A: "We're shitting on Todd Howard to make ourselves feel better and cope with the disappointing state of TES." B: "But why are you doing that?" A: "It just works."

@Y-all-mofos-need-Talos

2 жыл бұрын

I like how some Obsidian fans tried to make Chris Avellone say some shit about Todd Howard but he end up saying "Oh Todd is a really nice guy and help us saying that if we had any problem with his team we could talk directly to him".

@personman1148

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have a problem with Todd he's doing his job. I have a problem with Bethesda and thier mismanagement.

@MLPDethDealr32

2 жыл бұрын

@@personman1148 and Emil Paglirullo.

@cheetoortiz2361

Жыл бұрын

If Todd wants to be the mouthpiece for that shitty company he should prepare to be the earpiece as well.

@asherzstuff9033

Жыл бұрын

@@cheetoortiz2361 He doesn’t need to be personally attacked though… part of the problem is also the FO and TES communities. Memes are one thing, but death threats cross the lines.

He was in the debate team, not the chess club. One of his many lies that shocked me to the bone

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

haha

@khajiitty

2 жыл бұрын

I bet those debates were all about 0.99$ horse armor DLC.

@Regnbuesolv

2 жыл бұрын

@@khajiitty what is horse

@brian.phillips1985

2 жыл бұрын

In the Reddit AMA he claimed that this wasn't a lie. "Q: In a behind the scenes video for Oblivion, you mention being in the chess club in school. However, this year book image has surfaced showing that the chess club was not one of your many clubs. So what's up with that? Also, what's your favorite dinosaur? A: Chess Club was JUNIOR High School. Yoshi."

@khajiitty

2 жыл бұрын

@@Regnbuesolv Depends on your point of view. Some say it's some kind of transport. I say it's a good snack, especially with some sour cream.

I personally think a lot of the vitriol aimed at Todd is memes, but honestly, I think the genuine hate for him comes, unfortunately from him being seen as a bit of a public figure due to him always being up on stage presenting their games, so sadly, he's going to be blamed for the game not living up to the hype. As a few comments have already said, Pete Hines is the guy to blame for games from Bethesda not being up to scratch.

@chronoking4399

2 жыл бұрын

And then there is Robert A. Altman...

@MLPDethDealr32

2 жыл бұрын

No, your leaving out someone... That idiot/hack writer EMIL.

@Chuked

2 жыл бұрын

@@chronoking4399 robert altman brought the creation club to fallout 4 and skyrim

@treeaboo

Жыл бұрын

Don't ask Pete about the promised but cut Holidays DLC for Oblivion ;)

@Qi_Xin

Жыл бұрын

This comment is old now but I'll still respond cause why not. Even if Pete is to blame, Todd is the one selling most of the lies so it seems irrelevant.

I love the 'Todd Howard Song - It Just Works' and every time I hear something Bethesda related that I don't like, I rise my fist angrily into the air and scream internally 'Todd Howard!' or just 'Todd!'. Still, I like Todd, he seems like a nice guy who is passionate about what he does. I respect him and am happy when he shows up somewhere. And till we know he is responsible for something, I don't harbor ill will for him and when I discuss something that I don't like about TES or Fallout it's always about Bethesda itself, not him. It's sad that people get angry at him specific, something like this sadly happens, if you become virtually the face of an company.

@ironwraith852

2 жыл бұрын

It's like if everyone directed their anger at Vault-Tec to the Vault-Tec Rep from Fallout 4. It's not his fault, he's just doing his job.

That hatred for Todd Howard stems mostly from the fact that he's the figurehead of Bethesda, he's the one hyping games with his infamous lines; so when people are angry at Bethesda for messing something up, the first person they come to associate with Bethesda is Todd...

Howard seems pretty genuine. Can't hate on the guy for hyping things up when that is literally part of his job, and he's damned good at it. It isn't his fault when, for a multitude of reasons, the product doesn't live up to the hype. Hell, the guy even plays into the banter that surrounds him, like when he admitted that sometimes it doesn't just work.

@lostbutfreesoul

2 жыл бұрын

Sort of agree. One shouldn't allow the hype guy to be the 'executive in charge,' especially if they don't have the final say. All that will do is give false confidence to the people observing, whom won't know which 'role' is presenting which piece of information. The viewer/listener/customer will always assume the information is coming from the one who has made the decisions, while those running the company will always state it came from the hype guy and nothing more. So when things are then changed... we consumers blame the 'executive in charge' for what they said hyping it all up! So who made Todd go out there? Who thought it would be a great idea to blend these roles? Was... it... Todd? **Gasps** Probably not, actually... he has bosses too. But I wonder... how hard did he say no, or did he also think it was a great idea to go out on stage?

