"Very few trains running on Southern lines"- Nice to learn nothing has changed.

@sr7791

Жыл бұрын

Delays and daily fatalities on the roads too,another thing that hasn’t changed

@dwho19951

Жыл бұрын

I think soon something had changed about it

@IThinkYouLookLarvely

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps news reporters now often calling railway stations "train stations"!

@davidhorn6008

10 ай бұрын

Obviously, The Wrong Sort of Wind!

@angelacooper2661

9 күн бұрын

​@@davidhorn6008I blame my friend Gail for this - her nickname is Windy and she certainly proves to be a force of nature!

This was a classic Bay of Biscay cyclone. France sees this kind of storm about once every 30 years. They hit the north and Scotland about once every 25 years. They don't often hit London, and that was the 200 year part of the storm. The same models that missed with this storm nailed the Burns Day storm three years later. It's not an exact science. Londoners, thinking these storms only affect places like France and the US, just got a rude awakening to the fact that it can happen there too.

7:15 - Rowridge transmitter on the Isle of Wight took a pounding back then. It transmitted BBC1, BBC2, ITV and Ch4 back then to the south of England. No cable or satellite back then to rely on.

I remember going to school and it being a windy day, and feeling quite chilly too !!

I remember this back in 1987

Was 18 and living in Streatham SW2 at the time, slept through the worst of the storm. Awoke around 5am for work, no power, couldn't believe my eyes when I ventured out. Shop signs swinging, alarms going off everywhere, trees down, wheelie bins and milk crates blowing around the roads. Was still extremely windy at that time. Was around same time as the king's cross disaster. R.i.p. to all who lost their lives in both events.

@angelacooper2661

9 күн бұрын

You are therefore a year older than me - I would have been a seventeen year old YTS trainee at the time. It was my brother's 20th birthday the previous day. His name is also Anthony, by the way!

@anthonywhelan8220

9 күн бұрын

@@angelacooper2661 hi Angela

I remember it well seeing trees literally snapping like matches, Truly frightening

9:17 someone having a bit of fun in that mk2 Escort!

@davebalfour5229

4 жыл бұрын

yeh with an X pack aswell , lucky guy.

2:55 - Michael Fish being made to eat humble pie! :D

@David.L291

4 жыл бұрын

wouldn't it of been something if there was a sudden blizzard or something after he said this hahaha

@tmck2000

3 жыл бұрын

His post-factum contribution to the tragedy is to my eye less than voluntary and has a rather whimsical establishment "stiff upper lip" whiff about it.

When I was at college I went to this birthday party of a guy from my class and Michael Buerk's son was there as well, friends with the guy obviously. He actually ended up taking me back home afterwards. It took ages cuz he went the total wrong way at 1st. But it was mad I met him like that. I used to love watching '999' back in the day, so it was quite the occurrence for me obviously

17:15 “Well Ian, you chaps were a fat lot of good last night!’’ - lol, that definitely wouldn’t be allowed these days.

@sillygoose635

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yes it would these days.

@David.L291

4 жыл бұрын

hahahahaha that's brilliantly great that is lol classic

@tmck2000

3 жыл бұрын

Fatuous and vacuous remark from MB. We live on an unstable rock orbiting a fiery ball at 66K MPH subject to myriad, random risks of annihilation. To think the efforts of fellow homo sapiens who work for the met office in a field less than a century old should take the rap for not insulating the UK citizenry from exceptional meteorological phenomenon is nonsense.

@davidrobins1021

3 жыл бұрын

@@tmck2000 Yes, quite. Just wish McCaskill had said that, or at least words to that effect.

@mbvideoselection

3 жыл бұрын

Millions of people unable to get to work. If only they realised that would be perfectly normal everyday in 33 years' time.

RIP "Tramp"

@dashcam26

3 жыл бұрын

We have 'smartened' it up now to "homeless person"

@moonlightttt156

Жыл бұрын

Poor guy should not been left put in it

Wow! "The only death in London was a tramp". As if his life didn't matter at all. How the use of language has changed.

@andrewdaley3081

4 жыл бұрын

The use of language might of changed but people still don't care. Andy England 🇬🇧

@aj9855

4 жыл бұрын

You simply wouldn't get away with use of language like that today

@jamesmcgrath578

3 жыл бұрын

@@aj9855 More’s the pity

The interview with Ian is painful, yet I think there's no denying that the MET let everyone down that day. I don't get why they would just go "ahhh it's midnight - better not bother calling half the essential services to warn them or anything"

@Mitjitsu

3 жыл бұрын

He was sleep deprived, as a result of working the night shift the day before and not being able to get home as a result of the weather. Not in the best frame of mind to deal with being grilled by an interviewer. However, the people to blame are not the weather forecasters, but the MET office.

