It’s the best day of the week because it’s prerelease day AND new EDHRecast day

@davidrosenberg9615

10 ай бұрын

I can't wait for next week, when it'll happen again! (Sarcastic, but only a little)

@PraetorGix

10 ай бұрын

I love how you phrase it like there's a prerelease every week, because we're THIS close to actually having new products every damned week...

Note for the primal surge challenge: First, primal surge is itself a may effect, so you can choose to stop going off before you deck yourself. Second, another popular card with mandatory draw is The Great Henge. However, Soul of the Harvest does have the ETB-draw clause, *and* it's a may.

@GerBessa

10 ай бұрын

Also, abundance can protect you.

@selkokieli843

9 ай бұрын

As a random thought about primal surge, I would play a couple misses in my deck to induce variance and keep it interesting for me.

@sawderf741

2 ай бұрын

​@@GerBessaI was just about to say that too. I love it when I can effectively use abundance.

1:01:30 I think that's why simpler designs have also seen a surge in popularity, such as the uncommons from SNC or Baldur's Gate. Recently, I built a Queza-Deck and it might have been the most fun thing I put together this year

As someone who has only been playing commander since maybe 2020, this was a fun and informative one for me!

@dominicsandoval2214

10 ай бұрын

Me too, did you get started during quarantine?

@imthehuman

10 ай бұрын

@@dominicsandoval2214 yep! I built maybe five decks before ever getting a chance to play any, thanks to in-person gaming being damn near impossible at that time.

Those Early EDH days were wild, and by wild i mean painfully slow. I remember i was playing ShatterGang Bros. And matches would last 2-3 hours!

I don't think this got touched on, but... I wonder how much Arena has complicated MTG card design recently. I feel like some of these damage/token doublers and triplers are super fun in digital Magic but a bit of a pain in paper.

@Tuss36

10 ай бұрын

Damage isn't so bad, it's just math, but god dang have they been making a lot of clone effects recently. I play digitally myself so it's not a problem, but I can't imagine the amount of placeholder tokens some decks would need to use in paper.

@carlospadilla7247

9 күн бұрын

​@@Tuss36I have a deck box full of copies

I'll say, one of the changes over the years that has affected me was that at one point I had your entire library of episodes to watch for the first time! Now I have to wait a week to get the three of ya'll together for new content!

A continual highlight of my week for the past few years has been watching y'all's newest podcast episode. Truly a great production

@EDHRECast

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

1:09:56 "No one's going to be impressed by how much I hate something" There's a LOOOOOOOT of people who need to hear that and take it to heart.

IMO the format was significantly better when it wasnt been designed for and having 3 or 4 legends per set where one might be any good was better. Most people had decks of about the same strength and the mana curve basically started at around 4. Good times.

@jadegrace1312

9 ай бұрын

Idk as someone who played a lot then, I think modern commander is much more interesting.

@DracoX-hz3tu

8 ай бұрын

I think both eras have their strengths, the old commander really was a format where you played random bulk rares and pet cards and they were effective, but at the same time, modern design means you'll get a commander for almost any strategy you'd like to make. Energy is a great example, had they been using modern design philosophy back then, we would have at least 1, probably multiple energy commanders

@pascalsimioli6777

5 ай бұрын

@jadegrace1312 of course it is more interesting now but there's always some nostalgic idiot who wants to go back to "Unga bunga caveman format" because they were young and with fewer problems back then.

@carlospadilla7247

9 күн бұрын

You mean back when we were including cards simply because they were the right color? No thanks I've played enough 3 hour long battle cruiser edh games to last a lifetime.

Wow Matt that Rick Astley joke was amazing. You really didn't run around it!

I think something to keep in mind is that making commanders more complicated is for a design reason. If you are increasing the number of commanders you are printing, the threat of running out of new design space is very real. If you increase the text on a card it's the same effect as increasing the number of digits in a license plate or phone number, meaning they simply have more room to work with before forced duplication.

