Just to clarify, some of the concept art predates the final model and shows more torpedo tubes on the nose and fewer on the aft. The final count as seen on the model itself is 6 Forward, 4 Aft.

@pimpinaintdeadho

5 жыл бұрын

Dude, great video. Thanks for the upload. Thank you for doing some content from The Expanse.

@user-do5zk6jh1k

5 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Kaminari is Japanese for "Lightning".

@si2foo

5 жыл бұрын

could also be variant's in the design like one could be more fitted out to have more torpedo launchers but no cargo space for as many light warships for the excess ammo those additional tubes would need

@si2foo

5 жыл бұрын

@@Duke_of_Petchington there the germany of space the earth forces are basically america

@Chrinik

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-do5zk6jh1k Donnager can be translated from old-german to Thunderer. Donar is the old-german name of Thor and the word for Thunder.

The only ship that can fly on pure middle finger energy.

@isaacdestura7495

3 жыл бұрын

*old man Steve I got that reference.gif*

@olympioalexander8151

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaacdestura7495 help, which spacedock vid is that reference from?

@isaacdestura7495

3 жыл бұрын

@@olympioalexander8151 Spacedock's battle breakdown of the battles at the end of the Expanse Season 5

@blackc1479

3 жыл бұрын

I *just* got to finish s5 last night. So obviously ive been avoiding spoilers. But because of this watched the break down too. Middle finger energy is now my spirit animal. I may even put it on a shirt.

@AgentK-im8ke

3 жыл бұрын

fusion reactor

Just started season 2. When it is explained that the Martians were basically forced to choose between funding terraforming or funding the navy, the sheer value and importance of these ships is really driven home. The Martians literally have an emotional investment in them, because they sacrificed so much for their construction.

@dgd947a15fl

2 жыл бұрын

*belters sacrificed so much

@RanHarasaki

Жыл бұрын

@@dgd947a15fl well no, Mars sacrificed their dreams of the future.

@patrickhenry1249

10 ай бұрын

@@dgd947a15flbelters didn’t sacrifice anything because it was taken from them 😎

@doxydoxdelamanca9902

9 ай бұрын

Mao: "don't ever tell me about sacrifice. ever!"

@anuragpradhan7500

7 ай бұрын

That will bite them in the ass, remember. Pakistan once said that they will eat grass but research their own nuclear weapons. Look where that got them to.

Note that ships in this universe don't have artificial gravity, and instead have more realistic thrust gravity. So they should be viewed on the vertical, not the horizontal. They're basically sky scrapers in space.

@jesusalfredofernandezcruz1833

3 жыл бұрын

In the anime Sidonia no kishi, the ship Sidonia was the most beautiful ship/colony design, very realístic, except for the fact Is full of Lolis. But Is a good show. Another mecha show was Heavy Object.

@ExarchGaming

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it's not parallel with the ship, it's perpendicular to the hull and orientation of the starship, really intelligent design... the expanse went hard on using real science. impressive, good story too. It filled a niche we needed in sci-fi tbh. I mean some scifi series kinda used real science, Babylon 5 was probably the least offending, using centrifugal force on the station itself to generate gravity, and using newtonian physics with their starfury fighters (which were some of the most logically designed fightercraft in scifi.)

@projectpitchfork860

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't that mean that they have to move forward all the time at a minimum speed?

@tommycharles4666

3 жыл бұрын

@@projectpitchfork860 If they want gravity, yes. They don't always want gravity, though.

@AlrexTheGreat

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. I think the only other big sci-fi I've seen this in is Battletech.

"Be careful Alex. They say one of those things can kill a planet." "Anyone can kill a planet. You don't even need bombs. Just push anvils out the airlock. That thing could kill... shit, anything."

@polarisbear7468

3 жыл бұрын

Hits different after season 5

The expanse = instant like

@public.public

5 жыл бұрын

Ex pants are no longer pants. They are Shorts. Remember the Shorts.

@osricleondegrance9244

4 жыл бұрын

Should have done that before leaving out the door today.

@Morethanbobsonofbob

4 жыл бұрын

too soon

I kinda get why the Donnager crew was so confident now.

@bluerisk

3 жыл бұрын

They had to battle the own (stealth) technology. Mars: great scientist and warrior, poor politicians. There entire political operations have undermined and destroy the purpose of Mars: as world (=> ring worlds with an already existing eco-systems) and as idea (=> corrupt elite which sold this technology to Marcos and Mao and betrayed their own people like in the case of Booby's squad)

@Bustermachine

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluerisk The level of political corruption is debatable, at least in the early seasons. The conspiracy, both Earth and Mars side was isolated to a small cabal operating through a corporate third party which significantly reduced the number of people in each government that needed to be involved. It definitely reduced the number of people with a complete picture. The latter mass corruption shown in the most recent season seems to be, as you say, a result of the Ring Network delivering a mortal gut shot to the underlying principals or Martian culture. It's hard, I'd say impossible, for any polity to survive long when the fundamental buy in it provides its citizens has been undermined so totally.

@Bustermachine

3 жыл бұрын

The Donnager was basically deluxe State of the Art at the time of her destruction and it still took a flotilla of warships that were even more bleeding edge to bring her down. One has to assume if she'd had a full compliment of supporting frigate and destroyers that the battle might have gone differently.

@yello1183

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing after seeing Bobby

@Bitchslapper316

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bustermachine It wasn't just that. For starters the captain and the crew didn't believe Holden even though they confirmed he wasn't lying. Instead they were trying to pin the cantaberry destruction on the OPA without any evidence. Add to that they were extremely smug. Had the captain taken the threat seriously she would have called for backup, recalled the missile destroyers and second frigate and deployed the itachi. Instead she casually ignored Holden and treated it like a training exercise.

