I loved when in The Good Doctor, Charlie Bucket said "It's Surgeon time!" and then charged his patient with a devastating medical bill.

@picturethis4903

Жыл бұрын

lol also the term cr*ppling is abliest towards physically disbled people

@Drax69420

Жыл бұрын

@@picturethis4903 Oh. Whoops. I didn't know, my bad.

@Stachelbeeerchen

Жыл бұрын

Surgeons usually don't charge you. Its the administration of the hospital that calculates and delivers your bill. Here in Germany its almost 0€

@Drax69420

Жыл бұрын

@@Stachelbeeerchen ah, that explains some things. Thanks for the info.

@near4316

Жыл бұрын

charlie bucket 💀

Autistic person here: I find it hilarious that many of the autistic people I know do not relate to The Good Doctor, but they DO relate to House, the other show that these folks made. That show--starring a bitter, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic drug addict who portrayed autistic characteristics BY ACCIDENT that the show had to retcon itself in an episode saying out loud that he was not autistic--has more autistic fans than the show starring an actual autistic character.

@katherinecolglazier2909

Жыл бұрын

Fellow autistic person! YES! thats what I was thinking, I just watched all of house and I was like wait, he's "one of us right?" and then there was that whole episode that was like "nope" He is still in my autistic cannon.

@RandomSkyeRoses

Жыл бұрын

Autistic people may relate to House because of how he shows subtle autistic traits that are relatable while not pandering to autistic people

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

​@@katherinecolglazier2909 Fellow autistic person: sorry, but I don't get why on earth you'd want him. I had to stop watching the show because of his increasing misogyny and racism.

@FuzzyKittenBoots

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... or it might be because House is portrayed as cool and funny and confident and like he doesn't give a shit and people only dislike him out of envy... meanwhile Shaun just does not pick up that people think he is being rude or annoying or wrong. he's not cool, he's no confident and people constantly underestimate and pity him. Like yeah who wouldn't rather identify with House?

@RandomSkyeRoses

Жыл бұрын

@@FuzzyKittenBootsI don't like how Shaun talks or how he's often portrayed as socially inept

I work for a local ABC affiliate and one time a different show aired in the good doctor’s time slot and a 90 year old woman called us on the verge of tears about it

@kaylasays

Жыл бұрын

omg I used to work for an ABC affiliate too!! Those old ladies were ruthless bruh

@mirandabee2323

Жыл бұрын

Gonna pretend the old woman just had a major crush on Freddie Highmore and that was all lol

@bannedmann4469

Жыл бұрын

Wait, we can just call y'all? Is it just to gripe? Or can I autistically ask questions, and make suggestions?

@IVolunteerAsFangirl

Жыл бұрын

@@bannedmann4469 please don’t call just to talk, send an email. Most newsrooms don’t have “front desks” and people are trying to do their jobs, phones interrupt our work

@BuckerydogSchmuckeryDog

Жыл бұрын

It's always the old people. I work at a radio station and wow, relentless feckers

The Good Doctor being made by the same guy who made House MD makes so much sense.

@maddie827

Жыл бұрын

Ikr a protagonist who instead of just being unempathetic and having a dry sense of humour like House, what about someone who doesn’t have the capacity to understand other peoples emotions and instead of being just incredibly smart he has a super hero level brain (?)

@CTHRTTTCK

Жыл бұрын

A hundred percent. I had to stop house MD because the racist jokes towards the only black person on the show, was redundant and tiring. I only continued a few more times because of Wilson, one of the only good characters in my opinion

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

​@@CTHRTTTCK Same here. It was as if the writers were using the character of House to vent all their racism, misogyny, antisemitism, etc without getting called out on it. And the excuse was "but he's in chronic pain." Pain can definitely make you angry and unpleasant to deal with, but it's not going to make a non-bigot say bigoted things.

@kichiroumitsurugi4363

Жыл бұрын

​@Maria Aguado Ball Gee, it really was getting that bad? God I'm not looking forward to my dad telling me to watch later episodes

@ConnorLockhartYGO

Жыл бұрын

At least with _House_ Gregory is intended to be a dickhead.

I have autism and multiple trans friends. We're not robots, we can learn new things.

@brynniefresh9746

Жыл бұрын

I think that some topics are hard for us to grasp tho…like certain things I can hear the reason why, have it explained and then still don’t really understand…I didn’t take it like Shaun was a robot but more like he needed someone to explain shit better (like he was trying to treat a patient, ask questions, and being told shit all at the same time that might be overwhelming and confusing) like when he got a chance to ask questions you can see he was trying to understand…and at the end of the episode he is getting it

@brynniefresh9746

Жыл бұрын

@@wildoranges I did not read that whole thing but it’s literally not autistic person it’s most likely neurotypicals writing an autistic character how they think they’d think…they don’t even know that much about medicine either cause some of the shit on medical shows is dumb as hell

@BellaSwan18

Жыл бұрын

I’m even better at holding the ppl around me to correct gendering of my friends. Like… damn I think the cis ppl who wrote this aren’t ok

@ordisyggdrasils9655

Жыл бұрын

@@wildoranges also it doesn't even make sense to write him this way, he is shown doing so much research into every case almost, he should have respected his colleges and patient at first and stopped misgendering her and then done research which proofs his transphobic beliefs wrong and his colleges right, which could have been something maybe. In the original show timeline he should have gotten a warning from his employer for being disrespectful to his patient and colleges. its too dumb

@dimetrodonz

Жыл бұрын

There's also plenty of trans autistic people. Im one of them.

Lmao Shaun just admitted, he never studied anything after med school. What a horrible doctor.

@hallm3lbp

Жыл бұрын

Haha I thought that too 😂 my sister has been a midwife for many years and she’s still studying and taking new courses.

@abigailchiesa1337

Жыл бұрын

Ok I’m not a doctor but isn’t that like…a requirement to keep your medical license??? My partner and I are both in careers that require licenses to practice and we need to do a certain amount of continuing education every few years to keep our licenses active, to make sure we’re up-to-date with research and best practices. Writing it into the show that your main character literally hasn’t done their required CEs is actually insane

@fey0217

Жыл бұрын

@@abigailchiesa1337 yes, doctors have to take a medical board exam every 10 years if i recall correctly.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

@@fey0217 More than that, medicine is evolving constantly. There was an old episode of Scrubs that touched on this. Dick van Dyke played a doctor that everyone liked and was best friends with the boss but it turned out he should've retired years ago because the way he treated his patients was alarmingly and dangerously out of date. When the boss confronted him about this, he tried playing it off as being old school. The boss shut that down immediately telling him that at this point half the stuff you learn in med school becomes obsolete in five years, which is why he travels to medical conferences and conventions at mediocre hotel ballrooms basically every other weekend to learn about new advancements because it's his responsibility to keep up with that.

@bellascerpe933

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@fey0217 they do - my mom is a doctor and she had to take her boards again last fall to renew her certification. The medical group she works for also gives the doctors money every year that they can use for continuing medical education.

i hate this show and the way it depicts autism BUT people are getting a little too comfortable mocking an autistic character having a meltdown. just saying.

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

Which sucks cuz his acting and the writing made it comical and not just awkward or intimidating as it shoulda been

@gabriellebertrand3054

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t seen enough of the show to have an opinion on it, but the way people were SO READY to mock and meme an autistic character’s meltdown says a lot.

@FairyBogFather

Жыл бұрын

agreed!!! I'm seeing non-autistic ppl be like "this is ridiculous" and "this is comical" when this is actually what autistic meltdowns can look like! the good doctor's version is still only a simulacrum of the real thing, since it is written, edited, and directed so poorly. but still, neurotypical ppl need to sit down and listen to actual autistic ppl before they criticize autistic representation in media, otherwise they are just perpetuating the problem of us being misunderstood and misrepresented.