@johntomlinson6849

8 ай бұрын

@@Mitjitsu Er, the weather forecasters are/were the MET office?!

"Why are we unable to cope with severe weather"? The clue is in the word "severe". Show me a country that can deal with a 1 in 200 year event relative to their climatology without any problems.

It's very simplistic to blame Michael Fish, Ian McCaskill etc. for not getting the forecast right, the Met Office had many employees putting together the weather modelling.

“Too dangerous for children to venture out,” despite being the grand age of 7 it was brilliant to venture out! We had no power for three weeks (not days! As they said), family all slept in the only room with heat, head to toe in sleeping bags. Brilliant as a kid, I feel for my folks though!

How condescending was Michael Buerk in some of the interviews.

I was 10 yrs old and living in Westcliff-on-Sea when the storm of '87 came...I slept all through it 😴 🤣

Sounds like Bill Giles was to blame rather than poor hapless Michael Fish. From the tone of Michael Buerk's voice, it was clear who he thought was to blame :)

I remember this night well. I woke up in the middle of the night when a stray branch came through my bedroom window. Shortly after a massive horse chestnut tree came down in our front garden. Very lucky to not take out the front of the house. We lived in Essex, no TV was on, we later found out we had lost our ariel. Power was on and off all night. The only thing we could get was radio 1. Was a scary night for a 12 year old!

Worked right through it packing lunches for the city down on Canary Wharf at Docklands. Reminded me of Cyclone Tracy back in Darwin, Australia in 1974. I recalled it being called Hurricane Andrew back in the day.

If this had happened in northern England it would’ve just been a storm and been brushed over but because it was in London and southern England it’s the great storm.

@stickytapenrust6869

6 жыл бұрын

That's because to us in the North, it *is* just a storm! :D

@nickda1

6 жыл бұрын

and it was a great storm mate unless you was in it you wont know what it was like i for one heard it and was woken up by it and never got back to sleep after that so trust me it was the worst storm i have seen

@Pixel1962

5 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Haslam You weren’t in it, Mate...

@serinadelmar6012

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pixel1962 I was there too, and it was crazy. Bay of Biscay storm gone rogue, over 110mph winds, so much damage, many lost parts of their homes or worse. we had no leccy for three weeks and camped in the lounge but hey I was 10 so it was equally exciting!

@serinadelmar6012

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickda1 definitely

I remember this happening even though I was only 3 years old at the time. I remember my mother tucking me into bed and said there's gonna be a storm tonight. I remember sometime later I could hear the wind rustling badly and other things which scared me as I was trying to get to sleep. When I woke up in the morning my mum took me into the garage and showed me the damage the storm had done. It had blown down part of our garage wall.

My parents where on the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry just 1 or two hours before the worst of the storm. I slept through it and lost about 1/3 of the tiles on roof on the west side of the house. Front garden was fill of tree branches. Had no TV for a few days as the local TV transmitter stopped working.

The one thing the Met still hasn't done is set up a weather radio service that doesn't depend on the internet or mass media. The colour warning system works as long as people have access to the internet, as long as they have a TV or broadcast radio turned on and, more critically, if they are wake. The US has a nationwide system of VHF radio stations operated by the Weather Service broadcasting forecasts 24 hours a day. A receiver is about $35, and it has a decoder that will set off an alarm and broadcast a warning as long as the receiver has power, mains or battery. They have sirens for the alarm that will wake the dead. In the case of 1987 storm, warnings, even if they happened, would have gone out when most people were asleep. All the emergency services have radios at their offices so they get warned at the same time as the citizens. We have all the same web based warnings as the Met, but the VHF radio network is our fallback if everything else is out.

