I’d say Attack would actually be the second most important aspect for a combat aircraft. The most important aspect being “fly”

@Big_Bantha

Жыл бұрын

Dammit, you beat me to it

@wowdanalise

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was my answer too. Beat me to it.

@paradiselost9946

Жыл бұрын

no no no! this is a cleverly designed decoy, to be allowed to fall into the enemy hands so as to confuse them and lower their guard...

@scottjustscott3730

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was thinking that too. Pretty important.

@osmacar5331

Жыл бұрын

flying is part of attacking.

Most importantly it must fly! There are many aircraft that didn’t even do that very well.

@xgford94

Жыл бұрын

To split hairs I would argue that any Aircraft that did not fly is actually a “Terracraft” and if it never moved then it’s a paperweightcraft

@RobinsVoyage

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@RobinsVoyage

Жыл бұрын

​@@xgford94 ...no.., because a hot air balloon is an aircraft but it floats.

@s.davidtrout3056

Жыл бұрын

I was about to say the same

@junahsong130

Жыл бұрын

​@@RobinsVoyageit does not fly, it fools around like a jellyfish in the sky 💀

What is the most important thing a military combat aircraft needs to be able to do? Being able to fly seems to me to be the obvious answer. Or maybe it can drive around killing people like that Stuka from Carmageddon 2.

@TheWhoamaters

Жыл бұрын

Ground attack F-104 drag racer

@BufferThunder

Жыл бұрын

totally didn't copy the "flying being most important capability from another comment . . ."

@TheWhoamaters

Жыл бұрын

@@BufferThunder Almost half the comments here are that, get off your high horse

@BufferThunder

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWhoamaters bruh this ain't the wild west, calm your britches cowboy.

@Cotac_Rastic

11 ай бұрын

​@@BufferThunder Totally didn't copy your letter, sentence structure, grammar and vocabulary from the english language 💀

With the il102 in the 80s Ilyushin tried to return to the business of constructing battle planes. Only problem was: the Su-25 was already in service.

@Serub

Жыл бұрын

Well, if you dive a little bit deeper, the state competition for the new attack craft started in the 70s, but since the sukhoi bureau was working on an attack plane since 1956(!), By the time the design inspection phase of the competition came, while the Ilyushin bureau presented some blueprints, the Sukhoi just rolled up with a flying prototype, and immediately secured the competition. That's why the il-102 first flew in 1982,even though the su-25 was put into service in 1981.

@joaogomes9405

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea how good the IL-102 may or may not have been, but I'm guessing that if it managed to be beat by the fucking Frogfoot of all things, it must have really been a hunk of junk. Also wild that even in the 80s there were still banking on the exact same design philosophy they used for the IL-2. I know that plane is iconic and all, but come on. It's a 40 year old design.

@Serub

Жыл бұрын

@@joaogomes9405 Not really, at least on paper, the IL-102's flight characteristics were moderately superior, and its' max payload was better, too. Also, obvious bait, but I'll bite: what's wrong with the Frogfoot? Seems like an alright plane to me, even in comparison to the A-10.

@DIREWOLFx75

Жыл бұрын

@@joaogomes9405 "if it managed to be beat by the fucking Frogfoot of all things, it must have really been a hunk of junk" That sounds very delusional and ignorantly stupid considering how effective the Su-25 has shown itself to be in the REAL world. And how many western aircraft do you know that is capable of flying 6, even 8 missions per day? Oh right, doesn't exist.

@ivanlazarevic78

11 ай бұрын

​@@joaogomes9405SU25 is great aircraft.There is nothing wrong with it even today

It took a long time to figure out boundry layer aerodynamics and intake design. Its why the 50s projects were some of the most fascinating

The ill-fated Supermarine Swift suffered from the same gun problem. When an early varient had two extra Aden Cannons bunged on, they were mounted right at the nose. Result? As with the Il-40: flame- ut for every burst of gunfire! I found this out from a neighbour who is now 90 and who did his National Service with a Swift squadron!

@invertedv12powerhouse77

Жыл бұрын

Modern fighter jets have a counter measure for it thats pretty simple. They have extra igniters that act as a backup, but also they all fire off when the gun is fired

@anzaca1

11 ай бұрын

@@invertedv12powerhouse77 Actually, what most fighters do is simply have the muzzle located behind where the engine intakes are. When this isn't possible, yes, the igniters do fire when the trigger is pulled.

