I was a first loader on the forward starboard 3" mount as a seamen on USS Newport News (CA-148) in 1968

@starshipmechanic

2 жыл бұрын

so do you have any info about that mig that may have been taken out by the 8in guns, I bet the pilot didn't expect that.

@AdamosDad

2 жыл бұрын

@@starshipmechanic I'm pretty sure that was during the 67' cruse. I was aboard in 68-70. The pilot probably soiled his pants or spilled his vodka.

@termitreter6545

2 жыл бұрын

One thing I wondered is, how likely is it injure yourself while loading, get caught in the mechanism? Having to reach into those spinning cylinders seems a bit dangerous. It looks like your hands get closer to the mechanism than usual with automatic weapons, and the high rate of fire with fairly heavy shells doesnt make it better.

@AdamosDad

2 жыл бұрын

@@termitreter6545 You are told what to expect and how to hold the round without crushing your fingers, I nearly got pinched a few times but its easy to learn. The worst part is we didn't know anything about hearing protection and I now have a 96% high frequency loss in both ears.

@termitreter6545

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdamosDad I guess a military probably wouldnt use a system like that if it was crushing fingers all day. Sucks for your hearing though, you'd think this stuff wouldve been taken more serious in the late 60s. Stuff been an issue since the advent of gunpowder weaponry :/

Very cool. Ryan looked like a kid in a candy store talking about his favorite weapons systems, that's really cool Salem has some of the shells and such to "play with" and show some of the loading, etc.

@pyroman6000

2 жыл бұрын

Yep- I loved the way he gleefully talked about the Salem's AAA systems. "Just in case you need to shoot something down really really quickly". The Sullivans museum ship is in a post war refit- and has a twin 3"/50 mount mounted where the aft 40mm would have been- on the tower above mounts 54 and 55. There are some 3" rounds in one of the forward scuttles you can look at and pick up. (they don't let you climb up to the actual mount. but DO have a dismounted set in the outside yard for you to see.) They are surprisingly heavy. Those Fletchers were no joke- that ship BRISTLES with weaponry! And now, there's the Oto Melara 76mm Super Rapido as the even bigger, badder modern brother of this gun. "I see your proximity fuze, and raise you a guided round with a multi-mode programmable fuze- designed to shoot down anti-ship missiles. Or planes, or surface targets, or rain hot death on fools in open fast attack craft, or etc."

@rdfox76

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyroman6000 *And* two rounds per second, at that--hence the name.

I’ve heard they refer to deck guns that spill casings everywhere as “deck shitters” 😂

@TacticalAlphaCharlie

2 жыл бұрын

😂

I was stationed on the Newport News during the 60's .I missed the Vietnam cruise...We did have a turret 2 explosion ..killed 22 sailors.. Scrapped in 1977. Some things were were saved on the Salem ..Loved my time on that ship.

@starshipmechanic

2 жыл бұрын

theres a museum space in the Salem all about the Newport News, I think there is a big brass model of the ship and the ships bell

@busterbeagle2167

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing and serving sir.

@james23p

2 жыл бұрын

She wasn’t scrapped until the 93 I passed her and her beautiful sisters everyday in the 80s when I was stationed in Philly. They were magnificent looking ships.

@jimbo6413

2 жыл бұрын

@@james23p Yup, I remember seeing the Newport News in Philly when my ship was stuck in the yards in 1987.

@lmo1960

2 жыл бұрын

@@starshipmechanic The brass model was of the Saint Paul, and it's now located on the USS Massachusetts

The exhaust vent for the heater is A+ stewardship and also, let's just be honest, cute as hell.

