I would love to know why Dumbledore and generally all the professors went from dressing in fancy old-fashioned clothes to wearing wizard robes

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Because that's what happens when you're re pulling the story out of your ass as it goes along.

@GoldRubyProduction

Жыл бұрын

I had this exact thought during the video lol

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

Oh you know, wizzards and fashion amiright?

@Nemesis_T-Type

Жыл бұрын

Now that they are old they just want an excuse to wear their pajamas to work

@sexylazercatwizard

Жыл бұрын

Also how Dumbledore aged so much, thought he was hundreds of years old already and then just shrivels up when voldemort comes around

Fantastic Beasts 1 was a fun spinoff at the very least and should've been left at that. Making a franchise that completely ignores the message of the first as it goes along was an absolutely pathetic idea.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

The more she goes on the more I get the impression that Rowling has no idea what made HP work, what made it popular, and has no intention of finding out. She just seems to think anything with her name on it will print money. I've seen people saying that she's a one-hit-wonder whose one hit was released in seven parts: she's not actually good at writing, she just got lucky that one time.

@mmasont

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158 everything with her name on it DOES print money. That's the point lol. It doesn't matter if it's good writing, or why it works, it does. This trilogy grossed over 2 billion at the box office lmao

@astoldbynickgerr

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158 she seriously needs to be humbled

@omoomo9590

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158lmk pop

@PunditKING

Жыл бұрын

Have to disagree they where all bad. Some ok CG that's about it.

Gotta love how Newt almost has nothing to do with the sequels yet they keep having to shove him into situations that involve him fighting evil wizards when that has nothing to do with his job

@dontask9000

Жыл бұрын

Yeah like he deserved so much more than that. He’s easily the best and most interesting character of the series so idk why they couldn’t just center everything around him.

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

Are you Serious Newt was the important Charakter in the three movies. He stopted Grindelwald withe the swooping Evil und the first movie. In the second movie it was the Niffler from him who stopped Grindelwald destroy Paris. And in the third movie he has the most important role of all charakter to protect the Quillin from Grindelwald. And dont forget it was Newt who nearly saved Creedence and whole New York in the first movie. He is the most important chraracter of the whole franchise You all so dumb man. Have you ever watched the movies?

@Rambrus0

Жыл бұрын

I think the movie was all over the place. It could have been a very interesting story. The whole Credence story is bullshit. He was told to be this dude who was meant to defeat dumbledor, this got built up in the first 2 movies, then in the third Dumbledor kicks his ass in the first 5 minutes and okay move on. What a horrible plot. No offense on JK because she was kind of rushed to finish this.

@1NotN

Жыл бұрын

i swear almost every time someone has an issue with these films it comes from ppl who have no idea what they are talking about 1 newt is famous in the "sequels" 2 he is already dead and his story isnt relevant to most the plot just like grindlewald 3 newts grandson was both at the battle of Hogwarts and in books is the eventual husband of Luna 5 he was heavily sought after by auroas to join because have his magical abilities/knowledge n refused multiple times do to ethics 6 he wasnt shoved into anything to fight evi wizards he was doing favors on behalf of dumbledore that put him those postions 7 just becauase his "job" doesnt pertain to fighting dark wizards means jack all Arthur Weasley was in the order of the pheonix his job was working in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts office and Newt defiantly took knowledge from his job to help win multiple fights alot as if thats kind of the point of his character

@lucyfir2166

6 ай бұрын

​@1NotN wasn't that serious and using Arthur weasly as an example when it's two completely different situations makes no sense

Honestly I'd watch a movie with Newt just doing Newt things for 2 hours.

@ParisPK

Жыл бұрын

Same here I just want a story only on Newt and him capturing these beasts

@leiajiang7877

Жыл бұрын

Or just the married life of Dumbledore and just the two fighting

@iamsocks

Жыл бұрын

@@leiajiang7877 The Domestic Disputes of Grindlewald and Dumbledore

@dontask9000

Жыл бұрын

You and me both. I love Newt.

@finezyjnafantazja2495

Жыл бұрын

Why not have a prequel with Newt taking a gap year in Ugadu school in Africa and discovering local magical fauna while niffler cause troubles that make a wacky adventure. They could even have diverse cast as they wish if they set story in Tanzania. Black & white people even mulatoes living in friendship speaking German. Ooo I forgot everything needs to look like New York... the least magical place in the world. If they wanted to set it in a city why not Miami. It is near Bermuda Triangle that is famous from weird legends involving time skips & missing ships

Grindelwald and Dumbledore's love was very deep, very intense, very easy-to-edit-out-for-China.

@markcasadevall9509

Жыл бұрын

The only secret of dumbledore we find out in the movie is that dumbledore is gay. But that’s only a secret if you live in China

@JeanPaulBeaubier

Жыл бұрын

@@markcasadevall9509 (Young) Chinese movie-goers are actually pretty well aware of the stuff that gets edited out of their theater releases, though, because they all complain about not getting to see it online, so it's not even that much of a mystery. J.K Rowling is just fundamentally a coward about making things canon when she could just endlessly pay lip service to it on Twitter instead 🙄

@stormdoesgaming8919

Жыл бұрын

Ohh, referencing other KZreadrs is TIGHT!

@dinterdos

Жыл бұрын

@@stormdoesgaming8919 In fact it's super easy

@Cyberdragon3

Жыл бұрын

@@dinterdos ... barely an inconvenience

Remember when the first film was a charming, contained story about a quirky dude that went 'round documenting various magical beasts in the Wizarding world? Yeah- kinda turned into forgettable action-schlock.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

It went from Jurassic Park+Indiana Jones with magic to Wizard C-SPAN.

@sydney33thomas

Жыл бұрын

You seem to forget the political part of the film and the theme of abused children. These things are not funny. The first movie was pretty terrifying to me actually.

@Kastafore

Жыл бұрын

@@sydney33thomas Infinitely better then the other two stinkers.

@ChienaAvtzon

Жыл бұрын

@@sydney33thomas - Yeah…. the first film is a political spy thriller and was even marketed as such. The beasts were a distraction and every review pointed it out.

@inyrui

Жыл бұрын

@@sydney33thomas terrifying? Lol

I don't understand why she didn't just go for a more How to Train your Dragon type story. There's all these super dangerous monsters and everyone wants to kill them but when Newt was a child he came across one and it didn't attack him so he became curious. He tries to befriend them and finds out that everyone is unknowingly provoking them but if they change then they could live a mutually beneficial companionship. It'd be so much more heartwarming and fantastical than the gray drama we got.

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

You dont know how important Newts role in the franchise is. He is not there to caching magical creature like a pokemon he is so important because his knowledge and acting with the creature is the to save the world from Grindelwald. He is the only Reason why Grindelwald doesn't got so enormous power in the movies. Only because of Newt and his craeaturs and planing Grindelwald lost the fight in New York, Paris and Bhutan. It was not the minestry or Dumbeldore who stopped Grindelwald it was always Newt and his Magical craeatures. Thats why he is so fucking important and the maincharacter you Idiot

@gasterthemaster6490

Жыл бұрын

Did you want to spell "grey" or gay?

@yukikanegawa7470

Жыл бұрын

@@gasterthemaster6490 gray and grey are the same. The spelling changes based on region but neither of us is wrong in our spelling. I meant grey because of the literal tint of the movie. Twilight is associated with it's blue tint. I meant it like that. The literal color. I don't consider the movie a gay movie at all. It's gay by technicality. The whole Dumbledore thing is so unserious.

@strikerheadshot7215

Жыл бұрын

Homie singlehandedly wrote a better plot in 30 seconds than what took J.K. several years

@mayloo2137

6 ай бұрын

​@@yukikanegawa7470I was very happy when I didn't know about characters' sexuality or skin color. I blame JK Rowling for that. Never should have said anything.

Why didn't JK just make Fantastic Beasts its own thing then do a separate story about Grindlewald and Dumbledore? Wouldve been better

@Rambrus0

Жыл бұрын

Because she was asked to write a story for this movie. Not the other way around. You cant write a good story about something if it doesnt come from inspiration

@elektra121

Жыл бұрын

@@Rambrus0 That's not true. It's called craft. You can write very good story with very little inspiration- and you can write very bad ones with tons of inspiration.

@Rambrus0

Жыл бұрын

@@elektra121 thats true, but we saw on this movie that she wasnt free to write and especialy she was under a strict time limit.

@Scrummy64

Жыл бұрын

It also would've netted WB twice as much money. That's the most baffling thing about it: from both a creative perspective AND a greedy corporate one, they would've been way better off giving Dumbledore his own movie(s) and leaving Newt to his magical Pokémon adventures

I will never understand why they couldn’t just have left Fantastic Beasts series be about Newt running around saving various magical creatures and having fun adventures along the way and meeting people from all over the world - this could have been a magical Indiana Jones/Steve Irwin story and it could have been whimsical and fun. All the Grindelwald and Dumbledore drama literally could have been just another film series on its own. Combining the two plots is so entirely ridiculous given how polar opposite of tone they actually are.

@wind-flower

Жыл бұрын

It seems pretty obvious: Some suits at WB or JK (or possibly both) thought that moving away from new/original stuff and instead honing in on the "nostalgia content" directly related to the old series would increase sales. A part of me is really glad that they were proven wrong.

@CaptainPikeachu

Жыл бұрын

@@wind-flower one would think the logic would be that having two separate series of films would increase even more sales and get people more hyped. but I guess they didn’t subscribe to that logic.

@doodledangernoodle2517

Жыл бұрын

Newt being a Steve Irwin type character sounds incredible

@Xikuryas

Жыл бұрын

They didn't because the first movie released in 2016 where the main concern of JK was ecological with the stereotype fascist evil antagonist Voldemort-like. The big problem being that in 2017 Donald Trump got elected, so JK was like "God dammit, i made a 7 books best seller that led to the creation of one of the most beloved and viewed movie saga about a Teenager fighting a fascist dark magician dictator and the alt right got to the head of the USA" So there was a shift in the story because the main concern of JK changed along the way being that alt right was still rising

@MrDman21

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

I think JK _really_ overestimated how much we wanted to see the Grindelwald/Dumbledore story. They hung out for a summer, had a big fight, avoided each other for _years_ then fought once and Dumbledore won. And Grindelwald basically just surrendered depending on who you believe. That's not enough for a story

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

It's basically two adults who never got over their high school relationship. And she's making an entire series of movies about that. That's barely enough plot for a single 90 minute romcom. Adding wizards to that doesn't make it enough plot for a franchise Joey.

