Lou, you perfectly balance a friend telling you a cool story and an authoritive figure explaining a complicated topic. Also the video editing brilliantly matches your style of talking.

@LouisFoglia

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. That's the tone we go for. When I started this show, Casey said it should feel like a conversation with a well-read friend at a bar.

@mdrzn

5 жыл бұрын

That's 100% the feel. Keep up the great work!

@jakegetrost4690

Жыл бұрын

its not that they help the economy either. it depends on the situation. Thats why the US and every other country changes their policies over the years...There was times the US didnt allow anyone in. During a recession or depression having a flood of new immigrants would almost certainly hurt the economy. In the arguments of this video hes talking about any immigrant, not looking at specific times and effects in history up until now in the US and other countries or empires. or looking at specific waves of immigrants. The migrant caravans a few years ago were all young men and low skilled workers thats not the same as nobel prize winners. His argument at the end made zero sense at all. Basically "Who cares if immigrants effect the country badly at first, it will all work out at the end" Like you really think all the people who are poor in the United States NOW want to here that...

Lou I really appreciate that you guys come up with interesting story topics and don't depend on cotton candy celebrity drama to fuel your channel.

@LouisFoglia

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man. Always appreciate your support.

@pawegraczyk6050

5 жыл бұрын

And what is your IQ? 80? :D What they depend is "studies" from some profesor from university, that put ten of thousands of students in debt for rest of their lives. And spends his time to prove that legal immigration is not 100% bad, what at the end is presented as a prove that illegal immigration is also not bad... It is like saying that since there are study that buying stuff is good for economy, stilling stuff should also be as good. I have to tell you US is so strange. You have a such a crazy crap propaganda, identity politics etc. no wander that propaganda from this channel sims to you sth "normal" for low IQ people like you ...

The economic impact you didn't mention was housing costs. Not only do wages go down, through supply increase, the increased demand for housing, especially affordable housing, then increases. So the poorest people, including the migrants themselves, end up worse off from both decreased wages, and increased costs of living.

@karanshah5604

5 жыл бұрын

That encourages immigrants to find newer areas on outskirts of cities and towns or choose rural areas to reside in. This rejuvenates the rural economy or brings new jobs within the outskirts of the city where immigrants live. Newer areas to reside in brings more jobs and benefits to the city's economy. The US per-capita income has been on the rise by 2.25% yearly with GDP growth of 2.30% since 2014. Accounting for inflation of 2-2.9% the income of a normal US citizen has steadily increased over the years even with stricter immigration laws. In the years of early 90s till late 2000 and the GDP of US grew at a more than 3% during which it saw huge intake of immigrant and naturalization of immigrant population as US citizen. The per-capita income rose by a massive 3.30% as compared to today's 2.25% with stricter immigration laws.

@redsquirrel3893

5 жыл бұрын

Housing is definitely an issue same with other existing Infrastructure as well as finite assets like out north sea oil (UK) , farm land , woodland , mines ect there benefit spreads more thinly when talking about citizenship. Also slow to change resources like housing. On wages when theres new people taking one kind of job wages go down in that area and areas like it and up in others from higher demand. Higher income professions bring in more tax money lower spread it more thinly but most legal Immigrants are working age so you miss paying for many years of schooling you would for someone that spent there whole life hear. We also have falling populations as in rich countries having children is expensive and in poor ones its an asset / extra labor. Thats good for the planet but bad for the national pension system and immigration can help balance the numbers.

@Sheeshening

5 жыл бұрын

What you describe has been felt in the UK. Some cities thrive as Brexit gave the power back to the people, driving migrants out. Can't remember where exactly it was, but the Economist reported lower crime, higher wages, better opportunities, lower housing prices, less drain on local budgets. win win win win win oh and Karan, that obv makes no sense. Growth has been slowing down in all of the most developed countries, with the EU's growth basically getting killed by their core value of promotion of immigration.

