When I became a Calvinist (Reformed) I asked, "Where have I been all this time ?" As someone who 'grew up' spiritually in dispensationalism, I suddenly realized I had found genuine faith I could hold for the rest of my life.

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

God bless you Jeff...I wish you all the best in your journey. So what about it did you find spiritually appealing?

@Christlover88

3 ай бұрын

Are you sure?

@truthtransistorradio6716

2 ай бұрын

What does Dispensationalism have to do with it? I am neither Calvinist or Dispensational.

John 6:37 [37] All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

@5Solas1Truth

Жыл бұрын

Who is the all in context? The Jews. Go read all of John 6. It is over 65 verses. In the city text if that chapter it is about the Jews

@Jus4kiks

Жыл бұрын

John tells you who they are, read 17:6.. it’s so simple.

@tricord2939

11 ай бұрын

@@5Solas1Truth John 17:6 [6] “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.

So when did make the sovereign, personal decision to allow God to save you?

My wife and I left our church due to Calvinism. When I brought up concerns about this doctrine with the pastor, he ended up badmouthing me with churchgoers. So we left. What’s worse is, no one cares that one left, because the chalk it up to their version of predestination, or determinism.

@ShowCat1

Жыл бұрын

Badmouthing one that does not go along with their doctrine I have found to be common.

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

Predestination for salvation and predestination for damnation is indeed biblically true, also Jesus died only for the elect is also biblically true...

@sheilasmith7779

Жыл бұрын

Jedimasterham2: How Christian is the behavior you experienced. Sadly, this behavior causes such hurt and resentment that people abandoned Christianity. As a Christian, I feel my duty is to call out the sinfulness of the behavior you experienced. It's delusional for Christians to believe that a theology, a doctrine, a belief, matters more to God than our behavior. No.

@sheilasmith7779

Жыл бұрын

Jedi: The response of tour pastor is nothing more than a justification for his sinful behavior. Slander and gossip by a pastor....appalling.

@sheilasmith7779

Жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo No, neither of those 2 calvinist beliefs are supported by scripture. John 3: 16, refutes the calvinists belief of "limited attonment." The "elect," are actually those who voluntarily chose to accept, Jesus Christ. The "elect" are not a preassigned, predestined group God created for heaven or hell, before humans are born.

I'll roll wth r.c.,calvin,Edwards,warfeild,pink,macarther, augustine, jones,paul,etc.

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

Paul never taught that. It's a philosophy of men.

@5Solas1Truth

Жыл бұрын

Question. I was a Calvinist for 30 years. Ever wonder why Calvinist never talk about the first 400 years of the church? That should make you think. I read Steve Lawsons book "Pillars of Grace". His reason (yes I read many apostolic fathers) why Refomed theology does not aprsr until Augustine in the 4th century is because they did not have time to hammer out theology. Convenient. "Just so happens" .

@michaelrameriz2723

Жыл бұрын

Read institutes, and you'll know what calvin taught,or,just read your bible,you probably come to most of the same conclusions...or not..that's up to God...

@5Solas1Truth

Жыл бұрын

@michaelrameriz2723 Yep! A book Calvin wrote at the age of 23 not even being a beiliver for 5 years. He was a lawyer. It is interesting he has more arguments than stated facts in his institutes

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelrameriz2723 This video presented many verses which refute each of the 5 points of Calvinism. So if you cannot understand those scriptures, what scriptures do you understand?

“As more people become more intelligent they care less for preachers and more for teachers.” ― Robert Ingersol

“Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭29‬ ‭ Isn’t belief a work of God? That we believe? Our actions beyond that initial work of His then are ours. . . 🤔

@00Recoil

11 ай бұрын

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” The followers of Jesus asked him what were the works that God required. Jesus answered, the only work that God requires is to Believe in the one he sent. Specifically to believe in Jesus. This is why context matters, Amber.

"I'm a Biblicist". Great quote. I will use that going forward. Thanks for posting the video. I've never realized the fact that Calvinism transfers 'responsibility' in the relationship between man and God to God alone and absolves mankind of any responsibility. The interaction between God and man has always required a response to His interaction with us. We have a responsibility. The old testament prophets were sent to invite the people to 'return to the LORD' - 'to repent'. Ezekiel 18 is a poignant discourse on the responsibility of the individual, outlining the relational response to the LORD. Jesus himself issued the invitation early and often "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand'.

@scotttuttle3513

11 ай бұрын

You didn't realize it because that's not what the Doctrines of Grace teach. This is a classic tool of deceptive teachers. They misstate what their opponent believes and teaches or else as in this case generalize a whole group by the extremes. There are hyper-calvinists who are both unbiblical and double predestinarians. That isn't the typical Calvinist. Actually, the saving covenants between God and man have always been unilateral. In OT times, when two leaders solemnized a covenant, they would kill a bull as a sacrifice and split the two halves then walk between them together. When God solemnized His covenant with Israel, He moved between the two halves alone. The OT makes it abundantly clear that God's commitment to Israel was NOT dependent on what they did or chose. He chose them. In the NT, Ephesians 1:4 among several other passages make it clear that God chooses and regenerates the elect. What the Bible does NOT say nor does the Doctrines of Grace teach is the idea that God somehow forces some people to sin or remain in their sin. Ask yourself, who is good enough to deserve salvation. If you say the correct answer, "none". Then what differentiates the redeemed from the lost? God regenerates the elect freeing them to believe. EVERY creature has "free will" within its nature. God alone can change a dead spiritual nature into a living one. That act is a sovereign choice by Him that precedes and enables saving faith. Even if you claim that the difference is a free will choice... then you turn salvation into a human work. The "good" choose one way and the "bad" choose the other. It is then human goodness and not that of God.

@scotttuttle3513

11 ай бұрын

PS- a "Biblicist" will not avoid the clear declarations of scripture like Ephesians 1 and Romans 8 & 9

So today, or maybe yesterday, is the first time I’ve heard of Calvinism. Will a follower please explain what your beliefs are.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

To be honest, that's a huge request for a youtube comment. Fortunately for you, Calvinists have been very good at making quite detailed statements of belief and holding to them for centuries across multiple Reformed denominations. I'd highly recommend reading the _Westminster Confession of Faith_ or the _Three Forms of Unity,_ both of which are readily available online for free. I personally recommend the Westminster Confession as it is laid out in a pretty logical order and does a good job of showing how everything connects. The Three Forms is actually three different documents made up of the Belgic Confession, the Heidelburg Catechism, and the Canons of Dort. Sometimes people will treat "Calvinism" as merely belief the acrostic TULIP. If you want to see what that is about, I think going to the Canons of Dort is your best bet, as the TULIP acrostic is a very very brief summary of the doctrines laid out there. I find most explanations of TULIP to be rather negligent of important aspects of the doctrine, and going to Dort will gives you a much fuller picture of exactly what is being accepted and rejected. Plus, it is the version that actually has doctrinal authority in Calvinist churches. I think there is a lot of bad information out there, and all too many anti-Calvinists that seem to hate Calvin more than they love God and so don't mind misrepresenting it to make it seem as bad as possible. Reading their own confessions first hand will be a more balanced way of seeing for yourself what exactly is said that is good and bad.

Calvin didn't know anytime about tulip....

A pastor said “Calvinism back loads works” referring to the P (perseverance of the saints) of TULIP. Near the end of life of a Calvinist, he/she doesn’t have an assurance of salvation. What if he/she missed three Sunday church services? Saved or not?

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

Then that pastor doesn't understand Calvinism at all. Perseverance of the saints simple means that the person that God saves will persevere to the end. Has nothing to do with works of any kind. But please don't misunderstand, a true Christian will have works because you can't truly show your faith without them, as James says, but that has nothing to do with weather a person is saved or not. Works is just the evidence or salvation. Hope that helps.

@Landis_Grant

Жыл бұрын

@@DoctrinesOfGrace Explain that to John MacArthur! He used that example I just gave about missing three church services.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

@@Landis_Grant You must have misunderstood the example from him because he is very solid on Calvinism. If you have the reference I would like to see it.

@Landis_Grant

Жыл бұрын

@@DoctrinesOfGrace No misunderstanding. Johnny Mac is very stern about his congregants missing Sunday church services. I will search for that particular KZread video and provide the link.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

@@Landis_Grant A question one should ask is, who is the worker? In Calvinism, the one doing the persevering is God, not man. The one doing the work of salvation is God not man. In fact, the works man does are all sinful works he needs saving from. Chapter 17 of the Westminster Confession of Faith, titled _Of the Perseverance of the Saints_ is helpful here. It is three sections long, where the first 2 sections describe all the things God is doing for his people, and when it finally turns to man in the last section, its all the ways we grieve the Holy Spirit and fall into sin. The very next chapter speaks to assurance, which is rooted in the fact that salvation is all God's work and not at all based on something we bring to the table, and so we have a sure foundation for confidence in our salvation, God will finish what he started and God keeps his promises, he is not a liar. The moment you base salvation and the assurance on something man produces or does, no matter how small, no matter how much you tell yourself it's just 'accepting' or whatever, you lose confidence in salvation. What if later you reject the gift you once accepted? You turned away from sin, but what if you turn back to it? But once you realize that your only involvement in your salvation is providing the sin you need saving from, and the rest is solely up to the mercy and grace of God, who knows how deeply sinful you truly are and yet set his love on you anyway, all the more you will have true assurance of your inheritance in Christ.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to *all men* *Teaching us* that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, *in this present world* Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour *Jesus Christ* {Titus 2:11-12}

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@Larry Bedouin, Predestination for salvation and predestination for damnation is indeed biblically true, also Jesus died only for the elect is also biblically true...

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo You know not what spirit you're of.

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@@larrybedouin2921, I have the Spirit of Christ, how about you? What kind of spirit you have? Can you prove me wrong of what I said?

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@@larrybedouin2921, The grace of God that bringeth salvation appeared to all men, true.. But only the elect received it because Jesus died only for the elect...