@BrianLloyd1991

Жыл бұрын

Not you excusing him lying and saying its part of his job. You can see why that is wrong?

@MZZenyl

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianLloyd1991 Grow up, brian.

@etherraichu

Жыл бұрын

Or when he admitted that they probably put too many cliff racers into the game.

I've been saying for years, if you REALLY need a person to point fingers at, its Pete Hines. Todd is just a game developer who happens to be very easily likable and charismatic and is thus shoehorned into this PR Guy role.

@ironwraith852

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not very familiar with Bethesda. Who's Pete Hines?

@BeesechurgerProductions

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironwraith852 head of marketing for Bethesda Softworks, the publisher that owns Bethesda Games Studios, which is the development studio Todd works for

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironwraith852 He is the head of PR and Marketing.

@ironwraith852

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeesechurgerProductions Thank you.

@GrievousReborn

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that Pete Hines probably has more blame than Todd Howard but even then there are no doubt people above Pete Hines to make decisions that he can't control

Why the fans hate Todd howard so much? They hate the direction where the fallout and Elder scrolls series is going.

I have a massive amount of respect for Todd. He helped create the games that shaped my life from 17 till now. (I’m 33). The memes are great, but Todd is still awesome in my eyes. He’s a legend.

@DadsWatchingYouTube

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I met Todd Howard and he told me about how the dwemer dissapeared. His bottom half was a mechanical spider and he had cancerous growths all over.... wait a second.

@Ludovicus1769

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I love that guy

@jordanwilson4182

11 ай бұрын

Both oblivion and skyrim were objectively bad games, play any true rpg and you can clearly see that.

@TheRedassault36

9 ай бұрын

​@@jordanwilson4182what about Morrowind?

@user-in1ms3ny3r

8 ай бұрын

​@@jordanwilson4182 go cry nerevarboomer

Todd’s strength is also his weakness, he’s over ambitious, games like Oblivion blew everyone’s mind on what’s possible with an open world RPG and it’s because was willing to go the extra mile with that game, but because of this, he overhyped stuff and sometimes affects the game too like Fallout 4 having a voice a protagonist, it’s great in theory but it just limits the RPG mechanics and dialogue options

I've always viewed todds "lies" as him getting over excited cause he loves the games he works on, and sharing something they want in the game but dont know if they could.

@jty9631

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes by hyping something they could get the publisher interested in it, to allow the dev team extra time and funds to implement it.

@Bopig

Жыл бұрын

so basically pete M.

@morganyu812

Жыл бұрын

Y'all got Stockholm Syndrome

@johnaustin209

11 ай бұрын

You're naive...

He does have a memeable face 😂 Being serious, this is an excellent take Cantina! The man has his problems, but it’s similar to politics where he has become the guy everyone blames. And when someone is blamed for everything, what they do doesn’t matter. He’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Just to be clear; not saying he is problematic. But, because everyone blames him for everything he has no reason to take accountability for mistakes. People will just move on to something else they blame him for. Most of which he doesn’t deserve. Errors aside, he had an impact on the gaming world. As much as we rip on Skyrim for not being an RPG, it’s still an excellent game on it’s own. Rant done 😅

@AsymmetricalCrimes

2 жыл бұрын

shady sands was in Fallout 1 and 2.

@thevalorousdong7675

2 жыл бұрын

"16 times the detail"

@FosterC144

2 жыл бұрын

There's one thing that every single Bethesda game lacks besides morrowind. Immersion. Every single Bethesda game has very similar weapons, armor, dungeons, enemies, etc. Even most of the rare weapons and armors look identical, it feels less rewarding, and repetitive. That's pretty much the main issue I have with Bethesda, it leaves modders having to fix all their mistakes, Bugs, even scripts and sure, it's cool that mods are allowed, but they could put more work into their products, hell, a small team of people even converted morrowind into the oblivion engine almost completely finished in merely a decade

@shriyanshpandey112

2 жыл бұрын

@@FosterC144 Saying they lack immersion just because of less item variety is total exaggeration.

@FosterC144

2 жыл бұрын

@@shriyanshpandey112 it's not just the items, it's the dungeons and enemies too Walk in any dungeon in skyrim for instance, the burrows are always the same layout with the exact same puzzles with 30 or so dragur That's not at all exaggerated, it's what Bethesda does

I appreciate this grounded approach to Todd Howard and video game PR in general. There's always been so much hate from fans in the video game space regarding devs when really its the suits behind the scenes making the decisions that often hurt games.

@notjimpickens7928

2 жыл бұрын

Todd is a suit tho, he hasn't been making games since oblivion, they won't let him for some reason after they forced weaver out.