@karanshah5604

5 жыл бұрын

My example was US specific where legal immigration is encouraged over refugees intake. The refugee crisis of Europe and illegal immigration, which I agree is more of a curse to the economy for short periods of time. UK was already dealing with huge swathes of uncontrolled immigration from the 2000s which went unchecked that has led to brexit and stronger protectionist sentiments. During this protectionist tenure the wages might increase along with lowered housing prices, but over the years it won't be sustainable for the employers to maintain employees with higher wages (for common jobs) which would lead to outsourcing of jobs. With that being said there should be tenures of governments with protectionist policies followed by governments encouraging legal immigration. In the end legal immigration is essential.

@richardshipe4576

5 жыл бұрын

If only cities handled their crappy zoning laws.

Lou does a lot of air quotes. There's a drinking game in there somewhere. On a serious note: thanks for the insights!

@haniabdel

5 жыл бұрын

What are air quotes ?

Giovanni Peri was one of my favorite professor. Go Ags!

@LouisFoglia

5 жыл бұрын

Super nice guy

Hey i was your 1k like!!!!! great job on the insight ur amazing

I think what bothers me the most about this, is that it assumes that the majority of low-skill workers have the means to survive being forced out of the market or forced to look elsewhere. Not everyone is going to be promoted to Foreman or Coordinator. It's one thing to sit in the Ivory Towers and discuss how it is a net-gain for the economy overall, but that means nothing for the poor or working-class individuals who watch as their world and futures shrink around them.

@TheMe26

5 жыл бұрын

Isnt that the free market americans always want and scream for?

@abc76580

5 жыл бұрын

If you can buy goods and services for increasingly lower prices thanks to immigration as a lower class person, that's not exactly nothing. The loss of easy jobs for lower-class people is partly counter-balanced by having a wider range of job opportunities they didn't have on top of it. In the end it isn't much more than 'dey tuk ur jerbz', and if they have grievances with systematic issues, they should take a look at monetary policy and other interventionist policies of the past century that has slowly eroded the Western middle class.

@elsagrace3893

5 жыл бұрын

Welfare needs to be easier to get. Universal Basic Income needs to be proposed and passed by voters so that everyone feels safe to have a place to live and food at the very least.

@jmrdefender510

5 жыл бұрын

Not everyone is going to be promoted, you are correct in saying this. It is also absolutely misguided to say that 100% are going to be forced out and thus compete for these jobs higher up in the ranking.

@mattoberst6397

5 жыл бұрын

If you think immigration is bad in terms of causing unemployment, automation is going to hit hard

Thanks Lou for being here for me! You bring joy to my life. :)

Hey Beme are you going to update your community section on your channel? Great video I send it around to my friends to get them to watch it.

Loved the thorough and nuanced explanation! Killing it Lou and team!

10 construction workers don't turn into 10 foremen. That scenario was stupid.

@spqr1945

5 жыл бұрын

If 10 immigrants come, they need a foreman, and most of the time this a local person.

@armandoc.3150

5 жыл бұрын

No but even if 2 construction workers were to become foreman they create ten more construction workers then maybe 3 of those grow and add 15 instead of ten workers, so on and so forth. The main point is you cant determine who brings jobs and who doesnt because regardless of title it is the individual who decides to either work for a business or create a business. Essentially, either way one looks for jobs and one looks for a way to create jobs. The only difference is one works for one and the other creates for more than one.

Thanks Lou, I've been looking for an explanation for this.

Thanks for the deep dive on this topic. Well done!

I think one important caveat to add here is that it is a common practice of immigrants to America from various countries to send back much of their earnings to their nation of origin. In this case, the American “pie” isn’t increasing in size as much as an immigrant is taking out of it. If we are to advocate for further legal immigration in the US (which, I agree, has an overall positive benefit to our economy), we need to be aware of situations like these that may harm our economy and legislate accordingly.

@buzoff4642

8 ай бұрын

Numbers in wikipedia, on remittances, monies flowing out of countries.