@samf.s.7731

Жыл бұрын

@@nailinthefashion oh I wouldn't want it to look intimidating at all. Just ... Tragic.

@tonybalony1811

Жыл бұрын

@@jamespadilionijr8362 Cringe can = autism.

In my opinion, a good representation of an autistic person that recently came out is the Korean show Extraordinary Attorney Woo, which has one of the best and most thoughtful portrayals of an autistic person I've ever seen. Edit: Incase anyone is wondering, I am autistic myself, and I liked the show because, while I'm not as far on the spectrum, it's the first time I've really related to an autistic character and felt represented.

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

That show actually hit a little too close to home and so I had to stop LOL

@lunasuji

Жыл бұрын

attorney youngwoo is... a tricky show. on surface level many people feel good with it but by the nature of how kdrama female leads are framed, having that mixed with depictions of autism leaves with something that becomes uncomfortable and patronizing if you look at it closer. not to mention instead of "extraordinary", the word from the original korean title basically translates to "weirdo".

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

@@lunasuji I disagree, and see weirdo as being just as reclaimed as queer generally is. Feel how you feel, but I appreciate the representation and think it's a great show for people who generally don't have firsthand experience

@lunasuji

Жыл бұрын

@@nailinthefashion the thing is that word does not carry the same implications for reclaiming in Korean, at least not from native speakers I've asked and the uses for it I have seen. What makes it clearer to me is that while the show was airing, it quickly became a fad in Korean to call someone "weird" a "Youngwoo" in a derogatory manner. It's fine to enjoy it, I'm not the fun police, but there's definitely something to criticize about its framing, especially in the context of how "childish" women are portrayed in South Korean media, and just a lot of little details that feel patronizing and annoying. But like you said, it's a fine show for people with no other experience because, in my opinion, the show is made for allistics to feel good for empathizing with the poor little "weirdo" girl. Oh well.

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

@@lunasuji I don't believe we should or can ever shy away from the pity aspect though. Of course, to each their own, but she IS a weirdo and sometimes it is used to mock her and sometimes it is an honorific. I believe in normalizing the use of it positively, we can have more shows like hers and less like the Good Doctor. We are weird, some mask more, some don't want to acknowledge it and some want to be proud weirdos. I think there's room for many different shows, so thank you for sharing your opinion! I'll keep your thoughts in mind as I write my own scripts.

Biggest issue with Good Doctor is how Shawn doesn't even feel like the main character in his own show. Clair is way more of a mane character than him. Also the show makes such a fuss of having Shawn learn a lesson at the end of each episode but then any development resets by the next episode

@TheDanishGuyReviews

Жыл бұрын

I was just about to comment that this feels like the kind of show which would snap back in the next episode, and I am really hoping they don't do it here, since misgendering a person is needlessly cruel.

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

Also, Morgan has her new backstory every episode. She’s like a human representation of retcon. One episode, she was miscarried. Another episode, she’s a victim of sexual assault. It wasn’t laid out in the earlier seasons or being carefully written with the respect of the issue either. These plot threads just came out of nowhere for a sake of episodic drama.

@MeakH1

Жыл бұрын

Watch all seasons of the show, you don't necessarily need to feel like the main character to even be the main protagonist. Shaun still is the main character but to make the show more entertaining, several characters have their backstory. Shaun even has several scenes where he makes it about him.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

So basically it sounds like that time Boy Meets World basically lampshaded the show's premise "How can I learn so much every week and STILL BE SO STUPID?!"

I'm autistic and I have been watching this show for years. I certainly have my issues with the portrayal of autism but to be honest, it also has a lot of good aspects when showing autism too. Shaun has a love interest who is neurotypical and gets married to her. She does not infantilize him in the relationship. it is a relationship of equals. They even just had a child in the show. That is not something you see often. He has friends, lives on his own, etc. So yes, it is not a good portrayal in any way, but it does a lot of other things well.

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

I'm also autistic, and the scene with him insisting the trans girl is a boy because chromosomes is making me want to tear my hair out. Because: 1) ok, he's a surgeon, but even surgeons have been educated in biology beyond high school Intro to Bio level, & 2) the show is kind of justifying his ignorance by implying it's "logical because it's what the autistic guy thinks."

@princessmanitari4993

Жыл бұрын

​@@mariaaguadoball3407especially because autism is actually known to see through gender; most of us identify as lgbtq+ in one shape or form, and most trans people are autistic. (Based on statistics and hearsay)

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

@@princessmanitari4993 This! Though, tbf, I don't think it's actually "most" trans people, just that a higher percentage of autistic people are trans relative to allistic people who are trans.

@RandomSkyeRoses

Жыл бұрын

Just because Shawn doesn't understand or believe in being transgender, he does not have the right to misgender a patient

@mariagabrielaangulocamacho3554

Жыл бұрын

Me being autistic yet being enough empath to defend my trans friends an respect people's identity

Every time he calls that little girl “he” an angel lost it’s wings

@iamupsidedown5657

Жыл бұрын

omg autistic people are so wise! they see the world as it really is, without the bias of societal structures! they definitely all have the same deeply transphobic worldview that i do bc it's objectively correct, which is how autistic people see the world

@alexbrookma

Жыл бұрын

everytime a young child gets groomed the devil cracks a smile

@tamarabrugara

Жыл бұрын

​@@alexbrookma did your priest tell you that in between fidling ?

@alexbrookma

Жыл бұрын

@@tamarabrugara nah just the local drag queen

@ih8cheali

Жыл бұрын

@@alexbrookma lmao the numbers of christian leaders who hurt children vs drag queens… if you care about kids then you’re mad at the wrong people bro. quit being a weirdo and do actual research before looking dumb

I've thought about this a lot and I think the reason the portrayal of The Good Doctor (surgeon) feels so insincere is that, while each individual trait portrayed is something an autistic person might do, they don't coalesce into a coherent character. A lot of neurotypical writers write autistic adults like larger autistic children. Like, autistic kids do often struggle with metaphor or need time to process new information but by the time you're old enough to be a surgeon you'll either have developed strategies to navigate those situations or you're in need of full time care (in which case you probably wouldn't have the option to become a surgeon). It doesn't help that in at least 2 of the clips I've seen they have Sean ask literal children to explain things to him and the children give more eloquent and thoughtful answers than he is capable of. I think this is why the most honest-feeling portrayals of autistic characters are accidental. When writers base a character on people they've known who (unbeknownst to them) are autistic, they end up writing characters who behave like people, rather than caricatures who behave like wikipedia summaries.

@Anonymous_Gambito

Жыл бұрын

Folks will see autistic people more as a set of symptoms in a diagnostic criteria than as actual people, so they specially struggle to write autistic characters with more lived experience, because they can't fathom how these characteristics may evolve and change with time and circumstances so instead they just copy paste the DSM and call it a day.

@littlemoth4956

Жыл бұрын

This is probably the best explanation I've seen on why it feels so wrong.

@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz

7 ай бұрын

Id like to add that masking usually isnt represented. We are smart, and can pickup that others may feel we are weird for something and that has a negative effect, so we just learn to act more like them and some people may not even tell us apart from neutorypical people at firsy

@mjf40087

4 ай бұрын

This is beautifully written.

The first time I saw a commercial for The Good Doctor, I said to myself, “They’re not going to handle this well” and then immediately it disappeared from my mind until I saw this video.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

I personally had been unaware of the autistic angle, it just seemed like a Doogie Howser ripoff

@samf.s.7731

Жыл бұрын

It seems like it is as you fortold...