_The Tachi is away!_ _Captain, this door won't hold much longer._ _I didn't think we could lose._ That scene still breaks my heart.

@makko1266

4 жыл бұрын

why must you remind us of this scene.. how could you be so cruel?

@JurgenCutters

4 жыл бұрын

Worst captain ever

@proxyoxy6095

4 жыл бұрын

@@JurgenCutters Lee Adama would like a word

@KenS1267

4 жыл бұрын

@@JurgenCutters Not remotely. She fought an enemy she couldn't even see and killed 4 before she had to destroy the ship rather than be captured. During that battle she made sure that people bearing intelligence vital to the MCR made it off the ship safely. A USN Captain who engaged 6 stealth ships that collectively possessed superior firepower to the Captain's ship and still killed them all, even at the cost of her ship, and saved vital intelligence would be lauded as having upheld the finest traditions of the service.

@Appolloscott

4 жыл бұрын

She could have said a better line, but then again I have herd someone say that she was too big to sink.

"She's not some rock-hopper. She's the flagship of the MCRN's Jupiter Fleet." Wonderful piece of technology. Remember the Donnager!

@augurseer

5 жыл бұрын

She beat them. She used her reactors to end them. She removed them from the board. Sounds like a win. Long term. For Mars.

@DrakeAurum

5 жыл бұрын

Remember the Don.

@sparrowlt

5 жыл бұрын

@John 6 stealth frigates armed with top of the line missiles and railguns .. had the Donnie had the tactical information they needed they would had most likelly eliminated all 6 of them from long range and not allowed the pack to come close

@mikevasquez1103

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. We must remember the Roci-mama.

@toastedzen

5 жыл бұрын

o7

Respect to the crew of the Sagaramatha and their valiant final stand against Inaros and the traitors.

@randomguywithwi-fi4948

3 жыл бұрын

the Sagarmatha held up well in my opinion until it got attacked from behind.

@duaneclarence8758

3 жыл бұрын

Were it not for the micrometeoroid shower and getting shot in the back, the Sagaramatha would have held the line.

@devintariel3769

3 жыл бұрын

Captain Samuels, surrender Medina station and prepare to be boarded.

@iliketrains0pwned

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomguywithwi-fi4948 A lot of symbolism from that moment too. Watching the flagship of the Martian Fleet get stabbed in the back a rogue faction of her own Navy.

@axlefoxe

3 жыл бұрын

"Held together through mere middle finger energy"

The 6 dislikes are from the Protogen Stealth Ships that got fragged

@mbnhiphopmusik6429

5 жыл бұрын

Now it's 9, the rest of the Amun Ra class vessels have come to avenge their lost brethren...

@th3comb1ne13

5 жыл бұрын

But they still frag videoed the donnager tho.

@th3comb1ne13

5 жыл бұрын

raidenzero it’s a joke

@silafuyang8675

5 жыл бұрын

They were the prototypes for an entire new type of ship design technology. They did what they had to.

@pradeeal4634

5 жыл бұрын

Splash one.

Lego really need to get the rights to make expanse sets because it would be awesome to have a model of the donnager in Lego. Excellent video as well.

@echoeversky

5 жыл бұрын

SO SAY WE ALL!

@YagiChanDan

4 жыл бұрын

Oooohhhhhhh yes

@kerbo2383

3 жыл бұрын

@@tachy1801 I saw a picture of a lego Tachi

@SynGirl32

3 жыл бұрын

@@echoeversky Alert! Alert! Foreign spies have entered the comments section!

@alexottmer2728

3 жыл бұрын

I'm working on it...

Who’s here after seeing the MCRN Sagarmatha still fight the Free Navy after she was riddled with holes?

@eddietrujillo4638

3 жыл бұрын

Even wounded she stood her ground. *presses F to pay respects*

@jackuellee

3 жыл бұрын

F

@tackytrooper

3 жыл бұрын

@@eddietrujillo4638 F

@samlycan8826

3 жыл бұрын

Wish we could see the crew amidst the fight

@tackytrooper

3 жыл бұрын

@@samlycan8826 I'm sure the ship was utterly full of carnage after the micrometeorites.

RIP MCRN Sagarmartha. Another doomed ship who put up a good fight against the odds.

@thedachmo

3 жыл бұрын

"Powered by sheer middle finger energy"

@Matt-yg8ub

Жыл бұрын

Doomed by extremely poor tactics (Which is another way of saying the plot demanded it’s sacrifice so it just sat there and let itself get shot in the ass rather than remaining in motion like every other ship in the expanse does in order to maintain gravity)

Love how the Railguns are called ''Foehammer'', which is also the name of the sword of the legendary Turgon of Gondolin during Middle Earth's first age, but is probably better known for being wielded by Gandalf in The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. That makes me realize that the Donnager makes quite the Gandalf metaphor when you think about it!

@Rampant16

5 жыл бұрын

Foe Hammer goes back further than LoTR

@n.r.slusankyaexecutor-ii6904

3 жыл бұрын

And yet no one remembers Pelican Echo 419 "Foehammer"

@n.r.slusankyaexecutor-ii6904

3 жыл бұрын

@Leonardo Ceballos nice to see someone remembers her

@devintariel3769

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda waiting for Boghammer space boats from the Iranian Space Force lmao

Absolutley love the design of the expanse ships

@Th3Nigma

5 жыл бұрын

It's literally a rocket with guns, very utilitarian, very realistic. I like how the CIC is at the heart of the ship and windowless, and not in full sight of the enemy and lightly armored like in Star Wars.