Wow very informative.. Thanks Beme for the education

Thank you for doing this well researched video.

Great vid! Maybe something to add to the discussion would be crime rate differences between foreign and local populations. I know in welfare states such as those in northern Europe is quite a hot topic.

Don't agree with everything, but I really liked the video.

@NoOne-kx2hk

5 жыл бұрын

me too. I dont think the only place I didnt agree was when he rebutted the inequality increase from immigrants a little too easy. Also little details like in 9.07 when he forgot to mention the rest of the sentence may not have been bad intended but... still it did help him close the whole thing by saying "the math in its totality works" which is a little arrogant but still the most sober view I have seen in a while on this subject.

@pumpkinp3528

5 жыл бұрын

It really depends on what type of immigrant and the amount of low skill workers a place possess. Keep in mind, the reason why United States became so powerful is mainly due to the brain drain from the rest of the world through their various ethnic cleansing. Of course, we must not forget our founding fathers that refused to pay taxes to the British. Oh the irony being that United States is a country that taxes you based on citizenship and not work place. Uncle Sam, why must you be worse than the Brits you replaced?

Great video as usual. Lou, may I suggest making a video on degrowth aka décroissance? Seems right up the Beme alley and there isn't much English language info about it on mainstream sites.

@LouisFoglia

5 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna have to look into that - not sure what it is!

@SomeDudeQC

5 жыл бұрын

Louis Foglia Sweet! Basically, it's reducing economic growth to a truly sustainable level. Reducing everything from consumption, to work hours, to travel distance for goods, to programmed obsolescence. It's in a way in opposition to sustainable development, which tries to continue growth through sustainable means, often creating a cycle the degrowth movement claims that wherein things become for energy efficient, we end up using more energy because more goods are created. That being said, it's not looking for people to abandon all modern conveniences and live off the land in some sort of anarchist utopia. Either way, it's the tenth anniversary of their first conference this year. Might be worth checking out 👍

I like Lou's part of beme compared to the other videos.

Please story on Morocco

I love this show, its great. I learn things every episode.

@buzoff4642

8 ай бұрын

It is half truth. Keep reading.

At 8:23 I really want to highlight the fact that Europe gives immigrants benefits, which explains the reason why they want to avoid a rapid increase in mass immigration, as setting up everything that allows the immigrant to work is a lengthy process and takes even longer when there's a flood instead of a consistent stream causing the state to pay even more for the welfare the immigrants receive. This is why many European countries have wanted to limit migration rates (while others - especially the less wealthy and therefore likely more vulnerable countries - tried stopping it via setting up barbed wire fences). With that said, I want to mention that I'm not against immigrants whatsoever - I just understand the reason why countries like Austria want to limit migration.

@abc76580

5 жыл бұрын

The problem isn't the immigrants, but the shitty left-wing economic institutions of Europe.

@dropmelon

5 жыл бұрын

Daniel Sadjadi It depends on the economy of the country. What is considered a flood of migrants in a wealthy countries in the EU doesn't necessarily means the same for poorer countries in the EU. Some countries can afford it but some can't. So saying a blanket statement like there is no flood of immigrants in the EU can be right and wrong at the same time. Not only that, a lot of the western European countries just say they wanted to help each other but they really just want to push all the migrant problems to the border countries. This is also why Italy closed their border. Italy asked EU to help them but got ignored. Allowing migrants to enter will only increase their national debt by that point.

@elsagrace3893

5 жыл бұрын

remilia scarlet well yeah, Italians have a hard time getting ahead working in Italy. I think a big problem is that people worldwide expect to “get ahead” financially. They think it’s a right.

