Loved how Lenny had better skills in literary analysis than Dutch.

@llcoolray3000

4 жыл бұрын

100%

@JohnIsaacXIV

4 жыл бұрын

Lenny was a critical thinker, Dutch just read and gain information without any counter-arguments to what he reads.

@ab14967

4 жыл бұрын

One actually thinks about the stuff they are reading, the other reads to back up what he already believes in.

@J_Braz_

4 жыл бұрын

because rockstar is scared to offend anyone.

@elijahtheprophet2202

4 жыл бұрын

@@J_Braz_ what

I actually love John Marston as a character, he literally brings the guy food and checks up on him 10/10 game development.

@glynkeegan306

4 жыл бұрын

Food that he didn't need😔

@Yanevinho

4 жыл бұрын

Vr Anime man i wasted some cans of food on a guy that was gonna doe anyway!

@Gesustherapper

4 жыл бұрын

I hate John he can’t swim

@monmonkey7029

4 жыл бұрын

WrongHouseFool 27 Can’t Herd, Can’t Swim, Can’t Die... John Marston is The Legend Of The West. Don’t Underestimate Him.

@gay6ix9ine17

4 жыл бұрын

monx 13 have you.......played rdr1....?

That cabin he lives in is also the cabin where you can find Sean Maguire in Red Dead Online

@dusty203

4 жыл бұрын

thats weird

@Taschip

4 жыл бұрын

Sean and Miller be fuckin

@bringbackthedislikebutton4CNN

4 жыл бұрын

Taschip that’s noteworthy.

@django8875

4 жыл бұрын

And the hunter in rdr1

@micahbelly1899

4 жыл бұрын

Red Dead Online is so weird. I found one of Micah's men, Joe, inside the house where the family died of smoke inhalation.

Dutch and Miller sounds so much better than Dutch and Micah.

@A-pizz-a

4 жыл бұрын

Hm!?

@derniax7513

4 жыл бұрын

Say that again but slowly

@A-pizz-a

4 жыл бұрын

@@derniax7513 HHHHMMMMM...??!!!!

@derniax7513

4 жыл бұрын

@@A-pizz-a lmfao

@jaboies2292

4 жыл бұрын

i’m so confused

My game glitched for the final cutscene. Evelyn Miller's corpse was standing next to his desk facing a wall of his cabin, then his body collapsed after he requested to be burnt. Hilarious and terrifying.

@johnsnow272

3 жыл бұрын

That happened to me too.

@Erri_17

2 жыл бұрын

Happened in my latest playthrough too

@doriansteele8504

Жыл бұрын

Same bro I clipped it as well, and it was like 2:30 so hella creepy

Seeing those moments again with dutch being like a father figure really breaks my heart knowing how he turns up in the end.

@DMCS1917

4 жыл бұрын

In American venom he realises he done wrong but in rdr1 he is crazy again

@polinttalu7102

4 жыл бұрын

@@DMCS1917 he has nothing to lose really So it's pretty much him doing what he really wants

@skyvolt2566

3 жыл бұрын

Even in the end he was still giving lessons to John saying you can't fight your true nature

@riverds4925

3 жыл бұрын

@@DMCS1917 well the guy probably went to a shack or cabin hell maybe camp again and lived alone for 4 years probably with little food etc, so thats enough to make a man crazy

@neomp5

2 жыл бұрын

he was only ever play-acting as a father figure, the same as he play-acted as a heroic rogue and a philosopher and a leader. it was all because he craved admiration and praise. I played the second game without ever playing the first, and I recognised from the first moment what he was. a small, pitiful man with a messiah complex. a sad little king of a sad little hill

I think Evelyn touched on one of the biggest themes in RDR 2; Human Civilization. You can see it in saint denis, annesburg, and the heartlands oil factory. It’s one of the things Dutch and Arthur seem to bring up as well. I think it’s something along the lines of; “we know that by growing, we’ll hurt the god of nature, but grow we must.”

@erikallen3804

4 жыл бұрын

What about Blackwater? Blackwater literally has automobiles by 1911.

@erikallen3804

4 жыл бұрын

@@SashaLumi Considering the fact that Saint Denis has a working power planet in 1899/1907, they undoubtedly had automobiles by 1911.

@rwieber79

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda reminds you of what's going on right now in real life. Scientists playing god, colleges and schools brainwashing kids with propaganda, gentrification of much of the land and I could keep going but you get my drift. It's crazy how much truth Rockstar put into the game. That and the many characters and places based on real people and places as well.

@johnhansen4794

3 жыл бұрын

Yup🤔

@Kentucky_Caveman

2 жыл бұрын

@@rwieber79 you spittin facts 🗣

Miller's cabin is still standing in RDR1. Go to Tanner's Reach and bring a shotgun because there are a ton of cougars around.