@ObsceneSuperMatt

5 жыл бұрын

@@Th3Nigma The giant open hanger seems like a massive waste of space; just a set piece for having a cool gun battle in. I think it would make a lot more sense to have smaller ships dock externally.

@thepsion5

5 жыл бұрын

@@ObsceneSuperMatt True, but docking ships on the outside of the ship could potentially throw off its center of mass, which will negatively impact it's ability to maneuver in combat. Having an internal docking bay means docked ships will have little to no impact on the ship's center of mass.

@ObsceneSuperMatt

5 жыл бұрын

@@thepsion5 Or just launch the corvette when engaging in combat?

@neocodexx

5 жыл бұрын

@@ObsceneSuperMatt Hangar is dramatically out of proportions in the show. As is everything in film production whenever they work on spaceship designs, they have the luxury of room to make it look good for the camera angles, but in reality these things would ussually be half the size based on what you see; there's just no room to fit all that in based on what they're saying or showing on the outside. If we compare the scale of Tachi (which is not a small ship, should be about 75 meters?) there's just no way Donnager would be able to store 6 of those, or even have a hangar this big if the Donnager itself is only 500 meters. Everything else makes sense on paper and on the outside, but as soon as we start comparing interior shots it all starts crumbling down. Described size of the Donnager seems right when you compare it to the sizes of Star Citizen ships which give a very realistic 1:1 display since you can actually walk inside them. Tachi seems about the size of the Connstelation, and if I would put a Constellation model besides the Donnager concept, it seems just about right. Even the Idris class - is about 250 meters with a single railgun and a hangar for a couple of fighter ships - it makes total sense Donnager would be twice as big with a bit bigger hangar for a.. maximum of 70-90 meter ship, but just one and it would be very tight. But what we see on the show, it looks like there's room for lots of those which is just not possible, in that case that would be more than half of the entire interior of the Donnager. If they scaled down the hangar shown by 50% that would be a lot more realistic. Did some digging and found some comparison mockups by the community: i.imgur.com/GIN0e0U.jpg confirms my estimations, Tachi is even smaller than I predicted, but when you put it besides the Donnager it still doesn't make sense it's hangar would be *that* big. The only thing that's bothering me with Tachi design is that based on what we've seen in the show it has a lot more roomy interior than what a Constellation does in Star Citizen, and Connie is a 60 meter ship, Tachi seems to have twice as much interior space. In "reality" there's just no way. It's just another one of those interior oversizing problems in film production, in reality space would be very, *very* cramped in a 50 meter ship. More like how the Retaliator is (where 25% of that ships interior is used just for the torpedo bay). Tl;dr: based on the interior scaling in the show, it makes it feel like Tachi is at least 100+ meter ship and the Donnager would be 1000+. But they're 50m and 500m, the overscaling is the cause of the film production, while in a game like Star Citizen you would get a much more realistic portrayal of how an interior of a spaceship really works.

"Only ship to be lost was the donnager herself" Oh this poor sweet innocent video.

One of my favourite ship designs of recent memory. Very practical whilst still looking awesome

@Nine-Signs

5 жыл бұрын

It's a volvo with a gunrack. This is a good thing.

Should do a battle breakdown of The Donnager vs Stealth Ships.

@VuLamDang

5 жыл бұрын

This need to go up :D please do a battle breakdown of the Donnager v. Protogen ship

@gpaje

5 жыл бұрын

They did do a breakdown of the Stealth Ships, turns out all of them were destroyed or skuttled either by the Donnager or her corvette the Tachi/Roci.

@Alpharius93

5 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome!!

@failedexperiment9073

5 жыл бұрын

@K.C johnson Fun fact for you: The Expanse was originally creted as a world for a computer game, the game was never developed, but the IP was instead used few years later for the books.

@fmalone03

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like if the proto molecule hadn't existed protogen should have sold the Amun Ra class designs to the UN. Using the UN's resources to mass produce hundreds or thousands of these ships would've given the UN the advantage against the MCRN and forced Mars to rethink their reliance on large battleships like the Donnager. Packs of Amun Ra ships roaming the solar system would've instilled fear in the MCRN.

"Sounds like railguns firing, means were in CQB, who would be stupid enough to attack the donnager in CQB

@zariumsheridan3488

5 жыл бұрын

Insane, not stupid, insane enough :D

@mangalores-x_x

5 жыл бұрын

What should worry the MCRN is that these were privately funded, but Earth built frigate class ships aka if the UN ever manages to scrap together enough money their technological advantage may be in peril.

@Boxghost102

4 жыл бұрын

@@mangalores-x_x I never thought of that, you make a good point. Imagine Truman dreads with steal tech and extra railgun.

@iain3713

4 жыл бұрын

Boxghost102 stealth tech is kinda useless for actual combat as once you start firing or if you use your engines you will be detected

@LokeshMeena-je4qb

4 жыл бұрын

@@iain3713 first-look, first-shot, first-kill

Who's here after watching Donnager Class laststand front of the ring gate?

@nefariousgremlin7554

3 жыл бұрын

me

@randomguywithwi-fi4948

3 жыл бұрын

it actually held up really well until it got nuked from behind

@nefariousgremlin7554

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomguywithwi-fi4948 yeah, it held up like a champ

@mosalah8551

3 жыл бұрын

Me 😭😭

@eddietrujillo4638

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they only took it down cuz Medina station had to stab it in the back

Damn, all those bullets/projectiles that haven't hit will be flying on forever. Could become a problem.

@neolexiousneolexian6079

4 жыл бұрын

No, you just need to make sure you fire them faster than solar escape velocity, and they'll head out into space forever.

@bjturon

4 жыл бұрын

And hit somebody else... Klingons!

