Anyone that sees this video and has a minute, let me know, do you prefer something like this that I put time into, or would you rather I have just been like "hey, buy a 3080, it's cheap, fast and available" and have it quick and condensed to like 5 or six minutes? Ok, so, with the outcry of the AMD fanboys I am going to acquire an AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT sometime this week or next, and ill settle it once and for all. We will be testing both gaming and workstation type uses... my judgement will be just and it will be final. Worth noting guy im getting the card from also has a 3080 and he believes the 3080 is the superior card, take it or leave it...

@Safurn

22 күн бұрын

But do you think getting an RX 6800 XT instead would be worth it for the extra vram?

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

​@@Safurn Interestingly, my buddy who, like me, buys tons of this stuff has a 3080 and a 6800XT and he thinks the 3080 is better. My opinion is that both cards are incredibly close and that the Nvidia features edge out the AMD card especially if you are not 100% certain gaming is the ONLY thing you are going to use it for. HOWEVER, Im going to find out for myself, and to that end I am going to be acquiring the 6800XT sometime in the next week(ish) and im gonna find out for myself. ill probably swap out my 4090 and do some nonsense "4090 owner switches to AMD video"

Thanks for this comprehensive and very informative video mate. I am going to update my system soon and while i am planning to still use my GTX 1070 for a while i already started looking for the current options and i think a 3080 would be perfect for me. I am happy with my 1070 and will see how it performs with a new CPU and RAM update and i case its not powerful enough (which i doubt since i only play competitive games on low settings or single player games on 1080p) i will go for the 3080 for sure, even though buying a 4090 just to have one is super tempting :D Greetings from europe!

@dragonsystems5973

23 күн бұрын

The 1070 is a good card, If you are planning on updating your cpu, I'd look at like a 12700k, or whatever the comparable AMD part is first, you might just be surprised at how hight your 1070 performs when you pair it with a fast modern CPU, look back a back and I did a video where I paired an old GTX 950 with my 13900k, also, I believe I mistakenly listed the card as a 960

@Deioces-jv7rk

22 күн бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 I totally agree! I love my 1070 and i am probably going to update to AM5 and something between a Ryzen 5 7500F and Ryzen7 7800X3D. I think switching to a new AMD platform is much more future proof at the moment than staying with Intel. I thought about buying a i5-12400F a week ago but sadly its not supported by my super old mainboard so i have to go for a full upgrade. I will see how my 1070 performs with the new components and decide if i update the GPU to a 3080 some time later but i think updating the rest will boost my performance enough to make me satisfied.

I bought a 3080 used for just over $400 around 2 years ago, and it's been great at 1440p for me. Some of the new games definitely take some tweaking to get over 100fps, and some just won't without dlss, but price to performance for what I got is great.

@dragonsystems5973

21 күн бұрын

They have actually been available for $350 to $400 for a few years now if you look in the right place

🙂 agree, I think the second wave of 3080's that had more vram with a total of 12GB seems to be the sweet spot if your using 1440p monitors, I didnt know that that those cards have come down in price, I have an EVGA FTW 3070 ti 8gb because the 3080 12GB was alot more money and they were all out of stock when I purchased it brand new from Microcenter back in the day. Yes prices of video cards are very weird. For my other pc I picked up a Radeon card just to have something different to tinker with an RX 6950 XT 16GB. I noticed one thing annoying about my radeon card, I have it hooked up to my old Samsung TV, and all I get is a black screen while its booting up so I can't see the bios screen but its fine once Windows launches, I tried my 3070ti and with that card I can see the bios screen. So what I ended up doing with my Radeon card was adding an additional 24 inch monitor and putting it underneath my TV screen, so whenever I need to check my bios I turn on the smaller monitor. Thanks for the tips and have a nice week.

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

Technically I was talking about the 10Ggb, based primarily on price and availability, , however, that being said, one of the best deals I ever got on a 3080 was a 12Gig, so it really just depends on what is available in your region and on ebay at the time... Honestly, I love watching guys like Greg Salazar and Tech Yes City brag about their deals... im like bro, here in seattle thats ewaste...

@MrSamadolfo

22 күн бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 😊 yup I watch them too, waiting on the next Fix or Flop video

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

@MrSamadolfo I'm still kicking myself for not starting a channel back when I was at the height of it.. it's gonna sound full of myself, but I'm deffinitely better at this than tech yes city... he is terrible at sourcing hardware, and because of that his prices are shit and he complains about sales... also, the Seattle market I'm in is just way more interesting from a tech standpoint

@MrSamadolfo

22 күн бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 😊 oh really, i didn't know that about Seattle, i think Australia everything is a bit more expensive but they do have Kangaroos so theres that heehee

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

@MrSamadolfo the only place I've seen with a used tech market like Seattle is the San Francisco Bay area

My brother just got a 3080 from a dell prebuild for 350 or something and he said is a really substantial upgrade from his 2060 super but also said you really dont need to expent that much to get a good experience. Good video it was informative.