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Thou shalt not take the name [character] of the LORD thy God in vain; *for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain* {Exodus 20:7}

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their own corruption!

"It didn't sit right..." - so, you were bothered by your feelings? If you've gone down the path of feelings and personal reasoning and logic, then can it be said that you are Not .... a biblicist?

So question on limited atonement. If Jesus' death and resurrection is the event by which we are saved, then why isn't everyone saved? What if no one ever "believed?" Would this act have been pointless? Why do we have to believe in order to make Jesus' death end resurrection worthwhile?

@kevink5866

Жыл бұрын

This is a GREAT question. One response is that in the end, everyone is actually saved. There’s a long tradition of belief in the restoration of all things within the church, and it seems to have been a majority position in the first few centuries. The idea is that Christ’s death and resurrection did indeed conquer Satan, Sin, and Death for the entire cosmos; faith is the beginning of the process of our recognizing Him as Savior, and being transformed from the inside out until we are truly like him, and become “partakers of the divine nature.” Salvation isn’t just justification, but includes sanctification. For some this process begins in this life, for the rest it happens post-mortem. This is the purpose of hell - it serves not just a punitive purpose, but a restorative purpose (and thus is also an expression of God’s love for his creatures). So the idea would be that, in a real sense, Christ’s death and resurrection has indeed saved everyone, we’re all just on our own unique timeline to awakening to this reality. That’s one possible answer. In my view (to tie it back to the Calvinism discussion), if one accepts Calvinism’s view of God’s sovereignty, but believes that God actually loves everyone and wants them to be saved, then universal restoration is the only coherent conclusion one could come to.

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

Jesus said "All manner of sin will be forgiven men, except for the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". So Jesus' atonement was limited to specific sins, not specific people (as the Calvinists argue). Jesus dies for all sins except for one sin. So if you reject the Holy Spirit (conviction of sin, righteousness and the judgement to come), then you are unsaved.

John 6:44 [44] No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

@5Solas1Truth

Жыл бұрын

In context, who is Jesus referring to?

@Jus4kiks

Жыл бұрын

God draws all, thru the cross, conviction of sin, the Bible etc… so simple

@sheilasmith7779

11 ай бұрын

The question is, what does "draw," mean?

@5Solas1Truth

11 ай бұрын

@@sheilasmith7779 Context. Jesus is talking to and about the Jews.

@sheilasmith7779

11 ай бұрын

@@5Solas1Truth didn't ask who, I asked to define "draws." Calvinist claim God does something to the person, before belief can happen. A direct action by God upon a person.... and use John 6: 44 as proof text. So I asked, define "draw." To draw is to attract. It is the message of Jesus that will draw people. Not all will be drawn. Many may be drawn, some will believe, others will walk away. Being drawn is NOT regeneration. That was my point in asking to define "draw."

John 6:65-66 [65] And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” [66] After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

That was disciples given by the father for a specific purpose prior to the cross. John 12:32 (KJV) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

@tricord2939

11 ай бұрын

@@bstein9500 “no one”

@tricord2939

11 ай бұрын

@@5Solas1Truth “no one”

@tricord2939

11 ай бұрын

@@bstein9500 John 17:6 [6] “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.

@tricord2939

11 ай бұрын

@@5Solas1Truth John 17:6 [6] “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.

He is denouncing man’s made teaching but creating his own. What makes him think he is better than Calvin, using the Bible only?

@truthseeker5698

10 ай бұрын

I’m sure he wouldn’t burn his opponents at the stake . Calvinism reformed theology are cults . Sola de youre a calvinist, sola de deceived.

How did calvin come to this notion? I'm convinced from the Holy Bible that Yahweh does both- He choooses (some of whom were failures) persons or community of people for leadership/service. In the Holy Bible there is 'also written' where we are given to choose. Free will !! Eg. Saul and David, besides there are many others. To Yahweh Elohim be all glory and praise!

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” What am I seeing that you are not !

You speak of people taken out of the game but being saved and you mention David… how was he saved when he lived before Christ?

When a righteous man *turneth away* from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall *he* die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away [repents] from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is *lawful* and right, *he* shall save his soul alive. {Ezekiel 18:26-27}

@itlupe

Жыл бұрын

You're mixing the law with the Grace of salvation. Jesus died to FULLFIL the law. It is completed. There is NOTHING we can do to be saved except "...confess with your lips Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart He was resurrected from the dead you will be saved." Our spirit/soul is saved when we are born again. Our flesh will sin to the grave our spirit CANNOT sin (1 John 3:9)

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

@@itlupe Nonsense! Has a person born again lost their freewill? Has this corruption put on incorruption? Has temptation (the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,) been removed from us? No! Now of the things which we have spoken this is *the sum* We have such an high priest, (of the order of Melchizedek; chapter 7) who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty *in the heavens* A minister of *the sanctuary* and of the true tabernacle, *which the Lord pitched and not man* For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. (His life; "no greater love"...) For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests [Levitical] that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and *shadow* of *heavenly things* as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make *the tabernacle* for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also *he* is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For *finding fault with them* he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; *I will put my laws* into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: {Hebrews 8:1-10} (Jer 31:31-33)

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

@@itlupe For Christ is the end [objective] of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. {Romans 10:4} That the righteousness of the law *might be fulfilled in us* who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but *they that are after the Spirit* the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but *to be spiritually minded is life and peace* Because *the carnal mind is enmity against God* for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. {Romans 8:4-7} I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then *with the mind I myself serve the law of God* but with the flesh the law of sin. {Romans 7:25} Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or *of obedience* unto righteousness? {Romans 6:16}

Luke 6:41 “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?” JESUS is the only thing that matters !

An alternate perspective of the "P" Perseverance of the Saints is that the Elect will persevere and be saved because they are the Elect, and God will see to it that they persevere, a bizarre doctrine.

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@Jopa, the original meaning of 'P' is Preservation of the saints which means the elect will never lost his salvation, and it is biblically true...

@otracuentaperra4290

Жыл бұрын

YUP ! Modern Christianity has trouble understanding that God preserves His people as it's main pillar is that man manipulates God into saving him.

@jopa8960

Жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo you are correct. Those who put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ will not lose their salvation. However those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness will be judged.

Believe is Not a work , it is Jesus gift along with Justification Sanctification and later, at His second coming,Glorification, all is from God through the Holy Spirit in us. Thank you Lord!

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

100% Agree, but the reason a person believes is because they are one of the elect, chosen, predestined, ordained, etc... (picked the word you like since they are all biblical) before the foundation of the world.

@JD-yq3dd

Жыл бұрын

​@@DoctrinesOfGraceI think you are using those words to fit the 'doctrines of grace' They need to be defined in context of Scripture.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

@@JD-yq3dd Of coarse but to go through each scripture's context would be a big post that 99.9% of people won't read. So trying to keep it simple here to show how the strawman is being constructed.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

Disagree, belief is a work. But whose work is it? People for some reason tend to forget that salvation has two parties, man and God. Jn 6: 29 - "This is *the work of God,* that _you believe_ in him whom he has sent." Something can be a work in salvation and not be man's work.

@fredmiller6166

Ай бұрын

​@@DoctrinesOfGracethat is not in the scriptures, sorry.

I am absolutely astonished that you can read John 1:12 (let alone leave out verse 13) and think that it shows that regeneration is the result of faith, and that it helps refute Calvinism. “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:12-13). All you’ve done here is proof text. There is no exegesis here, there is no attempt to walk through some texts. You are doing exactly what you accuse Calvinists of doing.

When a SYSTEM tells you over and over again, "I know that's what it says, but that's not what it means"............RUN AWAY. 2nd Peter 3:16 puts it all in its place.

Mostly helpful! There seemed to be a blending of the different aspects of TULIP, however. Your definitions weren't aligned well with the various letters/terminology. BUT I am glad you are presenting information that helps others see the problems with this strange teaching!

The flaw of this, the flaw of that. There is only one true way to God and that’s through Jesus Christ, not the way of men. Just preach the Bible and stay away of trying to explain what another is believing in. The word of God speaks for itself without other personal opinions. Preach the word, in and out of season

I suppose this argumentation works with those inside the echo chamber. For those of us outside, that test our beliefs, this was abysmal. I can't even take guys like this seriously.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

A prime example of deflection and projection Todd. Thank you for this teachable response.

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

Yet every Calvinist eventually gets to 'it's essentially a mystery that we won't understand until we're in heaven'. I've heard John MacArthur say this nearly verbatim.

@toddcote4904

Жыл бұрын

@bstein9500 I don't think it's that mysterious, really.

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

@@toddcote4904 Well, that should settle it then.

33:59 Neither Peter nor Paul. It's Stephen.

I don't want to be uncharitable but you have no understanding of calvanism and while you criticise calvanism as a philosophy read into the bible all you have done here is read your philosophy into it yourself! You start with the admission that it doesn't feel right so it can't be true? Please consider that from Martin Luther to John Calvin all the Reformers, reading the original Greek universally held to what is now called calvanism and on this doctrine left the false view of salvation held by the Roman Church. Do you really feel so confident that all the Reformers got it wrong and still consider yourself a Protestant? My humble advise is go back to register to RC Sproul. Calvanism is a hard doctrine but it is truth. God bless.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

Paul , cult line 101…… you don’t understand calvinism …..and no Paul, it’s not truth , Jesus the Messiah testifies to truth and desires all to come to repentance . What’s it like having your cult finally exposed like never before Paul?

@Archie0902

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker5698 I see you are seeking the truth. Good. Let's converse on the matter to find truth on scripture. The reformation was a move of God. Don't turn your back on the truth revealed by the Reformers.

@CmRoddy

Жыл бұрын

@@Archie0902 Paul, I’ve seen TruthSeeker here on other anti-Calvinism KZread channels and videos and he has zero interest in having an honesty conversation with people. He straw-mans like crazy and refuses to accept correction. Don’t waste your precious time going back and forth with him. I’ve done it and I wish I could get that time back.

