The Final Word on Mark Driscoll and John Lindell's Stronger Men's Conference

Pastor John Lindell airs out Pastor Mark Driscoll text messages and tries to use against him. #fyp #controversy #churchdrama #menofgod #markdriscoll #mensconference #menstripper #revival #rebuke #strongermensconference2024 #viral #jezebel #swordswallowing #poles #poledance #poledancer #demonic #matthew18 #falseprophet #holyspirit

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  • @budowens6478
    @budowens6478Ай бұрын

    My son went to James River college and was an intern under the Lindell’s. So sad to say but this church is way off track, you do what you’re told to do and ask no questions. There are so much more but I’m not getting into all that. The Lindell’s have so much pride and power in Springfield Mo. I hope and pray the good Lord will soften their hearts.

  • @roxannasymanski1754
    @roxannasymanski1754Ай бұрын

    You gentlemen did a good job of making Biblical points regarding the very wrong committed in Lindell’s Men’s Conference. Mark Driscoll seemed pretty humble and broken for the Church. Even people who don’t go to Church were appalled at this sword swallowing Circus act!! Mario Murillo is showing what REAL men of God must become, (humble and broken) in Jesus’ Holy Name-Amen!

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you! I do love Mario and his humble heart for the kingdom! I pray more of the church can come to humility and repentance. Blessings

  • @sallymae6812
    @sallymae6812Ай бұрын

    The text conversation between Mark and John's son, should never have been aired publicly. We also don't know what conversations had previously taken place between Mark and John's son that prompted the texts. Mark said nothing in text that was out of line with the warning against the Jezebel spirit he was pointing out. Since the incident Mark has said nothing publicly regarding the situation.

  • @cathyarvin8239
    @cathyarvin8239Ай бұрын

    Mark spoke privately he did not air it. John was wrong to publish private messages.

  • @user-jd5ev3fi2t
    @user-jd5ev3fi2tАй бұрын

    Where is their relationship with Jesus, haven’t heard a word about Jesus. Pastor Lindell needs to draw closer to Jesus, pride is not of Jesus. They need a relationship with Jesus!!!

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    If Jesus isn't in it then it's going to fall flat if you're using his name. Lots of evidence of that. Keep praying.

  • @carsracingnetwork
    @carsracingnetworkАй бұрын

    John Lindell should be asked this, would you do this kind of act in your church if Jesus Christ was in the the crowd with all the others? Wether its a monster truck rally or sword swallower, people go to church to feed their sole and hear the word of God. NOT to be entertained by anything but the words of the Bible and great teachings. Mark Driscoll delivers the word and great teachings. Im not saying Mark is perfect, were all flawed but John Lindell is deliberately sending the wrong message with his choices of entertainment or words. John Lindell keeps focusing on the wrong things instead of moving on and continuing to preach the word of God.

  • @MrFarr007
    @MrFarr007Ай бұрын

    This is the most genuine response to the incident. We are divided from the world to bring the light of God to the world. And everyone that had something to say, are saying something about the two pastors. God is a respector of no man, He will use whom he deems fit for his command.

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    Amen!

  • @MenOfVirtue
    @MenOfVirtueАй бұрын

    A few points: 1/ The question of the nature of the pole dancing performance has to be clearly addressed - in short, is Mark's accusation true, or is it not true? 2/ John's dishonesty regarding personal details about the performer needs addressed (the performer has since come out and disproved some of what John claimed about the performer in his accusations against Mark). 3/ John's claim that he is above criticism or questioning because he is 'anointed', needs to be addressed. 4/ Looking through a lens of what Mark believes to be true, in that John's behavior is inexcusable in exposing his congregation to what he did and then his behavior afterwards, why is it dishonest for Mark to try to 'depose' John, as it were? If Mark truly feels that John's teaching, behavior, and leadership were leading people astray, or is even dangerous, why would it be dishonest of him to try to have him removed from authority? Wouldn't that be his moral obligation? People can disagree with those judgments about John, and say Mark is wrong about those things, but it's disingenuous to claim Mark is being deceptive or dishonest in what he did. In Mark's own mind, if he believes these things about John and the performance to be true, it's his moral obligation to do something about it. I understand Mark is a contentious figure, and there are accusations against some of his questionable behavior in the past, and even recent past, but I think ad hominem attacks are unproductive, and the merits of what both John and Mark have said and done in this situation should be what is focused on. And with an objective look at everything that happened, I think Mark did nothing wrong, in any way.

