Seeing a REAL fleet again was the cherry on top of a killer first episode! Hope we see some Parliament and Cali classes turn up at some point.

@gyorgyor7765

2 жыл бұрын

I found most of the first episode dull.

@dc-4ever201

2 жыл бұрын

Well at least it wasn't a "cut and paste" fleet like the first seasons one.

@chasethevioletsun9996

2 жыл бұрын

Would adore seeing a Parliament class. I think its my second favorite after the Neo-Constitution. Edit: make that third, the Protostar is the hottest ship in Trek.

@xifyction1175

2 жыл бұрын

Starfleet already encountered the Borg many many times and they still get fcked right up in the 4ss when meeting them.

Cannot watch this episode enough, 3 times already! And I love Dalé! I think Archer has competition for my new favourite Captain. Season 2 has started strong all round.

@DarkDragon1989

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen the episode four times already and it won't be the last before episode 2 comes out. ^^

@DavidKnowles0

2 жыл бұрын

I do wonder if they will announce a Stargazer show. Production on Picard has ended and enter into post production meaning their no show set in the 25th century.

@DarkDragon1989

2 жыл бұрын

@David Knowles Yes please. I would love to see a Stargazer Series, with Captain Rios. That would be Awesome.

@TCTurner

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarkDragon1989 Be good to keep the crew together, even if Picard moves on. Just call it Stargazer... or would people lose it again like with Enterprise? 😂

I'm kinda sad that there weren't any Defiant class vessels

It would have been great to see the California class get hit by a beam from the Borg ship and then turn around and warp out

Question. How long do StarFleet ships last? Because I see some models lasting 100 years and some lasting 10 years.

@shanenolan8252

2 жыл бұрын

It deepens, but in the real world, the British royal navy flagship from the napoleonic wars hms victory is still a float, admiral Nelson's ship at Trafalgar ( and apparently a picard was at Trafalgar) ( geneations ) i think that is the excelsior just refit several times. But ww2 aircraft carrier intrepid is a museum ship 70 something years old. No oxygen on space so no rust .

@Arcboltkonrad13

2 жыл бұрын

Most ships in Star Trek (at least from TNG lore) are designed to last multiple decades. The Galaxy class, for instance, was designed with the intent it would be in use for at least 100 years, with the ship returning to space dock every 5-10 years for refit and clean up.

@shanenolan8252

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arcboltkonrad13 yes nebula class as well i think ( 24 century constitution and miranda) equivalent

@MrBottlecapBill

2 жыл бұрын

It's like the modern world with automobiles. Some will be lemons and vanish quickly, some will stick around a long time because their design withstood the test of time, some will become classics.

@CJ-442

2 жыл бұрын

Theoretically, they could last for centuries. For reference, the US Navy’s Nimitz-class aircraft carriers are expected to have a service life of over 50 years, only docking for refueling once after 25 years or so. Ships in Star Trek are in space, so the amount of corrosive elements that they’d be exposed to would be practically nothing. Assuming the space frame is still undamaged, all you’d have to do is replace the old components with newer ones. I assume that after a decade or so, they’d quit building new ships of a particular design like the Miranda or Excelsior, but keep making parts and upgrades for them so long as the active numbers are high. However, once enough of them become decommissioned or destroyed, they’d quit updating the few still in service and retire them and replace them with a brand new class. For example, maybe enough Mirandas got destroyed during the Dominion War that the few that made it out were replaced with the Reliants we see on screen now (or maybe the Parliament we see in Lower Decks).

Being an academy ship, I would not doubt that it is the NCC-2000 just with a big refit.

@TheGreenElbow

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, they make a big shout multiple times about the Excelsior there's no reason to believe at this point that it's not the same ship just refit, only timeline logic stands in the way but as you say it's an academy ship, maintained well and kept up to date as time goes by, that's far more interesting too than just "new ship with same name"

@Nimmy82MD

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreenElbow it's not the same ship. It even has a different registry number.

Thanks for highlighting the Stargazer Easter eggs in the ready room. Hope one appears in SNW, that would be a good link. Curious to know if all the shows will have crossover links through some anomaly/time travel/alternate universe explorations.

