The FIRST F-22 Air to Air Kill is a Chinese Spy Balloon?
Discussing the recent shootdown of a Chinese Spy Balloon by an F-22 out of Langley. For all non-aviation content, follow my second channel LIFE WITH MOVER: / @mover69
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The A-10 has more Air to Air kills than the Raptor...
@wodenbyers2593
Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure most top soil on this earth is younger than the warthog, nothing but love for that unkillable airframe lol
@Aeronaut1975
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I'd like to see an A-10 at 60,000ft.
@skid2151
Жыл бұрын
Service ceiling for the Hog is 35000. No worries, just glad we took out the balloon!
@JohnBNeff
Жыл бұрын
Hawgs gone wild.
@roflchopter11
Жыл бұрын
The Blackhawk (I think) has more air to air kills than the Raptor.
Anyone using Tik Tok and complaining about Chinese espionage has serious cognitive dissonance issues.
@caroleinwv
Жыл бұрын
Yep
@thepsychicspoon5984
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@gregson99
Жыл бұрын
Facts...
@johntomik4632
Жыл бұрын
And typing comments on a Chinese phone 😆
@MRsolidcolor
Жыл бұрын
yeah the reason they waited IS: shocker joe biden and this admiration are in the pocket of the Chinese.. the paper tails cant be hid and its getting exposed.. and the "general" in charge is "i want to know about white rage", and the same guy that called china and told them hey if we are going to attack you ill be giving you a call to inform you first..... Yeah its obvious why is we let to go all over the us and they even canceled flights till it past.... that's weakness you stopped our who country because you feared a balloon from CHINA... more like they where told to let it go and did as they was told....
Imagine the grief the F-22 Pilot would have received if he missed this target.
@osmoregulatoryorgan
Жыл бұрын
bro 😂😂
@MinhTran-fc7jl
Жыл бұрын
he probably has missed the first shot we just didn't see it filmed 😀
@rkan2
Жыл бұрын
The grief would've been more for the Weapons manufacturers... Lockheed Martin and Raytheon company...
@LWRC
Жыл бұрын
Talk about pressure!!!
@4TheRecord
Жыл бұрын
None, since it was considered a difficult shot to do since the missiles they have are designed to explode when hitting hard targets. Usually a missile would fly right through the balloon without exploding, but they must have set a timer on it or an altitude for it to automatically explode at. The fact they got it on the first shot is amazing.
"A balloon of this caliber is not something that you can just pop." man the seriousness on your face when you said this had me dying on the floor
@H3ntaig33K
Жыл бұрын
5th gen balloon needs to be taken down by a 5th gen plane.
@someoneelse1550
Жыл бұрын
I mean Canada couldn't take down a large balloon once because they were using bullets, which wouldn't create a significant enough hole for it to tear or leak enough to collapse... so a large projectile is still the best way to go
@rbrtck
2 ай бұрын
@@someoneelse1550 The CF-18s used explosive shells, but of course they weren't fused for balloons, so they didn't explode. But I doubt the small size of the AIM-9X did it, either. It probably had to explode, using a proximity rather than contact/impact fuse, to take out that balloon.
@rbrtck
2 ай бұрын
Was Mover joking? I think he was completely serious about the sheer size of this balloon making it very difficult to take down. I'm just glad the AIM-9X worked because, justified or not, it would have been embarrassing if it had failed. And it easily could have in any of several ways.
Hi Mover. I witnessed the engagement from my backyard here in Loris, SC. The hour leading up to the kill was just as interesting as the shot itself. I can send you a video and some still that also haven’t been uploaded. I’m too am a retired Military Aviator and watching the number of fighters tracking and circling the balloon was impressive. I also saw about 4 F-15s at lower altitude, and the 2 F-22s, which clearly were obviously at a much higher altitude. So in my military mind this was very well planned and briefed. Some out there think the F-22s just launched, fired and went home. Hats off to the F-15 and KC-135 crews that were there making this historic event happen.
@MrBojangles2020
Жыл бұрын
Love my F15s!!
@Fatbat3000
Жыл бұрын
Only cost a couple hundred million to shoot down a balloon :D
@humperdinckoglethorpe4180
Жыл бұрын
@@Fatbat3000bro it’s not that big of a deal. Think of it like training.
@animepussy8356
Жыл бұрын
@@humperdinckoglethorpe4180 For what? More balloons? 6 fighters is just ridiculous for shooting down an off-course weather balloon.
@e.l.norton
Жыл бұрын
@@Fatbat3000Actually, no. The missile, plus some gas that would have been used for a training mission anyway. It didn't cost much.
For me it's a good thing the Raptor has no kills. Speaks volume of the relative peace we live in and that "The best weapon, is the one you never need to use."
@skyhawk_4526
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps I'm a bit pessimistic, but I suspect this will be a very temporary condition.