Ear scratcher...thx

His initial premise for "why God chooses who he chooses" is a severe misrepresentation of Calvinism.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

calvinism reformed theologies are severe misrepresentations of Christianity.

@amberbedford7619

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think he’s ever actually talked to a Calvinist… so much of what he stated was so wrong.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

@@amberbedford7619 cult responses 101 Amber…… what’s next , he doesn’t understand , sola de reformed ridiculousness Amber.

Because a Calvinist doesn’t know whether he is truly saved, how could this pastor say that RC Sproul is in Heaven? Sproul’s believed that water baptism is mandatory for salvation which isn’t correct.

Wow...what a waste of 43 mins of my life. Yeah, I won't be watching part 2. Read Foundations of Grace by Steven Lawson. The doctrines of grace are throughout the Word of God. You can "reject" these truths all you want. Doesn't make your belief or non-belief in what the Bible says, true.

@fredmiller6166

Ай бұрын

I am a believer in Christ for salvation, but im apparently sovereignly determined to NOT accept the Calvinistic version of so-called predestination th heaven or hell.

Ephesians 1:4 “According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:” If we were chosen from before the foundation of the world then we obviously Have no say in the matter! Seems plain enough !

@saludanite

Жыл бұрын

If you read the scriptures "from the Beginning," then you know already that God chose Abraham first. Same syllogism applies, but He DID choose Abraham - inside of time - BEFORE He chose the Gentiles. Paul explains this VERY CLEARLY in Romans 11; the Root and the Branches. Both the RCC AND the Reformed/Protestant Churches ignore this from their very inception. WE Gentiles were "adopted." Holiness is the aim, not the "choosing."

@savedbygrace8337

Жыл бұрын

@@saludanite there is no chronological Choosing. GOD doesn’t do things one at a time! Putting a time limit on GOD ALMIGHTY is foolishness. Ephesians 1:4 “According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:” If you are chosen then you are chosen. GOD has different people chosen for different tasks,at different times but all GOD’S chosen have a purpose in GOD’S Overall Grand plan. GOD chose Abraham first because he was Alive first.he chose me now because I am Alive now.

@savedbygrace8337

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@@saludanite Proverbs 16:25 “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

@savedbygrace8337

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@@saludaniteif IRead the scriptures from the beginning ? Your condescension is a tell on your pseudo Superiority complex.

@saludanite

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@@savedbygrace8337 Is there REALLY a punctuation mark in the Greek that places a COMMA after the words "foundation of the world?" Because WITHOUT THAT GREEK "COMMA," the entire meaning of the verse changes from "chose us" - as the REAL purpose - to He chose us with the INTENT "to be holy and without blame." It's a question of language rules. One way reads "He chose US" while the other emphasizes His desire for us to be "holy and blameless." Now, in each case, the choice was truly made "before the foundation of the world." So, it is important to be SURE what the clause is really saying. If it is YOUR reading of the verse, then it matters NOT whether we are holy and blameless - because we are simply "chosen," regardless of what our lives reflect - God's "choosing" trumps the actual way we live our lives - we are "chosen" regardless! Our lives don't require "holiness," because God has over-ruled any acts of sin. If however it is not YOUR reading, then it says that God specifically is saying that He wants us to live holy and blameless lives. Only an EXPERT in Greek can distinguish between the intent of the phrases, and only a Greek expert can authoritatively make that language distinction. But LITERALLY EVERYTHING rides on the correct reading.

John 6:44-47 [44] “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. [45] It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me-[46] not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. [47] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” Who believes, everyone that hears from God, drawn. Who is raised? Those who believe.

To say that there is no biblical support for the 5 points is disingenuous. At least be honest and bring up, and refute calvanist proof texts. But don't act like they don't exist. Jeremiah 10:23-24 (ESV): I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps. 24 Correct me, O Lord, but in justice; not in your anger, lest you bring me to nothing. How can we trust promises like philipians 1:6 Philippians 1:6 (ESV): And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ And so on and so forth. I know time is a constraint. But most good old theologians will go over their opponents proof texts and rebut them. Even Paul did Romans 9:19-21 (ESV): You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

There is a distinction beteen having the capacity to control absolutely everything, than choosing to do. If you read the bible without any theological presuppositions you will read a narrative where the one who could determine everything chooses no to and allows the persons who were created in his image and likeness to exercise there wills and impact the outcome events. The ongoing narrative of the old testament is choose this course of action and there is this consequence choose otherwise and there is another outcome. People who do not believe in determinism do not do so because the bible does not teach it. That which is referred to as calvinism is a framework of thinking which is used to view the bible like distorting spectatcles. Of course if everyone in your community wears the same spectacles and anyone who does not wear the spectacles is portrayed morally flawed you will not be able to see. When I did philosphy at university itvwas clear materialistic determinism rendered moral choice redundant and the God determinined all is no differennt. I would suggest Theistic determinism renders the biblical declaration that God made man in His image and likeness false because it takes from man any self-determining capicity which is an essential part of the nature of God Blessing Lance

@TheRomans9Guy

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Excellent post

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@Lance Redman, I agree with you about determinism, but I agree with Calvinist about election and predestination.. Predestination for salvation and predestination for damnation is indeed biblically true, also Jesus died only for the elect is also biblically true...

If you look at this closely, the headwaters of TULIP is the Augustinian belief in original sin that is actually original guilt. If everyone is born guilty of Adam's sin then total depravity/moral inability naturally follows, which leads to the rest of the systematic.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

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Somewhat Correct but don't like that you attribute this as "the Augustinian belief". How about more accurately label as "the Biblical belief"... Rom 3:10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Rom 3:13 “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” Rom 3:14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” Rom 3:15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; Rom 3:16 in their paths are ruin and misery, Rom 3:17 and the way of peace they have not known.” Rom 3:18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Rom_3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

@ericedwards8902

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@@DoctrinesOfGrace no, Augustinian belief fits it better. I know that you believe that you are being biblical in what you believe and I respectfully disagree with you. I see your proof texts but notice that you start at verse 10 and end at verse 18, which destroys the context of the passage. If you start in verse 1 you see that Paul is talking to the Israelites who think they're better than the Gentiles because they have the law and circumcision. In verse 9 Paul introduces the section you quoted by saying that all men are under sin, then in verse 19-20 he explains the Law speaks and holds accountable those under the Law and "...by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin." In verses 21-31 Paul pivots and teaches justification through faith to all who believe in Jesus. Context matters and I contend that you took the passage out of its proper context to make your point (to be clear, I am not accusing you of intentionally misusing Scripture). While I wholeheartedly agree that as a result of the fall mankind has inherited a world full of sin and nature bent towards sin. I just don't see anything in Scripture that says that mankind is born guilty of the sins of Adam, especially in light of numerous Scriptures that make clear that we stand condemned because of our sins not the sins of others. The idea that we are guilty of the sins of Adam was not found in the early church before Augustine and flies in the face of both church history and, most importantly the witness of the Bible itself.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

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​@@ericedwards8902 I don't believe I (Augustine or Calvin) have taken anything out of context. You said it yourself but then deny what verse 9 tells us that the rest of the verse apply to everyone, Jew and Greeks alike. So how does that, as you put it "destroys the context of the passage"? And if those verses apply to everyone then how can you say we aren't born sinners??? That is very very confusing how your logic adds up here. As for Augustine, He never said people are sinners because they ate the fruit in the garden. He said that we are sinners because we come from Adam, meaning we are not held responsible for Adam's sins, we are held responsible for our own sins, but because we have inherited our sin nature from Adam, we are guaranteed to sin and thus as Paul says "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God." or as Calvinist say, Total Depravity... And it didn't start with Augustine as you claim. It was just made famous because he was auguring with Pelagius about it what scripture says. It's not an if then else statement that Paul, or Augustine, or Calvin, etc... are making. You are a sinner from birth because you are from Adam and thus you cannot choose God until He choses you first. Show me any example from the Bible where a person or group of people was saved that God didn't chose them first and before you spit out the Philippian jailer, read the account in detail. Predestination is literally all over the Bible and yet most people reject it. I rejected it too for 25 years going to Southern Baptist churches where there was only topical preaching, preaching against what we thought others believed as is being done here, doing all the "Christian" activities, and claiming to be Christians the entire time. It wasn't until I was challenged in what I believed that I actually started studying God's Word in depth. Don't get me wrong, we read the Bible, rarely missed a Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night service, I preached on several occasions, taught a Sunday school class, went on mission trips and yet we were only religious and Christian in name only. You know, having a form of Godliness but having a different Christ, different Gospel, and a different Spirit like what Paul speaks about in 2 Cor. 11. Then God intervened and I became a true born again Christian. Can't shut up about the gospel, witness to anyone that listen for two minutes and try to bring glory to God in everything even though I fail constantly...

@ericedwards8902

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@@DoctrinesOfGrace look, you seem firmly wedded to your Augustinian-Calvinist belief system and I believe that nothing I can say or do will persuade you to look at the world any differently. No matter what I say you are going to believe that the proof texts you have been taught and/or embraced teach Augustinian-Calvinist doctrines. With that knowledge I am going to disengage from this interaction. You, of course are free to believe as you will and I will leave you to that. As long as you believe in the risen Christ, Son of the Living God that's what matters. I just don't have the energy right now to engage in an extended back and forth with you on this. Grace and peace.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

@@ericedwards8902 I agree but know this: any view that puts man in the driver seat of anything, salvation included, robs God of His glory and that is where most of the world is today especially Christendom. And please don't ignore the challenge to find any example in God's Word where a person or group of people was saved that God didn't chose them first.

How is it possible for Calvinist to go to Heaven when they are teaching false doctrine. A lot of people have been hurt by Calvinism.