@UN-Seki

Жыл бұрын

@@notjimpickens7928 I'm assuming the guy who directs the game wouldn't really have time to develop specific parts of the game. But I'm sure he follows the dev process closely (that's what the devs who left Bethesda usually say) and playtests at times.

@treeaboo

Жыл бұрын

@@notjimpickens7928 He's in charge of the broad direction of the game, the general feel of it. It's why Skyrim is more 'power fantasy' themed than Oblivion or Morrowind, Todd wanted the power fantasy of being a big Nord swinging a Warhammer at a dragon. Same reason Oblivion is LoTR/Classic Fantasy style and environment, rather than its previous primarily jungle environment it had in lore. However on the actual details he's not involved, he doesn't work out the combat systems, AI, balancing, crafting, spell mechanics, etc.

I really like listening to the passion that Todd has for the games he is involved with. I don't know why anyone would quibble over things like "9000 assets" - who cares how many assets there are when the game is this good! Great video Cantina!

@TBDF12

2 жыл бұрын

He's a very gifted public speaker he could probably use a phone book as a script and seem passionate. I'm not saying he isn't just that it would be hard to tell.

@TracinyaLachance

2 жыл бұрын

It's a doubly silly quibble since "it's over 9000" is a meme in itself, and not necessarily to be taken literally (even though it might well be true).

@ashwinnmyburgh9364

2 жыл бұрын

I agree one hundred percent. I always thought people hating on Todd for no real reason was dumb, glad to see its not just me.

@Suggestedbabies

2 жыл бұрын

@@TBDF12 does he also sorta remind you of Steve Jobs? The way he speaks feels very similar

@jty9631

Жыл бұрын

@@ashwinnmyburgh9364 Yeah, unfortunately if you make a meme about a person, some other less uhhh "informed" people will think the reason for the memes is that maybe he's a bad person, and then go around parroting this invented misconception. Not really no, sometimes its just gentle ribbing. People who have been fans of the series for a long time and simply like Elder Scrolls games probably like him.

Nothing will make me go against Todd, i serve him eternally

@AlchemistOfNirnroot

2 жыл бұрын

Are ya streaming still?

@thefattesthagrid

2 жыл бұрын

76.

@Zanoladab

Жыл бұрын

Godd Howard

People act like Todd Howard personally adds bugs into the code while laughing and twirling his mustache shield rubbing his hands together.

@NinjaSushi2

8 ай бұрын

That's not true?

You're being very disingenuous addressing the criticism. Todd Howard made RadiantAI out to be something like real-life people schedules, he hyped the idea out of the stratosphere in the same way that game journalists did regarding No Man's Sky "fitting an entire explorable universe inside of a game" as if no gamer had ever heard of a fucking RNG or procedural generation before. Remember F3 having 200 endings, or F4 having ~110k lines of dialogue? LYING BY OMISSION IS LYING, it isn't suddenly not-lying because Todd decided to put 199 empty slides into the game, or that 100k of those 110k lines are actors saying 'Yes' or 'No'. Todd is a liar in the same way that selling a picture of a boat to someone who is trying to buy a boat and saying "yea but this is what you bought bro!" is lying.

Bethesda became a behemoth after Morrowind. You can’t blame one guy for organisational failures

@forrestharper609

8 ай бұрын

What about his idea for acquiring the Fallout 1,2 intellectual property 🤔

@GrievousReborn

3 ай бұрын

​@@forrestharper609don't see how Bethesda acquiring Fallout is a failure considering if it didn't happen Fallout New Vegas would never have been made

I have a somewhat descent understanding of how game development works it takes time to make those models programming npc's and quests and if content unfortunately has to cut due to time constraints so be it Skyrim is a good example of this, collage of winterhold and civil war quest lines and the lost legacy quest to name a few have cut content

@TheGameCreator13

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the cut Arena map

@TheGameCreator13

2 жыл бұрын

Also Zelda for life _▲ ▲▲

@treeaboo

Жыл бұрын

A lot of Windhelm was cut, in fact lots of unfinished and test assets for Windhelm were accidentally packaged within the finished game's files but not implemented in the game (a full folder full of unfinished or test meshes with some pointing towards textures that don't exist in the files, multiple unused textures including a quite nice door that modders have since reused) as well as a cut NPC "Sulvar the Steady" whose job was to watch *"The Wheel"* which was a huge frozen water wheel attached to the outside of Windhelm which Sulvar's job was to watch to make sure it didn't unfreeze for some still unknown reason, said wheel shows up consistently in a place of prominence in Windhelm's concept art. Of course Windhelm was also meant to have an Arena like in Oblivion, it was going to have a completely unique prison system tied into the arena, sort of like how Markarth has Cidhna Mine. As you say as well, it can't be understated just how much of the Civil War was cut, its scale was huge but almost the entire thing had to be cut in an almost completely finished state because it was so complicated in how it functioned and they couldn't fix critical bugs before the 11/11/11 release date and so everything except the 3 Capital Sieges was cut. For those who don't know, you were originally going to be able to lose sieges, as well as have sieges across every hold capital (so 9 vs the 3 the game released with), with a back and forth as you win and lose different cities.