I love how Evelyn got his own redemption. It really just shows the difference between him and dutch. He doubts himself all the time and has a lot of "self-loathing" - Dutch never doubts himself and loves himself over the others. Really shows why dutch never got redemption. He loved himself too much

@noamias4897

3 жыл бұрын

I think Dutch got redemption when he left John the money at the cabin. He shows that he wasn’t in it for the money and realizes how he messed up

@wrench4203

3 жыл бұрын

@@noamias4897 that wasn’t really redemption it may have been if he didn’t start robbing again in the first game but he clearly wasn’t done he even killed that lady for no reason in the bank

@thorsal6208

3 жыл бұрын

@@noamias4897 it's not really a redemption since he still do the same thing, robbery, kiling, and anyother crime in RDR 1 timeline. But the difference is, he doesn't do that for the money anymore. He did that just bcs he likes killing and robbing people and become the true version of himself

@Jack_Pepsi

3 жыл бұрын

I think him leaving the money means more of how Dutch wanted only chaos and death to the bitter end. Less of an ego thing and more wanting power over others and the suffering of his enemies

@AHappyBlackGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@noamias4897 Dutch got his redemption in his final moments by realizing his own madness and killing himself to end the endless chaotic anarchy he’s created for himself and others and by warning John that the government will never let him live in peace.

2:03 wow you can even see a rat in the backround so much detail

@burnthetrolls5971

3 жыл бұрын

That's Rockstar for you always paying attention to detail

@redking558

3 жыл бұрын

You got me there chief

@carterkruse6471

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

Always wondered how Evelyn managed to survive in his cottage with the Skinners so close by.

@rokkfel4999

4 жыл бұрын

I like to think he is actually some bad ass when no one civil is around and just slaughters them but that’s not very likely

@poison7207

4 жыл бұрын

John and Charles kill at least 80% of the skinners in the epilogue

@hypercumstone44

3 жыл бұрын

@@rokkfel4999 that’s my headcanon now

@rokkfel4999

3 жыл бұрын

@@hypercumstone44 well I’m happy to help...don’t look in the basement

@SomerandomShmuck

3 жыл бұрын

@@swang7321 Well don't forget, most of the gang is held up by native Americans, probably renegades so maybe there is still a chance that the gang isn't dead.

"The Fate of Evelyn Miller" I blew him up in his cabin.

@LLT8

4 жыл бұрын

The American Inferno, still on fire

@cyber_runner

4 жыл бұрын

I just fucking snorted- 😂😂

I'm wondering, from a narrative standpoint, what the meaning of this mission is. Sure, it fits with the anti-industrialism theme, but what is Miller ultimately being a fraud who kills himself supposed to mean? He reminds me of Gavin's friend and the Mad Preacher. They're all hopelessly seeking, never finding, and quite crazy, much like Dutch himself.

@supahhotnoodledapx1602

4 жыл бұрын

M M it signifies that even the person Dutch Van Der Linde looked up to, that even he didn’t have the answers to life and that even he was unsatisfied with life. It shows how much of a fraud Dutch was, and why he went crazy.

@Makarosc

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's foreshadowing Dutch's fate and the overall reality that you can't stop progress and/or the fact that Dutch's philosophy was insane

@joshglover2370

4 жыл бұрын

@@Makarosc Dutch's philosophy is not insane! Dutch was right! I don't condone his murders of innocent civilians, but his views on society and government were spot on! Dutch believed in what America was supposed to be!

@trevorminyard8885

4 жыл бұрын

It sort of acts as a reflection of Dutch's character. Evelyn becomes aware of the fact that his thoughts and beliefs are products of his ego but can't stop thinking and believing because that is his nature. Much like Dutch's speech before he jumps off the cliff. He knows he can't stop fighting because he can't fight his own nature. After coming to this paradox, this crossroads, both characters kill themselves. It kind of explains Dutch's psychology that he was so obsessed with Miller he ended up being much like him. The same way Miller was a fraud preaching to unassuming college students, Dutch was a fraud manipulating the members of his gang, both for self-satisfaction and benefit until having to face the internal consequences of their own nature, the nature they can't fight.

@trevorminyard8885

4 жыл бұрын

@@Makarosc I wouldn't say their philosophy was insane but they both let it have so much power over them that it drove them insane. It became their entire identities and because of that, they didn't really know who they were anymore.

Im stunned by the Fact that this guy is reading the Newspapers in Rdr2

@PrinzofPhx

4 жыл бұрын

I used to occasionally look at some in the first red dead. lol

@HelllNawh

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah one of the first things i did in the epilogue was read that news paper in blackwater to see if there was anything about dutch/micah. Noticed an article about him being alive but john wouldnt bring it up in any dialogue whenever someone was talking about him its like i never read it. It'd have been cool if that changed up a bit of dialogue.

@DMCS1917

4 жыл бұрын

Prinz of Phx the first newspaper you can read as jack in rdr1 is talking about the outbreak of ww1, Pretty cool

@kevinhicks8455

4 жыл бұрын

Hell Nawh Bronte’s house address also appears in the newspaper before the gang has to rescue jack. But no you you’re still forced to “find out” where he lives by some kids. I still think the newspapers are a nice touch though. They’re fun to read after the gang has a shootout.

@erikallen3804

4 жыл бұрын

I always read the newspapers to find news events that involved the player. Like the bank robbery in RDR1 or burning down Braithwaite Manor in RDR2.

“When I’m done.. Just burn me. I want to soar in the air with the eagles, not rot in the ground with the worms.” That’s probably the most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard or read in my entire life.

@dogslobbergardens6606

2 жыл бұрын

@_Bagginshield yes, I think his final wishes are a direct reference to Wood's respect for Eagle Flies as well as the very common philosopher's/religious idea that only being tied to the ground is folly, there's more meaning "out there" somewhere. It's a beautifully-worded sentiment in any case. In an odd way it reminds me a little of when Josie Wales realizes he just doesn't have time to bury two men he just killed, despite it being important to his young friend that they honor tradition by giving the men a Christian burial. "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms."