Ah pre 2011 EDH, i miss those days. I still remember when the 1st round of commander decks came out i was a part of my local stores EDH regulars and they held a Kaalia deck for me because that was the only one i cared about lol. Ended up getting Kaalia and Zedruu.

I think another reason for putting so much UB in commander is that its the safest "sandbox" for niche or hyper-specific card design. They can make four flavor-first decks that are fun to play and not worry as much about breaking competitive formats.

@jinxed7915

10 ай бұрын

That doesn't make sense though... because UB cards do go into competitive formats, namely Legacy and Vintage, and have already done a good job of impacting them, leading to at least one ban that I know of. If WoTC really cared, they would have printed all of the UB cards with silver borders (and also wouldn't do stuff like declare that the LoTR set is modern legal for some dubious reason), which would protect competitive formats while still giving people an avenue to play with the cards by simply asking if their pod wouldn't mind, which is a request most people would oblige

@princess_intell

10 ай бұрын

@@jinxed7915 impact isn't the same thing as breaking, and vintage and legacy already have the most powerful cards ever printed. The formats WOTC is actually worried about are modern, pioneer, and standard.

I think that Dana’s point is that WotC Corp can’t allow nostalgia formats to just be nostalgia formats because they are in the business of selling new cards. Recently, I’ve built a few decks for which I just look forward to seeing how Wizards will power creep them (lack of a better word) with each new release, but I’m not sure it’ll keep my interest forever. I also struggle with the idea of having to put cards from IPs I actively dislike into my decks… Interesting episode!

I sarted playing in 2020 in commander. And to be honest I think that if you play casual it's amazing. There's a lot of products so the meta cannot exist since it shifts so fast. And you see a lot of new decks across the table so you never know what to expect. It's fun and new. But if you play "serious" then you need to keep up with powercreep and that's hard to do

@egoish6762

10 ай бұрын

It's pretty easy to keep up with new sets if you're only interested in "playable" cards, WOE for example held about 10 cards for my casual edh decks compared to 3 for constructed and zero for cedh. I find i can pick up playsets of everything from a set for modern, pioneer, standard and pauper pretty cheap other than outliers like sheoldred.

Workout and listening to you guys, what a great day.

It's worth pointing out (and I just reliazed this myself) that Primal Surge is a may for putting the card onto the battlefield. So it isn't even nessecarily a "don't run these cards," so much as it is a "don't just dump your library onto the battlefield, actually walk through it"

@Dragon_Fyre

10 ай бұрын

I think the concern is as much about the reduced overall combo effectiveness as it is about the risk of milling your own deck. The idea with Primal Surge decks is that you have few non-permanents, so you are going to put most of your deck into play. If you have to draw 2+ cards for every permanent that comes into play, you cannot do that. Instead of getting 60+ permanents into play, you get capped at maybe 20 permanents (and 40 cards in your hand) because those enchantments unlike Primal Surge are not optional.

@chrisvanderheiden12

10 ай бұрын

Sure, that's very true. It's just that they specifically called out milling a decent amount. But reducing combo potential is definitely a better way of putting what I meant

@Dragon_Fyre

10 ай бұрын

@@chrisvanderheiden12 I agree. Their challenge the stats segment focussed too much on ‘drawing too many cards is bad’, without properly explaining why with primal surge decks that is such a problem.

@Stray7

10 ай бұрын

@@Dragon_Fyre Indeed. I specifically run ETB draw effects in my "oops all permanents" Primal Surge deck, but it's Muldrotha and I have access to Lab Man, Jace WoM and Thoracle...Primal Surge is supposed to win me the game on the spot if it resolves, it's not a value piece.

Id love for you guys to cover how content creation and websites like EDHRec influence the format. That sounds incredibly interesting

The current era of design seems to have cards that “rotate” the format, not because people feel obligated to keep up, but because the new designs are genuinely exciting for people to brew around or try out in decks.