Despite all the hate this serie get, oblivion is still one of my favourite games of all time and skyrim is a kind of love that i hate

I can't bring myself to hate Todd despite Bethesda's missteps over the years. I suppose his main problem is he tends to overhype and underdeliver with certain things, but even so it's not as if he has the final say in everything (76 for example had ZeniMax written all over it). Still, I take anything he says with a grain a salt. As far as Starfield goes, I'm cautiously optimistic it won't end up being another F76 or Cyberpunk. Hopefully Microsoft's funding will pay off.

@carlosleyva-calistenia6400

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I'm not too hyped on Elder Scrolls 6 when it finally comes out in 2030. I remember Todd saying something like "If you heard what we want to make with this game you would say 'Hey, you don't even have the technology to do that'". He makes it sound like they are planning to make something truly amazing and groundbreaking with their gameplay or something, but you can bet it's only some stupid bullshit like 3D scanned assets or whatever.

@treeaboo

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosleyva-calistenia6400 My belief is that because it's most likely set in the Iliac Bay like Daggerfall was, then like Daggerfall it'll need to cover both High Rock and the Northern Coast of Hammerfell, because you can't cover High Rock and not the Northern Coast of Hammerfell, however if you cover the Iliac Bay you have to cover the actual body of water that makes up the bay and the islands within it, which means they need to have some system for sailing and given that it's a Bethesda game that'll mean they need to actually add stuff under the water in the region. If you cover the northern coast of Hammerfell you have to cover the rest of it as well, as there is a lack of natural barriers between Northern Hammerfell and the main body of the region. As such the game map size would be by far the largest hand-made map they've ever made, and given the legacy of Daggerfall being the largest video game map at the time (until Minecraft's infdev alpha update in 2010, and is still one of the largest), they likely want to increase the game scale map scale in relativity to the lore as every game outside of Daggerfall is not to scale. We know TES 6 is going to be much larger in terms of map scale to existing TES games, the comment "If you heard what we want to make with this game you would say 'Hey, you don't even have the technology to do that'" is likely in relation to a fact revealed in another comment about using procedural generation in TES 6, which they did in Daggerfall to get lore-accurate scales, which seems like what they intend to do for TES 6 while still retaining a level of landscape detail not seen in current large scale procedural generation in games which is the specific thing that people don't have the technology to do currently.

Thank you for this video, I never commented on yours videos, since I usually nevert comment on any video I see but I feel like what you did here is to be praised, raising awereness about those things are extremely important for bethesda fans, since most of them pretty much assumes the worst of bethesda lately. This video is extreme important for clarificarion on how developments works and what Todd is trully responsible for.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

thanks man

heres a bummer: the gun-fu skill in fallout 4, when maxed out, only provides 15 times the damage of a normal shot 15!!!!!!! not 16 :((((((((

Todd is an absolute legend. He can retire if he wants and rest on his laurels of elder scrolls.

My issue with Bethesda Studio's is that they are using Papyrus with 'Gamebryo' and that their dev's are delivering sub par work because of this unique code language combined with an engine that's always at least 10 steps behind the competition, and that asks for the most insane solutions to things that are simple in other engines. They lose so much time on mundane bs, its not even funny.

I’m so glad you made a video about this. And coming from you it’s very huge. Lot of youtubers loves Bethesda fallout 4 or skyrim but criticised it because they feel it could be better, it could improve. People takes this as a reason to hate Bethesda and they blindly go with it.

Great take and Great Video as always! 👍 Just one question. What is the Movie your using clips from in the video with Ron Livingston called?

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Office Space, it's a fucking fantastic movie. Definitely recommend.

@lostliberty9913

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel Thanks. Ill check it out! 👍

Question then; if I make a promise, that I intend to keep, but then later I am unable to fulfill that promise - are you wrong to feel slighted? If he makes ambitious statements that Bethesda can't live up to, people are going to dislike him. Even if he's just doing his job and hyping up the audience is part of that. Personally I just dislike them re-releasing Skyrim for $60 every 2 or so years, but I understand if other perceive him as deceptive.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

did he actually promise you anything though??? The majority of the stuff he talks about makes it to the final product anyway.

