New episode is here!! Who do YOU think played 🥁? Paul, Ringo...or both? Let me know in the comments!

@elirosen1391

2 жыл бұрын

To reiterate what I said earlier, based on the evidence you have presented here, the idea of Ringo playing the drums on "Dear Prudence" is ostensibly illogical. It doesn't seem right that neither the Beatles nor EMI crew would have mentioned his involvement on it if he had contributed to it after he had nearly called it quits.

@joemartin35541

2 жыл бұрын

Hey I love your videos and I think personally it’s Paul could you ever look into doing a video on Blue Jay Way such a good trippy one from George

@TheNewSoda

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I thought Ringo was on the background vocals

@damianmoon

2 жыл бұрын

As a drummer for 12 years, I'm 99% sure that's Ringo playing. The feeling and fills used in the ending of the song are his signature. Paul is a great drummer, but no way he could play it that way.

@jasonnewman4152

2 жыл бұрын

It's not out of Paul's range, listen to Kreen Akore (from McCartney), but regardless os who played it, it is an absolutely amazing song.

Why doesn't someone simply ask Ringo and Paul about this to find out (while they still can)?

@kinsarangel5267

Жыл бұрын

Great idea.

@lauraval4757

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was wondering!

@crystalbelle2349

Жыл бұрын

Being a person born in 1961, of these men remember I’d almost bet they both remember it differently LoL. I agree that would be a great conversation.

@kpk124

Жыл бұрын

I asked Paul when he did an ask me anything on Twitter during early pandemic or so. No dice

@cameronthomas826

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Another thing, Im not sure why no one has attempted to get Ringo and Paul to sit and chat for an hour or so. Now i speculate they have some sort of aversion to each other which only makes sense being the biggest band in history and the way things were ended and all but im sure they could put that aside and understand a sit down with them would be bigger than whatever differences they have. I dont know if any attempt has been made for something like that but it would be a killer Dateline or 60 Minutes special probably go down as one of the greatest television moments ever. Times running out for an event like this…

As a drummer myself, it has always sounded like Ringo playing during the end section, especially the very last fill LRRLRRL which Ringo often used and McCartney never used. However, McCartney probably could have pulled it off with numerous takes.

@seralouise.

2 жыл бұрын

i think he couldve pulled it off just fine. hes a perfectly fine drummer who knew his friend and his style very well. it mightve taken practice but its not like a ludicrously hard part or anything

@jethrox827

2 жыл бұрын

Just sounds like a variation of the Purdie shuffle to me, Billy probably got the shits with Ringo being a bitch and just pulled Bernard in for a quick single take, no big deal lol

@BigSky1

2 жыл бұрын

@@seralouise. I thought i was responding to someone else and not you. Damn KZread. I will delete my comment to you and put it where it should be. Sorry.

@BigSky1

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t you mean could have pulled it off and not couldn’t?.

@BigSky1

2 жыл бұрын

@@seralouise. I was trying to reply to the person at the top and not you. They have contradicted themselves.

Those fills definitely feel like Ringo. His drumming style is often described as “shuffling” and he himself described it as “like falling down the stairs”. That being said, Paul is a gifted mimic and a decent drummer. The question is, is/was he good enough to imitate Ringo’s style that well? I’m not sure!

@feliscatos4435

Жыл бұрын

The sound of the snare drum changes. You can hear the ringing when the stick catches the rim and the head when the drum is tuned for it and there is no muffling on the head.

@streamofconsciousness5826

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he could imitate the feel, but not the confidence, those drums are hit with confidence, a bit of "SEE!!" and some territorial swagger.

@proteus244

Жыл бұрын

It's Ringo. The unique style and the snare hits behind the beat leave no doubt. There is no song where McCartney plays drums that sounds like that. As Ringo pointed out, Paul is a good, but limited, drummer.

@stevenflack2763

Жыл бұрын

Yer right ... Paul is a decent drummer ... but in no can anyone in the whole wide world that can, as you say, can imitate Ringo's style of , as Ringo himself says, "falling down the stairs" ...spot on

@johnmcminn9455

Жыл бұрын

@@proteus244 Band on the Run, tho

While My Guitar Gently Weeps is my favourite song, ever. I'm 70, I remember when it was released. I was working in a cafe with a jukebox, I think I wore the record out.

