I had a Prodigy disc in the front seat of my car , someone broke out my window an left three more

@CalebCrimDG

Жыл бұрын

😆

@onemileperhour

Жыл бұрын

In the divorce my ex took the Prodigy just so she could toss em in the dumpster

@zukowskichet4359

Жыл бұрын

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣

@shadymaestro

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

I'm 49 years old, 6'8", and have been playing disc golf for roughly four months because my best friend got me hooked. I've been modeling my game after Gannon. I chose mostly Axiom/MVP discs because I like the owners, the naming scheme and the quality of their discs. I would like to support Gannon and purchase his discs but when I looked at Prodigy at my local store I couldn't believe how low their quality was. Not only are their discs junky and bland, but after reading about them not paying him his measly $500 in bonuses, then state they would be missing out on $1.5 million, I won't touch Prodigy with a ten foot pole. If they truly think they would miss out on so much revenue without him then why wouldn't they make discs for him to increase their revenue? Trash in, trash out. RIP Prodigy

@dalereinhold640

Жыл бұрын

Well, he just won Memorial with Prodigy discs, so there’s that.🤷🏿‍♂️ Gannon brought this on himself. Prodigy had to sue. It was their only play.

@Cars0n01

Жыл бұрын

​@@dalereinhold640every prodigy pro throws old stuff minus maybe the reverb and the A2

@rinsancrindle7715

Жыл бұрын

@@Cars0n01 this. He doesn't throw current production runs. he cannot get his preferred putters either. they changed the mold.

@modgmodg6987

Жыл бұрын

I think no one is addressing the elephant in the room. GB’s mom. I don’t know her and hope she has GB’s best interest at heart . I think we need to see this play out. Another year could change a lot of this. Just sad to see it play out like this. Ugly. Both sides.

@rageoid

Жыл бұрын

The attachments in the court file reveal they issued two signature D1 discs, one in 400 and one in 500 plastic, along with a PA-3. Specific messages shown in the file indicate GB's approval of the D1. Such discs have been, and are now, available for sale. They commemorated events in 2021 and 2022.

Flashing in injection moulding is usually caused by one of three issues: 1) incorrect set up of the press (shot weight, plasticizing time, temperature, etc) 2) anomolies on the tool (shoddily made tool, wear and tear, not cleaned properly) 3) insufficient clamping force (trying to use too big a tool on too small a press) Number 1 is a a result of either incompetent toolsetters/engineers (company dont want to pay for better setters or engineers) or trying to run the press too fast (company dont want to pay for extra presses/tools to keep up with demand they would rather try and eke out more production from their existing ones) Number 2 is a result of either cheaping out on the tool itself, buying one made of inferior steel for instance, or cheaping out on the technicians to maintain them. Number 3 is simply trying to save money by buying a smaller machine than you need. Notice something here? All these issues have the same root cause - the company are not wanting to spend the money they should be spending to get an acceptable quality job, they thing they can save money on people and machinery with no negative results.

Apparently, it's not the first time they sue a pro (they allegedly sued Chris Dickerson and lost and sued Paige Pierce and forced her to stay with them for a year).

@VojtechRozsival

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I was bit surprised this was not mentioned in the video at all. GB was not the first one for sure.

@tilled6695

Жыл бұрын

@@VojtechRozsival he deserves to be sued, dude is trying to force his way out of a contract he signed.

Gannons caddie is team sponsored by discmania himself, his own sponsorship has nothing to do with Buhr.

@LeonardYoung

Жыл бұрын

Slaaaaaaabaaaaaaach

I have an A5 500, H7 400 first run, and M4 300. The M4 was one of my first discs ever, now that I know what flashing is it DEFINITELY has that issue, however, the H7 and A5 are perfect and fly AMAZING 👌🏼

Let’s just admit that it’s the street team that keeps Prodigy alive.

I’ve been playing since I was 4 years old off and on. When I find something I like i stick to it and a year ago I switched my entire bag to Prodigy. I’ve had no issues with quality and just replaced my plastic a couple months ago. Love the molds, love the quality, love the brand.

@StuffedBearSus

Жыл бұрын

Prodigy rules .. these new weirdo fan boys of disc golf are so stupid actually backing a kid who tried to be like simon and leave … Gannon you aren’t Simon.. stop crying and fulfill you contract

@ErnoAlias

8 ай бұрын

I have done the same this year, I just need F1 and 4 different distance driver's with different stability and my bag is ready. They have great discs, the plastic line is also excellent, in my opinion the best on the market and what comes to flashing, newer discs seems to have no flashing problems. I couldnt be more satisfied to their discs, hard to see I ever go back to other manufacturers discs.

