Do the Mets bounce back?

@davyt0247

Жыл бұрын

Personally, unless something changes quickly, I don't think the Mets make the playoffs. the team slash line is bottom 10 in baseball, the OBP is pretty good, but they aren't getting hits with RISP or hits with men on base at all. They are 22nd in team ERA, 12th in earned runs, given up the 6th most home runs, 4th in walks allowed, and 22nd in strikeouts. and they are 20th in home runs hit, 21st in team batting average, and 24 in hits. That's a lot of basic stats that they are bottom 3rd in. I just don't see a simple change that can turn this around. The pitchers are giving up way too many home runs and walks, and the big bats aren't producing.

@hxmcde

Жыл бұрын

yes

@TrevorD19

Жыл бұрын

If the Mets can, the white Sox can.

@rogerbee1234567

Жыл бұрын

they have no right fielder and no lefty in the pen scherzer is done and verlander will be injured again david peterson is our only extra starter and he’s not even AAA quality

@Landon_Vasquez

Жыл бұрын

Yes

The Mets are almost always never allowed to have two good years in a row. They have one fantastic season (even if it unfortunately ended too early last year) and then they're back to being a completely mediocre team. The only two times they've ever had back to back years in the post season was 1999-2000 and 2015-2016.

@shmatty558

Жыл бұрын

Almost always never is crazy

@NoUploadJustComment

Жыл бұрын

1969, 1986 too.

@ChalkInTheLand

Жыл бұрын

The Mets being barred from putting 2 consecutive winning seasons together is actually in the US Constitution. It's a federal law

@Ibhenriksen

Жыл бұрын

In 2015, they weren't even supposed to be that good. And they made it to the WS. With the Mets, any expectation always seems to be the opposite.

@Thecastofthelast

Жыл бұрын

​@@shmatty558lol my thoughts too

You’re wrong about the luxury tax, it’s 80% of the overage not 80% of the entire payroll. They will still be spending close to 400 million between salary and luxury taxes, but that’s a long way from 522 million.

@greencat1849

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty much whatever they go over the salary "cap"...Idk the cap line bc that changes every year, but I'm pretty sure it is around 240 million. Mets salary is 380 million currently which is 140 million over cap. So they pay an additional 140 million on top of the 380...which comes to 520ish. Even at 80% (never heard of the 80% rule you state, but I'll run the numbers anyway) would be at around 500 million. So no, you're also wrong

Consider this, the last time showalter was fired in New York his team went on to win 4 of the next 6 WS

@gokulebron

Жыл бұрын

Atleast u don't have Boone head

@Landis_Grant

Жыл бұрын

The 1996 Atlanta Braves with Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery were prohibited favorites to crush Joe Torre’s Yankees in the World Series.

@bryanortiz3173

Жыл бұрын

Showalter the guy who ruin my favorite team the orioles good luck mets

I like your point about the dysfunctional relationship between higher salaries and higher expectations. As a fan of a mid to low market team, we always complain about how they owners aren't spending enough. Then I see the Mets and the Padres this year and realize that building super teams can't always work and can lead to bigger disappointments and wasted time.

To all my fellow Met fans. Always keep in mind that it’s a long long season. That’s why I love baseball, you never know what’s going to happen. Any team can win any time. LGM

@KRJayster

11 ай бұрын

Well, I can certainly respect your optimism.

I really dont know what the mets were thinking about sighining to aging pitchers

@gokulebron

Жыл бұрын

And losing degrom lol

@jakestakes9075

Жыл бұрын

@@gokulebron well that’s not a loss he’s always injured. Rangers will probably regret that contract by the end of it

@T_K7

Жыл бұрын

Maybe so they were able to sign them for less years than the usual star free agent pitchers?

@emilsabatini4038

Жыл бұрын

Hoping they had something left !

@macipod00

Жыл бұрын

@emil sabatini don't get me wrong it's still mad max and Verlander but I don't see them pitching well in the off-season. In the regular season yeah. But it's gonna wear em down.

July 17th, 2023. New York Metropolitans Baseball Franchise. 43-50, 18.5 games back of the division leader. 7-19 in the month of June.