@RepublicTX

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you about the weather radio service. The biggest problem is convincing the public they actually need them. Sirens are not really well represented in the US. They're mostly in the tornado alley states of the Midwest and some in the SE of the country in what's called Dixie Alley. In my part of the country on the Texas Gulf Coast, the old civil defense sirens from the 50's did double duty for tornado warnings, but those were dismantled in the 70's and in any case, only served large cities. I've experienced many natural disasters in my life, and they taught me one thing: do not depend on government or anyone else to keep you safe because they can't. All they can do is help clean up the mess when it's all over. If you can't get out, nobody else can get in, so plan to be on your own for quite some time and have a plan in place to care of yourself and your family. In the case of this storm, would the outcome have been all that different had everyone been warned? Would emergency services have been able to reach people any easier? The trees would still have come down, roofs blown off, the electrical grid and communications lost. Would people have tried to evacuate given a few hours warning? In a city the size of London, that alone would have caused more deaths with people stuck on the roads at the height of the storm as we saw in Houston with Hurricane Rita.

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@@RepublicTX I'm an amateur radio operator and Skywarn volunteer with the NWS. I'm in favor of discontinuing all of the siren networks. They are incredibly expensive to maintain, don't add anything to warning times, and aren't even heard by large numbers of people. With better insulated homes, cars with the a/c or heat on all the time and windows rolled up, and people out shopping in large stores where the sirens can't be heard most of the time, we're much better off getting people to use a cell phone, local media, or portable weather radio for warnings. Even if you hear a siren, you get no information about things like what direction a storms is coming from and how much time do you have before it hits. Sirens are a legacy form the cold war that needs to go away. The problem in the UK was the hour this storm hit. There was no public warning system, most TV was off the air at 0300 or had prerecorded ads running, nothing to wake people up and let them take cover as they could. Even being under a bed is better than sleeping in one when the roof collapses. We also have to remember there were no such things as smartphones in 1987, ad even cell phones weren't common among the general public. The UK Met Service now has much better monitoring and satellite data than in 1987, and it's not likely another 1987 type storm will sneak up on the country. there's a mobile app to track storms now and some rudimentary warnings. I don't think it's enough but the Met Service apparently thinks it is. It's also important to realize that the UK just doesn't get the kinds of storms we get in the US. Not to diminish the number who died, but the death toll from the 1987 storm was 22. We lost 23 people from one long track tornado two weeks ago, and will probably lose at least 250 more during this tornado season. .

@RepublicTX

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 Very cool that you're a radio operator and part of SkyWarn! My dad was big on ham radio and I still remember his call letters: WA0ZJN. My grandfather ended his meteorology career as the MIC of the Albuquerque office, so my family is steeped in weather awareness. I completely agree with you on the siren issue, and you're right, it's a very expensive system with little reward. I grew up in Kansas and even as a child, they just became part of the background noise in storm season. Off the top of your head, do you have any idea what it costs to set up and maintain the weather radio system? The biggest problem as I see it is getting the public to pay attention to weather, preferably before the warnings go out. Case in point, all the people who had to be rescued from flooding when Harvey visited Houston. Nobody really believed we could get 30+ inches of rain, and most people didn't understand the event was just getting started for us when the storm made landfall in Rockport. It was beyond ridiculous that city and county authorities didn't tell people in low lying areas to evacuate. I didn't wait to be told and bailed out 12 hours before the rain began, taking many of my neighbors with me. Those who remained had to be boated out at 3:00 am when their homes filled with 6 feet of sewage contaminated water. (That was my 3rd and, God willing, LAST flood. We've moved to higher ground and hopefully away from the Gulf coast in a few more years.) I felt a bit like Chicken Little trying to get people to leave, but most insisted that a constable would personally knock on their door and tell them to evacuate if it became necessary. Of course, no such thing ever happened. The problem is that by the time it's necessary, it's too late and physically impossible to leave; hence, my sermon on self-reliance. Don't get me started on the need for flood insurance. LOL!

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@@RepublicTX Good for Grandpa and good for you for being weather aware as well. Now go get your ham ticket. It's easy now. No code to learn and 35 question multiple choice test for an entry level Technician license that would take maybe 10 hours of study if you have any kind of electronic knowledge. I have an Amateur Extra license, the highest you can get, and I'm an idiot. You can do it, and Grandpa would be proud. :-) The NWS All Hazards Radio System was expensive to begin with. My guess is over $100 million to establish and expand the system in the 70's, so a lot more in 2019 money. It's a much cheaper system to maintain. I don't have any current figures but it was about $30 million nationwide on over 100 transmitters. Most of the transmitters are just commercial versions o ham repeaters, and they last a lot long and require far less maintenance now than in 1970. Replacements are in the $3,000 range compare dto $35,000 in 1970. They all use text to speech synthesis so no human labor is required other than to type up the warnings distributed by text to other outlets. It's a good system but I one I don't think would be cost effective for the UK. They just don't have enough killer severe weather. A more comprehensive smartphone alert system would make more sense. I also spent 27 years as my county sheriff's department's search and rescue coordinator. There are people who are aware of hazards around them and hose that aren't and I don't think there's anything we can do to reduce the numbers of those who aren't. Some of them will be less each year as they dies because they didn't take precautions or evacuate. I have lived way too many years to think I can change human nature now.