@Tuss36

10 ай бұрын

I'd feel better about it if I knew the player's feelings on the matter. I can only guess off my gut, but I can't shake the feeling that there are many that play those stronger commanders and cards not out of desire but a sense of obligation. I don't know if someone's playing Edgar because they love having an unstoppable swarm of vampires and every other card they play comes with bonus value, or if they just want a Mardu vampire commander and he's the only one on theme and they'd honestly tune him down if they could because the overbearing emminence ability isn't why they're running him. The former isn't exactly wrong, but I'd like to know the audience metrics to know how many people actually prefer such designs or just put up with it for the sake of their desired theme.

@johnathanrhoades7751

7 ай бұрын

@@Tuss36Edgar Markov was 6 years ago, which to me feels an odd example of modern design? But maybe not.

I really loved how they gave boros the whole exile thing, I wish they sorta made that a key theme, not just on stryx.

Matt's Challenge the Stats reminds me why I played a Surrak Dragonclaw shell around Primal Surge - so I have access to Lab Man and Jace WoM for those compulsory draws

I started MtG just about around 2011. Didn’t get into EDH immediately, but this is a fun walk down memory lane. Also really don’t like universes beyond, but it’s also kinda whatever. I enjoy playing with friends and family and don’t pay as much attention to wizards/hasbro and what’s coming out most recently.

27:00 I reccomend Legion Loyalty. It triples and stacks with true conviction.

Going off of what Joey was saying about " A Moment In Commander ", I have to point out an article by Sam Stroddard on May 23, 2023 which told the magic community about the " Legends Rule Change " Up until this rules change, Clone was a " Removal Spell " and if you ran blue, you would run Clone just to have removal ( if only for commanders ) in your deck. I'm not sure about other metas of the time, but in my meta, it was common to have a secondary commander in a deck just in case someone else had a deck with the same legend. Did anyone else do this in the 2011-2013 era ?

Props to Dana on that mid roll ad read, that was a very long winded one! Well executed.

@MisterWebb

10 ай бұрын

Magic should come with a gambling addiction warning, too

Did I just learn a major life lesson? “The change doesn’t care what you do”.

Legends (1994) came out *less* than a year after Alpha (1993), not 2 years after Alpha. But we all understand the general point that Dana was making.

Very interesting topic, I think you explored important aspects that defined eras form mtg edh

I'm so here for longer EDHRecCast episodes, that's rad!

I've loved watching the walls of the multiverse come down. Like, mtg lore literally coincides with reality now. It's insane. As soon as MOM tore the walls down, what started as a trickle became a flood of new content. I haven't been this excited for magic probably since BFZ.

While I dislike the product overflow, I wouldn't mind a - as unlikely as it is - World of Warcraft crossover.

i have not really predictions but hopes , i hope they will print legends and support for unused / less used themes and tribes and maybe controlled breakdown of the reserved list opening up old legendaries creating even more unique and different decks.

Zeriam is my golden boi, it's such a fun deck

This is the first I'm learning of a final fantasy set. I'm so stoked for that, the artifacts and equipments are going to be amazing. I can't wait until we get our one of one black materia that post Malone will hoard in his loot collection.

Zhulodok came with Endless One in the precon. Now, I know, sounds like a bad include, but it's a good card for the secondary commander Omarthis.

When you guys were talking about innitstrad standard, and said perfect storm. I'd say it was the perfect Rooftop Storm? 😂

RE: Typal decks ending up being supplanted by precons- I would argue this is a GOOD thing, not a bad one. Not only does it give a good footing for new and casual players, it also means that that type was probably not well supported in the past. Of course all the UB Fairie decks are going to run the new UB Fairie cards, because there wasn't 20 something Fairies that were good enough to see play to begin with.