I agree about Steve Cohen. When he first bought the Mets, he said that he wouldn’t spend like “a drunken sailor”…and here he is, doing exactly that. The Mets are the most expensive team in baseball but aren’t the best. Not even in their own division. That’s a failure.

40+ year Met fan here. Winning it all would be great but if they play the way that they did last year. I’m ok with that. Last season was so much fun. Until September. I love the never say die attitude that the current team displays

I’ve been waiting for this video

I’m glad I’m not seeing any cocky Mets fans like I was last year

Big NL East fan here - Very insightful video - got a perspective

Who knew relying on 2 geriatrics to be your aces was a bad idea.

Not to mention your draft picks get worse now if you’re over luxury tax and keeps getting worse with each consecutive year. And luxury tax doubles every year you are consecutively over luxury tax. They renamed it the competitive balance tax and Mets pay 108m in tax, forfeit any compensatory picks and could lose up to a second and third round pick. The multiplier would put the tax at 216m next season on top of payroll. Which is why teams like the Dodgers and Red Sox shed some salary to reset the multiplier

As a life long White Sox fan, after watching this disastrous first half of the season and to all the people who say, "oh its still early in the season.." No. I can comfortably say that their season is O-VAH, as Hawk Harrelson would say. The Mets are the other team I've been following for the past few years since they acquired Frankie Lindor and been watching all their games like I do with the white sox. Jerry Reinsdorf has the same type of wealth as Steve Cohen but Jerry gives $29 million, "the biggest contract in white sox club history" to past their prime, mediocre catchers like Yasmani Grandal and Andrew Benintendi instead of actually dropping money on real superstars.

I totally agree that overpaying for mediocre and/or ageing talent is a bad way to do business. Cohen had a great foundation, threw money at it with reckless abandon and it may wind up being a huge problem

@BigPat216

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I'm glad that this year has pretty much shown that's not how you build a team. You end up paying for their previous success while they start regressing. Hardly any of these deals worked out. It's all about developing your prospects and keeping them around for a long time, like what the Braves are doing.

@ethancohen7_

Жыл бұрын

@@BigPat216 well that’s the hope with Alvarez Baty Vientos Mauricio for the Mets. Alex Ramirez soon

@KaPowSplat

Жыл бұрын

Thats also what the Padres have done recently and it hasn’t really worked for them either

@jeffreystriks7224

Жыл бұрын

mets my entire team sucks

@eldiablo3794

Жыл бұрын

Jerry Reinsdorf does the same thing with the white sox pertaining to signing mediocre or past their prime veterans... he has similar wealth as Cohen, but Jerry's cheap ass considers $29 million contract to Yasmani Grandal as a blockbuster contract.

I totally agree with you. This goes to prove once again that money can't solve everything.

@loualbino3634

Жыл бұрын

Which is why the Yankees had a dynasty and the red Sox won 3 titles in 10 years?

@CarlJohnson5342

Жыл бұрын

@@loualbino3634 you aren’t serious? The Yankees dynasty was far from a bought team. Their best players were from the farm and old scrappy vets. Even Clemens wasn’t a FA he was a trade. Btw don’t like the Yanks

The rotation has been a nightmare so far. At the top, two AARP pitchers who have both been hurt. Scherzer was hurt last year as well (along with deGrom). Senga hasn’t been as good as we hoped. The Colombian dude Quintana has been hurt. The remaining healthy starters have been trash. I think the wild card is going to be their best shot this year.

@liguy181

Жыл бұрын

Have we been watching the same Senga? Outside of his most recent start and the mess that was the Oakland game, he's done alright. Idk if you were expecting him to be the next Kershaw or Ohtani, but he's doing more than fine. My only complaint is that I wish he would last longer (he's only gone up to 6 innings twice and never longer), but I'm willing to attribute that to him getting used to MLB and the shorter days of rest compared to what Japan does

@Boricua-ni4nb

Жыл бұрын

DGrom..was never hurt..just a wise guy.,and money hungry.