@angelotro

23 күн бұрын

My wife used to critique my lack of yardwork, one time singing "While My Mower Gently Weeps".😒

Ringo, absolutely. Every drummer has a certain way that he addresses the drums, even if they play the same exact notes. As a drummer I I hear Ringo in the more complex part.

@michaelbarat3212

Жыл бұрын

That's good enough for me.

@kevinwilliams1602

Жыл бұрын

I agree, just, as in my post above, it could be from earlier recordings dubbed in

@_Dalton_

Жыл бұрын

As a drummer it just sounds like he just flipped the switch on the snare strainer to me. As a recording musician the drums you can hear bleeding through don’t contribute anything as evidence as laying down a simple beat just to play on before re-recording a better wrote groove later down the line at the start of a recording is pretty common. I’ve known plenty of people that can’t play to a metronome while recording, so had to resort to using a simple drum track

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Since Ringo wasn't there and there is ABSOLUTELY no documented drum overdub anywhere and NOBODY from the Beatles EVER claimed this for Ringo that is highly unlikely. And WHY would he even go there and overdub this certain part??!! Absolutely no logical or musical or technical reason for it. Furthermore, that ending is in fact quite messy and rhythmically all over the place. Ringo would have been much more precise. It totally sounds like what Paul did on "Keen Akrore", it's just him fooling around trying to come up with an interesting drum part. It sounds more complex as it is because there are indeed two drum tracks - both played by PAUL.

@abneryokum

Жыл бұрын

@@gutgolf74 Your use of all caps has convinced me that you must be correct.

Paul’s drumming is unmistakable in the ‘Ballad of John & Yoko’. That’s the way Paul drums. In my opinion, Ringo definitely dubbed the drum fills on ‘Dear Prudence’. Those fills are something I never heard from Paul. 🥁

@jasperhalsey8574

2 жыл бұрын

@@healthywaves4706 Good point. You cant fake experience and the second bit was definitely played by an experienced drummer

@2ridiculous41

2 жыл бұрын

With you there. While Paul is a perfectly good drummer, the style at the end is completely different and fits Ringo perfectly.

@85geoffm

2 жыл бұрын

@@healthywaves4706 true, but this is something Paul would have understood as well. Given the uncertainty as to whether Ringo would return to the band at all, Paul could have come to this same realization and adapted a more Ringo-esque style so as not to have to explain to fans that Ringo was no longer in The Beatles while recording a new album, which was the most ambitious and experimental album of their career. It certainly does sound like Ringo, though. Occam's razor may apply, but Paul was good enough to sound like Ringo.

@Lorddavud

2 жыл бұрын

@@85geoffm I suppose that Paul is the featured drummer in the earlier portions, and then Ringo over-dubbed in the later portions, possibly as a way of the boys making up for pissing him off and driving him away. This is the first time I'm hearing of this though. Has anybody asked either Paul, or Ringo, what's what?

@85geoffm

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lorddavud well, the problem there is that Paul has misremembered things in past interviews. Hard to blame him though. He's forgotten more than I could even remember.

It doesn't matter who plays what. The switch in style of drumming is one of the many things that makes the song great!

@javierfueyo6871

4 ай бұрын

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@shaft9000

2 ай бұрын

Agreed; it's not interesting or anything to 'un-hear'. If Ringo didn't play in the session... well, so what?

I think it's fairly well documented that Ringo's return occurred in early September at Abbey Rd, when George had arranged for Mal Evans to deck out Ringo's drum kit with flowers. Mark Lewisohn's Recording Sessions book documents this as taking place on 5 September, the day after Ringo had in fact rejoined for the shooting of the Hey Jude / Revolution promo clips at Twickenham (out of interest, this was also the same day the Beatles 'liberated' the EMI 8-track machine from Francis Thompson's office...). While Dear Prudence, by all apparent evidence, was wrapped at Trident the week before, I always had it in my head that it would have been an apt gesture for the Beatles to have Ringo overdub a drum part onto Dear Prudence to pump up his tyres and emphasise his worth to the band. There's no evidence of this of course, and the Beatles history is ridiculously well recorded in intricate detail... However, you just never know. For example, with the release of Get Back last year, it has become apparent that the Beatles had almost certainly engaged in additional Let it Be recording sessions at some point in February 1969 - sessions for which there is no documented evidence.