@GnarlyRaePepsi

Жыл бұрын

I feel like I haven’t really seen any piece of media handle this subject very well. Anyone have any recommendations for a show or film that does?

As an autistic subscriber of yours and as someone who has trans and non-binary friends, that clip of Sean misgendering the character puts us in a bad light and even stereotypes us as not understanding the gender terms.

@emperorbailey

11 ай бұрын

Me too, and I might have asked the same questions that he did in this episode when I was 4 or 5 years old and though that "pink" signified anything. This is a grown man? How long has he been on our planet?

The clip of rob lowe crushing the man's chest with his bare hands is peak comedy

@evangelistamono2200

Жыл бұрын

Even more so if you’ve seen him on Parks and Rec

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

With zero blood 🤔

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

I can’t unsee it now

@TupocalypseShakur

Жыл бұрын

​@@mariaaguadoball3407he was frozen

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

@@TupocalypseShakur If he was frozen that solid, why.... never mind - it's clearly TV logic at play here.

As a trans person, I would say more of us are autistic than the wider population. I have found that autistic folks have an easier, not harder time understanding trans especially non-binary trans identities.

@LittleDogTobi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! Just anecdotally, this is what I've heard from a lot of fellow trans people.

@RaroHi

Жыл бұрын

The only autistic people I've ran into that struggle accepting trans people or their identities are those brainwashed by religious fundamentalism.

@TransformersNibbasInDisguise54

Жыл бұрын

It sounds much more likely sexual deviants target those who have a less strong understanding of social situations so they can have a sexual object, this perversion is directly correlated with deception and having little care for others. I hope autistic people can get more support so they can be protected and develop into happy people, it's really sad they're just being descended upon and NOBODY cares.

@indifferentsmiley

Жыл бұрын

That and/or ADHD which shares a lot of traits with autism.

@ckkitty

Жыл бұрын

@@_zigger_ That's going to be you at some point, you know that? Being racist on the internet is not exactly something mentally healthy people do

i don't use twitter anymore and i am beyond pleased that the good doctor is getting memed into oblivion. i'm no stranger to trashy medical dramas (grey's fan [derogatory]) but the good doctor rubbed me the wrong way since the beginning.

@ashtoncarriveau3880

Жыл бұрын

I (for some unknown reason) decided to watch this show when it first came out. I didn't even make it through the first episode before complete indifference washed over me.

@ryanb9304

Жыл бұрын

That show is sooooo cringe ....just horrible!😡😖

@ordisyggdrasils9655

Жыл бұрын

for me its so overly trying make his autism his superpower and if he just was in a perfect environment he would a be doctor god. also some people are claiming autism is the next step in human evolution, and people with autism are super smart in a thing which does happen, but not close to the good doctor level.

@devonmunn5728

Жыл бұрын

Also to mention the show is based off a South Korean show

@tinymxnticore

Жыл бұрын

I relate to EVERYTHING about this comment 😂

As problematic as these cable tv shows can be when it comes to things like mental health, mental illness and just social issues i do believe that they help bridge some gaps with the older folks. Being invested in a character like Shawn and seeing him go through the process of understanding a trans person might help some folks with being more understanding next time they see something about that subject

@samf.s.7731

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but... What about the people Sean is representing? They're already being thought of as ... Less than... I should say "we" though.

@Pepsimaaann

Жыл бұрын

@@samf.s.7731 i completely agree. In no way i want to "justify" the misrepresentation of Neuro divergent folks or anyone at that. It's very unsettling to see that after so long you can't find a lot of good representation of disorders and especially people in the spectrum. I was really just relaying the experience I've had with my mom when the media she watches can help me with a point to explain to her how things are and even correct misconceptions the shows might have taught her

@TimberWulfIsHere

Жыл бұрын

He understood the character in the first place.

@Mrcleanfrfr

Жыл бұрын

It's not that hard to understand, not sure why you're coddling this behavior, advocate for said people to gain a better understanding how biology and phycology actually work

The autistic representation in this show gives me the ick. It's so surface level and stereotypical, it's as if someone tried to write an autistic character by only researching other fictional depictions of autism 🤦‍♂️. As an autistic person myself, I find the inability to understand gender identity and the surface level questions he asks to try and "figure it out" is very offensive. I've dealt with gender dysphoria myself, I am a drag queen, and I can understand concepts that aren't black and white, then again I'm not very far on the spectrum, but people who are further aren't more obtuse, in fact usually it's opposite. While they may take things literally that doesn't mean that can't understand nuances or "being different", like, an autistic person isn't going to forcefully misgender someone because they haven't encountered trans people yet, in my experience.

@devonmunn5728

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my self advocacy (I'm currently attending a education program for disabled adults on independent living) showed the first episode in class and I opted out of it now I want to bring up the stuff this video brought up in that class if it does come up

"I am a surgeon" is very true to my experience with myself and others with autism, but nobody I know would misgender someone so blatantly. (We know bullying personally, and would never do that to others unprovoked.) I do understand it from a character standpoint though, and it is a good lesson for a fictional character to learn.

@FuzzyKittenBoots

Жыл бұрын

I am not autistic but as someone who is trans the idea that an cisgender autistic person would insist on misgendering a transperson while all the other non autistic cisgender doctors around him are being soo respectful... I don't know, that's just not the experience I've had and I've been out for 15 years. I would actually have found that episode to be so much more realistic if Shaun was maybe a bit too interested in the process of physical transitioning, especially as a surgeon and that's how he connects with the patient and then maybe another one of the doctors turns out to be transphobic.

@alexbrookma

Жыл бұрын

@@FuzzyKittenBoots yay everyone is transgender (half of the doctors on the show will be done gone by the next season!)

@FuzzyKittenBoots

Жыл бұрын

@@alexbrookma Everyone is transgender?

@alexbrookma

Жыл бұрын

@@FuzzyKittenBoots you mentioned another doctor being trans which is ridiculous as they make up a small fraction of the population (although with time im sure more will identify as trans despite the whole of history suggesting that trans people never made up so much of the population) hence my exaggerated comment.

@ordisyggdrasils9655

Жыл бұрын

I feel like he would respect his college and patient and stop misgendering and then done some reading into the topic? Also he should have been kicked off that case with that patient ,for misgendering them and been forced to learn about trans people in some way like a program?

As an autistic person holy shit this is offensive, and as a trans person holy shit, how gross.

@tuesdayg7030

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingsoullustfulandwho1975 the show and this clip

@adil0028

Жыл бұрын

Oh I thought you meant the stupidity behind a so called "girl" getting testicular cancer

@rudesback5013

Жыл бұрын

But why is it offensive to you?

@hquq77q85

Жыл бұрын

​@@rudesback5013 the guy is a parody of autism, the episode was transphobic as hell and was based of the meme of testicular cancer was more a Southpark episode about trans people than showing aceptance. The perosn who made this video is doing the " I understand both sides" when she says she doesn't understand also Twitter mf how anoying. She wants to play all sides while being more anoying than the people she critizise.

@r.koleda1436

Жыл бұрын

Oh god just be quiet please

I watched the first three seasons of The Good Doctor and jumped ship. I was surprised to see the show is now becoming known for its memes.

@paninilist4678

Жыл бұрын

omg I also watched the first three seasons! I stopped years ago but I never thought too much of it, I was well aware that the doctor was probably not accurate especially since the good doctor has like super powers, so to see how it is now is kinda funny.