@FlorenceFox

4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKVlq8OQfNbforQ.html

@Interitus1

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlorenceFox Before I click this, is this from Mass Effect?

@FlorenceFox

4 жыл бұрын

@@Interitus1 YEP.

Would love a mini series on the "Pirate Suppression Campaign" involving Yao and also deals with various missions by the Force Recon Marines!!!

This was the best recruitment video for the MCRN.

Foe Hammer...as is Gandalf's sword. Even the future loves Tolkien.

@yobeefjerky42

5 жыл бұрын

Also Halo

@BNRmatt

3 жыл бұрын

Martians are descended from scientists and engineers. Of course they're giant nerds.

Question of the day, could have Donnager survived or even won if her captain had taken the engagement seriously from the beginning and launched Rocci when it could have provided extra firepower and second target?

@Manuelomar2001

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, and besides what others have said, she should have launched all of her gunships. IIRC, the Donnager had 4, Tachi was just the closest one docked. With the Donnager firing more torpedos + 4 Corvettes fighting too, they would have taken it.

@TheLoremistress

5 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. I think she did take it seriously with the available information at hand. We've got to remember warheads are very expensive as is reactor mass and wear and tear on the ship (and parasite ships) systems. If she'd known the actual capabilities of the stealth ship she would have taken a more aggressive stance with the outcome likely to be different. But you can only defend against known capabilities not unknown.

@TheArklyte

5 жыл бұрын

@@Manuelomar2001 well, I guess I've meant TV show situation in particular then where we see only Rocci in the hangar alongside the capsule that was brought in. Not as many extra torps and CIWS, but still one extra target that maneuvers around plus you simply can't board Donni while a gunship flies around(similar to how infantry can't use magnetic mines on a tank if there is second one around covering it that can just open fire with all MGs without any fear of injuring their own).

@th3comb1ne13

5 жыл бұрын

Aiden Hunter I disagree. Not only do the stealth ships have more advanced PDCs they would at minimum be connected to a similar if not better tracking system than the donnager. (Considering the stealth ships already had better torpedo tracking). Along with this the mere light railguns they where equipped with where more than enough to take on the donnager’s super heavy railguns in an all out slug fest. So considering that the stealth ships have hyper cooled PDCs and at minimum a similarly advanced tracking system I don’t think spamming torpedoes would decide this engagement. As for including the frigate the donnager carries it was already pure luck that the rocci survived an encounter with 1 stealth ship (as evident before and after the battle of thoth station) so I don’t think a single martian frigate would have any significant impact on this engagement. What I think the donnager should have done was keep at a distance and focus one ship at a time to prevent them from evading and using railguns. But either way 6 top of the line stealth frigates would be more than a match for the donnager.

@TheArklyte

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheLoremistress except launching Rocci was a logical thing to do. If there is an unknown contact approaching your carrier, you'd send out a plane to intercept and just warn away whomever it is if it's actually a mistake, right? We'd really need an episode on that battle.

The one thing I haven't really seen in any other show, is that when the larger vessels approach their target location, they will rotate 180 degrees to reverse burn/decelerate. I think I first picked up on this when they were approaching the "Ring". Really neat that physics are being used in this show.

"I think they're diverting power to the railguns . . . "

@joshfritz5345

5 жыл бұрын

@Tim Burning "Who would be insane enough to engage the Donnager in CQB!?"

@JacobLang240

4 жыл бұрын

"This is not supposed to happen!"

@orionbarnes1733

4 жыл бұрын

Hey! Alex! Look wha I've got! here ya go... everything is going be OK. Everything is going to be just fi-

@asgodandheinleinintended2398

3 жыл бұрын

“Stares at Shed’s decapitated body.”

@jonathangodin4775

3 жыл бұрын

"You know for a badass Mickey navy boy you're a pretty whiny little bitch"

As much as I like the Donnager, I’m a sucker for the Truman Class.

I'm thinking The Expanse will be the next series I watch from start to finish on Amazon Prime Video.

@ntnwwnet

5 жыл бұрын

Do it now.

@zariumsheridan3488

5 жыл бұрын

If you haven't seen the 3 seasons they have so far I kinda envy you ....

The main thing I appreciate about this vid is the proper use of "futureproof". Good job, Spacedock. You're vids are getting better and better.

My sister-in-law asked me what I wanted for my birthday this year. Thanks to Spacedock I had a ready-made answer 🤣

The Expanse ship designs are so good. Love the Martian light frigate

"I didn't think we could lose..."

The Donnager battle always reminds me of the first space battle in Crest of the Stars. A lone powerful warship beset upon by a wolfpack.

my first exposure to the expanse and all I can say is WOW.

Great to see this episode. Thanks Daniel and the folks from the production team. The Expanse is one of the most realistic sci-fi shows, demonstrating real world tech and tactics. No light speed travel, no phasers. Just good old human engineering and know how. Love SpaceDock, love The Expanse!