Prodigy discs sues disc prodigy? 😉🔥

@kingdavey90

Жыл бұрын

Nice 😄 "Young Prodigy Discs sues a young disc prodigy"

@southbeachtalent

Жыл бұрын

When are you and R.M gonna collab?

@IceBergTV

Жыл бұрын

​@@southbeachtalent hopefully soon

@R.M.DiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Y’all are collaborating without me

Another great documentary style video. Keep it up I highly enjoy and anticipate these.

Perception is everything, and the optics of a disc golf manufacturer suing one of its players is not good. I can't imagine any sponsored pros will be too keen on signing a contract with Prodigy moving forward. I work in contracts for a diagnostic testing manufacturer. Our general counsel has repeatedly stated we should _never_ sue our customers, because once you get a reputation for suing your clients, you're done.

In a since deleted Tweet, Drew Gibson said they also tried to sue Chris Dickerson and allegedly tried to sue Paige Pierce forever ago too

I will say you cannot sign a contract and then just leave cuz you feel like it. You absolutely should be held to that contract

@Discsforbaskets

Жыл бұрын

He gave breaches of contract that prodigy made that he argued justified him being able to end it.

@ErnoAlias

Жыл бұрын

​@@Discsforbaskets Prodigy full filled everything what the contract says as they had 30 day time line to answer every possible problem, but he decided that the clauses on contract isnt fullfilled(he tried to force his way out), but now he is still throwing Prodigy discs, you know why? Probably because Gannon(and his mom) negotiated with the lawyers and Prodigy and they saw that they are screwed.

Enjoying your videos thanks! I smooth the flashing on all my discs when they're new. It only takes a couple of minutes (or less) to soften the sharp edge with a fine sandpaper or wire wool.

you know it's bad with flashing when I am shocked to find the MX1 is flashing free! the terminology they use saying they're "confused" by poor quality concerns is hilarous

He’s going through this and still won the Memorial Championship presented by Discraft in Phoenix last Sunday. Show Prodigy what they’re losing! 🔥

@StuffedBearSus

Жыл бұрын

You ppl are so stupid …. Blaming prodigy for Gannon tryin to copy off of Simon and make a big deal about leaving … and doing so illegally and breaching his contract …. You are all slow

Bet Prodigy gonna use this video in court too for "damaging their brand", put me in the lawsuit

I have to mostly side with Prodigy on this one. They believed in Gannon before he was a household name to disc golf fans. Now that he's a US Champion he is hugely underpaid but positioned well to sign a huge contract at the end of 2023 with the sponsor of his choosing. Now he wants to leave before his contract is up and because of his comments people are buying less Prodigy products due to increased awareness of quality issues AND because people like Gannon. This is bad for Gannon because he will probably have to stay with Prodigy through year end OR sign with a new sponsor willing to pay a million dollars to get Gannon out of his old contract yearly. Bad move by Gannon if he likes money. And I'm assuming this is mostly about money. He sees the paydays other pros are getting. Pros that he is equal to or better than.

@martymodus7205

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like you're assuming his complaints are not legitimate. If they're not, you might be right, but if they are, then he has every right to leave.

Gannon will be fine. Prodigy will too. I’ve sanded flashing off my prodigy discs, but I don’t throw their really hard plastic so it was easy. If you love the 750 it will not go well for you. That stuff is tough, and the flashing on those is truly annoying.

I personally haven’t had any issues with quality of the prodigy discs I’ve bought. I own 12 different discs, and 5 different plastic types with no issue, and no flashing. Honestly, I really like all the molds I’ve tried so far, and don’t understand all the negativity that they receive online.

@R.M.DiscGolf

4 ай бұрын

You sound like an ad from Prodigy

previous discmania/innova predominant bag. I usually try to brand up with whatever putter I’m feeling. some kick of p2’s or fireflies and then the usual suspects for the bag. Have a friend who throws a lot of Prodigy (loves 400 and 400g plastic) he passed me some p model s putters and I really dug them. I built a full prodigy bag just before all this bs went down. not everything is trash, but some things I got definitely have the flashing problem. my thoughts are they need a serious rebrand and to address the quality issues. the disc market blew up but also got way competitive and there is a real chance they could suffer pretty badly if they don’t turn it around. I hope the best for both Gannon and Prodigy, the kid will do well wherever he lands. I only wonder if Prodigy will have enough sense to change some things up

I tried using PA-3s for a while but the plastic didn't last too long and the chains tore them to pieces after about a month.