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

I think she was super invested in it and thought, since Harry Potter was so successful, everyone else would gladly be along for the ride.

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

Gay wizzards and where to find them starring Newt from the Fantastic Beasts book

@kamurotetsu4860

Жыл бұрын

It is pretty funny there's apparently two more films being made in this shitfest. Rowling doesn't know when to stop.

@RJKilroy

Жыл бұрын

It's enough for maybe a short film or a short movie.

Wait, so Queenie joined a group that hated Muggles, willingly, and yet Jacob still married her? How is she even the same person anymore? Like, I could see them still having a relationship if she was being Imperio'd, but she wasn't, it came across like very much a choice that she made. How can they possibly have a decent relationship anymore when she put a love enchantment on him, abandoned their relationship to join Grindewald, and then just... came back? Yes she cried over you when you were being cursed but come on Jacob you're worth more than that

@Onsvaltti

Жыл бұрын

Plus harry potter wikia says that Jacob was single, he never married Queenie 🧐 but Newt is "still" together with Tina. Then again, this was after the first movie, I don't know if JK changed the history/lore. Wouldn't be surprised.

@idaowens6237

Жыл бұрын

Jacob absolutely should have run as fast and as far as he could to get away from her. Find himself a nice lady who isn't a walking red flag, and settle down without ever thinking about Queenie again.

@gaspenpayne6755

Жыл бұрын

Cause it doesn't matter if she hates muggles, he still getting that pu*sy. Tho marrying her is probably overdoing it.

@hannahwhittle6009

Жыл бұрын

I may be nuts, but I kind of liked the resolution. It feels like in every story, if someone does something like that, they have to pay the ultimate price, and they decided to do something different. It looked like forgiveness was sprinkled in as the theme so...I dunno. I definitely hear your point though.

@henrikaugustsson4041

Жыл бұрын

The better question is: Queenie joined a group that hates muggles even though she LOVES A MUGGLE!!!??

I just realized something: If the Qilin is crucial to Wizard elections, why is there a general apathy towards magical creatures as stated in the first movie? If you had a creature that could decide elections, I feel like some people would go "Hmm, I wonder if other creatures are as useful as this one."

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

You do know that the study of magical creatures may have gone back thousands of years and by then no other magical animal similar to the quillin had been found and unless something new was found, the old one was used

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

@@elektra121 no thats exactly how this works because the minsestry send lots of people in the world to find better creatures than or something liketthe Quillin and if there is no one there is no one 🤷‍♂️ Newt for example was also send out in the world to find and study mit creatures he is one of the people who search for better creatures. He for example write every new creature in his book or tell the minsestry about it because he work for the minsestry of magic. He is one of the people who study and search for New creatures but if there is no new creature than there is no new creature Because the study of magical cratures needs a lot of time for example obscurial they exist since 1500 and even after those years no one ever understood how they work and what they are and how big they power is. And when in this century years or how long the election exist no new creature is found they use the old one

@thesadarsenalfan3319

Жыл бұрын

People are doing the same thing in the real world tbh, so idk why its odd to you? I mean people kill threatened species all over the world, despite knowing their importance to the ego system. You are giving critic just for the sake of giving critic, and not really comming with anything constructive at all

@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu

Жыл бұрын

​@@thesadarsenalfan3319 not everyone does it, and the people who does it are not seeing well by the general public. I don't think it's the same

@schwarzerritter5724

Жыл бұрын

The idea that magical creatures only have value if they are useful is part of the problem.

I don't understand why they created the magical deer and described it as the "purest creature of the world"... while they had the unicorn from the 1st HP movie... It would have been so cool to bring the first magical beast of the entire saga and create a plot around it. And then after all the shennanigans, Dumbledore takes it to Hogwarts and put it in the Forbidden Forrest... BOOM continuity.

@sethmp333

Жыл бұрын

But then again people would complain that they are just trying to connect stuff that doesn’t need connecting

@heromedley

Жыл бұрын

nah that would be too good of writing for JK

@slowkugaming4945

Жыл бұрын

JK Rowling didn't create the Qilin, it's a Chinese mythical beast. I'm not posting links but just do a search on Qilin origin. The thing about imminent arrival or passing of a illustrious ruler is accurate but the "purest creature in the world" is a Rowling butchering. Qilin will fiercely defend a pure person if threated by someone evil.

@ibn_ismail

Жыл бұрын

@@sethmp333 Who the hell would complain about something so mundane?

@eli-he9nz

Жыл бұрын

they didn’t even create it lol, it’s already a creature from chinese mythology and, according to wikipedia, it’s also often translated to “unicorn” in english, so i guess technically it’s not far off

The coolest thing about The Crimes of Grindelwald was in the theatre next to our screening they was showing Bohemian Rhapsody. So occasionally you'd just hear Queen songs blasting through the wall. They kill the dragon thing at the end as "WeEeEeEeEeEeE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" was blasting out. Rest of the movie was so bad I skipped the third one.

@baconfoxxe5577

Жыл бұрын

LMFAO

@grimmus5505

3 ай бұрын

apparently the third ones better than the second, but i didnt bother to watch either so idk lol

@radoslavl921

Ай бұрын

"NO TIME FOR LOSERS!"

FUN FACT- When Nifflers were introduced into the hp series, Ron said he'd want one. Hagrid told him it wouldn't be a great idea bc a Niffler will rip your house apart looking for shiny... I'm pretty sure this happens in Goblet of Fire

@kalifogg6610

Жыл бұрын

It definitely happened in Order of the Phoenix to Umbridge; someone levitated one into her office and it trashed it and chased after her because of her shiny rings.

@alim.9801

7 ай бұрын

​@@kalifogg6610 it was originally introduced in Goblet of Fire and then briefly mentioned in Order of the Phoenix when they were trying to antagonize Umbridge

Here's how you make a Fantastic Beasts series work: Movie 1: Child and young Newt discovering his fascination with magical beasts, perhaps gets flak about it from his peers. Some stuff from his time at Hogwarts. Maybe he saves someone from a beast by using his *knowledge.* A more character-focused piece to really help us understand why Newt cares so deeply about this. Movie 2: Young adult Newt, fresh-faced, emerges into a wizarding world that seems cold and uncaring towards the beasts Newt holds in such high regard. Now starts his real quest, to educate people about, and preserve, these wonderful creatures. This would be a lighthearted affair for the most part, lots of antics of Newt interacting with various creatures. Movie 3: Adult Newt faces off against groups of poachers, both muggles and wizards. He realizes he has a duty to teach the world about these creatures and settles on writing his new encyclopedia. A slower movie with some pre-environmental messages in there. And you know what none of those stories require at all? Any of the established HP characters. No Dumbledore, no Grindlewald, nothing. Keep the overarching wizarding world and its politics to background noise.

@kartoffel4050

7 ай бұрын

then...basically how to train your dragon, but harry potter?

@nokaton

6 ай бұрын

@@kartoffel4050 Yes. And nothing is wrong with that. They could have even made Harry Potter 2.0 by having the Movie 2 about Newt in Hogwarts exploring creatures in the forbidden forest, having friends, etc. And in Movie 3, 4, 5, 6 it can be about Newt exploring magical cretures around the world with some local subplots. JK already had an Idea about different magical cultures around the world during the first actual Fantastic beast movie, but then, in the real-world second movie, all of those ideas were abandoned and the movie transformed into Dumbeldores and the half-blood boyfriend.

Also, at what point did Dumbledore decide to change clothing style from 1940's gangster to medieval wizard robes?

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

I think he just got old & wanted to wear pajamas to work

@Niobesnuppa

Жыл бұрын

@@arnahunas4048 Pretty relatable.

@dogalrorn

Жыл бұрын

I see you haven't worked as a teacher.

@portraitofablueavatar114

Жыл бұрын

try becoming an old man bro, my grandpa had one of the drippiest clothes in existence and now he's just wearing a long shirt with jorts

@aoihitori

Жыл бұрын

So my grandpa is a wizard now?

i love hp but i could never get into fantastic beasts even though i came out of the first movie loving newt’s character… he feels so incredibly out of place in the main conflict. i’d pay money to watch a movie of just him exploring the world rehabilitating cool, exotic wizarding creatures, not to watch grindelwald and dumbledore beef it out. both characters were 10x more compelling when we didn’t know what had happened to begin with.

@lloydbarger6596

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

@gaminwhale6188

Жыл бұрын

Grindelslong and dumpydore

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Recently Vince Gilligan and the rest of the Better Call Saul team have been completing their masterclass on how to craft a prequel: developing tension when we already know how the story ends, keeping audiences interested in a preexisting world without resorting to cheap nostalgia for the preexisting property, and just about all of the other pitfalls a prequel can fall into have been expertly avoided and subverted to the point where there's actual debate as to whether BCS is a better show than Breaking Bad. Fantastic Beasts feels like Rowling is using the list of prequel pitfalls as a roadmap, and she's digging for lost gold at the bottom of them there pits.

@maleeliy1232

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminwhale6188 dumpydore ☠️

@thejasminedragonmerchant6843

Жыл бұрын

That was what I thought Fantastic Beasts was going to be! I wanted to see Newt traipsing around the Magical and Muggle worlds, finding and rescuing exotic magical creatures and compiling his research into his journals! It would've been awesome, instead we just got more rehashed wizard politics and barely any actual magical creature shenanigans ☹️

I swear the second and third movies are just straight up fanfics.

@liampatrick3110

Жыл бұрын

The first one was a boring mess!

@velaethia6

Жыл бұрын

that's an insult to fanfic. 90% of fanfix probably better than those movies.

@samgoff5289

Жыл бұрын

@@velaethia6the entire series is lame af and completely breaks all cannon

@f1fanatic241

Жыл бұрын

@@samgoff5289 honestly, the entire franchise is literally for children.

@f1fanatic241

Жыл бұрын

@@samgoff5289 I was the kid in school who’d call you g@y for being a fan. I stand by it.

Whats so frustrating is they made a point to say jacob is useful because he’s a good guy then they have the deer baby pick the leader, could’ve had that pick the muggle as he’s pure of heart and then all the wizards would see muggles are like them and worthy which defeats grindlewald’s whole campaign.

@sterilepickle544

Жыл бұрын

But vvomen leader though 🥺👉👈

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

You don't understand writing. If it makes sense to the entire story and is satisfying to the people watching, it's a bad story. If everybody is gay, poc and it is a hardcore gay furry trans species dragon kin porno with no story, it's actually the best, most inclusive and exact realistic representation of what non-white, non-male, non-straight people think reality is... In their safe space.

@JimmyBoy9878

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjohnson1633 furry came from no where except you my dude.