@motionxt

5 жыл бұрын

While I agree with you that migration isn't too intense in Europe overall, I would like to highlight that most migrants/refugees end up living in the city, causing most of the people living in the city to feel a noticeable increase in migrants/refugees living in Austria. In my daily commute using public transport, about 10-15% of people are ethnically middle eastern or African, with most of them fortunately either speaking English or German well enough to communicate if needed. Now, on to the "flood" that you claimed doesn't exist (Statistics from the Austrian Ministry of the Interior (www.bmi.gv.at/301/Statistiken/start.aspx#jahr)): Between January and October of 2014 Austria (where I'm from) received 70000 Asylum Applications, only 20000 of which were actually from countries like Syria where there is currently a war going on. Between 1999 and 2013 the mean of yearly asylum applicants was about 20000 (in 2013 there were 17500 applicants). In 2014 this number this number increased by 60% to 28000, with there being a +~140% increase in applicants on average starting from September 2014. In 2015 this number increased again (by +215%) to 88000, with the increases being especially noticeable towards the end of the year. In 2016 the number decreased to 42000, which is still more than double compared to what the rate was like in 2013. In 2017 it decreased again, down to 28000, which again is still more than they were set up for. As most of the Asylum Seekers receive financial payments and aren't allowed to work initially, they're costing the state a lot of money and in most cases, the sheer amount of money asylum seekers consume is a financial burden on the economy. The problem often is that the amount of these recent migrants has been overwhelming the system because they haven't been evenly distributed in the European Union (Statistics from Eurostat for 2017 as a reference - *Data is for first-time asylum applicants in 2017* (ec.europa.eu/eurostat/news/themes-in-the-spotlight/asylum2017)): European Total: 649000 Applications, equaled 1270 applicants per million inhabitants on average. Austria: 22000 Applicants, *2500 per Million* (3.4% of total) Germany: 198000 Applicants, *2400 per Million* (30.5% of total) Sweden: 22000 Applicants, *2220 per Million* (3.4% of total) Italy: 126000 Applicants, *2100 per Million* (19.5% of total) France: 91000 Applicants, *1360 per Million* (14% of total) Denmark: 3125 Applicants, *544 per Million* (0.5% of total) UK: 33310 Applicants, *506 per Million* (5.1% of total) Hungary: 3115 Applicants, *318 per Million* (0.5% of total) Estonia: 180 Applicants, *138 per Million* (0.03% of total) Czech Republic: 1140 Applicants, *108 per Million* (0.2% of total) Slovakia: 150 Applicants, *27 per Million* (0.02% of total) There is also a really noticeable gender imbalance: 2013: 71% male 2014: 75% male 2015: 72% male 2016: 67% male 2017: 60% male The crime argument also doesn't invalidate my original argument, as in the context of the refugee crisis, a disproportionate amount of these new migrants commit sexual crimes, mainly perpetrated by violent illegal migrants from countries like Afghanistan or Morocco that abused the already overwhelmed system and tried mixing in with the other refugees to illegally get into Europe, which is why at least in my opinion *most of the perpetrators not being real refugees*. To finish off, I'll just say that I'm all for refugees temporarily or permanently (if they can improve our society) living in European countries, but I find it a bit ridiculous that people looking in from the outside say that Austria is somehow acting immorally for wanting to limit the rate of new migrants entering its borders and checking the GPS timeline of people claiming to be syrian refugees. I hope this has cleared up the reason as to why I have this opinion. Have a nice day :) (PS: I've spent far too much time on writing this ^^)

@Sheeshening

5 жыл бұрын

Daniel Sadjadi Those are blatant lies and you know it. In about the last 3 years alone Germany has gotten about 2 million refugees, that alone would make more than 2% of the population. Dresden, the city where the unrests were after a father got stabbed by an afghani after he tried to protect a girl from being molested, has seen an increase from 3.9% in 2005 to an estimated 20% migrants today. There is very solid reason for concern when in Frankfurt 75% of children below are African/Arabic, with low chances of ever attaining proficiency in the German language as they're not compelled to learn, but almost guaranteed to stay. Crime has been going up across the board, especially vicious ones like rape, armed robbery and murder. Just ask some German about "Colognes Silvester", new years eve a few years ago, where there were *dozens* of rapes in public spaces, exclusively perpetrated by refugees. What do they get here you may ask? Housing, clothing, food, healthcare and a few education options for free plus at least 125€ pocket money. It is estimated that this will cost the country about 400 billions euros in the next years, as many are projected to live on public money till the day they die. Meanwhile the budget for our elderly is drained, making senile people, who payed their whole lives into a government mandated system, fishing in garbage bins for plastic bottles they can return for 25 cents, a common sight.

