So, the war against Ukraine is just "the same old, same old."

@gisha6791

2 жыл бұрын

yes. Russians has been as-holes for centuries

I read on my family history book that one of my distant grandfathers of my fathers side, during the great wrath, when he heard the russians are coming, he put up a feast with food and a lot of booze on the table, and then hid in the basement. Russians arrived, started eating and drinking untill all of them had passed out. He then, emerged from the basement with an axe and one by one chopped their heads off. Then he loaded the bodies on a single boat and pushed it down the kemijoki river.

@IrishinFinland

2 жыл бұрын

That would do it! ✊🏻✊🏻

@stupidchukhna3111

2 жыл бұрын

what an absolute based chad

@jrsgarage7623

2 жыл бұрын

He sounds clever like me..

Big respect for covering this topic, I too had ancestors who fought and died during the Isoviha. And a few died in the Hailuoto Massacre as well.

This clarifies why Finns have a certain attitude towards Russians...

@Anttimation

2 жыл бұрын

For some reason, throughout history, people have not been fond of being massacred and sold to slavery...

@catherine8889

2 жыл бұрын

The Great Wrath was like in the 18th century, mate

@northstar2621

2 жыл бұрын

@@catherine8889 Stuff like that isn't that easily forgotten 🤷‍♀️

@Customi207

2 жыл бұрын

@@catherine8889 Yes, but it has been like this allways. This is just one incident. I love russian people, but hate Russia.

@herramirtsaaja9032

Жыл бұрын

If events like these were a reason, finland would also hate sweden Propaganda plays a much bigger role

One of my distant grandfathers was one of the teenage boys that were captured and headed for slavery in Russia. But somehow he escaped as they were being marched across Finland towards the Russian border. He later settled in the Karelia area. Then 200 yrs later the Russians took his family's land after the Winter War.

@IrishinFinland

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, incredible how he got away!

@jrsgarage7623

2 жыл бұрын

Vainamoinen

About 10% of population of finland sold as slaves that time. Koivu ja tähti(birch and star) by Sakari Topelius is story about those kids who sold as slaves find back home. Most of them never find back. Also finlands gulf of bothnia side cleared by russian cossack from population about 100 kilometers from sea basicly completely. Mans and old people killed and kids or pretty girls sold as slaves.

Good video, I would like to point out that if you would mention the percentages of the population, it could give maybe a better picture. In the year 1770 the population of the whole of Finland is estimated to be around 580 000 people. Basically, it was a genocide.

I live near Neitvuori, which is another national landscape, and one of the highest points in Southern Savonia. Before it was known as Hiidenvuori but, according to legend, it was renamed after a young neito (a maiden) jumped to her death there rather than be captured by the russians chasing her.

In Raahe(Brahestad), there is a tombstone of a woman who suffered hard during that time. His eyes were burned with candle wax, meaning he was blind, and he was whipped so badly that the scars were visible in the body after 60 years, his feet were also burned in the oven, wrote the priest of Raahe who blessed this body later. all of these can be read in the archives of Raahe Church. that is, this woman lived a long but blind and painful life because of these Russians.

@stupidchukhna3111

2 жыл бұрын

this is my many greats-grandmother, marjatta heikintytär

I went digging around in my family tree on my grandmother's side not too long ago and discovered that a relative from there was tortured and burned alive by the Russians on the 15th of December 1714 in Alajärvi, Southern Ostrobothnia. No further info or details on the event or other aspects of his life before then, unfortunately.

@IrishinFinland

2 жыл бұрын

Damn, that's awful, what sort of resources did you use to go digging for information like that?

@jokemon9547

2 жыл бұрын

@@IrishinFinland I had an old heritage study done on my grandmother from the 90s. From that study I took names and discovered more relatives and people going further back in time online. Many of those were not mentioned in the study itself. The main site I discovered these people, including the man I discussed, was geni.

@jrsgarage7623

2 жыл бұрын

They changed their names . my dad's side used Wilhelm to get thru borders as alias and moms side changed to Matson. So I found several generations of ordained Holy men. My cuz told me. We all were plauged whole life till now I feel reborn my eyes are open after 44 years of torment.