Thanks for the very well thought out video, buddy! 😀

love todd howard genuinely a inspirational person to me the hate is entirely unwarranted and seems to come from the side of the besthesda fan base that really needs to go outside and touch some grass.

Great video, I hope the algorithm pushes this one - the message has to get out there!

Bethesda PR got to him, guys. The last bastion has fallen. I can feel his power creeeping. It..... it..... IT JUST WORKS

Could you elaborate on what you meant when you said Fallout 4 was more of an rpg than oblivion or skyrim? Because I'm not sure I understand that viewpoint at all, could've done with a bit of explanation at least.

When playing Oblivion and Skyrim I never thought I might not live long enough to see all the provinces.

I know alot of people dislike that they keep releasing Skyrim but those same people by the new version of Skyrim everytime I loved Todds take on it "If you keep buying it, we will keep selling it." Which is just standard business practice but its apparently crazy to think about. I wonder if those same people have ever been to a shop in their life.

The thing I like about Todd Howard is that he doesn’t do crunch time during game development and let’s his employees have created freedom to a certain degree

It’s interesting how not many people, for some reason, seem to realize that a lot of final project decisions come from the higher ups - and they are not usually known to make the best decisions. Many don’t even have ANY work experience with game design to understand how things work and that everything takes time. Maybe only the very basics - but that’s barely enough to “swim through” the topic efficiently. And in a lot of cases you present a concept or an idea, but the big wigs say “No, we want it this way” and there’s nothing you can do. You are being paid to do what they want, after all, even if you think that what they want is absolute baloney.

its not so much about the lies told about him. i couldnt care less about that. the point is, when he opens his mouth, he is lying. and thats disgusting.

Don't fool your self, he knows he'd being lying

How much did Todd pay you to make this??

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Elder Scrolls 6 early access, playing it right now

@nildzrecastellanos

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel But no Fallout 5 beta? You've been ripped off man.

Wait how many endings does Fallout 3 have? Could have sworn it has about 3 max

Voodoo was around for years, and was extremely successful. The problem was focusing their development *exclusively* on the Voodoo platform.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

it was successful at first but couldn't keep up at all with demand and very quickly became the lesser known graphics cards.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

at the time it seemed like it would overtake the market but that didn't happen and Nvidia became the primary provider

@infin1ty850

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel totally understand. Maybe it's just the time I grew up. I remember Voodoo being the shit that everyone wanted. I even ended up asking at one point for a new voodoo graphics card for Christmas and didn't realize the card I asked for was a PCI-E card and the disappointment of having to return it was unmessaurable.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

it was because of those epic commercials lol

@seancdaug

2 жыл бұрын

3dfx wasn't just successful, it was *the* big name in 3D acceleration at the time. Nvidia cards existed, but the smart money was on 3dfx's Voodoo line, and everyone making 3D games supported them. If the devs had the money, sure, they also supported other APIs (DirectX or OpenGL), but if you had to choose just one, you went with 3dfx's Glide. And Bethesda wasn't a big or successful company at the time, and very likely didn't have the time nor money to spend on supporting more than one API. And even that Glide-only approach that was less of a problem than it seems in hindsight. DirectX was only barely a thing, and was limited to Windows, which was a fairly niche platform for games compared to DOS at that point, and OpenGL was less still pretty primitive and support was spotty. Yeah, it stinks that Redguard is such a bear to get running properly on modern systems, but it's very much a product of that whole era of PC gaming. It's a bit of a lost generation all around.

The 9000 objects quote is from The Making Of Oblivion. He says "Our artists have painstakingly modeled over 9000 objects." I believe part of Bethesda's missteps lately have been Todd being stretched too thin. Over the years Todd has gotten higher and higher in the hierarchy at Bethesda with that comes more responsibility and less time to manage projects at a smaller level. Games with his name attached to them having varying levels of his involvement causing a negative perception when one of them doesn't do well. I do believe that some of the decisions from the past do sit on Todd's shoulders though. He is Bethesda's guiding light/visionary the try to attach him to a bunch of things hoping it will rub of on those projects. Bethesda has lost a lot of the people who shaped what there games are today, which I believe has created a bit of an identity crisis with their games at times.

say whatever you want about him. but as far as personality goes the guy is pretty normal. he got no personal politics beef or anything super controversial like that in his public image (unlike a lot of people at the game industry). also he has never put his employees in crunch, he knows how to manage a big team. I also think it's kinda unfair that people basically blame this guy for literally everything, I mean he's only a game director, you can't blame a single guy for a product where thousands of people worked on. it's just so happens that Bethesda made him their PR Guy, because he has a likeable figure. so people just bla

Lets not forget how hyped up Cyperpunk was lmao. Elder Scrolls gets hate because its so popular. Elden Ring and Dark Souls could only dream of the popularity and longevity.

it's 16x the hate!