USS Salem played the role of the German heavy cruiser/commerce raider, Admiral Graf Spee, in the 1956 movie "The Battle of the River Plate" (U.S. title "Pursuit of the Graf Spee"). The Navy Department would not allow Salem's hull number to be painted over so the 139 had to be explained in the dialog as part of a ruse to disguise Graf Spee as a neutral American warship. (The Graf Spee was scuttled nearly two years before Pearl Harbor.) Salem hardly resembles a German Panzerschiffe except for the single funnel and her tall main mast/control tower. Graf Spee was a rather antiquated design for a ship laid down in 1932. Her sister, Admiral Scheer, and more pleasing lines in her hull, whereas Graf Spee's hull l looks more like it belongs to a per-WWI ship. The Des Moines-class cruisers were more beautiful than any warships of their time except maybe the Alaska-class battle cruisers, making the Graf Spee look clunky by comparison. Imagine USS Salem fighting the Battle of the River Plate against HMS Achilles, Ajax, and Exeter. With her radar fire-control and her nine 8"/55 Mark-16 guns (12 salvos a minute), Salem could have obliterated all three before Exeter could have closed the range.

@enscroggs

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve made an error. The Mark-16 gun fired 8 rounds per minute, a salvo every 12 seconds.

@WBtimhawk

2 жыл бұрын

@@enscroggs You made another one I'm afraid. If it could fire approx 8 rounds a minute (I've heard 10 fwiw), that's approx 1 salvo every 7.5 seconds.

@enscroggs

2 жыл бұрын

@@WBtimhawk I'm sure a salvo every 7.5 seconds was a practical impossibility due to excessive heating of the barrel and breech mechanism. I read somewhere, and Osprey guide, I believe that a salvo every twelve seconds was technically sustainable.

Ryan, you talked a bit about the traverse stop mechanism on the 3 inch mounts. My uncle Tom was a waist gunner on the B-24L #4449972 "Rum Collins". On March 31'st 1945 the lower ball turrets traverse stop malfunctioned over Holland as they test firing their guns, and they shot themselves down. I have an actual photograph of the Run Collins trailing smoke from her left inboard engine as she was going down. When asked if it was scary bailing out my uncle Tom said "no, because I had to crawl over a bunch of 500 pound bombs to do it". He and one other crewmen evaded capture. The rest were caught by the Germans.

My second cousin was a gunnery officer on a Fletcher in the early 50s. His ship hit by a kamikaze had it’s third 5” turret replaced with the 3 inch as a test. Officers/Enlisted hated it. Even when leading a jet they still couldn’t shoot it down.

@usagihunter101

2 жыл бұрын

>even when leading a jet There’s your problem; you’re trying to shoot down a jet with WWII era guns.

@pate8079

2 жыл бұрын

Kamikazes in the 50’s?

@dynamo8846

2 жыл бұрын

@@pate8079 in ww2 that is. They added the 3in gun during repairs

@gpclipner

2 жыл бұрын

@@pate8079 Didn’t come out right. His ship was damaged (#3 turret) during late WW2. And turret was replaced with 3” gun. Cousin said they did well with the towed targets but with jets the gun mount just couldn’t swivel fast enough. Don’t know if they ever solved the issue. 🤷‍♂️ This ship was the USS Mullany DD-528

This is definitely the first combat ship museum I'm going to visit.

Brought back memories , I was a FT on the USS Diamondhead AE 19 and worked on the 3" 50 's . We had the MK 52 director with the MK 26 radar . . I think mine was the only one that still worked in the fleet . !969 - 1973 .

I had already left the ship by the time this particular video was filmed. Great to see how the 3" 50 cal. gun was loaded and there radar and director control systems. Thanks for the video !

@bretsk2500

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.. my son was getting hangry sitting in my truck and blowing up my phone. Which in the end was fine.. as I knew I was going to be on 62 the following Friday.

My Grandfather sailed on that ship! He was a second class gunners mate and his job was to man that gun. We took him to see his ship years back and he was telling me about the loaders and the guys stood there. He also said that they had elevators that the ammo came up to the men on. It was his job to fire the weapon. He said they would do live firing exercises when at sea.