49:09 this is what I was reeeally scared of back when Commander 2017 came out. I made my C15 Swell the Host precon into a Snake tribal commander deck with Kaseto, Orochi Archmage at the helm, and C17 was going to be tribal commander decks. I was excited at first for the tribal synergies (and was later able to quickly buy some tribal staples before they spiked in prices), but quickly realized, wait what if they make a snake tribal deck, then I would stand in front of this weird split decision

A way around decking yourself with primal surge is warstorm surge; sequencing triggers

Sorry guys but the “Eras” word instantly makes me think of TS, si here it is: 🎶Back when we where still shuffling for a better hand Draft chaff was enough, for me it was enough To trade basic lands for a rare, duck rule for the head of your deck And say hey do you play EDH, so much for older sets And part mulligan, game wasn’t mine to win Game wasn’t mine to win 🎶

I play warhammer 40K in addition to magic. Dana’s last comment about change is something I hear often in that game. People talk about how the game used to be and some of it comes from people who quit due those changes. The big thing for me is that these hobbies have many different ways for players to engage with them. Do the one that brings you joy. If that is no longer the case it is ok to put it down and to the side for as long as you want, If you want to put it on the secondary market or just into a closet that is fine. It was not a waste the bonds and memories you made have value too.

Your universes beyond section hit me. I get why it works because even though I hate it I’m gonna make an ezio commander deck if it exists lol

I found a pretty cool combo with spell crumple: there is this card called "Tunnel vision", it goes like this: "Name a card. Target player reveals cards from the top of his or her library until the named card is revealed. If it is, that player puts the rest of the revealed cards into his or her graveyard and puts the named card on top of his or her library. Otherwise, the player shuffles his or her library." so what you would do is, you would counter something that is cast right before your turn with spell crumple, doesn't matter that it is so long as it isn't the commander, then put that card on the bottom of their library, then it goes to your turn and you cast tunnel vision, naming that card you just countered, their whole library is gone and they draw the card and you pass the turn and they die. Gavin has admitted, mistakes were made when designing some of these commander sets, like Eminance is a huge mistake. Personally, I think the partner commanders are a mistake too. They should have had "Partner with: " I think each commander deck in 2016 or whenever it was had 2 partner commanders in it is that right? as much as I love Lord Windgrace, he is a mistake. Wizards tried to force planes walkers to matter in commander with these precons and I hate it, at that point they might as well have allowed all planeswalkers to be commanders or just outright ban them as commanders because they weren't creatures and yes, they should have kept the "banned as commander" list. So, I came across something I consider a bug on your EDHREC page. the Average Rat Colony deck only has 1 rat colony in it, why is that? if I go to Marrow-gnawer and look up "average list" it has a tons of rats and only 1 rat colony. That is clearly not how you are supposed to build rat commanders I'm sorry. Werewolves are such a sad creature type. the best commander for werewolves isn't even legendary, so when you play werewolves, you can ask your playgroup if you can please play your special commander instead of Tovolar. Tovolar is ok, don't get me wrong, but "Immerwolf" is so much better, the only restriction is that you have to play Human Werewolves or he doesn't work, luckily there are tons of those.

"The change doesn't care" - Dana Roach 2023

Great episode guys!!!

I’m with Dana on his prediction for the future. The next era of edh will be called “Rotating Commander” where your deck is good for 1-2 years before being reskinned by a new precon or sub theme in a set or whatever.

Hope not to take away from the video too much, but I really don't think it's responsible to advertise gambling services in general. I understand y'all need money to function, and please understand that I am a big fan, just offering my criticism because I feel quite passionate about this

@danaroach29

10 ай бұрын

That's absolutely a fair concern. We agonized over this one a lot. I specifically decided to be the one to do the ad read because I've got a bit of a history with gambling. I'm no high roller, but I paid more than a few debts off in my youth with money I picked up playing blackjack at reputable places, and poker at less reputable ones. I personally don't love the notion of online betting for a ton of reasons, the first being it enables bad habits WAY too easily, and makes them WAY too abstract. That said . . . it's also something I personally have partaken in, and not casually. So while I don't necessarily love it, I simultaneously think if it's something I'm okay with personally then it's odd to draw a line in a sand over it professionally. If you don't agree I completely get it. Just trying to explain that it's not something we or I decided upon without thought.

@egahhd

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the reply, that all makes sense to me. I figured y'all would have put a lot of thought into something like that but still wanted to voice the concern as a viewer. Glad to know it was something that wasn't done carelessly

@Zookmottin

7 ай бұрын

Magic the gathering is based around gambling The entire concept of buying packages of cards that have randomized content is just the first generation of loot boxes

@IzzetTempo

7 ай бұрын

@Zookmottin that’s why folks should buy singles!!