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    The one thing I wish Mark had not done is text Johns son. If he did that and I believe he did. That's unnecessary, he would have been better off in my opinion not saying anything directly to the Lindells after they reconciled on stage. I would have preferred he make a public statement about his stance on the situation than go after the family. But my desire is the two of them privately talk and this drama doesn't continue to be public.

  • @MenOfVirtue

    @MenOfVirtue

    Ай бұрын

    @@Genxpastor So that's more a question of methods, than an implication of dishonesty on Mark's part. I can accept people didn't like his method, of approaching John's son. I disagree, I see it as basically 6 one way, half a dozen the other. There are definitely pros and cons both ways. Talking privately about it to them definitely has it's drawbacks too, particularly because John seems to be intensely resistant to being held accountable to any judgment on this at all. Just listen to his 'repentance' on this - what he repented for, was inviting Mark to the conference! He didn't repent on the performance at all. It would certainly be to his advantage, to keep this as private as possible, because in my opinion, the more eyes that get on this issue, the more people will see just how inappropriate it was to have that performer do what he did, and John would be held accountable. And John is incredibly sensitive to judgment about that, it seems. To the point he's calling himself 'anointed', and thus beyond reproach or criticism. Which is a crazy notion.

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    Sure mark was right with his spiritual assessment of the situation. But in my opinion he didn't need to start texting Johns son. It's just a matter of knowing when and who to speak to. Mark has a platform he should have just waited a few days and then put out a video.

  • @MenOfVirtue

    @MenOfVirtue

    Ай бұрын

    @@Genxpastor Reasonable people can disagree on that, for sure. I think that's more than fair. I see the argument from both sides on that part of it. I'm glad you agree in Mark's read on the situation generally though. The performance was a real problem, and John's actions in defending it and everything else he's said just keeps getting worse. I'm deeply troubled by that side of it.

  • @christiney2587

    @christiney2587

    5 күн бұрын

    @@Genxpastor I think that it's more important for Mark to follow what he thinks the Holy Spirit is leading him to say or do. I understand after all that Pastor Lyndell said that the James River church is important enough to try to save. I hope that all will pray for Pastor Lyndell to be convicted and repent, but until that happens, there are many in that church who might leave or feel that no ministry can be trusted. Thank you for your insights and opinions.

  • @oldandgrey7099
    @oldandgrey7099Ай бұрын

    Pastors, thank your for a Biblical response to this sad situation. It is a call for us to live our directive to be Priests and Kings to God because of Jesus sacrifice. I need to be reminded of the awesome responsibility bestowed upon my life to live out His calling. I have been in the Pro Audio business for over 30 years and have installed sound systems in some of the most notable churches in this country. It breaks my heart to see tools used as an "attraction" to visit or decide to attend a given church. Despite my chosen profession, I hear Jesus' words to His disciples that He must be lifted up and He will draw all men unto himself. Of course, He was speaking of the cross but the thought remains that we preach Christ crucified and then He WILL draw all men. Forgotten message from many pulpits today. Thank you for serving faithfully and preaching Christ crucified!

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    Blessings to you. And thank you for your comment, Im every church you have installed equipment in has been blessed by your service. Keep the prayers going for todays church and the pastors all over the country it's getting closer and closer to the return of our king.!! Take care...