@invertedv12powerhouse77

11 ай бұрын

@@anzaca1 its also with the hip station missiles they fire when the rocket gas can enter the intake yeah.

It looks like something straight outta Pre-war Fallout

I’m loving this channel, just working my way through each episode. Well researched, well narrated, with bone dry humour. Love it! Thanks!

Interesting that they kept the tailgun. The Navy's BuAero had determined that a tailgun and gunner were obsolete by the mid '40s. Both the Douglas AD-1 Skyraider and Martin AM-1 Mauler were designed as single-seaters early in development.

@derrickcox7761

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but a tail gun is just cool.

@HootOwl513

Жыл бұрын

@Derrick Cox OK, Yeah. And a remote tail gun is even cooler. But is it worth the C/G penalty? Also, the USN had zero ZEKES to worry about as interceptors at that point. The Red Air Force had NATO.

@fate3071

Жыл бұрын

Some of the B-52 bombers still in service have tail gunners. I believe the last recorded tail gunner kill by a US bomber was in Vietnam against a MiG-21

@haruspex9662

Жыл бұрын

@@fate3071 B52's tail gunners were all decommissioned. They removed them from all active B52s in service. the last airman that had the designation of rear tail gunner left the service in the 90s.

@johnhickman106

Жыл бұрын

On bombers, there are no more tail gunners. We still have them on helicopters. Many old B-52 tail gunners moved to helicopters in the early 90s. Some as gunners, some as flight engineers.

MiG-9 can make a good company for IL-40, 'cause it wasn't able to shoot its guns without speed and altitude restrictions

@George_M_

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes the military parade only plane.

@greenefieldmann3014

Жыл бұрын

Elbonian Air Force idea?

@dx1450

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I remember watching a video on that one. Having a fighter aircraft which can't fight means you just built a target.

@anzaca1

11 ай бұрын

@@dx1450 Paper Skies?

F86 Sabre: Nothing can scare me! Meanwhile IL-40 with a sawed-off double barrel shotgun: 😏

Dude, I’ve never heard of this thing. It’s so badass wtf… u earned that subscriber

Very underrated channel. Hope you get to 10k soon!

Just wanted to say, your logo got me to subscribe. I get a chuckle every time I see it.

I really like the Il-102, it's a shame that they never put it into production. It's the true definition of a "flying tank". 😊👍

@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised if some African country decides to buy some.

@falrus

11 ай бұрын

@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis That something Ilushin hoped for in the yearly 90s

Nice work man! You deserve more subs 😎👌

In Soviet Union, Air Fresheners are always RED, comrade!!!

what is the most important thing a military combat aircraft needs to be able to do? fly, obviously! it would just be an oddly shaped car if it couldn't do that.

Honestly, it looks like the most bad ass ground attacker i ever seen. The way they moved the engines forward and down doubles as protection for the Pilot and vital equipment.

I honestly thought from the sketches, that the wings could collapse in on themselves. That would make storage and transport of them easier!

@anzaca1

11 ай бұрын

Those are wing fences, which are devices that help control the airflow to reduce stall issues.

very enjoyable video

great video. subbed!

very interesting video

At least it doesn't talk like a robot, and has interesting content. 😊👍

Damn that first sketch actually kinda resembles the Su-25 and could have been solid.

I swear the IL-40 is the William Afton of military aviation. It always comes back.

I don't know why but the first line got a song stuck on my head. "Hey everyone, did the news get around bout a guy named Butcher Pete"

Finally it was offered for sale as IL-102, but everyone preferred Su-25.

So knowing how pilots and ground crews have a way of nicknaming craft, I wonder what this thing would have been called if it had been put into full production.

@fallingwater

Жыл бұрын

Boomstick?

@johnhickman106

Жыл бұрын

Shitbox

@subtlewhatssubtle

Жыл бұрын

@@fallingwater I don't think the Russians had such a term. Given its ground attack role and large twin opening snout, maybe a pig joke would be in order...

