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Overall, this is a good video of the history of the tiltrotor, with a lot of valuable original footage. However, I AGREE with the comments about the clickbait title. I was expecting you to cover the later history as well, when the V-22 had a number of crashes, and for you to cover the reasons why. As a helicopter and airplane pilot and aeronautical design engineer, I think you should have titled it 'The Early and Foundational History of the V-22 Osprey', since you did not cover any deadly design considerations of the later history.

@aerospacenews

24 күн бұрын

I appreciate the polite comment and constructive feedback. That always lands well. Especially with your background. The original trailer for the film indeed does have the title (more or less) you suggested. Sadly, KZread is not showing it to anyone anymore. It was uploaded in 2006: > kzread.info/dash/bejne/o32ZyNF8kdnIoso.html In an effort to renew interest, recently the title and thumbnail were tweaked. Still, next to nothing, for a video that originally had over 20,000 views. To be clear, this video was a re-mastering of the entire film promoted by that trailer (original title was Tiltrotor and the Future). When I produced this film it was the first and only independent hour long documentary on the history and development of tiltrotor technology and the backstory on the V-22 Osprey (JVX) program. So this remastered version was never intended to include the crash investigations, only to explain the very clear statement in the thumbnail: It was supposed to be safe. And yet, 63 people have died in Osprey crashes. That's why the thumb and title are structured as they are. If you watched the entire video you could tell the younger version of me (this was made in 1987!) really expected the V-22 Osprey (and the promised civil tiltrotors) to be very safe aircraft. I've been, and remain, pretty shocked that they have not had better safety records. Nonetheless, according to the USMC, Osprey's safety record (accident rate) is about average for their fleet. Again, I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful comment and feedback. I really do.

@rogerpotts8453

12 күн бұрын

The Pax River crash was a lack of fuel and an overload of passengers and camera passes up the ruver

I worked drive systems test at Bell helicopter in the 90s. The most interesting work ever!

@aerospacenews

27 күн бұрын

Wow, appreciate you watching and sharing that. As you can tell from my tone when I made this I was kinda impressed with the entire effort, from XV-3 to V-22. All the safety features that were supposed to be built in never addressed other issues like vortex ring, etc. But that is flight test and pushing the boundaries of how we make and operate flying machines, right? I don't mean vortex ring was unknown. I mean it was not known to be an issue of special concern on V-22 during the phase covered by this film (again, produced in 1987). We (the public) thought it would be especially safe. It turned out to be a typical new aircraft. Literally. The safety stats are more or less in line with other USMC aircraft. People have died, and each one was one too many, but to treat this aircraft like some failure because of it is denying reality.

Some incredible older footage of early prototypes and predecessors of the V-22. This truly is some of the history of this form of aircraft . The inclusion of interviews with some of the important players in the development and championing of this technology is key to understanding the who, why and how we got to where we are with tiltrotors and specifically the V-22. Thanks for bringing this forward to remind us

@aerospacenews

26 күн бұрын

Many thanks for the appreciation of the incredible archival footage of not only the earliest editions of tiltrotors like the XV-3 and XV-15, but some of the competing concepts like tiltwing and fan-in-wing.

Nice! I got to crawl around inside a USMC Osprey at AirVenture some years ago and had a chat with some of the crew members. Fascinating piece of kit.

@aerospacenews

27 күн бұрын

It is not in this video sadly, but as a result of my work on this film and two magazine articles I got to see the XV-15 fly at NASA Ames and attend the rollout of the V-22 Osprey prototype in Texas.

very interesting

very cool

I grew up under the flight path for Moffett Field. (Where Ames lives.} I saw the XV15 a LOT. steve

Why not build an aircraft around a proven engine like the Harriers use(d) or the F35B? I've always felt that this concept was like trying to force one tech (helicopters) into another one (rotor airplane) - too many moving parts. I know this is an older film but I suppose the question is still true. Maybe those engines aren't powerful enough to lift/move what an Osprey V22 can for all I know (and I know little about flying except I am totally ticked off that the 747 is basically gone - the only plane I have felt safe flying in).

@aerospacenews

27 күн бұрын

The engine itself is the least concern on the V-22 Osprey. Harrier-style jet lift flight is not currently suitable for cargo/transport role at all. The narrow, high velocity and very hot exhaust is unworkable. Tiltrotors like V-22 and upcoming V-280 Valor face a similar issue but to a lesser extent. Helicopters are a clear win when it comes to hovering. They lose on cruise efficiency, vibration, noise and range, however. Everything is a compromise in engineering.

@robertjohnson9884

17 күн бұрын

Check JAL flight 123.

@brownj2

14 күн бұрын

@@aerospacenews if hot vertical gasses were the issue the harrier and later the F35 would be problematic.

@tubeyou222100

13 күн бұрын

The development of the harrier was dicey as well several test pilots lost their lives during it's development one being sucked out of the cockpit and through the engine due to a poorly designed cockpit😢!

yep. the history danger is well hidden...