I did wholesale and order fulfillment from 2013-2015. Prodigy has always had flashing, and consistency issues.

@ErnoAlias

8 ай бұрын

I mainly only throw Prodigy, newer discs seem to have no flashing problems.

@haydenhunt5397

8 ай бұрын

@@ErnoAlias After meeting and talking to a bunch of people this season, it looks like they've got things figured out!

I've bought 3 different molds from prodigy, all with quality issues. I actually emailed them and told them about the issues, and all I got in response was something to the effect of "okay, to bad for you". I was never really going to buy another prodigy disc, but this lawsuit just makes me more certain

If anyone wants to take the flashing off of their discs, I found that the eas😢way to do was was to rub it on the concrete wall in the basement in like 4 circles. Sometimes I need more, but it always works

I'm quite sure Gannon will stay with Prodigy his last year.

@MegaLaban12345

Жыл бұрын

Who are you

I would hope that, esp. after Gannon's recent win at Blue Ridge, Prodigy would have realized it's cheaper to double what they've been paying him and try to keep him on the team than to see this thing through in court. But it might be too late for that.

Prodigy is absolutely within their rights to sue. But Gannon has done nothing to tarnish their image. If they make a point to Sue him based on his statements about lack of quality, Then surely anyone can prove that the lack of quality is real and his statements on the matter don't effect that. I would like it to someone saying that a chinese knockoff has bad quality and then getting sued. Surely they have to know.

Quality issues aside which I will agree have been an issue but is being worked through. "The wrong side of History" is a little much, a lawsuit was eventually going to happen when someone left a contract early. Why wouldn't there be when the potentially best player prospect is trying to leave. Honestly this will push the sport forward when it comes to both manufactures and players by making it necessary to have more mature contracts. The days of handshakes and promises are just over as there is too much involved in the sport now for that. It is very sad to me that this happened but it was inevitable. I absolutely love watching Gannon play and really think he is the future.

@DRickAnderson

Жыл бұрын

While I agree with you that these contracts need to be upheld, Prodigy chose the absolutely WRONG hill to die on. And die they will. Maybe it will take having a company get tanked for others to start taking these contracts seriously and closing the legal gaps so there is no question. We shall see.

I had a Finnish Championship 2020 stamped D2 Max, the flashing was a darn shame as the discs shape felt really good and flew nicely BUT it's the only disc I've ever cut my fingers on. Damn.

@Grannyknockers

Жыл бұрын

Just take a sharp knife and carefully slice it off. Comes off pretty clean and easily.

@1andonlyMiro

Жыл бұрын

@@Grannyknockers that's usually the case, but the flashing was as wide as the wing on the disc was. It was horrendous. To be fair I haven't seen anything as bad as that on their other discs.

A contract is a contract, if you signed it you try your best to stick with it or let the other party know what you're thinking, to communicate with them, etc. Ganon is a young buck and perhaps didn't know the ramifications of putting out a video "I'm no longer with prodigy" would mean. Ganon is a great player and I'm sure had their heart in the right place, but because he's so talented and blew up in the sport super fast, his development as an adult and professional could not keep up. Should Prodigy cut him some slack? Maybe. But like every business, everyone tries to hit their bottom line and if someone prevents that or compromises it, then it's a dog eat dog world. 🙄

The discs prior to the pandemic were usually great quality and rarely had flashing. The fall of prodigy is definitely overblown but it is clear they aren't gonna be the top manufacturers anytime soon.

@dsprocks

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is knocking Discraft or Innova off the top two throne any time soon, they have always dominated the market and always will, Innova because they're snakes and use bullshit like patents to force companies to pay them for the licensing fee to make a proper beveled edge disc golf disc of certain dimensions like they did with their patent 4568297 active from 1986-2003, and Discraft by making the best ultimate frisbee disc ever and actually innovating unlike innova who went the first to patent route because the Discraft Phantom was pdga approved 3 months before the eagle, so how is it that Innova patented what was already being made? Dave Dunipace is a sneak that's how he saw what was happening and made sure to be the one to get the patent first so everybody would have to pay champion discs to make actually good disc golf discs like Discraft had already been developing and got approved a whole three months before innova, fuck innova, all they've ever done is see what works then patent it and fuck everybody else over, what fucking assholes, as if people couldn't figure out aerodynamics without his gay patent codifying what other people already discovered. Asshole Dave Dunipace and his dickhead patent to ensure innova dominates the market even if they don't manufacture discs themselves how fucking evil. You want to make good disc golf discs of a certain shape and size? Sorry, you have to pay us first because we patented that. What a load of absolutely bullshit fuck patents they're bogus.