@dragonsystems5973

23 күн бұрын

Different people have different definitions of playable... I'd tend to argue that on current gen games a "really good" experience starts at a 1080Ti and goes up from there. If all you care about is the story, you would be generally happy with an old gtx 980... sometimes when I build cheapo systems with those I'll spend hours testing cyberpunk and just having fun with it

@elcancerv7804

23 күн бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 I'm aming for a 4070 or rx 6800 or 7800, right now i have a rx 6600 and ist really playable and i have play alot of new and heavy titles, but i want a more stable expirience with more fps

@dragonsystems5973

23 күн бұрын

@elcancerv7804 well... the 4070 is faster, that card competed with and my understanding was really close to the 3080, but I thought it was usually slightly inferior... what resolution are you going to be playing at?

@elcancerv7804

23 күн бұрын

​​@@dragonsystems5973 1080p because that is what i have right now, eventualy ill upgrade to 1440

I just upgraded my cpu to a 14700kf but I might wait to upgrade my 2080 until blackwell releases. 3080 is a respectable card but im trying to fly! I wonder if there are gpu rentals 🤔

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

DO NOT take that rental thought one step further, there is someone waiting to rip you off... stop, do not do it :)

I bought used 2080 ti gaming x trio with box for 230 usd. Im getting good temps with 1k rpm 68c on max load. I dont think I should regret buying that one right?

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

Yeah that's not bad, I've actually been wanting one if that exact card for testing but they are usually priced to close to what I can get a 3080 for on the local market... here in Seattle the tech scene is... well... something of most techies wildest dreams

im still rocking the 3060ti 12gb, thinking about upgrading to the 4070 super by the end of this year

@MrSamadolfo

22 күн бұрын

🙂 yes that makes sense because it has 12GB of ram

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

I dont have enough info on hand to tell that would be good or bad, but I will say, I have never found the gains to be good enough on mid level cards generation over generation to justify it... I guess if you are in the position I am where its not really a financial burden maybe, but then you would be looking at at least a 4080... I know it would be an upgrade, but im not sure how big. If you need it to be a really long term purchase, say 2 years+ id definitely be looking real close at what the actual gains are under all your potential usage scenarios

I've owned both 3080 and 6800XT, rn the 3080 is as low as £300 which is £20 less than typical 6800XTs. Performance wise there's not much in it but the 3080 is on average slightly faster but there are a handful of Radeon optimized titles like Call of Duty. One thing to note is that a 10gb 3080 in VR can get VRAM bottlenecked very quickly, found this to be a big issue with BeamNG in specific where the difference between the 6800XT and 3080 10g was 60fps, I could not use high or ultra settings without the game crawling to 14fps, it ran at 70+ on ultra with the radeon DLSS can help drop VRAM usage but not every title supports it, AMDs Fluid Motion Frames is pretty sweet in games that don't support upscaling not that I'd ever use FSR, I would just drop the settings but getting some sort of FG is better than none which 3080 doesn't support AFAIK

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

Thank you :) yours is the kind of opinion someone asking these questions needs to hear, not that of the AMD fanboys

The 3080 is fine, but today we can buy the 7800XT for $500 or the 7900GRE for $550, and both, like the 6800XT, are equal in rasterization (the GRE is better) compared to the 3080 and pack 16GB of VRAM. If RT or other Nvidia features is/are your jam, then a 4070 for $540 or 4070 Super for $600 makes more sense than a used 3080. Longer driver support and full warranty are by themselves worth the extra cost, which, spread out over the time you'll be running the card, is easy to offset by skipping a Starbucks or Red Bull or two every week.

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

I largely agree, but not everyone sees money that way, and $600 is, to be fair, almost double $350

Agreed on buying a 3080 but just wanted to add a bit. They released a 12GB 3080 in early 2022 that is 95% or more the same performance of a 3080 Ti. Just make sure that your CPU is strong enough for a 3080 as AMD Zen 3 5000 series is barely enough even a 5950X. Also the 3000 series GPU’s are known to run hot (VRAM especially) so buying one with a good heatsink is preferable. Good example is a EVGA 3080 XC3 vs a EVGA 3080 FTW3. The FTW3 cards heatsink is twice the thickness then the XC3 and offers much better cooling. As mentioned a 3060 and even a 3070 is a waste of time as their performance really is no better then a 1080 Ti. If you care about Ray Tracing and DLSS then that really is the only improvement you will notice unless you’re using them on 1440p. Lastly the performance difference between a 3080/3080 Ti/3090/3090 Ti is very small so unless you need more VRAM a regular 3080 10GB will be just fine. Before the peanut gallery chimes in I’ve personally owned or still own a 1080 Ti, 3070 Ti, 3080 and finally a 3090 Ti so what I’ve mentioned is based off of real world performance not artificial benchmarks like what is seen on other channels. 12GB of VRAM is still enough for the next few years unless your playing a game that requires a large amount which not many do at this time. Personally I went with the EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 for two reasons. It’s the last of the high performance EVGA GPU’s (have had many over the years) and for the $700 it cost me the 24 GB of VRAM makes it future proof for at least five years without breaking the bank on a 4090. Just to reiterate make sure your CPU and RAM are good enough before buying whatever GPU because if it’s too weak you are wasting time and money on a GPU that can’t utilize your system properly.

