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@AxxLAfriku

3 жыл бұрын

thanks

@ilovemusic3584

3 жыл бұрын

Can you please put non auto-generated captions?

@slyceth

3 жыл бұрын

the only final girl i know is from fractured but whole, never heard of final girl before that!!!! NOBODY has.

@Miss1Vogue

3 жыл бұрын

yay thanks

@TheWonderGirl23

3 жыл бұрын

The Final Girl was a great 👍🏾 topic to talk about on the month of October

Ah the Final Girl...the ultimate grey area in film between sexism and feminism.

@sarroumarbeu6810

3 жыл бұрын

Where's the lie 😂😂 but some movies clearly give empowerment vibes so that's good? I guess...

@camelopardalis84

3 жыл бұрын

The use of the word "girl" is part of that. Adult females are women.

@kohlcooke8789

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, its real hard to tell whether the trope is feminist or just sexist. On the one hand, modern final girls tend to be resourceful, smart, and tough, which could point to feminism, but many final girls need to be saved by men or just escape by chance. Plus the existence of the trope at all and most other girls in horror films just being idiotic, sexualized stereotypes points toward some sexism.

@kerri6011

3 жыл бұрын

@@camelopardalis84 some are teenagers

@madelinequinn5879

3 жыл бұрын

​@@kohlcooke8789 I think also when it comes to older movies, what was once considered progressive is now not so much, in other words the feminist bar was much lower back then. I just watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre again the other day, some of it reads as "see? this is patriarchy and it sucks" and "look! she was able to escape and jump through a window TWICE to save her ass! isnt that badass?" but from a modern perspective it's like "well yeah but if the guy in the pickup truck didn't happen to come along she ultimately wouldnt have escaped." it's definitely a mixed bag but as long as theyre not depicted as helpless and useless i'm happy

The new version of the final girl trope feels strangely uplifting, like "I've gone through some insane traumatic shit, but I got out"

@anoni6108

3 жыл бұрын

I mean would you even want to live after going through that

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think Laurie Strode is the perfect example of the full "Final Girl" evolution, as she ceases to be the scared damsel in distress, and becomes a badass, ass kicking lady! 💪

@madelinequinn5879

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinaq Hell yes! When i grow up I want to be the older version of Laurie Strode

@icedoatmilklatte910

3 жыл бұрын

This instantly made me think of Dani in Midsommar 💐🐻🔥

@madelinequinn5879

3 жыл бұрын

@@anoni6108 Well, it's nice to have the option. i see your point tho

Being a final girl is not always a win, in lots of cases it’s a punishment. Notice how the men in some of these movies get to die “easy,, whilst the final girl is beaten, tortured (often in a sexual manner) and watches all of her friends die. Sometimes when you’re the last one standing, you’re not triumphing over evil but rather getting completely broken by it.

@ariannamyrie9520

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the survivor's guilt.

@feliscatus7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@ariannamyrie9520 exactly, so many sequels are built on that it’s crazy

@TheGhostofMrArthurs

3 жыл бұрын

...........................

@nowwhat8209

3 жыл бұрын

Well, ask yourself...would you rather survive and have to work through the trauma, with the (perhaps low?) chance of recovering and attaining happiness...or just die? It's a subjective answer. But honestly, people who argue that intense trauma is unarguably worse than death...they honestly baffle me. I think people with that mentality probably don't value life that much...

@feliscatus7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@nowwhat8209 I’m not talking about real life, for me it’s more symbolistic than that. These movies usually don’t deal with the victim’s trauma afterwards, we only see them right after they survive these events, we only see them suffer. Maybe they end up winning, but their fight turns into torture porn for the audience, because our society likes seeing unruly people (especially women) get punished.

I realize that I've never seen male characters screaming and crying as much as female characters while being chased by a serial killer.

@yikes_1219

3 жыл бұрын

Just watch Nightmare on Elm Street 2

@ftygdfrygg6622

3 жыл бұрын

@@yikes_1219 lol the final guy was the best

@PatrickWDunne

3 жыл бұрын

Watch Evil Dead 2.

@sergios.saldana5445

3 жыл бұрын

Hostel could be an option

@lochofmceo

3 жыл бұрын

@@yikes_1219 he was gay

I would be careful not to denigrate the pacifist final girl. You say she is saved by chance, but she was saved because she ran away. She made the positive action to leave the home of the killer. She could have tried to stay in fight she chose to run. Running is the right choice because that is his home. That is why she is in danger. He's always existed, but now she's in his home and she's going to die. How she got there is important, but it doesn't change that she made a positive decision to take action and run away. That's pacifism that's not regressive. She rescued herself.

@glauciamsq

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I am the pacifist girl kkkkkkk and we're always looked down upon as if we're lesser and "not feminists" for being non-agressive. Which is bullshit.

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

@@glauciamsq I hear you on this point so very hard!

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely think you managed to capture the conflicting elements of not just the trope, but the lens we all need to utilize when watching each movie alone. I'm really glad they touched upon race and the social upheaval that our society is undergoing for the betterment of true progress.