@TheTEN24

Жыл бұрын

I trust Senga that’s about it

You've missed the point with the spending. The Mets are throwing money around to build a winner NOW while simultaneously improving a farm system that was ravaged by the Wilpons. In a few years, that won't be the case. Think about it: After 2026, the only big $$ contracts the Mets could still be tied to are Nimmo and Lindor (Diaz and Senga can opt-out after 2025, and McNeil has a club option for 2027), although I do expect them to keep Alonso. By that time, the Mets expect the farm system to be much improved and for some of their top prospects (Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio, Vientos and company) to be playing key roles. That way, the Mets won't be having to spend $350+ mil to field and sustain a winning team. It's why they backed out of the Correa deal once issues arose, and why they were unwilling to go beyond three years with deGrom.

@paullentz1972

Жыл бұрын

Why havent The Muts signed Alonso to a long term extension like The Braves have with their young players?

good shit man

We were a broken system. The Wilpons had a knack of not holding on to prospects. Cohen bought a team with almost nothing in the farm system. We called up Baty and Alvarez this year so far, but we still have Vientos and Mauricio tearing it up down in AAA. Outside of those 4; we don't have anyone near close to being MLB ready. So the entire signing people willynilly looks desperate; what other options do we have? Not many if at all. Cohen said he wants to get our farm system to that of LA, Atlanta, and Houston to were we always have people ready to call up or trade if we need too and that takes years; so all of these signings are to keep the team afloat until then. That being said; we are underperforming hard right now and my guess is because 1) we changed our hitting coach and 2) starting rotation has been a patch job. We should; should being the keyword, be able to turn things around but man it hasn't been fun so far.

@mousedaily4048

Жыл бұрын

Very spot on

@optimus2g

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This video is terrible.

@timmymcmanus3380

Жыл бұрын

Your are correct also the injury bug is kinda happening a bit with the Mets right now with diaz Quintana and Scherzer and brooks Railey and Carrasco and slo like a lot of our small relievers are hurt to like Elieser Hernandez

@_joeyvaldez

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more with your 2 points of underperformance so far from this team. I read somewhere they are grooming Eric Chavez to be Buck's replacement down the line so they moved him to bench coach (don't quote me), and I think Eric Hinske is our hitting coach? Yikes... it hasn't translated so far and it's frustrating to see this regression again. As for pitching, this is the risk we took with signing aging veterans where a majority of them are banged up and/or flat-out suck. Let's see how things progress as the season goes on, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they completely sit out of the playoffs this year.

Diaz was a crippling blow.

I watch as we just lose 3-2 to the Nationals who are not terrible but the Mets should be winning these games. We need to make some moves at the deadline. I don’t think we have to give up a ton of prospects but we need to make some hard choices.

Mets fans learning the hard way that money can’t buy a championship… it’s who you have in charge of the that money to cultivate a winning team

Time for an update

Didn’t expect the white sox to be catching strays here, they truly are a cautionary tale

The biggest issue for the Mets this season is that almost 4/5ths of their starting rotation has missed significant time due to injury. No one can account for that. This only highlighted other issues like streaky bats, a lack of pitchers in the farms, and Senga struggling to adapt. With Scherzer, Verlander, Carrasco, and Quintana healthy, we could have been talking about an entirely different team. Their health for the rest of the season will determine the future of the Mets. The lack of AAA pitchers ready for the pros is a serious point of concern.

@richardkim9952

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Diaz out for the season

@emilsabatini4038

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@johnstrawb3521

Жыл бұрын

@HylianKilljoy Yeah, who could have forseen that the oldest 5-man rotation in the history of baseball would be largely ineffective due to injury. 🙄

@emilsabatini4038

Жыл бұрын

@@johnstrawb3521 They say hindsight is 20/20. Who took it on themselves to assume everything was gonna be ok and work out with that rotation, without no plan B ( plan B meaning more pitchers)?

The facts in this video are a wake up call for our Mets!

