Do you agree with this lesson... Is it the most important thing to master on the drums? Let me know in the comments below!

@Thedrummersalmanac

5 жыл бұрын

@george nolte ...Absolutely, Morello was a visionary that I think sometimes doesn't get enough credit.

@Thedrummersalmanac

5 жыл бұрын

@george nolte So jealous... I wish I had a chance to take a lesson with him and Chapin... Missed the boat there.

@Thedrummersalmanac

5 жыл бұрын

@george nolte Exactly... I've studied with guys would worked extensively with both teachers and that was the general consensus. It's why I categorize the Moeller stroke into a wider category of "informal" strokes. This encompassed Morello's style as well as Chapin. So whether your are a fan of Stone, Moeller or Gladstone all have their place and should be studied.

@TheBonhamesque

3 жыл бұрын

Been looking for this, Dom famularo is a cool guy

@Thedrummersalmanac

3 жыл бұрын

james spratt ...he’s a great guy indeed! Great educator. I have Spratts in my family. Wonder if we are related 😂

That Buddy Rich lesson was worth millions. Your teacher was very fortunate to learn from the master. Good lesson. The full stroke uses physics to keep the groove going.

I love the Buddy Rich story. (I think one of the reasons he was such a fast player is he wasn't impeded by any level of patience.🤣) In an instant, he knew exactly what the most essential piece of advice he could give someone. Moreover, your telling of the story absolutely affirms your assertions in this video. Now, I know what to practice. Thank you.🙏🏻

I kinda find other (pretenders) guys more funny to know they didn't even know this basic yet hugely important technique you've shared sir...this lesson shows the BIBLE in every touch of the drumsticks to the head of drums and cymbals too! you had a great quick lightning grasp of Buddy Rich's important 'tool' and are able to share it with us too...i've downloaded similar full stroke tutorials but your discussion even made them more interestingly clear and fun!!! God Bless You!!! Kudos ;) Rey Nasol here

@Thedrummersalmanac

9 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Renato... That is my main goal as an instructor, to make the lesson clear and simple. I appreciate your thoughts... Thanks Again! ~ Jay

Wow! Thank you for that. So well presented and articulated. I've been all over the internet looking at lessons, but that was stellar and inspiring. Really appreciate you caring enough to make the rest of us better drummers.

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

That what I love to hear Kevin. The biggest compliment I could ever receive is to hear that someone reached a new level because of something I showed them. It's my gasoline!

I kinda discovered this one on my own by accident, but now I understand the value of this stroke. Thank you.

The lesson I've been really looking for... thank you!!

Dude! You are such a drum nerd and I love you for it. Another great lesson in something I should have learned 30 years ago.

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Ivanka speads for Quincy Jones ☺️ I am a drum nerd. You nailed it. Lol... Thanks for checking it out and I’m glad you dug the lesson.

great lesson just discovering the full stroke! I must also make sure my fulcrum is good too thanks Drummers Almanac this was a really well explained and helpful video :)

thank you for this Video. I'm playing drums since 1981, but always failed to train my stick control. your videos are very motivative for me now to go ahead! 

I've been trying different techniques to fix my left hand technique as it never learned the rebound stroke at all. Despite trying just about everything else, full strokes is the best bang for your buck because drummers rarely need a full stroke, but we always need the feeling of it, even during taps. It just makes sense to practice the least practical motion so well, that the others become physically way easier to perform by proxy

@Thedrummersalmanac

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, well said... when you develop it... the feeling just becomes part of your touch.

Excellent lesson! I've been told this a million times, but I feel like now it's finally sunk in. Thank you!

@Thedrummersalmanac

5 жыл бұрын

Anytime!

Excellent teaching style. Been watching and practicing with a huge number of different styles online, but still feel weak when I need to be quick. I can certainly see how these techniques will greatly improve my form. Thanks!

Great lesson, I never saw it better bevore. Now I understand the "full" much more. It´s amazing how you drop it. The best wishes from Germany!!!

@Thedrummersalmanac

9 жыл бұрын

MrBummtschak Anytime... and thanks for the feedback!

Great info and demos! Thanks for sharing your Buddy story!

Oh yeahhhh, playin’ off the bounce….with the bounce, so relaxed……great lesson…..

Great explanation of this super important stroke. Since I really started spending extra time trying to develop this, I'm so much more relaxed with the sticks playing all types of music.

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

It trickles down to everything in your playing. I'm glad you understand the value. It's lost on a lot of drummers.

You are an extremely good teacher. You are obviously intelligent and have worked on the physics of drumming. That is something I forget often, that there is an action/re-action to drumming. Well described, even though I have played for years this got through to me. That is sometimes hard to do for those of us which get stuck in our ways. I am now a subscriber brother. Thanks for the refresher.Regards.

@Thedrummersalmanac

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you Humblehombre... Glad you dug this lessons. There are a ton more on my channel, and feel free to check out the website as well. Just click the link in the video description!

helped a lot. thank you very much!

Great lesson. Thanks!