@dragonsystems5973

20 күн бұрын

Soo... I generally suggest the 10gig, the price difference for the 12gig is usually too much to justify, though I have gotten a few deals on 12s, so they are deffinitely out there. You are soo right on the actual performance difference between all the 30 series cards 80 and higher. Pairing a 3080 with an older CPU was my biggest mistake. I see machines on the local market with a 3080 paired with like a 9700k, or actually I even bought one paired with a 10600k, but that was a year and a half ago and I picked it up for $800... still have the case..

@South_0f_Heaven_

17 күн бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 Haven’t checked in a while but yes the price difference was about $150-$200 on eBay between the 10 and 12 GB 3080’s. Just one other thing for people to consider is how big the GPU actually is. Built a B550M Micro-ATX system and the only 3080 that fit comfortably was a EVGA XC3 version as even a 3070 Ti FTW3 was pushed up against the motherboard USB 3.1 header. Ran into the same problem with weak CPU’s as well so just went with a 5950X try and brute force the issues paired with a 3090 Ti. If I hadn’t had gotten the Crosshair VIII Hero so cheap would just sell and buy a 12th or 13th gen Intel. Considering just selling the 3090 Ti PC if someone wants to give me a lot of money for it and just hold onto the other one until prices come down a little more. Would think by now people would have learned that a 5800X3D was nothing but a overhyped mess that they are still having problems with trying to unload all the broken ones being sold as 5600X3D and 5700X3D’s with cores disabled. It’s so cringe people buying 4090’s to put into 3700X, 5600X and even worse a 5800X3D then claim how great a system they have.

ii just grabbed a 3090 for 700 ( i wanted the vram)

@dragonsystems5973

21 күн бұрын

What?? I woulda held out for cheaper.. I've seen the as low as $550

Dont dox your zip code (it's early)

i would rather pay $550 out the door for a xfx rx 7800 xt merc 319 and get better performance and newer support

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

My mentality is the same as yours, if im spending $350, I might as well spend $550... however, there are some among us who have more self control than that.

@magnussrr

22 күн бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 look into resident evil 2 maxed it can eat more than 10Gb of vram ... and in most cases games a terribly optimized these days and thats outside of texture modding or 3D rendering as for dlss the rtx 30s dont get the new dlss version hence the rtx 40s but up scaling aside and ray tracing cores witch the rx7000 series has and Smart Access Memory price for performance there's no point .... $350 is alot to shell out for a architecture that is already almost 2 gens out now that blackwell is soon to release self control has nothing to do with it ....

The only gpu worth getting performancewise is the 4090 period. Pricewise none of them are worth it.

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

This video is about used cards, specifically when found for around $350

bro really said 3080 better than rx6800

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

And of coarse I knew I should caveat that with "the AMD fanbiys will tell you I'm wrong" the FACT is that the cards are really close. Personally I believe the Nvidia card edges out the AMD because the are incredibly close even before you factor in Nvidia features, and my guess is as time goes on and DLSS adoption increases it will become even more so... but Mr AMD fanboy here is soo convinced of his opinion that he laughs at mine when in fact my opinion was fair and honest about how close they are. Do not trust fanboys, their opinion is too biased to be worth anything

@3pokrobloxvideos456

22 күн бұрын

16gb of vram vs 11gb of vram I already know what I will choose

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

@@3pokrobloxvideos456 oh.. you are on that train... good luck with that, I suspect you are obsessing over this number without taking all the system specs and other factors into account. Also, I care about reality, not potential, I care about what the benchmarks say TODAY.

@dragonsystems5973

22 күн бұрын

Also, none of you asked for additional information about the users system... more information about his system use is needed to make an honest recommendation. Is he really only ever going to game? Then the amd card might be a better option... does he dabble in streaming on the side? That alone could tip the scale

@CJWall_rott

22 күн бұрын

I currently have a few games that max out 12 gigs of vram fh5 for example a game that everyone can agree is well optimized gives me vram warning and usually it’s fine but I still get random huge frame drops I could turn down settings but turning everything to the right feels good

why the fuck would anyone buy that when they 5090 is life half a year away? even if u have to for some reason have that card in 6 months the price will get cut in half anyway. why would anyone waste there money now, either way ull be kicking urself hard in 6 months cuz u spent way too much on outdated hardware. if u want a GPU just fucking wait for 5000 series then if u must have a 3 generation old card atleast itll actually be cheap not 500 for a 4yo card.

@dragonsystems5973

21 күн бұрын

That's pretty much my argument