I'm a very pessimistic Mets fan and don't expect much from this current team. But they're very far from leveraging their future. This current payroll, as inflated as it is, is designed to be much less in 2-4 years. This isn't like many teams stuck with multiple bad 3-8 year contracts. The only potential albatross one is *maybe* Lindor. They'll have plenty of money in these years to plug holes with free agents again, preferably a guy at an Ohtani level rather then a 40+ y/o Scherzer level. I killed this team for not being aggressive last trade deadline, but now they do have legit prospects coming up. Problem is, like the Yankees have done for so long, they stash prospects and refuse to let them move up quickly (see, Mauricio this year. He'd be an IMMEDIATE DH upgrade at minimum). The main reason teams like the Astros, Braves, Rays, and even the Dodgers have been much more success this last half decade then the Mets and Yankees. Those organizations trust prospects and allow them to almost immediately get MLB experience. The Braves and Astros in particular thrive at this. Meanwhile The Mets sat Baty and Alvarez last year in favor of very mediocre players Their biggest issue is they

This analysis is really surface level, I think you left out a lot of important details. Steve Cohen inherited a pretty barren farm system and nearly the entire pitching staff was hitting free agency this offseason. He wasn't pulling out his checkbook just to flex his financial power; he was forced to build the roster mainly through free agency. The main problem so far has been their pitching health, pretty much the whole staff is hurt and it won't stay that way for long. Also, a lot of people (Cohen included) compare this org to the Dodgers, but people seem to forget the Dodgers weren't amazing until like 5 years after their ownership change. They set the payroll record in 2015 and only went 92-70. That's how this model works, they have to pay a lot in the short term because they don't have the internal assets yet to trade or call up. But it is also what makes the PCA and End Rodriguez trades even more annoying.

@Luke_Skyraptor

Жыл бұрын

This 100%

@DanCapwell

Жыл бұрын

First off, can I have the 9 minutes of my life I just wasted watching this video back? Second, Aidan is 100% correct, a huge chunk of the offseason spending was on bringing back key pieces like Nimmo, McNeil, Ottovino and Diaz. The Verlander signing might not be great, but it looks much better than the deal Texas gave deGrom. The point about the barren farm system is very relevant as well. There is zero, I repeat ZERO starting pitching in the system that is anywhere near being ready to contribute. The other issue is the FO's total inability to acquire talent they don't pick up via FA. All of In-Eppler's deals have been horrible. Vogelbach, Ruf, Naquin, Hernandez have all done literally nothing for them. Vogie is blocking the much more powerful Mark Vientos at DH. I also disagree with the point about this year being crucial. Win or lose this year, the Mets are keeping Nimmo, McNeil, Lindor, Marte, Verlander, Senga, Scherzer, Diaz, Alvarez, and Baty. They are going to throw a ton of money at Alonzo. They will probably move on from Cahna, Escobar, and Ottovino due to expiring contracts. I suspect they keep Robertson. They might tinker around the edges with letting Vogie and Guillorme go and maybe shuffle in some new relievers, but that's about it.

@FreQuese

Жыл бұрын

Finally a fan with a brain. BMV really messed over our farm system. Its gonna take some time to recover from his failures and we just have to make up (like you said) with short term hires

@EmpSurge

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t even call this an analysis, I feel like the dude barely did any research and he didn’t really say anything? What am I supposed to take away from all this?

@VllBezZ

Жыл бұрын

@@Luke_Skyraptor perfectly said

The orioles were the same under showalter one year up one year down until the wheels fell completely off in 2018. Most was the GM fault cuz buck worked with what was given

cohen overrated? this is his 3rd year owning the team lol and he turned the mets around instantly. He is trying to replenish the farm and have a system like the rays/dodgers/braves and that takes time. As a mets fan i appreciate all the talent hes had to replace this off season and it is fustrating seeing it not click like last year but this will still be a good season for the mets.

@chrisranieri8307

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how people can't seem to realize what he inherited. a broken franchise from the big leagues down to player development.

I think the Mets will be alright. I've watched way too many seasons where they get off to a flaming hot start, you think they're gonna conquer the world, and then they fizzle out. Usually that happens in May, last year the Mets decided to wait until September. I'd rather a season like 2015, where they were mediocre going into the trade deadline, but then they went on a tear afterwards and ended up being NL champions. Obviously the dream scenario is to go 117-45 and then sweep the DS, CS, and WS, but that just realistically isn't gonna happen. The players, while good, are still human, and go through slumps and have off days and yadyada Also don't forget the pitching situation. Quintana is injured, Verlander has only 2 starts under his belt, and Diaz being injured meant Robertson had to be the closer which put even more pressure on a bullpen that's had to consistently pick up the slack the starting pitching left to be desired. If this team is somewhere between an 81 or 90 win pace at the trade deadline, I'll stay optimistic. And the long-term outlook of this franchise I am still very optimistic about

@emearsful

Жыл бұрын

This comment already appears to have aged well.