We were still running these guns on Auxiliary ships well into the 80’s. I was a GM (G) on the USS Seattle from 77-81. We had 4 sets of them until the forward mounts were replaced by the Sea Sparrow. Rate of fire that we were told was 45 rds/min per barrel. The Aft mounts were replaced by CIWS sometime after that. They were awesome in the Anti Surface role, not so great against the fast-movers of that era.

@wheels-n-tires1846

2 жыл бұрын

Yup...I believe those are the same ones we had aboard Sylvania and all the other Mars class AFS. We had a set on the forecastle, and they were kept til decomm in the mid/late 90s, but the two up high on the superstructure were replaced by CIWS in the 80s I think. I imagine it helped her seakeeping a lot. She rolled pretty bad, and all that weight up that high (04 level)couldnt have helped LOL!!!

@tonypimm8940

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheels-n-tires1846 I remember the Sylvania! We operated with her a few times back then. Mostly we were part of the Ike Battle Group.

Started out as a 2nd loader, after about a year was moved to the LSO seat. What a kick!

You should add that the last time the 3"/50 were used in Combat was August 27, 1972 in Operation Lion's Den. The USS NEWPORT NEWS CA-148 fought off attacking PT Boats as we were exiting Haiphong Harbor.

Had them on USS Sumter LST 1181 in 1972 was a loader man. Had great gunnermates

Enjoyed the video, not surprising they were never retrofitted this though in end of life lines like BBs... it'd be neat to have Iowa throwing up a steel curtain of semi-auto 3" ordinance, but that role was being transitioned to cruisers and destroyers (and increasingly frigates) and the big money was being put into the new toys, mainly Talos and later Standard missiles. Imagine having the ammo supply contract for that gun... that's alot of dakka...

"Star Wars rules..." I literally LOL'd 😂

Very nice mix of you demonstrating along with the older film. Explanation of training the 3" is spot on.

Thx for the informative and entertaining video on the 3"50 I served in Viet Nam on a Patrol Gunboat that had a single AMF maunfactured light weight rapid fire 3"50 with a director and radar guidance with gyro stability to keep on target when the boat was rockin and rolling. I was a first loader and we could shoot 60rpm combined with 40mm Bofurs on fantsil We had quite a bit of fire power for 200ton vessel not including twin 50 cal M2s and M60s and 16s . Unfortunately the sea keeping wasn't too kindly and engineering casualties were relatively common compared with larger ocean going war ships of the time.

I love the Salem. I lived 2 blocks away as a younger man. Spent many a hour enjoying her. I use to striper fish off her stern around the Fore river bridge. Has had a rough go when they replaced the bridge. Some want to place her by Quincy point. But snooty people didn't want to look at her out their condo window. They use her as a haunted ship/house in Oct. Not a fan of that but it brings need money. She is Beautiful. I believe she is very close in length to an Iowa.

@benjaminlanden8607

2 жыл бұрын

Im sorry to say that but USS Salem is 60 meters shorter than USS Iowa 😶

As always, awesome!! Thanks for sharing

To your question, I would answer that the guns were a default choice for cruisers. Their role as primary component of the anti-aircraft umbrella dictated the choice.

@UchihaPercy

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense. Though I think some mad lad somewhere though “But can we fit one on a Carrier?”.

@mikecimerian6913

2 жыл бұрын

@@UchihaPercy We can assume that if a carrier needs one, the pickets and the CAP didn't do their job. I sure would like to see a massive porcupine made of this gun. I don't know why, this makes me think of the Soviet ZSU-23-4 naval equivalent. Now that I am thinking of spamming, I am led to the Pythons spam song and I don't know when the Spanish Inquisition may suddenly appear.

Love your videos! Each one is like a documentary. I learn so much from these.

It's one of my favorite, too! It's so great! They fire so damn fast!!

These are really great videos, much appreciated!

On my first ship (it was an LKA) had 3"-50's I was on mount 51. Loved it!

