cattle-breeding sphere, they are all not of Mongolian origin, but of Turkic

This is Hmong land

1940's: *Bye bye Buryats*

Mongolia seems to suck at keeping its languages around

Proto turkic origin is andronovo cultur sinthasta cultur corded war cultur Proto mongols xionglogwa culture hongshang cultur

@suleimanthemagnificent1494

2 жыл бұрын

andronovo not turk. Turks are from altai mountains.

@seljukkaganat8588

2 жыл бұрын

@@suleimanthemagnificent1494 afanaseyvo cultur from altai proto turkic

@suleimanthemagnificent1494

2 жыл бұрын

@@seljukkaganat8588 yes

@seljukkaganat8588

2 жыл бұрын

@Tabgach Turk [𐱃𐰉𐰍𐰲:𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰜] sen proto türkleri moğol mu yapmak mi amaçin xiognou bir iskit ve sibirya kavimlerinin karişimi

@seljukkaganat8588

2 жыл бұрын

@Tabgach Turk [𐱃𐰉𐰍𐰲:𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰜] xiognou büyük çogunluğu iskit saka dir ama sibiryali kavimlere karişmiş dir moğol genetik c den oluşuyor

I enjoyed the video, but I don't think that the Pannonian Avars were Mongolic. The evidence goes against them being Mongolic. I think they were a Hunnic (Oghur Turkic) tribe. We have DNA results of the Pannonian Avars, and they were primarily Y-haplogroups N and Q (all 6 examples tested of their royalty were identified with these haplogroups). These DNA results align much better with a group originating between the eastern side of of the Urals and west of Baikal rather than with a Mongolic tribe. The -ar/ir/ur suffix in tribal names is also the convention of most of the other Oghur Turkic tribes (eg., Khazar, Bulgar, Sabir, Onoghur, and [considered Uralic but strongly Oghur-influenced] Magyar). I think the Pannonian Avars, who were also called Abars, came from somewhere around the river Ob. If the Avars were predominantly Mongolic (and therefore migrated from the east side of Baikal), I would expect their DNA to have been predominantly haplogroup C and mixed with O, like other Mongolic people have (and Kazakhs, who are Turkicized Qara-Khitans and Chagatai Mongols). That wasn't found to be the case.

@barguttobed

2 жыл бұрын

N is found among buryats (78%khori buryats are n1a1) avars were mongolic

@Kubilay3502

2 жыл бұрын

Furthermore we have gokturk letters claiming they were psuedo Avars and mentioning they were oghuric and came from chunni and uar or the biggest tribes of hephalites as mentioned by Khingila when he talked about the Xionites (xioni) and Var, recent evidence has hinted to Hepthalites being oghuric Turkic as opposed to Iranic with the Hepthalites minting coins in the name of Yabgus (exclusive Turkic title), depicting themselves with East Asian features and no beard (no iranic people ever did that) and the fact that the only hunnic decendant sof Hepthalites were Nezak shah's and Turk shahis whom were both Turkic and didn't appear there from now where (or suddenly mass migrated there) whom continued using titles like Tegin and Yabgu.

@Kubilay3502

2 жыл бұрын

Furthermore when have we ever seen Mongols migrate to western lands past the Turkic people if they flee from Turkic conquest they fled east, never west (as the Europeans Avars were supposedly related to rouran with no evidence). Even the modern day kalmyks ended up in the Caucasus in the 1800s precisely because they weren't attacked from the west or north/south by Turks but largely by the Chinese and were pushed north and west and then partially settled by the Russians in volga to expand west against Turkic people.

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

@@barguttobed Buryats have more Turkic blood than Mongolic lol

@barguttobed

Жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam Nooo way, N1a among buryats belongs to mongolic clade not yakut or other

About Wei(Tuoba): When Turkic-speaking Tabghatch conquered China in 386 ce and ruled her for nearly 200 years, they, being minority rulers, elected to take up Chinese writing system and language as the official means of communication with its subject population. They also ended up adopting the writing system to script the Turkic language for their Turkic population resulting into a Xianbei National Language (xnl). This work describes 7 cases of Turkic-rooted Sinitic functional expressions, all featuring the word 的 [d-], supported with historical citations in Chinese documents, believed to be cultural continua of the xnl:

Mongolian really changes rapidly that I thought. N I thought Xianbei was Proto-korenic before.