@jaredtexter4440
Жыл бұрын
Really mean while we drone strike in all kinds of countries
@PythonRaptor
Жыл бұрын
They say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. I prefer the weapon you only have to fire once ;)
@mach1251
Жыл бұрын
yes, neither does the minuteman missile, best weapon is the one that you don't have to use
@Mutation80
Жыл бұрын
@@skyhawk_4526 Yeah, America is headed for a war with China
Thanks for your balanced explanation of what was going on. As you say, they probably get more info from our phones than from any balloon, but you don't know until the payload (or what's left of it) has been inspected.
Very nice, very to-the-point explanation about a lot of talking points concerning this issue. Thank you.
The first F-22 kill being a balloon is oddly fitting.
@MrRediablo
Жыл бұрын
hahahahahha
@40yeartrucker25
Жыл бұрын
Was it 35 million dollars EA.?
@Starboatbuilder
Жыл бұрын
@@40yeartrucker25 It is your tax dollars at work . Here in Canada we have the new F-35 with the question " does it start in cold weather"
@michaelbenjmitchell1
Жыл бұрын
What is fitting is the Squadron doing the Balloon busting. The call sign they used was a nod to a pilot in the 94th Aero Squadron during WWI who had the reputation for being a balloon buster over 17 Balloon kills to his name.
@bcluett1697
Жыл бұрын
If that's all it ever has to kill that suits me fine. Seeing the little baloon silhouette on the nose is amusing.
The spy balloon marking on the Raptor is both awesome and funny as hell.
@austinado16
Жыл бұрын
4 more, and he's an ace!! Get sum!
@mathgasm8484
Жыл бұрын
@@austinado16 ace balloon killer. We are all safe except for birthday parties.
@Justanotherconsumer
Жыл бұрын
@@mathgasm8484 ace balloon killer was a real deal back in WW1. Only the best of the best could claim that title.
@endjfcar
Жыл бұрын
It sucks that it's not real 😭
@austinado16
Жыл бұрын
@@mathgasm8484 The ATF just announced new regulations for balloon purchases and ownership. It covers types of balloons, and quantities of balloons, and includes a comprehensive section covering modifications.
Thank you for your honest assessment of a situation that has so much misinformation, and memes, around it. I have always appreciated your honest takes, humor, and respect for your profession. Your video on this subject is a master class.
Great vid, i was watching it from my fire station in NMB. I was not expectingthe shoot so i have the after vid and i was alot more excited than the guy who took this vid. Mines more explicit in language lol. There seemed to be 2 flights (4 aircraft) circling, then they seemed to move to a staging area to the north. One fighter broke off and bee lined to the balloon and thats when the shoot happened. The explosion could be heard shortly after. The initial shoot aircraft immediately moved off to the soutwest and a sonic boom could be heard. Im guessing to escape debris because there was a metric shit ton falling, and im assuming that was mainly the solar panels. Looked like a bunch of flashes from the sun flickering off of the falling chunks. One aircraft stayed with the balloon and circled it as it fell. The other 3 departed shortly after. The sense of pride was overwelming honestly. Truely Awesome.
4:06 - The Canadians found out cannons and balloons don't mix back in '98. I think it was 2,000 rounds of ammunition they fired at a balloon and it didn't work. Not an experience the Americans are eager to have their own of, I'm sure.
@FlukeyLuke
Жыл бұрын
Also Every single cannon shell that goes through that balloon WILL land somewhere on the floor Last thing you want is to claim you shot down 1 Ballon and 53 civilians down range with the 500 shells you fired
@hansgruber2509
Жыл бұрын
That is classic bull-shite. 2000 rounds thru a balloon will turn it to swiss cheese and down it goes
@mexcore14
Жыл бұрын
@@hansgruber2509 anything capable of shooting so many bullets will not be as accurate at a distance
@Galvalera
Жыл бұрын
The Australians found that out in the 1950's where they used 2 machine guns against a bunch of emus and the emus are still alive wandering around Western Australia.
@hansgruber2509
Жыл бұрын
@@FlukeyLuke But shooting a missile is perfectly safe?
Might be the first and only well-balanced, informative take I’ve seen or care to see. More than enough said. Thanks always, Mover.
@Axemantitan
Жыл бұрын
Check out Ward Carroll's video on it.
@mikehunt6218
Жыл бұрын
@@Axemantitan yes ward Carol had a good video on it... Great channel
@bustbeel1
Жыл бұрын
Joe Biden is a Coward after all he has Transexuals dancing on the Whitehouse Oval Office Desk that's why!
@bustbeel1
Жыл бұрын
My family member is an Intel Agent he said you can see way more with a Balloon you are all fooling yourselves! Lucky it was not carrying a small Nuke! Mr. Biden is incapable of protecting this Country just look at our Southern Border Now a Spy Balloon!