@lewisjohnston7077

3 ай бұрын

In other words. I want to be cremated not buried.

This is probably my favorite substory. Every interaction feels so profound. After you burn his shack down you can find an owl, a symbol for wisdom, on what was once the roof if you come back at night.

@internaut4257

4 жыл бұрын

that brought a tear to my eye, im so unstable lol

@wellingtonrodrigues7654

4 жыл бұрын

This game is full of nature symbolism.

@riverthebeanqueenx7800

3 жыл бұрын

You also find eagles if you come back during the day

@lucasmartinez5703

2 жыл бұрын

+Just a Random Comment Well that certainly works in this case as well lol.

@KentuckyWaterfall13

2 жыл бұрын

No way? I saw a owl on the burnt cabin, I shot it though. I needed money and the trapper was willing so I apologize guys.

Wonder how Dutch would've taken it if he knew John's involvement in Miller's death.

@RECTRONSTREAMS

2 жыл бұрын

Dutch would of been even more angu John is a "betrayer!!! "

clearly inspired by Henry David Thoreau, loved this quest

@splashnskillz37

4 жыл бұрын

thx for letting us know the inspiration Edit: fun fact, he died of tuberculosis

@dolfuny

4 жыл бұрын

Is this the dude that lived in the woods for 2 years or am I getting my American lit wrong, kinda to lazy to Google it

@notsae66

3 жыл бұрын

@@dolfuny The big thing is that he was also a *liar,* just like Dutch and Miller. Thoreau lived in a shack, yes, but he went into town frequently to have his mom wash his laundry and get food. His writings, like Dutch's speeches and Miller's books, are just empty words from empty men.

@macafromthewired

3 жыл бұрын

@@notsae66 YOOOO WHAT YOU MEAN THE WALDEN GUY WAS A FRAUD??

@mx_cyber

2 жыл бұрын

@@notsae66 Is that actually true?

Going by how Lenny described Miller’s work, it makes perfect sense why Dutch liked him. He, too, said pretty things without saying anything new at all.

Wow, what an awesome character he turned out to be. A philosopher and thinker who became aware of the idea that his beliefs weren't actually real but were just products of his ego. He couldn't stop, however, it was in his nature to think and write and believe but by not knowing if what he believed and thought were real he sunk into a major depression and killed himself. Extremely reflective of Dutch's inability to stop fighting and his own suicide. What an incredible mission I didn't even know existed until now.

Interacting fact: He wrote that he wants to soar with the eagles, when you come back after the building is burnt there will be a 3 star golden eagle dead at the building, I love all the detail rockstar puts in the game

as far as dutches reasons for liking millers work, i believe he genuinely thinks he is saying somthing profound. however he also subconsciously knows that these words are empty (even if he dosent think so) and his real reasons for using millers work unbeknonsed to even himself is to use them to manipulate those around him

@LLT8

4 жыл бұрын

Dmoe329 so what you are saying is that Dutch only uses the book as a way to show how literate he is to the rest of the gang and also uses it to subconsciously make all of those think he is a great man due to how he makes it seem like they are the pages on Mr Miller’s book?

@therwtyt

4 жыл бұрын

@@LLT8 partially? i do think dutch genuinely enjoys mr. millers work and even to some extent believes in what he thinks it says. but deep down in his subconscious or in the back of his mind or what have you, he knows he can twist the words to mean whatever he wants.

@redshirt49

4 жыл бұрын

@@therwtyt I didn't really get that impession. Dutch isn't some master manipulator, nor is he actively or knowingly deceptive towards his gang. When he does start to behave this way towards the end of the story, he is quite noticeably a very bad liar. Not to mention the fact that he becomes more and more unhinged as his way of life crumbles around him and as his family lose their faith in him one by one. If he were just manipulating folks he would neither be surprised nor upset that people were leaving but he is, because he believes what he says and doesn't understand why the others don't have faith in that anymore.

@therwtyt

4 жыл бұрын

@@redshirt49 thats actually more or less what i mean. he dosent think hes lying. he just knows on some level that he can twist the words of our dear crispy author to mean whatever he wants. to fit whatever he believes

@smallp3nis57

4 жыл бұрын

Unbeknownst*

In chapter 3 you can actually find his book at camp

@olliej8252

4 жыл бұрын

Jeroen Hofstee where?

@Bountifulloot895

4 жыл бұрын

Who’s tent

@kevinhicks8455

4 жыл бұрын

Kai Burnett Arthur’s!! No, Dutch’s tent. He’s the only one who reads millers books.

@soundwavesuperior28

4 жыл бұрын

I believe I found it in Chapter 2, as well. In Dutch’s tent, on the left side of his tent.

@ethanbradley2089

4 жыл бұрын

You can find it in chapter 2 by Dutchs tent.

In my opinion, this side mission had the biggest RDR1 feel to it. In the original game's side missions, they all had an ominous and sinister aura to them and left you feeling uneasy or disappointed. In RDR2, most of them are just fun loving and light hearted and can leave you happy or laughing (most not all) But not this one, the ending was dark and haunting, just like the originals. It was also the only one that is exclusive to John so that could be another reason, he's just unlucky when it comes to meeting strangers lol

@TheDude55

8 ай бұрын

I get no dark or uneasy feeling from the story of Evelyn Miller. Sad that he passed but he absolutely did so in his own choice. The man was haunted by the facade he put on for decades, corrupting people's minds with cliche and unoriginal writing. He literally hates himself for these things. I like to think in his little sabbatical, he truly found peace and the meaning of his life. I actually get an inspiration of hope from this side mission because it's a statement saying no matter how far away you stray from reality, there's always a path back to it.