@chaaaargh

Жыл бұрын

i never watched it but my sister used to, she stopped watching a long time ago i think. but it's kinda funny seeing people just now discovering it exists 😭

This thumbnail is so unhinged 💀

I’m autistic and I’m so embarrassed by these clips of the Good Doctor. Jesus they are so extreme and based on stereotypes. You can tell the ppl who wrote it don’t really know any autistic ppl. And fun fact, I’m also gender fluid and it’s the binary of gender that I CANT UNDERSTAND.

@TheDawnofVanlife

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, 1) the people online posting the clips ignores the journey of the episode, one in which he comes not only to accept but defend and affirm the trans girl’s gender down to the right pronouns. The audience of transphobes who don’t want to go on said journey themselves irl only attached themselves to the retoric of the episode and confirmation bias that the first bit of the episode presented. Some of the writing is terrible getting there, but Shaun is very much of changed opinion by episode end. 2) Among other things, shaun (The Good Doctor) is a cis gendered white man educated in Wyoming, I think. And it’s completely possible his initial limitation is less his autisim and more being a character representing a cis gendered white male from his background with no filter. However, he is a man capable of change who does, in fact, change in the episode.

@avenvhs

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the biggest thing for me was I relate to what Shaun is saying, but I was also told that gender IS black and white. I can not see social practices the same ways others can so I didn’t see myself or anyone else as gendered (besides biological aspects.) Now that I know it is a social practice, I understand why I’ve never felt like a GIRL. I’ve just always felt like a person and that relates to my experience with being neurodivergent.

@FairyBogFather

Жыл бұрын

right? me and all my autistic friends are gender-non-conforming lmao!

@djamtz

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDawnofVanlife Hold on, I've watched that show and I don't think there was any mention of a trans girl or Shaun defending her? Granted remind me which episode is that so I can look up

@ScribblebytesWorldwide

Жыл бұрын

Well to defend the writers, Autism is a spectrum so they did what commercial TV usually does and they went for the middle road. I personally don't watch things created for the mass market (never seen and a superhero movie) but they are creating a lot of jobs so it balances out the alleged vulgar aspects of their writing (never seen the show).

This tracks so hard with David Shore's past on House M.D. That show was equally as wild but also suffers from 2000 social point of view (there was a trans episode in House that's much worse than this one). I mean... House did self surgery on his infarcted leg in a bathtub unmedicated. That's a mild anecdote off the top of my head. House walked with his cane so Good Doctor can run into a sliding door in his aesthetic hospital.

@devonmunn5728

Жыл бұрын

Also I heard that was a anti-asexual episode

@FairyBogFather

Жыл бұрын

oh my god ahahaha

@hourshandhacker4194

Жыл бұрын

You know the creator is rightwing because in real life the second doctor would've answered Sturgeon's question with "She has gender dysphoria, her brain developed a different gender than the rest of her body". That is the biological medical answer. But the creators pulled the "they just identify" strawman instead

As a riverdale Stan I can’t say anything about anyone’s tv tastes😂

@patrickm2006

Жыл бұрын

Omg twinning 😭 seasons 1-4 are my faves but I'm having a tough time getting through seasons 5-7. Its getting so chaotic💀I'll always love betty tho😩

@TheDanishGuyReviews

Жыл бұрын

This is an extremely correct statement.

@lackforabettername7825

Жыл бұрын

Least you know your place 🤷

@BooksRebound

Жыл бұрын

Ooof

Man, I didn't even realize that The Good Doctor was still on TV

@H0bO

Жыл бұрын

Doctor shows are longer than your granny’s life support…sry

Oddly, I'm autistic, yet have ZERO FUCKING PROBLEM understanding that a trans girl is a girl. Also - even without the freaking medical degree that the protagonist has - I understand that biological sex is waaay more complex than mere chromosomal configuration. Maybe if you're writing a medical drama, you should do a little research. For that episode, I'd suggest looking into both the autism beyond stereotypes & the biology of sexual development

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

@@AsogiMK He WAS shown to be doing those things because he was (a crappy Rain Man stereotype version of) autistic. And it's totally fucking disingenuous to claim he wasn't. The whole point was "he runs on 100% logic, no feeling, so of course he's going to see someone with 'male' genitalia and not be able to process that person is a trans girl." You cannot pretend that wasn't what the scene was saying. Except that transphobia is NOT based on logic or science, so the whole bullshit idea only makes sense to someone who's ignorant of both. And yes, I'm aware there are transphobic doctors. But they are not basing their positions on science or logic, either. This may shock you, but doctors are human beings, and as such, some of them can be subject to irrational bigotries and/or bad faith actions. Finally, don't presume to dictate to me what I can and cannot analyse or opine on.

@colindowden2182

Жыл бұрын

Trans girl is a girl, haha you got jokes.

@sillyseri

Жыл бұрын

@@colindowden2182 shut up

@dailyremindertoshutup3670

Жыл бұрын

​@@AsogiMK They were so obviously implying it was because he's autistic though. They're presenting his transphobia as "logical" because it comes from science dictating "XX=female and XY=male". When that's a gross simplification of human biological sex, and anyone who's studied biology beyond basic school level knows that. A simple view like that shouldn't seem logical to him. Since this character's thing is being rigidly logical because of his autism, they're portraying his bigotry as logical and apart of his autism. I don't know why so many people defend this show when it's made by ignorant and uneducated non autistic people, played by an uneducated non autistic person and supported by Autism Speaks.

@Mrcleanfrfr

Жыл бұрын

@@colindowden2182 Not sure how facts is a joke, are you slow

As a fan of the show, I appreciate the nuance you brought to the subject! A lot of the ✨ discourse ✨ right now is just people mocking the meltdown scene which indirectly mocks those of us who have had similar meltdowns.

The trans bit was so cringy 😮😮

@vinnym5607

Жыл бұрын

The show is cringy, too.

I am autistic and i've actually seen quite a bit of the good doctor back a few years ago, as well as my mom. I will say this portrayal is a stereotype of autistic people and personally affected my life, as when I got an autism diagnosis when i was 17, my mom had a lot of weird hang ups and misconceptions because she thought of autism as rain man or shaun from the good doctor, and when i told her that her associating it with those depictions was unhelpful and that her expectations of me changing because of the diagnosis, she said that she was just old and didn't know anything else. Neither of those shows, as far as I'm aware, had actual autistic people literally anywhere in the creative process, in the writing or acting, and it really shows. whether or not it's just a fun little escape for some people, the way autism is portrayed on screen has real life effects both on how neurotypicals treat those around them who have autism, and how autistic people view themselves. We shouldn't be championing a show that has what is for the vast majority of autistic people incredibly unrealistic expectations of how we should act. it's like the only two ways neurotypical people think autistic people can be are mega smart assholes/completely socially inept people, or someone who they're about to call the r slur. If you take away one point, let it be this: media at large almost always portrays autistic people as an anomaly to be easily spotted but not easily 'dealt with', rather than as the people surrounding us in our daily life. This sort of portrayal is not quite dehumanizing so much as it is intensely othering. There is for the most part (other than a single episode cameo) only one way autism is portrayed, and it's in an incredibly rare and purposefully theatrical way. Talking as someone who has seen the good doctor, the show is genuinely very entertaining, but I feel it was distasteful to further contribute to the amount autistic people are othered in society just to fulfill a neurotypical persons fantasy about a cool story they want to write involving a condition that they don't make the effort to know about beyond what seems to be a very surface level. This could have been mitigated by having many and consistent portrayals of autistic people that DON'T fall into the category of 'supergenius but bad at socializing hurr durr' that is already a harmful stereotype. and these stereotypes DO end up affecting autistic people. Once again, I was personally negatively affected by The Good Doctor's portrayal of autism! I feel like a lot of people defending the show just don't really understand or care about that.