My dad was a Fire control tech P/O 2nd on the USS Paul Revere 61-65 they had the 3” Guns with the Radar’s on them.

These are great videos! Keep it up please!

Great video Ryan. I was visiting Battleship Cove a few years ago on vacation and got up to Boston to visit Constitution and Cassin Young and was going to go to visit Salem the same day as gong to Boston but ran out of time....and didn't get back up during the rest of my vacation at Battleship Cove.... so I didn't get to see one of these twin 3inch 50 mounts on her... but I have seen one up close though on HMCS Haida the few times I have visited her when she was in Toronto before she moved to Hamilton, Ont. She has one of these mounts.

Ryan, as always another great, informative video. Since we're on the subject of AA, I for one would really love to see an analysis of the New York Ship-built USS Roanoke and USS Worcester.

Thank you again love your videos.

Enjoyed playing ‘spot the curator’ with the wide shot. Really neat shot :)

3"/50 FTW. It was so useful I saw them on everything in Charleston, back in the '70s. Now we're using the OTO Melara 76 or the Boforrs 57, so-yes-every reason to upgrade.

Awesome framing for the parts of the vid that had you, guns, and director in one shot!

Like ive said b4 id have voted for every upgrade ever designed and even today would still support whole heartedly the return of heavy battleships on the seas

I love how excited Ryan is about this sophisticated gun!

Wow! Extremely impressive!

Great video from the battleship.

Great video and your audio has been sounding awesome lately!

The Mk 56 could direct 5"/38 and 3"/50 mounts at the same time. The combo of 5"/38, 3"/50, Mk 56, and VT fuse largely neutralized the Kamikaze threat late in the war. I'm not sad the Iowas were not refitted with 3"/50 in place of the 40 mm mounts. Actually, I wish that one of the Iowas was still in an original WWII configuration.

@wfoj21

2 жыл бұрын

Partially knew some ships had Mk 56 directing 5/38.

Afs6 San Diego was the last of the Mars class to have 4 twin mount 3'50s; two forward at the bow and two behind the bridge. Every time they had gunnery practice with an air sleeve, the Mk56 would always start following the sleeve and run the line towards the towing aircraft. Accurate. Oh the smell of Cordite in the morning.

@wheels-n-tires1846

2 жыл бұрын

I was aboard Sylvania in the early 90s and we only had the forecastle mounts. CIWS had replace the superstructure mounts long before that. Probably in the 80s???

@wheels-n-tires1846

2 жыл бұрын

Our CIWS was hyperactive like that. Once, our stbd mount shot up the target, the cable, and put a couple rounds into the plane before they could shut it off!!

@wtaylor48

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheels-n-tires1846 I left the canoe club in 73, and she was going into dry dock for ruoutine work, and was getting satelite installed; and I believe right after they removed the rear tubs and installed ciws.

@wtaylor48

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheels-n-tires1846 Right response time with them was really fast.

@kennethflusche7900

2 жыл бұрын

LPH-7 every AA gun shoot I was on resulted in a cut tow rope to the sleeve. Good ol times mid 70's

I would have loved to see how these systems performed in WWII had they been developed a few years earlier. Or even the Salem Cruiser as a whole

I was a Gunners Mate (Guns), went to the 3"50cal tech school in the early 90's, and 'owned' the two Mark 33 enclosed twin mounts on my first ship. The ship originally had the radar directors but they proved to be of dubious usefulness and were almost constantly broken so they were eventually removed from all active duty ships while leaving the fantastic gun mounts. 90 rounds per minute per mount with proximity fused, high explosive or armor piercing rounds will put a serious hurt on anything in visual range. Hitting high speed targets at distance would be a trick though. Training rounds were fired quite often so the old stock was eventually used up and the new stuff used aluminum alloy cases while war shots were older and had brass cases - the fired brass empties were in high demand as souvenirs. It was fun and interesting working on and firing a gun that was old before I was even born. Amplidyne motors instead of transformers. Vacuum tubes instead of transistors. Compared to the weapons we have now, it was stone knives and bear skins. But there was nothing better than driving that mount around, putting the crosshairs on target and holding the trigger down. No such thing in the Navy for anything bigger than a machine gun anymore.