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Whatever you've got "in your head" and feel to be "apt" - as you also admit, there's absolutely no evidence of this. End of story. It's pure fan-fiction. All Paul, no Ringo, no mystery.

@allenjones3130

Жыл бұрын

Actually that tape machine that the Beatles appropriated was made by 3M, not EMI.

@tomjoad9447

Жыл бұрын

The latter half drums sound like Ringo ...it's brilliant as are the guitar parts...George's leads are cosmic psychedelic and even bluesy

@saucyjk6453

Жыл бұрын

why doesnt someone ask Ringo for fucks sake. lol

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

@@saucyjk6453 Its unlikely anyone would remember details like that, even a few years later. it certainly could have been Ringo. There is no 100% evidence of what overdubs they did or didn't do.

Paul really was a jack of all trades. Not as good a drummer as Ringo, but pretty damn good by most standards. Great drummer, great guitar player, fantastic pianist, and one of the best bass players and singers ever.

@emanuelmota7217

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention one of the greatest musical composers in rock \ pop music history.

@boxsterman77

2 жыл бұрын

And one of the most versatile tenors of all.

@mikaelsjoberg1894

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like i've would have written that comment myself!

@adamdavidsoddities8573

2 жыл бұрын

Still is. I just saw him in concert a few weeks ago, granted he didn't play drums. He did play a few other instrument though.

@InstantKaarma

2 жыл бұрын

Great in everything, very basic in drumming

the "new snare drum" could literally just be a tea towel (which they often used as dampening) accidentally falling off the snare and allowing it to ring out

@leowatley

2 жыл бұрын

or the mics were moved/changed. it could also have been a different eq setup. getting overdubs to match perfectly back then would have been much more difficult ti nail.

@lisag18

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

@peteskyrunner4845

2 жыл бұрын

If the tea towel had 'accidentally' fallen off surely they'd have stopped and put it back on again. It's not like it was a live performance. I guess they could have deliberately taken it off if they'd decided they wanted the sound to change.

@mmjahink

2 жыл бұрын

@@peteskyrunner4845 Certainly a valid theory. The Beatles by this point in their recording career would allow for random things like that to exist and help develop the track they were working on.

@AlIguana

Жыл бұрын

yeahbut... the Beatles were into multiple takes and overdubs, if the sound wasn't deliberate (or a happy accident) then they wouldn't have left it in

The drums at the end have the leading left-hand rolls from right-to-left which are Ringo's trademark, as he can't roll around the kit from the other side. All of Paul's examples such as Back in the USSR have the left to right rolls (snare, high tom, floor tom). Both Paul and Ringo (on the outro) are on the track.

@cgall4444

10 ай бұрын

Anyone that spent their youth listening to the Beatles know it’s Ringo.

@gutgolf74

10 ай бұрын

@@cgall4444 LOL, only it's impossible to be him. He wasn't there when they recorded it, and Ken Scott confirmed they didn't do later overdubs.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

Quite right. Ken Scott never ruled out that they did overdubs, nor ruled out that it was only Paul drumming. They frequently overdubbed and its quite likely John would consider a passage by Ringo to be better for that song. As literally dozens of experienced drummers have observed on this thread alone, the style does not fit Paul at all.

@gutgolf74

10 ай бұрын

@@mikem9001 Every single of your statements is false, and there is nothing you can do.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 Single what? Everything I have written is correct, and you know it.

I have always found the way the guitars build up in complexity and volume throughout the song so thrilling to listen to that I never noticed the change in the drumming. Even after watching this I can't stop focusing on the guitars.

@marcusphelan57

Жыл бұрын

Yes they're brilliant.

@marcusphelan57

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3Zpk6ycmMjddMo.html

NOWHERE in Paul's entire drumming catalogue are there back-to-back tumbling fills like those heard in Dear Prudence. Yes, including My Dark Hour. (edited for spelling.)

@listenup7284

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm amazed ghost notes.