I like the Idea of a new stargazer, but the registry should've been NCC-2893-A, since it is more common that whenever a ships name is recalled and that name has and important legacy to keep the registry and and the corresponding alphabet letter, instead of the less common practice of recalling the name and give a new registry like in the case of the Defiant from DS9 and the one from TOS. And do like the was done on Discovery the NCC-74656-J, USS Voyager, and other ships in the past like the different Enterprises, and the Excalibur, Ambassador Class and the Excalibur-A, Galaxy Class from the novel expanded universe.

@withershin

2 жыл бұрын

I actually like this change. I was always okay with the Enterprise having letters but the Defiant not. I actually felt like the Voyager-J was a nod to the Enterprise-J otherwise, they were getting like 80 years per Voyager ship: just go with the math. That "-J" didn't really make sense to me unless the Voyagers are Excelsior-Tough­™. I don't think "re-fit" was a throw-away line either in the first episode regarding the Stargazer.

Registration for the excelsior was NCC 2000, it’s seen on an information screen earlier in the show when the cadets are being assigned ships. This has to be the same Excelsior ship, or surely it would have a different prefix

@dougdax

2 жыл бұрын

That was a museum or memorial of some kind, that's Sulu's Excelsior, not Musiker's.

@JayStrang1

2 жыл бұрын

Those seemed to be a memorial display. They included Picard's Stargazer and few other recognizable ships of the past.

The name "Leon De Grance" is the name of the character Patrick Stewart played in the movie "Excalibur" btw a bit of movie trivia. Also on the Excelsior I'm pretty sure it's the original and whilst the external hull is probably all that's left of the original ship the insides having been gutted and retrofitted a number of times over her long and distinguished career.

I think the Excelsior has red buzzard collectors where the Excelsior class and the refit has blue so I think its been given the Obena class style refit.

The registration number on this USS Excelsior is NCC 2000. If it was a different ship it should have a prefix -A or a different serial number.

04:14. Space is circled. No ship selected.

When kid Picard was looking up at the sky and the camera zoomed out into the stars to the anomaly opening there was a song playing. Out of curiosity, anyone know what it is called?

As a fan and supporter of Clear Skies, wanted to say thanks for the Shout out. A few other channels that I looked at when talking about the ships, didnt mention the RPG link. For a bit more info: Clear Skies, uses the Star Trek Adventures RPG books by Modiphius Entertainment. The show included having the ship use two warp cores and holographic first officer (Similar to Voyager's Doctor). If you ever need more Star Trek, (although not Canon), you should check it out over on QueueTimes.

5:31 Agreed: for its spaceframe and given the age of the Excelsior class, it makes more sense that this is an Obena-class ship carrying the name Excelsior

@TheGreenElbow

2 жыл бұрын

It would make more sense however it doesn't appear to be an Obena class, it definitely looks to be an actual Excelsior class ship.

@hellfish2309

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreenElbow looks too big to be an an actual, century-old model Excelsior class

@Nimmy82MD

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreenElbow nope, doesn't look like an excelsior class.

That USS Excelsior is the NCC-47038. Excelsior II class starship

@Barbariandisks

2 жыл бұрын

I had the registry wrong, its 42037

Fancy new ship after fancy new ship, and in the back is the Miranda. "I'm still here!"

Picard season 2 is off to a great start!

Just a shame they didn't make the Vesta or the Buran classes cannon. Side note, I wonder if the Excelsior was more an Obena class, featured in lower decks?

@wilson359

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 Yeah I found out a few days later about that.

Patric Stewart played the character leon degrant in excalibur the father of queen guinevere king Arthur's wife and a knight of the round table. ( fine easter egg)

My favorite ship of all time, the Sutherland, is now canon!

Brilliant start to a new season.

Trek Brass - "Shoot maybe we should have had more ships" Trek CG Team(s) - "Sweet! We'll be ready for season 2. Trust us."