Much better audio, thank you.

My father in law actually did shoot down a Mig fighter with a Talos missile from the USS Chicago.

I was a 2nd loader and then a 1st loader on the enclosed starboard 3in/50 mount as a deck Seaman back in the late 1980s onboard one of three Nitro Class AEs. I will never forget the care one had to make so as to not let your fingers roll into the breach, unless you wanted to get your hands chopped off. As you loaded the round into the breach you had to keep your fingers straight and roll it in and withdraw your hands quickly.

I can find images of NJ in the early 1950s with the obsolete 40mm Bofors still on her. Figuring taking them off and replacing them with some 3"/50s would have been ideal, but I figure cost was a reason why it didn't happen. Would there be weight issues? These 3"/50 gun systems were heavier than the 40mm Bofors. Probably another consideration was that naval surface to air missiles were in the works. The escorts would have those. Eventually in the mid-1950s the US Navy would convert a bunch of the old WWII-era Cleveland and Baltimore-classes of Cruisers to become Guided Missile Cruisers, and start recommissioning them in 1960 or 1961. Meanwhile the Worcester and Salem-classes were being decommissioned or with very few left in service. The 3"/50 guns would find its way onto other ships like the Forrest Sherman-class DDs.

When I did my Naval Weapons Tech training I met a Petty Officer whose claim to fame was that he could keep both guns loaded by himself during a regular speed gun shoot. The power system on the 3"50 was inferior to the 3"70, The 70s had a slip ring power system so it could spin as many times as it needed, the 50 could only do 720° and then had to unwind.

Pits of death. Love it. Please make a video where Ryan explains “Star Wars rules”!

@thedamnyankee1

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't really need a whole video. In the starwars movies the star Destroyers (and death star) always had weird levels and cat walks that made no practical sense, (especially on the bridges,) and would be very dangerous.

@tovarich89VT

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedamnyankee1 I just want to hear a long rambling Ryan explanation of it with many obscure references

@CalvinTheCarnotaurus

2 жыл бұрын

@@tovarich89VT personally I reckon Ryan should start his own channel were he talks about films or games that feature naval combat.

I'm surprised they don't put a modernized version of this gun on all Navy ships today. I've got to believe it has better range than the CWIS and the cost per shot, plus quantity of shots you can carry has to be greater than the Sea Sparrows and these with appropriate modern burst shells would be highly effective against drone swarms.

that gun is so cool! so interesting on its increased effectiveness against aircraft even jets. love the vid! probably not worth it to add to a new jersey, but i want one!:)

Another great video

I chatted with a Navy veteran last summer who was a ‘Gun Captain’ (or maybe he said ‘Gun Boss’) for a 3”/50 mount on a Des Moines class cruiser. His only complaint about them was being frustrated at how frequently they needed barrel replacements.

@jackmoore260

8 ай бұрын

Gun Captain is the correct term. My father did the same job on USS Des Moines in the late '50s.

What an interesting briefing! I understand the USS Long Beach CGN 9 was retrofitted with 3” guns.

@RT-mm8rq

3 ай бұрын

Those were 5"/38s.

USS Taluga, AO 62, was carrying 4 single 3" on our 1969 VN cruise. We rarely fired them in training before that deployment, but fired them a lot more before the '70 cruise -- something about North Korea, small boats and self defense. Rate of fire and accuracy were terrible.

Great video, I had to scratch build four of these for a model of the USS Canberra, this video would have been a great help , I will have to look at adding the dredger hoist hatches.