@peterfox7663

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The same way anyone does - believing in Christ

@eiontactics9056

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Calvinism can't save anyone. If someone only ever believed in Calvinism, they are not saved. Calvinism preaches a false Jesus, God and Gospel.

@jopa8960

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@@peterfox7663 Thank you. However the founder, John Calvin, killed a man because he didn't agree with his interpretation of the bible. John 13:35 King James Version By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

@a.k.7840

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@@peterfox7663 this video got recommended to you too?

@peterfox7663

Жыл бұрын

@@a.k.7840 Sure did!

So this teacher is teaching against many prominent teachers like Voddie B. .John Mac. RC sproul. Paul wash . james mcclarty . and many other calvanists. Thats brave😮

@JD-yq3dd

Жыл бұрын

What's brave? Are you inferring that the men you listed are infallible? I thought the Bible had the final authority.

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

Not brave. He's not following men. He's expounding scripture. You are following men and the traditions of men .

@5Solas1Truth

Жыл бұрын

I forgot they are infallible?

Calvinism philosophy (because of the lack of theology) is NOT for the poor, the needy and the non-intellectual. I'm one them, so the Gospel is simple for me - as it should be!

No open Bible! WHERE IS AN OPEN BIBLE ?

Yeah but god saved mcaurthers son. So that is evidence that he has been right in his Theology all this time.

The Jews will be saved the same way that everybody else, by accepting Christ as the Son of God and our Savior, nothing different or special!

Right from the beginning, this Pastor made evident that He doesn't understand the Reformed Doctrine. "God does the believing for you?" Scripture never even alludes to that. Do you actually believe that our Almighty Creator doesn't have the Right and privilege to do what He wants with His own Creation? Total depravity: 1st Corinthians 2:14. Man, of His own volition CAN NOT understand matters of the Spirit, so how can He choose Salvation if doesn't understand anything about it. Jesus Himself said "Let the Dead bury the Dead." Carnal Man is Spiritually Dead and Be can't regenerate himself. Jesus told His disciple to remember, I chose you, you did NOT choose me." ( John 15:16). Man can't even Repent with out it first be "Granted"by God. ( 2nd Timothy 2:25 ) Jesus said that " No one comes to the Son that has not been DRAWN by The Father (John 6:44-51) The Greek definition of Drawn in this verse literally mean " Dragged". The truth is, that if you HAVE been Saved, it's ONLY because you were chosen by God before the foundation of the World (Ephesians 1:4) Sealed by the Holy Spirit when you believed ( Ephesians 1:13) guaranteeing your inheritance from God. Why would God do this? Romans 9: 22-23 gives you the answer and it's no secret, it's been in Scripture for all to read as God has not hidden anything. God does what He does to bring Glory to Himself and in any way He wants, whether you like it or not! If you think GOD doesn't choose to Save some and not others, what do you think the Flood that Saved Noah and his family was all about. Look How many were killed in the Flood. Look how many have been killed so that God's Election would come to be. How many have been killed or Saved in the Old Testament for the purpose of God bringing Glory to Himself. Who killed them all? Who brought all this Death yet let others live safely through it all. God's Sovereign choice to make from the Same batch of Clay some to be Objects of His wrath and some to be objects of His Mercy has been proven from Genesis to Revelation. Who are you to say what is fair or not about the decisions of Almighty GOD! Who are you to council the God of the Universe? If you HAVE been Saved you should fall on your Face and thank GOD with every fiber of your body for deciding to Choose to Save People like you and Me! He didn't Have to, He chose to! Let GOD be GOD and stop trying to make HIM any different. GOD Is Righteous so all His decisions are Righteous whether you agree or not. Yes I'm what you call a Calvinist.

@truthseeker5698

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Lord have mercy, another "your misrepresent/don't understand reformed calvinist cult line....." You've been CALVINWINKED by one of the satans great works.......choose wisely.

@alisonfrompalmdale9930

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Does God have the ability to do whatever He wants? Of Course! However, He cannot do anything that violates His Divine character. God cannot lie, for example. God has the power and choice to not save anyone. Can He save who He wants and condemn who He wants? Absolutely. No one is arguing against God's power or Sovereignty. The question remains: what, overall, is The Bible teaching us about salvation? Is God drawing us to Christ? Yes - all the time and in many ways. But some will sadly slap away God's Hand of love. Those of us who believe have definitely been drawn by God. The verses you cite above are cherry picked and out of context. 2nd Timothy, for example, is speaking about people who are already believers, but have wandered into some poor doctrine. Paul is simply praying that these Christians would be moved by God into a change of mind about essential doctrine. It has nothing to do with actually getting saved. Why are you conflating the idea of people dying in this life - and why God allows some to live and some to die - with eternal life. Saved people die, too. It has nothing to do with God predestining some for Heaven and some for Hell. Once again, can God work it that way? Yes. But has He? No. Where do you get that the speaker is counseling God? The table could just as easily be turned on you. One could say, "who are you to say that God can't do what He wants?" "What if God decides to send His only begotten Son to die for the sins of the world and that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life; who do you think you are changing God's mind for Him?" "What if God says that He wants none to perish but for all to come to saving faith; who are you to say that God shouldn't allow that to run its course?" Those arguments get us nowhere. Have you forgotten Jesus weeping over Jerusalem because they were not willing to receive Him? That presupposes they had the ability to understand God's existence, His Revelation, and His Promises. We are dead in our sins, yes, but there are too many verses in Scripture where God expects unbelievers to get it. Why criticize and labor on about people suppressing the truth of God. That means the knowledge of Him is there, but that a choice exists of whether to believe or rebel. The bottom line is that Scripture does not teach that God selected some amongst the totally depraved and regenerated them with irresistible grace so that they could believe in a Savior who died only for them. If God actually taught that, I would be onboard, but the breadth of Scripture says otherwise.

@randym.7238

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@@alisonfrompalmdale9930 Thank you for your comment. When I cited 2nd Timothy 2:25, I was referring to Man 's inability to Repent without God's permission, whether it be Believers or unrepentant Sinners, that no one can repent or their Sins without God having granted it. Timothy is about personal repentance, Acts 11:18 refers to repentance of Gentiles in General. Either way, Scripture proves that Man cannot repent and be saved by and of their own volition by exercising there Perceived "Free Will." Ephesians 2: 8-9 proves that Even Faith in Jesus is not from Man's rational but it's is the GIFT of God. It's explained again in Romans 12: 3. So you see that Scripture proves that Man can do nothing to Save Himself without the choice of God to give Him a small measure of Faith and the ability repent and be Saved. Man's so called "Free Will choice" doesn't Save him, it's the by the Will and power of God that He is Saved. You said that yes, GOD can chose who he Saves and who he doesn't, but Has He? The answer is clear as Glass that He does. One can't predestined oneself to Election. Only God can do that 1000 years in advance, in fact Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 1 that God did this "before the foundation of the World!" You can't name one person that wanted to be Saved that God Hasn't Saved. Once The Holy Spirit regenerates one's dead Spirit and opens their Mind to Really understand who they are and their relation to a Righteous God and Judge, they run to the Cross to be Save with open eyes and full gratitude and love, not as some "Mindless Robot" with no Will of their own, but freely and clinging to the Cross and Jesus Himself. This is something that the Carnal Man would never do and could never make happen without first Having been chosen, brought to the Cross and washed Clean by the Blood of Jesus and Saved by God the Father, Jesus the Son and power of the Holy Spirit. The Jews rejected Jesus because God had placed a " Stumbling block before them, and that would be Jesus Himself. All this was orchestrated By our Almighty God. Why? Because by Redeeming Men to Himself, HE has Brought GLORY to Himself in this manner. God created Men and women for HIS purposes, not ours. It's always been about Him and HIS Glory, not ours. Knowing all this, it is well with my Soul. I can do nothing else but Thank God for His Mercy and Grace to choose to Save some one like me, and promote Gods Total Sovereignty as long as I Live. I hope you see it too.

Debate James White !!!

Oops,left out spurgeon!!

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

Well, if your a Calvinist, it doesn't matter. You were pre ordained to forget to put him in the list.

This is what Calvin Taught. There Is an ALL Knowing Triune God and Creator of all things Who never began and has no end. A God Who all His thoughts are eternal and never began. So it is the same if you say God always knew or we are born with our destination determent. Our Lord God never began to Predestinate Because God has No begin, and so does predestination not have a begin. There is no difference if you say we have a Free-Will or we don’t. We certainly are guilty if we do not respond to the gospel. God always knew the end of all things. God knows every insect on the planet, from begin to end when it is born and when it dies from all ages, and certainly all calamities like wars and nature disasters are in God’s Hand. Remember God Flooded the earth and 5 billion people died. There were Giants on the earth, and men had become very evil. Creation was not finished on day six but it will be finished when the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. There then will be no distance between heaven and earth. All thing during the time in between are for that ONE reason and that only. It will be the most PERFECT PLAN you cannot even begin to imagine. The opposite of Heaven is to make Heaven more Glorious. You cannot have a Beauty contest if al women are equally beautiful. We will know that Our Lord has set us apart and chose us and that we did not chose Him. Revelations 21: “Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea”. The Heaven and the earth will be together as you can see John saw them together No sea means no separation. Sea was all John could see all around him. This as you study what you obviously have not done, you will see that this is what Calvin and the reformation did; not by the wisdom of men but by the wisdom of Our Lord So bashing it will not only not make sense but goes against the will of God and is sin. THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120) He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few. Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men. What about 70 M Buddhist in Thailand. 95% of the population of Thailand are Buddists and 4.5% Islam. Do they have a freewill to accept the Gospel? Did God give them a free will The children born in Thailand will grow up being Buddhist. For any to ever get out of it, there is a powerful miracle needed of a work of the Holy Spirit. NOT A CHOICE

With Calvinism...one believes because one is already saved and one does not believe because one is already condemned. I guess that's one way of interpreting the "Good News"...