I’ll keep watching you doing the strokes over and over a la Buddy Rich…The visual shows it all even without explanation. Demand the student to focus with the eyes the “grip” and the big movement…..over and over till the brain just says I got it! Great demonstration thanks

@Thedrummersalmanac

3 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome 🙏

Thank you so so much for these great videos !

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

you are most welcome. Christian

Very cool man thanks

Zrozumiałem. Dziękuję za tą bardzo istotną lekcję.

Excellent. Man, I still struggle with this. Seems simple but doesn't always feel like it. Great illustration.

@Thedrummersalmanac

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks... sorry I’m a little late in replying... by about 5 years. some comments slip through the net.

Thanks a lot for sharing!!

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Anytime my friend!

Hi. I really like your videos and just wanted to say " thank you" . Glenn Joel Hamilton told me about your site. 👍😊

@Thedrummersalmanac

3 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome. And Glenn is the man! One of my favorite people on this planet.

Fantastic Lesson!

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

LukeWalker666 ...thank you 🙏

Thank you Brother! That was an awesome lesson, Love to hear about Buddy Rich. God father . LDT drum instructor School Of Rock Katy Texas

@Thedrummersalmanac

8 жыл бұрын

+Lawrence Del Toro Thanks... glad you dug it! Make sure to subscibe.

Keep up the correct way..thank you

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Matt!!! How did I miss this comment from you. I just noticed it 2 years later... I am such a fan of what you are doing online and belong to all of your FB groups. We should definitely do something together on of these days. Feel free to DM me anytime!

I could not agree more. I have been playing drums most of my life (22) years old ! And I have never learned this technique properly. I was in my 2nd year at Humber college in Toronto ON when I started experiencing RSI - some sort of repetitive strain from now what I think to be lack of rebound and I was basically absorbing the shock in my arns. It took 13 years of playing to bring it out. Now I am faced with re-structuring my technique. Its going to be hard- But well worth it in time. I am struggling with applying it to the kit though. The faster I play the harder it is to tell if I am using it properly.

@ronroffel1462

9 жыл бұрын

RSI, wow. I hope you loosened your grip and learned to relax more. Watch the muscles on the great drummers' forearms. You will notice that they rarely use their muscles for power. They let the sticks and gravity do the work for them.

i thought at the beginning it was some kind of mix martial arts lesson. just joking lol. thanks mate! helped me a lot

had a great teacher back in the 70s that wanted me to learn arm strokes but with cutoff broom sticks he learned from a guy back east , very effective

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Really? I've never heard that before. i'll have to give it a try...

WOW! Dat sticks!

Great- Great lesson. What type of drumstick do you use.

Beauty!!

@Thedrummersalmanac

3 жыл бұрын

👍🏻

Hey man, is this possible for you to teach online? I live in Brazil but I really like your teaching. Reply me if you think it's possible. TKS!

Those are some really big drum sticks you have there.

This is a great video. I would love to watch the fulcrum video, too. Any plans on opening your course sometime soon?

@Thedrummersalmanac

3 жыл бұрын

The end of this month!

@theryanshantz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thedrummersalmanac awesome!!!!

Thank you for this exercise. I don't need to make much noise now while practicing single strokes with a fulcrum swing. Soon no more cave man swings. Going to be worth the practice.

@Thedrummersalmanac

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason Bay ...totally worth it.

ANOTHER GREAT LESSON FROM A MASTER TEACHER!

@Thedrummersalmanac

8 жыл бұрын

+Christopher Jones ...Thanks Christopher. That means a lot

that story about buddy and his teacher made me cry. im having a weird day.

@Thedrummersalmanac

9 жыл бұрын

lol

What I find most difficult is the difference in feel between the snare and the toms. The snare is usually tight and the head is very responsive but the larger the tom head the less the rebound unless you tune the top head high. So the trade off seems to be rebound versus lower pitches.

@Thedrummersalmanac

10 жыл бұрын

That is true! You have to do your best with whatever rebound you have available. It is a fact that as you graduate around the tom toms your physicality needs to kick in more, but by honing this feeling of rebound, you will train you hands to work as efficiently as possible.

I can do the first part but I am having trouble with the 2nd part, the throw and catch part, when I throw the sticks, it just bounces horizontally or all over the place, and cannot seem to make it go vertically again to catch. Any tips on how to do this or what I am doing wrong?

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

It's hard to tell without seeing what you are doing... What I teach my students first is to find the fulcrum... and without hitting the drum just grab the tip of the stick with your opposite hand and pull the stick up and down, tracing the path. the fulcrum needs to be strong, but not tight. Don't squeeze the stick. Then the stick needs to have a straight path with no interference from your fingers. Make sure nothing is getting in the way of the stick. I also teach them to keep their fingers relaxed and in a straight line... like a handshake. This creates a guide for the stick to follow so it can only go up and down... not back and forth. if you watch this vid carefully. Check out what my fingers are doing when I demonstrate the exercise. I hope that helps.

Ya, Pro. Your demo was using the traditional grip, but your explanation was focused on the German Grip. What's that mean?