Maybe it's just me but the Stargazer looks like a pregnant X wing..lol

They were probably expecting another Voyager to fly out of it

This is nitpicking I know, but still… Is there a meaning behind the numbering of new starships other than just sequential order? The “8” in the first position of the new registry number of the USS Stargazer goes against the original convention. Shouldn’t the new Stargazer be named “NCC-2893-A” (or 2893-B if your speculation about a third ship is true) as the original was destroyed by Picard in ST:TNG.

@DavidFerriday

2 жыл бұрын

The original Stargazer was recovered. It might be around in some limited capacity explaining the new registry.

@greengreeneya2102

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Enterprise and Voyager are the only ones that keep their registry with letter addition. It is not something that is normaly done in Federation. Only famous legacy ships.

BRO LOVE THIS REVIEW. SOME Critiques maybe talk a little slower, because your giving a whole lotta info fast, and I would have loved to see more images of the ships you were talking about as you were talking about them. But thank you, you just dropped a ton of star trek lore I didn't know much about. I loved seeing a proper fleet I do not know what they were thinking in season 1. well they were thinking copy and paste will save a lot of time.

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@christianmerciari6174

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrekCentral Amazing topic but l agree, please talk a bit slower and pronounce your words in a clearer fashion. Your videos would be enjoyed that much more.

@DrewOdum

2 жыл бұрын

@@christianmerciari6174 Agreed, and using a more natural speech pattern would help. Enjoyed the content!

I didn't think uss Ross when I saw that ship. My first thought was Andrew proberts enterprise c concept, Narendra class in beta cannon.

that excelsiors clearly had some major work done on it cause those arent stock nacelles; deflector too

I'd love to see videos on the STO ships since I never played the game (even though I bought it in 2010).

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

We’ll see what we can do! :) - Jack 🖖

The fleet we all needed to see finally. I'm going to be angry if we don't see an Odyssey class at some point on Picard. At the very least we need the Enterprise to be seen even if its still Enterprise E. I'm confused about Excelsior though. It looks like Rafi is commanding it? A Commander commanding an Excelsior class ship? Strange to me. Also the cadets we see being given their assignments when Elnor is assigned to Excelsior...I'm assuming he's still a cadets on a training ship. It would make sense a Commander being the captain of a training ship but why would they be sent to such a obviously dangerous situation? There were plenty of ships there. I seriously doubt one Excelsior class ship full of cadets could make enough difference to send them out there. Regardless of the technology the ship has been retrofitted with.

I have one question but its not about the ships. the uniforms starfleet are wearing is similar to next generation ones but they changed to the grey tops instead of colour at the end of voyager and in the star trek movies so why has the uniforms gone back to the coloured ones.

Pretty sure that is an Obena-class Excelsior, its too large to be Excelsior class and the nacelles are completely different (although different from the Archimedes as well).

@TheGreenElbow

2 жыл бұрын

Far too many differences to be an Obena class I thinl. Smooth secondary hull, angular nacelle struts, as you say wrong nacelles entirely though much closer to the Excelsiors. It seems to be an Excelsior class with new nacelles to me. My money is on a simple refit Excelsior class. The scale is odd though, could simply be an error, wouldn't be the first time. I hope we get a better look at it to learn more. Either way it was great to see. As was the Archimedes.

@chasethevioletsun9996

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreenElbow may be a successor to the Obena, as the saucur section is rounded rather than ovoid. I do hope the producers clarify!

there's a steamrunner class

It is now confirmed that the excelsior is a new variant of excelsior class, and this is a different ship

not seeing a 25th century space canoe makes me sad

I'm surprised they didn't copy and paste the ships again.

Very nice video. Would be nice if you could speak a little slower. At times, a bit tough to follow. But nice!

@garrettbodwell61

2 жыл бұрын

If you go into your settings, you can adjust the speed in which the video plays. That should help.

Hey that a baton ( stick ) it was odd i think thats an army thing for a general or field marshal. Peace and long lide

I can understand some of the ships either new or upgraded have borg tech but all of them? doesn't make sense to me.

JACK nice to hear you

Hopefully the Borg survive the auto destruct!

My favorite starship is from deep space nine the defiant

What’s up with the queen tho? Is that a suit she’s got on? It certainly is new

As someone who suffers from dyslexia, I can relate directly to this video.