I once was in a electronic devices showroom. They played, Dear Prudence, on Bose speakers. I thought that the Beatles were in the next room playing live. I had heard this song but to me it was just another Hit musical piece from the Beatles. Now I was completely hooked on this classic masterpiece. Sometimes you need to hear on a real good sound system and know the worth.

@andrewarthurmatthews6685

Жыл бұрын

For me it’s nothing to do with the audio quality and everything to do with drumming style. I M O this has Ringo’s hands all over it

Dear Prudence is proof of Lennon’s genius. It wasn’t a single or a top 40 hit but it is brilliant and moving. I also enjoyed his beautiful tribute song to his mother Julia. He was a great artist.

@davidcarter5038

5 ай бұрын

Agreed, but it's interesting that the cover by Siouxsie and the Banshees reached #3 in the UK singles chart.

@garethde-witt6433

5 ай бұрын

John was a crap singer

@P.Galore

4 ай бұрын

The Beatles considered singles different and in addition to an album....

@s.w.3604

4 ай бұрын

You must be a Bieber fan? Lol.@@garethde-witt6433

@PC4USE1

Ай бұрын

@@garethde-witt6433 OMG to have that 'crap' voice would be a blessing to any singer. Not as versatile as Paul but a fantastic singer.

One of my all time favourite Beatles songs. Just perfect.

Another thing I heard about the sound change of the snare drum near the end may have been due to the tea towel on it falling off, but your theory is also an interesting take on it

@YouCantUnhearThis

2 жыл бұрын

Good point! I hadn’t considered that, but it’s certainly a possible explanation for the change in sound.

@SamHarrisonMusic

2 жыл бұрын

exactly my thinking!

@elirosen1391

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe Paul decided to take it off midway into the song. Regardless, how do you account for the fact that the drums leaking into the vocal track are different from the released version?

@SamHarrisonMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@elirosen1391 There's definitely a punch in when the fill drums come in - I'm 100% certain about that. It's the mid way change between ringing snare and tea towel snare that could have been accidental :)

@TheHSIHP

2 жыл бұрын

Especially because the "new"snare sounds is ringy.

I like to think that the Beatles found Dear Prudence to be incomplete without Ringo, and when he came back, He put his mark on this (of many) Beatles masterpiece.

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Since Ringo wasn't there and there is ABSOLUTELY no documented drum overdub anywhere and NOBODY from the Beatles EVER claimed this for Ringo that is highly unlikely. And WHY would he even go there and overdub this certain part??!! Absolutely no logical or musical or technical reason for it. Furthermore, that ending is in fact quite messy and rhythmically all over the place. Ringo would have been much more precise. It totally sounds like what Paul did on "Kreen Akrore", it's just him fooling around trying to come up with an interesting drum part. It sounds more complex as it is because there are indeed two drum tracks - both played by PAUL.

@bobsquires4521

Жыл бұрын

@@gutgolf74 ya? no documentation except the recording.

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

@@bobsquires4521 Indeed. But at least Ken Scott has confirmed they didn't do any later overdubs, he was quite sure about that.

@OzBloke

Жыл бұрын

Just as an aside - you may like to have a listen to Australian ‘Doug Parkinsons’ cover. I am a Beatles fan from early 60’s but even so, some of their song were covered magnificently over the years.

@JFFM730

Жыл бұрын

@@gutgolf74 honestly i cant really decide my opinion on whether ringo is playing the final drum section on this song, so im definitely not disagreeing with you, however it is possible - just because theres no documentation it doesnt mean that it definitely didnt happen. its known that the beatles re-recorded parts of dont let me down at an undocumented recording session. and there wouldnt be “no reason” to add some complexity to the drums for the outro of the song, all of the fills make the general outro of the song sound a lot better. in conclusion, theres a decent chance your right about there being no ringo at all on this track, but its not impossible.

I met Ringo in a backstage gig in Brazil around 2011, my friend is a drummer and his company was promotion his All Star Band in Porto Alegre. I asked him many things, one of the question was "who is the drummer in Dear Prudence?" He said: " - Paul did it because I was on vacation, and I put my rolls before". He told he told: You make a lot of questions, what are you, a MI5?

@gutgolf74

5 ай бұрын

What do you mean with "I put my rolls before "?