@witeshade

2 жыл бұрын

There's a Des Moines class kit from Veryfire in 1/350, it's a pretty great kit, lots of details and seems pretty accurate. You can pay extra for an insane photoetch kit that adds a mountain of detail, some of which is hyper-realistic, but even the basic kit is really nice.

@lmo1960

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on the scale, there's some amazing after-market, 3D printed 3" 50s from Model Monkey that are closest to the real thinf

I just found 6Sets of 3 to 8 inch rifling tooling at work today in our long term calibration storage area….this kind of tooling no longer exist anywhere anymore. I’m going to be asking our program managers to contact the navy to see if they want these old production tooling. It all dates from the 50’s if memory serves me right. Going to perform a full investigation inventory early next year.

Ryan, the 3 inch 50 traces it's lineage all the way back to WW1.

If anyone is wondering, this guy absolutely knows his stuff!

As cool as the 3"/50 was, refitting the _Iowas_ with them in the late 1950s really would have been a waste of resources. They'd have gotten little to no use before probably being removed in the 1980s reactivations.

@benmodel5745

2 жыл бұрын

'Waste of resources' is good, it means no one's at risk. Body armor that doesn't get shot at isn't a waste, it's not there to be used like gas or fuel, it's there in case it's needed. Same with these guns. Though I am partially of the opinion that the Iowa's themselves were a bit of a waste of resources after a time

@rickgraves6517

2 жыл бұрын

The 3" 50 cal on the USS Wainwright CG-28 were removed in 1978 and replaced with Harpoon launchers.

@Philistine47

2 жыл бұрын

@@benmodel5745 I'm curious in what sense it would have been _good_ to install brand-new guns on these ships as they were being put into mothballs, only to rip the "new" (but now obsolete) guns out when the ships were eventually reactivated twenty-five or so years later. Because it sounds to me like a pure boondoggle.

@wfoj21

2 жыл бұрын

The 3 inch guns remained on some ships through 1990. However - What level of fire control did the 3 inch guns have as installed - probably varied. And nearly all ships at one point had the fire control removed - revert to the Mk 1 Mod 0 Fire control (gunner's eyeball) . When though? I am not certain - probably across the 1970s.

The newer 3 inch AA guns should have been mounted on the battleships if the opportunity was there with the further electrical and mechanical upgrades that came in the late 50's and 60's could have made them formidable. On another note with newer 3 inch and 5 inch guns you talked about in a much earlier video is there an accurate or mostly accurate USS Montana model out there?

Considering that Oto Malera also eventually made a famous 76mm autoloading gun these 3 inchers (76.2mm) these aren't far off.

New audio equipment? It sounds great! 👍

Yeah clearly whoever came up with the logic that 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikon AA Guns couldn't kill a a fast jet didn't tell that to the crew of HMS Fearless and HMS Antelope of the British Royal Navy cause i already mentioned in the chat

@TheGooberOfGoobs

2 жыл бұрын

Without adequately high traverse speed and some form of assisted aiming its very unlikely, even for early jets to score a kill or vital hit. The other issue is range of the jets armament vs AA is quite a sizeable difference. Given adequate weather I don't doubt semi modernized systems would have too many issues scoring kills on early jets 50-60's due to the more refined fuses of the HETV shells used in the 40mm systems used in unison with the guidance system.

Now you got the oto melara 76mm mount that doesn't penetrate the hull. Imagine a 21st century Des Moines with oto melara 76mm and 127mm with volcano. The 8" guns could achieve some amazing thing with the same engineering improvements done to land based 6" guns since WW2. Could also replace a turret or two two with VLS farms

I toured the USS Edson up in Bay City, MI and the 3"/50s had been removed. According to one of the crew members, he said that the 3"/50s were removed fairly early in the ship's career because they were "very maintenance intensive" so I guess they had some issues with reliability?

I'd love to visit Salem some day! It was, by far, my favorite cruiser to play in World of Warships- back when I still played. And in my top 5 of all time favorites, along with Iowa, Le Terrible; Alsace; and Jean Bart. Alaska, Benson, and Baltimore were way up there, too. Salem rarely let me down! Sometimes I really miss going out in one of the above ships and playing "Eat THIS bitch!"...