@allisonlee5251

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes its just plain dumb and asking for a death wish to play as the hero. Realistically the one who runs away as far as possible from the danger will be generally the smartest and the safest living to tell the tale. People even say that in self defense, only do so it enough to allow your attack to let you escape and run the hell away since fighting to the death is too risky. Pacifist girl is fine, not all girls need to fight physically to be considered strong. She is the one who is alive so she calls the shots over the one who goes back and most likely dies. Better to be alive and a subjective “weak” female character than one who died in vain. Especially after getting out the first time only to go back without a good reason or backup

@alexluzula7031

3 жыл бұрын

I think Sally from Texas Chainsaw Massacre fits this. While she’s not as badass as Laurie or Sidney, she still holds her own: she overcomes witnessing the death of her friends and little brother, being terrorized by the Sawyers, and manages to escape twice! She threw herself out a window twice! Sure, she failed the first time, but the sheer fact she held out as opposed to giving in must have been badass at the time. And it’s the tenacity and endurance to survive that saves her in the end.

What I love about the first Texas Chainsaw, is that Sally isn’t the typical final girl. She clearly isn’t a virgin, she’s kinda mean to her brother and kinda annoying sometimes. Yet she wants to survive and fights hard in order to make it. And that’s what makes her one of the most awesome final girls of all times. RIP, Marilyn Burns. PS. Sorry for my english, I’m from Mexico.

@madelinequinn5879

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@jaycievictory8461

3 жыл бұрын

Your English is literally perfect 💛

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

3 жыл бұрын

Actually your English looks and reads better than most US born citizens :) I love your piece about Sally. Also RIP Marilyn Burns

@toomuchinformation

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 The people who apologise for their English are usually very fluent. It's the ones who aren't who don't apologise and native speakers who are barely literate or coherent.

@moonlily1

3 жыл бұрын

However, all the men in Texas Chainsaw Massacre are killed relatively quickly or off camera; it is the women who are singled out for torment.

"Unlike her friends, this girl isn't into sex or even dating." Like I know it wasn't the creators' intention at all, but this makes me think.... "So that's where the asexual/aromantic representation has been hiding" :)

@missj794

3 жыл бұрын

Ya, I always liked these types of characters because I could relate.

@roy.shrestha

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr 😍

@eatyourcereal6577

3 жыл бұрын

Yayyy (I‘m bi but it’s good that u guys get representation u honestly need more)

@ruthielalastor2209

3 жыл бұрын

Shoutout to the aces for surviving and outlasting the rest of us. 💀

@tiffanypersaud3518

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same, myself. The ACE up their sleeves.

This video made me realize that Rose Armitage from Get Out is a subversion of the Final Girl-she makes it to the end of an outsider’s murdering spree, except that she herself is the real monster and the ‘slasher’ is our protagonist acting in self-defense. She also invokes Missing White Woman Syndrome as the final trick up her sleeve, which helps to show that the real villain is not violence, but racism

@morethanyourbasics

3 жыл бұрын

but the main character who is black survives. she may be the technical "final girl" but she arguably didn't survive and the main black character is the film's focused survivor. the video compared the movie Scream where the second last character killing was a black woman - I'd say Get Out provides the reversal

@isaacgray2909

3 жыл бұрын

I comment on The Take's Get Out separate video, but I also sees that Rose is also a subversion to the modern take on the Southern Belle. The Southern Belle is a common trope where a white daughter from an upper class white family in the South is typically innocent, pure, and is often kind to black slaves- she is the exception as oppose to her racist family. But Southern Belles were not a thing in irl (sees *They Were Her Property* book), and instead they were as vicious as their male counterpart. Rose seems to be somewhat a reflection on that where she turns out to be as bad as her family.

@aDriveAway

3 жыл бұрын

in no way can the main character in Get Out be considered a "slasher." This is the worst analysis of a movie Ive ever seen...

@michaelotis223

3 жыл бұрын

A smart observation, but not a genius take! Rose is a subversion of the overcompensating White liberal ally! If anything, Chris is the "Final Boy" who happens to be Black

@michaellakosia6876

3 жыл бұрын

@@aDriveAway exactly. That's such an inaccurate description. Nothing about Chris character says "slasher". Rose does not give any "subversion" of a final girl. Smh. Horrible take.

Please analyse the "Broken Bird" trope, in which an embittered woman copes with a tragic past by donning a Cynical, stoic exterior. Examples may include Veronica Mars or The Bride. 💜

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

3 жыл бұрын

Also the Ice Queen who, to the annoyance of viewers and the story, is a aloof introvert and enjoys it.

@khanyangabase691

3 жыл бұрын

Sansa Stark comes to mind, as well. Particularly with her "transformation" in s6, and s7 onwards

@elkrafto3514

3 жыл бұрын

yeeees pls do it!

@sleepyghostgirl

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me think of miss havisham

@ilovenycsomuch

3 жыл бұрын

Or Meg from Hercules!

please do the gay best friend trope video:)

@s.sumbrella7616

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@shananananana

3 жыл бұрын

yasssssssss

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please! 💖I know that they've covered the "Best Friend" Trope, but I'd love for them to tackle the Gay Best Friend stereotype in more detail!😍

@frankies5086

3 жыл бұрын

Yasssss

@samantacarvalho8669

3 жыл бұрын

How about the mean and non reliable gay character trope? Ugh, It's so annoying.

I have to say I find the old-fashioned final girls easier to relate to. If I were in a dangerous situation where a crazed killer was stalking me, I don't think I would "find the power within myself" to take control. I think I'd be more likely to panic and start desperately swinging anything that looks like it could be used as a weapon. The "modernized" final girls are almost like superhero origin stories. They're the kind of empowerment that we only fantasize about.