The only concern I have for the game is that in the pursuit of widening consumer base and accessibility we will see wizards emulate the gaming industry. DLC in the form of supplemental sets, dumbing down the content as to not alienate the new consumers and as we've already seen throwaway attitudes to the product because of turnaround demands.

Today you can pretty much spot if a person netdecked or used a search engine for cards. Only people who really know a ton amount of cards in commander know even the fun/jank/alternative cards and often tend to play them because its more fun. :D

I will absolutely be going all in for the UB Final Fantasy products when they come out. I could definitely see it having a huge amount of Legendaries on par with UB Lord of the Rings.

If I deck myself playing primal surge, so be it. I will go out of this world drawing cards, and I can’t think of a better way to go. 😂

@EDHRECast

10 ай бұрын

Fair! 😂

Primal Surge itself is a MAY ability, so there's no issue, if you're drawing too much, you can just choose to stop the cycle.

Great episode, Agree with Joey's point at the end, there is a split coming, its inevitable, just as has happened to other formats in the past. Commander players should welcome it. I feel like an aggressive and semi official ban list to split competitive/casual is the best way to go. A community managed point system could also work now that we are in the age of EDHREC etc.

@carlospadilla7247

9 күн бұрын

Yea well what happens when I'm using powerful cards in very janky ways

Not related to the actual video but everytime they show the omnath shirt im always saddened to see it out of stock, my gruul heart wants it so bad

I think the more feature-loaded commander design is less from an intent to rotate the format and more an attempt to give players what Wizards thinks they want. What player wouldn't want to draw cards or get a copy of all their cards or effect triggers? Such effects are common enough to also sort of feeds into the repetitive design you mentioned, and possibly a result of making so many legends. How do you make something splashy and value filled when you gotta make two dozen such designs a set? Personally I find the old stuff to be just as viable, but I've just been lucky in my playgroups. It does make me sad to know some folks are in environments they feel they need to "keep up" in, when there's no competitive pressure unlike other formats.

I wanted to build a dragons deck, but several of my friends already had either Tiamat or Miirym. Decided to go old school and built Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund. He's mostly there for the haste. The deck is a lot of fun and it can easily keep up with Miirym because they won't play it against the true lord of dragons.

I’ve been playing EDH since 2007. At the time it was a way for me use my boxes of cards I never use. It’s so different now that’s it’s the most popular format. But honestly, it’s so much fun that I don’t care. Standard has become so stale since they stopped having blocks in 2018.

I started too feel like Joey had been quite a bit too long and so the steal was coming. I learned magic before 2016 but Breya was my first deck when receiving the precon as a gift, and the game has evoked like crazy since and been more expensive which makes me sad that I didn’t get to be more a part of the bulk rare area

Im a big fan of canlander and wish more people would have decks for it. Its like cedh but more than 2 strategies are viable

And yet, for three out of five of the 4-color combos, only 1 single commander even exists for each 😔

So I have a question for everyone. How many people you know started to play Magic because of Universes Beyond?

I used to have a kartthus, tyrant of jund primal surge deck that was oops all permanents. However in order to not lose instantly when I cast primal surge I put in a platinum angel which worked very swimmingly in my lower powered pod at the time.

@carlospadilla7247

9 күн бұрын

You can add lichs mastery to that list aswell now

I don’t see a problem with Guardian Project, Garruk’s Uprising etc. with Primal Surge as long as you are including a means to remove those enchantments once you are setup to cast it. I have the same issue with my Marneus Calgar deck, where I don’t want it to be just another Thoracle deck, so I have to keep an eye on cards like Chasm Skulker when my commander is in play, so that I don’t get decked.

@winter945

10 ай бұрын

The issue isn't if those cards are out when you primal surge, it's when you flip into them as you primal surge and they trigger to draw after you resolve the surge, making surge read "lose the game if you can't stop the draw"

@Dragon_Fyre

10 ай бұрын

@@winter945 …and water is wet. Edit: Note, you don’t lose, you just restrict the primal surge.