Good video keep up the great work!

I have 5 Prodigy discs bought very recently and they seem fine to me. I have some of the Air spectrum plastic and love the grip from them. I get it people want to support Gannon and buy discs from the company he plays for, but I think it's just a disagreement between player and sponsor not our problem really. Prodigy is not done for just for this. Also Kevan Jones is top tier and should make him their main focus. Him and Issac Robinson is what brought me to buy some discs just with how smooth they get their discs to fly. I was like I need to try some lol

@chasecogsdell6083

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t had any quality issues with any of my prodigy discs none of my friends have ever complained about them either

"The Fall" series is MTV's Behind the Music of Disc Golf

Their discs are inconsistent, their spiderweb baskets are like throwing at a trampoline. Not impressed. Also, if you have ever played Gannon’s home course. Waterford in Urbandale, you will understand why Gannon had to develop a forceful putt. It probably is why he is so accurate from longer distances as the baskets are the prodigy trampoline style. I have spit out there so many times. It forces you to putt fast and hard. I hate them. But this this the history behind Gannon’s putting style.

The fact that Gannon is 17 has nothing to do with it. Prodigy is doing the right thing for the future of the sport. You never see a MLB NFL NBA NHL MLS player just leave their contracts. Those are binding agreements. In the business world you cannot just walk away from a deal without consequence. Look at Simon, Catrina, Dickerson those were all lengthy negotiations before they officially left and signed with their new sponsors. Gannon has a leg to stand on but I think it was handled extremely poorly and when Prodigy wins the sport will change and contracts will change forever. This is actually a good thing for the sport as it moves it towards legitimacy. This turns things from casual to serious in terms of business. No more will we see Paige and Ricky bouncing from company to company with a year left on deals chasing the bag. You will live out the entirety of the contract unless a company pays a buyout.

Well, if you're not happy with the contract signed (extraneous promises are not part of a contract with a merger clause), then gut it out and feel blessed for the education going forward. Bigger things await. I throw some Prodigy, no complaints, not my favorite, but okay. Especially like the M4. I see both parties losing out here, I predict a settlement soon or Prodigy gets the injunction and GB and mom are stuck for 9 months or so.

Would love to see a video on AJ Risley-one of the OG ambidextrous disc golfers, and someone who was a bit of a cult favorite fixture before the pandemic boom.

I dont think this video is fair, Gannon has contract with them so its quite simple, he needs to finish the contract or make something to end it, he just cant walk away. Very simple thing but hard to understand for so many peoples. And I dont hate or love Gannon or the company im on neutral zone, thats just how it is.

It's become popular to dump on Prodigy. Keep it perspective, none of their issues are even as close to how crappy Innova DX plastic is. I bag 1-2 Prodigy discs I have no reason to dump on them or fanatically promote but it seems like they have a case against Gannon, I hope both find a amicable resolution.

I bought like 10 discs to try against my Innova all 400 series with them. some of the molds were like flimsy and some firm so very inconsistent I sold them to my buddy im staying with axiom/mvp/innova

People complaining about the "optics" of a sponsor suing an athlete, but it's not a good look for an unhappy athlete to just walk away either. No winners here.

@martymodus7205

Жыл бұрын

Well, let's see how his claims hold up in court. If Gannon is correct, he's not *just* walking away, he's standing up for his rights and leaving with cause.

There not done . There still plenty relevant. Everybody thinking that these pros carry so much weight in disc sales. So many Frisbbe throwers don’t even know who this kid is let alone know about this situation. This will all be forgotten about when the Recession is over in 18 months. I laughed when he had prodigy shirt on Jomez. Kid thought he could just do what he wanted and prodigy said that wouldn’t be in your best interest. 😂 I want out of my lease right now, but I gotta wait 3 more months. Why because I signed a contract .