I see a lot of people questioning Yao's actions and whether the Donnager would have survived through an earlier response or indeed a different Captain, but what I think is easy to forget is the experience of all those in the MCRN, besides some standoffs and limited engagements since the civil war, Mars hasn't fought with a peer adversary (the only one they knew of being Earth), their military might was entirely geared around war with Earth, their technology has developed immensely, their soldiers disciplined, fit, intelligent and trained, but ultimately the idea of open beligerence and the practice of actually carrying it out are completely alien to those who had previously only engaged with comparitively miniscule threats from pirates and small scale, decentralised OPA cells, which more frequently weren't armed at all and if they were armed still had an effectively zero percent chance of actually posing any true threat. The element of surprise is a real thing that has started and ended wars in history, and Protogen had that on their side, Yao had no reason to suspect Earth would attack them, and had reason to believe a zealous group of lightly militarised OPA had planned an ill fated attack on them using Holden's crew as bait (if the Cant had been infiltrated with fanatical OPA, perhaps someone whom the MCRN had intelligence on having experience in detonating reactors *ahem* Naomi) but would ultimately fail to destroy the Donnager. Was Yao arrogant? Yes, but was this a unique character trait for a Martian Naval Captain at the time? certainly not, could better decisions been made on part of Yao's CIC? certainly, but do military commands always make the optimal decisions and win every battle? I think the history of human warfare has a very definitive answer to that. So TL;DR Yao and her CIC were arrogant and inexperienced in contemporary astronaval peer combat, but so was every MCRN officer at the time, Protogen had the element of surprise in both their very existence as a militarily powerful entity and having engineered a highly deceptive scenario that worked in their favour. The Donnager could have one, but so could have General Southers successfully detained Admiral Yi or Ashford killed Inaros and prevented the rise of the Free Navy. You start getting into whatifs and you gaze into infinity. All things considered, so long as someone found the batteries, were attacked by a militarily advanced adversary and broadcasted the implication of illegal Martian aggression, Protogen would be on course in their plans.

I was really hoping the second ship of the class was going to be called Olympus Mons. What a fantastically powerful and well thought out warship though. Love these videos, can't wait to see more.

Barkeith has been retconned and is a Supply ship now, not a Donnager

As now recently stated by Daniel himself. These ships are held toghether with "Sheer middle finger energy"

Now this is what I call 'in depth!' Great job, but I'm surprised that you didn't mention that one of this classes biggest advantages was that it could rotate and fire its railguns while adjusting course, unlike other ships. I mean, you did say the turrets could turn and fire while the ship was moving, but I feel like it's important to distinguish that other vessels couldn't do the same. Really underscores just how technologically progressive the MCR is.

@kalyana9705

3 жыл бұрын

It was mentioned

One of the best KZread clips I've seen in a while! So informative, researched and eloquently spoken. It was almost like you feel the fear you have of this awesome ship!

Wonder why they never considered installing additional torpedo bays in those empty hardpoints. They could be ejected sideways from the ship instead of accelerated down launch tubes which I bet consumes more power. With the wreck of the Osiris handed over to Avasalara Earth now has the opportunity to up it's naval game considerably.

@TribuneAquila

3 жыл бұрын

Its impotant to remember in naval design the addition of one thing means sacrificing another. So more torpedoes means less interior space depending on how much ammo you want to stock, and more chane of getting hit and detonating those torpedoes. Possibly extra mass means more power used to propel the ship means more fuel usage means shorter patrol deployments or heavier fuel loads. So just because you could add extra weapons you may not necessarily want to.

@jakeg3733

2 жыл бұрын

They exist in the real world. Roll off torpedo launchers

@dgd947a15fl

2 жыл бұрын

Accelerating torps down launch tubes would probably be really important for how much of their own fuel they expend accelerating.

Hmmm, in Season 5 the Barkeith designation became a supply ship I believe

@BlackHawkBallistic

3 жыл бұрын

@@collecter343 was Bobby actually scrapping a Donager class ship? I though it was the same kind as whatever the Pela is.

this love for details is what makes the expanse something realy unique who ever counts him/herself a scifi fan .. but haven't seen it yet ... do so .. its worth your time

My favourite part is that the railguns are named after Gandalf's sword. Clearly a huge number of the people naming things in the expanse are canonically huge dorks and I love it.

I love these videos. They give more info and you get to understand so much more. You guys really helped me love the Expanse by explaining an important part of the show.

I need to actually watch the Expanse.

@pimpinaintdeadho

5 жыл бұрын

It's a great show.

@temiajuwon8893

5 жыл бұрын

It's a great show, kind of starts of slow though.

@christophermitchell7001

5 жыл бұрын

Just read the novels.

@jonathonharlan5709

5 жыл бұрын

@@temiajuwon8893 Yes... with some nice slow space sex 😁

@evilbeardedman

5 жыл бұрын

@@christophermitchell7001 why not both? I feel they differ enough to enjoy. I myself started the books after 3rd season ended, and now reading the 7th.

I just hope the space battles they show now that its moved off sci fi get better. the rocci, vs stealth ship was awesome but the 30 capital ship battle above the protegien base could of been epic.

@daedalus-N7

5 жыл бұрын

They actually cut half the Space battles from caliban's war, out of season 3

@FLOABName

5 жыл бұрын

Well the story as it is in the book only gets bigger in scale the further in it goes. And it also adds a lot of existential dread as the protomolecule plot continues. Plus Jeff Bezos is richer than God and is a fan of the show so I suspect it will be well funded over at amazon.

@sparrowlt

5 жыл бұрын

@@daedalus-N7 and also they cut all the Mars-Belt war from book one.. in wich Belters and Mars go full beserk on one another for some weeks

@JamesVDBosch

5 жыл бұрын

@@sparrowlt Meh, at that point the OPA didn't really have any actual combat vessels.

@sparrowlt

5 жыл бұрын

@@JamesVDBosch yeah.. but aparently that didnt stop them to suicidally throwing themselves at Martian warships.. aparently they even managed some kills acelerating rocks at high speeds (like the Xinglong did in the series) at it was feared that Belters could do mass destruction to mars acelerating asteroids towards the planet

I really do love to watch your videos about all the space ships from all the different programs and games, especially the ships of The Expanse. This video of the Donnager is one of your best and most thorough description of any ship so far, or at least that I can remember hearing and watching. I think I'm going to switch one of my Patreion to your channel. Thank you for your hard work and outstanding imagination in everything you put on your channel.

