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@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

1: Just make them from official tenders for the most part! I don’t commission anyone or anything like that. 2: Probably won’t be the next video but I do plan to cover Cream in the future. 3: you’d have to leave that with me to give it some proper thought. I’d just want Ryan Drummond, David Humphrey and Scott Drier etc back if I had my way! 😅

I love how when getting an E Rank on Heroes Omega says that he's a dissapointment to the legacy of Gamma and Beta meaning that between Badniks Gamma did became a legend I've always loved his story Great video guys

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hugo, glad you enjoyed it! I always loved that reference to him in Heroes and was always surprised that even Beta got a name drop. Especially considering Heroes was somewhat of a fresh slate.

@Protogen2021

5 ай бұрын

"I can't even beat Gamma or Beta."

Even as a kid I felt how tragic gamma story was he was a well written character and one of my favorite

@dark_nightwing_xl2797

2 жыл бұрын

His ending was sad tbh

@zacharykenniston748

5 ай бұрын

Actually his ending made me break down and cry as a 12 year old child and still haunts me to this day

@bluephoenix_z3364

Ай бұрын

​@@zacharykenniston748 DAMN! Womp womp!

The series had given us hints as to how ruthless Dr. Robotnik actually was as early as Sonic CD - in his dystopian future, Robotnik cares nothing for his creations and leaves them to rot as he rules the world. That being said, I do find it interesting how the Adventure games give us two different sides to the man. In SA1, Robotnik is absolutely ruthless and determined but SA2 humanizes him somewhat. He's still hell-bent on world domination, but we get to see his dedication to his grandfather and the revelation of just how deep Prof. Gerald's misanthropic insanity went shook him to his core and made him have serious second thoughts about his actions. I would also argue that the darker themes really did begin in Sonic CD. That game showed the full extent of Robotnik's ruthless drive while hammering in just how destructive he was. He created a ruined future ruled entirely by him and his pollution and negligence were actively rendering Little Planet uninhabitable. Had Sonic not stepped in to save the day, all life on Little Planet would've died out.

I'm not sure if what happened to Gamma in the end was "suicide" since it was Beta attacking him in a last act of jealousy that ultimately did him in. I think he actually didn't know what to do about the flicky trapped inside him, he was considering the option at the same time afraid to die so perhaps he could have gone to Amy and her friends for help, sadly that choice was ultimately taken away.

@mh123_yt

Жыл бұрын

Supposedly he was originally meant to shoot himself

@SonicRetros

Жыл бұрын

@@mh123_ytWOAH WHAT- that probably was too dark, so it had to be scrapped.

@SonicRetros

Жыл бұрын

I still believe that maybe, JUST maybe, That there was an alternate ending for gamma to survive. And if he did, he would be on sonics side. Even though I understand why he couldn’t survive, but it would of gave a bittersweet ending if he was kept alive, freeing the birdy, letting Amy find him, and be repaired, with a new power supply.

Ending almost made me cry as a kid, and it's crazy cause I feel it hits harder as an adult when you fully understand what's going on

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

100% agreed!

@dark_nightwing_xl2797

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

I think what also adds to what makes this story so fascinating is, as touched on earlier, there is no definitive answer to the question of is Gamma a A.I or the flicky instead him? Both answers are given tons of evidence to support either side and as a result we, the viewers, are invited to come to our own conclusions. Further leading to great character analyses like this one that goes for the AI option.

@TheSwordsman100

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 Yet Gamma reacts to the picture of the Flicky family and instead of just flying away never to be seen again like the rest of it's family, the Flicky inside Gamma is present for the cast reunion in the Super Sonic portion, accompanying Amy in particular. It isn't as clear cut as you make it out to be. Either option can be valid.

@A.R.T.4

2 жыл бұрын

I personally prefer to think of the Flicky as a power source since in my opinion, it makes Gamma’s story that much more remarkable that a machine designed for killing could develop a sense of morals against his design and allow himself to be destroyed ultimately because he felt it was the right thing to do…again against his very design.

@bunsmasterbunny

2 жыл бұрын

The Creators words/Japanese version implies he’s the Flicky. They’ve said that “Gamma is alongside the other characters as the bird in the ending.”

@zacharykenniston748

5 ай бұрын

I think gamma is a separate being. It’s also a lot more impactful if he died as a broken AI than the bird. The bird was a power source.

Ad a kid, I never beat SA1. I got close! But never had the patience to complete Big's route. So i never got the mind-blowing firsthand experience of fighting Perfect Chaos. That said, and maybe *because* I missed out on such a major event, the one thing that has stuck with me from the game throughout my life is Gamma. Even as a child I was in awe of how he progressed and overrode his own programming, and to this day he remains one my favorite Sonic characters (if not my #1).