I remember this MASSive violent force 12 storm I was only 17 years old, and I knew it was coming because there was a late forecast around midnight when winds began to strengthen. I lived in Golders green north London and the wind sounded like a Boeing 747 flying past my windows ! Absolutely amazing night and I'm stormy weather fanatic. Then the storm of 25th January 1990 hit during the daytime. 🌪️

@serinadelmar6012

3 жыл бұрын

I was 10, just outside Brighton, and definitely, it was insane!

@angelacooper2661

9 күн бұрын

You are therefore the same age as me, because I was a 17 year old YTS trainee at the time and remember it very well. My brother Anthony turned 20 the day before!

15 and in Kent, remember the huge oak trees toppled, was on work experience as a plumber, never became one!

and nice to see Harry Enfield's Tory Boy making an appearance at 19:20

Bakerloo line running between Elephant & Castle and Barking?

Michael Buerk says that some areas of London were still without power at 1pm. We were lucky in Charlton then. We were only cut off till eleven in the morning

I was living in north London at the time and had no memory of the event, having a good nights sleep, I woke up and only saw a tree branch in the road at Highbury, couldn’t see any structural damage.

@ian_b

3 жыл бұрын

I was in Camden in a top floor flat. I woke once in the night (perhaps because of noise), looked out and noticed it was a bit windy and went back to bed. I had no idea anything was wrong until I got the bus into the West End where I worked and there was a tree down in Gower Street.

2019 and its 23:34 and I am watching this lol

Remember this well ,!!

If nothing else, firewood was readily available that winter!

18:05 - "We didn't tell the ambulance people. They didn't ask us to" - errrr.... isn't it common sense to tell everyone you can about weather as bad as this without them asking? Especially the emergency services who could spend time preparing to rescue people and clear up the mess left by the storm that the Met Office failed to predict until it was too late?

@aaronsmith2155

5 жыл бұрын

+Ferguson Videostar my thoughts exactly the emergency services shouldn't have to "ask" to get warning they should know automatically

I got up as normal about 7.00 am and got ready for work, we didn't have rolling news then. When I stepped out the door my neighbour said that everywhere was shut and that it was too dangerous to go out. It seemed a bit windy. I tried ringing work but the phone was dead and local radio confirmed what I'd been told. I noticed that some tiles had fallen off the roof and embedded themselves in the wet soil. I went back to bed grateful to miss out a day of work.

Extreme weather and Iranian oil tankers? Sounds just like 2019.

@jackwatson3944

4 жыл бұрын

Don't be silly by 2019 most British cities will be under water.

shit yourself when Michael Fish says "it's going to be a bit breezy" 2:55

That woman is so happy reading news.send her a spike milligan show to watch before going on Air

poor Michael Fish had to go on TV next day too

it's worse in Tottenham - oh no it's a Harry Kane

17:15 Buerk was acting like a ... prick !! They didn't do it to piss people off it can happen it's uncontrollable and they do get most forecasts right

@sillygoose635

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, smh

@David.L291

4 жыл бұрын

so you work for the met office do you lol, keep ya pants on hahaha

@davidbull7210

Жыл бұрын

Slight exxageration?

@anonUK

Жыл бұрын

As the computers get better, the prediction of the weather patterns and locations improves as a result. However, the timings are still often way out so you often don't know which weather is going to hit at which particular time, which is the information you need. Bring back the slug-based Tempest Prognosticator!

4:10, is Highcliffe, Dorset

17:13 Michael Buerk come on man they didn't get it wrong on purpose not like you did drink driving

2:44 she almost laughs when she says who's doing the weather lol

These days we cut down trees when rich people complain about pigeons shitting on their Maseratis

Six of the seven oaks in Sevenoaks was blown down.

Angels decende this day to start observing how negotins would advance on world peace. They have been watching eversince.