  • @user-jf5ir2er3e
    @user-jf5ir2er3eАй бұрын

    I wanted to know what mark was going to say about the sword before he was interrupted and let’s face it Peter used a sword and Jesus rebuke Peter 😊

  • @user-kp6ug7fe7h
    @user-kp6ug7fe7hАй бұрын

    Elijah wasn't hesitant or apologetic about calling this stuff out

  • @locophoto6881
    @locophoto6881Ай бұрын

    God is not “all about reconciliation” ….God is about ALL the aspects of His Glory including pruning and rebuke and taking after giving ….John Lindell is incompetent as a “pastor” and not showing one aspect of Godly behavior or judgement or leadership or humility or even honesty about who the male stripper is or even being honest with his supposed “taking responsibility” and then blaming Driscoll some more ….Lindell should be fired plain and simple. God rejects in Beautiful Good just as well as He accepts in Beautiful Good. Lindell is the one hanging up on the supposed call of God to become a pastor. Disconnection accepted.

  • @marcinance9586
    @marcinance9586Ай бұрын

    Sooo… what about those of us who have experienced what John is capable of? Are we not to tell our experience in the interest of warning others to stay away from him???

  • @57ccrider

    @57ccrider

    4 күн бұрын

    What John is capable of? So John is where the power is? I thought it was the Holy Spirit working.

  • @marcinance9586

    @marcinance9586

    4 күн бұрын

    @@57ccrider apparently you do not understand the power that a narcissist wields. He is capable of convincing anyone if anting that he wants them to believe. He gets what he wants. Remember, the devil has power too…zzz and when someone gives him more authority than the Holy Spirit in their life… he can do tremendous damage. That’s why these false teachers and prophets are so dangerous. Too many Christian’s are not mature enough to recognize the difference between the power of Satan and the Peter of the Holy Spirit. There are countless reasons for that immaturity: new believer, attend a church wherever discernment is not taught, the believer has become lazy in their walk with the Lord… who knows why… that’s not the point. The fact remains that they cannot d discern the difference, so they fall for anything they are fed. They will blindly follow their “leaderl even though he/she is leading them straight to the pit of hell. That is exactly what John Lindell is .. And what he is doing.

  • @julieosmondson5180
    @julieosmondson5180Ай бұрын

    Insightful comments.

  • @billierenshaw3302
    @billierenshaw3302Ай бұрын

    We , as the church need to get out of the “pig pen “ go back to THE FATHERS HOUSE ,and be about our FATHERS BUSINESS 🥰🙏🩸

  • @57ccrider
    @57ccriderАй бұрын

    Been all through JRA building and there isn't one single cross in that place.

  • @debbywilliams3123

    @debbywilliams3123

    Ай бұрын

    There are a lot of churches that don’t have crosses . That doesn’t mean God not there .

  • @lesleydestartay5339

    @lesleydestartay5339

    24 күн бұрын

    That's the whole reason for church, it depicts Gods love for us by sacrificing His one and only Son. We need to be reminded of this daily.

  • @christiney2587

    @christiney2587

    5 күн бұрын

    I went to a Messianic congregation where there were no crosses. A cross reminded some there of how their parents and relatives were horrifically murdered by Hitler. I gave my cross away even though I thoroughly believe it's a big part of my own eternal salvation. Each pastor and congregation should be able to follow exactly what they believe the Holy spirit is leading? Only after I went to that congregation did I realize reasons to live and share God's/YHWH's ministry to those traumatized by it. @57ccrider, thanks for posting! Most feel like you do IMO.

  • @marypetriglia9910
    @marypetriglia9910Ай бұрын

    Nobody is saying anything about the man that was brought in the meeting …

  • @ubergenie6041
    @ubergenie6041Ай бұрын

    They are both emotional babies😮 It is NOT there ministry or their churches…they have both demonstrated the types of character flaws that 1 Tim 3 rules out as leaders😮 Their respective boards should pull Rivers for lying about the individual he hired as entertainment being a Christian or having a family etc. Driscoll did what he always does …showboating and one-upping his fellow pastors😮 Pathetically childish and extremely arrogant are not qualifications for leaders😮 How much more pastoral malpractice must their respective churches endure?