1:42 Voodoo cards were *the* 90s 3d accelerator cards. They were super popular. The company had no idea how to run themselves, and imploded by 2000. Nvidia and ATI took over from there.

Hey man whats your opinion on fallout new vegas? out of the bethesda games i personally think its the closest to being an rpg

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I would definitely agree with that. It makes sense too since Obsidian is more of an RPG studio

One of the biggest problems is that he isn't even lying. It is often just people understanding things the way they want to hear it. Yes there are lies. But not all of them are. Often it is indeed just expectations that get blown way out of proportion through journalists and what not. Good example? Fallout 76. 16 times the detail. Everyone thinks instantly: "OH! 16 times the graphical prowess! So it must look super realistic!" While detail actually means things like buttons on a console. Clutter, junk items. Things that make the surroundings look lived in or alive. And that is an absolute check compared to Fallout 4. There you ran through open spaces with absolutely nothing in it. In Fallout 76 you can't run for 5 seconds without toppling over another scenery put together.

@xIJudaS

Жыл бұрын

"Fallout 76 will have 16 times the details and will be four times the size of fallout 4. All new rendering and landscape technology" And it was worse

@Derethevil

Жыл бұрын

@@xIJudaS Okay let us break it down then. 16 times the detail. With detail isn't meant graphics, that is what the monkey brain news articles with no clue about what is meant there instantly understood and therefore everyone was reading that. 16 times the detail means detail in world building. Clutter, cracks in the street, cars, garbage laying around. Whatever you would think you should see, when a bomb goes off at a hardware store and how it should look like. The hardware store isn't empty, all the tools and what not should be laying everywhere. That was detail and that was absolutely there. 4 time the size of Fallout 4? Come on. Even someone like you has to admit that and say that it was indeed 4 times as big if it comes to the map. All new rendering and landscape technology. Absolutely was there. Never ever had a Fallout title fresh from the devs looked so good. Believable lighting. Landscape looked really nice and believable. Nothing was worse.

I think it's got to do with Todd willingly being the face of a company that's released the same game for ten years straight and made an absolute shitshow of anything else, asking for a high priceline for games or features that often don't just work and never get fixed, this is particularly a problem in a live service game such as 76, you can gloss over the last decade of bs if you want though to be nostalgic about Todd's glory days when he actually followed through.

What’s the song at 7:12?

I like to blame him for when I do stupid things. Like that time I wanted to surprise my enemies, so I drank an invisibility potion then turned ethereal with a shout, then jumped down at the enemies. The shout ended the invisibility. Thanks, Todd.

He’s a very creative individual whose imagination goes beyond his technical ability. He means well. He’s not Peter Molyneux.

While I agree that calling it lies is definitely a bit hyperbolic and has become unchill over the years, it's still absolutely the case that he has often went up on stage or into interviews representing an upcoming game, and said things that are just false. It may have been true at the time. It may have been planned and later cut. But at the end of the day things were said about the upcoming game that ended up not being true. And that is a problem. Players absolutely have the right to be upset about that. I think it should also be noted though that it's something he and Bethesda have been a lot better at managing in recent years, simply by not talking as much about games as early on in development. Fewer things end up changing or being cut between when he first opens his mouth and excitedly spews out all the things they're planning, and the actual release. Big improvement!

I want an oblivion with the full radiant AI experience and I want it now !!!!!!

To be honest, i'm starting to contemplate castrating him with reinforced shoes, to see if it stops him from updating games that were launched one and a half freaking decade ago. Not be able to play until the modders updates their own work (not even counting the time it takes sometimes to downgrade) it starting to REALLY piss me off..

Great and classy take, thanks Cantina!

Why do people defend him so much the world may never know

If it's not in the game after being promised, then it is a what? A lie. Just because they did it and cut it doesn't make it the truth

Here's what I think. It's the shareholders and Bethesda's parent company Zenimax that should be hated on. It's not a dictatorship where Todd is God or else things would be very different. There is someone else pulling the strings as always and of course their only interest is in money and profit, unlike Todd, based on his interviews and my personal take on him, who is actually passionate about video games. This is why indie games are usually some of the best/creative/unique and do things right because they're made by a small, independent group of people who love video games just as much as us because they are us! No big, reptilian guy in an armani suit telling you what to do and how to make the game based on what's going to make us more money. Anyway, at least it seems Todd still tries to be genuine as much as he is able given the circumstances so there's that.