@ademideakinsefunmi8547

3 жыл бұрын

I think you have to look at context like in most of the movies they fight back they usually try running away first but have no other choice but to fight back that's usually the character development that happens

@Grace-mb8tb

3 жыл бұрын

That’s the point of it I believe, it’s taking full power back killing off the evil or becoming the evil for good instead of surviving then becoming damaged by it for life. It’s giving the power back to the women symbolically and literally, it’s not necessarily realistic but neither is most horror films

@ajaarmstrong4423

3 жыл бұрын

it depends on how you were conditioned to react in scary situations.

@valeriaferrari9737

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, honestly as tough as I want to be, I have to admit I'd most likely end up screaming and crying, running away, or frozen in fear

@nospam3327

2 жыл бұрын

Fwiw, i would be inclined to resist the "evolution" of agency and empowerment they are trying to sell us here. Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween are film classics; I'm guessing 30 years from now no one will still be talking about the new Black Christmas or Assasination Nation films. And I would argue the reason why is Laurie Strode, in the original Halloween, is a really complex character that resists the over simplified argument presented here, and "agency" as sold to us by neoliberals who just want us to continue to consume as they offer us fantasies that don't impact anything in the real world will be exposed for what they are: full of empty rhetoric. The same people who try to sell you the new Laurie Strode as an example of agency (she is actually portrayed a terrified gun nut in the film, living in her self-made survivalist bunker) will also try to tell you that everything is fine, just keep buying Coke (or Pepsi) and eating MacDonald's while the world burns...

I don't think Dani's end was a very empowering one. She traded one abusive situation for another. The cult played on her most obvious insecurities and gave her the illusion of belonging, choice and power while controlling everyone else with drugs, sex or something along those lines.

@WinxMagicalHero

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@songbird6414

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no that absolutely was a bad ending. It’s been pretty much confirmed by the director. What makes it so terrifying if how we aren’t sure at first if it is a bad ending or not. She was trapped by her grief at the beginning of the movie, and now, she’s trapped by everything else.

@Dabrownman1812

10 ай бұрын

@@WinxMagicalHero to some, it's empowering...I guess. Context is important. Becoming propped up by a cult or possessed by a diety removes agency from the "hero." Her body survived, but not her soul

@absolutelynotellen

9 ай бұрын

Maybe in the main character's point of view, she had a happy ending. But in the obeserver ( me ) point of view, rather like she sold her soul to evil type situation. So yeah, i question if she ever got freedom especially she got into a cult.

Always the final girl who had to endure the most trauma

@geoffreysekandi8092

3 жыл бұрын

Mostly due to the fact that she’s usually the only one breathing by the end of the show

@AveGoddess

3 жыл бұрын

Watch "68 KILL" if you'd love a Great Twist on this Genre Trope🗡 ...EDIT: "68 KILL" ...Previously i wrote "86" lolz

@sarroumarbeu6810

3 жыл бұрын

PTSD ( ╹▽╹ )

@geoffreysekandi8092

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com i don’t know what your trying to say but if you dont care about what women go through, why are you here bro? You comment the most out of everyone who watches the channel.

@geoffreysekandi8092

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com I’m pretty sure most women care, except for the twitter women

As an avid horror fan this trope has always fascinated and annoyed me

@emptyteacup8228

3 жыл бұрын

SAAME

@pLanetstarBerry

3 жыл бұрын

Right?! I'd love a horror comedy bordering on slapstick that's just the woman who was meant to be the first victim just both lucking and scheming out of each attempt to murder her because the monster/killer done underestimated her. Like, he thinks he's killed her, tries to move on to other victims, but when he finds out she survived the attempt he just hyperfocuses on killing her because she's not sticking to the rules, goddamnit! She's supposed to die first! >:(

@emptyteacup8228

3 жыл бұрын

@@pLanetstarBerry THIS

@satycastro6551

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with the first part

@pitbull635

3 жыл бұрын

can we get a final guy?

Always found it interesting that in movies with nudity and sex, it punishes the characters for being sexual

@bethbaxter2891

3 жыл бұрын

The age old rule of horror films- no sex

@brittnismith5997

3 жыл бұрын

When the slasher films of the 70s became popular, America was very conservative. Sort of to counteract the ideology of "free love" that became pervasive during the 60s. Growing up in a time when deviating from the social norm ie premarital sex had to be stamped out .

@darth_kal-el

3 жыл бұрын

Only it doesn't. You clearly do not watch or understand these movies. Or you have only seen Friday the 13th.

@HiBuddyyyyyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunknown5386 ew, don’t be that guy. I’m ace and even I still think it’s really weird to punish people for doing naughties in films. It’s a normal thing a lot of people do. Also a lot of the time it’s emphasised on women doing it, so also kind of misogynistic half the time.

@HiBuddyyyyyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunknown5386 …I have no words. Other than that I don’t think you got the message of the movie.

Honestly I think Sidney is probably the best one, obviously she survived more than most but she also subverts stereotypes and is her own person with a good character and someone u actually root for

THIS CHANNEL NEVER FAILS TO DELIVER

@SandyNoemi

3 жыл бұрын

AGREED

@hellokittylover1243

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com man go read a book or something

@thatboikas2137

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com you make no sense and you’re extremely wrong

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com The crazy thing about true feminism is that is cares about violence regardless who is the victim. However, your statistics are absolutely incorrect and you clearly have some issues against women or you would see the true force of misogyny that fuels a huge % of violence against women. And, as I said before, I care about all violence, but the majority of violence (including rape) towards men is by other men. So there are some much deeper problems with gendered violence, that has to be fully accepted before moving into a realm where Feminism can truly become intersectional. I really hope you can find that at some point.