Is there a difference in the effect of legal vs illegal immigrants, or is it all the same?

Great perspective

This channel is seriously underrated.

Top stuff! You guys deserve more viewers

I love it when you wisper sweet nothings into my ears

Keep up the videos great info !

I like how you put “it’s Lou “ in the thumbnail so more people will see the video

No videos at the end 😪

Heyy! It's Lou and here's a thing

There's so much juicy editing in here. how do you get these out so fast!

great video!

Wow, i want Lou to be my tutor, lecturer and hell even write my Assignments and reports!!!

Hey Lou good to see you making shit happen and keeping the content intellectual and interesting.

west germany, is this a re-up from pre 1989?

i have spent and waste too much time. for finding the news...... ,,thanks so much ,,, provide le lien so lisible, easier to understand

Very good video very truthful

Well researched!

Thanks Lou,This opened my eyes to Immigration and what it is

Great Video!

You guys need to advertise these videos!! They are too good. The Sub Growth could be so much better!!!

We need immigrants in Minneapolis, so many essential jobs like school bus drivers and other service jobs are unfilled and are needed. We have the economy to take in people who need it.

@cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124

5 жыл бұрын

It's too cold up there 😂❄

@topman8565

4 жыл бұрын

@@marioferreira7605 your using immigration to fix a problem caused by emigration

@buzoff4642

8 ай бұрын

@@topman8565 "shortage", aka "we refuse to compete for workers".

Great and simple explanation!

@buzoff4642

8 ай бұрын

And incomplete.

Love your videos!

Man I wish this Channel would grow faster

Amazing video!

Problem with immigrants is sometimes they come to live and make a better life and sometimes they come to make enough money just to send home. The latter does very little for America and it keeps wages low. Nobody thinks about the motivation of immigrants, not all immigrants want to live in America forever and it's not feasible or smart. A dollar in most countries is good money, so how hard would a immigrant work to make a dollar so he can send it home to help his family and how much pain would he endure from starving and living in bad conditions so he could change the life of his family. Those are noble goals but America is a consumer run economy, by sending money to Mexico he doesn't invest into America, he doesn't buy the basic things that make living comfortable like nice furniture, cars, clothes and he doesn't use his extra money to go to nice restaurants. Basically he doesn't consume like a regular person and that causes problems

Lou . Please . Story on Morocco. WE NEED IT

@LouisFoglia

5 жыл бұрын

Is there an article you can point me to that sums up the main issues?? Dm on Twitter with any info. @loufoglia

I can tell you for a fact that in my little town in the North of England, they purposely won't hire locals. Also the whole "They spend while they are here, so they contribute to society" is not exactly true. They spend the bare minimum. Their objective is always to make money and then bring it back to their native country where it is worth a lot more. Also, they money they do spend here they spend in "European shops" that have Polish and Romanian foods. Also the shops are owned by other immigrants. So you get a system where employers pay immigrants, who then spend their money in shops that pay more immigrants and buy products that have paid their tax in another EU state, but not the UK, and they all take their money back with them. So my actual country see's almost none of it, apart from the 20% they take out of their pay slips.

@noeswantra2295

5 жыл бұрын

That is true because the community "segregates" itself from them. Imagine when your supermarkets actually also sell the items from their home country with a lower price (because supermarkets hv the bargaining power and such shops dont), landlords dont discriminate against certain nationality groups and so on - the immigrants will then integrate themselves because like you said, theyll find the cheapest alternative...