@lordtette

Жыл бұрын

It is ironic that neurotypical people can have black and white thinking like aspies and not realise it; like your mum watching one movie and a show with an autistic person, has her thinking that's what autism is. Even though we should know that there is more to it. It's something I've noticed when allistics think we don't share traits or behaviours

Idk, my bff is autistic and she never had a problem understanding non-binary or trans identities, and I can't imagine an average autistic person being so insistent on misgendering someone (as a neurodivergent person myself and knowing a lot of neurodivergent people), this looks kinda hyperbolic.

The fact that by doing ONE Google search you can find multiple articles about autistic people often being somewhere outside the gender binary way more than neurotypical people shows that the writers probably didn't even bother doing that minimum research.

@littlemoth4956

Жыл бұрын

Wait... research about what? What would they change about the show with that information?

@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz

7 ай бұрын

Doesnt mean that the autistic people who arent trans are hardcoded to support or understand trans people. The problem of the scene is that there's no way in hell that in this day and age, a fresh out of medschool worker has never heard about these topics in his professional formation, or in his private life, which would of probably made a similar interaction the episode represents much sooner

This is very interesting as someone who watched the kdrama, where they talked about "curing" autism

Before I realized I was trans myself, I was MORE accepting of trans people BECAUSE of my autism. I didn't have any sort of allegiance towards societal norms, so I didn't see any damn reason not to respect them (well, us lol)

@007kingifrit

Жыл бұрын

in other words your mental disorder made you vulnerable to social deviance

@S0REN_

Жыл бұрын

This just in: being a retard causes you to be confused about gender. Shocking!

@alim.9801

7 ай бұрын

Yknow i never thought of that before but that makes sense!!

@ob2kenobi388

7 ай бұрын

@@alim.9801 Yeah!

As someone with Autism (or Asperger's Syndrome), I find it annoying how many shows/movies fail at the same thin regarding neurodiversity representation; they feel like stereotypes only there for other characters to "humanly" react off, with little care about their diagnosis and specific issues. Each person on the spectrum has different difficulties, but media just groups a set together and says "this is how an Autistic person is". And at times, portrayals like in Music and The Good Doctor can be dangerous. These writers should definitely be consulting people on the spectrum, or even hire them for media like this. Shout out to As We See It and When My Heart Joins the Thousand; a tv show and book that are the 2 only legitimately (to me) true portrayals of Autism as a main focus.

All I can imagine is having to go on the operating table and having Shaun show up, barging into the room screaming “it’s surgery time!” “Doctor what are we going to do?” asks the Er nurse “SURGERY!” As the midazolam kicks in and I start falling asleep Shaun looks me in the eye screaming “I am a surgeon! I am surgeon! I am a surgeon!”

As a Brit what you’re saying about network tv is interesting as a lot of Britain’s most popular and successful tv shows still start on network tv E.g peaky blinders, I may destroy you, black mirror etc

I find the idea of savant syndrome to be outdated the same way the classification asperges is, these ideas about autistic people but who have merit, or are "higher" functioning is something that evolved from eugenics. Generally the common autistic trait of fixation leads to people having specialized interest, but that also doesn't mean they only hold merit on holding specialized, capitalizable skills, but are people and inherently hold merit

@mechanomics2649

Жыл бұрын

Finally, I see someone else saying this. Of course, I have an issue with how society at large views intellect altogether; supposed geniuses, IQ, etc.

@coleposton2430

Жыл бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 I'm autistic and it genuinely blows my mind how people don't think about what they're actually saying

@kawaiizzythefrog8952

Жыл бұрын

Savant syndrome is real though, just incredibly rare. It just means having a very high IQ (which is also rooted in eugenics and racism but do what that with you will, humans do have a spectrum of intelligence in different areas) and being a prodigy in one specific area. My brother has savant syndrome for math. He sees the world in numbers and his brain does not work like 99% of the population. It’s the fault of society that we place more value on people with high intellect in specific areas vs valuing people with other skills or deficits. Don’t blame the labeled “geniuses” when they didn’t ask for the label and just happen to excel in a certain field. People with disabilities and low IQ still have just as much worth.

@coleposton2430

Жыл бұрын

@@kawaiizzythefrog8952 being someone who would likely have been classified with aspergers before it was removed from the dsm, being thought of as the hypercompetent specialized "genius" is also dehumanizing and weird. Iq, just as any thing that tries to objectively measure intelligence are bound to be chock full of bias, especially when it was developed by eugenicist scientist, and its the fault, at least largely in the west of capital, seeing that some group might not be as effective of laborers and finding new ways to categorize them out of mainstream life

Autistic person here! I was late staged dxd as so many women are. so I actually watched the good doctor when it first came out. I did not hate the first season and at the time, it was one of the first main stream shows that showcased an autistic person (not played by an autistic actor) in a somewhat positive light. I thought that freddy did a decent job in the first season- I think now the show has become problematic. I thought the first season highlighted some interesting conversations about trauma in autistic childhood and how it feeds into audolencent etc. ect- But shows like Heart Break High and Everything is going to be okay actually highlight autistic actors and writiors. ATUSTIC WOMEN! And that's pretty cool- also, now that I have watched House, I feel like House is a better representation of the autistic community then the good doctor? am i the only one? not as a person, but in the way House opperatres

@juliamatson8073

Жыл бұрын

You Should

What's funniest to me about the transgirl and shaun interaction is that he's supposed to be a crazy smart doctor, so he should understand that 1. there are far more than just XX and XY and he should understand the existence of intersex people (Im essentially saying that he shouldn't have brought up chromosomes as if it was difinitive information) 2. that information changes and evolves over time, so mentioning that transgender care wasn't something he learned about in school is the same logic psychologists use when they don't wanna acknowledge the existence of certain disorders or conditions that werent official diagnoses when they were in school, and 3. If i remember correctly, he tends to know a lot relating to the brain, so he should understand (at least to some mild degree) the complexity of gender and how it extends far past the idea of gender correlating solely to binary sexes

I'll take "yikes" for 300

if only non-autistics understood that while yes, we autistics love rules, we only follow and appreciate the ones that 'make sense,' and therefore since gender is a flawed social construct, most of us do not 'accept' it as a social rule/norm. the world would be so much better smh.

@hquq77q85

Жыл бұрын

That's not true, there's pretty much of binary trans autistic people. If you mean binarism yeah it doesn't make sense. But there's plenty of binary autistic folk.

@joeyshears1483

Жыл бұрын

Obviously there is nothing in the world that every autistic person is gonna agree on. We are all different people, with different life events and perspectives alongside our autism. There does seem to be a trend between having autism and being trans, and especially enby, suggesting autistic people are more likely to accept gender being a social construct and wish to either change how they are viewed within said construct (binary trans)or escape it all together (non binary trans)

@littlemoth4956

Жыл бұрын

So... you're just assuming non-autistic people (not even calling them people, gross) have no clue what you're talking about in spite of the fact non-autistic trans people exist?? Not to mention not every autistic person believes the things you do, don't speak for them. And yes, I'm sure the world would be so much better with the incredibly specific and useless knowledge that autistic people don't accept the social norm of gender... the fuck?

I actually do watch the show dedicatedly, I am autistic myself, and I don’t rly like seeing the way his character is both made fun of and overly excused (he does things that would get a real person fired). I keep watching it because it seems to get better at some points, and I find some moments really touching. I also watch atypical and I thought it was boring but more accurate

hi, on the autistic spectrum (it is a HUGE spectrum) and i’m trans. just wanted to pop in and say hi :))

@mutantsupremacies

Жыл бұрын

freddie is amazing in bates motel. it’s sad that he’s in this show tbh

@catsrule1343

Жыл бұрын

Hey :)

@gilly_axolotl

Жыл бұрын

Based

@cowgirl6591

Жыл бұрын

Hello

@innitbruv-lascocomics9910

Жыл бұрын

Are you sure you're Trans? The autistic spectrum does have an affect on the neurology of a person in terms of their self-perception. They often misdiagnosed autistic people with gender dysphoria.

