Thanks for this!

Really interesting. Thank you both for these talks.

1:30 "There's always money in the banana stand."

You said that James the Just was not one of the 12, but I thought that Mark 15:40 proved that he was. James the Less is mentioned as a brother of "Joses", who is this guy if not the same Joses mentioned in the list of the brothers of Jesus?

The gospel of St John is for the believers who already baptised. The gospel of John is cathechetic

Are yall aware of Jimmy Akin's opinion on dating certain NT texts like gospel of John?

@TheCatholicBrothers

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Not really. I don’t follow Akin’s work that closely. Do share, though!

@tonyl3762

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@@TheCatholicBrothers A lot of people, including Akin, determine the dating by how the text refers to the Temple (and other Jerusalem landmarks) since that is a dramatic and known point in history. On that basis, one can date the gospel of John before 70AD.

@tonyl3762

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@@TheCatholicBrothers kzread.info/dash/bejne/dWmY3Nion928lto.html

I'm confused here 16:43 because wasn't James the brother of Jesus the same person as the apostle James the Less?

@ignatiusjackson235

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Yes, in all likelihood. There are dissenting opinions, but they're not very convincing to me. James, son of Alphaeus is James the Less (as listed with the Apostles). Mary of Clopas is called the mother of James and Joses (the "brothers" of Jesus). Clopas, Alphaeus, and Cleophas are all translations of the same name from Hebrew to Greek. I'm not sure these guys are aware of it, but it's a confusing topic, so I'll give them a pass. Nonetheless, yeah. I'm almost entirely convinced that James the Less = James the Just.

@ultimateoriginalgod

20 күн бұрын

​@@ignatiusjackson235The Josephus citation clearly states "James the brother of Jesus" was stoned by the high priest. You might be confusing which James is the Greater and Lesser

@ignatiusjackson235

20 күн бұрын

@@ultimateoriginalgod How so, brother? "James, the brother of Jesus" has traditionally been identified with James the Less (son of Alphaeus/Clopas*). There's really not much reason to doubt that they're the same person. *Clopas, Cleophas, and Alphaeus are all assumed to be Greek translations of the same Hebrew name. It's pronounced like "[cough]LFEUS," there are no letters in either Greek or English to represent that sound. He is assumed to be Joseph's brother, which would make his wife, Mary of Clopas, the "adelphē" of the Blessed Virgin, as recorded in the Gospels. Are there any other tales about the death of James the Less, son of Alphaeus? Also, "James the brother of Jesus" has often been called "James the Just" or "James the Righteous," if that led to any confusion. Yes, he would have been stoned to death by the high priest in Jerusalem. I didn't even mention James the Great (son of Zebedee, brother of John the Beloved), patron of Spain, whose martyrdom is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles. We seem to have more definitive information about his life than we do that of "James the Just/Less/son of Alphaeus/brother of Jesus."

@ultimateoriginalgod

20 күн бұрын

@@ignatiusjackson235 I thought the confusion was based elsewhere, namely the two different death narratives for the James in Scripture and the post scriptural James in Josephus. I now am even more confused over the exact confusion here. There are three-ish James: James the Less, James the Just and James the son of Alphaeus. While we can quible on whether these names are all the same man or different men, they clearly focused on James the Just and the traditions associated with him without getting into the weeds. At least that is what I got out of it.

@ignatiusjackson235

20 күн бұрын

@@ultimateoriginalgod I know it can be confusing... I'll explain it the best I can, given my own limited understanding... First thing's first: James the Less is definitely James of Alphaeus, listed as one of the Twelve Apostles in each of the Gospels. Nobody disputes this. My contention is that James the Just (the "brother" of Jesus) is the same as James the Less. I've come to this conclusion because [1] The "brothers of Jesus" are listed as "James, Joses, Simon, and Jude," [2] "Mary of Clopas" is listed as the "mother of James and Joses," and [3] - as previously explained in my last comment - Alphaeus (father of James the Less) and Clopas (father of James and Joses) are presumed to be the same person. Thus, it would indicate that James the Less (the Apostle) and James the Just (the brother of Jesus) are indeed the same person. Follow me? There are other possibilities, but I have always found this one particularly convincing. Brant Pitre demonstrates this quite well, if you're interested.