Thank you for making these informative and well-researched videos. Some of the best content about Finnish history and mythology in KZread. You are doing a much better job at research and fact checking than some channels that have millions of subscribers.

@IrishinFinland

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it, but it's all thanks to the subscribers here! They point me in the right direction! ✊🏻

@pauli2951

2 жыл бұрын

@@IrishinFinland Nah, you are just making great videos. Respect!

Such a heartbreaking story and history. It is a shame it is not common knowledge of the massacres. Thank you for making these videos and sharing for us who live far away. On another note I would love to visit Korellea one summer. I imagine the nature there is beyond beautiful.

The last painting in the video is in fact of Czar Alexander I of Russia in 1809, not the king of Sweden. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Porvoo Other than that, this was a great review of that part of our history.

An interesting topic for a possible future video would be the peasant and guerrilla leaders from Ostrobothnia who raided and fought against Russians and Karelians during Pitkä Viha "The Long Wrath", or otherwise known as the Russo-Swedish war of 1570 - 1595. Characters such as Pekka Vesainen, who led raid expeditions into Viena Karelia and the sacking of the town of Kantalahti/Kandalaksha with over 400 of the locals being killed. Some local stories also link him to the raid of coastal areas along the Arctic Sea, which resulted in the sacking of the Pechenga monastery as well as the short-lived occupation of the town of Kola. Although his involvement is not really supported and the raid is contributed to have been organized by the locals of Tornio and Keminmaa and not Vesainen, since he wasn't from either of these places. Eerik Krankka, the father of one of the Cudgel War leaders, Hannu Krankka, was also involved in these violent clashes and skirmishes in the north. He died fighting another raid expedition from Russia in 1579. Then there was Musta-Nykyri who was said to have been somewhat of a giant and a good fighter along with being a shaman (noita), but a lot of folklore describing him also mention feats of magic and summoning soldiers out of thin air, so what is left of his deeds have almost completely turned into myth and legend. Parts of Ostrobothnia were raided and sacked some 20 times over the course of this 25 year long war and the figures related to these events, although they have inevitably been glorified and mythicized, are really interesting.

@Aldanil

Жыл бұрын

historical sources and finnish and karelian folkore says that peoples of Kvenland(bothnia) and Karelia have been at war many times. in viking age, at first Kvens(Kainulaiset) waged war against the Norse(Norwergians) with karelians as their allies, but later Kvens waged war against Karelians and they(kvens) were aided by norwergians some times. in one norwergian account(Egil's Saga) Norwergian Thorolf aids Kvenish lord/king/chief Faravid(Kaukomieli) with his troops against Karelian raiders. later Faravid and Thorolf will meet again and invade Ladoga-Karelia succesfully and gain lots of loot. there is also Finnish story about Karelians invading kvenland(Northern ostrobothnia) and capturing Local prince(Kalevanpoika) Soini and sell him as slave to a karielian blacksmith. when Soini is put to watch over the Blacksmith's kid, Soini kills the kid. When Soini is put to protect the Blacksmith's cattle, he lets bears and wolves to eat the cattle alive. then Soini uses the power of sorcery to call animals of the forest attack The Blacksmith's wife as a revenge to the blacksmith's wife who put stone inside Soini's bread. In the story Russia(Venäjä) and Karelia are linked together, but also Finnish people have their own rulers. i think that the events of the story are set in 12th century because then Karelians were allies of Novgorod and Finland was still free from Swedish, German and Danish rule. The story of Kalevanpoika Soini is the Original story of Kullervo. Half of Kalevala is made up by freemason Lönnrot and the poems were edited and twisted beyond recognition and thats why Kalevala is Unreliable if you want to know the real Finnish and Karelian lore. Kristfrid Ganander's Mythologia Fennica and the original poems are good source if you want the truth. in treaty of pähkinäsaari kvenland was split in 3: part of kvenland(Kainuunranta/North Ostrobothnia)became part of russia and became under Karelian dominion. other two parts became part of sweden. these two parts were western bothnia and South Ostrobothnia. original Finnish name for Ostrobothnia was Kainuu/Kainuunmaa. the current province of Kainuu has been named such since 1920s. Before that it was called Oulujärven erämaa. the warfare beetween Kvens and Karelians continued after both peoples were subjucated by russia and sweden in the form of raids and many wars beetween sweden and russia.