Alright, Matt. That Challenge steal was clean!

2022: 10,498 new printed cards, gross 15% of total cardpool 30 years of magic. Something to note...

It is still shocking to me that designers AND developers of games do not know how to balance their games. NOT designing Fierce Guardianship, or Golos, or Chulane, or Urza, or Dockside Extortionist, or Hullbreaker seems like no brainer. I still think Olivia's "play whatever cards you want no matter how powerful they are" can be a tricky philosophy to justify. Many people will end up overtuning their decks to make for unfun pod experiences. I would say a single person's experience as a result of card choice should only be part of the plan. Think about your group too and how to make their experience fun.

Still rocking bird/wizard tribal w/ derevi in 2024.

1:02:17 Since food is on theme for Shelob, I am not concerned with the text add. As it builds tribal synergies that aren't otherwise used. More advantages for tribal jank is not bad.

@carlospadilla7247

9 күн бұрын

Especially since spiders really suck as a tribe.

I do not like Universe Beyond. I will not say anything positive about a Universe Beyond product beyond liking a few card designs. I will not play with anything UB, be it D&D, LOTR, Warhammer, etc. But it’s here to stay, so much like the Legend rule, I’m confining my UB Boycott to my side of the battlefield. And I really only have an issue with the mechanically unique alternate IP cards, so if any cards get a Universe Within reprint, which several of them will probably need, I’ll be perfectly fine with those.

I have made a budget Shelob deck and it is quite underwhelming. I believe the issue is that the designers wanted to make a spider tribal commander however there isn’t really any spider support. So they compensated by putting alot of text on the commander which helps but even with Shelob and some spiders on the field i still felt like nothing was happening. It would have been much better if they had 5 or 6 cards dedicated to spider tribal rather then 1 big commander.

the "universes beyond explosion"? perhaps you should call it "the big bang"? ;D

That draft kings read was unexpected 😂😂

A few things. I adore the more niche design precons have as I already used them as toolkits to deckbuild and I always wanted to build a fairy deck so I got the new one and a handful of singles and now I'll have a fairy deck next week I wouldn't have made otherwise due to indisicion. Also baulders gate is not universes beyond.the plane of Fearun shares the same multiverse as the planes of mtg. As magic planes are dnd setting books.

I'm looking forward to Thunder Junction, Fallout, and Final Fantasy, and I'm hoping for a legendary blue-red faerie, red food, white faeries, and green faeries.

I am one of the people and I want to see joey challenge the stats a couple times

That's probably the best stolen segue of Challenge the Stats ever it was so smooth! Nice job Matt! LMAO

Regarding the "this percentage of decks is running that card" issue with Zhulodok and Endless one; I'm not sure how EDHRec gets its data, but this combination is simply in the precon (and your first step should be indeed to remove it). So anyone adding their deck to a source that is scraped for data will result in this card showing up on EDHRec. If enough players do this, you get the frankly rediculous 28% :D Even if I choose an $$$ "as commander" with "eldrazi" as type, it's still 15% instead of 0 decks. Is there a way, or is there a plan for a way, to filter out all "too similar" deck instances of data (or something similar, idk), so that you can funnel down to some more specific cards that have high/fun synergy, but are in fewer decks? I would love such a feature.

I am NOT beating the UB consumer allegations. I have a Drizzt deck (AFR), Volo deck (AFR), Mr House deck (Fallout), Cass, hand of vengeance deck (fallout), additionally all of the fallout precons, a 40k precon, and a LOTR precon. My most anticipated set is the Final Fantasy set and my most bought set was Baldur’s Gate… I am the problem child 😵‍💫

Whatever happened to the weekly streams? I think I missed it if the cast ever said anything about it, do you guys think you’ll ever start it up again?