I like how good mannered John is, waiting by the door at someone else's house.

Not to write a whole essay in ur comments I did rly like the video but... The parallel between miller & Dutch is obvious to me and I don’t know how people are missing it. They’re both frauds, hypocritical, only one realizes it much earlier on and tries to atone for it. I see many commenters comparing Miller to Thoreau, which is clear to see, but none explaining why other than they’re both controversial but famous/successful American writers. However, in all of Thoreau’s writings and reflections on transcendentalism, written alone in a cabin in the woods, he still rode all the way back into the nearest town to get his mom to wash his laundry for him. You can see how that lays the character groundwork in Dutch every time you walk through camp. He doesn’t work, is covered in jewels and gold, has the best tent, basically his camp has a clear hierarchy-an obvious betrayal of the anarchistic/socialist jargon he preaches, having learned it from some books and twisted their meanings into what serves him best, inspiring false hope in the weak and hopeless like only the best of cult leaders. Dutch and Miller both are perfect examples of why the phrase “action speaks louder than words” is crucial to knowing if a man is actually working with you or against you. Miller finally understood this, after years of as Lenny basically says, cosplaying as the poor or unfortunate in his writings whilst cozying up to the rich all along the east coast, saying all the right things for so long, only for all of them to shun him for trying to help the Native Americans. That one real action spoke louder than any and all his words ever did to the higher classes, so he was cast out for it-but, crucially, he embraced all those new & necessary realizations that forced him to rethink everything he thought he knew, never let go of his newfound regrets, and tried to learn from them and rectify them the only way he knew how, writing til the end. In the end his actions and his words were one and the same. Dutch’s end was the same, however, his words were just lines in a script he’d thought up decades ago, as shown in the scene with Arthur and the military, his final words were first said long ago. We can finally see his monologues as hollow as they’ve always been in that moment. As the video points out Dutch’s final words aren’t even really his, they’re Miller’s. This is indicative of a man who was nothing but an actor playing roles from beginning to end. The speech notes of his found in chapter 2 solidifies this for me. He clearly wants to be a politician or a lord over his own people, no authority higher than his, but he doesn’t even have the talent or strategic planning to do without f*cking it up, so by the end, it’s clear he’s always just been an actor reading a script. Unlike Miller, Dutch never regretted, never learned, always stuck to what worked for him and him only, til the end. You could also make a parallel between Miller realizing that with manifest destiny/colonization comes civilization and industry, first seen in him helping the natives but not understanding why it’s fruitless/why they’re being treated that way, and Dutch, who only ever curses civilization’s expansion as a way of cursing others for not letting him live the way he personally wants to live. Dutch simply doesn’t like the law or having any authority above him because of his God complex, not because of the very real very obvious horrors westward expansion unleashed upon the world that so upsets Miller. When you realize that, it’s doubly horrific the way he manipulates Native Americans to do his bidding in rdr1, playing them to see him as a savior who finally understands them, when that obviously couldn’t be further from the truth. He’s using their suffering as a means to an end just the same he did to Eagle Flies in rdr2-the same Eagle Flies who first requested Miller’s help to very little avail, which ultimately is what led Miller to realize what a transparent atrocity industrialization/colonialism & most importantly patriotism really is, and to shun it as it did him, allowing him to evolve into the Miller we meet as John, now being able to say openly that the people who perpetuate it are killing God, through their permanent negative impact on not only human life but all of nature’s. (Which in my opinion is easily some of the most anarchistic/socialist lines in the game, like, Dutch can only dream of lol but I digress) Eagle Flies’ journey from Miller to Dutch is noteworthy as it shows how trying to remain bureaucratic and civil to the powerful in the face of imminent annihilation by those same people, is always going to be useless, and anyone who is surprised by that has not paid nearly enough attention. However, violence for the sake of rage and revenge will stunt you entirely, and always leaves death and destruction in your wake, which is as we all know, exactly how Eagle Flies ended up, thanks to Dutch. Basically, Lenny’s Pa was right with that “those kinds of intellectuals are the scrounge of the American mind” in more ways than one. you’ll always have certain men pretending to be something they aren’t (be it an intellectual, a socialist, a man of the people, or anything really I suppose) and convincing many, many others to idolize them for it. That level of unrestrained ego which causes widespread deception is truly, literally, at the most basic level, what causes classism, manifest destiny and in general white supremacy, imperialism, etc all the things Dutch and Miller were supposedly against-but seeing as how the ego is responsible for convincing any one man he’s somehow better than any other, what do both of these men do with theirs? Because it is as much a personal, inward-seeking battle, to fight these things as it is to fight society itself, (after all who is society or the masses if not a bunch of individuals) that is where they both failed, (see again how they both admit “I can’t fight my own nature”) but for two different reasons: Miller was blissfully ignorant having always been privileged and never being able to take off his rose colored glasses until it was far too late, basically realizing he’s wasted much of his career and life. whereas Dutch purposefully ignored such introspection, opting to blame all his problems on others, or grand concepts he didn’t even understand such as society itself or the Law, seeing no importance in doing otherwise, as long as he liked how he was perceived on the outside it didn’t matter how he felt about himself inside. that’s the thing with using others as means to an end constantly your whole life-you end up doing the same to yourself.