I will always root for the Mets because of David Wright, he's my all time favorite player (Giants fan) but the last few years they act like they've won the Series and they're those guys and the most they've done was spend the most in the off-seasons

Not for a second did I ever believe the Mets would be good. When they got Steve Cohen, I knew that he would just spend a bunch of money and the Mets would still suck. Even if they do make the postseason, it’s still gonna be below expectations, and they won’t make it past the division series. They are the Mets. They will choke.

its funny because when OOTP baseball came out in April it predicted the Mets being a .500 team while the Rangers would play in the NLCS this season when Foolish Bailey simmed the 2023 season with the current rosters...nuts!

@waidwml2166

Жыл бұрын

I seriously doubt the Rangers make the NLCS

@michaelrizka

Жыл бұрын

@@waidwml2166 yeah I really think it kinda impossible for Rangers to get to NLCS. ALCS on the other hand is a possibility

Take it easy, it's May.

Diaz’s freak injury in the WBC kneecapped this team before the season even started. The starting pitching has been a mess of injuries and inefficiency which trickles down to an overworked bullpen. The lack of offense is upsetting considering they didn’t improve at all from last seasons team (Vogelbach has been a disgrace to watch especially), and they have been playing poorly against an extremely easy schedule. No joy in Flushing in 23.

@Airmode9000

Жыл бұрын

What's wrong with Vogelbach? His OPS+ is 117, WRC+ is 131, seems good to me

They are either super hot or super cold and cannot find a middle ground for some consistency. I think showing the flashes is enough to know that they have the potential to put it together but it could be too late by the time they do figure it out.

Injuries?! This season hasn’t even started..

Cool.... do the Padres next.....

Taking 2 out of 3 from the Rays sure is a good start!

The Mets can *definitely* make it again but can they STOP GETTING INJURED FOR ONCE?? Our pitching staff is so terrible right now. Heck, I don't even know most of them!

The New York Mutts are kind of like a kid's birthday party. They go, and there's really nothing for them to do there, but the other team is having a really good time, so they... they're just kind of there. That's kind of what it's like.

the 2022 had this wierd lineup where almost everyone on the lineup card was a 780-900 ops player...not monster power bat, no free out. it works over a long sample but come the post season you have to have that player that strikes fear in the hearts of pitchers and while Pete Alonso is a great bat, he's got a ways to go before he is that guy.

@2009ccastillo

Жыл бұрын

During post season they look like they never have been in that position, I remember they look so afraid so pitchers ate them, Marte was a huge lost in the defense which was strong...and so other players. But LGM once a fan always a fan, this is the way💪

Here we are and the organization tried to come out and say “we didn’t really see us taking off for another year or 2 lmao

Its not a big deal. Cohen said he was willing to spend until they were able to build a farm system that would allow to be less reliant on spending. As long as they dont make shortsighted trades for rentals, they can do that. They're already reaping the benefits of said farm system with guys like Baty and Alvarez and will do more so in the future with guys like Vientos, Mauricio, Parada, Ramirez, Jett Williams, etc. They're adding another draft class and more IFAs as well.

@Scheboygan8767

Жыл бұрын

And still no pitching prospects, the pitching and hitting both suck, if you can’t win with a 360 million dollar payroll you aren’t winning with prospects. It just shows how incompetent the front office is, changes will have to be made. I don’t think they have a single pitcher under a 4 era😭

@josephchirichella761

Жыл бұрын

@@Scheboygan8767 That's not remotely true. Scouting, drafting, and development is different than acquiring established major leaguers in trade and FA. That's on the previous regimes for not drafting and developing pitchers who should be ready now. Eppler has been here for less than 2 years. That takes time to have that roster depth.