I watched 2 episodes of this show and couldn't continue because Shawn was like an alien who had just arrived on Earth, a doctor who somehow doesn't know what tears are and why people cry while crying himself on the same episode. I hate when autistic people are portrayed like that. Also autistic people that have the same interests as Shawn for sure know that chromosomes aren't the same as gender and that XX and XY aren't the only combinations that exist biologically and naturally and that is very annoying to my autistic ass who has an unnecessary but intense need to be scientifically accurate and up-to-date with just shows that autism is not the only inaccurate thing on the show

@MeakH1

Жыл бұрын

Watch all 6 seasons and you'll enjoy it more. Shaun progresses more into a more social person.

@DanyUiy

Жыл бұрын

​@@MeakH1 The problem isn't him not being social, he could remain not very social but that be done in a better, more realist way. The problem is depicting an adult with seemingly no knowledge about the world, (wich is insane considering he is a doctor, and also just a human being with experience) just because he is autistic and therefore dumb, that's what they imply and that's what the audience understands. Portraying autistic people, specially adults like this is infantalizing and sometimes dehumanizing because they really see autistic people like aliens or robots. I'm sure in the show his "progress" makes sense but that's not how autistic people work in real and portraying autistic people like there's something to be changed or progress to be done so they will be more enjoyable people is just a bad and uninformed

Thank you for all the new content recently!! Its all so good!!

If doctors just circled around my bed and openly discussed my gender in relation to my sex…. WHEN I CAME IN FOR APPENDICIDIS????!?!?

Even my grandma is no longer watchin tv, it really is a dying empire

The Good Doctor is like the best example of the "savant stereotype" and how misrepresented autism and savant syndrome usually is in media

AU here. Misgendering is bigotry, and harassment. The "Good" doctor would be fired or could possibly face a lawsuit.

@katrinsorokatkatyabalashov1597

Жыл бұрын

So, if you will work in hospital, you really gonna call a patient with cancer on their balls “she”?

@Mrcleanfrfr

Жыл бұрын

@@katrinsorokatkatyabalashov1597 Yeah, her being a girl has nothing to do with her sex

thank you for a video on one of my favourite twitter memes of the week. there's something so special about this one.

my family accidentally left on the tv during an episode of chicago med one day and it was so ridiculous that we ended up actually getting invested in it for a while... but eventually the episodes got so bad to the point where it wasn't even funny anymore and any coherent pieces of the storyline had just disappeared lol

The autism community isnt a monilith, and people on it are a wide spectrum. That makes it so divisive sometimes on what is good or bad rep (unless it is painfully bad). Like i tried The Good Doctor and felt is did a poor job, but loved Atypical and recognized friends and acquaintances in Sam. I admit season 1 is rough, but they took criticism well and improved in later seasons (also the guy playing the dad is one of those boomers who make uncomfortable comedy specials, so seeing his face did make it hard to watch). Most of my issues with Atypical arent how the actor played Sam (i think he did a good job and was believable compared to how Shaun is played (i hate how Shaun is played)), but like issues with some of writing.

While I do not relate to Shaun, I saw a post in r/autism of someone who did and how hurt they were that people were mocking people like Shaun.

"of Charley and the Chocolate Factory fame" Was Bates Motel a fever dream that only I remember?

I sympathize it did take me a little while to wrap my head around the whole trans thing. Talking to a child like that is a little much.

@crptpyr

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, even if it's something that takes you a while to understand it's pretty clearly not the best thing to interrogate a sick child about their identity lmao

@ryona5476

Жыл бұрын

​@@crptpyr ngl i would probably do that

@elfoxy1997

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of people that behave this way. We shouldn't shy away from depicting their shitty behaviour, sometimes it's just naivity, sometimes it's malicious. The outrage surrounding this clip I find bizzare because it's not like they're depicting it favourably like some Ben Shapiro owns a trans person clip. It's like people thinking because you can kill in video games that promotes violence, or because someone shoots someone in a show, the people watching it are going to do the same thing, it's not like that at all, I don't think anyone is going to watch that clip and decide they're going to start harassing transgender children.

@katrinsorokatkatyabalashov1597

Жыл бұрын

@@elfoxy1997 so, asking trans person, what they like = bad behaviour?

@colon5246

Жыл бұрын

​@@katrinsorokatkatyabalashov1597 haha sure let's reduce it down to that and forget what the context was for asking these questions

Holy shit. That scene is so offensive to both trans people and autism. Edit: of course they gave the trans girl testicular cancer

I don’t get how anyone can say “he doesn’t seem like he’s autistic” it’s a spectrum not everyone is the same, my autism doesn’t present that way but I have met several neurodivergent people just like the character

@kristinoatley4710

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's incredibly ironic seeing people say "well I'm autistic and trans and I WOULD NEVER act like this!" Or that they know autistic people who act a certain way. It's almost like autism is on a spectrum. I personally have met people like Shawn before. And have been around for meltdowns similar to the one that is being memed on. They're criticising this show for generalising about autism whilst also generalising about autism.

@thag_simmons

Жыл бұрын

the way I understood that critique, it was more of "the bar for successful suspension of disbelief to convince me that this character graduated from medical school with essentially zero masking skills is just way too high." I do know neurodivergent people who have meltdown & anger issues not unlike what's shown in the clips here, but none of those people have had particularly pleasant academic experiences and wouldn't willingly go into such an absurdly high-stress job no matter how much the subject may otherwise be a special interest. the character feels less like a portrayal of a character as a specific person with a history and life experiences and more like a loose bundle of traits associated with autism.

Just found your channel recently btw i love it so much. Appreciate you and your discussions.

Cosplaying autism is beyond cringe & totally F’d.

@ryno1509

Жыл бұрын

But they’re not cosplaying they’re a working actor yes the show should have cast someone neurodivergent but maybe they tried and went with the best actor, do we even know if he’s neurotypical? He has spoken about 5 languages fluently since he was a child, is extremely smart and went to Cambridge and is social awkward, that’s not how my Autism presents but I know many neurodivergent people just like him

House also had insensitive takes like this character, where his peers are usually taken aback and they are like dammit he's a shitty person, but he's a good doctor (roll credits) - and does it with a trans character in that show too - it makes perfect sense that it's got the same creator :p

In Brasil they dubbed the show and aired in the biggest TV channel in the entire Latin America. The show is popular around here. If you don't watch it, you at least know what it is about and have seen commercials for it.

As a Psychologist and a neurodivergent (ADHD), grades do exist guys. I used to make the same mistake of labeling ADHD as "not so bad" because I had a mild case of exclusively inattentive (Now remitted). But a person with combined ADHD and sever symptoms can be highly disfunctional and look a lot different than someone with Mild and 1 subtype adhd. In case of AED, there's not only severity but an array of symptoms that affects different aspects of the brain too. Hypersensitivity, synaptic pruning or language to name just 3 out of 6-7 hypothetized areas used to diagnose. Grade 3 with affection in 4-5 areas DOES NOT look the same as Grade 1 with affection in 2 areas. My brother is diagnosed with Grade 1 (Hypersensitivity-Language), for example. He gets overwhelmed with sensorial stimoli easily and is a little behind on lenguage development, that's it; nothing else. Complex topic... Not even a professional with a Phd in Psychology DOES KNOW what's up neither with AED nor with ADHD. And anyone who tells otherwise is lying or is commited to one hypothesis for X reason (Money or emotional bias). We have no definitive answer to any of this brain differences. For example, it has recently been confirmed that ADHD subtypes affect different areas of the brain and thus, probably need different interventions, even medical. But doctors, extremely out dated, keep giving Ritalin to literally everyone.