Great information. You should be president. Love the depth of the research and explanations. Thanks

i like the logo, it's like my drawing

Well here in the Netherlands refugees come, get free housing, welfare, then they tell the rest of their family how easily they got free money and housing. Then the rest of the family is coming over doing the same thing. The job market is pretty good here. But the housing market is very bad! This is also because the government subsidizes the housing market which brings up rent. Most new build appartments and houses are bought by investors which rent it out for double the cost of the mortgage!!

A lot of the benefits pointed at are akin to standing in a pale and trying to lift yourself by the handle.

Can you guys do a video about what is happening in the Philippines and its current political scene please. The news here is doubtful at best and a lot of messy shit is goin on and i want people to know about it.

Immigration just needs to be fixed and managed correctly, not abolished. H1B and F1 visa abuse is rampant in the tech field.

@buzoff4642

8 ай бұрын

US gives 2M green cards a year. I'd say that's enough. We need to do away with the "temporary" visa BS.

Immigrants should be allowed in to fill in the job market not replace people.

It's that a Malaysia flag behind him? 🇲🇾

Also maybe in the US you cant complain about demographic replacement but in Europe we can legitimately complain that we dont want our ethnicity to be replaced by large scale immigration. We want to continue to exist.

"I'm going to go live my life"

Do you have a Patreon account? I’d like to donate.

Supply and demand in action baby

You make fair points in this video but if a country is already overpopulated immigration can have a negative effect. Luckily the U.S has massive amount of land and enough place for people to live.

Economically there are benefits but economics isn't everything when considering immigration

@samwelguy

5 жыл бұрын

@Daniel Sadjadi no it isn't beneficial socially

@squeakydeedsdonesoapclean3719

5 жыл бұрын

The only reason why it wouldn't be socially beneficial is if natives are xenophobic and make immigrants outcasts and fearmonger the nation to be afraid of immigrants.

this channel just reminds me everyone is wrong about everything and theres nothing we can do about it

Closed boarders are beneficial for every country

Well done BEME.

Enjoyed the video as always Lou!! This video probably should be 2 parts... Economics of Immigration = fine and dandy, Economics of Illegal Immigration/Mass Migration = Trump is our president. Cheers Lou...

I like his insight on the money factor. However, its more than just money that matters. Not against immigration but noone should be for illigal immigration. Its not a one sided issue.

The only issue is that those immigrants that are coming in and helping the economy takes time. Those immigrants have to find homes, jobs, save up, and start businesses and that takes time. While those who can take up low skill jobs for minimum wage can take jobs extremely quickly.

mmmmmm. a lot to think about here.

What about the money that is funneled out by migrants and sent back to their countries? There are countries like Phillipines or Pakistan which a big part of gdp comes from money sent back by people who migrated

It didn’t seam like a neutral study both sides weren’t adequately represented. The problems brought up in the beginning of the video weren’t addressed in the video.

@More_Row

5 жыл бұрын

00sevensargent Ah, I got my hopes up in the beginning for more on that point of view.

@ChilangoDios333

5 жыл бұрын

yeah I know these are basic points that an essay and papers are graded from high school

@Infinitexz

5 жыл бұрын

He did. You just weren't listening or aren't versed with economic literature. 1st, immigrants can't steal jobs. The labor market is dynamic not fixed and a new equilibrium is always being formed. This is evident by the whole immigrants create demand for goods and services and supply reacts. In the short-term, immigrants may impact native born lower educated workers but in the longer term, those individuals will invest in human capital and move up the ladder to jobs. The ones then hurt are previous low-skill immigrants. That is to say, that in the longer term, immigrants are competing against each other.

@ChilangoDios333

5 жыл бұрын

@@apoc4223 your probably right man its a very difficult subject when talking about ethics and politics there are no single right answers

If only people look at the math. This is really a 3-way fight where 2 can only win. Immigrant vs. Native vs. Employer. Guess who's always on the winning side?