@mrburton8842

5 ай бұрын

Wow. What a wonderfully simple and endearing conclusion. I love it. When do we start filming?

Honestly, if we had gotten a 1 or 2 season show of Newt chasing down and re-capturing the various magical creatures, each episode focusing on a specific breed or 2, and maybe the ocassional scuffle with poachers and the odd Dumbledore cameo, it coulda been dope.

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

You dont know how important Newts role in the franchise is. He is not there to caching magical creature like a pokemon he is so important because his knowledge and acting with the creature is the to save the world from Grindelwald. He is the only Reason why Grindelwald doesn't got so enormous power in the movies. Only because of Newt and his craeaturs and planing Grindelwald lost the fight in New York, Paris and Bhutan. It was not the minestry or Dumbeldore who stopped Grindelwald it was always Newt and his Magical craeatures. Thats why he is so fucking important and the maincharacter you Idiot

@Rambrus0

Жыл бұрын

i would have loved a "pokemon" like movie where Newt saves these animals from hunters or something like that and he and his saved animal fight side by side. That would have been nice. Or az least make him save a magical creature in the first part and it becomes his sidekick like Pikatchu was to Ash. Would have been much better than this mess.

@aoihitori

Жыл бұрын

That's makes the Title more sense than what we got... A bunch of characters introduced but none of em had depth, so you are not even care if they died cuz why. This series are really messy.

@karolinakuc4783

Жыл бұрын

@@Rambrus0 True. The only funny element is Newt & Jacob. Series should be all about them.

@91earthlink

Жыл бұрын

Not everything works as a show or needs to be a show lol. Imagine instead of 9 hours of this shit we got 20

Honestly I would love a tv show where newt just went around saving and documenting magical creatures around the world. You would get to see how different wizard cultures around the world worked, see cool and unique creatures, and newt would be able to be in a type of story that fits him better than whatever film series they tried here

@nbucwa6621

Жыл бұрын

JK doesn't have the range to imagine experiences outside of her own.

@baconfoxxe5577

Жыл бұрын

Would've been better if Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them went from one solo movie and into a series. The newer generations of kids would've loved a tv series like it. Then go for another HP spinoff movie but solely about the history of Dumbledore and Grindelwald and just put Newt as just the support character in it since he's being put away from his own limelight on his own sequels. Maybe in the alternate treatment Newt will be more treated as the central character possibly and ironically.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

@@nbucwa6621 She misinterpreted the classic advice to write what you know to mean that you should write ONLY what you know. The Potterverse is just her England exactly as is, with random stock fantasy elements thrown into it with all the care of some fifth graders filling in a Mad Libs with all of the swear words they know. It's easily the least imaginative fantasy world ever put to page. I mean the entire magic system begins and ends with saying what you want to happen in Google Translate level Latin for fuck's sake.

@brittanylewandowski6200

Жыл бұрын

You can watch that. It's called Pokemon.

@vixiestarfire

Жыл бұрын

It’s so obvious it’s right there ripe for the taking and it practically writes itself! I thought something like that with adult Harry and Ron as aurors in a buddy cop type show with magic crime fighting

I personally fell in love with the first movie because of magical beasts, Newt and actually Jacob. I found their interactions and Jacob discovering the world of magic interesting and really entertaining. I would love to watch a series with mostly that.

It kinda makes sense for Newt to be the first to care about these creatures… wildlife conservation in real life is a VERY new field.

If the series was all about Newt and crazy animals, I probably would've liked it more. My wife and I enjoyed the first, but we were both bored and confused during the second, still haven't seen the third because we're just not really interested.

@TheOldMan-75

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Just make mystery movies about Newt and some magical creatures. Those movies should be similar to Chamber of Secrets where HP and the gang find out about the basilisk. Instead they are more like Deathly Hollows where it's all about some great evil threatening the entire world.

@weregretohio7728

Жыл бұрын

I can't believe it's NOT about that. Why wouldn't they make that? Oh wait, because it's JK Rowling. It's such a simple and appealing idea. It would have had such a good chance of success. Giving actual definition to the universe without dragging nostalgia bait and dumb retcons into a convoluted plot.

@CaptainSweatpants90

Жыл бұрын

Yup, sums up my thoughts exactly. I will most likely never watch the third one, because hearing a summary of it, the whole "Let's do random bullshit to confuse Grindelwald" let me know that this movie HEAVILY leaned into the thing that I hated about the second one - random bullshit that has nothing to do with anything. Honestly a shame what became of the Harry Potter franchise, and how it still makes a shitton of money because people can't let go of the things they feel nostalgic for.

@JamesonHuddle

Жыл бұрын

This sumarizes my experiance as well, I watched like the first 2 mins of the third and was like damn this is gonna be trash just like the last one. Newt is a really cool character despite having continuity/logic issues created by the writing.

@zitronentee

Жыл бұрын

Ikr. I expected it to be like Indiana Jones and Pokemon, but no... Another Gryffindor.

I love the moment when Newt enters his suitcase and meets Jakob Kowalski then Jakob says ,,You found the Fantastic Beasts”. Sends chills down my spine.

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

That line’s good, but I like Newts’ reply to it more. “And now you know where to find them” Peak cinema.

@tdw1127

Жыл бұрын

@@arnahunas4048 truly one of the lines of all time

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

I loved it when Grindelwald said "It's Grindeling time" and started grindeling all over those guys.

@TH_Zireael2077

Жыл бұрын

@@tdw1127 I got absolute chills in the second movie when the prison guards said 'He's in here because of the crimes of Grindelwald'.

@tdw1127

Жыл бұрын

@@TH_Zireael2077 Rowling approved

What’s so funny is that Hermione gave her parents memories back after the battle of hog warts. It didn’t have to be the bad memories good memories thing

@karolinakuc4783

Жыл бұрын

How much of our happy childhood memories is just our brain changing reality to evade trauma. Yet it is those scary that make our brain work faster and remember.

@Ronin3453

Жыл бұрын

@@karolinakuc4783 That was also a view I had. But I've found it to be very untrue.

My best compliment for the series is having Newt NOT become the "action hero" character by the end. He always remains an awkward withdrawn type of guy, showing a different kind of lead

I feel it would have made more sense if instead Grindelwald was this evil wizard poacher. This would have given Newt more stake in the movies while also not being repetitive with "Ew Muggles are less because they're different". Not sure if you can make 3 movies from that but it sure would have been more entertaining than a lesser rendition of HP with a Character that has to be shoehorned into each movie.

@camjohnson5517

Жыл бұрын

I think if Fantastic beasts and where to find them was a standalone story and the next two films were a different “series” would have made more sense tbh. It’s a perfectly good plot that fits a one movie story arc. Even the reveal of grindelwald works just fine as a plot element because it’s the only tie two the next two movies given in the first. A separate grindelwald vs dumbledore trilogy would have worked better without newt as the main character

@quitegauche

Жыл бұрын

Grindelwald v. Dumbledore should have had it's own conflict tbh. I was really into the first Fantastic Beasts cause the main protagonist wasn't this typical masculine hero type. He was just a good man with empathy for the magical creatures that the wizarding world didn't fully understand or respect. It should really have just been about Newt Scamander writing his book for Augustus Worme and with a SMALL dash of the conflict.

@CruelestChris

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, as it is it's like watching an account of the War On Terror told from the perspective of Steve Irwin.

@bekleedee

Жыл бұрын

Kinda makes me think of a Team Rocket thing lol "I'm going to get your niffler, Newt! I'll get him!"

They said the Accio charm only works on objects, so it doesn't work on animals or living things. I think that's why he didn't use it on the Niffler in the first movie. I don't know what happened between the two movies. Either Rowling forgot or she just said "fuck it" with her own canon and let Newt use the charm on the creature... Idk, but the charm is supposed to only work on senseless objects...

@sd5371

Жыл бұрын

Same with the projonis charm(I butchered the spelling but it's the one that deflects dementors. Suddenly it became an instant message/email charm with talking spirit animals like at that Wesley wedding

@NawiTheCore

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: In HP and the Deathly Hallows, Harry tries to Accio Hagrid when he falls down their flying motorbike and of course it doesn't work. Later on a Death Eater tries to summon Harry's cloak, since he knows it's impossible to summon Harry himself, but it doesn't work either because cloaks are enchanted to prevent being summoned by anyone but the owner. So Accio is not as useful as people think it is, especially when it comes to summoning living beings.

@ParsureArts

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Newt was using Accio on the animal’s jewelry?

@jacksonfriend4169

Жыл бұрын

@@ParsureArts In one of the scenes he says "Accio Niffler".

@Alex-ve1og

Жыл бұрын

In the first movie he still could have used accio if he had done it on the jewelry the niffler was carrying without breaking the canon. But hey, lazy plot devices and JK Rowling, name a better duo

It would've been better to say that the power of love protected Jacob's memories of Queenie. It's cliche, but is more inline with the lore, Harry being protected from Voldemort by his mother's love, and so on and so forth.

Tbh, Jacob is still one of my favorite characters. I feel he represents people/ fans who discovered Harry Potter and the Wizarding World and wish that they could be apart of it. It broke my heart at the end when he was forced to leave the world and Queenie behind. Also would have loved if the Fantastic Beast Films were you know...ABOUT THE FANTASTIC BEAST!! Could care less about the Dumbeldore and Grindlewald arc.

I think the focus of these movies should’ve been about the other magical schools. Give us an opportunity to see what the rest of Wizarding World is like outside of Hogwarts. We already know how the Grindelwald and Dumbledore story ends. If JK wanted to make movies about them, just do that. Maybe the series called Fantastic Beasts should have be about been, oh, I don’t know, the fantastic beasts, and perhaps, possibly, even where to find them. Seriously, all they had to do was a magical nature documentary starring Wizard Steve Irwin traveling around the world trying to catch Pokémon. That’s a much better premise for a series of movies, IMO.

@RuinedSilver

Жыл бұрын

"And here we see the- Oh dear. um... cut the camera, the niffler is stealing the cables again." "Sir" "Give me that- yes, cameraman?" "Is... uh, is the big feathered cat dragon thing supposed to be approaching???"

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

@@RuinedSilver LMFAOOOOOOOO

@wintermoon7003

Жыл бұрын

I never watched these movies but that's EXACTLY what I thought the first movie was about.

@nulleins8672

Жыл бұрын

yesss!!! tbh i really like newt scamander as a character. the only cool hufflepuff besides frickin edward cullen. i‘d watch the shit out of a series or movie that revolves just around him and the fantastic beasts.

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I'm not even into Harry Potter and I would watch that so much I'm not even kidding.