Prodigy fell so far they won a world championship

My local pro shop stopped carrying them over a year ago cause their discs were so garbage

I love flashing😂

I would've Sued Gannon too

Now, I know why my Seppo Paju 400 F5 was cutting my hands after 2 throws...

Love these "Mini Docs"

I have never had any Prodigy plastic in my bag. Never liked anything Ive thrown of theirs. That being said, I'm behind Prodigy 100% on this one. If Gannon was so unhappy then why sign a 2 year extension after being with them for 5 years? The quality was so bad that he went from a 900 rated player in 2017 to 1040+ in 2022? Yes its probably frustrating with the huge contracts that have been going to some of his fellow players recently while he's having to squabble with his sponsor over $500. I do understand that aspect of it but a contract is a contract. If you sign your name to one, you should be prepared to honor your commitment

I still like throwing a few different prodigy molds. I'm sure I'll be cancelled for that though

@ProdigyDiscs IMO Drop the lawsuit and FIX the FLASHING

No one is talking about how manufacturers should be hesitant to sign Gannon now. When another company offers him more money, he's shown he's willing to throw you under the bus and denigrate your product offering. Not a good look for Gannon.

@jacobcolon5295

Жыл бұрын

I would have to say if anothet company honors the contract more then it would not be the same situation. Some of Gannon's requests on the lawsuit of not fulfilling contract are pretty trivial or obvious (flashing and quality control, 500 dollars missing vs huge damage claims by prodigy) but if they will not work within the terms of the contract I see no reason why gannon should have to abide by it still

@mehameha4453

Жыл бұрын

It’s really about getting him while he’s hot so they can sell more discs. He will be like Paul McBeth. Consistently at the top. Like Calvin. But there is always a newcomer and he will be better than Gannon someday. So they need to make money off him while they can. Gannon isn’t winning everything yet. He really good but he still is not the goat yet. I think he will be. But even that accomplishment will be bested by a younger player in the future. And as fast paced as this sport is, a newcomer that is better than Gannon can pop up anytime, any year. I’m saying this coming from his home town and have played on his course where I met him. I’ve played this sport for 53 years this June. We thought Climo was the goat. I would not say that today. I would say Paul McBeth is still the goat. Gannon could get there. But he needs to be in top 2 and win more. He’s doing phenomenal for his age, he will be consistent but the competition will only get tougher. We will see another player become the goat, even if Gannon can dethrone Paul. That is what makes even us old guys love this game and want to get up in the morning, lol.

If flashing hurts your hand, what if you hit an o or spectator? 😱

my dad wanted to try disc golf with us and we bought him prodigy since they were super cheap at the shop. now i know why 😆we thought, hey Kevin Jones throws these, lets get him some decent understable drivers. oh boy, did they have some flashing on them, and the plastic was extremely stiff. my first time playing too so I thought, huh i guess discs should feel that way? but soon as i bought a discraft driver and a lat64 putter, I was like... wait a minute, this is how it should feel?

@magnusgranlund3138

Жыл бұрын

Progity have 10 different plastics. Realy good exolained on their hompage and logically named. You could have done some research before buying.

How old is gannon's caddy? I wanna know their relationship, seems like a goofy fun pairing lol

I think prodigy and Gannon will be totally fine. Hopefully Prodigy learn from this. Terrible publicity. I throw prodigy distance drivers and I love them. I don’t think I’ll anytime soon.

This reminds me of Mikey Alfred and the fall of Illegal Civ. Skate company owner charging a teen hundreds of thousands just to get his skate park back. SMH

After Gannon won that tourney.. I am surely convinced now that prodigy sucks.. Keep winning tournaments and I will continue to be even further convinced of this... If you cant throw prodigy ill break it to you - its not the disc

Who is managing Prodigy Discs? Does anyone have a corporate management chart for them?

I seriously hope Kevin Jones leaves them next year. I think he was disrespected and is own a huge apology and more. I loved how after prodigy said that Gannon leaving would hurt them (completely disregarding their other players) KJ instantly took second and gave a run for the win in the very first tournament. He deserves so much better

@southbeachtalent

Жыл бұрын

They gave KJ top billing as their star player last year after Dickerson left them for Discraft and he had a disappointing 2022. Gannon completely outperformed him.

Gannon’s mom signed the contract as well because he’s a minor. So dissing prodigy for suing a minor is inaccurate. And Gannon should play out his contract. The same contract he just resigned in January of 2022. He saw Simon and got greedy.