@imza5535
Жыл бұрын
Yeah any of those youtube short videos are cancer
Thanks for the clarification on the bullets vs missiles, I was wondering why they did that
Liked the close up views! Best seen yet. Thanks for the F-16 pilot perspective.
4:40 my man casually takes a 20mm round out of his pocket lol
Thanks for using my video!! I was watching it most of the day. It looked like there were 2 fighters circling it and they left as the 1 f22 came in to take the shot. It was awesome witnessing the first air to air over US soil, maybe since Pearl Harbor?
@delta34golf
Жыл бұрын
Hawaii becomes a US State in 1959, so I think that puts Pearl out as a US State. It also would out Alaska out, as it also became a state in 1959. But as US Territories that are now US States, I think Alaska takes it with the Battle of Dutch Harbor, June 3-4, 1943. As for Territories, I imagine it would be Guam, which was in 1944, but it's not now a US State. Anyways, interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing the video Ryan.
@looneyburgmusic
Жыл бұрын
@@delta34golf If we are talking any US soil, State or territory, then it most likely would have been one of the Pacific islands or the Philippines that saw the first ever air-to-air combat/kill.
@xdaisy155
Жыл бұрын
Shooting balloon could be so exciting? Anyway it could be a weather balloon at the end of the day.
@irgendwieanders2121
Жыл бұрын
The wet part - after the gritty bits - is called ocean 🙂 Soil is the thing before the gritty bits, mostly recognizable by the green bits sticking out of it 🙃 I'll show myself out
@erwinschmidt7265
Жыл бұрын
Ryan Sutton - Yeah Buddy!! I'm kinda old as Gramps Henry Ford's 1st Apprentice in '01, but in my cloudy cobwebbed memory, I think there was mention of a take-down of enemy piloted aircraft over...............Pennsylvania, on 9-11?
Thanks for the update!
Hey Mover! Did you feel the AIM9 coming off the rail at all? Former Viper crew chief at Nellis aggressor unit. We were the first VIper unit to become aggressors when the F5's were retired. :)
99 spy balloons Floating in the winter sky Panic bells, it's red alert There's something here from Somewhere else The war machine springs to life Opens up one eager eye Focusing it on the sky The 99 spy balloons go by
@LocoFan611
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see someone else thought of "99 Red Balloons" (Neunundneunzig rote Luftballons) in regards to this. Thanks for the new lyrics.
@100pyatt
Жыл бұрын
🤣🏆🏆🏆
@skie6282
Жыл бұрын
99 washington Street 99 senators meet To worry, worry, never scurry Call the troops out in a hurry This is what we've waited for This is it boys, this is war The President is on the line As 99 spy balloons go by... Need this to be a cover
@mattai075
Жыл бұрын
99 Decision Street Ninety-nine ministers meet To worry, worry, super-scurry Call the troops out in a hurry This is what we've waited for This is it, boys, this is war The president is on the line As ninety-nine spy balloons go by Great song, sadly relevant.
@RiemsAI
Жыл бұрын
hey i know this song! LOL
First Air-to-Air kill over the continental US: June 4th 1942 - Battle of Dutch Harbor, over Otter Point. 1 Japanese fighter and 2 Japanese dive bombers were downed by a patrol of 6 US P-40s.
@miquelescribanoivars5049
Жыл бұрын
What about Japanese explosive balloons? Pretty sure some got shot down.
@fastertove
Жыл бұрын
Maybe. It depends on how 'continental US' was definition before 1959 :)
My concern, right or wrong, is that it was a dry run for a EMP delivery system. And, of course, I am not alone in that thought. Good video.
I enjoyed the very thoughtful and informative video. Thank you 🙂
As a former SIGINT analyst, I think your assessment on the delay is correct.
@f.m.4138
Жыл бұрын
So why do you need 6+ days of intel gathering after you were gathering intel on it over the Pacific, Canada, then Montana…. It makes no sense to let them use this equipment on a complete overflight of the US when you probably had all of the useful data you needed before it even got here and certainly after it transited Minuteman sites in Montana. This was a complete and total failure of leadership. Utter stupidity.
@ssarkees
Жыл бұрын
Yup,,, What's the point of a ballon when you can use satellites and Signals Intel? this was china's way of saying F-You for the Pelosi visit to Taiwan.
@coyoteannabis1192
6 күн бұрын
I dated a chick that had been in both the AF and the navy. RC-135's in the AF, P-3's and P-8's in the Navy. Just the unclassified stuff she told me about what those flying nerds can do, I can assure every American that that balloon sent back nothing but d**k pics and Winne The Pooh memes the entire time it was over US airspace... We didn't wait to shoot it down for safety, we waited because the sparkys were having too much fun with it.
Sir, thank you for explaining this in military terminology yet didn't get too far that any fan of military aviation wouldn't get too lost by, if at all. Retired USAF guy myself who actually was fortunate enough to make a repair for an F-18 as well. I admit, I was wondering why not guns and you explained it clearly. Great video.