@ilmakeyoufamous

5 жыл бұрын

Isn't this "partial equilibrium"?. It's easy to limit your scope and come up with a conclusion. But think about this: What happens when the Employer wins? I assume you mean he earns a higher profit. Where do these profits go? They go right back into the economy. He hires more workers (helps natives), spends more (helps local businesses), or saves up at a local bank which makes it easier for others to get a loan. Like in chess, when you think about the economy in one or two steps, you will inevitably lose. Think of the broader consequences, always think a few moves ahead.

@mystirboy

5 жыл бұрын

That's the "math" I meant, in the long run everyone will benefit. But in the short term of things, as the news said it's probably going to be the low level native that's gonna be affected the most. Long term solutions such as "well get them new jobs' or "promote them" isn't that "Yipee! everyone wins!" thing. For one let's say in construction, 10 lowest position natives get displaced by 10 immigrants. Solution "then promote them". Well the employer says "we only have 2 vacancies for higher level jobs". What happens to the 8? How sure are we that they'll be able to find another job? "But what about newer businesses sprouting or local businesses expanding?" Well sure, but how long? 1 month? 2 months? 8 months? By that time then, do you think these displaced natives have money to put food in their table for 1 month? What about the loans they already took? "Giving back to the economy". You seriously think employer spending will directly help the low end workers? I mean sure on paper it'll look good. But we do have a saying "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer". "Easier loans". This is the low end workers of the spectrum. I doubt they'll easily be able to find loans thanks to the "credit score" system. It's nice to think of the broader consequences. But make sure in your first two steps, you don't slip off a banana peel. The biggest problem when looking at things like these is that the "social aspect" can never be accurately measured. And going for the "big picture" while not caring about the here and now, just comes off as greedy and merciless. Helping local businesses to what degree? Is it enough to warrant expansion and create news jobs? Does the new jobs match with the skills of the displaced natives? This really is just a wealth redistribution program. Natives lose salaries. Immigrants are underpaid. The employers? Sure they'll buy a new Lamborghini, probably a new iPhone, etc. I hope the construction of the Lamborghini and iPhones creates jobs for the displaced natives. Oh wait, they're made overseas.

@MrEdd215

5 жыл бұрын

@@mystirboy commenting for later.

Do Americans typically call themselves "native Americans", as Lou does?

Software engineering is one of the jobs with the highest number of immigrants. I've yet to meet a software engineer who is against immigration. The benefits are obvious to those who are actually affected by immigration.

@buzoff4642

8 ай бұрын

Millions of software engineers are against it. They've been laid off and shut out of many Tech companies, after being made to train their replacements. Stand outside of Cisco, Walmart, IBM, Microsoft, Disney, etc. when work gets out.

Trust me, employers will cry they're not making enough even when they have robots. They want slaves. Sit down, shut up, consume, and behave.

It's ironic that the group of people that like to denigrate others for wanting instant gratification are consistently the ones that want policies that provide short term gratification but long term detriments.

What about the economics of illegal immigration?

Immigration is the scapegoat for the failure of neo-liberal economics. Globalized trade could have been shared more equitably with everyone. But since the 1980s, with Reagan and Thatcher ushered in neo-Liberal (trickle down) economics, the lions share of gains have gone to the 1%. In the 1950s, 60s and 70s it was entirely possible for a single working parent to earn enough to buy a house and raise 4-5 kids and pay for their college. Today its common for dual-income households to barely scrape by. Labour was devalued with attacks on unions. Massive tax cuts went to capital owners. When worsening conditions became obvious the elites manufacture the immigrant crisis. Post-WW2 migration was orders of magnitude larger than today's Syrian refugee crisis yet the response couldn't be more different. Automation will disrupt the economy far worse than immigration. It's like millions of compliant slaves suddenly showing up on the labour market. Owners will use automation as an excuse to force wages into the basement. It doesn't need to be like this. China shows how gains from globalization and automation can be reinvested into infrastructure. In 30 years they've lifted 700 million out of anject poverty. 25,000km of high speed railway build in under a decade, 60% of the world's total, with an eye to build a total of 120,000km. The Chinese economy is in danger of being too efficient giving them the option of enacting a Marshall Plan on Central Asia and Africa. So while Europe and America actively pillage the Middle East and Africa, China builds up future trading partners. Some would cry "debt trap" as though Chinese investment in foreign infrastructure is worse than the IMF's economic colonialism. The proof will be in Africa, the global poor man, where centuries of European colonialism brought nothing but suffering where Chinese investment will deliver Africa to European living standards in 10-15 years.