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

Ouch. Exacting, but ouch.

@jameswatkins101

Жыл бұрын

John 3:18 would agree with your statement, even if you disagree with it.

@davidallin6909

Жыл бұрын

Not if you read the the entire verse...They are condemned " BECAUSE he hath not believed..."@@jameswatkins101

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

@@davidallin6909 _"Not if you read the the entire verse...They are condemned " BECAUSE he hath not believed...""_ Not if you read the entire verse: they are *already* condemned. Not "will be condemned in the future if they continue in their unbelief." Their condemnation is a present reality here and now, not just some far off future.

@davidallin6909

11 ай бұрын

@@oracleoftroy I think the verse is pretty clear as to the REASON for the condemnation...

Calvinism bumper sticker: Jesus may have died on the cross for you !

I appreciate the tone of you presentation but I'm afraid you have never understood, to this day, the doctrines of grace. In short, the flawed philosophy is your's, not Calvinism.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

…… another you don’t understand …….. Lord have mercy.

It would help if he had a clue what he was talking about……..

Where do aborted babies go if they cant choose Jesus?

One of the worst anti-Calvinist arguments i have ever heard.

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

One of the best anti-Calvinist arguments I've heard is Jesus saying "You, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children". So Total Depravity is unbiblical. We are morally bankrupt, yes, but we do know good from evil. And Jesus goes on to plead with us, to reason with us, and expects all people to come to him. Calvinism fell apart long before it was "instituted".

@daviddonovan3282

Жыл бұрын

@sbgtrading but you can't give salvation and grace to yourself. you can't choose to be spiritually reborn. you didn't draw yourself to the Father, gift yourself to the Son, make yourself a friend of God, stop being an enemy of God. you didn't stop loving sin on your own. you didn't make yourself alive. you didn't set yourself free from bondage to sin. you didn't change your heart of stone and give yourself a heart of flesh. you didn't regenerate yourself. you didn't do any of these things, so how did you choose salvation in your own autonomous or libertarian free will?

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

@@daviddonovan3282 How did I choose to repent of my unbelief? I don't know, but Jesus did call me to do that. You offered me a list of things that I didn't do...and you're right. I didn't give salvation or grace to myself...etc. But what I did do is I repented of my unbelief, by the preaching of the word and by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. That is how it happened, and it's biblical. I did the work of God...as Jesus describes in John 6:29. "The work that God requires is this, that you believe in the one he has sent." Everything else you mention was given to me by God.

@daviddonovan3282

Жыл бұрын

@sbgtrading right, and so knowing that the ability to believe was also given to you and me by God and it is our responsibility to answer to the Gospel, that is exactly what Calvinism teaches. everything in salvation is the sovereign work of God alone, and we respond to that call to salvation based on what God has done in us. that is why one man can hear the Gospel and reject it, while another next to him will hear and be broken in their sin, and respond rightly. it is a work of God alone.

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

@@daviddonovan3282 Correct me if I'm wrong...but total depravity interprets "dead in sin" as meaning I cannot respond/believe unless God makes me alive first...giving me a special spiritual gift, one which he does not give many others, namely "the damned". Do I have that right? I argue God has given us all a natural gift, an ability to hear, an ability to think, an ability to reach for a life-raft when you realize you are going to drown. God has given us all a conscience, a body, a mind, an ability to think and reason, an ability to metabolize foods, procreate, etc. So I think the question is this ability to respond to God's invitation...is it a natural ability given to all people, or is it a special spiritual gift given only to a few, the few who cannot avoid using it. Why would Jesus teach us that "Though you are evil, you know how to give good gifts to your children"? Evil means morally bankrupt, but Calvin claimed it was somehow unable to respond at all to the preaching of the gospel.

Calvinism is an anti-gospel.

Ro1 is not talking about God's special revelation, but His general revelation. It means everyone knows God exist in their consciousness. That's why there are so many religions in this world. Those people who know the Lord specifically are the one who God revealed. So In Ro3 Paul mentions Abraham who God chose and revealed His will. The preacher misunderstand between General and especial revelation of God. Only the elect will be saved. God loved Jacob, but hated Esau.

@eswn1816

Жыл бұрын

Election is NOT about salvation. It's about service of those who already Believe. This and "predestination" are basic two of the many errors of Calvinism. 🙏

@eswn1816

Жыл бұрын

"God loved Jacob and hated Essay.. " What does that mean? "Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls-she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8), how could He hate anyone? When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36). So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose."

Maybe this would have been better titled, “Flawed Philosophies about Calvinism”…every time I happen to listen to a preacher that does not believe in the sovereignty of God concerning salvation, I am strengthened in my convictions about it. Very one dimensional explanations & views of those who oppose what you hold to. God bless!

@truthseeker5698

10 ай бұрын

Cult banter response 101. Do better , if you’re willing.

😊liberal theology....101

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

I would argue it's conservative. It was Calvin who came along, 1500 yrs after Paul, and introduce his theology. So Calvin was the progressive.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

@@sbgtrading Then what do you do with documents like the Canon of Orange, over 1000 years before Calvin's birth, that affirm at least 4 of the 5 points? No, the Reformers were very keen to show they weren't inventing new doctrine, but that their ideas had a place in the history of the church.

@sbgtrading

11 ай бұрын

@@oracleoftroy Thanks for that info...I did not mean to skip over Augustine's theology, or that of the 6th century. I understand Calvin didn't pull his theology out of thin air. So my apologies if my post mislead you that way. But in the end, Orange did not support irresistible grace...which is important in Calvin's system. And ultimately, it really doesn't matter what Augustine said, or what the Council of Orange pronounced. We need to go back to the Bible, Jesus' words, Paul's summaries, etc, and get our theology long before the heretics of the 500's started writing.

Not to be ungracious but your understanding of Calvanism is extremely poor.

@truthseeker5698

10 ай бұрын

What doesn’t he understand Jim ?

Preach it brother!!!! Calvinism is NOT Biblical it is men made doctrine.

@kukpaulchoi

Жыл бұрын

He already said it is in the Scriptures. But some men systemized it.

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

​@@kukpaulchoi No! It is esigesis.

@walnoemispoyt5604

Жыл бұрын

Calvinism is biblical but I do agree that the system is wrong in that it makes God the cause of evil. The only path for the Christian is to be a compatiblist because it affirms both free will and predetermination. However I lean more towards the free will camp over the hard determinism camp.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

@@walnoemispoyt5604 I see your reasoning but the problem is that by Allowing evil, that ultimately makes God the cause. Meaning God could have stopped or never allowed evil to begin with but that was not His plan and purpose. I believe 100% in man's free will, but if you think man has the free will to choose God, then you don't understand what free will is biblical.

@walnoemispoyt5604

Жыл бұрын

@@DoctrinesOfGrace In order to make disciples of all nations humanity needs to have an accepted universal understanding of the terms predetermination, preordination, foreknowledge and free will. In the times of Saint Augustine and before the following has always been understood: 1) Free will is the ability to choose between different choices. 2) Predetermination is the term used to explain that the future is locked in a particular scenario and that it cannot be changed. 3) Foreknowledge is the term used to explain that a cognitive agent has knowledge of the future. You can go to the muslims, atheists, buddhists, agnostics and any other group and they will agree with the definitions that I have provided. It is only the Calvinists who are using terms that are foreign to the rest of the world. For instance free will in a calvinistic framework is not what I have provided but instead uses the term self-determinism and explains that free will is the ability that the cognitive agent is able to do anything they like but only God truly has free will because he is also all powerful to be able to actually do anything because God has no limits. The Calvinists are not wrong but rather it is just an inappropriate definition to use in the particular context when teaching other Christians who are not strong in their theology and doctrine or for proper debate among other religions and academics. A very important thing to note is that without free will you cannot fulfil The Greatest Commandment. In a predeterministic perspective you cannot have love because even you also believe that love is a choice. The only other people who would disagree are people in the LGBTQ community who believe that love is not a choice. Without free will really the bible is no longer coherent because God would have predetermined some for damnation and some for salvation. This also means that evangelism is pointless because no matter how many times I would spread the gospel they cannot come to God if God has not sent the spirit of regeneration to them. The Institutes of the Christian Religion is a well written book but not a convincing book when it comes to the topic of predetermination and free will. One more thing to note is that you might want to be careful when you use the word biblical because misuses of the term creates misunderstandings. The bible does affirm both free will and predetermination as there are passages that can prove the assertion. Biblical should only be used to explain that your view/position aligns with passages in the bible not to explain that "I am right and you are wrong objectively." The dissonance between calvinists and other people is the interpretation of the bible not the exegesis.

Ive never heared you before i only know that iam.a beleiver in the lord jesus iam.a god fearing woman who loves jesus he saved me by his grace i listen to john m but you touched on something does god love me more than you when what im trying to say is fidint jesus come to serk and save that which are lost sometimes i get confused pls help me because iam.saved and love jesus and only want to please the lord my name is elaine i.listen to john MacArthur and have great respect for him but i feel he makes the gospel frightening god bless you sir pls pray for me

@alisonfrompalmdale9930

Жыл бұрын

Elaine, based on what you've stated above, you are a believer in Jesus Christ and are eternally secure and going to Heaven. Don't let anyone make you think otherwise. God wants us to know and be assured we are saved (1st John 5:13). After we are saved, we cannot lose that, but because of that salvation, we should grow in Christ, be obedient, and serve God in whatever way He has carved out for us. Seek Him through prayer, the Bible, and trusted brothers and sisters in Christ. This will help you determine how best to use the spiritual gifts God has given you. I'm sure a lot of people will be praying for you.

I guess man is sovereign....

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

God has chosen to send men to hell for disbelief. That's sovereignty. God has chosen to bless man and bring them into the adoption of sins by the decision to save men by his grace through their faith. It was God's sovereign will to determine that method and prices as well. It is you that would make God's sovereignty bondage to man allowing then no freedom to choos. The freedom to choose, God designed in his free will and sovereignty. Joshua 24:15 (KJV) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;

Dang I wish I was at this church!