@stmn346

Жыл бұрын

Yep, you nailed it on the head.

@j0w213

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what happened! He should have finished his Mom's contract first... I throw a mixed bag and there will always be a place for some Prodigy in it regardless of this and what becomes of it.

@no1warriorsfan

Жыл бұрын

@@j0w213 that’s good. This isn’t on prodigy. They make some good and some bad discs. They all do. But they held up their end. Gannon got greedy

@DrRocket8775

Жыл бұрын

What a bootlicking mentality. You probably still think if you work hard you'll attain a comfortable life.

@no1warriorsfan

Жыл бұрын

@@DrRocket8775 no. I think professionals should honor the contract they signed. It’s not a day to day work thing. Stop thinking so small

My guess is Gannon will complete his contract, the suits will be dropped, and he re-signs with Prodigy, if they resolve their issues, or he moves to Discmania. I'd like to see Prodigy remain a viable disc manufacturer.

@lapointe64

Жыл бұрын

Why would they want to re-sign a paid spokesman who publicly bashes the brand? He was fine with "I'm unhappy and want to leave." He became an instant liability with "The product sucks." His next sponsor will want some guarantees he won't pull that stunt on them.

@lnmend

Жыл бұрын

He’s not resigning lmao

@hayden4412

Жыл бұрын

It's either re sign finish his contract or get sued so I think he is going to sign

@cosmolean

Жыл бұрын

@@lapointe64 Because if he resigns it will nullify his complaints.

House of discs about to buy them and and em’ to their collection

using gannons case to sell your little whale sacs, class act

Prodigy has had issues in the “past” and currently has no more issues than innova or others that have long had flashing. Reality is this was overblown by many and it appears Gannon and prodigy discs are both on their way to one hell of a year.

@R.M.DiscGolf

11 ай бұрын

Nope never dealt with flashing issues from other companies even close to as bad as prodigy. Maybe their players are having a good year doesn’t mean their issues are going away.

@deciuswtasby

10 ай бұрын

@@R.M.DiscGolfall companies have issues but they also don’t have the stigma prodigy has. Appreciate your dialogue and have a great rest of year 💪🏾

I've had 4 prodigy discs with zero flashing, amazing discs (a4) and 7 or 8 with terrible flashing (fairways and drivers) including signature series discs. I'm done with em.

sucks for prodigy, I honestly had no complaints about them until this

IMHO Prodigy is getting a lot of bad rap here, not all of which is fully deserved. On the legal point, my interpretation is that Prodigy were not in breach, since the issues brought up by GB were either fully 'cured' or not material breaches. Meaning that should GB walk, it would be him (or his guardians to be exact) who would be in breach of their contract. Let us give them a little bit of breathing space to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution and for Prodigy to address the quality issues. Would be a shame to see the company leave the scene.

@peter-jx3uc

Жыл бұрын

They might not have legally "breached" but they just wide openly admitted they intended to weaponize their vague and mostly word of mouth contracts if a player becomes disgruntled. How would you feel if an employer took advantage of you just cause they didn't break a law, doubt your giving them breathing room

@dougbutabi5085

Жыл бұрын

I’m new to disc golf and I’ll never ever buy a Prodigy disc

For everyone hating on Prodigy, I have a Prodigy D4 that I throw so well, I bought two more in case the company folds. I bomb it longer and straighter than I could even imagine when I first started throwing it.

Gannon trying to breach his contract one year early is no different than a professional athlete wanting to break their contract because another team offered them more money. Sorry, that's not how this works Gannon.

So you're saying if someone signs a contract with a disc company they can break that contract just because they feel like it. I want to know the company that pursued Gannon and offered him a contract while knowing he was under contract. I won't be buying any of their discs ever. Remember Gannon's signed a new contract because no one offered him a contract. The company that wants to sign Gannon could have contacted Prodigy and bought out his contract. Looks to me the company doesn't want to pay money they want Gannon for free. Ganon should play out his contract he signed it then move on.