I knew the basic synopsis of Gamma’s story but I never understood why ppl loved this character so much but after this video I truly understand especially since he made a full 360 and ended his story where it all began, that’s some beautiful story telling even for a robot!!💔😭

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Really glad that I could play any part in spreading appreciation for this story! It’s a beautiful story indeed.

When I beat gamma story as a five-year-old. I thought it was stupid but now that I’m older, he’s one of the best written sonic characters.

Honestly, even if other people don't think it's the case, I always saw E-123 Omega as the living legacy of E-102 Gamma. In my perspective, Gamma and Omega are the same character but in different models. As soon as Gamma dies and Omega was born, Omega still have the consciousness of Gamma's past and Eggman's cruelty on his E series brothers. Giving the reason why Omega wants to terminate Eggman. Gamma didn't really die, his soul is still inside of Omega. That's how I see it. Great video btw guys! Great work!

@SkippytWalrus

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I've always seen it as a tragic continuation. Here gamma has the resolve to save the flickies trapped in him and his "brothers" for the sake of doing good. In typical Eggman fashion, he twists that good natured mission into an unbridled killing machine in Omega. Now it seems Omega is driven by revenge or even rage at Eggman instead of this good natured mission of freeing those opressed by Eggman. It gives him and shadow a little symmetry in heroes, if you want to take the story a bit more seriously than sonic team did.

@WolforNuva

2 жыл бұрын

I would disagree with you on that. Omega and Gamma have very different personalities and objectives; Omega doesn't turn because of any cruelty on Eggman's part, to themselves or to other robots, Omega turns because he thinks he's hot shit and his potential was wasted away guarding some random room away from the action (though knowing that was the real Shadow in there honestly makes that job a lot more important in hindsight), and stays with Dark afterwards because of the bonds that formed during the game. Omega is also much more aggressive than Gamma ever was, where Gamma went through their mission motivated by empathy to save the animals inside the robots and trying to help his kin, Omega absolutely revels in destroying any Eggman robot in front of him for the sake of just ripping them apart and proving he's the superior robot. Nah to me Omega is not Gamma, but rather Gamma's little brother; an aggressive but loveable little shit that just wants to be seen and acknowledged, and the only one left to continue the legacy for them both.

@UltimateTS64

2 жыл бұрын

@@WolforNuva yeah I'm with you, Omega even references Gamma in one of his quotes if you get an E rank on a stage where he says he couldn't beat Gamma or Beta. I do like this idea though because it symbolizes being a new person and having fresh beginnings, but I don't think that's what it is

@KingdomHeartsBrawler

2 жыл бұрын

@@WolforNuva Yeah, Gamma and Omega are very different. Gamma's a pensive, reluctant warrior whereas Omega is a trigger-happy psycho who basically learned how to be good.

I remember seeing that scene of E102 when he happens upon the scrap metal and rebuilding of E101 when i was 11 years old and just finding it so dark and traumatic at the time

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Even kids can tell that scene is very unsettling. It lingers for so long and the music helps communicate how wrong it is.

@PaulPower4

2 ай бұрын

@@AceCardGaming Followed by the incredible deadpan black comedy of "This is the wrong room."

Ah yes, the prototype of E-123 Omega.

Sonic Adventure is still my favourite Sonic game to this day. I think it did a lot of justice for characters like Gamma, Tails, Amy and Eggman.

Can confirm: the Discord server is very nice and has possibly the best name for a Sonic server I have seen so far. It has been very good to see the appreciation for Gamma and his story not only be consistent, but seem to even grow over the years. I enjoyed Gamma's design and gameplay as a kid, but I never really appreciated his story until I was a teenager. I am apparently the outlier there; so many people I hear speak about Gamma's story talk about the emotional effect it had on them as a kid and how it was the first game to have such an effect on them. Very nice to see you collaborate with Suris again. I hope we get to hear him again one day on the AceCardGaming channel.

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Someone finally appreciates the Dicord server name! :D Glad you're enjoying it. It's still great that you discovered the deeper aspects of the story! Some people never revisit it after their first attempt!

@ArtHollow

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceCardGaming Dude, of course! The name of your Discord server brought me a bit more joy than it probably should have when I first saw it. I really enjoy it. And true. I hadn't thought about that but you're right; I can't imagine how many people must have played Gamma's story once and never replayed it in the years following.

@ArtHollow

2 жыл бұрын

@Lulu Moppet Interesting, interesting. Honestly, until this video, I didn't even know that Gamma was in Sonic X - I never made it very far into the series back in the day. His arc in Archie sounds crazy, so I wonder how they translated him into the anime.

@ArtHollow

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 I am slowly making my way through GoldenBolt's videos. His Adventure one keeps popping up in my reccomended so I will certainly be checking it out myself one day.