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

You must like false doctrine and mischaracterize stories of what others believe???

@bstein9500

Жыл бұрын

​@@DoctrinesOfGraceif you think that's a mischaracterisation, you don't know the teachings of Calvinism.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

@@bstein9500 Please explain what your version of Calvinism is? Because it's not in this video.

Hi. I'm a Calvinist and I think I might be of the elect but I'm unsure if I'm going to heaven or hell. If you will give me 20 minutes of your time, I can show you how to be unsure too. That would at least be honest.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

I mean not really. We root our hope in the work and promises of God, who is true and sure to finish what he started. Yes, an individual might still have doubts, but such is a solid foundation for true assurance, rather than placing our faith in our own ability to initiate and keep faith without falling short.

@bstein9500

11 ай бұрын

@@oracleoftroy What if you're fooling yourself. What if you're not of the elect and you do not persevere. It follows then that your regeneration prior to belief did not in fact take place and you are yet in your sins.

Preach it brother...great teaching

Thank you for this sermon on Calvinism. It is the perfect sermon to create Calvinists because you butcher the definitions of what is actually believed and taught in that school of thought. When people understand what is truly taught in Calvinism they will realize that everything you said was wrong and a caricature and strawman of what Calvinists believe. In doing so, they will study what is actually believed by Calvinists and be persuaded. So thank you for this.

@itlupe

Жыл бұрын

It is amazing how Calvinist will turn ANYTHING to fit their narrative. This guys is RIGHT ON. You should do a bit more research. What this guy is teaching is EXACTLY what Calvin followers teach. There are MANY EX-Calvinists that have left that cult and now follow Jesus the Christ and His word.

@increasedecrease7933

Жыл бұрын

@@itlupe Sorry to inform you brother, but I've subscribed to the reformed line of teaching for 40+ years. I've done all the research. This is not Calvinism. This is a straw man. You might want to hear the arguments from an actual Calvinist.

@tobylogsdon2400

Жыл бұрын

@@itlupe I once denied the doctrines of grace, and was taught all the "evils of Calvinism" in seminary. Eventually, I started listening to guys like RC Sproul, and I came to realize that Calvinism had been severely misrepresented by my professors in seminary. @increasedecrease7933 is right on the money here...this isn't Calvinism. This is the same kind of misrepresentation that I was taught, but it is absolutely not Calvinism being addressed and "refuted" in this video.

@itlupe

Жыл бұрын

@@tobylogsdon2400 I don't deny the doctrine of Grace I deny Calvin's distortion of it. The Bible is VERY clear on that. John 3:16 explains it QUITE clearly. All, anyone, anybody that believes on Him (Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life. Not s select few but ANYONE. The little word 'pas' is ignored by followers of Calvin or distorted to fit their narrative. Eh 1:13 lays it out: you heard the word, believed and THEN indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Lastly: If God picked those that would be saved then Jesus died for nothing. I know the logic escapes you but when in a cult it is hard to see the truth.

@DoctrinesOfGrace

Жыл бұрын

@@itlupe "If God picked those that would be saved then Jesus died for nothing", that has to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard slug against Calvinism. This is not logic, this is just striking out because your understanding of God's Word doesn't fit what you think Calvinist believe. Calvinist logic is much more sound than what you are saying. Jesus died for those that believe and repent, and those that don't believe are condemned already. Come on, use your head for something other than a hat rack...

Calvinism is straight from the pits of Hell

@detached

Жыл бұрын

Not even close. The doctrine is that God is sovereign AND Holy. If you think his sovereignty makes him evil, that's your philosophical inference. It's not what scripture nor what the doctrine teaches.

@robertrodrigues7319

Жыл бұрын

@@detached What is SOVEREIGN? Is it acting like a DICTATOR, or is is like the HOLY and JUST GOD of the BIBle? No where in the BIble is there a SINGLE verse that teaches (in context) that any person ie ELECTED TO SALVATION before his/her birth or creation! Sovereign means He rules as a king, Justly, fairly, with all power! You worship a false god, not my God the God of the Bible.

I am equally astonished, but not surprised, that you believe that John 3:16 teaches universal atonement. The verse itself contains a particularity, sir. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever (literally from the Greek “all the believing ones,” or “everyone believing in Him”) believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Immediately preceding this text Jesus is talking about how He must be lifted up “so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life” (3:15). The verse doesn’t say that He died for all universally and that everyone has the ability to believe. It simply states that Christ died so that all the believing ones will have eternal life. There is particularity in the verse itself, but you must force a universal aspect into it. Claiming that Calvinists must “re-read John 3:16” in the way you describe proves that your level of thinking on this matter is extremely shallow. You aren’t providing exegesis, you are just giving some very surface level objections that I heard from my classmates while in high school… It doesn’t give me any confidence that you have any kind of proper or accurate understanding of the system that you are disagreeing with.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

CmRoddy, you think/believe Jesus the Messiah doesn’t offer salvific love for all?

@CmRoddy

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker5698 The verse says that God so loved the world and He gave His only Son, why? He did so “that whoever believes,” or as I stated “all the believing ones,” shall not perish. The verse does not say that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son and He died for everyone. It doesn’t say He gave His only Son to try and save everyone. It simply states that God gave His only Son so that everyone believing in Him would not perish.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

@@CmRoddy You conclude “world “ does not mean everyone?

@CmRoddy

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker5698 What I conclude is irrelevant. The text says that God sent His only begotten Son so that “all the believing ones,” or “everyone believing” shall not perish. Why are you inserting more into the text than what is there?

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

@@CmRoddy are you the arbiter of 100% revelation/ understanding CmRoddy?

Calvinism wins. You guys are Arminian Conditionalist Pretribulation Post Mill heretic that believes you can on lose your salvation Salvati John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away." Calvinists argue that this passages teaches irresistible grace. The individual cannot refuse God's choice, therefore all those given to Christ will respond. John 6:44,65 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." The Calvinist holds that these passages teach total depravity, unconditional election, and also imply limited atonement and double predestination. This is because: "No one can come to me unless . . . " because they are totally depraved "it has been granted him from the Father" or "the Father draws him" meaning unconditional election. Unconditional in this case, because the cause is the father, not the individual. Limited atonement and double predestination are usually inferred from the face that it is impossible to come to him without election. Therefore, those whom the Father has not drawn are naturally destined for judgement, and are therefore those for whom Christ did not die. John 15:16 "You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain..." Some Calvinists (and Augustine) have argued that this a proof text for unconditional election, emphasizing the irrelevance of human choice. Acts 13:48 "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." The Calvinists argue that this verse teaches unconditional election, because it would have been easy to say "as many as believed were appointed eternal life" but the reverse is stated. Romans 9:16,22,23 The Calvinist position is that Romans 9 teaches unconditional election and double predestination. This is because: Vs. 16 "it [God's choice] does not depend on the man who wills" Vs. 18 refers to double predestination. Vs. 22, 23 refer to "vessels of wrath prepared for destruction" and "vessels of mercy prepared beforehand for glory." The election involved is not a national election, because vs. 24 states that the vessels of mercy are "us, whom He called not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles,"" (i.e. believing Christians). Galatians 1:15,16 "But when He who had set me apart, even from my mother's womb, and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles..." Calvinists interpret this passage to mean that God irresistibly called Paul because he was elected to salvation. They further argue that Paul's salvation is typical of all Christians in this regard. Ephesians 1:4,5 "...just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will" Calvinists cite this passage as teaching unconditional election. God "chose us. . .before the foundation of the world." He "has predestined us to adoption as sons. . .according to the kind intention of His will." These phrases are taken to mean that God has sovereignly decided in advance who will be saved, completely irrespective of human choice. II Thessalonians 2:13 "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth." Calvinists interpret this passage to refer to unconditional election. Jude 1:4 "For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Calvinists hold that this passage teaches double-predestination. The false teachers were "long ago marked out [by God] for... condemnation." Calvinism Wins. You guys are Arminian Conditionalist Pretribulation, Free Grace, Post Millennium trash

@alfredmontoya5620

Жыл бұрын

Calvanism wins as the men made Doctrine, trash trash trsah .

@otracuentaperra4290

Жыл бұрын

You have just offended a bunch of people that believe that they are manipulating God at some level or another. The Sovereignty of God bruises their ego. BUT ; great job. Today's narcissistic society is deeply entrenched in religion. A God that is above them is hard for them to accept.

@alfredmontoya5620

Жыл бұрын

@@otracuentaperra4290 you are talking about a god of your own imagination the God of the Bible isn't Calvinist.

@alisonfrompalmdale9930

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you are just a bot, I'm not sure. However, you have shown a great ability to cut and paste, but I suppose any of us on the string could do the same thing, ad nauseum. Additionally, do real believers in Christ call other Christians trash and engage in the sort of invective you are simply because they have a different viewpoint? If you're a bot, I'm speaking to nothing, but if you are an actual person spewing this, my prayers are with you. How do you make the leap to Arminianism? This preacher recently did a message singing the praises of eternal security. How do you make the leap to Pretribulationalism and Post Millennialism? Sorry, but those two viewpoints make rather strange bedfellows. It seems you haven't done a lot of research and have chosen to simply lash out. So sad to see that. Please read the additional post I'm about to make.