@creepypastaexplained4945

3 жыл бұрын

they did in this video; they failed to include Erin from You’re Next

Something interesting I read recently about Halloween and Laurie Strode. John Carpenter stated that it was never his intention to use the "sex = death" trope or push some conservative attitude towards sexuality. Rather, Carpenter said he utilized sex as a way to distract the characters and make them oblivious to the red flags around them. He also said that Laurie's virginity was meant to make her comparable to Michael as he saw them both as sexually frustrated characters who struggled with their lustful feelings. Laurie actually has a desire for dating/sex (she mentions being interested in her classmate, Ben Tramer) but is very repressed. Carpenter said that, at the end, when Laurie fights back, stabbing Michael, that it was her releasing her pent up sexual frustration. It always kind of annoyed me that Halloween has been blamed for creating the "sex = death"/pushing conservative values and that Laurie was painted as an asexual character because it was never the intention of the creators.

Great video, as always! I just realized something about this trope. The final girl often embodies conservative values when it comes to how girls/women "should" be. The girl/woman is usually a virgin, doesn't drink, doesn't party, and seems repressed in other ways. The girls/women who do engage in the above-mentioned things often die whereas the final girl doesn't. It can send the message that women who "play by the rules" are worthy of living/being saved and women who do not adhere to those conservative "rules" aren't worthy of living their lives/being saved.

@belenandrade5293

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com omg another incel saying sexism and misogyny isn’t real 🙄

@charistate3745

3 жыл бұрын

@Manophere. com dude. i can’t even understand your horrible “points” and arguments because your grammar is so bad. take an english class before you start spitting lies.

@eldron29-a54

3 жыл бұрын

In their movies, conservatives kill anyone that doesn't fit in their rules. Years ago community call out this. Conservatives were scarring youth's mind, and them calling those children, snowflakes.

@ariannamyrie9520

3 жыл бұрын

Me before I was 20/21....I'm 22 now....heh....but, this was by my own decision.

@hitcherooney

2 жыл бұрын

I wanna see a final girl who is all sexual and shit

The final girl, ganddaughter of the Gothic Novel Heroine. It's a very long line of damsels in horror fiction ranging from victims to a more empowered set of characters

@sarroumarbeu6810

3 жыл бұрын

Ah the range of traumatized characters

@lucasgagliardi433

3 жыл бұрын

@@sarroumarbeu6810 Luckily the final girl in modern times does not get fainted as often as Emily St Aubert in "The Mysteries of Udolpho" (1794).

@sarroumarbeu6810

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasgagliardi433 ngl I'd read that for the comedic effect of so many fainting spells XDDD thank you for the rec kind internet stranger 💗

@3ldritchH0rr0r

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasgagliardi433 Wait, they weren't just a made up series by Jane Austen for Northanger Abbey!

@lucasgagliardi433

3 жыл бұрын

@@sarroumarbeu6810 you're welcome.

"missing woman syndrome" feel like you missed an opertunity to mention Amy Dunne from Gone Girl who literally weaponised that very trope in order to frame her husband and would have suceeded too lol

@Pinkranger87

3 жыл бұрын

Missing white woman syndrome

Damn first time I've seen respect for BC 2019. But I wanna see more black and Asian final girls, heck, I know there are loveable jocks who end up as the secondary survivor but I'd love to see a kind hearted sensible black girl or black guy as the main final survivor

@emptyteacup8228

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@sarroumarbeu6810

3 жыл бұрын

Peele might give us more (✷‿✷)

@THATotherGUY415

3 жыл бұрын

I believe House on Haunted Hill (1999) had a black guy survive.

@miramonoban6999

3 жыл бұрын

most producers/directors wont do that because movies with black protagonists doesnt do well internationally, unless its from a big franchise. Japan and Korean market are big money makers in movie industry but they are not very fond of movies with black lead except Marvel franchise ofc.

@miramonoban6999

3 жыл бұрын

most producers/directors wont do that because movies with black protagonists doesnt do well internationally, unless its from a big franchise. Japan and Korean market are big money makers in movie industry but they are not very fond of movies with black lead except Marvel franchise ofc.

That's why one of my favorite horror films is Night of the Demons because the black guy lived at the end. This was rare for a movie that came out in the 80's.

@UnboxingAlyss

3 жыл бұрын

Same with House on Haunted Hill (the remake). Taye Digg's character makes it to the end.

Brandy in "I Still Know What You Did Last Summer," was the closest to a black final girl in a slasher film.

@ashleyhathaway8548

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Kelly Rowland, who was second-to-last-girl in "Freddy vs. Jason."

@sun162345

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashleyhathaway8548 she died, sacrificing herself for the real white final girl, she's not a final girl

The fact the final girl seems pure, virginal or innocent, it's because the final girl innocence represents being a child. But then she fights runs survives, sees death and becomes a woman. Harsh, cunning, strong, with emotional scars. A Different kind of woman. I like that nowadays the final girl aren't virgin, is just the one that fights back and survives because intelligence.

@andreabanuelosavila2317

9 ай бұрын

Logical, after all we’re talking about a survivor type character.