Stellar walkthrough, lots of juicy details from the amazing Expanse universe.

The loss of the Donnanger was the result of one thing, arrogance. The captain couldn't even convince of a threat her ship couldn't face. Once the Donnanger's thermal control systems were damaged its fate and the fate of her crew were sealed. It reminds me of the battle of the Denmark straight. No one thought the HMS Hood could be lost so easily.

I feel like the Donnager's design took some inspiration from UNSC ships.

Honestly one of the most detailed videos you've produced! Fantastic information!

I've been waiting for this. Such an awesome design. Really happy you were able to do this series great all around

MCRN FTW! The MCRN is by far the best military in the Expanse (TV show at least). Some things I'd change about the Donnager would be: - Water coolant system, ejecting steam into space - more reactor power and more weapons. - More short-range weapons - More support ships - More armored troops to prevent boarding. - Flechette PDCs to prevent boarding (by live troops at least) - Flechette railgun rounds to disable ships at medium range. Whet do you think?

@mohammedfachrydwihandoko7557

4 жыл бұрын

Deployable flechette turrets are used in ship halls and critical rooms -- the book mentioned their use as a security system

@TribuneAquila

4 жыл бұрын

It’s important to remember that in naval design no ship is truly state of the art, as between the time you design, lay down and build a ship tech has already progressed. So ship design is a game of predicting what the future of battle will be. Basically this means that more stuff of one thing will mean less of another (water coolant system=less drinking water=shorter patrol/range). Also the more of something will mean longer build time, meaning the vessel will be that much more outdated. Now there is always retrofitting but often if you’re replacing internal systems it means rebuilding a ship, so why not just build a new one?

@duckboiii4441

3 жыл бұрын

I love the MCR, but I prefer Laconia

@Hailfire08

3 жыл бұрын

@@duckboiii4441 fair, I'm just halfway through book 7 now and Laconia is pretty cool

The Donnager, the Bismarck of the expanse.

@halseyactual1732

5 жыл бұрын

Yamato* Fixed it for you.

@TribuneAquila

4 жыл бұрын

Except the Donnie was killed by state of the art light craft. The Bismarck, by biplanes...

@flerrel

3 жыл бұрын

@@TribuneAquila Another day, another brit still salty about HMS Hood.. xD

@EthanJaye

3 жыл бұрын

@@flerrel tbh tho I would be more ashamed if my ship were sunk by planes

A very well put together video. The pace and projection of your voice are perfect. Almost iconic. I hope the channel takes you far.

Thank you for covering ships from this universe! Top notch quality, as always.

I've been hoping for this, the big Donny is my favorite ship in The Expanse and I'm glad to see you cover her.

@thegreenreaper6660

2 жыл бұрын

Havent seen the S-5 finale then? THe MCRN Sagarmartha is a worthy sistership to the Donnager. Though severely damaged, it still kept on firing 'on pure middlefinger engery', and took out séveral enemy vessels..... Véry cool spacebattle btw, S5E10, the Battle for the Ring Gate. 1 MCRN Donnager-class highly advanced dreadnought, combined with two Truman-class UNN Dreadnoughts guarding the Ring Gate... you'd think tháts a SOLID defence, right? 6 mássive railguns, a plethora of missiletubes and countless PDC's... what could get through that? Well, watch and see! Its one HELL of a battle!

@SgtShakenBake

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreenreaper6660 Yes! I love that scene! Even tho she's shot to yell she goes down swinging and only gets taken out because of treachery

@thegreenreaper6660

2 жыл бұрын

@@SgtShakenBake treachery indeed. Backstabbed by 6 torpedo's getting a direct hit, right into her Engines: the most vulnerable part of the ship! But even áfter that ménacing meteor shower, which crippled the Dreadnought, it still kept firing its other Railgun as well as keeping up a 'screen' of PDC-fire vs incoming torps'. In a quick shot, over Inaros' flagship, the Pella, you see one ofthe FN frigates just getting obliterated by a síngle shot from the Sagarmarta's still operating Railgun, where the the FN is simply out or range for the UNN Trumans. MCRN Dreadnoughts, have far more advanced sensor arrays: can scan further, ánd target enemy's from a larger distance, making it a vástly superior warship to te aging Truman Class from the UNN. Its because of this, the Sagarmarta hád to be taken down first! It was thé most powerful of the 3 mássive Dreadnoughts, guarding the ringgate! Its a stúnning battle indeed! Initially Inaros' Free Navy is outclassed,,, 10 to 1 vs those 3 warships, yet Inaros is but the 'bearbait'... The Meteorstrike is to soften them up. The Medina-torpedo's are to kill the Sagarmarta, and with thát ship gone, the MCRN-rogue ships from Sauveterre can move in, unreckognised, due to the loss ofthe MCRN Dreadnought, again surprising the 2 remaining UNN ships in a flanking manouvre on their most damaged flanks! This was a very well thought out strategy, but then again, if you count the amount of GUNS on those 3 megaships... well saying Inaros only had 1 shot a this to pull this off, is an understatement! Even with Inaros' plan working pérfectly, the allied defense stil ltakes down about half a dozen of Inaros' ships... damaged or aging..they are just thát powerful! Especially the MCRN Sagarmarta! The Donnager-Class Dreadnought is an absolute pinnacle of technological advances! Tbf, UN should be grateful it never came to a direct battle with the MCR. Imo those Donnager-class dreadnoughts would just téar those Trumans apart! Cant wait for S6 and see the MCRN deploy séveral of those badboys to hunt Inaros and Sauveterre!

Its very clever to see a ship being designed with elements that it cannot take full advantage of yet, but will allow the spaceframe to be useful long into the future.