@fastwing3295
Жыл бұрын
The USAF had F/A-18s? Since when?
@saladmancer8151
Жыл бұрын
@@fastwing3295 isn't there a US law that punishes people for lying about being in the military? I am not from the US so i don't know
@jonsafuhto9220
Жыл бұрын
USAF & F-18 = SUS
@davidtsiangwy
Жыл бұрын
@@fastwing3295 It's highly likely that this person is making this up because the F-18 never served in the US Air Force.
@fastwing3295
Жыл бұрын
@@davidtsiangwy Yeah. I know. Hence the 'since when'.
The pilot of that F-22 deserves a medal for risking his life to shoot down an airstrip.
Sensible review of the event. Thanks Mover.
Thanks for the video Mover, I have seen a lot of people ask why they didn't use the 20 mm. Also thought the story was cool that the pilots used the call sign 'FRANK01' FRANK02 in an apparent homage to a heroic pilot Frank Luke Jr. an American fighter ace in World War I better known as the 'Arizona Balloon Buster.' He is credited with shooting down 14 German surveillance balloons."
@michaelbenjmitchell1
Жыл бұрын
Did you know that Frank Luke was a member of Eddie RickenBacher's 94th Aero Squadron.
@RCI136
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 I didn't but I am enjoying reading about now, Thanks!
@justalpha9138
Жыл бұрын
Oh that's neat!
@gotanon9659
Жыл бұрын
Canada tried to do that with an out of control hot air ballon after firing houndres of 20mm rounds into the ballon it...still kept flying eventually crashing in the atlantic ocean.
@bgdabg6769
Жыл бұрын
So there is USA history of fighting balloons, hahahahahah
The F-22 is the only fighter in history to never suffer an air to air loss from a ballon any ballon.
From what I''m understanding of the situation, the Aim9 was a programmed air burst round, it's goal was to target the midbody and airburst next to it to limit damage to the equipment, and maximize the damage to the baloon portion.
really appreciate the concise clarity
The first aircraft shot down over the United States was by Squadron Leader Ken Boomer, Royal Canadian Air Force on September 25, 1942 over Kiska Island, against a Nakajima Rufe (a Zero floatplane). A second Rufe was shot down shortly thereafter by Major John Chennault, USAAF, who was flying in the same fomation of P40s.
@brainandforce
Жыл бұрын
Is this the first air-to-air kill over the continental United States?
@zipz4777
Жыл бұрын
Alaska was not a state until 1959.
@toddtheiste5068
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the first have been over Pearl Harbor? Makes this the first kill over Continental US.
@goingtoscotland
Жыл бұрын
@@toddtheiste5068 Neither Alaska nor Hawaii were actually part of the US during WWII.
@wisenber
Жыл бұрын
@@zipz4777 "Alaska was not a state until 1959." Nor was Hawaii, yet that seemed like enough to have the US declare war.
Great insight perspective and analysis, as always, Mover. We thank you.
Thanks Mover for the great and simple explanation.
That was an excellent breakdown of events, just the facts with little hype or drama; very refreshing!
Should of sent up another balloon with the Red Bull guy,he jumps on the China balloon,sets a world record for transfer of balloons!
@CWLemoine
Жыл бұрын
Somebody call Tom Cruise!
@rr4298
Жыл бұрын
Or those idiots who changed planes mid air , it could have been there sentence .
@markman613
Жыл бұрын
We should have captured it alive and put it in next years Macys parade.
@ronneidert
Жыл бұрын
They were fined for loss of control I believe.
@carbon1255
Жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine He does his own stunts, don't you know :P
Thanks for summarizing this for us.
Thank you for the explanation!
Really appreciate the professional explanation of this event, thanks!
Everyone is so glad this "air battle" went in our favor ! We were all on the edge of our seats !
@jamesbrown5262
Жыл бұрын
US lost this battle, China was allowed to accomplished their mission.
@osmoregulatoryorgan
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbrown5262 I get the feeling Biden was waiting for the ok from China once they got what they needed.
@xdviper4518
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbrown5262 and you know what the mission was do you? Chinese spy much... lol
@sethadkins546
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbrown5262 how the hell do you know
@ryanhodin5014
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbrown5262 There's nothing the balloon could tell them that a satellite couldn't... Except maybe how quickly the US can shoot down a target like a slow-moving balloon. If we just tell China, and the world "Hey, we can see this thing! Look where it is!", we're saying we have the capability to shoot it down, but we don't care to. Then, we shoot it down over water after a massive delay (meaning we've revealed nothing about our capability), and that way it splashes down in a condition where maybe we can recover it and study it to see what it was actually supposed to do. So China has learned nothing, and the US has a cool balloon to study. How did the US lose again?