To be clear, nobody had a Voodoo *2* but the original Voodoo and its compatibles were very popular. It wasn't completely insane to think the sequel would be the future.

"What? That really pisses me off!"

The dude helped make some of the best games of all time. Screw anyone who hates on this man.

@Andyhoffman98

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Well said.

@123UWSHEHWHEHEHESEEEESEDEDDDDF

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhoffman98 Ok 👍

@shanewaters2489

Жыл бұрын

Not only this, but he helps to push a pro mod community, which is epicly rare for major developers. I mean if you have an Italian chef named Mario who happens to have a red cap in your restaurant nintendo is coming for your ass. Even Rockstar has devolved to corporate bullshit. The creation club was a great idea sorely limited by console implementation. I can see a future of his games supporting moderated and curated content from launch, which will once again revolutionize gaming as they have historically again and again. Brilliant business mind and creative energy. Sure, he overpromises, but to call their products underdelivering is to diminish just how good they are.

@JesterWhoHelps

Жыл бұрын

Name one

@twitch-xjuiceboxtwitch2088

Жыл бұрын

Creation Club Garbage, just let MODDERS MOD 😊

01:38 I had the Voodoo 1, Voodoo 2 (which was super great) and a Voodoo 4 4500. Maybe there weren't enough of them on the market to produce an AAA game that depends on that performance level only, but this card was far from uncommon back then. Instead it was the real graphic card, since no other product could compete with it and the Glide standard. (Until nVidia came with the TNT later.) There were many important games using that. So "no one had one" is totally wrong. DirectX and software rendering weren't good back then, so only Glide was needed intermediate step to real progression to 3D rendering at that time. (Like Vulcan, which forces MS to improve the use of CPU power in DirectX 12.) The mistake was to rely on they specific rendering api Glide, not to Voodoo itself, since their cards could render in the common way too.

@robertbopko

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. I had Voodoo Banshee and 3. Also, 5-10 friends at that time had these cards.

“ He wanted to make things more than they were “ and that’s why his worlds feel more fleshed out than any other game series.

@Growmetheus

Жыл бұрын

3:15

The thing I respect the most of Todd and Bethesda is the fact they still try new thing I know people says when something is not broken don't fix it but I don't think Bethesda is that way they honestly want to go bigger they want new things they experiment they take feedback these are things alot if companies never do when they find a wining formula look at assassin for instance while I like it they haven't tried anything actually New

Hated is an understatement, he became a legendary meme

Man I feel old. I did have a Voodoo 2 card xD And for its time... it was an excellent card!

Thanks for bringing the nuance to the discussion. I still understand the hate for the recent games, as the state of the industry simply is disappointing. Its not about mr bugetpeople doing his job, its about the systemic overuse of microtransactions in so many games, across genres and platforms. It is sad to see our beloved(hated) franchises fall 'victim' to the same awful practice

I have had both a voodoo and voodoo 2 cards and when voodoo came it was amazingly uplifting to play games with.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I thank you for the information. It's so hard to find actually reports about the cards performance.

@peterb2133

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel I remembered when Wipeout came to PC and I had no voodoo card then, the game went in only 2 FPS and it was impossible to turn off the game because everything went super slow. Buy a voodoo card and the game went like butter. Vooddoo cards were actually quite large when it came. it came up to voodoo 5 when nvida bought them december 15, 2000. voodoo 2 cards could also run in sli.

Unless he bullied you in high school, how could you hate Todd Howard?

Radiant ai is a falsification. The ai are in no way radiant or self learning they are hard scripted to pursue goals and follow narrow paths to achieve them. There was nothing complex about them, halo 3 had a similar system for elites and taking cover. Elites had goals and would change them based on threat levels either rushing the player or dodging or taking cover. Oblivion ai does nothing different it just has different window dressing. What games have you developed? All your recent videos you keep going on about how people don’t understand game development when what your saying is just daft. The elder scrolls 6 teaser, who actually thought that was a trailer? Everyone knew it was a teaser to keep fans engaged. The concept art used can still indicate their plans for the next game?

@fratrickmachomes5263

2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. This dude has the Howard schlong in his throat in this way one. Todd can’t get all the credit and none of the blame

I'm sure Starfield will have 1000 x's the detail of Fallout. Zero bugs. And I'm absolutely positive, that the modding community won't have to finish the game.

I definitely don't hate him, but I am disappointed by his plans regarding remakes and passing fallout to obsidian since we won't get fallout 5 until at least 2030

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

tbf Obsidian had a reputation for seriously burning bridges at the time thanks to a guy who no longer works there. It's a big part of why they got cut off of KOTOR 3 as well.