I got into this show late and loved it. But I must say after watching this I realized the Donnager class ship is the Willis "Sears" Tower in Chicago. When I look at it now I think Holy Sh*t thats the Donnager?

This is a brilliant series that I was unaware of. Frequently pausing to read all the information. Great channel, thx.

I'm a simple man. I see Expanse I upvote.

You got to give it to the expanse team for coming up with such an effective ship design that also maintains realism and tactical thinking.

Good work. This was something I didn't know I was waiting for

This kickass official series earned my sub. Keep up the good work!

So in future seasons, will we see Donnager-Class Battleships with four railguns? Because I'm excited.

@StaK_1980

5 жыл бұрын

And they'll end up like the Excalibur from the Crusade (B5 spin off) :D without power for 1 minute :D

@battleoid2411

5 жыл бұрын

@Aiden Hunter railgun propulsion drive

@joshfritz5345

5 жыл бұрын

@@battleoid2411 Kzinti lesson 1: your engine is your gun Kzinti lesson 2: your gun is your engine

@daedalus-N7

5 жыл бұрын

There isn't really any more massive Space battles in the books. Of the current class of Martian ships. In the newest book there is space battles involving newer ships though

@Joshua-yf5mh

5 жыл бұрын

@@battleoid2411 You joke but that actually happens in one of the books.

"Whos gonna feast on Earths sky and drink their rivers dry?! Whos going stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust!?! Until the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons who are we!?!?! I CANT HEAR YOU!?!?! WHO ARE WE!?!?!?" Remember the DONNY!!

@MrRobot-0

5 жыл бұрын

Funny the coment with amperion o the logo (even if traw probaly would be aversed to this aproach) simce martians and imperial share comonalities.

@Matt-yg8ub

3 жыл бұрын

An entire generation of progress lost, because the Martians decided to become a militaristic state bent on holding a grudge against the home world for having natural oceans

wow so glad I found this channel. I immediately made a playlist of most of your vids

I love your delivery of this episode, the MCRN would be proud! Well done!

Thank goodness The Expanse was saved by Jeff Bezos and Amazon. Hopefully this INCREDIBLE SHOW will benefit from a higher budget and higher production quality.

@evilbeardedman

5 жыл бұрын

They will definitely need the money. The rest of the books need a lot of good CGI.

@mihailazar2487

5 жыл бұрын

It might balso get dumbed down to appeal to a broader audience

@mbnhiphopmusik6429

5 жыл бұрын

I still kinda think it should have been Netflix to do that. They got shows like Altered Carbon and The Last Kingdom that do not neccessarily appeal to big audiences are based on books and are actually great. We'll see what Amazon do with the property though.

@mihailazar2487

5 жыл бұрын

​@@mbnhiphopmusik6429 I agree ... Netflix already has a monopoly over that market and I'm afraid of the show being hindered by it's platform and suffering the fate Nokia's Lumia phones endured So I'm a bit worried about that, But I mean personally I couldn't give a damn since I live in Transylvania where there's no Netflix nor Amazon so i'll be whatchin on Popcorntime lol

@pimpinaintdeadho

5 жыл бұрын

@@mihailazar2487 Not that I'm a big fan of either service but why don't you guys have NetFlix or Amazon in Transylvania? And I'm guessing that's Romania and not Transylvania, Louisiana.

Easily my favorite battleship design in The Expanse

Oh, thank lord you're back at it! I love this series! Keep it up!

Still the best Expanse content out there! Thanks for all you do!

2 years later... The season 5 finale brought me back here . Belta Lowda!

Just sitting here holding my breath to see what the series' rendition of Laconian ships will look like.

@RHICfct

4 жыл бұрын

do not spoil shit my friend

@g8r50

4 жыл бұрын

That might take another season before they even approach the plot for that arc of the Expanse. We’ll just have to see, but I’m psyched for when it happens

@downnice95

4 жыл бұрын

@@RHICfct don't go in comments then dumbass People who cry about spoilers are the absolute worst

@kerbo2383

3 жыл бұрын

Mars, but blue

@aolson1111

3 жыл бұрын

@@downnice95 Dipshits who spoil things in unrelated videos are the worst.

Fantastic detailed description of such fearsome Tech.

AMAZING JOB DUDE!

Myth: Teflon coating does not improve armor-piercing capability - but it does save wear-and-tear on barrels, and reduce deflections off hard, angled surfaces.

@Rudeskie

3 жыл бұрын

you need depleted uranium tipped rounds for armor piercing, they are illegal in War but that never stopped the US and UK from radiating the shit outta iraq

@rkt739

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rudeskie Depleted uranium is not illegal, nor is it particularly radioactive. It is quite toxic though, which has caused many groups to work toward banning or restricting its use.

Surely there would also be a handful of torpedos onboard with multi-megaton yield strategic warheads, ala those that blasted apart Phoebe. A fleet might need such firepower if it has to deal with situation like say, belters illegally moving asteroids into Mars intersect orbit.

Love the detailed breakdown, that you got in contact to make it official is great! pro tip to others, these videos are great at 90% speed ;P

Got all the books on audible and rewatched the series twice. I love this series.

Love this series. Any chance you’ll be updating it in the future, now that we have new Martian/Free Navy ships and uhh...whatever Duarte and Cortázar are up to?

Dear Eaglemoss Collections, I hope you're watching this and taking notes! We need an Expanse collection of ships!

@coreydonaldson3303

5 жыл бұрын

I would definitely buy those ships

@Admiral-tz1sp

3 жыл бұрын

Eaglemoss ships are coming this year from an article I saw.

Thanks for these cool videos. I only found your channel a few days ago l, and I’ve already seen over 100videos. Please keep up the great work, and I only ask for more Babylon 5 videos. That was a pivotal show for me in my youth, and I appreciate any help in getting it into the public sphere more, possibly leading to a reboot.