Great video. I am myself an Ostrobothnian and my family's homestead got burned down and the women were killed with "axehammers". Because of everything got burned down, we got almost no things built of wood older than 1714. Everything was burned down.

You're a natural story teller :)

Excellent video to watch on this snowy day. Thank you.

History like this has taught Finns that you should never trust in foreign aid, but you can always trust in foreign hostility.

@herptek

Жыл бұрын

Ones own strength is always better than foreign strength for this reason. The latter may or may not be as interested in the safety of ones land and people. The time of independent Finland was the first time when the Finns carried the responsibility of defence of the country alone and it did turn out to produce the best motivated defenders.

That's Russians and Swedes regarding Finland. You should also look at Russian "Desants" in Finland during World War II. Civilian slaughter, war crimes etc

It would be interesting if you made more history videos of Finland.

Few thousands of casualties in Otrobothnia may not seem very high when comparing it to the modern population,. but the northern ostrobothnia, as whole Finland, was very sparsely populated in the beginning of 18th century. It actually lost one quarter (1/4) of its population. Some individual villages lost more than half of their population. The reason why Ostrobothnia (the region on the western/northwestern coast) was destroyed so much worse than other regions in Finland was the fact that the population of the area had very strong cultural, trade, and often also linguistic relations to the Swedish mainland. Therefore Russians saw this area as a potential support for Swedish landfall and counter-attack. This is why the Cossacks were given orders to destroy the whole coastal region and either kill or capture the population. Southwestern Finland was not destroyed so badly, because the Czar intended to annex it.But there were still plenty of deaths in the south, because of a plague epidemic. The Russian idea of having "neutral" countries, or countries unable to launch or support any attack, around Russia itself is even older than the greater wrath. I believe it is almost as old as Russia itself. And Putin is still practicing the same kind of policy, using brutal vivolence to bring Russian sphere of influence beyond Russian borders.

Don't forget that Rurik came to Karelia to how I say: "use us". It went so far that 1187 we Karelians burn down their main capital, Sigtuna. My dads family was owned over 300 years by the Swedes in Karelia until 1670 when we bought our freedom.

That was a very grim story well done for telling it so well 👏🏻

as a moderate, i hope one day moscow will turn to glass and the insane zoo that is mordor will only get to it eats own as a 50 ft wall is set up around the irraidated wasteland

At least 5 of my ancestors has died in Napue battle, and I think that every bothnian people have at least one ancestor who died in Napue or in Hailuoto massacre

just in time for my history exam!

Russia never changes

In Sweden we had something similar called "Rysshärjningarna" ("the Russian raids"). When it became inevitable that Sweden would lose the war, and we had to negotiate for peace with czar Peter, he sent cossack warriors into Sweden to "convince" us to hurry up the process a bit. Among other places they raided Umeå and Piteå which lay a few miles away from the city of Luleå were i went to college. I remember walking around there and thinking that it's unbelievable that this was the scene of a bloodbath less than 500 years ago.

@MrSpritzmeister

2 жыл бұрын

This happened in Sweden, just not in modern Sweden.

@billywiththebulgingbaloonb5105

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSpritzmeister I think people who watch these videos are familiar with the basic differences between modern and ancient Finland and Sweden. Thus it's better to just refer to nation-states by their modern names, without having to do some long-winded explanation of what is what beforehand.

@MrSpritzmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@billywiththebulgingbaloonb5105 I have to disagree, since you also seem to mix terms up, and you definetly are not alone in that, Finns do that often as well. The phrasing also indicates that Ostrobothnia, Nyland, Savonia, Karelia, and Kainuu were somehow external to Sweden and only the raid by Russians to the western side of the gulf hurried the peace process. You don't have to have a long winded explanation about historical state structure either; for example, "on the Western side of the gulf we have ...." . Also, Greater Wrath isn't ancient times.

As we see in this important video, the Russo-Nazi behavior in Ukraine is nothing new; the Russians have always acted this way, towards anyone who dares fall in their sights. Finns have always detested Russia.

@herramirtsaaja9032

Жыл бұрын

This behaviour was nothing out of the ordinary for those times, russians arent the only ones to blame, the swedes have done their fair of genocides just like the british and the french. Modern russian behaviour also wouldnt exist if the west wouldnt have antagonized russia after the fall of ussr Even if you look at modern "reports" about russia from usa, they say that there will be a civil war but russians will be russians and nato is always necessary and blah blah blah The arms industry is definetly happy

@davestrasburg408

Жыл бұрын

@@herramirtsaaja9032 l was unaware of the obvious fact that there are still old "taistolaisia" in Finland, for whom Russia is not the enemy, and for whom Sweden, the United States and the "West," are to blame for Russia's various genocides over the years. The "West" antagonized Russia after the so-called "end" of communism? You obviously think that the Free World "antagonized" the Nazis into committing the Holocaust; the Armenians "antagonizing" the Turks into committing the 1915 Armenian Genocide, which Adolf Hitler used as his example; the Free World "antagonizing" al-Qaeda into exterminating Americans; and Cambodian children "antagonizing" the Pol Pot regime into murdering 2 million Cambodians, including a young lady whom l met decades ago in Thailand, whose parents and all sisters and brothers, small children, had been massacred by the local equivalent of the Putinists? Any Russian apologist who makes excuses for the Putinists should go to Russia, and stay there; better still, go to Ukraine, where they will see reality. As for me, l am proud of my Mother's elder cousin having fought the Soviet communazis defending the Finnish civilian population, and having been injured twice (he lived until 2007).

@herramirtsaaja9032

Жыл бұрын

@@davestrasburg408 i never said a single genocide was done because the "free world" antagonized them to do so But the great wrath was nothing out of the ordinary for the time You are another basic idiot who automatically takes the western side no matter the situation The west is still responsible for 80% of all genocides and that only counts the un meaning of genocide discounting cultural genocide of forcing their culture, language and religion on the rest of the world Im not saying russia is good, but for your degeneracy saying the west is just as shit means that im a russia apologist. Communism also isnt related to nazies The only thing they have in common is that both called themselves socialists, only the soviets actually followed with socialism while hitler was busy killing all the actual socialists from his party And if you take into account that the west couldnt even work if it didnt get its cheap resources from the third world countries the ussr achieved similiar and for its level of economic development better living standards than its capitalist counterparts. Maybe you should get the fuck out of europe and go suck americans dick in america, if you havent already

At 8:25 that is my family's coat of arms

@IrishinFinland

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@jrsgarage7623

2 жыл бұрын

@@IrishinFinland I'm full blooded sami Finn. I'm a vainamoinen I know . both side were direct decendent of Sami noaidi medicine men im pretty sure without looking . kahkonen was my other side

Isoviha-dokumenttielokuva: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ip56yc6QpdrUZso.html (English subtitles included)

pähkinäsaaren rauhan raja goes next to my house, i have taken interest to study it. nut island peace border goes right next to my apartment.

@Gibbetoo

2 жыл бұрын

we are very proud people, you can't go and offend us and think you can come out alive, it is something that we have grown on, don't mess with us mentality.

In the light of the 2022 Ukraine war, this sounds all too familiar.

Just a little nitpick from the beginning, Finland wasn’t really under the rule of the Empire of Sweden, any more than the Sweden was under the rule of Empire of Sweden. Also there was no Finnish and Swedish army, just a Swedish army where most of the men were locals, who’s descendants became Finns. At the time they identified themselves locally and then distantly with the state (Sweden).