Like nelson muntz on The Simpsons. "Gotta hate someone."

Skyrim, including all DLC, has over 25000 3d assets. Seeing that is as simple as looking in the .BSAs. There's no way that FO3 or Oblivion could get by with less than 9000.

!!! I never comment on anything !!! I hope this gets your attention. I love these well thought out and ambitious breakdowns. You are a star bro. Put more into this kind of content. Don't over do it because people love your earnest gameplay shit too - but this was suuuuper good content

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

thanks man

Where is my 200 endings to Fallout 3..TODD?

When is the Peter Molyneux video coming out?

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

bro that guy deserves a video and it will definitely not be positive.

@Vahmung

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel you should make a video series out of this.

I don't hate Todd Howard the guy is a pioneer. I do love having a figurehead to poke fun at though, Todd fills those roles well. I respect the work he's done, and I also file every crash report with "Todd Howard got me".

Anyone as handsome as him can lie to me as much as they want

When you choose to be the front man you should expect the criticism with the applause. The problems experienced may not have been directly his fault, with the exception of a certain quest line in morrowind, but he is the figurehead and has to go out a make excuses for wrongdoings.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely understand making criticisms, but when you twist someone's words to make them the villain then it should be called out. It's very likely why he has said almost nothing about Starfield.

@fearofchicke

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel I think the “it just works” line really made an impact. I just hope they (Bethesda) don’t run pre-rendered trailers and try and sell them off as gameplay, again.

I just want them to stop dumbing their games down.

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

are they dumbed down, or are they just different?

@markwalshopoulos

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel dumbing things down isn't necessarily bad either like, a lot of features in Oblivion are quite antiquated and unnecessary

@shortfuse9443

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCantinaChannel they removed class systems, removed parts of their lore to make things simple for newcomers, and write stories that give the player too much significance. I love these games so much, but I’m also not going to ignore issues they have with evolving themselves.

Also a little fact oblivion AI is league above all other games at the time in fact when it comes to AI Bethesda outclass alot of companies I would say Rockstar is on par with them or better of we go with RDR2 but we haven't seen a new Bethesda game

I don't think his "lies" are on purpose... The guy is clearly very passionate about making games. I mean, he worked hard for his position and is living his dream. I guess it's kind of the same thing like the poor guy from hello games. He has a lot he wants in his games, what is probably in the works but doesn't pan out, at the end.

Well Todd Howard sayd it Just Works, He never Said it works Well 😅

There’s this small group in the fallout Community that just seems to despise Todd for essentially ruining Fallout, for retconning events so that they don’t align with previous lore, for dumbing down the multiple choices and simplifying mechanics etc etc. There’s this one channel that pumps out anti-Bethesda Fallout content daily, it all feels so hateful and misdirected at Todd. I didn’t like Fallout 4 I think it’s inferior compared to 3, but I appreciated that it got many people to talk about fallout and potentially led them to learning about this franchise. At the end of the day Todd is just the spokesperson for Bethesda. He’s the guy with the big red target on his face for representing a company that has been involved in some rather dubious behaviour. I’m glad this video exists to potentially calm the fires of the Todd hate and maybe we can go back to a more civil time where he was memed on because people were hacking Skyrim.

Well, he did just lie about 11-11-22

@TheCantinaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I mean that's not really a lie. Especially since its was the corporation head trying to force him to hit that target. But if a longer dev time means a better game that all the better.

I've always said it, and I'll never stop saying it; I love that man

Todd Howard went from being gaming's golden boy to gaming's resident "It just works" - er.

Todd is a fucking awesome dude seriously haters take a nap

My dad actually met Todd Howard once, he didn't even know what Bethesda really was at the time, but he pulled cable in a new office they had.

Saving up the game to count up crashing can be little annoying, and if you count broken Fallout 76 a lunch it's not suprising.

Fallout 4 more of an RPG than Oblivion? 😂

Starfield probably hasn't done Todd any favors.

@TheCantinaChannel

18 күн бұрын

ya probably not

Lying is knowingly not telling the truth, which I don’t think Todd has done

crap, i spilled my SKOOMA into the SUGAR BOMBS. shrugs, what could go wrong?

I don’t think he is straight up lying about stuff, just talking shit he can’t actually keep up with.

@seancdaug

2 жыл бұрын

It's the Peter Molyneux problem, except that Todd Howard is nowhere near Peter's level of overpromising and underdelivering.

Bethesda needs to bring Michael Kirkbride back to write the story for the games.

he just spent too much time at the chess club then coding

@zuziamaciaszek3935

2 жыл бұрын

Who's laughing now?