@Thedrummersalmanac

7 жыл бұрын

Don't confuse German Grip with Traditional grip. They are not in the same category. Traditional grip reflects the older more "traditional" way of holding the stick in your left hand. Essentially you are cradling the stick as opposed to gripping it as you do in your right hand. The antithesis of this is 'Match' grip where both hands are gripping the stick the same way. German or 'Germanic style' refers to your hands being in the palm down position with your thumbs to the side. French or French Timpani style would be the opposite. Your hands would be in a "hand shake" position with your thumbs on top of the sticks. Neither of these would affect the position of the left-hand cradle if you also use the Traditional grip. You can play a French style and in a traditional grip where your left hand is cradled, but your right is in a French position. Inversely you can do the same with the German style as I demonstrate here. I chose to demonstrate this using a traditional grip to benefit drummers that play that way. If you play matched grip, the left hand is identical to what the right hand is doing. I hope that clears it up and answers your question :-)

I'm having issues with the rebound on the left hand using traditional grip. Any suggestions?

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

jeff wetmore sure. In the beginning... after the stick rebounds leave your hand completely open and just feel the rebound in the valley between your thumb and index. Once that feels good, then start incorporating the other fingers to catch the rebound and control it.

@barberjeff67

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thedrummersalmanac thank you for the info, much appreciated!

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

jeff wetmore you are very welcome

Serious question , what is the practical application of this? I can see that this is a good technique to master, but I just don't see this being used anywhere on a song, as it is too slow to execute consecutively. Unless I am missing something?

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Arevalo Thats a great question. The Full Stroke helps you develop the relationship between you pushing the stick and the stick rebounding back up. We call this “playing out of the drums.” By studying this technique you start using it it every time you strike any surface on the drums. You start to utilize the rebound which allows the sticks to do half of the work. This is the secret to playing fast and staying relaxed. Fir ex. If you give someone a pair of sticks and say “play RLRL as fast as you can” ...what happens?. The faster they try to play, the tighter they grip the stick, the more they push and build tension. This results in overworking ...and the sticks not moving all that fast and sounding pretty terrible. But when you start playing “out of the drums”, the faster you get... the looser you get and the more energy you abdicate to the sticks and the rebound. This exercise is so important because it is the first step to training your body to accept the rebound and maintain proper form and relaxation. From there, over time it will move to everything you do on the drums.

@michaelarevalo896

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thedrummersalmanac yes that makes more sense. so not really a song pattern per se like the paradiddles, flams, but a technique that would help in being relaxed while playing regardless of what speed you are doing.

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Arevalo ...you got it, my friend!

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelarevalo896 Exactly

Hi Jay, very informative video. I've been watching a lot about the full stroke and yours is one of the best explanations I've seen. I've seen another video - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZG2DtZKLebSbepc.html , where he also talks about the full stroke and agrees with it, but he deems it unnecessary to do the "extend the fingers fully" motion, as it also uses some muscles to do that, and detracts from the relaxation part. What do you think? Do we really have to do the extend the fingers motion or is it not needed?

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

No you absolutely do not have to extend the fingers. But when you are learning it, extending the fingers halls you feel the rebound quicker. If they don’t... the student is more prone to cheating and pulling the stick up. But ultimately, as long as you are giving it up to the rebound 100%, then you don’t need to let go.

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nice drum lessons but also nice shirt,you look very nice,how can i get one,i want to buy one.

@Thedrummersalmanac

10 жыл бұрын

Lol... Thanks Pablo... I'll let you know when I start making them available!

@charrabata

10 жыл бұрын

i will be very happy for that,thank you very much

Isn't time for the traditional grip to go away? RIP. I mean, who is drumming in a marching band. If traditional grip is so great, why not use it with both hands??

@Thedrummersalmanac

5 жыл бұрын

lol... That's a good comment. Traditional actually uses fewer muscle groups in your weaker hand, so yes I too would argue it is indeed an inferior grip from a technical standpoint. However certain things do FEEL different... so if you like that feeling, that's why some drummers use the grip. There is no other advantage other than just liking the feel of the grip. Bottom line is, great technique comes from practice regardless of which grip you use.

@farshimelt

4 жыл бұрын

I grew up playing Jazz, using a traditional grip. When I play any other style of music I use a matched grip and when I play Jazz I go back to traditional grip. It's a different feeling and for me, I can do subtler things.

As i thought ,. 6 lessons free and the rest will need $39.99 for 1 month, thanks , ive got free one, somehow LOL

in my opinion, a lot too much useless motion, sorry bro.

@Thedrummersalmanac

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Kai... thanks for writing in. This exercise is life changing, if you understand the reasoning behind it. My advice would be to take some time to really study it before you dismiss it.

DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!!!! HE DOSEN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO HOLD THE WAND.....

@farshimelt

4 жыл бұрын

Please make a video showing how you do it. Until then STFU.

That Buddy Rich lesson was worth millions. Your teacher was very fortunate to learn from the master. Good lesson. The full stroke uses physics to keep the groove going.