@everybodylovesthesunshine8475

4 жыл бұрын

Such a succinct analysis, I'm glad I scrolled the comments today.

@kit664

4 жыл бұрын

everybody loves the sunshine that’s kind of you to say thank you ☺️ I just love this game so much I could talk about it forever haha clearly

@everybodylovesthesunshine8475

4 жыл бұрын

@@kit664 Thank you for sharing! The thought and care the writers put in to this game and the characters just continues to delight me, almost a year since I first picked it up. Do you write about it anywhere else? I'd be down to read more of your analyses if you do!

@benmcnaughton1861

4 жыл бұрын

Are we still in the KZread comment section? What a great analysis!

@bigskullnobrain3974

4 жыл бұрын

You said you wouldn't write a whole essay.

I like how in the cabin John has a open background with nature symbolism of how he’s truly free while miller’s is a dark cabin with a window the world he truly wants to be part of

I just love how much John cares about Miller.

The thing that hit me the hardest is how different Evelyn and Dutch’s philosophy’s are. Even with such stark differences, they both die the same way. They both die succumbing to their own nature.

@pattersonstopmotions1282

7 ай бұрын

They both die in the same region too

5:04-5:44 John sounds like the kid that doesn't pay attention and just goes along with it

Let's just appreciate how many baked beans this man has

@primigenius623

5 ай бұрын

"Roll that beautiful bean footage."

When i did this quest for the first time the model of evelyn miller bugged and when he was dead and john went inside evelyn was standing in place all rotten like😂i was like wtf is he a zombie or something

@deerbo2

4 жыл бұрын

That's fucking fantastic lol

@tempsitch5632

4 жыл бұрын

Congrats, you found the secret rdr2 undead nightmaree dlc.

Dutch when he reads he looks like the nerdy of the group trying to tell something but nobody cares

It’s kind of touching that after all those years and after all the times Dutch betrayed him John still sees Dutch as a friend.

@tutigseg

3 жыл бұрын

He also referred to him as his mentor

@ThaYoungChad

Жыл бұрын

That just shows how wise John is. Despite knowing Dutch is a ruthless killer, he still acknowledges how Dutch taught him everything he knew. Dutch and Hosea were the closest thing he had to a father.

bro is really walking around with 96 cans of baked beans

Lol when John found him dead, I KNEW he'd say "crazy bastard"

Who else didn’t know this was in the game until just now

How good is the dialogue in this game. I mean the graphics and story is second to none but the dialogue is so detailed.

"Unless you're showing me Big Foot". Funny, considering all of the conspiracy surrounding Big Foot in the first Red Dead Redemption game.

That’s funny. His cabin is the same one you find the bigfoot hunter in RDR undead nightmare. And when Evelyen take John out, John mentions how unless it’s Bigfoot he won’t be surprised.

Jesus, Rockstar really have some great writing

Hi this is a random theory... but would you say that Armadillo during the RDR2 Epilogue would be a metaphor for the lifestyle that Dutch and Arthur mention is dying? Its a very wild west looking setup with the vibe if you look closely, while everyone and everything is dying and deteriorating from Cholera, it somewhat reflects a metaphor on how the wild west life is fading out, taken over by industrialisation and law enforcement. Essentially being forgotten and left to rot as everything else moves on.

@brawl6049

2 жыл бұрын

Except armadillo still stands in rdr1

@Flex-cx7uj

2 жыл бұрын

@@brawl6049 you could say it recovered momentarily as a sign that john was back from retirement when his family is used as ransom. Then it went back to fading out.

"I can't fight my own nature. None of us can." That's a paradox, John. Guess we know where Dutch got it from.

I got fascinated by Miller from reading his stuff and even more after his mission. H His death was sad but I guess he completed his mission on earth.

*deep emotional moment while John is reading Miller’s final thoughts* KZread: “cHoOsInG sCaNa As OuR nAtUrAl GaS pRoViDer...” The recent mid-roll ad tsunami is making this platform almost unwatchable.

@pablotescobar5444

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man if you're on android check out KZread Vanced, and on desktop look into an ad adblocker. I have both and haven't seen an ad on KZread in a few months lol

@pablotescobar5444

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man if you're on android check out KZread Vanced, and on desktop look into an ad adblocker. I have both and haven't seen an ad on KZread in a few months lol

6:18 he has no idea how true that is

When you made that parallel to Dutch’s famous speech 😱😱😱 mind blown

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the graphic quality of the game + 60 FPS? Wow 🤩

Bruh for some reason I found Evelyn Miller standing next to his desk instead of dead on the chair. I actually thought that's how it was supposed to be too. (It was some sort of glitch)

This is depressing damn

@brianscott9153

4 жыл бұрын

Da truth tends to be nothing but

@madmando6425

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Scott tru

@StinkyPoopyMcFartFace

4 жыл бұрын

The only thing more depressing is playing as Legion.

Lady at the start is such a mood I can relate too.