1:12 did you see the sovereign ship?

gif Norway class now

But they now use Borg technology ?

@TheGreenElbow

2 жыл бұрын

Voyager was doing that back in the 2370's

😳 Wow. Star Trek starships look better than ever, I think... 🤔 😏

this first episode felt like a soft reboot.

0:16 could just be the accent but it almost sounds like he said "starGATE universe"

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah, it’s the accent don’t worry, though we do like Stargate here ;) - Jack 🖖

U ss nebula class

Nice to see the *Uss Copy Paste* Fleet isn't in season 2

@NtDs90

2 жыл бұрын

I actually liked the new ship from season 1. But yes a few different ship designs would have been nice.

@TheGreenElbow

2 жыл бұрын

This felt like a Federation Fleet... finally.

Jack Starfleet has built more Sovereign-class starships.

You think starfleet got their borg tech from scavenging the borg artifact cube from Picard Season 1?!? *cough* Voyager! *cough*

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Voyager likely helped, but we have direct confirmation from Seven in the episode. - Jack 🖖

🤔 By the way, is there an OFFICIAL list of all the classes of starships somewhere? 🤨

I would like to se in cannon the California class 8D

Also why would they have the original Stargazer in a museum or listed as a important ship? Picard didn't do anything special while commanding it did he? Not knocking the Picard maneuver but it wasn't historical or anything as far as I know.

I hope I never see an Odyssey class Enterprise. That is not an attractive ship. Reminds me of a large mouth bass for some reason

It also seems the team of STO have been working on the Stargazer ship. The Luna & Sovereign classes are high likely models from STO too :) The game is taking place between 2409-2411. There's high chance they'll be using some of the arcs in the future and hopefully get canonized.

🙂

Hiraku Sulu? Or Hikaru Sulu

Patrick Stewart played Leon de Grant in the movie Excalibur. Maybe that is why the one starship model was the Leon de Grant.

I swear Stargazer is a kitbash of the Buran.

@nightlock-cf3br

2 жыл бұрын

Much better looking though I'd say

🙂👍🏽🖖🏽📽

@johnballard5547

2 жыл бұрын

🖖🏽

Hmmm why didn’t they add an Odyssey-Class?

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they are saving the Odyssey class? Who knows? - Dom

@curtisharvey2330

Жыл бұрын

@@TrekCentral ay

Second!

First

I wish the series would explain two things now. 1) Why the Stargazer's registry is different and not an appropriate -A or B, C,etc....2) The U.S.S. Excelsior still the same physical ship????? How would that be possible, the ship would be Almost 200 years old.

@greengreeneya2102

2 жыл бұрын

Only legacy famous ships can keep their registry number with letter addition. Only known ships are Enterprise and Voyager. All other ships always have new registry. Excelsior is a new ship with the same name.

@Nimmy82MD

2 жыл бұрын

it's a different excelsior, not the same ship.

Do you really need a clickbait title for this?-

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, they are hidden, especially to the casual viewer who does not know where / what these ships are. Could easily do some toxic clickbait, but we’re not about that :) - Jack

Yea way to much intro word salad…

What the hell is it with smoking a cigar? ON THE BRIDGE? DURING DUTY? Really? REALLY REALLY? And I do not like that design of the Borg ship.

I love your channel and the content but please, PLEASE get your teeth fixed. It will be well worth it in helping you communicate what you trying to say. It’s such a shame… its just some dental work. Get it done!

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Luke! While it does not cause me pain or bother me, I’m not in a rush to spend the money to make something simply “look better” :) - Jack 🖖

@Bleepurchin

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrekCentral Hi Jack, it's not about looking better its about 'sounding better' and being more effective in communicating what is some seriously great content. Money well spent if it elevates this channel ...but just an observation.

Whew, tiring trying to keep up with your Shapiro speed delivery. And it causes you to mispronounce Sulu’s first name. Hikaru, not Hiraku.

bet you 100 bucks the borg queen assimilated the red angel. or the borg queen is burnham. urgh. hacks.

Lot of bla bla for a simple list

@TrekCentral

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the details about each ship, I:E relevant information? Okay 😅 - Jack