@skyout5747

Жыл бұрын

@@alisonfrompalmdale9930 my scripture speaks for itself. u cant refute it

I know I am probably putting more thought into these comments than you did during this sermon (and certainly more than other folks in the comments section praising this sermon as a good refutation of Calvinism), but to call the idea of Limited Atonement (or some would say Particular Redemption) a “diabolically ridiculous bit of doctrine,” is uncharitable beyond my ability to comprehend. It’s that kind of rhetoric which would result in you and anyone in your circle to have to condemn thousands of theologians throughout church history to damnation. Millions of Christians have lived good, faithful, God fearing and God honoring lives believing that the death of Christ accomplished exactly what it intended, that is saves those for whom His sacrifice was made and does so perfectly. But to call it diabolical? Sir, shame on you. Calvinists generally don’t mind if you disagree on this doctrine or other soteriological issues, but to promote the thought that believing in Limited Atonement is akin to believing in something diabolical is outright disgusting. You are content to condemn million of brothers and sisters in Christ because you personally can’t abide the idea that Jesus did not die on the cross for every single individual human being who has ever lived or ever will live? Again, shame on you.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

Calvinism / reformed theology is easy deceivism. Sure, one can be “ saved,” but very very much deceived. The satan is calvinisms / reformed theologies greatest advocate. Hopefully you are not among the deceived CmRoddy.

@alisonfrompalmdale9930

Жыл бұрын

I posted something early on that was admittedly a bit too long, but no one has taken these verses and attempted to refute them. All of the attempted refutation of this teaching has been made by reference to Calvinist talking points. My goodness, it just seems like Calvinists take certain Scriptures and filter it through a Calvinist prism and find a way to make the Scripture fit the theology instead of letting Scripture establish the theology. Also, where are you getting the idea people who preach against the TULIP are stating that Calvinists aren't saved? That is actually very telling. We can believe in Jesus Christ, be saved, and Heaven bound, but still be mistaken about certain things. That means all of us. I listened to this message and the speaker said great things about John Macarthur and RC Sproul. He seemed to really love Sproul. Again, why are you creating this strawman that those of us who oppose Calvinism are saying that its adherents and teachers are condemned? I agree that Limited Atonement is ridiculous doctrine because it is nowhere taught in the Bible. I like what the speaker said in a subsequent talk that "all means all." There are countless verses that speak to Jesus dying for all. Reading Limited Atonement back into those verses is just wrong. Luke 2 - The angel said Behold I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to ALL people. Unto to you (the all) is born this day in the City of David, a Savior, who is Christ The Lord. All means all. Maybe diabolical is too strong a word, but I do think there is an unintended, perhaps, but nevertheless, streak of cruelty that emanates from Limited atonement here. Great news to all people, except to those who God will decide not to regenerate so they can believe the Good News. This, in God's perfect Sovereignty, is an invitation to the world (just as in John 3:16) to announce great news of a Savior who tasted death for everyone. And that all who believe in this Savior will be saved. If Jesus died only for those that God would choose to regenerate, the Bible could have easily said that. But it does not.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

CM Put some thought into the response from Alision and submit a reply. Come on CM you can if you're willing.

RC is using Acts 13:47-49. One has to be appointed for one to believe, make no sense or misunderstood. John 3:16 is very clear...whom so ever believed will not perish...2 Peter 3:9 Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, If God is choosing then that will make Him a liar. All were given a chance thru Christ but not all bites, so they perished on their own not thru our loving God.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

For both passages, what about the other stuff earlier on? In John 3, we have to be born again. Is that like our biological parents scheduling a meeting with us asking if we would like to be concieved by them so as they don't violate our free will? Or is it as the Spirit of God moves? Verse 16 doesn't actually say anything that would violate the fact that both our first birth and our second isn't by our own human effort or will, but by a being that in some way transcends us. So to, what about the other group of people in 2 Pe 3? The reprobabte scoffers for whom God says he is storing up fire for their judgement. Does God not want them to perish? The "we" and "you" in this chapter is very clearly the "beloved" Christians God has brought and will bring to the faith, not every last human being that will ever exist. The whole point is God isn't being slow to bring judgement because he has more people he will save (including people that haven't been born yet or come to faith), and he will save every last one of them.

Calvin himself stated that election does not come from the gospel. But rather the gospel comes from election!!

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@sergio cantu, Predestination for salvation and predestination for damnation is indeed biblically true, also Jesus died only for the elect is also biblically true...

@sergiocantu1000

Жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Nonsense. Calvin got his heretical teachings from Augustine not from Saint Paul.

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@@sergiocantu1000, What I am telling you is biblical not Calvinism... Read the parable of Wheat and Tares..

@sergiocantu1000

Жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo the parable of wheat and tares has to do with our lives in this world. Not within the church structure. Again that is classical augustinian heresy!

@reynaldodavid2913Jo

Жыл бұрын

@@sergiocantu1000, You did not understand the parable of Wheat and Tares, Please read it again in Matthew 13:24-43.. Read it until verse 43, because Jesus explained the parable from verse 37 to 43...

I’m a Calvinist and I watch these guys dispute it and sad thing is they talk in circles. I can’t believe their arguments are so weak . God is sovereign and freewill is an idol

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

Ok cultist. Your choice.

@toddcote4904

Жыл бұрын

​@truthseeker5698 A 100% failure rate is not a good stat for freewillers.

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

@@toddcote4904 Ok puppet.

@toddcote4904

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker5698 😆 🤣 😂

@johnjarrett5592

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker5698 not puppet , but sheep

You can try to refute pre destination for years - the fact is, however, is that it’s in the scriptures time and time again. Ephesians ch. 1 unequivocally asserts that God has set aside an elect to make up the body of Christ. There is simply no way around this. Free will is a myth - God controls everything for the purpose of His will. God WILL save all of humanity, and He will accomplish all his plans.

@theshockoftruth8222

11 ай бұрын

The elect are any and all who will put their faith and trust in Christ and follow him faithfully to end. The rest are damned. That’s His plan, that’s His will.

@changstein

11 ай бұрын

That’s not how the verses read at all. It says God chose some people before the disruption of the earth to fulfill a certain role. Ephesians 1 uses the word ‘Predestination’ several times. I encourage you to read it again We do not have to be afraid of predestination, because eternal hell is a faulty translation and non existent. God saves everyone, yet each in his own time.

1 Corinthians chapter one absolutely refutes this video teacher.

James 3:1

There is such a thing as the "doctrines of demons." We should ALL OF US be very sober concerning THAT reality.

Why is everybody think that the holy spirit is still teaching us? No, the word of God is the holy spirit (spiritual). We go to the bible with our own mind (spiritually alive trough Christ) that is why we have so many different interpretation. If the holy spirit is guiding us then why is that so? The bible is very clear for one to be mistaken, some simply misunderstood the written words, and because they think that the holy spirit was guiding them (everyone prays for guidance) they won't change their mistaken belief. You see now the holy spirit (thinking) became a liability. God enable us spiritually to understand His mind (Holy spirit/word of God).It is up to us to work hard to want God's mind (spirit) in us by reading/studying or hearing the word of God.

obedience is not a work either. mortifying the deeds of the flesh is not a work either. continuing in the faith, grounded and settled is not a work. it is obedience. As far as the perserverance of the saints, please explain away Col. 1:20-23. You are very clever in your deliverance about being judged (chastened) of God but why not include Heb. 12:5-9. The word "if" is there for a reason.

It can be said here, as Jesus prophesied in John 14, that it is the Holy Spirit who teaches, and He also brings to mind EVERYTHING that Jesus has said. At least Luther accepted John's gospel. [How "inefficient" it was of God to not have clarified TRUTH until the 16th century (tongue-in-cheek!)] We will ALL stand before ONLY Jesus one day. Don't hesitate till the End to catch up on everything He said.

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

Or worse, many of those who rail hardest against "Calvinism" themselves hold to doctrines that have been rejected up to or are novel to the 20th and 21st century. At least the Reformers were very keen to show that they weren't inventing new doctrine, but to show from scripture and church history that their ideas had always had a place in the Church.

"Not earning seems **too** easy" You're welcome.

In the era of narcissism, and it's resulting "Jesus will make you awesome" theology, the Armenian philosophy is appealing. God's sovereignty is not appealing to the ego. The God of "Calvinism" can't be controlled which is exactly who God is. The basis of all primeval religion from shamanism to today's mega churches is based on making God do something by some trick or ours. 100% of the people will see that God is sovereign.

@freeguy7628

Жыл бұрын

Calvinism is spouted by a group of people (funnily enough) that believe God loves only them, and died only for them, not the dirty "reprobate". Sadly, there was another group in the Bible that thought Jesus was only there for them, and not dirty "sinners" The Pharisees. True humility is seeing you are not special or some elite group of "Special Boys and Girls", but you are like everyone else. A wretch in need of a savior. Strangely, if men are "dead" in their sins, then Calvinists are chastising corpses for being dead and screaming at the deaf. Are you really so upset over men that God has withheld mercy, hope, grace, love, or a future? Shouldn't you be weeping over them? Isn't this short life the only pleasure and peace they will ever have?

@krakenhuevos3972

Жыл бұрын

Nobody disagrees with you that God is sovereign - so, we can move on from that red herring and I’ll say something you likely don’t agree with - God can give people free choices within the confines He has set for all of creation and still accomplish His will.

@TheRomans9Guy

Жыл бұрын

@@krakenhuevos3972 amen

@TheRomans9Guy

Жыл бұрын

@@freeguy7628 not many people see that similarity. Paul wasn’t creating a doctrine of election in Romans 9, he was destroying the Jews’ doctrine of election with sarcasm, reversing all the OT identity roles.

@GhostBearCommander

Жыл бұрын

"Sovereignty" It all comes down to that word. And I have breaking news for you: Calvinism has no idea what real Sovereignty actually is. "Sovereignty", in Calvinism, really means Determinism. The true Biblical definition of Sovereignty is "God's Kingly authority and power to do whatever He wills." You can have a perfectly Biblical view of Sovereignty without being a Calvinist. Calvinists do not own a monopoly on God's Sovereignty. They need to stop pretending that they do.

Which brand of Calvinism? The caricature? Calvinism is not a philosophy, so this is mistitled. It is a theology.

People do know there is a difference in philosophy and theology right? Forget all the presuppositions and read scripture straight through. This is why expository teaching is far superior. Scripture is God revealing Himself. He is who He is and no matter how much people want to mold Him into their image He is the Potter and we are the clay.