Or they just go create a freak'n economy in their own countries. Won't have to deal with all the shit in the short turn and in the long turn you get a better trading partner...

What about crime increase caused by immigration? Especially from the third world countries.

Your vidoes aren't getting to my subbox or notifications wtf

Is it moral for the rich countries to hoover the brightest minds from poorer countries? Who will lead the change in the developing countries when all their Inteligencia moves to Europe or the US?

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You still never addressed the claim that more people competing for low wage jobs drives down the wage they can demand.

automation and outsourcing are the real job killers.

Why does no one differentiate between immigrants and illegal immigrants? I am an immigrant, but I came to the U.S. legally with my parents. We have contributed economically and in education, but what do illegal immigrants contribute? Mostly cheap labor that lines the pockets of business owners. There is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants. Talk about that!

Skilled or wealthy immigration is good, low skilled immigration and refugees are bad in western societies. Wherever free movement of people without net migration is possible it is good. The problem with low skilled immigration is that despite overall economic effects, they put downward pressure on the value of low skilled labor - the economic floor of out society. This is a problem in societies with welfare states and ideas about social justice.

So addictive. I'm happy that you guys tossed away that clown Casey Nicetat.

In Portugal 25% of the immigrants are unemployed living on social security benefits and 20% of the prison population are immigrants. This figures do not include immigrants that have been in Portugal for 5 years because they are entitled and get Portuguese nationality . In this studies they never take into account that immigrants and their families benefit from education , health services and for all the existing infrastructure that they never payed for. Their grand children will still be paying for what they have used , how can someone say that they are paying for the locals ? On the taxes payed by the natives , the all system and infrastructure took tens of generations to be built but immigrants come and the taxes that their offspring pay are already enough to pay for them and the natives ? A farmer grows the wheat , mills the flour , milks the cow , gets his own eggs and apples , bakes a pie , someone comes and seats at his table , gets half of the pie and shares it with his relatives . The great beneficiary it his the farmer because he gets half of his own pie all for himself ? I am a 53 years old Portuguese emigrant , I was never good at maths and ageing is not helping me at all !

The biggest problem is how many benefits the US gives to non citizens. It attracts people who can't live off their own wealth and puts the cost on the taxpayer.

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He didn't cover that. Nor those citizens who end up on unemployment when replaced. Nor the proliferation of ESL classes at the schools. Nor the discriminatory shut out of citizenry from so much as applying for open positions at H1B shops. There's a whole lot this video didn't disclose.

While I appreciate the point of the video, I disagree that natives in first world countries regard themselves above menial work like janitorial or agricultural work. Nobody (even immigrants) wants these jobs, but many immigrants take them because they are desperate. This isn’t a good thing. Maybe if nobody took these jobs, maybe employers would be forced to pay a fair wage. The idea that allowing immigrants in to be exploited is a good idea is short sighted in my opinion.

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The foreign students shouldn't count as immigrants as they have little effect on the job market, and that is where the issue lies.

It's like a naive utilitarianism: what nets the most positive is good, but only when I don't have to sacrifice something.

Buuuuut crimes and other culture differences is also a big factor especially here in malmo sweden

The economic cost of illegal immigrants yearly is $135 billion. The 11 million illegals=$135 billion. For example, Texas has had to close 15 rural hospitals due to influx of IllegAls getting free medical.

Doctors!