Amazing Detail! Thank you!

I wonder if the expanse guys watch this channel frequently.

@StaK_1980

5 жыл бұрын

They do, the do the quality control after all. :D

@Th3Nigma

5 жыл бұрын

Probably, but they also sponsor these guys. It's about the money, Lebowski.

@alexandrearrive6199

5 жыл бұрын

@@Th3Nigma For once, they literally pay for the content Spacedock makes. I guess it's an actually fair trade, and I'm quite happy about this lore!

@Matteus2109

5 жыл бұрын

@@StaK_1980 Awesome!

@zariumsheridan3488

5 жыл бұрын

@Mahazama I think Daniel is doing a great gob here. They should really hire him or something. All these tiny details bring more depth and realism.

Literally one minute after upload... noice

Fantastic video, brilliantly explained and discussed.

Your best work yet! Kudos 🙌

Love how this video gives the MCRN Warships credit other than the tv series where it was destroyed kinda easily. Love those ships, glad you made a video on it

@bjahava

5 жыл бұрын

Bruv. The DOnnie was killed by like 6 state of the art stealth destroyers. It killed most of them without having ANY intel on them. I would say the Donni put up quiet the fight.

@qfinck

5 жыл бұрын

@@bjahava One complaint I have about the fight is how easily the MCRN Marines were overpowered. That shouldn't have happened as the MCRN should have had significantly more than the two remaining destroyers. Especially, if the Donnager class carries Force Recon marines in Goliath power armor like is stated in this video.

@bjahava

5 жыл бұрын

@@qfinck The Marines were not activated. By the time Captain Mao realized how fucked they were.. the Donnie had already taken several rail gun rounds. Her crew were dead.

@mohammedfachrydwihandoko7557

4 жыл бұрын

Worry not, we'll be seeing more ships of the same class in action and epic battles in upcoming seasons

The Corvette class looks like it's built in Space Engineers-

i pretty much still waiting for more Freespace stuff on this channel, i really loved that video on the Orion Class destroyer you did a couple years ago and i want MOAR, big fan here and an all time fan of Freespace :D

Great video. Lots of info on these great ships!

NEVER saw this show. Not MUCH gets to us down here! :o(

@silafuyang8675

5 жыл бұрын

The best sci-fi series EVER.

Hey Daniel, Have you ever read the excellent series of books called 'The Lost Fleet'? It's descriptions of space combat are rather magnificent, making it into effectively space jousting because of the speeds the ships are moving at. If you haven't I highly recommend that you pick up the series and give it a shot. I'd love to hear what you think of the ship combat as I believe it's version of space combat makes far more sense than most IP's.

@Nurhaal

5 жыл бұрын

That seems rather wasteful depending on their propulsion technologies. The amount of retro burning and acceleration would heat up the ship to ridiculously high levels and maybe expand all the fuel. It's often better to perform long distance sensor and recon sweeps, ID a target and then match their relative vector. The the battle becomes more natural, just at super long distances.

@MrEakieran

5 жыл бұрын

@@Nurhaal well with the distances involved in travelling across systems ships have to travel at relatistic speeds, often up to 0.2c or higher. Going at these speeds to cross the system means that slowing down to engage and then speeding up again would waste far more fuel that keeping the speed going and using it in the combat itself. It makes a lot more sense than ships standing still in a fight or crossing a star system at speeds where fleets closing at each other matching speeds and using fighters. The books describe it quite well and I believe it makes a lot of sense if you read them and understand it.

@Nurhaal

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrEakieran I'd certainly need to look it up because I'm still not convinced. You stated more reason why fuel consumption is paramount. I'm a modern military enthusiast with strong connections to current technologies and doctrine. When Air Superiority fighters engaged for example, they use their longest ranged weapons first and often at the highest speed capable as that increases range and terminal speeds ( a faster missile is harder to dodge ). The problem is that these attacks only work in Asymmetric situations where the enemy engaged does not have the CM to realize they're being painted and attacked from 100km out. If same or similar standards of weapons platforms were used, even the one with a long ranged bias would likely burn through 3 to 6 missiles to get a single kill. By this time, they're approaching a merge if there are several agents on either side. This similar 'lancing' or 'jousting' is used in IRL with these fighters and the reason a Merge occurred at all is because the constant maneuvers to evade the long distance attacks burn your energy. Since you're way slower, you're forced into a furball and are fighting WVR instead of BVR. Once in WVR, you re constantly fighting physics to give back your speed so you're generally in Afterburner 100% of the time in this situation. At max fuel consumption, most fighters can remain engaged in this manner for mere minutes only before they have to bug out and RTB. The maneuvers that occur are both to try and catch or evade the dogfight, as well as end up in a position where you can still retreat even when Bingo Fuel. I hope the book addresses this because much like IRL, we thought BVM the new norm, however physical fuel reserves, physics itself and countermeasures ensure that evenly matched opponents will get forced into bloody knife duels and this is why dogfighting is still taught heavily til this day. I'm going to look it up and see if I can find out what the author uses for this setting. I'm hoping the book addresses this

@thepsion5

5 жыл бұрын

I loved the combat and strategy aspects, but the main character spending all his time basically going "How can I reeeeeach these keeeeeeeds" got old after awhile, lol

@battleoid2411

5 жыл бұрын

@@thepsion5 That and the whole *does something worthy of the Black Jack legend* "I'm not Black Jack, I cant believe they think I am."

this is your best show to date. it may be sci fi, but your care and consideration for the literary and visual arts is to be commended. kudos.

Totally stoked that you got to work with the expanse team