  • @kathystevens7532
    @kathystevens753228 күн бұрын

    I have never heard of you two pastors, but I too like what you have said. Every gathering should be about God. Anything else is in the "Soap Opera" camp. As God told Joshua when they were cleaning out the Promised Land and had never lost a man while battling the giants except for one little town called Aei. Joshua asked God why he lost so many men there, God said, "There is sin in your camp." We must be wary of disobeying God in any way. Nobody can tell me that God sanctioned the fleshly entertainment. He is a fun God, but sliding further down the hole to hell and offering titillating previews is not God's idea of fun. Somebody (nobody) went to God for His approval before booking the "acts." It was a farce and thus a fiasco. Mark was totally right in calling it out. It seems that he was the only one there who was listening. In agroup of 6000 men SOMEBODY should have been listening -- especially in a AOG gathering. I am SO disappointed in them all, as I am quite sure God is. He will be talking to each and every one of them, thanks to Mark putting a light on them. All of the prophets I have heard recently have said that He was going to separate the wheat from the chaff beginning with His own house! It has begun. People need to get off of the fence. Choose ye today whom you will serve!

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    28 күн бұрын

    Thank you for sharing. God bless you.

  • @MXNERD
    @MXNERDАй бұрын

    Why do these Pastors feel the need to to claim both had pride. Be balanced is a copout. By your own admission Mark Driscoll has said nothing to defame Lindell. He merely called out the bad spirit. Yet for some reason even though Lindell has acted completely inappropriately, you claim both were wrong. How?

  • @Genxpastor

    @Genxpastor

    Ай бұрын

    Mark should have never sent texts toJohns son. That's why he was wrong,

  • @Deacondan240

    @Deacondan240

    17 күн бұрын

    @@Genxpastor - we don’t know the follow up discussion and context of those texts. He was having a private convo with ppl who asked him to come and who he had a rebuke. Again, the Lindells refused the correction. Driscoll has so far kept his word and not gone public.

  • @Deacondan240

    @Deacondan240

    17 күн бұрын

    Lindell- I take full responsibility … but not for the decision to invite Magella. You are right, the son made the call and daddy is protecting. Still no responsibility for the bad decision of allowing an inappropriate act.

  • @smithaday9225
    @smithaday9225Ай бұрын

    Here is the mistake it's not men and their churches. People coming together to fellowship is church. Church created the western way with pulpit and chairs facing one-way is from Constantinople who adopted in from his entertainment days.

  • @NancyWilliams-xv9fb
    @NancyWilliams-xv9fbАй бұрын

    Sad part is there were kids and women there also!

  • @johnsainz3056
    @johnsainz3056Ай бұрын

    One Church mouse Rebuked another. Now all the Church mice are aghast.

  • @jimmyjohn4093
    @jimmyjohn4093Ай бұрын

    Obviously God is separating the real goats from the sheep.....Lindell has a goatish spirit.

  • @marcinance9586

    @marcinance9586

    Ай бұрын

    It’s not just a “goatish spirit”. John Lindell is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is a pathological liar. His mask simply fell down… My husband and I ran afoul of him 27 years ago…he lied about is from the pulpit and inappropriately used Matthew 18 against us. We are STILL trying to recover from that mess.

  • @marcinance9586

    @marcinance9586

    Ай бұрын

    Well that’s interesting… I made a comment earlier, but now it’s not there. I basically said that Lindell doesn’t have a goatish spirit… Rather he is actually a false teacher… a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is an arrogant narcissist and pathological liar. My husband and I ran afoul of him nearly 30 years ago - in his early years at James River. We only attended there for two years, but much of that time was spent being informed after seeking help from him, and then when we found help elsewhere (through other Christian organizations/friendships/doctors, etc) we were bullied to a point of no return - He PURPOSELY LIED ABOUT US - FROM THE PULPIT - and incorrectly applied and executed Matthew 18 against us. Not dissimilar to what he did to Mark.

  • @marcinance9586

    @marcinance9586

    Ай бұрын

    Interesting

  • @DebbieClemmer
    @DebbieClemmerАй бұрын

    Niv was liar form start