I haven't watched the movie yet but I still think it would have been much more interesting if the deer thing chose Jacob instead of Dumbledore. That would have been an excellent way to show the magical community in the movie that Muggles are worth more than what they think.

@malepatternbaldness.

Жыл бұрын

That's literally what u expected to happen in that scene, like there was so much build up to Jacob being the "pure of heart" one. It was explicitly stated that they were bringing him along just because of the strength of his character in his very first scene of the movie and then on multiple later occasions. And like you said, it would show the wizards who were supporting Grindewalds whole 'master race' bullshit that a muggle could be more morally pure than all of them.

@joebenzz

Жыл бұрын

@@malepatternbaldness. I was totally expecting that too and kinda wanted it to be

@TG-ge1oh

Жыл бұрын

You're expecting roo much from Rowling. Might as well ask for GoT's 8th season to not suck.

@ianhoddinott9492

Жыл бұрын

I would've have been fine with it bowing to _anyone_ other than Dumbledore. Because I thought a big part of Half-Blood Prince's plot is that Harry finds out that Dumbledore is not as flawless as he thought he was.

@redeks7015

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people say that. But those same people obviously don't understand how bigotry works.

I liked the quilon plot. That should have been Grindewalds thing through all three movies, that he also understood magical creatures but used them for evil. And Newt is the only guy that can stop him. This would also lead into the future where Dumbledore has a soft spot for magical creatures and protects them and Hagrid who also loves creatures.

The thing is, Fantastic Beasts was supposed to be centered mainly around Newt and his creatures. To introduce us to magical creatures that he didn’t get to see in Harry Potter. The lore between Dumbledore and Grindelwald might’ve made an amazing franchise if it was a story explored and told separate from Newt and his storyline. What made the first movie good was how it lived up the the name, it showed Newt and all his wonderful creatures. But they added in this whole plot that, on the surface, had absolutely nothing to do with Newt and his creatures, but they crammed the two storylines together. Fantastic beasts should’ve just been centered around Newt and Jacob and them exploring magical creatures. I’d have loved to see something like that for the second and third movie.

@karolinakuc4783

Жыл бұрын

True it would be like Harry Potter from Hagrid's perspective. And it would not be boring. One theory says that Hagrid was a double spy. Newt could be too. Magic beasts had a crucial role in conflict between mages, muggles and Grindelwald's followers. For they were scapegoats since their inability to control instincts made them a great tool to cause havock. It it would seem only do harm but they are crucial for maintaining magic. You could see that eagle like bird from 1rst part healing trauma in muggles by making them forget bad memories connected with magic.

I feel these movies didn't need an overarching good-vs-evil plot. It could have easily been about Newt and his friends (that maybe can't read minds?), exploring the wizarding world outside of Hogwarts and all the magic animals that inhabit it. They could have the group explore rare animals, cool places and the peoples and cultures of the wizarding world. It would have been probably very interesting, what magical south american, african or asian magical beasts are like. It could have also been interesting how different cultures use magic and how they interact with one another. There could have also been poachers and other kinds of evil, yet kind of unimportant on a grand scale, villains to make the plot more lively. HP, to me at least, thrives mostly from viewers/readers imagining the different world and exploring it through the eyes of a protagonist as a means of escaping real life. It would have been lot better and less complicated to just let Newt and his friends explore the wizarding world through their individual pov's and maybe let the Grindelwald plot run more or less in background through newspapers and occasional mention from other characters. I guess what I'm saying is that, they needn't have made a movie trilogy called "Fantastic Beasts" when it's about Grindelwald and Grindelwald only, instead of Fantastic Beasts.

@MiraCassandre

Жыл бұрын

It would have been so nice indeed!

@deedee2455

Жыл бұрын

This what I have in mind after watching the first movie

@sn13314

Жыл бұрын

Yes, let the quartets explore more

@cryptidmilk4074

Жыл бұрын

J.K. Rowling doesn't have the brains or talent to produce anything better than this, let alone anything remotely culturally diverse or interesting 😶

@dwitsha

Жыл бұрын

@@cryptidmilk4074 I mean, I think she did create something nice with the original so I wouldn't consider her talentless. I don't know how much involvement or power she had in the creation process of Fantastic Beasts but the product definitely lacks courage ti make something knew and feels more like cheap fanfic.

Just want to point out Newt didn't want to tell the government about the thunder bird because they have been hunting and killing magical beasts to extinction, so he didn't want them to know it's location so he was using the cover of buying some probably very common creature instead of reveal he has a super rare Pokemon

Legilemens were introduced in order of the Phoenix. Snape was a legilimens and he was teaching Harry occlumency which blocks a legilimens power. That was a main conflict of the book. Snape was using his legilimensy to read Harry’s mind so Harry could learn occlumency

I think the reason there isn't Legilimens used as much because it's hard to learn how to do it, and there are also Occlumens who can 'counter' them by closing their minds. It's a critical part of The Order of the Phoenix. Occulumency is how Snape is able to keep his secrets from Voldemort, who is a skilled Legilimens.

@Ronin3453

Жыл бұрын

The whole Legilimence, occlumence thing is supposed to be very very rare and largely unheard of to the general public tbh.

@schwarzerritter5724

Жыл бұрын

Ronin3453 We have only Snape's word Occulumency is rare and Snape has a tendency to exaggerate how difficult the things he is good at are. Any wizard putting their mind to it can learn it, most just don't bother putting their minds to it.

@Ronin3453

Жыл бұрын

@@schwarzerritter5724 while I don't disagree with you, I also don't agree with you.

@nicolpineda8632

11 ай бұрын

​@@schwarzerritter5724 i don't agreed. It doesn't have to do with Snape especially. In the Wohl harry Potter series we have people saying that this kind of magic if very difficult to learn o a very rare occurrence, only for a random (mostly harry or his friends) casting them with no problem.

I fell in love with Newt's character. I was so interested in the beasts and different creatures and oh my GOD did I want to see a dragon or something cool like that but instead we got a stupid, boring, anticlimactic EXES TURNED RIVALS story that had nothing to do with Fantastic Beasts or where to find them. Newt became a boring background character. And honestly I only enjoyed the scenes with him. I wanted beasts not two exes fighting smh.

@delusion5867

Жыл бұрын

Newt becomes a plot device to get you to the _cool_ wizards because JK doesn't like a non-life threatening plot and she doesn't think her magical creatures are interesting enough to not be plot devices for her wizard romcom. JK says that newt needs to get out the way so the _badass_ wizards can have _their_ turn. Newt is the worst case of character death caused by plot confusion I've seen.

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

You dont know how important Newts role in the franchise is. He is not there to caching magical creature like a pokemon he is so important because his knowledge and acting with the creature is the to save the world from Grindelwald. He is the only Reason why Grindelwald doesn't got so enormous power in the movies. Only because of Newt and his craeaturs and planing Grindelwald lost the fight in New York, Paris and Bhutan. It was not the minestry or Dumbeldore who stopped Grindelwald it was always Newt and his Magical craeatures. Thats why he is so fucking important and the maincharacter you Idiot

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

@@delusion5867 You dont know how important Newts role in the franchise is. He is not there to caching magical creature like a pokemon he is so important because his knowledge and acting with the creature is the to save the world from Grindelwald. He is the only Reason why Grindelwald doesn't got so enormous power in the movies. Only because of Newt and his craeaturs and planing Grindelwald lost the fight in New York, Paris and Bhutan. It was not the minestry or Dumbeldore who stopped Grindelwald it was always Newt and his Magical craeatures. Thats why he is so fucking important and the maincharacter you Idiot

@karolinakuc4783

Жыл бұрын

@@delusion5867 True. I think Rick Riodan's book series such as Kane Chronicles and Percy Jackson and Olympian Gods have better magic system.

@nichlasbach8409

Жыл бұрын

@@karolinakuc4783 Who the fuck mentioned magic systems bruh

I remember after finishing the second movie, I thought that if this were a series like Warehouse 13 where each episode was dedicated to Newt interacting with a new beast in some way, it would be fantastic and more loyal to its source material. Sadly, the Grindelwald storyline is fascinating and could have been a great story, but the whole thing is just a mess of two different stories.

@NoahGooder

Жыл бұрын

hell yes with the warehouse 13 idea.

@KaytheWooper

Жыл бұрын

They should’ve either focused on the Fantastic Beasts thing or the Grindelwald story with Dumbledore as the protagonist, not both at the same time

@user-wr8bs8vx9r

Жыл бұрын

Ohmygod Warehouse 13... Back when I had to rely on a dead torrent because there wasn't any other way. One of my favs:)

Seriously, the easiest thing in the world for a good follow-up to Fantastic Beasts would just to have it be the case that after the events of the first movie, Grindelwald and his Dark Wizards start capturing Magical Beasts that the Wizarding World neglects to preserve/protect and start using them as living weapons. And the reason Newt becomes involved is that while Aurors are able to fight back against Dark Wizards fairly well, they need a Magizoologist to tag along to pacify the Beasts that are being conditioned into living weapons. Even have it be the case that the film opens with an Auror raid against a Dark Wizard Beast menagerie, they end up having to kill the ones that’ve gone feral, and when Dumbledore learns that the deaths could have easily been avoided, he personally recommends that the Ministry seek out Newt to prevent another senseless tragedy. There. It’s that simple. You can still have all the other characters involved, but it gives a more solid reason for why Newt is being thrust into a Magical Cold War than just, “Help us track down Grindelwald or else we’re cancelling your traveling visa.”

what would've been a much better plot is Newt's story and how he came to love the animals. Him trying to raise awareness on how the beasts are harmless unless provoked showing us how he develops his books and also expose us to a few interesting animals. Flashbacks to how he was bullied in school for being different, while his brother was always praised and loved. Leta lestrange being the only person that stood by his side through it all. All while there are references to characters we know and love (or hate), with dumbledore and mcgonagall being supportive teachers. This would be the first movie ofcourse. The second and third instalments could focus more on the different creatures that exist in the world and Newt getting more recognition for his work while also having to fight smaller villains to spread his cause. The 3rd movie could've ended with a Grindelwald reveal making way for another (more serious) series where dumbledore and grindelwald battle it out. Bringing in more characters that we know like the marauders' ancestors, mcgonagall, the lestranges etc. Would've been much better than whatever this trilogy tried to do.

I do love the idea, if it was planned accordingly, of Grindelwald changing appearance every movie, just as a quirk of the character. Always misterious, you never know his true face, something like that.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Grindelwald: ancestor of the Face Dancers?