Other than the two old head pitchers, are any of their signings really over market? The two big pitching contracts come off the books after next year, ~$100M, so its not some neverend outflow. Also your number for total $$$ including luxury task is wrong, only $$ over the threshold gets considered for penalties

@greencat1849

Жыл бұрын

Mets salary: 380 million Threshold: ≈240 million Over Threshold: 140 million 380 million + 140 million ≈ 520 million Also, whatever they go over NEXT year is being doubled...so if they continue with their 380 million (140 over)...the luxury tax increases to 280 million alone.

Injuries are also a plague. Not sure the exact number, but I'd love to see the payroll w/o Verlander, Diaz, Quintana, Narvaez, etc. Even though I know Verlander has been back for least 3ish starts. Also Scherzer w/ suspension + IL troubles. That plays a huge role in why we are doing so mid rn too, although it is definitely not an excuse and not the whole reason why we are sub .500, just a factor to consider

@greencat1849

Жыл бұрын

But why would you sign those injury plagued players to begin with?

@BKDBut

Жыл бұрын

@@greencat1849 Before this injury Narvaez had spent 39 days on the IL in his 8 year career. 9 of that was COVID. This was Diaz's first injury and it was a total freak incident. Quintana has been injured 4x since 2012. Before the Mets signed Scherzer he'd been injured 4x since 2008, totaling 64 days. Mets hand was forced with Verlander. If the Mets didn't sign him, what's their rotation right now? The SP classes have been pretty weak last 2 years. Not much the Mets could do, and the previous owner left the farm completely bare of pitching prospects

@BKDBut

Жыл бұрын

I'm not gonna prorate or anything, but this is the salary that's been dead a lot of the year, some of which will be the entire year: Verlander: $43.3 mil Scherzer: $43.3 mil Quintana: $13 mil Narvaez: $7.5 mil Diaz: $18.6 mil McCann: $9.3 mil Cano: $20.2 mil Ruf: $3.2 mil That's $158 mil. There's several million more across numerous players that are not on the roster, but these are the main ones

Gary Sanchez on the team would appear they pushed the panic button. Give them a month or 2 to settle and perhaps they get back in the mix.

Or we could learn from the Braves who develop pitchers and don't just try to buy wins. Love watching them kick our ass for 40 years

@toddferguson6369

Жыл бұрын

@breadandcircuses8127 As a NY escapee I would expect a New Yorker to think throwing $ at a problem will solve it. You should be a Yankee fan traitor

The Mets will always met.

I may just be too high but.. how can the future change??How can something change if it hasn't happened yet??? 🤯🤯

First inning pitching failures are by far the biggest problem with the Mets. I blame the pitching coach. Even the best pitchers have been tanking in the 1st inning. How are they preparing for the mound? Maybe they need to pitch an inning in the parking lot? It's that bad. Sure, the bats could be more consistent, but 4-0 before your first ups can be pretty deflating.

Baseball's a tough game hey Stevie?

As a Braves fan, this Mets team really warms my heart.

I think the top prospects will make a difference, if and when they decide to have all 4 in the bigs

@Scheboygan8767

Жыл бұрын

No pitching, pitching matters more then offense in baseball when will people realize

As a lifelong Mets fan, I’m cautiously optimistic that they’ll turn it around. I pray they make a move for an above average starting pitcher. The bats will wake up, but the starting pitching has been shaky. Scherzer and Verlander HAVE to inspire the other arms, or they’re not making the playoffs

@greencat1849

Жыл бұрын

Do you have the prospects for a top end pitcher? You Mets fans seem to forget that part...ik you ain't getting rid of the 3 guys you need (Baty, Alvarez, Mauricio). And a trade would only hurt that "depleted" and "awful" farm system for a player that you would only probably have till the end of the season.

pinning all your hopes (and a ton of money ) on 2 40year old pitchers never seemed like a smart plan

[As a Yankee fan...] Very informative. I don't share your hopes, though: like the Red Sox, I just think the Mets are cursed indefinitely. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, though.