I just noticed the horror movies I have seen where the POC’s are the final girl/black man lives in the end, are in movies made by Jordan Peele. I’m not saying there aren’t more out there, but those two were the first ones that immediately came into my mind.

@Dabrownman1812

10 ай бұрын

It's because he's the most recent. We have avp, 28 days later Final black guy in predator 2. There's plenty out there but peele made a huge name for himself and is "about black" films so his is notable. There are movies with a more mixed cast that has black survivors. I should do a list of my favorites one day!

*please do the other woman trope*

@kgran4055

3 жыл бұрын

YES

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

Concurred, I loathe how, 90% of the time, the "Other Woman" is depicted as a self centred homewrecker who doesn't care one iota about how her actions affect everyone around her. 😒

@toomuchinformation

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinaq Fatal Attraction anyone?

@Mo-qt9ni

3 жыл бұрын

Like John tucker must die?

@kousukeseyelashes3253

3 жыл бұрын

and the completely opposite the wife/fiancée trope.

Cult horror also has some great examples of Final Girl subversions. Jeryline of Tales From the Crypt's Demon Knight gets to be a Black woman with a criminal record and zero interest in social niceties. The innate subversiveness of horror comedy - which is predicated upon shifting cinematic modes reliant on the element of surprise - is super overlooked, especially with works considered "low-brow". Sometimes the low-brow stuff is most ahead of its time because it doesn't have studio heads breathing down filmmakers' necks. Anyway it's really great to see misogynoir being addressed in the conversation about the Final Girl trope.

@carlathedestructor2454

3 жыл бұрын

I forgot about that movie! It's a good one. Wasn't that Jada Pinkett Smith?

@malakcanvas

3 жыл бұрын

Just saw this comment after I posted but yes!!! Jada Pinkett Smith was definitely a "Final Girl" didn't fit the usual trope..which could be seen as problematic in a way (feminine & race, etc.) But I guess it works because all the other characters weren't necessarily saints.

@sunnyviy

3 жыл бұрын

@@malakcanvas Right! Like YMMV on how progressive her characterization was but within the context of the extremely pulpy story and the rest of its characters, as well as the context of the Christian lore, it's a fitting and deliberate choice to make a complex, nuanced, untraditional FG.

Anyway, I believe the prevalence of the final girl in horror movies is in part because she is supposed to be an audience surrogate, and the assumption is that a female character will work as a better cinematic shorthand for projecting the vulnerability that the audience is supposed to feel. What I find a little disheartening is that you rarely see a male survivor in such films display his vulnerability like that. Think back to the end of Predator, where Schwarzenegger hitches a ride to safety in a helicopter, looking perhaps a bit exhausted and worn out, but not much else. If a woman had been in this role, it would practically be a requirement to show her shaking and crying by the end. We should be allowed to see men like that, too.

It would be interesting to see a Black woman or just a woman of color, who stars in a horror film and ends up being the final girl. Most of the final girls mentioned in this video, who are women of color, are still seen as sidekicks/secondary characters to the main white character. The only exception to that is Adelaide/Red in Us

@TheBlackCinephile

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-rg6nm first time hearing of that movie, I searched up the plot online, and maybe it fits? But it also came out in 2003, I would love to see more recent films

@TheBlackCinephile

3 жыл бұрын

@Black Ninja any recommendations?

@Dorthyturner

3 жыл бұрын

Go watch “Tales from the crypt: Demon Knight” it’s helmed by a Black Director too 😉

@Fedha-dm1up

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@virallcullture8585

3 жыл бұрын

it would be nice to see..but I mean ...a black girl, not one drop rule biracial girl...I don't feel like it's too much to ask to be honest...

I was literally thinking about this trope yesterday. What are the odds you would do a video immediately the day after? Considering Halloween is just around the corner, very high actually.

@satycastro6551

3 жыл бұрын

I am always thiking about this trope. Terror lover

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

I love that you think about this on a regular day!!

@HiBuddyyyyyy

2 жыл бұрын

I did that with a different video that mentioned it briefly, but the topic was about people turning to Satanism to get past abortion laws in America.

The Final Girls is such an underrated gem. A lot of heart, warmth, thrills, and silliness all in one. Glad it's getting some love here :-)

I completely disagree with your read of Midsommar. I think the word "abusive" is a strong word to use with the protagonist's boyfriend. I don't want to belittle the fact that he does gaslight her when she suspects something is wrong, but to me they are both compliantly dragging themselves through a codependent relationship that gives them no happiness, because neither is ready to face their individual need for growth. Also she is not the only one who is suspicious about something being wrong in that place. She actually stays longer than she should because, just like everybody else, she is much too centered in her internal struggle to be fully aware of what's going on in the surroundings. Her trauma and her inability to grief the loss of her family in a healthy way that allows her to let go, make her the easy target for being brainwashed, and thus becoming a death cult queen killer, not because she's fighting some rightful cause. The only ones who don't, the couple who leave, or at least try to, from the very moment things get "death-worshippy", are the only people who have their shit together and can actually see things for what they are. I also think that they are presented as an icon of true healthy love, which is only possible precisely because they are independent people with a critical mind who value life above any "I respect it because it's cultural" bullshit.

tbh I'm not even the main character of my own life sooo..