A brilliantly balanced review mate!
Another (and perhaps the main) reason why I imagine no one would like to use the gun for this is that at 60000 ft flying at a stationary target the closure rate will be insanely high so the time window to put an accurate burst into it is very small, especially if you want to target the payload, and your capabitility to maneuver is minimal, so colliding with the balloon or debris seems like a real risk. Very different from the intended use of the gun from behind another fighter that is flying at a similar speed in front of you (minimal closure), turning, at lower altitude, at dogfighting speeds, and you can relax your turn or jink after your burst to avoid debris.
Outstanding video. In Ward Carroll's vid today, he mentions that they disarmed the missile so that it would just knock the payload off, without exploding it. I don't know if that's true or not. I cracked up at your debrief photo at the end....well played!!! And I truly hope there's an F22 with a balloon kill icon painted on the fuselage!! EDIT: Sorry, I see that a dozen other people have referenced Ward's vid in the comments. I hadn't read down far enough.
@BlueZirnitra
Жыл бұрын
@@barrygrant2907 it was a poof not a boom. You had to struggle to identify the impact. Definitely doubt any firepower was involved. It's a bloody balloon lol.
@tonyv8925
Жыл бұрын
@@barrygrant2907 It could have been just the igniter charge instead of an operational warhead.
@TheCyberMantis
Жыл бұрын
It looks like it hit the tether cable. The payload was falling in-tact. Very precise hit. Good job. No doubt, the NAVY recovered it, and the DARPA gang can analyze it.
@SternLX
Жыл бұрын
@@tonyv8925 As a maintainer of AIM-9X's... they don't get delivered to the Air Craft as a Live AUR(All Up Round) without a Warhead. No such thing as an "Igniter Charge". No one in Ops orders a Live missile with a CAP warhead on a live Motor when that AC is assigned to Alert status. Ever. The Warhead is armed on the ground. The Pilot's Master Arm switch controls the Fuse arming and rocket motor arming. They(fuse and rocket motor) cannot be armed separately. There is literally a T-handle that has to be lifted and rotated on the body to arm the Warhead and Rocket motor(they're on the same electrical circuit). That task is completed by ground crew on the EOR(end of runway) pad. Civ's call it a Run up area. Either way, that AIM-9 was a 100% live round and used to it's designed ability.
@enisten
Жыл бұрын
@@TheCyberMantis Is it possible to shoot a cable from 5,000 ft away? Also, what do you think caused the balloon to explode then?
Thanks for the clear/concise/technical explanation. Much appreciated.
Great breakdown Mover!
Good points made.. thanks for explaining
I appreicate the breakdown, i sent you the audio of the two pilots via email, thank you for explaining why they didn't use potential guns on the aircraft, that makes sense.... It is why i love listening to you when things happen, you give the REAL position and no bullshit!
@DSTsucks
Жыл бұрын
Where can we find the audio. Do you know if it's posted anywhere?
@Zephyrion__
Жыл бұрын
Where can the audio be found
@RamblingRodeo
Жыл бұрын
@@Zephyrion__ kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYGltMl6krOtfaw.html&ab_channel=Jabbers
You do us and this whole country a service. Thanks for all of it. Another great summary of events which are unfortunately plastered with misinformation [from other sources] flying everywhere.
This was a great take on the situation. Really helped clarify things. Every other breakdown is wrapped head to toe in politics and finding the truth within is basically impossible. Which is the new way of our country.
Thanks for the discussion bro
Living close to Myrtle Beach this hit close to home, this was the clearest and more informative description of what happened! Thx
The pilot is now immortalized!
@mikek9297
Жыл бұрын
TopGun 3 : Baloon Popper
@michaelripperger5674
Жыл бұрын
Balloon buster !
@majboomer1285
Жыл бұрын
Wonder if they will change his callsign to Carnival or Popper etc...lol
@v.dargain1678
Жыл бұрын
Yeah right . He been immortalized by both sides . You stupid if you think BIG RED is going to let a political insult like that be forgotten easily .
Thanks Mover, I was one of them who were saying they should have just went after it sooner and shot it with the 20mm also. You put it in very good perspective. I was also overflown by the two F15s heading from MA to the kill zone I was wondering where they were going…
"Balloons don't shoot back." - Bruce Lee
@graysonmcmillan8690
Жыл бұрын
Be balloons my friend
Thanks Mover, excellent video and commentary on this incident. The only thing that would’ve been an improvement is if you’d been interviewed on a major news network. Your insights and thoughts are leaps and bounds better than anything I’ve heard out there so far.