Do I believe some Calvinists are in heaven? Yes. I have one primary objection with the false teaching of Calvinism. So many calvinist that discover the truth, leave Christianity altogether. So many do not move to a non calvinist Christian church , they completely abandon Christianity and become atheist. Why? Because the calvinists view of God is horrible.

@otracuentaperra4290

Жыл бұрын

SO you know all these things about Calvinists??? Are you a statistician ?

@sheilasmith7779

Жыл бұрын

@@otracuentaperra4290 No, I am not a statistician. My opinion here is based on a lot of written statements by former calvinists that are now atheists do to the teaching and their treatment by calvinists when they questioned the teachings. Is this evidence, antidotal, yeah it is.

@FronteirWolf

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Surely you can't become a Calvinist. Unless you already know the truth about Calvinism are agree with it? You can't accidently become one.

@sheilasmith7779

Жыл бұрын

@@FronteirWolf Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "accidentally." If a person grows up in calvinist home, and attends a calvinist church, then the calvinist view of God, humanity and salvation would be all he/she knows. And the person that is converted by a calvinist preacher, and then begins attending their calvinist church, would only know "calvinist," Christianity. Most people don't pick up a bible, start reading and studying on their own, then decide they want to become a Christian. Someone persuades them to listen to their teaching and trust that it's true. And they do. I was raised in a Catholic home, attended a Catholic school for 11 years, and went to a Catholic Mass every Sunday, and every school day. Catechism class and region class in school for 11 years. My parents friends were all Catholic, as were my friends. So was I "accidentally," a Catholic? No, but I did not choose to be Catholic either......Catholic was all I knew.

@FronteirWolf

Жыл бұрын

@@sheilasmith7779 I grew up in Christian home. That did not make me a Christian. For the first 4 years of my life I was not a Christian. You can grow up in a Calvinist home, but until you believe the Calvinist position for yourself, you are not a Calvinist. If it was all you were being taught though, I can see how you would become a Calvinist pretty quick. It is different for Catholics as you become a Catholic when you are baptized as one and can't stop being one until you are removed from a list or something.

Arminius was a CALVINIST. He made some changes, revised it, but did NOT abandon all beliefs of Calvinism. Therefore these 2 beliefs are NOT the only choice. It's untrue, a lie, that a Christian is either a Calvinist or an Arminian.

@alisonfrompalmdale9930

Жыл бұрын

AGREED. Be a Biblicist.

@walnoemispoyt5604

Жыл бұрын

You might want to be careful with your terminologies. To be a true and consistent calvinist you have to affirm all five points of TULIP otherwise you cannot be a calvinist. Arminius was never a calvinist he was by all definitions a Christian who wrestled with the problems of evil, predetermination, salvation and many other hard theological topics.

@sheilasmith7779

Жыл бұрын

@@walnoemispoyt5604 1st. Do you know Arminius's relationship to Calvin? Look it up as it is illuminating. 2nd: Calvinists claim there are 3 point, 2 point Calvinists. Whether it us 5 point or 3, that determine Calvinism, Armineous held some Calvin beliefs. My point however is there are more than the either/or, 2 options, of Calvinism or Arminianism. Not being a Calvinist does not make one an Arminian and vice a versa.

@walnoemispoyt5604

Жыл бұрын

@@sheilasmith7779 I am not contending with your assertion on Christians being either Calvinist or Arminianist. My contention is that you are saying that Arminius was a calvinist and that is just plain wrong. Both Arminius and Calvin read and interpreted the bible so of course both of them are going to share the majority of theology and doctrine. 4, 3, 2, 1 point calvinists are not real calvinists because these are people who have not really understood TULIP. Any person who has studied Calvinism should have realized that all the points of TULIP are saying the same thing in different words. The reason you have to accept all of the points or none of them is because each point are deeply connected to each other. For example in order to understand limited atonement you have to understand unconditional election. Unconditional election explains that it is God alone who determines and chooses alone who are members of the elect. Limited atonement explains that Christ died only for the members of the elect Irresistible grace explains that only members of the elect are the only ones who have experienced God's gift that is irresistible. Perseverance of the saints explains that IF you persevere till the end of your life following God's precepts and proclaim Christ is your Lord and saviour THEN you truly are a member of the elect. R.C Sproul is a proper calvinist who accepts all the points and has even tried to rename the points to make it more palatable for younger Christians to accept. For the record Calvinism is bad theology and doctrine. Luther is Luther, Calvin is Calvin, Arminius is Arminius and Wesley is Wesley.

@ericedwards8902

Жыл бұрын

@@walnoemispoyt5604 Jacobus Arminus WAS a Calvinist: In attempting to defend Calvinistic predestination against the teachings of Dirck Volckertszoon Coornhert, Arminius began to doubt aspects of Calvinism and modified some parts of his own view. He attempted to reform Calvinism, and lent his name to a movement-Arminianism-which resisted some of the Calvinist tenets (unconditional election, the nature of the limitation of the atonement, and irresistible grace). The early Dutch followers of his teaching became known as Remonstrants after they issued a document containing five points of disagreement with mainstream Calvinism, entitled Remonstrantiæ (1610). The theology of Arminianism did not become fully developed during Arminius' lifetime, but after his death (1609) the Five articles of the Remonstrants (1610) systematized and formalized the ideas. But the Calvinist Synod of Dort (1618-19), convening for the purpose of condemning Arminius' theology, declared it and its adherents anathemas, defined the five points of Calvinism, and persecuted Arminian pastors who remained in the Netherlands. But in spite of persecution, "the Remonstrants continued in Holland as a distinct church and again and again where Calvinism was taught Arminianism raised its head."

The whole world will see the Two Witnesses because we now have digital communications which are broadcast worldwide 24/7/365.

The Calvinist understanding of God sounds more like the capricious god of Islãm. "We will send some to Paradise and some to Gehenna, and we don't care."

Calvin never repented from killing many infidels

@otracuentaperra4290

Жыл бұрын

Killing infidels was a sad reality of the medieval church. Protestants ALSO killed many "witches" and "infidels" . In fact the Baptists and Anabaptists seem to be the only ones exempt from participating in that travesty (but I could be wrong) AND as you should know many Baptists throughout history have been Calvinists.

@patrickc3419

Жыл бұрын

Who were the infidels of which you speak? (and to preface, no, he didn’t like Michael Servetus).

@sergiocantu1000

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickc3419 servetus 1 and many others who historians like will durant name and number of being killed by calvins tyrannical kingdom. Just like his father the devil who came ti kill, steal, and destroy.

@patrickc3419

Жыл бұрын

@@sergiocantu1000 So he agreed with the sentence; he did not personally, physically perform the execution, point number one. He also pleaded that the execution be carried out by the sword, not by burning him alive at the stake. We can argue whether theonomy is a good thing or a bad thing, but someone saying “Calvinism is false because John Calvin had someone burned at the stake” has nothing to do with whether God’s sovereignty is true or not. That’s not to say that someone has to be a Calvinist to be saved (though I usually say Reformed instead). We are saved by grace, not by theology.

@sergiocantu1000

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@@patrickc3419 well, it is a common practice of cults to exhalt their holy leaders even if it means to deny the crimes they commited. But with in the church we need to be more honest than them. In Calvins own words he stated that if sevetus ever came to geneva he would not allow him to leave alive and also after he had burned alive he never repented. So if that is not enough to separate our faith from such heretical and abomminal men than christians are nobdifferent than muslims.

Calvinism isn’t a philosophy, its a summary of doctrine exegeted from Scripture. The very first attempt to define Calvinism was incorrect, a mischaracterization, and I knew it would be all downhill from there.

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

So tell me, what did Calvin teach about what is characterized here as "Total Depravity"?

@c.m.granger6870

Жыл бұрын

@@sbgtrading I can't do the spade work for you in the comments section. This has been addressed voluminously in the history of theological debate.

@sbgtrading

Жыл бұрын

@@c.m.granger6870 Hey...thanks for the chat...I wish you nothing but the best in your future.

@c.m.granger6870

Жыл бұрын

@@sbgtrading Same here, Solas Christus

@oracleoftroy

11 ай бұрын

@@sbgtrading Calvin affirmed historic declarations of the church like the Canon of Orange which was written during the height of the Pelagian controversy. That might be worth checking out to see that many of the ideas Reformed Christians weren't invented 500 years ago, but have a place in early church history. "Total Depravity" is laid out quite nicely there, though not by that name (the name is a more recent invention). Or for the "Calvinist" source of the doctrine, see the Canons of Dort.

Jesus said, Jn. 6:28-29 that believing IS a work. Who am I to believe you or scripture? Think I'll go with scripture. I otherwise agree with you. Calvinism is very flawed.

The one thing I disagree with, John Calvin might have been smart, but he was an absolutely atrocious horrible human being! 🤮

JOHN 3:16 (KJV) “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” ACTS 13:48 (KJV) “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the Word of the Lord; AND AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED” Only those ordained to eternal life will believe!

Calvinism makes God the author of evil and sin.

@detached

Жыл бұрын

God created knowing full well the evil that would ensue and the billions who would end up in hell. So ultimately he is the "cause". No doctrine of soteriology can get around that.

This man's preaching / teaching is the majority . Most Christians will believe this way . The Calvanists he's talking about is a small group.

@detached

Жыл бұрын

2.5% of global professing Christians

The flawed philosophy of the Bible! What does the Bible teach? I never saw a Bible teaching! for it is written in Genesis 6:6 " And the Lord repented that he had made man" Now Genesis 6:6 is nothing more than a Pagan concept. A pagan concept is based on false observation. The "God I serve does not make mistakes" The God I serve is all knowing, and never makes mistakes. The God I worship has a perfect plan, a plan that includes all of the Universe.

Error number one of many. Calvinism is not a Philosophy.