@fallingwater

Жыл бұрын

@@subtlewhatssubtle Бумстик

@subtlewhatssubtle

Жыл бұрын

@@fallingwater I mean that's the literal translation but I have my doubts it existed in postwar USSR...

0:08 here is the broad answer: it must be able to complete its mission and bring the crew home intact.

@alexdemoya2119

Жыл бұрын

Imperial Japanese Army Airforce late in WW2: "It must be able to complete its mission"

@HALLish-jl5mo

Жыл бұрын

Doolittle raid was a failure then?

@patrickradcliffe3837

Жыл бұрын

@@HALLish-jl5mo in one sense yes, yet the aircraft was was doing several things it was never meant to do.

@inisipisTV

Жыл бұрын

​@@patrickradcliffe3837 - But, it still did it's job and the Raid forced the Japanese to attack Midway so they may finally finish off the American Aircraft-Carrier threat the Imperial homeland.

@patrickradcliffe3837

Жыл бұрын

@@inisipisTV the mission had the desired effect, but was not wholely successful because the aircraft was asked to several things it was not designed to.

Very interesting video on a very strange looking plane.

Never saw this one. Great.

I would say that the most important thing a military aircraft need to do is fly. If it can't fly, it's not an aircraft.

@yixuan7043

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought

Being able to fly in the first place is kind of really important, especially for an aircraft...

Wow those 6 cannons actually have around the same rate of fire as two GAU-8/A rotary cannons, albeit with a smaller projectile, but that's still a lot of firepower.

In the USSR, there was another IL-76-40 aircraft project of the early 1970s, but it was not put into production due to the high cost of manufacturing the aircraft had 2 jet engines and a variable sweep wing, the interest was that the aircraft could fly at an extremely low speed of about 90 km/h. This it was achieved by changing the angle of the wings, it looked like a butterfly, that is, there were two pairs of wings, at high speeds they took the shape of an arrow, and at low speeds it looked like reverse scissors blades were supposed to, that the aircraft will be able to deliver cargo to the military technical to hard-to-reach areas for aircraft landing

Soviets loved wing fences on their aircraft to prevent airflow from defecting to the wingtips.

Most important: fulfil its role.

What is the most important thing a military combat aircraft needs to do? Fly, unlike the Bloch 150 of the Christmas Bullet!

@peterbrazier7107

Жыл бұрын

*or the Christmas Bullet!

First answer that popped into my head was "survive" then after 3 seconds of thought "protect the pilot and crew" . A bit meta maybe?

Wonder how the rear gunner will eject with that cable above his escape hatch and the tall vert.stabilizer some 3m. away?

The Prototype looks like it was inspired by the proposed improved ME262

Hello could you please do a video on the Messerschmitt me 334 or the Messerschmitt m 34?

I wonder if that problem with exhaust gases from the cannons was what contributed to the A10 Warthog having it’s engines mounted in such a novel way?

@beeble2003

Жыл бұрын

I think it was mostly to avoid them ingesting rocks when operating from unpaved fields. It also allows lower wings, which makes re-arming easier.

@chrismartin3197

Жыл бұрын

Hides the exhausts from IR on the ground

@scottthewaterwarrior

Жыл бұрын

I do actually wonder why this isn't a more common problem with jet aircraft?

@patrickgriffitt6551

5 ай бұрын

The A-10 has/had the same problem. Gas from extended firing of the cannon would cause engine flame out. It's been taken care of.

The longest lived aircraft that was never taken into service? And wow, if it could hold its own against MiG-17 like that, they really should have tried making a fighterversion of it. Remove 3/4 of the armor and, damn, you should have a pretty darn good flier... Re-equip it as a missile launch platform and make it the first air superiority fighter/interceptor? This was actually a very fascinating subject...

Nobody thought of wingtip armament pods like the F89 scorpion? Cheapest fix!

Most important thing a military aircraft needs to do is fly.

How did the rear gunner actually aim the rear facing autocannon? Some kinda optical tunnel system? Walking tracers only?

@fate3071

Жыл бұрын

I believe they had simple computers by that point for aiming defensive armament. Look at the americal B-29 or italian P.108B

Concorde had a similar issue at the sound barrier. Blast can be a headache.