Thank you for this video. Great explanations of questions we all had 👍
@maxwhite3981
Жыл бұрын
👍
@MRsolidcolor
Жыл бұрын
yeah the reason they waited IS: shocker joe biden and this admiration are in the pocket of the Chinese.. the paper tails cant be hid and its getting exposed.. and the "general" in charge is "i want to know about white rage", and the same guy that called china and told them hey if we are going to attack you ill be giving you a call to inform you first..... Yeah its obvious why is we let to go all over the us and they even canceled flights till it past.... that's weakness you stopped our who country because you feared a balloon from CHINA... more like they where told to let it go and did as they was told....
Excellent video Mover! Is there any intel on if they discovered this balloon the instant it flew into US airspace or only well after that? In the latter case it could be a serious threat if equipped with any kind of weaponry...
@SpecJack15
Жыл бұрын
NORAD knew the balloon was headed into U.S. when it came over the Aleutian Islands. They knew in advance.
@jozsefpalkovics917
Жыл бұрын
@@SpecJack15 Now that's good news.
Great Explanation Mover.
Such a great breakdown of this balloon event. Thanks!
Laugh all you want about the target being a balloon and stuff. The crazy part is that the intercept happened near the edge of jet fighter's ceiling, yet debris fell within 12 miles off shore. That's surgical coordination and intercept imho. Heard that the warhead in that AIM9X was removed/deactivated to make sure that debris of the spy balloon could be as intact as possible for analysis after retrieval. Kudos to that Raptor driver and everyone involved.
@integrity262
Жыл бұрын
Well said Sir.
@integrity262
Жыл бұрын
Hard for most of society to see and comprehend the importance of any subject matter as a whole these days.
@ketelin4285
Жыл бұрын
I laugh about allowing the "spy baloon" to complete it's mission . A farce
@Xeno88
Жыл бұрын
"Raptor Driver" ah yes the driver is so talented as a pilot of toyota prius i can confirm.
@morm608
Жыл бұрын
Lol surgical, as if they weren't shooting a sitting duck.
The f22 is amazing because that baloon is fast and agile and the baloon has scary air to air combat capabilities of it's own
Thank You for your Professional opinion!!! Your the Best, Mover!!!
as always a solid objective analysis good job mate
Drama free and unbiased, as usual, thank you!
Great video thank you fantastic summary
Love seeing the "Altitude, Airspeed, Brains" sign on the wall. Immediately took me back to the Spectre book series where I first read that saying.
Thanks for the video. A lot of great information. I was confused about the use of the Aim-9x until I saw your explanation. I did not know a fox-2 was able to track a balloon before your explanation
@deadshot4245
Жыл бұрын
Any heat source greater than the background I’d imagine it would be able to see
a lot of people appreciate your insight in this manner. People in my state comment on how they would have shot it down if it came over their county....Again, if this was used to gather intelligence, thats why they didnt fly over my state. Thanks again.
@austinado16
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂 Thank you for the laugh.
@davem2369
Жыл бұрын
In all my looks into the history of intelligence gathering u don't think I've ever seen a situation were if a source of intelligence gathering has been found they didn't take advantage of feeding it false info. This is apparently the fifth balloon in several years. I'd expect they've discovered a lot about how to fuck with them
@WhiskeyTango84
Жыл бұрын
@@austinado16 anytime
@shane7133
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@Justanotherconsumer
Жыл бұрын
a burn for the ages, that one.
The F-22 has yet to face a worthy opponent.
Very thorough review . I loved your opinion on it
excellent, balanced, informative take on this. I learned a lot and you answered my "why not use the gun" question. Subbed!
@tylisirn
Жыл бұрын
Balloons have been a problem for fighters' guns ever since World War 1. Observation blimps were some of the hardest targets to bring down, because bullets just make holes which are barely an inconvenience to the blimp, and those blimps were even filled with hydrogen! (Because they were completely *full* of hydrogen, there wasn't any oxygen inside, so the hydrogen couldn't burn until the blimps had lots and lots of holes perforated in them, and thus even incendiary rounds had hard time bringing them down.)
Fun fact. Just looked it up. A f-15 in 1985 shot down a satellite at an altitude of 345 miles with a asm-135 ASAT missile. Making the f-15 the only fighter to shoot down an object in space and the highest flying air to air target.
Thirty-plus years of service. Combat medals. Citations. Only man to shoot down one balloon in the last 40 years.
The USAF will award the pilot an Air Force Cross for his/her brave engagement with the balloon. I wonder if they painted a balloon on the side of the jet. This is how the pilot described the encounter, "There I was closing at 500 kts when I spotted the balloon, I went to max burner and pulled hard up and right, I kept my eyes on the balloon as it increased speed to 30 kts. I thought to myself it's now or never and I rolled in with my fangs out knowing I was risking everything. When the radar locked on, I felt bad for the balloon because its death was moments away. I suppressed those thoughts and let my training take over and I fired. I felt a thrill as the missile streaked toward the doomed balloon. Seconds later I had my first kill, like many firsts in my life I'll never forget this one." Of course, being a pilot, he used his hands to show the maneuvers as his described them. Thrilling story wouldn't you agree.