19:15 - I didn't know Tory Boy was flesh and blood and not just a Harry Enfield character?

@David.L291

4 жыл бұрын

???

Day off school. Can't be bad.

Michael Burke is hilarious! how condescending?!! Not allowed to talk like that nowadays, of course 🤐 Reference to the ‘tramp’ not funny though 😲😔. I was 15yrs old, living in the Medway towns. The Convent private school, Sittingbourne, Kent was ripped apart, all our course work was over the hockey 🏑 pitch & tennis courts. Sorry Sister Mirriam but the storm ⛈ ate my homework!!!! NO school for weeks; YEY!!! 🎉

@gerrynicol3951

4 жыл бұрын

Love it

1:50 The Bakerloo Line runs to Barking?

1:48 - the Bakerloo line goes to Barking does it?

@SOSOwner

6 жыл бұрын

Uh, no. They could have meant Baker Street.

1:40 BAKERLOO LINE running Elephant to BARKING??????

Oh michael fish did you get it so wrong lol

I was only 2 when this happened. I have been a liar for 40 years.

Like the dig from Michael Buerk at 17:15. But of a feeble response from Ian McCaskill.

@toddhunter3137

9 ай бұрын

McCaskill was conducting himself professionally on air unlike the impertinent Michael Buerk, the way he spoke to Ian was totally unnecessary.

I remember it vaguely I was only, 6.5 years old, so probably didn’t, pay much attention. However, I do remember watching the news at times, if only to name the newsreaders. Must have been pretty bad though!!

“The only person who died in London was a Tramp”. Lol how language has changed 🤣

17:15 I want to be Paxman

I bet Buerk wanted to toss all those weather chaps right into The Wash.

PETER BOTTOMLEY LOOKS LIKE ELTON JOHN!

Nice

Great clip Martin but would you please also have the rest of and/or the ending of the news to upload?

@martinwellbourne2674

7 жыл бұрын

Hi James. Thanks for your comment. I do have the end but unfortunately I recorded over a section in between. A bit a short-sighted ill discipline at the time. I suppose I could stitch together what I do have though. I'll have a look at doing that.

@jameswindle7065

7 жыл бұрын

Great Thanks. Uploading the ending as a separate clip on its own would be fine. I also manage to record over a few videos!

A TRAP WAS KILLED IN THE STORM HE WON'T BE MISSED THEN

4:12 - what the hell are they doing? Have they never heard of a chainsaw?

@dissonantdreams

6 жыл бұрын

El Astronaute that bit did make me laugh. Wonder how long they were there for 😂

@TheEtruscanhorse

5 жыл бұрын

El Astronaute Have you never heard of initiative? Did you know that an estimated 15 million trees were brought down in the path of this storm? This was not the only one that needed attention. Every available chainsaw was in use elsewhere.

@epilobia1

3 жыл бұрын

Not many people had chainsaws then - the craze for destroying woodland hadn't got fully under way by then and was mainly left to the Nature Trusts and Forestry Workers . It's quicker to axe a large trunk than to hand saw it and a lot of the trees that were down on roads were massive . I remember walking underneath four big poplars , the trunks of which wrere wider than your outstretched hands .

Nooooooo Michael 😂

78 Martians were seen in a rowing boat off the coast of Portsmouth just before the storm hit that night.. About 20 minutes later, eyewitnesses said they saw the boat turn into a spaceship and the Martians were heard shouting at the fish in the Solent off the Isle of Wight..😇😈😈😈😈😈😃😃😃😃😃👽👽👽👽👽👽👾👾👾💀💀💀💀

@gerrynicol3951

4 жыл бұрын

Love it

Slept through it. Cardiacs gig, was 'in me cups' so to speak. Got up for work, motorbike blown over. Pulled out onto road; thought IRA had been at it....night I'll never forget!

Eeuw seaman floating about in dover sea area...... hope you swimmers back in 87 kept your mouths closed 😱😱😱 RIP tho the lost fishermen that lost their lives tho on a more serious note 😔

Nice to see Buerk's unsympathetic grilling of a dishevelled Ian McCaskill in full.

@dominewimbury9120

7 жыл бұрын

Ian McCaskill admitted in a 20th anniversary documentary shown on ITV in 2007 that he still hated Michael Buerk even that many years later. Bitter man

@iVenge

6 жыл бұрын

Domine Wimbury He got what he deserved, for being so bloody daft. Bunch of idiotic wallies.