The history was never hidden. One of the very first issues was engineering the controls. Collective vs propeller was very difficult. Rotary pilots wanted to pull it like a collective. It was a push function as designed like a propeller control. That caused a few of the early crashes. But none of these things were hidden from the public.

@aerospacenews

24 күн бұрын

I do remember the discussion of, "how do you design the controls?" Like a helicopter? Or airplane? The FAA said they were treating it like a powered lift aircraft if memory serves. Not airplane or helicopter. Hidden does not imply conspiracy - only that most viewers today are unaware of the backstory. Unless someone is an industry or service insider, or, huge aviation history fan, they most likely have never heard of the XV-3 or XV-15.

@cudatom9290

22 күн бұрын

@@aerospacenews Hidden; kept out of sight; concealed. Unaware; having no knowledge of a situation or fact.

@aerospacenews

22 күн бұрын

From Merriam-Webster: hidden 1. being out of sight or not readily apparent : CONCEALED 2. OBSCURE, UNEXPLAINED, UNDISCLOSED Odd that the source I cite (and can be confirmed) says, "being out of sight or not readily apparent," yet the version you offer says, "kept out of sight." Very curious. Anyway, it is clear that in common English usage something that is unknown, no matter the reason, may be considered hidden from awareness or view. Source: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hidden#dictionary-entry-1

How many Marines have died in them?

Love watching the tilt rotors while taxing. Just watching them rotate back and forth to control forward and reverse. Just anamazing aircraft. Just wish that Boeing and Mcdonald Douglas merger never happened... That was the beginning of the end of Boeing reliability and trust 🙄🤣

@aerospacenews

27 күн бұрын

That merger was certainly a plot twist. After the AV-8 Harriers the tiltrotors were the most sci-fi looking flying machines to come along I think.

Off the shelf is why it was a waste horrible airframe

@aerospacenews

25 күн бұрын

OTS components you think are at the heart of the problems? I've spoken to Marines about the aircraft and while their opinions are a mix of pro and con, nobody has blamed the OTS bits for the issues.

I don’t think that’s a fair video title. In terms of the technology in transitioning from vertical to horizontal flight and vice versa, compared against the known horizontal propeller type of some 121 years of knowledge, there’s still design and safety engineering to be perfected.

@aerospacenews

25 күн бұрын

I appreciate you making your point so politely. I really do. And I hear you. Please read on to my last point at the bottom. It is a real struggle to capture the point which is, if you watched all the way through, there was so much effort put into making this aircraft really safe - even in combat. Yet the record is very clear: Ospreys have been involved in multiple fatal accidents. That makes Osprey a deadly aircraft. If you watched, you can tell I'm not an Osprey or tiltrotor hater. When I made this in 1987 in fact I may have been too enthusiastic about them, but I was pretty young and green. One of the definitions of the word deadly is, "... capable of producing death." The record: As of November 2023, 16 V-22 Ospreys have been damaged beyond repair in accidents that have killed a total of 62 people. My last point is that I agree with your sentiment. Even with the accident record above, according to the USMC, Osprey has a pretty typical or average accident rate. Which is amazing in a sense given how revolutionary it is.

Very misleading title. I would ahve watched this if the title were honest, but as it stands I'd rather jsut not watch any of your videos because I prefer to avoid clickbait nonsense.

@aerospacenews

26 күн бұрын

Hysterical comment. As in, laughable. And pretty transparently a sock puppet account for the other person who left a comment with similar wording. Both accounts have zero content - coincidence? Back up your false claim with a single bit of evidence? The video does a DEEP DIVE into the technology and systems that were SUPPOSED TO MAKE IT VERY SAFE AND SURVIVABLE, that nearly nobody knows about today. And yet many people have died flying the V-22. Exactly what the title and thumbnail promise. There are exclusive interviews with people that worked and tested these systems who have passed away. Nobody will ever interview them. So this is history that is largely unseen.

@mrbojinkles22

26 күн бұрын

@@aerospacenews Interesting. Does content lend to validity in some way? Could it be entirely possible that your target audience is irritated with the misleading title of your video? Certainly not, surely you should not allow such indiscriminate spam from dissentful mongrels in your comments! We're clearly wrong! You've obviously outlined the safety issues and crash histories of the Osprey throughout this video you painstakingly created yourself! The deadly history is plain to any individual watching!

The troubled development of this aircraft was on display for the world to see. TLDR no view from me and channel blocked. CLICKBAIT DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE.

@aerospacenews

27 күн бұрын

No! I'm breaking up with you! TLDR: Tell me you did not watch the contents of this video produced before all the problems encountered (in 1987 before the actual V-22's first flight) without telling me you did not watch the video and made a judgement and formed an opinion without a single fact in mind. The video, delivering on the promise of the thumbnail, explains in detail the technology and systems that were supposed to make this one of the safest of modern aircraft. It did not turn out that way. Classic internet comment.

@YouShallBeTrolled

26 күн бұрын

They did a good job making this video. It is not click bait he deliverd what the thumbnail said.