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait till Jodie Whittaker plays Grindelwald in the final installment wich is regarded as the worst one of the entire series after lots of ups and downs

@vario6492

Жыл бұрын

@@PancakemonsterFO4 LOL

@nbucwa6621

Жыл бұрын

If I got one thing from this movie it's that I want to see Jack Black as Grindelwald just once lol

@CaptainSweatpants90

Жыл бұрын

@@PancakemonsterFO4 Heh. Good one, implying there are going to ups in the future.

I think this was really more of a disservice to Grindelwald. Part of what makes him interesting is that he was before the time of Harry Potter, and that he is decisively a different kind of dark wizard compared to Voldemort. In the books we only briefly hear about him, and the only actual scene with him is one of redemption, where he refuses to aid Voldemort and helps Dumbledores legacy, him even supposedly feeling regretful of his earlier actions. He isnt supposed to be shown or explained. Him being a historical figure who expertly commanded the Elder Wand and was one of if not the most powerful wizard/s of his time and all times (eventually matched by Dumbledore of course) is all we need to know with just a few tiny more details for fleshing out. We can make up and imagine the rest. First the original movies ruined Grindelwald by changing the Azkaban scene to just be Grindelwald giving up the location of the Elder Wand. Then they did this, and fleshed him out too much when there wasnt really much there in the first place, and for the above stated good reason. Nevermind using Newt as a catalyst.

@joshuaa7266

Жыл бұрын

I think he has the same problem as the Forerunner do in HALO: part of their charm before they were explained was the mystery around them. Both of them were good examples of how to leave out information the right way. However, the writers decided to use them for a new story, and with that kind of scenario, it's extra important that the new story is exceptional, because the writers were removing the mystery in the process, so a flop would be extra damning.

Hear me out: the stupid thing with Kowalski’s memory having to be wiped only for them to do some crazy nonsense BS to try and retcon him back in could’ve been done much better and without all that nonsense. So they’re in the subway and the big mean lady says “no, like, your No-Maj dude HAS to get his brain wiped. This is me saying that as the president of Magic or whatever he *MUST* be out in that rain. I’ve said it, my bases are covered. Now I will walk away and never check if you stick him out in the rain. Thanks for literally saving our asses and cleaning up your own mess.” And then like winks and leaves and she was cool for five seconds and he’s in the clear to just keep on trucking.

i think the main problem is, that they essentially Americanized the Harry Potter universe in these movies

@myboysd5772

Жыл бұрын

What are you talking about, i didnt even see an AR !

@TomCruz54321

Ай бұрын

The only thing missing was guns and cheeseburgers.

I love the part in the second one where Grindlewald vapes and shows everyone WW2, the Holocaust, and Hiroshima and then says he's going to stop them from happening. Like... am I now supposed to root for people to stop a guy who's trying to stop the Holocaust??? Even if he's lying about wanting to stop it for political leverage it still makes me think about all the horrific things that have happened in history and how the wizards could have prevented it. What a sensible inclusion to my magical animal movie!

@Manigeitora

Жыл бұрын

Just show that scene to anyone complaining about them not mentioning 9/11 in Turning Red.... *this* is why we keep relevant politics *out of our fantasy stories*

@delusion5867

Жыл бұрын

@@Manigeitora VOLDEMORT HIT THE FUCKING PENTAGON

@yourbabytee

Жыл бұрын

LMAOOO I agree. I remember people talking about this when the Harry Potter franchise ended. They were joking about how wizards are assholes for not intervening in the Holocaust. I was so surprised when it was in the fantastic beasts. Like really JK??

@delusion5867

Жыл бұрын

​@@yourbabytee or the joke about what the minions from despicable me were doing between 1939-1945

@hassathunter2464

Жыл бұрын

Just to follow it up with "I'm gonna magically nuke Paris now"... ugh, make it make sense.

something I never noticed- At 27:00 , when newt is going into his magic briefcase and the muggle (I only just remember his name was jacob) sees him do it and yells in excitement, the cat on the bookcover of "cassandra and her cat gustavus" gets spooked and jumps around. Such a small detail that shows just how much love and attention went into the movie, only for it to get held back by the story.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Hitchcock said you need three things to make a good movie: the script, the script, and the script. People will overlook anything if the writing is good enough, and will forgive nothing if the writing is bad enough.

@MrBruh-yb9qi

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158 Style is also kind of important because when the dramatic tension goes off when rewatching a movie, you still want to recapture scenes that just look too cool. And, in the way, you became open to the movie and interested in finding sense to what's happening, wich is a huge advantage for movies with fuzzy and confusing plots. You may not like it, master, but you can't deny... Crimes of Grindelwald has got style!

I genuinely love the first movie; it's right up there with the HP movies and I'd even rank it above one or two of them. Just a shame that for the sequels they apparently forgot what a series called "Fantastic Beasts" ought to be about

I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio and people were arguing with me about slang for words, so it’s not hard to believe that wizards from different continents would do the same.

@abrahamwashington8579

Жыл бұрын

You moved to Ohio instead of moving out?? You must have a single digit IQ

I don’t understand why having Newt just encountering these beasts couldn’t be the movie, I’d froth at the mouth just watching them, I love their designs.

Newts whole character is so deep and wonderful. I hate that they cheapened him so much in the movies. I'm so glad that you see his potential despite the delivery. As always, well done.

@dontask9000

Жыл бұрын

He deserved more of a central focus. He was easily the best and most interesting character to watch. I wish they just made a series about Newt and his life. I even enjoyed seeing the flashbacks of him as a kid at Hogwarts. I wish it was just him and a story of his life. Kinda like Harry Potter but without the whole lore of Voldemort and just Harry living life as a wizard doing his thing. That’s what I hoped to see with Newt.

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522 You dont know how important Newts role in the franchise is. He is not there to caching magical creature like a pokemon he is so important because his knowledge and acting with the creature is the to save the world from Grindelwald. He is the only Reason why Grindelwald doesn't got so enormous power in the movies. Only because of Newt and his craeaturs and planing Grindelwald lost the fight in New York, Paris and Bhutan. It was not the minestry or Dumbeldore who stopped Grindelwald it was always Newt and his Magical craeatures. Thats why he is so fucking important and the maincharacter you Idiot

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522 He's not only the main character but also a damn important one since he's the one who stopped along with Dumbledore in the history of the world's darkest wizards and all his deeds were just amazing to me And to compare him to Jar Jar binks from Star Wars, a side character who only played a small role in the first Film , I just find stupid And It was his fault and clever use and protection of magical beasts that prevented Grindelwald from coming to power three times and even being captured

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522 Then I'll explain again if you slept through all the movies. In the first movie 1, it was he who had captured Grindelwald in the first place with the help of his beasts. In movie 2 it was only possible for him and the beasts to reach the cemetery in time and steal the blood packt from Grindelwald and in part 3 he is incredibly important for the story anyway because he is the only one who could saves the Quillin and with the help of other animals prevents Grundwald's seizure of power Im just say Niffler and Bowtruckle scene wich help Newt to save him and his brother from Prison and being in Hogwarts at the correct time. And what did Jar Jar do please? In part 1 he was just a huge big slapstick gag character making funny and stupid noises and in part 2 he was the one who later made Palpatine Emperor or even allowed him to become Emperor later. And then he doesn't appear anymore and that's a good thing because he was just annoying and shit. And I think it's cheeky to compare him to such an important character as Newt, because Newt has done so much more good in three films alone, just because of Newt, Grindelwald didn't get as far as he wanted in all three films

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522 you still dont understand how important Newts role in the movies is man you should watch the movies again and then look and hear closely what he do and say imf the movies. He is such an awesome Charakter and without him the Story would be so bad and Dumbeldore would Lose every time when he confront Grindelwald And Jar Jar was just a big bullshit and Slapstick character wich do stupid thing and because of dumb or Lucky coincidence the Story got his way. And honestly, please tell me what you mean by deep and important For me Depp is a character had a perfect personality and different facets wich are realistic. And that is Newt Scamander in the movie, And what's important is a character that helps the story go in a certain direction, and that's Newt too, because that's what he does in the movies. And Jar Jar just beeing dumb and annoying and all the decisions he has made have either been for the better by sheer coincidence or for the worse from the start. So I'm wondering why you're comparing a character who has no idea what he's doing and just messes up things that sometimes lead to good with a character who's incredibly smart and always knows what to do and who's always available to do something good

Jeez, I didn’t realize how much of a mess even the first movie was. I was blinded by the charm of the main cast and the creatures. They should have stayed that way. The franchise was ruined the minute they decided to co-op such a charming premise with such a heavy topic as Grindelwald. Grindelwald’s and Dumbledore’s backstory would be a fucking awesome story, and it still could be, but it needs its own movie/book/whatever to breathe. I think Rowling clearly got over ambitious and now she’s in too deep of a hole. She also clearly doesn’t have the skills for screenwriting. She needs to outsource that out to someone else.

If they were going to expand on any aspect of HP, it should have been Voldemort's backstory. I would love to actually see Voldemort being a boss and the epitome of evil they make him out to be, because for the most part he's kind of just this Scooby-Doo villain getting thwarted by Harry and the gang in the books. It could have started with him as an orphan, learning his powers and tormenting the other kids. Then a little part about him at Hogwarts and learning about Horcruxes. They had a great opportunity to make up something fun to fill in the gap between him working at Borgin and Burkes and returning to Hogwarts to ask for a job again. Show him making his first horcrux and just murdering people. End with Wormtail's betrayal and his attempt to kill Harry.

@sreenivaskamath4243

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Half-Blood Prince book is a backstory of Voldemort in a really cool way, but the HBP movie decided not to go with it, and instead focused more on cringe teen romantic drama.

What they should’ve done was make a three-movie anthology. Fantastic Beasts is the first one, the second one could be about the creation of the marauders map, and the third and final one could be about the origin of hog warts with the four different wizards that created it or something.

@dingdong8629

Жыл бұрын

what about no

@squishy_corn_1016

Жыл бұрын

@@dingdong8629 I’d be fine with that too

@itzmia1239

Жыл бұрын

genuinely don't think I could cope with Rowling ruining the Marauders, though.

@zitronentee

Жыл бұрын

It should be about Newt meeting a lot of fantastic beasts that inspire him to make a book about them.

@johnP0908

Жыл бұрын

@@itzmia1239 ironic since she created them. I wonder what's going on with her mind ruining her own creation.