It's ironic that Miller and Dutch want freedom but choose self sacrifice. The difference? Miller worked for his sacrifice, while Dutch used others [gang and Native] to earn if for him. Once his resources were exhausted; Dutch, overcome with the sudden irrationality of his dreams and desires, chose his own penance. Arthur understood this by the time he returned from Guarma, but his altruistic nature and loyalty prevented him from leaving. Actually; from late chapter 2, Arthur is aware the Dutch has changed and see's the hypocrisy of his actions. Arthur hints throughout the game of his duality (lawless vs order] in which he wants to be free but every step he takes with Dutch takes him further from what he wants and what he was [when he was younger]. His journal is really informative! Reading Arthur's thoughts and putting into context, his actions and motives as directed by Dutch really gives the player a great deal of insight into his complex character. "There's a good man within you. But he is wresting with a giant". "I see clearly, your world is not a world from which one can escape".

@IamtheDesperado

4 жыл бұрын

This game should have been called Red Dead Depression cause damn

@boxcutter4

4 жыл бұрын

I never looked at it like that... damn.

i think miller's arc is pretty reflective of dutch's. a sheep in shepard's clothing, someone who likes to think he leads the flock, but ends up following it himself. like lenny says, he speaks pretty but says nothing new. miller copies those before him, and dutch copies miller. and when the two step outside of what they know, they try to stop following trends and genuinely think for themselves, they come to horrible realisations, and scramble to find their sense of normalcy again - miller with his last book and dutch with his gang of easily manipulated, enraged native americans from redemption 1 - knowing the truth about themselves is too much for them, and they self destruct.

What a 20 minute masterpiece. Again. Never knew about this side mission. And the link between his work and Dutch final words... wow. Never knew. Thanks!

9:37 oh John, if only you knew what instore for you.

Played Rdr2 six times and never learnt about this...

@arcadew.7795

4 жыл бұрын

Yo nice comment definitely not my second account

@BruiserMan84

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO 😂

Dutch finds Miller and sees him as justification for what he does and what he wants

I think this entire series is about how impossible it was for people in an abjectly horrible world to strive for something good when most people didn't want or care about the possibilities in the good. Ultimately creating a sense of hopelessness amongst all the committed dreamers yearning for a better tomorrow in a time and place where tomorrow was only worse not better.

@YokieWartooth

4 жыл бұрын

I think that you're on the right track. I get a slightly different feeling about this mission / series. Miller was writing about man living like men, not striving to control the world like a god. The world IS god, there is no controlling it. If man can simply live like men and be at peace with what the world has given to us without overthinking and striving to be on top, man can accept his fate of a short lived life that will be briefly remembered, but ultimately will make no impact on god. Dutch was deceived by Miller because Miller's early writings talked about man being free to do as he wishes, and Dutch felt like freedom is part of human nature. Whereas Miller soon learned that freedom is the true cancer of humanity. Not only did he understand that towards the end, but he clearly felt remorse for the fact that he played a part in the downfall of individuals like Dutch by deceiving them unintentionally.

@ciarandolan7695

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting but what if to be free is what we need to live in the world as the world intended. It's not those of us who are free that cause the corruption of the world or god. It's those of us who cannot see that the ability to be free means we must be free. Otherwise we're lying to ourselves about the way the world made us. Beings able to make choices so long as those choices do not corrupt the very thing that allows us to live as nature intended free and easy. For most of human history we lived as migratory or semi migratory tribes and bands taking from the world what needed to be taken to sustain the band and larger tribe nothing more, nothing less. While that occasionally meant raiding other tribes and bands such actions didn't really have an effect on anything other than our own species. The advent and continued development of civilization has destroyed any such equilibrium and in the process corrupted our concept of god and the world that enigmatic being represents. So it's not freedom that is the deceiver, its ultimately our lack of an ability to recognize that we are free to change the course of our corruption and be free once again. With our own non civilization bound methods of doing so, miller did this as a final attempt to get john to realize that, and Dutch tried to get people to make this realization through examples he set in the world. Unfortunately no one appreciated either.

"Unless you're showing me Bigfoot, you should know I am not easily shocked, Mr. Miller". 4 years before he (technically) meets Bigfoot/Sasquatches, even though Undead Nightmare isn't canon.

Your work is outstanding, thank you.

Evelyn is like a real world Henry David Thoreau who helped find enlightenment back in the 1800’s. Henry wrote deep books like that and left away from society. Super good books if u want books similar to Evelyn.

I wonder what it would have been like if Dutch some how got to read the chapter John reads

13:04 "I cant fight my own nature" but yet hes choosing not to eat,drink,etc until hes finished his draft for his book...

Its sad how Johns sounds like he's holding in tears when Dutch Dies

Check out the statue of Quincy T Harris in Saint Denis, the word coward seems to have been painted on it, i assume by the lemoyne raiders, just thought it would be an interesting little video idea

@swews8157

3 жыл бұрын

Harris was a confederate general. No way the Raiders did that; must've just been some disgruntled Saint Denis resident

The parallels between Miller and Dutch are fascinating. I think, in the more sane and clear times in their lives, they were really similar people. And then something in them snaps, and it's really impossible to point to one moment or one cause, but they each spiral in their own way.

Fizhy, great video. I really loved Red Dead Redemption 2 myself and never knew that this quest existed until I saw this video so thanks for pointing it out. When I replay rdr2 I will definitely try this. I love your channel in general and would like to know your next comments video is out .

that was so fascinating. really amazing the things you can do with video games

Oh isn’t that the burnt down house from the first red dead where a bear attacks you during a mission

@bigskullnobrain3974

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I forgot about that

Glenn Villeneuve is a man who is/was on the Alaskan survival series “life below zero”. He lived a large portion of his time isolated, and said that there were sometimes where he didn’t even think in words, he just was. I think that is the thing for which Miller was striving. Even now, it is an attainable state, you just have to walk hundreds of miles from civilization and people and survive there on your own to do so.