Videos like this really are proof that there is so much more to the Sonic series than people give it credit for. The stories, the characters, even the world that they inhabit have so much to enjoy and analyse. It's just too bad that a lot of people completely missed this, because they were too busy bashing the buttons and going "Urgh, stupid cut scenes! Yeah, blah blah blah, I don't care! Just let me play the game!" Or even worse, there were likely people who just played Sonic's campaign and just went "There! I completed the game! I'm not even gonna bother playing as Sonic's lame-o friends, they suck!" This wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't for the fact that it feels like Sega are trying to appease these kinds of people, particularly the people who say "Stories in a Sonic game don't matter!" It just isn't doing the series any favours.

Gamma is so underated

It's so crazy that they were able to put this much emotional storytelling into a side characters plot is insane. There's so much to breakdown here and you guys did such a good job with it, it's a shame we don't get stories like this anymore. I have a thought tho, have ANY of the characters improved since their initial introduction? Surely there's at least one character who's had multiple appearances and improved in some way? It's very unfortunate that this is the case with the series and it went in a different direction writing wise. Thank you for the video!

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

In the games? I honestly don’t think there is. Through their lack of use and check box appearances pretty much every supporting character has declined. Unfortunate indeed! Glad you enjoyed the video though dude! 😁

@extremmefan7305

2 жыл бұрын

Afaik, they, at best, stagnated (such as with the Chaotix and Blaze; still a better fate than what happened to Shadow/Tails/Amy though).

@WaterKirby1994

2 жыл бұрын

Cream hasn't even been in this series the past 10 Years. Regardless while some characters may have improved since their debut like Amy the 2010s Decade Games only hurt the characters of this series that were given focus during that era.

I get too emotional every time I think about gamma's story 😢

You know what’s crazy? I played this saga so many times and didn’t notice how dark that story line really was… lol

Great video as always! Really enjoyed the collab between you guys, and the in depth look at Gamma's story. Can't wait for the next video!

Gamma had the best story hands down its actually deep

This story changed me as a kid

the sonic robot usually have the best stories it seems. gamma, emerl, gemerl, metal sonic.

Have you ever thought about making a "Why Rouge The Bat is/may be important to the Sonic The Hedgehog series"; I see most people write her off as just eye-candy and fanservice and I wonder what you think, whether what most people write her off as is true or not and how Rouge's character could evolve.

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll definitely be covering Rouge at some point. Just a matter of time 🙂

13:07 Yeah, I agree that there are a lot of instances where you come up short when asking yourself why do you do the things that you do For example: Why do I, pay taxes?

If my Sonic video essays are even a fraction of the quality of yours, I'll be satisfied.

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

You’re very kind, thank you! And I’m glad you enjoyed the video 🙂

@RosheenQuynh

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceCardGaming You're very welcome! ☺️

I hoping that you get that comment and gamma sure has a great dark past and amy seeing the good in gamma so I'm starting to have gamma as one of my favorite characters!

Great video man

GAMMA O A T

When Gamma exploded, my heart broke.😭😭

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

For real! Honestly as heartbreaking as when I first thought Shadow was dead. Except far more conclusive!

I loved the analysis. This was the first game I ever completed, and as a dumb, mindless 8 y/o kid with 0 expectations I was surprised to be crying by the time the story had ended. It's so tragic and communicated in such a subtle way that anyone, even a kid, can understand its impact.

I love gamma, he’s in my top 5 favorite sonic characters

Gammas story in one word GAMMA OPPOSING A TYRANT

I always thought that chaos energy (from Chaos Emerald in case of Gamma and from Chaos Core in case of Omega) influenced the programming of Eggman's robots. And that was (at least partial) reason why they started to think outside their original programming.

I think the best way to get sonic the hedgehog back on track and keep it on track is to have someone like Ian Flynn. Write the story then have the team in Japan build the gameplay to accommodate the story and not the other way around.

I do like and love E-123 Omega. But I still miss E-102 Gamma.

@CoffeeManiac20

5 ай бұрын

I always thought that Omega has the design of Gamma and Beta. Destructive power of Beta and the drive of Gamma to destroy all Eggman’s robots (the E-100 series) it has the Color Scheme of Gamma as an homage. Also in Sonic Heroes if you get a low Ranking as Team Dark, he says “I couldn’t beat Gamma or Betta” so he must know their history

Gamma’s story is kind of similar to x49 from Samurai Jack.

@chi-wind8593

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 yep.

@chi-wind8593

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 yeah that’s true

I hope that I can make a comment and gamma is just awesome and his story is the most fantastic chapter so I hope to hear about blaze! 🤖❤👍🤩

It says something when the most developed character, in a franchise of mostly anthropomorphic animals, is a robot.