Attacker than can't attack. Water than can't flow. The sunrise at the west. This is such an army thing

I’d say the most important thing a military combat aircraft needs to do is be able to fly

Many responses say it must fly, but an aircraft wouldn't be an aircraft if it couldn't fly. I would say the most important is that the aircraft must be able to keep the flight computer (the pilot) alive, for without a pilot all else is moot.

The most important thing a military combat aircraft needs to do is the job it’s designed to do.

The engine flaming out due to the guns smoke+gasses getting in sounds just like the issue with A-10 development. In that case, i think that every time the cannon is firing, the engines are continually fed spark to keep them going/reignite asap.

Most important thing a military aircraft needs to do is get the pilot home. Planes can be replaced as easily as the factory can churn them out experienced pilots are a lot harder to come by.

I am starting to spot a certain trend in Soviet engineering...

@stevenclarke5606

Жыл бұрын

Being cheap to build and look good in military parades! Everything else is an optional extra that wasn’t specified!

The most important thing is that it has to be able to be used in some way!

The SU-25 was & is a great ground support aircraft

@anzaca1

11 ай бұрын

Not really. It's slow and vulnerable. Plus the gun is basically useless today. Guided weapons mean low-speed/low altitude flying isn't needed.

@No-timeforimbeciles

11 ай бұрын

@@anzaca1 In your opinion

What happened with the double barrel planes?

The Mig-9 also had problems with the gun choking the engines, which were not satisfactorily solved.

Who would have thought the ilyushin would be an illusion

Can we appreciate the idea of a ground support tactical nuclear missile.

You ever wondered why the Soviets didn’t just mount the guns next to the engines like the f15?

The exhaust gas of the guns causing the engine to stutter, wasn't that the except same problem on the mig 9. (Or at least one of them)

that rear turret 😵

Piston driven prop plane. Sir, do you even A2 Skyraider? That thing saved friendly downed pilot lives, took enemy lives by the bushel, and was piston driven prop plane from the end of the 40s. It had it's greatest run in Vietnam. The 1960s. An airplane driven by air-cooled radial, was attacking and annihilating ground targets while rescuing downed pilots. It could handle all pak 1-3 targets at least, and was deadly accurate With attack aircraft the question is: how slow can you go? A2 sub sonic, performed great tons of armor and durability F100? Can drop willy Pete or napalm on our own guys because when you're going 800mph below 500 ft, I believe there's a chance to misidentify the target as everything in front of you is a blur Illyushin would design some of their more successful Aircraft over the years along with Mikoyan Every military builds ugly birds that don't perform well. Hence the needs for test pilots and the process of development of ones military technology

Nuclear weapons as close ground support seems a little over the top, just how close can you drop a nuclear weapon to your own troops without actually killing them as well.

_What is the most important thing a military combat aircraft needs to be able to do?_ Flying. Everything else is optional and depending on its role in combat. 🙂

Hey, this is why we call things “experimental”. You pretty much figure out problems at first as you go then just keep improving until you have something that works. Sometimes you end up with something that works really good. Sometimes you end up with something that, just works, but barely. And sometimes you end up with something that just stops receiving government funding.

@anzaca1

11 ай бұрын

Except this thing was never meant to be an experimental aircraft in any way.

I really want the IL-40P in Warthunder

How do jets usually avoid sucking in the gases from their own guns?

So you're telling me this plane initially had the same issue as the MiG-9?

The combined rate of fire of 4800-7200 rounds per minute rivals common Gatling guns, but with a different mode of failure and wear mitigation, and a more "shotgun-like" dispersion pattern, rather than the Gatling gun's "If one round misses, they're all likely going to be off-target". It's probably heavier and requires more maintenance to have 6 individual guns, but it seems like they could also be more useful if they were pulled from the plane and mounted on "Technicals", if a given situation were to become so dire, or for a renewed life after the plane's obsolescence. The American solution, which is the M-61 Gatling gun, can really only be placed on another airplane, since it is the standard sidearm. We don't even see them using older ones that have been slowed down and put on armored vehicles for airfield defense, and the CIWS systems probably use factory fresh guns, because they must hit a smaller target, and accuracy is supercritical... Then again, the available in-field footage of CIWS in action is that they tend to run out of ammo without hitting anything, so maybe they are using "refurbished (sham scammed)" guns.