@ArizonaAstraLLC
Жыл бұрын
There is a killmark already lol
@jasondelaney6849
Жыл бұрын
will the pilot an award?
@pregnant9574
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@leyvajavier
Жыл бұрын
"...with my fangs out knowing I was risking everything. [ b/c that's how aggressive I am] When the radar..."
@charletonzimmerman4205
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about, his "Wingman" , you see a "Balloon" can a 'CLOWN" 🤡, be far away ? Waiting to "Pounce" ? "Scratch, "ONE" Balloon !🎈
Solar panels have a very strong IR signature. That is probably what the AIM-9 locked onto, and it looks like it smacked right into them
Thanks C.W. Also for the Tune at the end.
Kudos on the analogy and the reasoning for when to kill the target.
Supposedly 2 USAF U2s were flying along it getting intelligence from Alaska and over the CONUS. Thanks for the video, great content.
Thanks for explaining on how they attacked it that it will be easy for the Aim-9X to track. I though it wasn't useful as the target did not have an engine. Still impressive how this missile has improved. I remember reading that the early versions can be confused by the sun.
@Bova-Fett
Жыл бұрын
Even modern versions can be confused by the sun. Hard to counteract that if its going off pure IR
@goddepersonno3782
Жыл бұрын
there's been a massive host of improvements modern AIM-9X is one helluva beast original AIM-9A/Bs had a very specific flight envolope they could be fired in, pulled less than 15gs, and had to be fired specifically at the enemy jet's exhaust in order to track, and then the track was easily lost or evaded modern AIM-9X can pull around 50gs from memory, has all aspect lock, can ignore flares, possesses airburst capability, and with a 5th gen helmet mounted display can lock and engage targets from 270 degrees pilot vision
@F_Reduction
11 ай бұрын
They don’t tell you have advanced their missiles are. This one’s might be older than the version using for the future 6th gen fighter jets. We normal people would never know what kind of weapons the government is making.
If you want to read a good story about shooting down a drone . There's an old story called The Battle of Palmdale and you can find out what happens when you're shooting at things and things don't go the way you planned them to go
Would love to hear a breakdown / explanation of the comms recording of this that came out, would be very interesting
Hello Mover,can you explain, the contrails at that high altitude?In dcs after 40000ft you dont get any cons
A kill is a kill. Sitting around KMMT listening to Generals ask if we could hit it with flechettes. Not at that altitude sir, lol. Thought the guys at Shaw would get the call.
A US pilot in his parachute with a 1911 has more air to air kills than the raptor.
@classicgalactica5879
Жыл бұрын
The best weapon is the one you never have to use.
@BillyBobDingo1971
Жыл бұрын
😂
@rogueldr642smiythe9
Жыл бұрын
@@classicgalactica5879 Listen the best weapon is the one you only have to use ONCE!!!! Katee Sackhoff is a better Starbuck!
@GOD719
Жыл бұрын
@@classicgalactica5879 I respectfully disagree. I prefer the weapon that you only have to fire once. That's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And it worked out pretty good so far
@rogueldr642smiythe9
Жыл бұрын
@@GOD719 DEADPOOL TO SAVE STARK!!!!
I can’t wait for the DCS Spy Balloon update!
0:44 watching this Monday morning enjoying some coffee and you just killed me.. LMFAO "Not to be confused with tiktok".... Perfect comedic timing.
Got tired of the non-technical/BS coverage in the news, so came to hear from an expert; wasn't disappointed. Great job as always, Mooover!
@anonypersona3189
Жыл бұрын
I heard it wasn't a prox fuse and only a dummy warhead used for the AIM-9X. Not sure I'd believe they would risk such a thing if true.
@dexterr3txed664
Жыл бұрын
@@anonypersona3189 Yep, just read about that as well. I assume they went w/ a kinetic warhead like the Hellfire R9X in order to bring down the balloon, but not cause too much damage such that there would be no intel left in the wreckage.
A well-executed, professional exercise. Good job, guys !!
@thejoker2214
Жыл бұрын
Yeahhhh against a non defending Balloon ! Ahahahahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 are you kiding us hahahahjaha.
It took a 100 million dollar US stealth fighter jet to intercept a 100 dollar Chinese balloon. The power of the Chinese balloon is STAGGERING!
I remember when I had my first Air to Air kill against a balloon, I was Five at my sister's birth day party...
Ward Carroll said a few things differently. 1st, he said the aim9x used had no warhead, he also said it was the ballon that was shot, and most importantly, it’s not actually a heater as it detects differences in light instead of heat. Not saying who is wrong or right, or that it even matters. More curiosity than anything. Enjoy your videos!
@CWLemoine
Жыл бұрын
He corrected himself somewhere in these comments. The AIM-9X warhead is small.