I think you worded something wrong. You said that Cohen is overrated because HE made a non functional postseason team, but it was Billy Eppler who didn’t pick up the best players fit for this team and constructed this roster oddly. Cohen wasn’t the problem. He trusted the GM Eppler with his money, but Eppler didn’t make the best deals. Problem is that once your a team that paid 130 million to a 37 year old pitcher, you set a standard for players interested in the team that want a payday.

There are a lot of teams underperforming this year

I think we should've kept Dominic Smith, JD Davis and Comforto. This is almost like the 92, 93 season.

A lot of teams look good and are close to 500..... with the obvious exception of Oakland because I'd be surprised if they finish above 300

Also the money the Mets spent in the 2022 off season would be for multiple years per person so it’s not like the Mets had to write a $400 million dollar check or anything

You would be correct, they’re not gonna bounce back and the team is crumbling. Paying AARP members as a rotation was a terrible idea…15 was the chance for the Mets to win it all. One thing I don’t agree with tho is the 5-10 years part. I think it’ll be a 2 year issue as most of these overpays are in the short term until the farm system improves

My METS will do this year what the Braves did last year...suck now, shine later. 😄 [or at least I hope they do].

It’s very, very, very frustrating.

Steve cohen is the best owner the Mets have ever had.

almost every team suffers tons of injuries and slumps every year. every once in a while, you have a magical season where the team is healthy and they make a deep playoff run. thats why its so hard. look at the dodgers. star studded lineup but riddled with injuries every year. mets fans need to look beyond their team and see the injuries across the sport.

I think the front office is smart enough not to just wait for the mets to start performing if they aren't doing well. If they're a .500 team at the Deadline they will do everything they can to bring reinforcements.

This strategy would've made a lot more sense and led to far fewer tears if Cohen didn't say the goal was to win a World Series in 3-5 years after buying the team. Because the Mets farm system was mediocre in the early 2020's, sans for prospects that have basically already all been called up by now (or traded by BVW), the only way to capitalize off the talent the team already had was through big free agent signings, hence Lindor, Scherzer, Marte, Verlander, and so on. The free agent market is always risky even in the best of times, and when the best pitchers available are basically 40, that just compounds the risk. A lot of people have missed the fact that by 2025 or so, the vast majority of these expensive contracts are off the books - the Mets have very little guaranteed money at that time, although there is still Lindor's contract to worry about. But farm systems take time to develop; the Astros, Dodgers, and Braves were mediocre to bad for many years before ending up in the positions they currently find themselves. This current run is probably not going to get the Mets to the promised land unless they turn things around in June or something, but given that the alternative is likely a Marlins-esque fire sale, which would make Cohen pretty unpopular off the bat (no pun intended), I don't think this is that bad. The real question is, will the Mets actually make the necessary smart-money moves in 2025 and develop their prospects more aggressively? We'll just have to wait and see about that.

Because there are three wild cards in each league, the season isn't over in April or May unless it's really, really bad.

I think Cohen, the front office, wanted to win now. Throw money at expensive players. While drafting well for the future. Dodgers model. Drafting well is key. There are tons of homegrown talent this team has had since 1962. Too many to mention. Have to have the right mix of veterans youngsters. Then develop team chemistry. Then play well and together. And also not have devastating injuries to your core players. Then have the "baseball gods" smile on you, too. Meaning a bit luck as well. Baseball in general, MLB baseball especially is a hard game. The season begins in February and can last well into October. That's an awful long time to see the same faces. Got to have a good clubhouse, too. Pulling for each other and playing well together is another key. Let's see what happens after the All-Star Break and see what their mindset is for the second half of the season. And get key guys back. Or try to dump salary and trade for some promising prospects. And draft well. Kind of tough because they did win 101 games last year. Unless they can trade up to get a higher pick.

They will figure it out play winning baseball 😊

Man I don't know what's going on with my whitesox

Similar thing happening to the Padres

Chop on! Go braves

Perhaps it different train of thought but underperforming players should not impact if the contract offered was a good one. Scherzer and Verlander have sucked: but are there short term high AVV deals inefficient? I much rather have those deals that would be off the books in a couple of years than Degrom/Rondon 5+ year deals. Senga has played well Nimmo having a good season Robertson as well. Lindor in terms of WAR been a top 2 shortstop since signing the deal. Mcniel has absolutely fallen off a cliff but nobody was complaining about his deal when he got extended.