I was actually invested in Jacob and Queenie's relationship when I saw the first movie…I dunno, I'm a sucker for romance I guess, give me two characters with even a little chemistry and I'm in. I didn't see the sequel movies, but the fact that Queenie literally brainwashed him between the first and second movie completely ruins that entire dynamic. Much like it feels like the second and third movies ruined everything good in the first movie. I will say this: Porpentina (Tina) is canonically Newt Scamander's wife, that is actually stated in the foreword of the original Fantastic Beasts book (the one the movie was "based on"), so that was going to be that way to begin with. I dunno, a lot of stuff was set up in the first movie that felt like it could really work, but then J.K. went all-in on Dumbledore and Grindelwald and nostalgia-baiting, like…just tell a different story in the same universe, woman, don't rely on old familiar names just to sell tickets! I refuse to pitch a tent in any camp regarding what sort of person she is outside of being a storyteller, but as a storyteller, at least, just…branch out, explore what you've made, don't wallow in your old work so much!

@ChienaAvtzon

Жыл бұрын

Tina Goldstein might be Newt Scamander’s wife, in canon. However, that does not change the fact the actress sucks and has no on-screen chemistry with Eddie Redmayne. Besides, it is becoming increasingly obvious the two only marry after WWII. Meaning, there was no need for Newt to have a love interest.

@Wandergirl108

Жыл бұрын

@@ChienaAvtzon I was merely pointing out that Newt Scamander having a relationship with a woman named Porpentina is an adherence to canon established during the initial Harry Potter series (as in, the good times), and so was inevitable in a movie featuring him. I cannot disagree that the actress was poorly cast and the relationship poorly written, of course.

@ChienaAvtzon

Жыл бұрын

@@Wandergirl108 - Except, most people do not know Newt Scamander had a wife named Popentina. Meaning, she never needed to be included in this story. Had JK Rowling never mentioned, before the first film even released, that Tina Goldstein was the future Porpentina Scamander, I never would have made the connection. Besides Tina being miscast, she and Newt are a total mismatch. This is not a case of opposites attracting, but more like two people who should never consider entering a relationship. It is obvious the filmmakers did not even know, Tina was eventually going to be Newt’s wife, just based off the casting. Otherwise, I am sure they would have cast a different actress. Which is probably why they made sure to cast Newt’s brother, Theseus with an actor who had natural on-screen chemistry with Eddie Redmayne. Especially, since Tina and Theseus have the exact same job. Thus, being able to seamlessly swap the two characters.

@Wandergirl108

Жыл бұрын

@@ChienaAvtzon Your overuse of commas aside, your points are absolutely solid, I do not disagree with anything you're saying. :)

@roronoalaw7772

Жыл бұрын

If you’ve never seen the sequels, how do you know they ruined the first film? Do you just agree online opinions without looking for yourself?

Possibly controversial but I thought the best thing about the third movie was Mads Mikkelsen who suited the character much better than Johnny Depp (not to say anything against Depp, this just wasn't really the right role for him). I could easily believe that Dumbledore and THIS Grindelwald had had a relationship where I couldn't believe it of Depp's Grindelwald at all. Overall though the trilogy was just a muddled mess of over-plotted and under-resolved nonsense with the most fun to be had in playing "spot the continuity error".

@elektra121

Жыл бұрын

Preach. I'd really love to see the love story of *this* two. Mads Mikkelsen is so great (and Jude Law, too)! They have really good chemistry - in that 'date' scene you absolutely buy they are in love still and in another universe they'd be perfect for each other. I really would like to see a gay love story with those two, in times and a world where being gay was very complicated - and yet they manage to steal away their moments or have a double life and give a fuck to society's expectations. Not many stories of that out there where the characters aren't like 20.

@tizyman5582

10 ай бұрын

Mads Mikkelsen is the worst actor ever existed. Johnny Depp played this trash role better than he ever could

Honestly the main thing I learnt from HP and all the follow up stuff, is that the only punishment in their world should be death, as they have no way of controlling any of the magic. Theres so much instant death, mind control, changing appearance and other things with absolutely no way to detect it that its impossible to police in any way but instant death for misusing your magic. But honestly even then I could easily see the wizarding world collapsing in on itself because of how easy a raid to wipe out the leaders would be based on how easy it always seem to be to get into super secure places. This is what happens when instead of properly planning out your magic with hard and fast rules, you make it super duper soft to the point that anything and everything can happen all the time.

@karolinakuc4783

Жыл бұрын

Who knows maybe Wizard World is one big anarchy. It seems to fall on its own. We could see it with each Harry Potter film being more & more gloomy. Also we see how bad head master Dumbledoore is. He solves problems by creating even more problems.

I kinda wish this movie was a series with each episode just being him capturing and/or studying monsters with a bad guy probably being some kinda magic poacher

@thefunnychiptuneman

Жыл бұрын

wow that sounds like a better storyline

What annoyed me most was that Queenie just has this like passive mind reading ability but in the Harry Potter movies Snape literally had to use the incantation. And it still wound up doing the exact same thing. I'm just annoyed that they treat Queenie like she has some amazing gift but you can literally do the same thing with a spell that goes by the same name.

@TheLivingSeven

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was going to say that Elvis might be confused when he's asking where they are, because it's mentioned in the books but not as this weird passive thing. Plus people can practice Occlumency to resist Legilimency, so they're not some perfect mind-reading truth detector that you can just post up at every important spot. That said, Snape was able to wandlessly and nonverbally cast it on Harry in HBP. Don't know if it was dropped in the movie, but he casts it instantly to find out how he knew Sectumsempra.

@kable6693

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLivingSeven Oh I forgot about Sectumsempra. I know that in the books it goes into much more detail but even in the movies he has to actually speak the incantation. Either way, Queenie having a passive ability to do it is just...weird to me. I don't know why they did that unless J.K. literally just forgot about the whole thing with Snape.

@lordravenblade

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLivingSeven he uses it in combat as well to know what spells Harry is going to use too.

@kinga3731

Жыл бұрын

Actually Voldemort was also able to do it passively - there's a scene (or even a few) in the books where he's testing Snape just by sustaining eye contact. But Snape is of course great at Oclumency. But I also agree that they maxed out Queenie's skills for nothing.

@waltercomunello121

Жыл бұрын

@@kable6693 maybe Queenie just can cast it unconsciously for some reason. or Just Kidding just wanted a woman to have some kind of superpower

It always amazes me how you can have all the money, best actors, best effects, best music and... a shitty script. I'm directing theatrical plays. The first important step is to create a good script. You can have good actors, good music, pretty images but without a good script viewers can't build any relation with characters which leads to them not caring about the story, consequences etc.. Usually the money is the problem (costumes, scenography and especially - organising events). :D

I kinda like the idea that people created certain kinds of magic based on magical creatures that they saw. so like in the movies how Hermione has the bottomless bag, maybe people created that magic based off of nifflers. Its basically copied from how people learned bending by studying certain creatures in avatar the last airbender. pretty cool concept honestly and does make some sense in the harry potty world as well.

the thing he said about getting a legilimens to interview the teachers at Hogwarts to make sure they’re legit is so funny cause Snape and Dumbledore are both legilimens like come on, you had one job

@LadyDoomsinger

Жыл бұрын

I'm confused by how legilimens works in the movies (haven't seen them) - doesn't Snape explain in the books, that it's *not* like reading a book? That the best you can get are impressions, feelings, and memories? And only whatever is at the surface? Or am I remembering it wrong?

@calebmcintosh1991

Жыл бұрын

@@LadyDoomsinger that would be expecting JK to be consistent in her lore, and at this point she's basically allergic. So many of her stated lore gets thrown out the window for convenience for these films. It's almost like she is bad at writing actually

@LadyDoomsinger

Жыл бұрын

@@calebmcintosh1991 Sorry. Don't know what I was thinking...

@BeastManGamer1

Жыл бұрын

There was plenty he was just off about cause he didn't pay attention. Great video though

@josephinemiller115

Жыл бұрын

It is very possible to fortify your mind against legilimens/learn to only let them see what you want them to see, it's called Occlumency. There's a whole part of the film/book of half blood prince where snape is trying to teach harry to do it to protect him from voldemort, and you can't tell if someone is an Occlumence or not so legilimens isn't an all powerful art

Man, I kept telling my fiance how I just wanted to see Newt and his animals. After caring less and less for the main story, all that was left was me watching it for the creatures.

I'm so happy someone feels the same about Newt, and that the series should've just focused on him. That's honestly what I assumed before I watched the first movie. I was originally SO excited because I liked the idea that Newt was researching and writing his textbook, and at the end he'd finish it. A good lil adventure series with some calm moments. Like what's the point of calling the movie after his textbook when he's not even working on it, let alone the main character? So much wasted potential, but JKR wrote it, so why expect anything good. She just used it as an excuse to retcon instead of making a good story. Thank god she's not involved in Hogwarts Legacy. I honestly think the world building in Harry Potter has a lot of good potential, and that's what I was hoping for from Fantastic Beasts. Here's hoping the game turns out WAAAY better than these movies.

They should have just made a completely separate movie about Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I found their relationship in the last Harry Potter book very interesting and I don't understand why the movie with them in it was so bad.

The way this franchise progressed reminds me a lot of how Disney handled Star Wars. Over time they cared less and less about the quality of the actual movies and more about making money off of the name of the franchise

@MatthewPaul92

Жыл бұрын

Except in the case of Star Wars, the sequel trilogy was hardly, if ever, planned out and it had different directors and writers fighting each other. The Fantastic Beasts films however were all written by the same person who established the Wizarding World. I think this is more akin to the prequel trilogy but I doubt the FB series will be looked back fondly like those movies.

@wind-flower

Жыл бұрын

"Just put in a sweeping shot of Hogwarts and play the theme ... people are going to lap it up!"

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

@@MatthewPaul92 This 100% ON GOD

Would've been more interesting to revolve a series around Dumbledore's family. How he became so powerful, his motives, conflict with his brother & sister, etc. Or you know, keep it about Newt.

@masonclark531

Жыл бұрын

Best we can do is a weak version of both

@anotherpawn

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! It's two movie franchises that were forced together for some reason.