@RVforestgreen

3 жыл бұрын

Same I’m always like the supportive friend in everyone’s lives and I feel obligated to be so. Quite literally the supportive black friend. (I’m black irl if that wasn’t already clear)

@ThatT-guy9405

3 жыл бұрын

I am a background character of my own story.

@sabrinac8453

3 жыл бұрын

Then change that. Become the main charcter of your life.

@zemoxian

3 жыл бұрын

@@sabrinac8453 Change is hard. I’ve suffered through decades of depression and nothing seems to help. I’ve never attempted suicide but I’ve been tempted. I’m hanging by a thread as it is. Being told to just change it doesn’t work. What does it matter if I change things if it doesn’t make any difference? I still wouldn’t feel better about life. Maybe I’ll get a short reprieve but then it’s back to the misery.

@sarroumarbeu6810

3 жыл бұрын

XDD

Can you do one for The Chosen One trope? One person chosen by fate and destiny to protect the world from evil. Or in some cases turn to the dark side. Buffy Summers and Faith Lehane. Anakin Skywalker. Neo. John Conner. Harry Potter. Sam and Dean Winchester.

@pitbull635

3 жыл бұрын

oooh that’s a good one

@amysnow56

3 жыл бұрын

The Chosen One, is a story literally as old as time. It would be interesting if they did a video about that. IDK it might be to controversial, since Chosen Ones first appear in religious text.

@faizalardillah1440

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ

I don't care what anyone says, Neve Cambell in Scream 1 is the ultimate final girl.

@lochofmceo

3 жыл бұрын

I would say the girl from Nightmare on Elm street because Scream is a parody of her

I think Lifetime movies are pretty much built around this trope.

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

3 жыл бұрын

Women in Jep

I want the "Exotic girl" trope, please ❤️

I need to look at Midsommer because it looks like a fresh bowl of crazy.

@UnboxingAlyss

3 жыл бұрын

It is. I really liked the movie, but it's trippy as all hell. You really need to pay attention when watching it. Not anywhere near as straightforward as Hereditary, but still great and quite creepy, despite taking place in the daytime.

@CherokeeRoses

3 жыл бұрын

Its fantastic. Trippy, crazy and fantastic. Director Ari Aster is a master when it comes to creating horror that just crawls under your skin.

@Dayneishadavis

3 жыл бұрын

It’s great! Watch it TODAY

Did they just forget Brandy in I Still Know What You Did Last Summer as one of the final two girls? She was the highlight of that movie.

Can you do the fat person trope?

"Midsommar" is presentation of love-bombing period of being in cult. Dani's horror/story is yet to come - she survives, because the cult decided so, not because of any strenght or positive inner quality.

@andymorgade7137

3 жыл бұрын

Well, you can analyse it in that way...or thinking that what keeps her alive is her capacity to feel. She is clearly the most sensitive character in the film and this capacity of feeling is what keeps her alive because sensitivity is very valuable for them. They experience the same pain, joy or sorrow. In this point, you can read it in two ways: an extremely dark way of portraiting feelings - as Dani finally decided to focus on her feelings and get revenge for all the pain she has experienced due to his insensitive boyfriend - or a dark but "empowering" way. Emotions have been always seen as a feminine thing, as women are too delicate that they can not control if they cry, shout or enter in panic. In Midsommar, by giving so much power to emotions, they are giving power to a "feminine thing", they are giving the message that it does not matter how logic, intelligent or able to ignore negative feelings you are, feeling emotions is something natural, nor feminine neither masculine. Women have been always portrait as been "too feely" as it was something negative to express your emotions. When we see a girl shouting or crying in a horror film, we usually feel pity for her. However, in Midsommar, the girl that cries, shouts and suffers is the most powerful of all the characters. Of course, portraying that those strong emotions can lead you to order the death of someone is a very extreme way of explaining the power of them, but it is a very interesting one. The girl who cries, who is dismissed by her emotions is, finally, the last survivor. The one who looks the weakest by traditional standards is the strongest because feelings and being sensitive are not a sign of weakness but of strength.

@WinxMagicalHero

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why I don’t understand why people call it a happy ending. Her own loneliness was used to manipulate her

@DrGregoryHouseIT

2 жыл бұрын

@@andymorgade7137 What keeps her alive is merely her youth. And the movie suggests she might not last long, as there's an image of a woman that looks like Dani sitting serene in flames.

The best final girl: Cindy Campbell No final girl was ever final-girled so many times

@darth_kal-el

3 жыл бұрын

No one is better then Sidney Prescott.

@arielperez3613

3 жыл бұрын

Cindy Campbell is just a knockoff character of Sidney

@JoaoPedro-gc8mw

3 жыл бұрын

@@arielperez3613 Obviously.

Love the quality of this channel. Cited research and great analysis every single time alongside well thought out commentary. The best film & TV critique team on the Tubes.

the latest era of the Final Girl is one that I'm still getting used to. Even though the 70s & 80s era Final Girls were before my time, characters like Sally (TX chainsaw massacre), Laurie (Halloween), & Nancy (Nightmare on elm street) are simply iconic & transcend time. those characters still hold up well today, IMO. Sidney Prescott was the Final Girl of my generation, & she definitely represented a chancing/evolving of the Final Girl trope. I also like Erin ( You're next), she totally surprised me & was not at all what I was expecting, that character made a huge impression on me.

Thank you for doing this!! ♥️ as a big horror movie lover, it’s nice to see a discussion about the “final girl”.