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

Жыл бұрын

Not really much harder to maintain then 6 gsh-23. M61 compensate it by having 6 barrels and electric motor. Also gatlings have same (if not worse) shotgun pattern. Just look up ridiculously low accuracy of A-10 gun.

@buckstarchaser2376

Жыл бұрын

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 We seem to be saying the same thing, differently. Thanks for adding the notoriously bad GAU-8 to the party though. A gun so bad that publicity enhancement (ie., propaganda) has to refocus all discussions to the sound it makes. Having sat and watched the A-10s gracefully flying around the mountains of S.Korea, I think it's a shame that it be burdened with a horrible show-piece of a gun. It's like when people start criticizing the policy of a female politician, and from nowhere, people jump in with "those boobs", "mommy", "she's hot". The A-10 could probably do so much more, and better, if it simply deleted the gun and used that nose weight for systems that work. Maybe even put a second seat in there, and have a chin turret with optics that can - at least - see the enemy. The thing has so much wing and engine that it could likely do a lot of the work that the B-52 does, but with much less meat, money, and paperwork.

The ability to fly is number 1 for me...

I'd say It's supposed to perform a mission which changes the outcome in favour of the deploying side, i.e. if the aircraft's combat role is to be an airstrip decoy, then it doesn't need to be particularly fast, maneuverable or have large firepower... :)

what about military reacon planes or military cargo n transport planes?

All sizzle and no steak

The first time you said the name of the plane, your pronounciation made me understand "Illusion Il-40". What I find quite funny for that aircraft. 😆

The Mig 9 had basically the same issue

It does rather look like a shot gun. I wonder what gauge that might be?

Personally I would say that the most important thing for _any_ aircraft of _any_ type, is to be able to fly. All else is secondary. edit: I don't mean this as a joke either. Just look at the plethora of so-called aircraft that could never take off.

The most important thing is to be able to FLY and not CRASH.

Nice to know that the USAF was not alone in the pea-brain scheme of completely abandoning ground attack in favor of nukes.

IL40-P...as in "Pig" as it looks like a snout! The MiG-15/17 had the same gun configuration right below the intake with the barrel in front of the intake? Did that cannon not put out enough to foul the intake?

0:11 Carry out its assigned task.

Wow, that's a rare bird you find there.

Since we are talking about aircraft - fly?

Shit like this would be a cool thing to add to warthunder as a event vehicle.

You see, comrade, its a GROUND Attack Aircraft And if it hits you on the ground, while starting/landing/crashing, you will go down. It works as intented.

It needs to bloody fly mate! They tried some that didn't

I dunno I guess to be able to perform its assigned mission set that it was intended to perform after the final design stage cuz from step 1 to the finish of the design the missionset/s might differ because of changes in politics or strategy

Fly?

Exactly how close could nuclear close air support be?

@ZealothPL

Жыл бұрын

Look up davy crockett nukes

My first thought when I saw the prototype was inspiration heavily borrowed from the ME 262 HG III concept

A military aircraft must be able to reliably get into the air (preferably quickly) and stay there, with ideally a good loiter time and rugged durability to stay in the air after coming under fire.

0:18)The Flying Boxcar. C119. 4:41)About the same rate of fire as the Civilian Model Thompson Submachine gun. 800 rounds per minute. 13.1313 a second. 50 round drum magazine was "dry' in about 3.5. 100 round was less than 8 seconds of continued fire. Navy Model is 600 RPM. "Dry" quicker. Box magazines hold 30-32 rounds.

Yes! They could have used the green tree airfreshener! Those were invented in 1952 so were available! 😂

@calanon534

Жыл бұрын

Soviet General: "Comrade Special Operators.. today, KGB asks you to undertake GREATEST MISSION of INCREDIBLE DANGER against hated capitalist pigs of United States, for The People!" Soviet Operator: "Da! We blow up Hoover Dam?! Knock down imperialist Statue of Liberty?!" Soviet General: "No, Comrade.. you must steal.. _Little Trees!"_ Soviet Operator: 👁👄👁

No I would say "Fly" is the most important thing for any aircraft to do.

0:35 what is that plane?

Couldn't they just mount the guns to the wings? That would the muzzle flash problem and has getting sucked into the engines.