The Fantastic Beasts films had SO much potential. If I was Warner and wanted to bring the Wizarding World back to life with both Newt Scamander and Dumbledore vs Grindelwald films, this is how I would've done it: 1. First film, very similar to what we saw in theaters with FBAWTFT. Just a younger Newt and no Jacob yet, because this gives Queenie a chance to have plot development besides "pretty, flirty witch who falls for a muggle". Oh, and no Credence/Grindelwald plot, obviously. 2. Second FB film. A few years have passed. Tina is still bound to desk job (you can even add some scenes about her having to work twice as hard as her male colleagues and it still not being enough to be promoted to Auror again because they steal her credit), but she's also secretly investigating this wizard mercenary who, lately, has been kidnapping magical creatures. Newt's also been following this case, so he eventually crosses paths with Tina (and Queenie) again. He has the creature knowledge, she has information and clues about this guy and his whereabouts, so they join forces. Jacob is introduced in this film and Queenie falls for him. In the end, they all catch the bad guy and save the beasts. Tina is finally promoted to Auror again, and Newt pursues a formal relationship with her. Queenie and Jacob elope so MACUSA can't delete his memories and everything seems fine. Except, the bad guy tells the gang he was just following someone else's orders, and this person is too powerful to be stopped. 3. Third FB film. We start at Newt and Tina's wedding. Just as they're about to go on their honeymoon, they're forced to pause their plains, because they find themselves in a mystery involving (of course) fantastic beasts and dark magic. During most of the film, they just catch henchmen and follow clues, until they encounter the big bad guy, who's been teased since the second film: Grindelwald himself, who's been using magical creatures to gain power (somehow lmao). But he's too powerful, so even with all the gang joining forces to defeat him, everything seems lost. At the last minute, they're saved by some mysterious figure, that incapacitates Grindelwald long enough so a whole group of Aurors arrive and imprison him. The mysterious figure turns out to be Aberforth Dumbledore! He tells them he's just doing his brother Albus a favor and to look for him if they want answers. Intrigued by what would his old teacher have to do with a powerful dark wizard, Newt visits Hogwarts. Dumbledore was expecting them. He's kind of reconciled with his big brother (even though there's still a lot of resentment and discomfort to work through), and tells the gang he has been following their steps during this adventure because they were dealing with some dark magic he was familiar with, realizing sooner than later it was Grindelwald. He's actually been helping them the whole movie, being responsible for some clues and tools they've found in their journey, but he realized it all would have to come down to a duel with Grindelwald, and since he cannot physically fight him, he asked Aberforth to help them (he's also not ready to see Grindelwald again). He tells Newt "it's all over now" because Grindelwald won't use magical creatures anymore, since he'd now try to rise to power via other means. Newt is worried because he thought Grindelwald getting caught was the end of it, but Dumbledore knows him too well and knows he won't give up so easily, although he reassures Newt and Tina this won't be their business anymore (hinting at him being the one who has to defeat him). He thanks Newt for saving the Wizarding World and for his compromise with magical beasts, and resolves to create the Care of Magical Creatures assignment to honor him, even offering him the spot as the first teacher for the assignment. Newt declines, since he thinks there's still a lot of work to do for the fantastic beasts out there, although he compromises to write a book with all his knowledge that Hogwarts can use on this assignment (the actual Fantastic Beasts book by Newt Scamander we all know) Newt and Tina finally resume their honeymoon. And that's the end of the Newt Scamander trilogy! Ir would be followed by a Dumbledore vs Grindelwald series of films (that can be watched as a follow up to the FB series but can also be watched as it's own thing without watching FB beforehand), which may focus a bit more on Jacob and Queenie, since their marriage stands for everything Grindelwald despises. It can also have little cameos for Newt and Tina, because her job as an Auror would make her cross paths with Grindelwald's dark magic and Dumbledore's pursue of him more than once. There you go! If you make the Dumbledore vs Grindelwald plot a trilogy too, you would have a total of 6 films, which is only one more film than WB has originally planned for the Wizarding World revival, so it's not such a big change and it works better than whatever they have going on rn anyway lmao.

I'm gonna ask since I haven't seen the Secrets of Dumbledore movie: How is Grindelwald up for election of President of Wizardry when even in the films before, he was considered a criminal and a terrorist? Was he in disguise? Was he absolved of his crimes? Is the election up for ANYBODY no matter what they have done before?

I would have loved if the Fantastic Beasts series was about Newt just traveling the world saving, studying and releasing the creatures overall. He’ll let the muggle character stay and he could be what the movie uses to learn about the creatures. Now for a antagonist, what if we had someone like Newt but instead making their own personal (poorly kept) magical zoo? Or maybe a group of wizard/witch poachers? Hell what if it was just a rich evil wizard that just wants exotic pets? Fantastic Beasts and Where to find them would have benefited so much more if it was just about Newt. Hell you could even still have the whole Grindelwald and Dumbledor thing in the background with Dumbledor specifically coming to Newt because Grindelwald is using a animal’s power that would be dangerous to the general public. Imagine if Harry Potter wasn’t playing a big role in the Harry Potter series?

@m.i7211

Жыл бұрын

Yes it’s such a missed opportunity that the abuse or mistreatment or animals weren’t staged as a conflict in the story, especially when protecting animals is literally Newt’s main cause and lifework.

@drunkoctopuswantstoplay7029

Жыл бұрын

You dont know how important Newts role in the franchise is. He is not there to caching magical creature like a pokemon he is so important because his knowledge and acting with the creature is the to save the world from Grindelwald. He is the only Reason why Grindelwald doesn't got so enormous power in the movies. Only because of Newt and his craeaturs and planing Grindelwald lost the fight in New York, Paris and Bhutan. It was not the minestry or Dumbeldore who stopped Grindelwald it was always Newt and his Magical craeatures. Thats why he is so fucking important and the maincharacter you Idiot

@kalifogg6610

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Newt should have been a Steve Irwin or Jane Goodall type who wants to educate the Wizarding World about magical creatures.

I just wanted a fun "find the animal everyone thinks is a legend" story with neat interactions with animals and Newt being geeked out to see all these fantastic beasts. You know like I want fantastic beasts and I want to know where to find them. So far all I know is they live in Newts bag. That's fun. Like a documentary style movie of this wizard going around writing his book and the wacky adventures he gets into.

In my opinion it would be really smart for them to remake this but in show form like they are doing with Percy Jackson that way they can have each episode it’s own story on capturing and studying a beast while they could also do the grindawald thing.

Some of these misconceptions can be answered. I'm not saying the Fantastic Beasts movies are good, they have too many oddities to be saved at this point, but some of the points you were confused by can be answered. Legilimency was retconned. In the Harry Potter books, Legilimency is an ordinary magic spell that any skilled wizard or witch can learn and it is cast using a wand, like any other spell. Harry takes private defense lessons against Legilimency under Snape, where he practices Occlumency - the specific blocking of Legilimency. The Fantastic Beasts movies make Legilimency into an ability more like Parcel Mouth or Metamorphamagus that some wizards and witches are naturally gifted with and cannot be learned. This does not prevent the existence of Occlumency, however, which is likely expected and explains why Legilimency isn't used in institutions. The Mass Obliviate effect kinda makes sense - but is not well explained. The Thunderbird itself doesn't apply the Obliviation effect - that blue vial that Newt tosses it applies the effect. That vial is venom that came from that creature Newt pranked Jacob with. During that scene, Newt says the line "Muggles have slightly different physiology". That line is meant to explain that that venom affects only Muggles with Obliviation, not wizards or witches. It does NOT explain how it affected the people indoors, as you say, unless you buy "mist" as an explanation. Everything about the "good" memories coming back makes no sense, I'll give you that. The flying prison buggy does have a reason. The Floo Network, Apparition, and Port Keys can all be co-opted by outside means and redirected to alternative locations. None are particularly safe for transporting prisoners.

I wish there was a world where liking Harry Potter didn’t get progressively more terrifyingly bad as the years went on from the first book lmao. It’s like… An actual storybook-level tragedy happened.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Like H. P. Lovecraft was problematic AF as well to say the least, but at least his output was consistent and he had multiple decent series (the Cthulhu Mythos, the Dreamlands Cycle, and the Randolph Carter series)

@clementbaron7323

Жыл бұрын

Hey at least you have Hogwart's Legacy to look forward to :P

@sunbleachedangel

Жыл бұрын

First time?

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

Not only in her books but also her tweets. She is so toxic even putin defends her

@BL-mf3jp

Жыл бұрын

@@sunbleachedangel yeah, this happens to every series that goes on for more than four years.

I feel like putting the "Fantastic Beasts" concept together with the Grindewald conflict was the downfall of this franchise. If J.K. wanted to do things about "Fantastic Beasts" then the plot should have been more focused on that. On one hand it seems like the core idea was to show all kinds of different animals in the wizarding world and their stories but on the other hand it seems like JK was too afraid that this would be a weak story so she kinda threw the Grindewald/Dumbledore story in it as well.

6:04 “Half hazard”?? Lol I believe HAPhazard is the correct turn of phrase 😉😁

The whole bloodpact thing was so weird to me, like why didn't they just reuse the unbreakable vow from Harry Potter and say they will not act against each others best interests. They could make it so Grindlewald breaks the vow, killing him, giving Dumbledore the elder wand. The whole multiple briefcases felt like an attempt at pandering to the nostalgia of the polyjuice segment of the HP movies where they have to transport Harry without having him assassinated so they become Harry. Edit: Also I can't wait for the next Wizarding World content where I can immediately identify the villain because their black smokey trails

Original lore: Newt is Charles Darwin. Wizards before were mostly focused on hunting or breeding new animals, usually specializing in exploiting one animal. First movie lore: Wizards really don’t care about learning about anything if they don’t encounter it on a daily basis and usually see animals as pests, Newt is Jane Goodall but wants to be David Attenborough. The rest of the movies: Newt is young Dumbledore for animals, real young Dumbledore won’t let him focus on his work because he’s the least evil but also most competent person Dumbledore knows.

@nicholasbrooks3997

Жыл бұрын

Best plot summary ever

@m.i7211

Жыл бұрын

It’s a shame that the exploitation of magical animals weren’t touched upon in the film. If they wanted conflict, this would have been much more relevant and cohesive than politics.

I feel these movies should instead be a monster-of-the-week style tv show that solely focuses on the beasts rather than boring wizard politics

So to sum up how many secrets of dumbledore we learned from the third movie, exactly 0

I think Johnny Depp is a lot better a pick for Grindelwald. I love Mads, but he's very good at serious dark roles. This whole franchise feels too extravagant and whimsical for that tbh. Also WB replacing Johnny was just a whole dick move.

@GrosvnerMcaffrey

Жыл бұрын

"My dog stepped on a bee"

Snape and Voldemort are both legilimens, it’s implied Dumbledore is as well, but I don’t remember if it was confirmed. Queeny’s ability contradicts how Snape describes it though. “The mind is not a book to be read” etc. There’s also a defense against it called Occlumency and it’s implied anyone can learn it.

@thisistigerlilly

Жыл бұрын

So many contradictions in these movies to the rules already established, makes it a mess

@ninjanibba4259

Жыл бұрын

Is that the spell Snape used to see through Harry's head in the 5th?