I hear all the comments about Navy AA guns and how they were no longer effective but we lost over 1,200 fighter aircraft and over 300 attack aircraft during the Vietnam war, with the vast majority to AA fire. The primary NVA weapon was the twin 37 MM and it was very effective against USAF aircraft. Some of the gunners on the Ho Chi Minh could hit blacked out aircraft based solely on the noise of the aircraft. Something does not add up.

A "grandson" of the 3" is the OTO Melara 76mm Compact and Super Rapid.

There's a closing VFW near me that has a wartime 3 inch 50 I'm buddies with the post commander I wonder if I can talk him into selling it to me

Save the casing? Did the reload their own ammo or was that just shipped off for scrap?

@V-V1875-h

2 жыл бұрын

Like with artillery, sent back to the factory to save the brass

@oddy1637

2 жыл бұрын

Recycling is always welcome

@TheGooberOfGoobs

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on the brass this would actually save them alot of metal and money (anywhere from 800-5000 dollars, calilber dependent) over the shells life span. Plus they can be reloaded like 2-6 times.

Well, the 3'' would have been needed to maintain parity with the insaaaane AA battery of the MN Jean Bart in the 50's. It would have also been needed to swap out the good old 5'' turrets with auto-loading ones. But outside of competing with a much smaller ally navy, absolutely no need. Gotta say tho, I absolutely love the revolving mechanisms to load the 3''. The currently in service french 155 artillery truck has a somewhat similar system with a 1 position revolving piece on either side of the breech. The shells go on through the right one, the propellant charges through the left one.

I love this ship.

The 3"/50 Auto was the most obsolete weapon systems ever introduced. They never really saw service in WWII and by the time they became available in any numbers, so were the Talos, Terrier and Tartar (which later became the Standard SM-1).

My dad was on the Salem's 3" guns, 52-54

Anti aircraft artillery continues to be a valuable complement to surface to air missiles to this very day., but by the 80’s the primary aerial threat was from anti ship missiles. For this threat SAMs on escorts and CIWS would be more efficient. Although the 3/50 was an awesome weapon system

I can see why they didnt refit the Iowas 40mm mounts into 3 inch mounts though... Thats one heck of a lot of magazines to install, and room and areas to repurpose. The 40mm mounts had the benefit that they could literally be bolted anywhere, as they were reloaded manually. It may not have been possible to refit all the 40mm mounts with 3 inch mounts, as the 3 inch mounts would have also been dependent on whats underneath them too, since thy needed to have a magazine and hoist installed, as well as the mount.

Breaking News: Ryan caught trying to stuff a 3" gun from the Salem to put on the NJ. "I don't know how he got it to fit into his pocket," said one of Salem's volunteers.

Ryan should start his own channel where he talks about films or games that feature naval combat. just as something for people who wanna hear about how accurate certain films and games are.

So that's like 40 13-pound projectiles a minute? Damn.

Another good video. I had not known about the 720° capability. Q: I presume part of the "secure from general quarters" procedure was to return the gun to a default bearing bit perhaps not. Is there any sort of indicator that would tell the crew manning the weapon if they had 720 degrees available or if it had be "parked" with a rotation already used up, this only having 360 degrees worth of cable slack remaining?

@seafodder6129

2 жыл бұрын

I have no first-hand knowledge of these particular gun systems but, generally speaking, the Navy's pretty anal about securing things on their ships. I would further assume there would be some sort of locking device to hold the system in its neutral position until it was needed. Wouldn't want the wind (or waves in heavy seas) spinning your guns around...

@lmo1960

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure that securing from General Quarters would mean putting everything back to exactly where it all started. Procedures, procedures, procedures!