@R.Akerman-oz1tf

4 ай бұрын

Great anecdote. Ringo's style; after that it's moot. When asked, "Is Ringo the greatest drummer in rock"? Mr. Lennon replied, "He's not even the the best drummer in The Beatles". Total fun for Us either way.

@gutgolf74

4 ай бұрын

@@R.Akerman-oz1tf Dude, get INFORMED before parrotting debunked anecdotes. It was NOT Lennon who said that. Jeez...

@R.Akerman-oz1tf

4 ай бұрын

It was a long time ago; so sorry. Still, it does sound like Ringo.@@gutgolf74

@plinn777.

3 ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 You are correct. In fact, NO one ever said it. Its from some parody/ comedy sketch.

One of my favorites, I bought the album the day it hit the stores in Pasadena Texas and took it to School with me the next Monday and played it in art class ,Miss Reid was cool like that.

That's Ringo's feel. There is no doubt in my mind (I'm a professional drummer of 30+ years and big Beatles fan too lol). Paul could well have been able to play the piece technically speaking but that feel man ..we all know it.

@ADHSR

Жыл бұрын

You nailed it Paul. I couldn't agree more. Paul's drumming never had that same feel. He was a pretty good drummer, but Ringo had an obvious groove and feel.

@jeffreyr.pettibone8746

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100! Ringo has authority to his hit, but also a laid back lagging feel. So distinct!

@NicanTlacaWarrior1

Жыл бұрын

..Paul copied it

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Since Ringo wasn't there and there is ABSOLUTELY no documented drum overdub anywhere and NOBODY from the Beatles EVER claimed this for Ringo that is highly unlikely. And WHY would he even go there and overdub this certain part??!! Absolutely no logical or musical or technical reason for it. There drums where overdubbed even before the vocals, so they can't have been added later. Furthermore, that ending is in fact quite messy and rhythmically all over the place. Ringo would have been much more precise. It totally sounds like what Paul did on "Kreen Akrore", it's just him fooling around trying to come up with an interesting drum part. It sounds more complex as it is because there are indeed two drum tracks - both played by PAUL.

@stephenellis2866

Жыл бұрын

Was Ringo!

The over dubbed is Ringo imo. I've been playing drums since I was 13, now 60, b/c of Ringo (and Ginger), and duplicating his leading left hand fills are still a challenge. It is likely that George Martin gave Ringo a chance to contribute to what he missed, so that Ringo feel more sewn back into the band. Fantastic video, great job!

@MontagTheMagician

2 жыл бұрын

I knew people in high school who were drummers in a marching band who could very easily play any Beatles song.

@onlyyuknow1

2 жыл бұрын

Ginger Baker certainly was among one of the best drummers of his time along with Bill Bruford.

@hppnq

2 жыл бұрын

The strongest argument that it is Paul, to me, is that if Ringo had done the overdub, he would have played the entire song and not just the last bit.

@lladnar69

2 жыл бұрын

@@hppnq You can tell that there is a simple guide drum pattern with fills over dubbed. I think George Martin had Ringo come in and overdub the wild part at the end to help soothe the rough feelings of a drummer who was thinking of quitting.

So interesting! The second drum part is what made this my favorite Beatles song back in the day! I definitely always felt like it sounded like Ringo.

I’m a drummer and a lifelong Beatles fan. I’d bet money it was Paul. When asked if Ringo was the greatest drummer in the world, John famously said “he’s not even the best drummer in the Beatles”😅

@Jasonwithadot

4 ай бұрын

He never said that, it was a comedian who said that in the 1970s

@gutgolf74

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that was a famous joke by some british comedian.

@paulsimpson3113

2 ай бұрын

To name the said comedian, Jasper Carrot of funky moped fame

@michaelharrington75

Ай бұрын

You're not much of a Beatles fan if you think John Lennon "famously said" that. You probably think digging out their 20 greatest hits every 10 years, and giving it a listen makes you a "lifelong fan"?