Does it strike anyone else wrong that they claim they want to see strong women, but then try and say that women who show strength are "phallicized"? It's not a choice between feminine or strong, and it doesn't sit right that women standing up for themselves is being portrayed as the un-feminist thing to do

@ominous_light

2 жыл бұрын

Period

The final girl from You're Next is my favorite! she isn't the survivor just because she's a girl but because she's strong. She made sure that killers are dead before moving!!!

“Introducing Sidney the victim, Sidney the survivor, Sidney...the STAR!”

A black woman I would have loved to see as a Final Girl is Georgina from “Get Out”. *Spoiler* At two different times in the movie, Georgina was able to take control from Grandma Armitage. Albeit very short instances, she did it by fighting back and without an external factor (ie the other “molds” came out of the sunken place because of a flash). So, even though it’s an almost impossible outcome, she was doing whatever she could to be a survivor of that circumstance. If she/Grandma Armitage didn’t die in the crash, I imagine she would continue to use whatever she had in order to keep fighting and find a way “out” (for instance, if she’s able to bring herself out of the sunken place long enough to grab something with a flash to use on herself).

@littlefurballs

3 жыл бұрын

Actually...now that I think about it...maybe it was 3 different times. 🤔Aside from the ice tea scene and the cell phone scene, I think Georgina might have found an opportunity to control Grandma Armitage enough to leave the closet door open for Chris to see the photos. 😲 OMG!!! Fighting back so hard and continuing to resist! What an incredible Final Girl she would have been!! Why Jordan...why?? 😫 lol

I really cannot begin to explain how much and thoroughly I love this channel! I always walk away feeling as though I’ve been gifted the supreme privilege of a free education, as well as getting the chance to deep dive into how media impacts us. I’m grateful for y’all. Thank you!

Ripley from Alien was in control, her character was written for a man originally. Also Jada Pinker Smith was a final girl in the 90's in the movie Demon knight from Tales from the krypt. None of these final girls were the typical final girl for their time or for now.

sidney prescott is the best final girl in my mind

Very well done. Beautiful in-depth analysis of the origins and evolution of the "Final Girl" trope.

Brandy survived I still know what you did last Summer

The only other horror films that I can think of on the top of my head where the black girl survives in the end are Sanaa Lathan's character in Alien vs. Predator (a true messy classic, haha) and one of the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels (I don't remember which one, lol).

I never realized the final one is a girl because people don't like to see men crying, still love this trope though Sorry for english, i'am brazilian

@heyhorinshi

3 жыл бұрын

Br na área lol

I've been secretly waiting for a video like this, super happy !!! Thank you

Assassination Lation has a Black final girl, and a Trans final girl and is SO underrated. It's by Sam Levinson of EUPHORIA

@OppositeofHATE7

3 жыл бұрын

They said this in the video

@JaiProdz

3 жыл бұрын

@@OppositeofHATE7 i didn't get to tht part yet

@Fedha-dm1up

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but then he can’t even put a single black woman with two black parents in euphoria

@JaiProdz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fedha-dm1up oop. Wake tht up!!! I hear Lovie Simone will be in Season 2. And will be with Lexi. Im all for Black gay girls but can we also get BLACK COUPLES??? Why they all white or in interracial relationships??

@Fedha-dm1up

3 жыл бұрын

@@JaiProdz same

Besides Adelaide from the movie "Us" I can't think of a non-white final girl. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few but it shouldn't be this hard to remember them. 🤔 PS: I wrote this comment before I saw the video and I'm disappointed I was right. 🥺

@fr3dth3hors3

3 жыл бұрын

Yara Zhayd recently uploaded a video which mentioned another non-white final girl. I’m not into horror and hadn’t seen the movie so don’t remember off the top of my head

@cristinarivera5707

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know if you watch American Horror Story but their 1984 chapter actually had 2 final girls, one of which was black and in real life, a trans woman. I was pleasantly surprised!

@reallyannoyingvoid543

3 жыл бұрын

The Invitation features a black final girl, along with 2 other survivors. I'd recommend it, it's a good movie.

@msfthe1st117

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly Alien Vs Predator tho

@UnboxingAlyss

3 жыл бұрын

@@cristinarivera5707 I was going to say this. Angelica Ross's character shared the title with Emma Roberts. I believe Brandy was a final girl in also survived in "I Still Know What You Did Last Summer".

Do the stepford smiler trope! I think it'd be a fun topic, especially if you included the theme of mental health in it!

you gave me so many ideas for my next horror movie night! and now i'll watch them with a critical eye

Love your videos as always!! This is so meaningful to me it's hard to explain!!

Shout out to Sanaa Lathan for being the final girl in Alien vs Predator! That movie stood out to me for that very reason lol

Could the next trope be "The middle child" How media portrays the middle sibling as the no one really cares like Meg from family guy, Sue from the Middle or even Jan form The Brady Bunch

I can't believe how cool your channel is, the content is INCREDIBLE

If I was ever a final girl I wouldn't save my friends I don't want em that bad.

Could you do another parks and rec video? I love your channel!

I always hear the 'black guy dies first' joke, but besides the second Scream movie, I can't remember any other horror movie where a black guy indeed dies first.

i’m so glad i found your channel 😭 love u

loved this one, girls! and ok, I NEED a list of all these movies mentioned! i’m a little surprised y’all didn’t mention the revenge aspect of horror (like I spit on your grave).