@michaelmartin3936
Жыл бұрын
I am wondering if one reason for The delay in shooting it down was perhaps. They did a modification to the Aim9x. Would probably adjust the tracking sensors to the lower heat signature of the ball on and decrease the warhead explosive force so that the payload would receive less damage!
@FinalSentinel
Жыл бұрын
Also, just to chime in, radiant heat is light; infrared is just another wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum (i.e. light), and radiant heat is transmitted by the electromagnetic spectrum (primarily in the infrared for most phenomena you’d observe on earth). They are the same thing!
@tams805
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelmartin3936 Perhaps they did some modifications, but that's not the reason for the delay. It was delayed because it presented no threat, was an intelligence gathering opportunity, and if shot down over land could have turned into a risk.
I heard the explosive was removed from the warhead and that only kinetics were used to down the object. This was done to minimize damage to the payload and to maximize the likelihood of recovering as much hardware as possible. Any thoughts?
@CWLemoine
Жыл бұрын
False. Confirmed by the NORTHCOM General that this is pure nonsense. twitter.com/beverstine/status/1622661792509079558?s=20&t=ol4eslQtapNBzjXs72eKRw
Salute! A precision hit. The next one will be taken out over the Aleutians. I didn't realize the balloon was powered and steerable. I can see Pranks being crafted as you are reading this. What thrill it must of been for the Pilot. If you are a Fighter Pilot you are one special human to earn the seat. Much Respect.
I'd already guessed that they were gathering information themselves from the path of the balloon and potentially from data recovery. I didn't think about tipping our hand on our methods to respond to threats.
@paulclarke3132
Жыл бұрын
Tipping our hand on our methods??? You mean like detecting it? Heck, I could see it from my back yard. You mean like shooting it down with a fighter jet? I guess now they know we have fighter jets with rockets. .
@nexus1g
Жыл бұрын
@@paulclarke3132 You good?
@VunderGuy
Жыл бұрын
The level of spin in your statement would have been passable if the morons at the pentagon weren't also propagating and losing a proxy war against an opponent they are admittedly too cowardly and incompetent to fight directly. An opponent also tied at the hip with the squinty eyes. So no, stick you're 'the spooks had good reason not to immediately blow that up when they had the chance. Trust me bro' and shove it. Like a normal functioning human being, most people are just going to rightly assume that this whole debacle is just more incompetence and cowardice.
@INOD-2
Жыл бұрын
I think our military was actually listening to the balloon and what it was transmitting back to China since well before it entered our airspace. If it was transmitting anything very sensitive, we certainly have the ability to jam the transmissions. Heck, we might have even hacked it and were sending the Chinese FAKE intel on it!
Absolutely the most stylish way to pop a balloon
Great video sir 👍.
F15: We dug the bullets out of that Iraqi family's skulls so they couldn't be traced back to us. F22: Today I saw a ballon
When I first. Heard about this I thought why are we not shooting it down right away. Then I thought about it and the safety issue came to mind, and I understood the hesitation. Then YOU said theres alot of info to hear what they're hearing... I never thought of that I'm not millitary background but thaaaat makes alot of sence! Thank you for putting situations like this into civilian terms. Love your channel
@jameswentz9460
Жыл бұрын
@@madisntit6547 any transmissions would be encrypted from that payload to a satellite the longer a signal is transmitted and intercepted the better chance of decrypting the signal and understanding what info. Was intercepted.
@jameswentz9460
Жыл бұрын
@@madisntit6547we do know it will never be published, and it shouldn't
One of the biggest reasons they didn't shoot it down over the main land that very few people have mentioned is because the equipment could have been powered by an RTG which contains plutonium. There was also the possibility that some of the maneuvering thrusters used hydrazine which is highly toxic and China uses a lot in their aerospace projects. In either case, its not something you want raining down from the sky on people and cities. That's not even considering the more basic threat of debris falling from miles up in the atmosphere. Waiting for it to go over the ocean was the right call.
@thedausthed
Жыл бұрын
Ahh yes, a solar powered RTG...
@INOD-2
Жыл бұрын
Could have also been packing a biological weapon. There are some who think the COVID-19 virus was deliberately Chinese man-made. I don't believe that, but this still could have been a "trial balloon" (so to speak) for the Chinese to see what the USA would do, and maybe send a "dirty" balloon in the future.
@hgbugalou
Жыл бұрын
@@thedausthed Because having more than 1 power system would be completely crazy on a military vehicle. 🙄 More over the point was we did not know what was on board the balloon and if it was dangerous.
@hgbugalou
Жыл бұрын
@@INOD-2 There are far easier and cheaper ways to spread a bio weapon than a balloon. Most pathogens would not survive the wild changes in temperature, pressure, and humidity being dropped from a balloon at that height while also being exposed to UV and cosmic radiation. Its much easier just to fly a few agents in on a commercial airline flight and have them release it in a large city.