선비가 흉노의 일파엿다는데 흉노는 몽골어족보다는 투르크어족으로 봐야되나요?

Mongolian should come from Xiongnu（匈奴）, not Xianbei（鲜卑） I am learning Mongolian now and looking for more evidence

@Moonke_Jaeger

2 жыл бұрын

你这是什么意思？你上次不是说你不会忘记天安门而且必定找回民主主义吗。 너 이게 무슨 뜻이야? 너는 지난번에 천안문도 잊지 않고 민주주의도 반드시 되찾겠다고 말했잖아. 上次说要为香港示威加油的是什么? 그럼 홍콩 시위를 응원한다고 말했던건 뭐야? 赞成维吾尔族人独立,欢迎啊。 위구르인들의 독립에 찬성한다니 환영이야. 看你用韩语说怀念刘晓波,你是好人啊。 류샤오보가 그립다고 한국어로 말하는걸 보니 넌 좋은 사람이야. 你用韩文问过"想知道西藏人民是怎么被共产党镇压"的吗? 티베트인들이 어떻게 공산당에 탄압받았는지 알고싶다고 한글로 물어보았구나? 在这里见到"法轮功"修炼者,真高兴。 对下一个集结地应该很清楚吧? 여기서 파룬궁 수련자를 만나다니 정말 반가워. 다음 집결지는 잘 알고 있겠지? 习近平领导的反对独裁"的演讲用韩文写的好听了。 现在是付诸行动的时候了。 시진핑의 독재에 반대한다는 내용의 한글로 쓴 연설 잘 들었어. 이제는 행동으로 옮길 때야. 我们的秘密协会知道，看过这篇文章的所有同志都是以中国政权垮台为目标的同志 如果我们保持耐心。中国政权将崩溃。 이 글을 본 동지들은 모두 중국 정권 붕괴를 노리는 동지들인것을 우리 비밀결사대는 알고있다. 앞으로 조금만 참으면 중국 정권은 붕괴된다. 天安门相关活动进展顺利。 천안문 관련 활동은 잘 되어가고 있어. 小心被当局逮住。工作一结束手机就销毁。 당국에 걸리지 않도록 조심해. 일이 끝나면 핸드폰은 파기하도록 해. 我同意你的看法. 中华民国才是治理中华大陆的唯一政府, 不是你们的共产匪賊. 중화민국이 중국의 유일한 합법정권이라는 당신의 의견에 동의하오. 由于您的努力，朝鲜族解放联盟现在比以往任何时候都更加强大. 我们必须在公安发现之前采取行动. 당신의 공로 덕에 조선족 해방연맹은 어느 때보다도 강하오. 공안이 알아차리기 전에 행동해야 할 거요. 在您的努力下，将中国朝鲜族从共产党中解放出来并不遥远。 당신 덕에 중국 공산당으로부터 조선족들을 해방시킬 날이 멀지 않았소. 您在申请满洲独立联盟方面取得了进展吗？ 만주해방연맹 청원 진행에 성과가 있었소? 同志,说地暗杀习主席地阴谋进行地很顺利吗? 동지, 시 주석 암살 모의는 잘 진행되고 있소? (번외) 你为什么隐藏了对武汉的访问？ 너 왜 우한 안 갔다고 거짓말했어?

@Yoon_seo30

5 ай бұрын

In the recent opinion of historians, the Xiongnu is a confederation of Mongolic and Turkic peoples

Казахи есть.? Больше нет

Is it true that the Proto-Koreanic speaking Lyolyeong Bronze Dagger Culture shares some linguistic and genetic DNA from the Donghu and the Xianbei?

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

NO

@kawalangdalawahan

Жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam then who is the ancestor of the koreanic peoples?

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

@@kawalangdalawahan Proto-Koreanics :)

@menniemint7772

9 ай бұрын

@@kawalangdalawahankorean people same manchu!!!! horchin manchu! actually koreaner fron china 🇨🇳 even Japan have same 🧬 dna

@menniemint7772

9 ай бұрын

Nop Korea have same dna 🧬 som china 🇨🇳