@pauld6967

2 жыл бұрын

@@lmo1960 my military experience tells me that yes, that's what The Book may state is the procedure _but_ oftentimes the crew are a little lax about actually doing it. Hence my inquiring about a physical/mechanical failsafe put in by the designers to compensate for lazy/less diligent sailors.

The Salem and the Newport News were first US Navy ships to be built with air conditioning.

@jaffreyharris6013

6 ай бұрын

And also the Class ship, USS Des Moines. CA 134. I was aboard her from 1950-1954. She was larger than Salem or Newport News. I visited the Salem. Her IC room is smaller.

Loud as hell!

Was there in the late80"s or early 90's when it was in sorry shape and didn't know if this was going to sucessful!

@lmo1960

2 жыл бұрын

The Salem opened to the public in 1995. Did you see it in Philadelphia?

@5:00 of course it would be impossible to confirm the kill. That MiG would simply ceased to exist after getting hit with an 8" HE shell. ;)

when i was at the Salem in August she was all sorts of rusting, did she get repainted recently?

Is it the same shell as 76mm tank round?

So how accurate was Iowa's main guns? I seen that USS Texas had a 1 in 20 hit chance. What was the shell grouping like, 100ft at 15 miles or more?

So I'm pretty sure someone else may have pointed this out, but I'll say it again, whenever Ryan is on screen it's heavily blue tinted. I don't know if there is any way to retroactively fix this, but just keep an eye out.

I want to visit do many warships across the states but they are so far apart from eachother and being from the UK its difficult and expensive to plan more then one location at a time

I am not finding any mention of this "North Vietnam MiG shootdown by Newport News" I am finding a MIG 21 shootdown by the USS Long Beach. in July 1967. In 1968, the ship (Long Beach) was redeployed to the Gulf of Tonkin, shooting down a MiG 21 jet fighter near Vinh, with a RIM-8 Talos missile on 23 May 1968.

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Great topic. We’re these guns related at all to the 3” dual purpose guns the Marines used on Wake? According to my readings those Marines sunk at least one destroyer and heavily damaged more and a cruiser and shot down a few attacking Japanese planes.

@demonprinces17

2 жыл бұрын

Believe the marines also had 5 inch also

@WBtimhawk

2 жыл бұрын

Wake island In 1941 ? No this particular model wasn't in service yet. But there was a manually loaded one firing the same ammo (minus the VT fuze obviously).

@RMJTOOLS

2 жыл бұрын

@@WBtimhawk yes 1941. I remember reading that the first naval attack from the Japanese fleet came in stupid and got hammered by the coastal artillery.

@rdfox76

2 жыл бұрын

@@WBtimhawk The gun itself was the same as the 3"/50 AA gun that the US Navy had had since World War One. The difference was in the breech mechanism and loading gear.

really wish there was a video of some poor position taking heat from 8 5 and 3 inch auto guns all at once😂 the absolute hell this ship could rain down. its one of my favs in World of Warships ^.^

I imagine those 3 inchers could be used against surface ships & small craft as well if they had too ,, if the hostile ship somehow got past the 8 & 5 inchers . Upgrading the Iowa class with these ? well if WW3 had broken out it might have been worth while. Lucky for all that did not happen . Yet .

Awesome weapon system. Worthy of star wars if augmented by lasers...

North Vietnam Airforce: the Americans puny guns can’t shoot us down USN: use the big ones on them. The 8 inch one. NVAF: Nooooo!!

Thinking of an AC-5A gunship...

Ryan, when did the 5in auto dirrected and semi auto loaded gun come into being. Just something to think about instead of dropping the guns from 5in to 3in.

@bretsk2500

2 жыл бұрын

Your thinking is entirely backwards.. the automatic 3" is an upgrade from the 40mm and 20mm.. Salem has a bunch of 5"/38s in addition to the 3" mounts.

@tomasthomas8563

2 жыл бұрын

@@bretsk2500 This was in responce to changing the BBs 5in guns to the 3in auto