“She has testicular cancer” sigh 🤦‍♂️

I’m into this niche twitter drama about shows most of us don’t watch.

btw as soon as u said “i dont give a fuck abt that” i instantly subbed bc u are so real for that

I watched the first 4 seasons of the Good Doctor as fun, cringy TV. I had to jump ship because they had one of the most egregious white savior plots I've seen on modern TV when the cast goes to Guatemala.

@Phillylove100

Жыл бұрын

How was it an egregious white savior plot?

@TheSpidersider

Жыл бұрын

@@Phillylove100 White people can't do charity work or else they're rubbing their white superiority on others.

Autistic person here. I think the main issue is that autism is a spectrum and so thsi portrayal is very extreme and while 99% of people on the spectrum arent like this. That being said, i have met one or two people on the spectrum who do act like that so it isnt unheard of just not generally representative. This show has links to the production of House and many people liked that so called representation and he isnt autistic and is just an awful person as they are misogynistic, transphobic, racist etc

I also find nowadays with many kids not watching tv re runs like many of us did pre (good) internet/pre iPhones. Stuff like this blowing up is always WILD because people don’t have a “cultural” reference point. For me if there was nothing good on I’d always watch NCIS,New Tricks, Star Trek Next Gen/Voyager. For “online” it’s mostly House & Bones 🤣

@snowyyzoe

Жыл бұрын

Lmao back when everyone had a "favorite" episode of a show. I kind of miss it

this is pretty interesting to me as someone who doesn't live in the united states cause in italy we don't really have this distinction. we get a lot of these "network" shows (law and order, 911 lone star, this is us) on sky, where we also get hbo shows like succession, euphoria, etc, but some of them get imported through public tv (like the good doctor). watching sky channels as they air as opposed to watching them on demand is seen as more of a middle aged thing, though, whilst public tv is what old people and children of families who don't have sky or streaming platforms watch. so this divide between network and cable doesn't always line up

@jimmyvanilla5285

Жыл бұрын

Sky? I thought that was just in the uk

Ok what I think is really interesting is while the show handles the topic of autism really badly they actually handled Morgan developing arthritis at an early age very well. There's a whole many seasons long arc around that for her.

I'm in my 40, and I watch Succession, Abbott Elementary, and also TGD. It's like you said, the show is entertaining, and there's some good representation like Shaun is married to a neurotipical woman. But the show is linked to a non-profit that focus on the parents of autistic children, the people that takes the decision are not autistic, and this is a downside to me. When I learned this, I understood why the autistic representation have some terrible issues.

15:04 AYO WTF 🤣🤣🤣 whyd they give it the boom sound effect lmfao Nice new intro by the way!

I know some autistic people love this show, I personally hate it and find Shawn insulting. Shawn is constantly looked down upon by the other characters and his worth seems tied completely to his skill as a doctor. Also the actor playing him isnt autistic and it feels pretty tone deaf.

We share the same twitter brain rot which is how I can always count on you to cover it

Stamp of approval for the unexpected Barry edit near the end

I'm autistic- my problem with Highmore's portrayal is that he's modelling natural autistic body language, speech patterns, thinking patterns, etc in a way that's deliberately over the top- some autistic people do legitimately behave this way, I certainly do at times, but this acting approach feels like he sees us as a different species, making sure in every scene to emphasize how different, odd, and unrelatable we are- which makes SENSE because he's not autistic, of course we're foreign to him. An autistic actor would spend a lot less time obsessing over our symptoms and just portray Shaun as a character

@RandomSkyeRoses

Жыл бұрын

That makes sense

I've been watching the show from the start. It was such a surreal thing to see these memes blow up, usually I find out about the media through the memes. The autism portrayal is way over the top and if I knew what I know now I probably wouldn't of watched it. However, it's a lot better now in recent seasons, Shaun taking a backseat and still has all the roller coaster of emotions. I really enjoy it I'm also trans myself and although I've told people multiple times now how that episode ends (and later on it shows a pregnant trans guy, which is perfectly fine in the portrayal), I still like the scenes. It shows Shaun's growth, I always saw it as a Shaun thing, not an autistic thing. People mess up and able to learn from their mistakes. The same people posting the clips out of context is an example of that, Shaun is showcasing those people. Shame people just see if and move on without looking for the context

@Darrian.

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Shaun learns and grows by the end of the episode!

As someone who has autism Shane is fairly accurate. But it's still a network TV show, so the shit got too generic and I drop it.

@annabelcrescibene4257

Жыл бұрын

It’s accurate to a very specific white male version of autism. As a gay autistic women he’s extremely inaccurate to my experiences

@gaymer2316

Жыл бұрын

@@annabelcrescibene4257 That’s true but whether or not the portrayal is archetypical doesn’t speak to whether it’s accurate or not. A person can be autistic in so many different ways and there is no one portrayal of autism that will speak to every single autistic person. He isn’t a gay woman, and he isn’t you so it’s completely reasonable for his fictional experience to be completely different from yours.

@mariaaguadoball3407

Жыл бұрын

​@@gaymer2316 Well thank god we had you to mansplain autism to an autistic woman. Now you can stfu and sit down. Annabel was responding to the very common assumption that autistic people are one specific way, and that assumption is incorrect. It's based on the old idea that most autistic people are white men. Many, many of us are not. Yet we get those stereotypes dumped on us. So, it makes sense for us to push back. Now, unless you're an autistic person who *isn't* a straight, white dude, you can walk away.

@AP-uc7oz

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@@gaymer2316 he is undoubtedly a pretty stereotyped autistic person, though. There’s always someone that fits the stereotypes of a group by chance, but like should the stereotype of a decently marginalized group be what’s given representation to those outside the group? I personally don’t rlly think so

@gaymer2316

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@@AP-uc7oz I agree that Shaun is pretty stereotypical, but but that doesn’t make him irredeemably inaccurate. There should be room for all kinds of representation, including “stereotypical” examples like Shaun. Ideally we would see autistic people of all identities.

Not going to lye, I as an autistic person find this show to be uncomfortable for me to watch. It’s also very common for people with autism to enter the STEM field so I get that it’s accurate in some ways but… Whenever I see autistic people portrayed in an over the top way like this, usually by neurotypical people, I find it unsettling.

Awesome video! I am also possibly autistic and a fellow news station employee and I loved hearing your insight.

I think it's not great to expect every character of a certain minority to be a certain way and a perfect being who is the perfect representation of that group. That's literally impossible anyway, there are plenty of autistic people who do feel represented by him, if he was never wrong about something he would never have any character growth. What we need is, simply, more representation in total. Of many different types and stripes. Shawn Murphy being one of the only representations of an autistic person and not being perfect is problematic, but with more autistic representation he would just be one of many characters, all of whom were different and showed the diversity of what it is to be autistic. Shawn is also kind of the audience proxy in this scene. You can tell when they're doing one of those 'the other characters are having to explain something to Shawn so that the audience is also given the explanation' bits, it's actually pretty hamfisted in the Good Doctor. But the other characters are not agreeing with him, he learns, and admits he was wrong. He respects the trans girl and supports her to her transphobic grandmother at the end. He needed to be cluelessly transphobic at the start so that it could be shown to be wrong and give the payoff of growth at the end. Was it necessary, good, well done? ... No. But taking just that bit out of context and acting like it is representative of the entire show, and by extension all the people who watch and enjoy the show, who must also be transphobic and 'hate autistic people' is such a ridiculous reach I keep seeing

My dad watches this show sometimes (it airs when he finishes work) but calls it Doctor Opa ("Doctor Dumbass" in spanish). I found it quite funny since its korean version can be called Doctor Oppa outside its home country. I think we should call this whole debacle Doctor Opa.