9:34 thats a nice little reference, i just wish they would have added zombies it would be so cool

Evelyn Miller perfectly sums up Dutch's tragedy. Dutch continues to blindly believe in an America that does not exist and that is what drives him to make every decision we see. In my mind, at least, Dutch is not an evil manipulator of innocent souls, but a victim of belief in truth and purity.

The lady at the beginning sounds like she’s from the modern era or some very early modern era.

I think Evelyn Miller's theme song would be "Nature", by East Forest and Ram Dass. I like the rework by Hammock better than the original song. But this song wouldn't be when you first meet him, it would be when he's absorbed in the beauty of Nature. When Evelyn says that nature is God, that's almost an exact line from the song. But it goes like this: "Nature, is a manifestation of God." And there's another line: "When you hug a tree, you are hugging yourself." That goes in somewhere when you meet him on the cliff, I can't remember which line

The music in these scenes are so beautiful

I never got this mission lol

@Will-ob8xp

4 жыл бұрын

I 100% RDR2 yesterday and I've looked for it but it's never shown

@myboy_

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I met him at the mayor's and with rains fall, but never had that epilogue encounter

@Will_kid_cortez

4 жыл бұрын

I finally got it on my 3rd time playing the game

@fredster594

4 жыл бұрын

That's because you didn't come first at the comment sections because you are not as superior as ME who is Oscar worthy because I commented first at a comment section unlike you, who is probably lvl 1 and me who is lvl 9999999999.

@Taschip

4 жыл бұрын

You have to play his quest line.

Here is the irony: Dutch is Evelyn's foil. Miller left his "gilded haven" to dwell in a cabin in the mountains, and he dresses like any other country man. He seeks to be closer with nature, and, therefore, people; or at least their innermost nature, which he thinks is beautiful and gentle. Dutch is an outlaw who surrounds himself with luxury, listening to classical music and reading highbrow novels whilst the rest of the gang works to the knuckles so he can afford to live like a nobleman. Dutch does not want anarchy, he wants something akin to communism, where everybody shares, except him. He accures most of the resources the gang brings him, but he does not procure it himself. Am I making any sense?

@aquamarinemystique

3 жыл бұрын

But to be fair, Evelyn is naive, and glorifies the "noble savage" lifestyle he is convinced exists.

@YokaiX

2 жыл бұрын

You made sense until the Communism part. Communism being an inherently authoritarian ideology is a common misconception and lie, thanks to propaganda like from the Red Scare and McCarthyism and regimes like the Soviet Union, China, North Korea etc claiming to be communist, but their actions, policies and economies show otherwise. Dutch is like those regimes. True Communism is a system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community (or government/State democratically run by the societal community of the people/workers) and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs. This is what those regimes and Dutch pretend to be about, but merely used those ideas and ideologies to get common and downtrodden people on their side, for their own selfish gains. As for anarchy, there is a form of communism known as anarcho-communism. This is arguably the truest form of communism, and anarchist society without State/government, where the community contribute to each other and work for and with each other.

@aquamarinemystique

2 жыл бұрын

@@YokaiX Yes, another person said something similar, so let me clarify. Communism, as originally theorized, is exactly what you described, but every nation that has tried to become communist has instead turned into a dictatorship because the ones relegating the workers do not wish to relinquish authority. Dutch's gang is like that. Dutch promises equality, but he is the king. A true communist society has never existed, and I do not think one ever can.

This might sound far fetched, but Evelyn Miller almost feels like an allegory for Ted Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber. Ted was a brilliant mathematician who developed a deep environmentalism and a distrust for the machinations of "civilisation" from his exposure to the US government MKULTRA program in the 50s. Like Miller, he became so dissolutioned with what he saw as the inauthenticity of society, left his teaching post at a university and retreated to a cabin in the woods, from where he began his mailbombing campaign. I may be overthinking this - other people here have pointed out the similarities between Miller and Henry David Thoreau, for instance - but given the themes in the game of civilisation's encroachment on nature which are mirrored in Kaczynski's philosophy, I would be surprised if this was a complete coincidence.

@rinzler1801

3 жыл бұрын

i somewhat agree with ted. maybe not his methods but his belief that industrialism has caused more damage than it has solved

@CapsFan117

2 жыл бұрын

He's a peaceful version of Ted Kaczynski in my opinion.

Lenny saw him for what he was all along, a pretentious fop. He eventually discovered that himself it would seem. Surely a man won’t starve to death after just a week though.

If you ever go back to his burned ranch once again, a golden eagle can be seen on the roof of the ranch, implying that he had finally soaring in the skies with the eagles

evelyn miller writing "in this truth, i will find my absolution. i shall be set free." also made me think of the rdr1 mission, "the truth will set you free," where dutch dies. i couldn't understand much about either dutch or evelyn miller's philosophy but it's cool seeing how similar they are in sayings like that and the "you can't fight nature" stuff 🤷‍♀️

It would have been better if Rockstar allowed us to take his body outside and leave this beautiful cabin intact for future use.

Great videos! Keep it up!