The 2022 braves? You mean 2021 braves? I’m so lost thru this video.. haha I haven’t watched a video and had more questions after I watched than before I watched it. Lol

0:30 except the White Sox...they're done....

This is why they had to make a move at the deadline last yr

The pitching staff needs to get healthy first. Max has dealt with random minor injures as well as his SWEAT AND ROSIN suspension. Verlander just made his 2nd start. Quintana is out for half the season. Carlos Carrasco has been injured and should return soon.

You never know how a team will react to a slow start but having two future hof pitchers leading the ship it should work itself out.. 30 yrs ago great names equaled success but in todays games of pitch clocks and bad rule changes it’s all in who figures it out

God bless

Fire Showalter and make Carlos Beltran manager. They need to get consistency if this year is to be successful. Dfa Tomas Nido and bring up Ronald Mauricio

It's time they bring up their two talented minor league prospects. Let McHits play left field and put on second and let the other DH and spell the infield.

I think you missed the entire point with the spending. Our farm system is pretty mediocre right now and we don't have any prospects to fill in the holes we needed to patch up. The plan is to rebuild the farm and spend to fill in holes. It's not reckless spending for the sake of having money. The Mets also don't want to trade away the farm for rentals or a flash in the pan. It's big spending for the long term of the franchise.

@greencat1849

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When you spend 380 million on a roster...you shouldn't have many holes to fill.

2:30 I recognize the face of an unassisted triple play

Just when you thought you couldn’t find a worse owner/GM combo than the NYY, Cohen comes along…same city no less. Paying 40 y/o pitchers $43 mm/year and closers over $20 mm/year is a recipe for disaster. See how the Braves (real moneyball team) and Rays conduct business. MLB should have a hard $200 mm salary cap to balance the league and lower ticket prices. Otherwise the richest guy grabs all the talent. $290 million is way too much and a joke. That’s what I love about the NBA and NFL. They force owners to make hard decisions and not just throw money out there.

$128 Million on two pitchers that won’t play this season smh, Old injured rotation, perineal problems leaving RISP, I think the Mets will get it together for a low wild card seed with an early exit that’s the best we can hope for it’s a shame, I think Steve Cohen is now only focusing on building his Casino 🎰 in the Parking lot which sucks.

This video is a Big swing and a miss. No one in the Mets organization or any decent fans believe that we have the best team because we spent the most. We spent the most because this team was managed improperly for years by the previous owners the only way to keep this team competitive was the overspend and that’s what Cohen did. A lot of money will drop off next year. Cohen is a fantastic owner, and no matter what happens this year. We’re very happy to have him.

@cgtz9526

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Big picture with no aquisitions once the dead weight is gone and the kids are up. DH Vientos C Alvarez 1B Alonso 2B McNeil Ss Lindor 3b Baty Cf Nimmo Rf Marte Lf Mauricio I am not worried about the offense but I have no idea who is gonna pitch this season and next season. Bring big sexy back.

Mets have spent the first two months with the rotation completely injured and have had no one drive in runs besides Lindor, Alonso and Nimmo. They are starting to get healthy and like a game out of the playoffs, they’ll right the ship

@greencat1849

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So have the Braves, hasn't stopped them

It's not 80% of the total payroll. The Mets will "only" pay 80% of the amount over the luxury tax threshold

This is missing so much.

While I get it with the white Sox players wanting to leave if ur a big time ball player there’s no where else to go other than NY

Considering the Braves were 10.5 behind and Phillies made it to the World Series id say anything is possible

The mets biggest problem is the same its always been, they need more base hits. They don't score enough runs and their team ba drops with runners in scoring position. Yeah it sucks that their 2 best pitchers are geriatric, the pool of prospects is so shallow, and diaz is out for the season due to a freak accident, but none of that matters if you score 0-2 runs per game.

What are you a Braves fan?

@TimothyJohnLukeSmithPSA

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@breadandcircuses8127 I have to say you are right, now that we are further along in the season...bummer.