Is this an Op Ed piece or what? I watched this and feel like siding with either party is a little premature. You presented the damage that Prodigy is facing by this lawsuit but, you seem to over look the damage Gannon has done to his image. Regardless of the QC issues with Prodigy discs, Gannon did extend his contract after 2021. It’s also interesting that he chose to leave Prodigy after Simon announced his departure. You should probably also mention the games Gannon was playing on social media in the weeks leading up to his announcement to leave Prodigy (aka the Double G Jerky stunt). Additionally, I get Gannon is only 18, and ultimately that is probably the one thing he has going for him. He can ride out a lot of negative publicity and long term this may not affect his career. But he needs to decide if he wants to be a true professional or an immature kid. He has a tendency to annoyingly hide behind his mom when the going gets tough. No one is going to take you seriously as a pro if you continue to do this. Whether it’s true or not it gives the impression of a bratty immature kid. And maybe that is what he is right now. Had he acted more maturely he could have used this situation to his advantage. I also take issue with the casual way this video addresses Gannon (and other players) breach of contract. A contract protects both parties. I find it hard to fault Prodigy for expecting Gannon to honor his end of the contract. That is the whole purpose of a contract. In the end Gannon has shown immaturity, lack of character and unprofessional behavior. He seriously needs to hire an image consultant. IN MY OPINION.

They been dead since the Will Schuester era, 2012 ish lol

noice

We need a h

It's called a file and some sandpaper. It's perfectly legal. Anyone throwing a disc with flashing is just ignorant and lazy.

I’ve never seen anyone throw prodigy out in the wild. Been playing since 2019. Buddy gave me a d2 he found without a number and it just didn’t compare to innova and discmania. They seemed to come in the scene pissing people off so. I have no love for them. Honestly the professional thing to do would be to finish out your last year and get your money. Gannon is going to take down a couple this year. Just finish your contract and move on.

Little quick to jump to conclusions it seems.

2 years into the sport and giving your 2 cents Definitely 2 cents!!

Didn’t MVP pay $100K to get Simon out of his contract with Discmania?

@Discsforbaskets

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1M but they had a buyout clause. Gannon is just trying to leave and become a free agent it would appear.

I’ve been a proud prodigy hater from the beginning, I would love to see Kevin Jones get away from them and start winning everything

End of Prodigy 🤣, really? Because one kid don't know how to secure his back. Well my disc are just fine, but it's mostly older runs from Prodigy. I have maybe 2 sharp edge disc of 300, so it's not bad at all. Throwing mix bag, but propably 50% of my disc are from Prodigy. Only issue is that some 400 plastic start collect some weird chalk if not used, but that can be remove easily. Maybe talk about that MVP bought Simon out of his contract! Childish thing to burn bridges behind you at that age. If you know that you are a big name for the company and you have year left of your contract, then maybe think about the way out smarter. Understand the meaning of a contract. Be sure that next company buy you out too, before start this drama show...

Ahh welcome to the world pro athletes disc golf. Just wait to see contracts in a few years. Right now its easy to leave year to year but wait till you are locked in. I like more money for the disc golfers but dont like to see it be more corporate

i love your videos so much please love me

100% agree, the amount of people I have seen on the internet defending Prodigy's antics is appalling and cringe-inducing. Prodigy has crafted their own downfall with this one. Nothing but awful choices on their part.

Prodigy great discs! Flashing is easy fixed and no problem.

@deepsender

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Nearly every disc I buy has some flashing and I fix it with sandpaper. The only Royal Grace I ever picked up had some flashing, and Royal means no-flashing.

@jacobcolon5295

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on average most prodigy discs will be more flashed than any other competitor's runs. explain that man. I know it's a easy fix but if it's a finished product it should be finished well

@deepsender

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Hi Jacob, several of my Prodigy discs get a film of oxidation on them like some car headlights will get. I have only one other disc that does that, and it's an EliteX Buzz. Do any of your discs do that?

Also note, Prodigy is making discs in China. Their quality will get worse.

Shocked that they have lasted this long with such a lackluster product. Everyone knows prodigy is trash

Honestly I'll never buy Prodigy discs again. I like the M4 but the plastic is trash, the F5 I have is collecting dust, and the PA-3s I just switched to because of Burr and Robinson can be easily replaced. RIP Prodigy, don't let the door hit you on the way out

@jacobcolon5295

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try a westside maiden, you'll enjoy it :)

@onemileperhour

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@@jacobcolon5295 oh I have 4 (technically the 5th is in the river haha). I'm just trying out beaded putters right now, but I still bag 2! Amazing disc!

@duaneyohey3284

Жыл бұрын

I only had 2 m4s. No flashing just great flight. I guess the buzz will have to do.