You know Dutch van der linde sounds a lot like a socialist

@AngraMainiiu

4 жыл бұрын

He was also more of an Anarchist. Which makes sense since Anarchism & Socialism were quite popular in the late 1800s

@splayairplane3418

4 жыл бұрын

I think he's supposed to be an anarchist or something similar

@bigman6424

4 жыл бұрын

Dutch has anarchist and socialist ideals, but I don't think Arthur really cared since he says himself he isn't in politics

@SpadaccinoLuciano

4 жыл бұрын

He jokingly states a desire to join the Paris Commune to Hosea. I don't think Dutch is a super political man, per se, he seems more interested in the philosophical side of Socialism/Anarchism, way more likely to read someone like Miller, Thoreau, or Tolstoy than Marx and Lenin.

@bigman6424

4 жыл бұрын

@@SpadaccinoLuciano shit, you are right

FYI if you comeback to the remains of Evelyn Miller's house at night you will see a lot of Eagles around the place, also owls.

@HelllNawh

4 жыл бұрын

Did you have high honor by any chance?

@NicoParasite

4 жыл бұрын

@@HelllNawh Max honor.

@DMCS1917

4 жыл бұрын

I had max minimum honor and there was HUNDREDS of vultures and a black coyote, just like the one Arthur has if you’ve got low honor

@NicoParasite

4 жыл бұрын

@@DMCS1917 Interesting.

Man, I think my quest broke. I left food for him twice, now I still have the quest active, but when I go back, the curtains are drawn, I can't get back in and when I go up to the door, nothing happens. I'm pissed at that.

Love the intros!

17:28 that second to last sentence is still true to this day

Amazing the animation detail even on the smallest of roles in the game. I know it does not relate but on the subject it’s kind of sad to see what became of Evelyn Miller after almost the entire game touched on his ideals were based on this man’s writing through Dutch.

A lot of what Miller say confuses me, which may be the point I guess. I think another conversation Dutch has with Lenny in Chapter 2 about Miller sums it up that Miller was a pretender of sorts, someone trying to live true and raw but clearly had never lived the life he preached about. Miller was a man consumed by the very ideals which he preached against from the start, the fame and admiration that modern society gave drove his work and he attempted to escape it after releasing his hypocrisy. Miller is reflected in Dutch since the latter was always searching for a free country where others could be equal and free from society's classes and restrictions, though his selfish desires to gain respect from others and own ego were what really drove him. Dutch had been following his own warped vision of an already warped vision that its creator had lost faith in, both Miller and Dutch were hypocrites, but only Miller saw it, and that kind of thinking both lead them to suicide in the end...

Evelyn miller: “so you didn’t like my books?” JohnM:” I can’t read, …….. I can’t swim…….. I can’t stand up for myself…….. I walk into traps……… I do what anyone asks me to do regardless of consequences…… I don’t even know what my name is, I can’t decide who or what I am.

@svartvarg9778

11 ай бұрын

Not true.

I played Evelyn's sidemissions about a year ago and I remember they really hit me, and I related to them heavily in a strange way. The writers of Red Dead are complete geniuses, that's for sure

@rahulverma8774

2 жыл бұрын

But what was he trying to say I only understood that according to him nature is everything and humans are trash But what else was he trying to say ,and why john burned him when he wished to get eaten by eagles

Is there a way to get that book published? Is there someone you can give it to or does it just sit in your satchel like everything else?

When I'm done... just burn me. I wanna soar in the air with the Eagles. not rot in the ground with the worms. .....Evelyn Miller..... 🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯

@shakerog2358

4 жыл бұрын

One of the best part of the game. Really

@Zz0Z79

3 жыл бұрын

@@shakerog2358 it is stupid words

17:55 “Half cooked hermit” Well, he is fully cooked now

"Unless your showing me bigfoot..." Oh John. You poor unforseening man

Uhhhhh.... those hunters were minding their own business

Anyone who names their male child Evelyn is setting him up for a lifetime of bullying and sadness! 😟

@whiteiron4408

4 жыл бұрын

Evelyn is a unisex name

@whiteiron4408

3 жыл бұрын

@Josh Renzo False all 3 are unisex names

@whiteiron4408

3 жыл бұрын

@Josh Renzo for progressives.... meanwhile this name was most common in the days when men worked 20x harder than any of us do now.

@whiteiron4408

3 жыл бұрын

@Josh Renzo Evelyn Owen and Evelyn Wood, Wood being a man who earned the highest combat award medal in Britain...

@whiteiron4408

3 жыл бұрын

@Josh Renzo nobodies? lmao and it took me a long time because im not particularly bothered to prove anything to someone so stubborn, tell me when you go win the highest award in the military then you can talk, and both Evelyn Wood and Evelyn Owen are far from nobodies

The title of the stranger strand is a reference to one of his books, you can find it on the stand to attached to dutches tent

Its clear that this side mission was meant to be played as arthur and was cut to the epilogue not long before release. I mean, this is basically arthur moving with a john skin on, he has all his mannerisms. Also i don’t buy John calling dutch his “mentor” after everything that happened or when miller talks about the end of the west and john says “i’ve been seeing the signs” thats something Arthur would’ve said since back then the west wasnt truly over yet, yet in the epilogue it is. I wonder how much content they cut or shuffled around just to meet the deadline.

@andrescortes7460

Жыл бұрын

Why not john says in rdr1 that dutch was like a father a mentor to him