@PaulPower4

2 ай бұрын

Heck, in Adventure specifically, it probably helps Gamma (and the Doc and even Big to a degree) that they don't have the comically overexaggerated facial expressions that Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy get.

Most people forget just how dark Sonic Adventure got through the stories of Gamma & Tikal who also wasn't canonically seen again after the events of that game. A mistake was made in the video in that Gamma's 1st Orders were to go through the shooting gallery in Final Egg before having the fight against Beta. I'm hoping the Tikal Video acknowledges just how dark her backstory was having her father & his soldiers trample her & the chao she was friends with before the creature that seemed to be her best friend committed genocide against her race. People forget just how dark the last story of Sonic Adventure was.

I think the reason Omega continues to stay in his capsule is because instead of desiring release and freedom he want revenge against eggman for the awful treatment and abandonment.

Gamma's ending broke my heart in a good way.

Wait if Gamma is powered by a bird wouldn’t Omega be powered similar to gamma?

@AceCardGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Chaos Drives became a thing in SA2. It’s never specifically said but it’s a strong likelihood that’s what powers Omega.

Gamma always reminded me of android 16 from Dragon Ball Z as they both choose their own paths, died as heroes and loved nature

@Ritomakesvidz

6 ай бұрын

They also both questioned their own existence

Good vid

Gamma seems like a good boy

...well.....he didn't commit suicide, he was gravely wounded by Beta. After the last battle, Beta landed a final shot on Gamma and that's what killed him. Either way, Gamma's story was sad and very heatwarmingly bittersweet.

@Canalbiruta

Жыл бұрын

Yeah like, he didn't kill himself, but i would argue he really intended to do it, since some of the moments after freeing himself from eggman show him contemplating what he's gonna do after everyone is free, and agknowledgin that his fate shouldn't be different than his brothers. The moment before the fight with beta, where he thinks of who were left and he thinks of beta and afterwards himself, while looking at his own hand, is pretty telling

@Anto4writting

Жыл бұрын

Not So Fun fact : the original draft for that scene was just gamma watching beta die slowly before turning around walking foward a few steps before using his gun to shoot himself open

Wasn’t the first dark story the echidna tribe? Unless you mean like actual established story for a charactee

I hope that you'll get this comment and gamma is one of my favorite character and he's has a dark history!

What if there was a way to modify the E series robots so that they could be powered by a different power source instead of living creatures and that tales could help with that because who else could and then gamma could defeat his siblings so that they could be modified, and then he could be modifiedalso it begs the question of whether or not there is a tiny critter inside Omega

He a good 👍 💖 robot character

Sonic 2: am i a joke to you?

Same for emerl in sonic battle… Sega really does like killing off sonic robot characters do they? Edit: btw who also calls the pink flicky Kokoro/Heart?

I recommend using the original japanese stories of the sonic games and not english ones i understand you maybe dont know japanese and that is why you dont use them but windii has translated lot of the japanese cutscenes. (unfortunately most of her videos were deleted but there are some repost i have made a playlist of most of the reposts.) but other than that good video. There are also a few retranslated mods you can use. And the voice acting is just way better.

Well He is in the mobile game after 15 years of irrelevance

Gamma>>>>Orbot and Cubot

@PaulPower4

2 ай бұрын

Eh, don't get me wrong, Gamma is easily my favourite Sonic character... but I do like Orbot and Cubot a lot too. Ever since the SatAM vs AoStH days there's been room for a serious side and a comical side to the Sonic franchise, and Orbot and Cubot carry on that Scratch-and-Grounder legacy.

This video really said f the comics 😂 that aside, e-102y is an awesome character.

bro wtf is that dudes avatar,.,,, aw hell nawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Gamma didn't commit suicide in any capacity, though he was surely considering it. His life came to an end shortly after taking a direct hit from Beta, who launched one last-ditch effort to kill the one he was envious of. I'm not really sure how you guys got this confused, or why you quickly glossed over the fight with Beta while ignoring that key moment of his final attack, but this was a great video otherwise that helped me not only revisit Gamma's story, but appreciate it all the more than I already did before.

Wait, Suicide? I thought Gamma succumbed to his injuries from the fatal blow he got from Beta

@anon3631

Жыл бұрын

I think Beta wasn't trying to stop him, both of them just wanted to die.

@AFreakinProblem

7 ай бұрын

Beta got the killing blow on him in the final game, but originally he was supposed to shoot himself in order to free the flicky powering him. Too dark for Sega’s flagship E-rated title.

@PaulPower4

2 ай бұрын

I do wonder if Gamma could potentially have self-repaired from said fatal blow, the way he seems to after the fight with Sonic, say. But in the end he chose to free his flicky and complete his self-imposed "mission".