@jacobcolon5295

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@@duaneyohey3284 I feel like their mids and approach discs do not flash as much as their drivers and fairways, but thats just my experience. I've seen good luck w the A and M lines

@onemileperhour

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@@duaneyohey3284 honestly my buzz ss does everything I want my M4 to do with better quality plastic. The worst thing about understable mids is they hit trees a lot, so the plastic quality is nice to have

However you look at it. Going after Gannon is not a good look and brings gheir other issues to the forefront which is only going to hurt their sales. There's not much they can do at this point than to ride it out IF they drop the lawsuit. They better reevaluate quick or they will be gone.

I’ve had discs from tons of brands and had flashing issues on almost every brand. Except dis craft. To say that prodigy is worse… I don’t know. I bag 5 prodigy discs right now and none of them had flashing issues.

I dropped Prodigy the day they started using a child labor factory in China.

@mikemaybe5999

7 күн бұрын

their approach line and mid range some are made in china but I agree wit you ha

Prodigy hasn't "fallen" and it's just a personal bias to say they have.

You Interneter kids need to chill! Sometimes in life you need to keep your 2 yr deep, disc golf opinion to yourself or with-in friends group message. You know the owners? Did you ever think about how misinformation & your novice reporting could potentially be taking food off a kids plate?! Y’all Interneter kids are influencer strivers, to the point of complete disrespect! Know your roll and stay in your lane! Chill on interneting for a bit, you to go outside!

@dazzanw5067

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I know you think disc golf is growing and there’s companies paying millions……but ya need to remember, disc golf companies aren’t massive corporations, most started in a garage, tarnishing a companies with your 2 year opinion is BS, cause Interneter kids will watch your dumb video and think you actually know what your talking about. You are the disc golf Qanon! Not a good look!

I detect a bit of a Karen complex for overreacting in this video. Describing “years & all the way back” for flashing since 2021 is not very long at all. Also, the remark saying, allegedly, Prodigy removed stamps but it’s not proven, has no merit whatsoever so why use it. The whole defamation for Prodigy by suing a minor is most likely false when they are suing his mother as she is the adult in this matter. Lastly, I doubt you have much of a grip on reality, saying “every” Prodigy disc you hold had flashing while being a fan of disc golf since 2020. Lol yeah, that’s a long time as you would describe. I mean, since 2020 u must have had a disc bag full of Prodigy’ to have a just opinion which I highly doubt. And when you say you think Prodigy will crash, they won’t, because people can’t afford super high disc prices. I know u have 3 yrs of knowledge but u couldn’t be more wrong. I’m not sure what other Prodigy players were sued, you said player(s) but I don’t recall that. There hasn’t been any other disputes against Prodigy since Gannon so maybe it not all so bad. Being a collector/seller, Innova has the worst current stamp endurance out there and lost the most super stars by far but they don’t seem to mind because fans buy discs no matter.

@jacobcolon5295

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the "since 2021" is for gannon bringing up QC issues, we all know they have been flashing discs for more than that

@burningtares6611

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@@jacobcolon5295 The flashing argument is universal for every brand. I read a 2013 forum regarding flashing, that all brands even then had that issue in their history. It’s not a big deal when it comes to a contract dispute & saying Prodigy’s molds are crap

@jacobcolon5295

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@@burningtares6611 not even close to the same amount of flashed discs in other brands, sorry man. too many bad QC issues

@burningtares6611

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@@jacobcolon5295 Regardless if that is true or not, the topic of debate in his video was the stability of Prodigy’s future. Pretending to believe that Gannon & a flashing occurrence will cause an end is silly. Sure, losing Gannon will cost them millions but we should slow down & reflect on the past, Innova especially when they lost 2 of the best players in the world. If Prodigy scouts, like they can it’s fine anyway. Lots of young talent out there and it’s growing. Gannon Buhr is a generational talent but it don’t matter when the field is so stacked with prospects.

@jacobcolon5295

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@@burningtares6611 I don't doubt they will still hire but I think the credibility and quality of prodigy is done rn

I hate prodigy. Will never support them. The disc's suck and the make disc's in China! No thanks

I’ve been playing disc golf for over 20 years. Prodigy has never appealed to me. They have no artistic work, bad plastic, bad flashing, and now bad interpersonal relationships with their Team. I don’t understand how they name their discs either. Their business model is failing and they’re moving production to China of all places to recover. This company is crumbling and we will all just watch it fall.

@davehart9972

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record profits last 3 years.

Prodicrap