I definitely can see where some people can find this trope problematic and sexist, but overall I'd say from the 70s on, when the trope was first noted, I feel that it has been and can be seen as a very empowering pro-feminist trope. For example, in Halloween, even though Laurie is saved by a man (Loomis) she still was very formidable force to get Michael to the more weakened state he was in. Her efforts weren't for nothing. Loomis saving her was more of a deus ex machina moment rather than Laurie being helpless and only being able to be saved by a man. It only temporarily got her out of harm's way, as no one can truly defeat Michael. I also kind of challenge the aspect of the trope saying how female characters are stereotypically very emotional and men are seen as more calm and strong and how it's problematic. Like part of the reason why that trope is the way it is is because you need to feel sympathy for the final girl. If she was just super strong and didn't show any fear, then you wouldn't feel any fear yourself for her safety. It definitely works when the female character is really strong and does not allow herself to be controlled or saved by men. Erin in You're Next is a great example for more modern movies and the trio of Trish, Valerie, and Courtney from The Slumber Party Massacre are great example from the heyday of the slasher movie subgenre. But again, in the former ,you don't really feel any fear for Erin's safety, you just feel excitement for how great of a final girl she is!! Just look at Jesse from A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge. He is a male final girl. He is scared the entire movie and fits into the super emotional stereotype. I just feel it's more based on that you want to feel fear for the main character, as it wouldn't be as much of a horror movie if they were emotionless and capable the whole movie. That obviously works in some contexts, however, a majority of the time, I feel that it's more based on wanting to stay close to the formula that worked for Texas Chain Saw Massacre and Halloween rather than trying to reinforce that female characters are emotional wrecks incapable of saving themselves and only can be saved by the help of a man.

Why can men only empathize with virginal women? I wish you had addressed that. Maybe another video?

@randeknight

3 жыл бұрын

My take on 'the virgin survives' is because she's not expecting her boyfriend to show up and save her, but must save herself - just like a man. We're just not ready for a male character to be captured, screaming and crying, and then the girlfriend kicks down the door, shoots the bad guys in the head and then carries him out to safety.

I can't believe how much research goes into those videos

I hope you can make a video about the dead mother trope. I'm obsessed with these videos!

Please do a "it girl" trope explaintion.

@gypsya.torres1781

3 жыл бұрын

They did

@irrelevance3859

3 жыл бұрын

@Isaak no I think she means like Blonde popular pretty girl who sort of flies through life and has a lot of attention amongst people and social media usually. Maybe

@shrutigavali7729

3 жыл бұрын

@Isaak No dear!

And this is why I like Hell raiser. The final girl survives with a feminine symbol (the box) and not a phallic symbol (knife or gun). Kirsty survives without needing to let go of her femininity.

@claudiax233

3 жыл бұрын

Great observation!

It's about time you did a video on this trope!!!!

Of all the tropes I’ve heard of this one was new. I enjoyed it!!

Love this series. Such interesting topics. You should start listing the movies you plan on spoiling in each episode though.

This video should be 90min! For all intent and purposes, the final girl was born at the same time as the horror genre, even in cinematic term.

I always get new movie recommendations when I watch your channel...and learn something😉 Never realized the Final Girl is usually a good too shoe 🙆🏾

these videos have been so good lately even by your normal standards 😭😭 keep it up!!!!

OBJECTION! The first final girl was Mina from the 1933 Dracula!

@tyrant-den884

3 жыл бұрын

Which was also the deal first horror movie.

@pinkaji1208

2 жыл бұрын

I just recently watched this movie and realized it did have many aspects of the trope. Lucy being promiscuous and dying while the chaste Mina lives. It’s interesting

literally the best slasher trope. reading "Men, Women and Chainsaws..." by Carol J. Clover helped me understand the story behind it. my top fave has got to be sally hardesty. she fought like hell to escape leatherface and his cannibal family.

LOVE THIS! AMAZING VIDEO, GREAT JOB! :D

Brilliant take, as always! :)

Finally, a trope I actually studied in school XD

i paused the video and watched assassination nation. Made me cry alot. really shows violence against women with how illogical toxic masculinity in combo with misogyny can be.

Love your videos!!! They are so interesting and informative. Please can you do a video on Kathryn from Cruel Intentions. Such an interesting character and amazing film!

I was NOT ready for that screenshot of the Grudge haha ! Thanks.

Unfortunately, in Us, the final black girl was also the killer/villain.

@Ray03595

3 жыл бұрын

That was a good twist tho. And she wasn't necessarily a villain either.

@tyloona

3 жыл бұрын

It depends how you see Adelaide. She switched out of necessity because of the terrors of being a Tethered. Red however choose to weaponize herself and her people which went onto murdering the whole world. Red and Adelaide are both grey characters.

Great video! You should have mentioned Jesse Walsh from A Nightmare on Elm Street 2. He is the ultimate male "final girl"

Excellent Video! This was so great

I’m so glad that you talking about race within this trope.

@louz743

3 жыл бұрын

I love this channel it’s super inclusive

"make a video about what makes a main character" pt.3 btw love ur videoss ❤❤

Not even gonna mention Jada Pinkett in “Demon Knight” huh? ☹️ she’s literally THE BEST final girl!

I am hooked on these videos! I have a degree in psychology and these analyzations are spot on!

@darth_kal-el

3 жыл бұрын

No. They are not spot on. Not at all. They leave out vital information.

Thank you for yet again amazing video!