@birb5306

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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

11:30 good lord you gotta strap me down clockwork orange style to get me to watch those nightly news shows

I used to watch bates motel in highschool and it gave me whiplash to see this guy play a doctor

Ur the quickest with this content lmaooo

Bro I hated Charlie n the chocolate factory. Never knew he’d grow up to be in an entertainment property I hate more than that

I was so surprised when this scene recently became such a huge meme overnight because I haven’t watched the show in years and I remember seeing that episode. I should’ve guessed that the scene suddenly blew up because of TikTok.

im late to this but you being surprised that is an hour show is very cute in a zoomer way. please continue, thanks

I have literally never hated a show before “The good doctor”. I’ve had shows that I’ve disliked but this is the first and only show that I’ve actively hated

His transphobia almost seems like he's trying so hard to deny the fact that he might be trans too.

@Eddycut

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Wdym? You realize that's not his actual tone of voice right? Go watch the show before posting your moronic comments bud. And btw he's straight and married in the show

@Mrcleanfrfr

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@@Eddycut You can be straight and trans lol

@Eddycut

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@@Mrcleanfrfr no you literally can't lmao tf 🤣 you're delusional for thinking like that

Someone please tell me the name of the song that the clip is being edited with from 0:15 to 0:23. I’ve been trying to find the name of it for years.

@poe9125

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its from a ds game kzread.info/dash/bejne/in6n25ejepqqoJM.html

Wait? It came out in 2016?? I thought it was earlier then that. And thank you for explaining why my YT recs were all Good Doctor all of the sudden.

I'm not diagnosed, but my family believes I'm somewhere on the spectrum. To me, Shawn's movements and speech strike me like the uncanny valley. It's not that I haven't seen similar behaviors to him before, but rather where I've seen them. To me, Shawn's behavior seems more consistent to some autistic children than an autistic adult. Especially an autistic adult in a high stress, competitive environment. Cause like it or hate it, an autistic person in that kind of career would have a very hard time without masking. There's like 0 masking from Shawn, which is where Freddie's performance falls apart. It's not an authentic performance of an autistic character; it's what a neurotypical person thinks an autistic person acts like

@kawaiizzythefrog8952

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Some autistic people cannot mask though because again, it’s a spectrum. I have met many people who are incredibly intelligent and are autistic but masking socially is not within their capabilities. People are angry because this portrayal has meltdowns and is making autistic people look bad, but it’s kind of erasure to say it’s unrealistic when neurodivergent people do and can have meltdowns. The vast majority of people have mild cases and are not exposed to individuals who do act like this. And TV actors will never be a perfect portrayal of everyone’s experience, it’s just one potential way someone could present. And Twitter can’t expect every neurodivergent character to fit their exact set of symptoms and struggles when their are plenty of people out there who do have this level of dysfunction in the context of society. I say this as someone who does have meltdowns

@kawaiizzythefrog8952

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Also, the reason they keep him on staff on the show despite his behavior is due to his savant syndrome. He can work in that environment because he’s a prodigy and a genius so his skills/knowledge outweigh his emotional regulation struggles and poor social skills. 99% of autistic people also don’t know what it’s like to have savant syndrome, it’s incredible rare. They would realistically hire and keep a doctor with that level of intelligence in a life or death field like surgery because he does so much more good than harm.

As a person on the spectrum and who works with children that autistic as well like that scene itself is a REALLY bad portrayal but accurate at best I give it that cause shane in this situation is a hyper focus on the patient's biological gender (which is common who autistic). This answers your question of why most trans people can autistic cause there hyper focus on their gender and how they look in cases. The thing is when your on the spectrum it does take time to process information mainly when its a situation like this depending on how far you are on the spectrum espaily something you are not familiar with, and this case I don't know why you would bring someone autistic whos not familiar with trans people especially children at that point they could make a better science by introducing a doctor who does specialize in gender studies so in this episode the doctor can have a better understanding of trans people and honestly it would look way better than that BS.

@mariaaguadoball3407

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What annoys me about it is that what he's obsessed with are her chromosomes. Because he's a medical professional, he ought to know that biological sex in humans is more complex than mere chromosomal makeup. He'd also be aware that atypical chromosomal combinations aren't uncommon - & it's highly unlikely he knows this patient's actual makeup. To me, if he were so obsessed with her chromosomes, he'd be wondering if she weren't XXY, XX male, etc, rather than insisting without evidence that she's XY therefore male.

@alexbrookma

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​@@mariaaguadoball3407 he is XY

@Darrian.

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​@@mariaaguadoball3407 the show is criticizing the fact that medical school doesn't include gender science in its curriculum. At that point in the show, Shaun has never encountered transgenderism before and he struggles to understand it. By the end of the episode, he's learned and changes his behavior.

@mariaaguadoball3407

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@@Darrian. The show doesn't realise that medical students have to take biology at higher than high school level. Hell, I was an English major and when I did Bio 102 - hardly advanced level - we learned that XX & XY are not the only options for humans. A medical student would also have learned about the importance of hormones to sexual development and would be aware of XX males & XY females. And, knowing these things, an autistic person who runs on logic would never insist that a trans girl is XY without having seen the results of a chromosome test. A test that WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RUN on a patient presenting with suspected appendicitis. Also, an autistic person who runs on logic is not going to blindly repeat a load of meaningless social conventions around gender as if they were immutable scientific laws. Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't he go off about the colour pink at one point? An autistic person - even one less bound by the Vulcan mindset than this character - is going to think, "Pink is for girls? Why? Who says? How does that make any sense?" And, if the writers of the show had done ANY work on this, they'd know that autistic people tend to be less gender-conforming and less concerned about external gender performance than allistic (non-autistic) people. If the show wanted to talk about how poor education about gender is in the medical profession, they could've done so without 1-making the autistic person, the one who in real life would likely be the one who cared least about nonconventional presentation, into the simpleton who Just. Can't. Grasp. It; and 2-not made it look as if "penis=XY=boy/man" is scientifically the only logical conclusion. If the show wanted to be at all realistic, it should've had another allistic doctor freaking out about the trans girl and the protagonist being confused about why they were so bothered.

@mariaaguadoball3407

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@@alexbrookma And you know this exactly how? Was it mentioned in the show that they ran a chromosome test on this patient? Why would they, when she was presenting with suspected appendicitis? Just because the majority of people with penises are XY does not mean ALL people with penises are XY. Some are XYY, some are XXY, and some are even XX.

I’ve been watching The Good Doctor since it came out, I loved Freddie on Bates Motel too.

i got an ad for a school or something that said "we're doctors. surgeons."

Man i hope they didnt get daniel day kim on this because its a j Korean show adaptation.. i remember his first big role as a korean and he kept it until himself that he didnt speak korean at all until it was too late, and had to get a coach to teach him. Thia dude keeps winning on letting hollywood assume he has an inside track on korean stuff.

@RichardLasquite

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DDK is actually the whole reason there's an American adaptation of the original Good Doctor K Drama. He bought the rights and developed it. He's an executive producer and actually directed a few episodes.

Clicked for the memes, stayed for the disarmingly good analysis on television and demographics. Very insightful, thanks