@lordravenblade

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjanibba4259 yes. Harry spends 5th year trying to learn Occlumency to block it out because dumbledore thinks Voldemort could use Legilimency to give Harry visions. Which is what happens at the end when he gets tricked into thinking Sirius is captured.

@ninjanibba4259

Жыл бұрын

@@lordravenblade ah ok I thought so, so basically this movie tried to tie it into the HP movies but failed like everything else this series is doing

The main problem with these universes, specially magic ones, is that the more stuff you add, the more inconsistent and nonsensical they become. Previous stated rules gets broken, new mcguffins gets added that do whatever the plot needs to (that werent used before and solve a lot of problems from the past, like that damn time machine), more characters no one give a shit about gets added and more sub plots gets added derailing the main story. The Harry Potter universe gets a pass in half of the movies, because they mainly focus on the castle and isolated places, but it gets more and more inconsistente in the later movies. Mainly because the "magic rules" arent clear or get broken intermediately. Also because of the relation of "muggles" and wizards, it doesnt make sense. I understand that wizards wish to stay hidden because a war may occur or whatever, but it doesnt make sense that these wizards, that mostly think they are superior to muggles due to magic or whatever, live like they are in the 16th century or some shit. With no technology or anything, and apparently they know almost nothing about the human world. Seriously? They literally live among humans, and they dont know anything? Not even proper social behavior? They dont even know what "rubber duck" is? Its way too nonsensical. Add to this the fact that wizards around the world barely interact with each other, like they are different species that doesnt understand each other. Is like they never met before. The Fantastic Beast movies elevate this problems to the max. Adding the fact that no wizard gives a shit about these "fantastic beasts". Is like they literally secluded themselves from reality, living in a bubble. Are you kidding me? And are you telling me that NO human, ever, found these insane creatures with destructive powers? Its way too ridiculous. You have to turn your brain off to barely enjoy these movies.

@ich3730

Жыл бұрын

the 16th century aesthetic i can excuse somewhat. These people dont need to develop technology, they got literal magic. Why would a race that can teleport ever find out about fossil fuels?

@user-wr8bs8vx9r

Жыл бұрын

If they live among muggles... They may buy food and casual clothes or whatever..? Or do they travel far to fucking grocery shop in a wizardy shopping mall? They must come in contact with muggle stuff.

@dinosertanejo222

Жыл бұрын

Like i comented in another video (i don't remember when): one day the wizard world will awake in a Star Trek/Star Wars like universe and the "cops" would be banging in theirs doors asking "what's going on" and S**t will happen. It would be at last interesting.

@MajorOctofuss

Жыл бұрын

Whats even more frustrating is that wizards do in fact interatct with muggles, via muggleborn students that go to hogwarts, where the wizards are. Are you really telling me that hermione wouldnt bring a regular ball point pen from home? Wich would eventually catch on and make quills go out of fashion as its a very inconvinient way to write stuff. Because thats what happened when pens was invented. We stopped using quilss because they suck. This is just one detail that proves that jk doesnt know how humans work, or that she thinks wizards are some kind of non-human subspieces. Humans all around the world have one thing in common, and that is that we’re very innovative. We will always find ways to make our lives easier, thats why technoligy is evolving so fast. So it doesnt make any sense that wizards are still living in the 16th century, but I honestly think jk just did that for the asthetics, and never gave it any more thought. And wizards may see themselves as superior to muggles, but lets not pretend that if there was a war, the muggles would win in one day.

@sws212

Жыл бұрын

Nah, the main problem was that this whole series is a cash grab. There's no serious thought into the story and they could've easily navigated the lore into something meaningful if they had put the effort in the purpose of the literally throwaway lore book that was just mentioned in passing. This only needed one movie but everyone involved wanted to milk the series including Rowling who didn't know crap about American culture and history to integrate her story into. They wanted to make a movie, they loaded it up with cool shit, and they released nonsensical garbage.

When the original movie came out, I loved it! As a young autistic person who had always been obsessed with animals, I resonated with Newt A LOT, as its incredibly rare to see characters like him (and me) be the main character in a fantasy action adventure. As time went on and the second movie came out, I saw him get pushed to the sidelines and I was frankly, very disappointed. I've yet to see the third movie, mostly because I refuse to give JKR any more money than I already have in my ignorant teens, but also because I know I'll be disappointed once again. Newt still means a lot to me as a character, I just wish he was done justice and not written by a bigot.

@karolinakuc4783

Жыл бұрын

Very few films have good characters with autism. Early Tim Burton films have them (Box Trolls and Edward Scissorhand). Rango was phenomenal and so was Happy Feet. There is a series Wednesday on Netflix it seems like Wednesday have it but I am not sure.

@bigmanliam

10 ай бұрын

@@karolinakuc4783 who is autistic in Rango? am i trippin

The Legilimens (or whatever it's spelled) aren't used by the ministry because skilled wizards can avoid / fool the mind reading. Voldemort himself has legilimens abilities but Snape can still fool him because he is skilled at Occlumency (the ability to protect against mind reading)

Ever think about how cool and interesting an internal conflict woth Dumbledore could have been in these movies, i.e. Dumbledore not wanting to fight Grindlewald BECAUSE they were in love, but he's eventually forced to overcome that and fight because of the increasingly terrible things Grindlewald is doing. Instead, we have "ope, it was a magic doohickey that was stopping them from fighting all along"

@elektra121

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but then you would have to really admit they're gay - and that won't happen for quite some time in the future, I'm afraid.

@koloblicin

Жыл бұрын

then they would have had to censor the entire movie for the chinese market...

They easily could have just said that Queenie used magic to bring Jacob's memory back, which is a thing that can happen in the books. I believe Hermione does it to her parents after they kill Voldemort

Newt: *Is a magic zoologist* Plot: "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" Newt, crying: "THIS IS NOT IN MY JOB DESCRIPTION!"

To be fair to one point in the first movie: The amnesia spell works by everyone being touched by the rain or therefore any other watersource that gets influenced by it. The families inside are shown to be drinking water from the tab, which means, they get in touch with the water.

Not super weird that Newt is one of the first experts, given that he usually goes out to find creatures that don't just exist in magical space, but that are magical themselves, so they are more rare and much more hard to find. That's the impression I got from reading the book as a kid. I would have loved a movie about Newt going on Indiana Jones style adventures to find crazy animals. It's such a shame that's not what this is. Best parts of the first movie for me was whenever he interacted with animals- that said, it was goofy and fun, and there was a good idea there, but it was completely undeveloped. She should have just written about Dumbledore instead, maybe with some students from the time in which it happened at Hogwarts, because now this has taken up the Scamander movie arc and we'll never get a good one.

@tetsudikawakami7787

Жыл бұрын

I always thought that Newt was an Actual Researcher and Explorer. He Studies the beasts behaviour and temperament.And The rest were more Hunters than anything else.they are focused on exterminating and neutralizing because the creature ARE dangerous and cannot be just ignored.(well mostly)

I dont like the story of these movies but i love the aesthetic. I really like the darkish, but egelgant tone of the 1920s/1930s in movies which is also why i like mikkelsen as Grindelwald way more. Depp looks very goofy while Grindelwald looks like an actually bad guy.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

I mean the '20s as an aesthetic just works. I'm a firm believer that the future should've been Art Deco.

@curnies

Жыл бұрын

Depp's Grindelwald feels SO out of place. I actually physically recoiled when I first saw his character design. Like ... no need for all that lol. Mads' look fit in so much more seamlessly.

@ChienaAvtzon

Жыл бұрын

@@curnies - I despised Johnny Depp’s Grindelwald. He was severely miscast and looked ridiculous. Everyone in the theater groaned, when he was revealed. Mads Mikkelson was far superior and more in line with how Grindelwald was implied to be in “Deathly Hallows”. Plus, his iteration matched up better with Colin Farrell’s.

Did you guys know elvis the alien posted a video called "chumpy and the girls a real movie about a guy" but deleted it for some reason idk why

@HTLiu1

Жыл бұрын

yeah its gone

I heard about the 1st fantastic beasts movie a few years ago. I saw the trailer while in a movie theater and I didn't even know it was harry potter. 11-year-old me just thought "wow a movie abt a guy with magic animals in his briefcase thats so cool!". I was never interested in Harry Potter. I figured it was just basically abt 3 kids who go on an action magic adventure to defeat this big evil guy and I've never heard anything that really sparked my interests. But hearing abt the first fantastic beasts movie... Yeah I definitely want to watch that. Hell I would watch a whole series about a sweet caring guy who just travels around the world with magical animals that sounds really interesting. But no from what I've heard JK figures that people will only only watch these movies bc of nostalgia so she decided to make them more connected to the og series and more like the og series by making them into action adventures rather than actually trying to do something new

Fantastic Beasts really should have just had the first movie then become a Tv show about Newt traveling the world protecting magic animals. The other 2 movies are horrible and have absolutely no reason for him being there.

One of the main problems I have with these movies is the tone they have, which is confusing. They want to make it fun, like the first one, with Newt and his adventures, while also being really serious with Grindelwald and his political agenda, and it just doesn't work. Its not charming enough to be fun and not dark enough to be taken seriously, its confusing. They can't have it both ways. That and the fact that Newt shouldn't be here. He feels so out of place because his story was, realistically, never meant to be tied with this war. They want us to feel like he is the main protagonist in this whole thing while the dude is just sitting there and going along with the ride. Heck, Newt story has so little to do with the war that in the first movie he just HAPPENS to run into Grindelwald. The plot keeps dragging Newt along because he is the only character that the audience cares about, but if it weren't for that, he wouldn't even show up to half of this shit. He would just build a freaking Noah's Ark for his beasts, get away and wait for everything to be over with.

Imagine Fantastic Beasts being like a Pokemon Game. Newt has a love for those fantastic beasts and want to know and catalog them all and go into adventures (should have been an adventure movie) searching the rare and the legendary ones...

10:05 this isn’t the first time in the series that “ligilimense” or how ever you spell it has been introduced. In fact in the original Harry Potter series, voldemort was extremely talented at oculumancy. Allowing him to keep his mind closed so others couldn’t see into it. I mean there is a scene in the HP movies where snape is trying to teach Harry oculumancy so Voldemort can’t look into Harry’s mind

@foxial5358

Жыл бұрын

The difference is that in the original Harry Potter series, people had to practice in order to master occulumency, whereas Queenie´s telepathy is something she is born with and what she can´t always control (as shown in the second FB movie when she breaks down in the rain). Also, legilimency is not even mentioned not once during the entire original series.