@danaroach29

10 ай бұрын

Combo of summer scheduling craziness and just needing a break. We’ll be back soon, but prob not weekly just to avoid burnout

@justanotherhuman7106

10 ай бұрын

@@danaroach29 makes sense, definitely take all the time you guys need, we love the content, but we love you guys taking care of yourselves even more

more like your golgari death touch deck won't be able to keep up until they print a golgari death touch precon

When they released the pair of the UG Sea Monsters and WR Equipment deck in the same batch, I was actively sad as I'd built those decks from the ground up to be quite good. Then when I saw the lists, there was an 85% overlap in most relevant cards, so that I had maybe 1-2 cards from those precons that I added into my decks. I did feel substantially less special for having done all the work, then the company having to crap on my prior work. That said, I'm still glad that other people can more easily play such decks.

I would highly interested in playing "pioneer edh" exclusively. Like that I'm sure everyone is on similiar power level

We are currently in the: "The deck builds itself" era. Decklist is basically printed on the commander.

@Boblol126

10 ай бұрын

Or printed entirely within the confines of a handful of subsequent sets

@hanschristopherson8056

10 ай бұрын

Part of that I think is they are trying to give us commanders for niche strategies because that’s what they think people want and niche decks tend to have a much more limited card pool that all need to be in the deck

thoughts and prayers going out to the souls running Zeriam tribal

In the next era, abilities of cards will trigger from your deck and hand without being cast. The 100% Eminence era. No one casts a single spell.

@brendans1983

10 ай бұрын

'When this card etb's reveal any amount of cards from your deck...'

55:50

Will of the council from Conspiracy 2? Where is Rowan of the council?

@GerBessa

10 ай бұрын

Nah, Will and Rowan came from Battlebonds.

Jokes on you Trogdanite, my Muldrotha Primal Surge deck runs Tiagam and underrealm lich

Did y’all stop making twitch content?

Nice!

People did, and some few still do, play multiplayer before EDH was a thing. The game’s designers always had some few cards in mind for those types of games. Going all the way back to Alpha. Not all multiplayer has to be EDH.

That segue steal was SOOOO smooth, that for a split second it put a shroud of kinship over the world and all of it's fear, menace and intimidation just withered away.

I have to disagree about Shelob. I think it’s more a balancing act for having a 6 mana commander. There’s so much acceleration you’re not likely to have this out quickly. By the time you can get her on the board everyone else is already pushing past the mid game. And it is for spiders, which has few noteworthy members. Without the balancing towards more later game stuff it’s just playing the same strong low mana cost spells. As a Shelob player, I wish they made her Ward 3 or less expensive. Removal is cheap and the deck doesn’t do as well without her on board.

Every week the Challenge the stats segway gets stolen earlier, next week Mat will stole the segways for the rest of the year in one comment

I think that we poopoo on commander specifics design alot because of the powercreep but we forget that it gave us so much, card draw in every color, commander for set specific theme and mechanics, underdog commanders for hipster like me to thinker with etc.

as much as white is doing better, they really should be more or less equal to green in enchantresses and have the "enchant lands" style ramp. it lines up with their "less lands than you" theme and the card draw is right there. plus, I haven't seen any green deck use them over the classic land ramp unless it's going enchantress, which splashes white anyway edit: the elegant design philosophy is definitely felt, a lot of creatures would be awesome without one of their lines

Given the wording “whenever AN opponent” for Rhystic Studies, it’s not as if multiplayer MTG wasn’t a regular part of the game long before Commander…

Primal surge has a may on it though

@Dragon_Fyre

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The enchantments referenced do not. So you are forced to significantly limit the primal surge. Instead of getting perhaps 60-75 permanents, you might get 20-25 and have to draw (40-50 cards). It would still be a win-con but where having 60+ permanents is nearly a guaranteed win unless your opponents can board wipe, 20 or so permanents (a 3rd of that being land) while very powerful but may yet prove insufficient with 3 opponents.

Kaldheim as the spike for Legendary Creatures isn’t a fair starting point (and it’s an outlier compared to other sets) because all the MDFC cards from that set were Creature-God on the front and that skews the numbers a bit.