It's been 6 mouths and I here been waiting for the day when he releases a new vid. Can't wait

After hearing and seeing this several times (and after a half-century and more of listening and studying the Beatles--whatever that is worth) I am convinced that Ringo did the overdub at the end. Not that Paul could not have done that just as well--but it would have sounded different. For me, the most brilliant drum track of all time is Ringo on "A Day in the Life." Listen to how sophisticated that is! No one else could sound quite like that, and it has similarities to the last drum track on "Dear Prudence." I agree that the real joy in this is the consideration and discussion. The genius of the Beatles becomes more and more apparent with superb documentaries like this. Thank You!!

@ronnienaidoo3249

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant views !!!

@Mike-ri6ez

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more with your comment on Ringo on "A day in the life". One of my favorite drum tracks of all time. I'm not even sure why

It's Paul playing Ringo throughout. It is now being revealed what a brilliant musician was Paul Mac. But, wait! that two different snare drum tones, unable to be missed...ok, this would be explained by laying more tracks here and there. Ringo was in the Mediterranean with his family.

Paul is truly the most amazing talent of all rock. He is simply the Goat

Dear Prudence is one of my favorites. Paul’s bass playing is the best part for me. Some of his best I think.

Please do not ask how I know this, I can't respond. That being said, at the time EMI did not have the ability to mix down an 8 track recording, so the tracks were mixed down at Trident to four track. Once back at EMI two of the four tracks were bounced down to a single track in order to overdub additional drum tracks. These were performed by Ringo upon his return. This was after the group played the tracks for Ringo and he had some ideas to supplement what was already done. They decided to let him add the additional parts as a way to bring the group back together as a unit and ease some tensions. This is why some tracks were bounced to one, to make room for Ringo's new parts. So yes, those overdubs were Ringo.

@lancegould

2 жыл бұрын

Cool. That sounds about right. It seems that, over the years, I’ve read something about an appeasement of Ringo for his return. The story was about George’s song, so the details in the article were vague, but I could totally believe that it was viewed as incomplete if that’s not Paul playing. Although there’s quite a bit going on at the end of that song, I the we can all agree that it wouldn’t be the same with only, in essence, a click track in back. Plus, I’m convinced, after watching this video, that you can tell that whomever is playing that end part, is doing so whilst smoking a cigarette.

@ebkesq72

2 жыл бұрын

If we cannot ask you how you “know” this, then we have no way to judge the accuracy of your comment.

@bobsquires4521

Жыл бұрын

@@lancegould They ALL smoked cigs and THEY ALL played the drums. lol But I bet none of them could claim to hold a match to Ringo's ability. You can hear it - night and day. Anyone with ears PLUS half a musical brain (that's important) can recognize Ringo's niche in the Beatles - just because Ringo wrote the song and played the piano for his only 1 Beatles song that he contributed ("Don't Pass Me By") doesn't mean he was a pianist.

@jrlaudio

Жыл бұрын

@@ebkesq72 It's bad enough I made this comment, but the reason is NDA's I signed many years ago which have yet to expire. To hint at it, I had access to original multitracks when doing some archival A/D conversions for Abbey Road, which means I could hear conversations during recording between takes. It was Ringo on those tracks. I really can't say more.

... love, Love, LOVE "Dear Prudence" - one of my Top 5 Beatles tunes. In my humble opinion, it was Ringo's drumming on the final cut... it has his spirit in it. 🥁 Why won't someone simply clear up the debate by posing the question to him? "Did you, Sir Ringo, play all of Dear Prudence?" Inquiring minds want to know. 🤔... 😃 Thank you for this vid! I appreciate your work, dear channel owner! 💐🙏🏽❤️

To me, this is the greatest Beatles song ever.

I was 19 when I first heard "Dear Prudence" in 1968 and it has remained one of my favorite songs of all time - regardless of who played the drums.

I'm really happy to read and hear these audio tracks. I read drum music before English when I was 5 years old. McCartney played a decent drum track going back to their Hamburg days and white album/solo albums/career. He was a human click track, and his tempo ( meter) was spot on, and still is. All of the later fills are completely Ringo chops. As a lefty drummer, turned righty , he had fills that are difficult to reproduce/imitate today for right-handed drummers. No one plays like Ringo. His signature is unique. It's Ringo. Thanks for posting!

@lauskanaal4260

2 жыл бұрын

Only thing is, McCartney was also left-handed. For the rest I agree with you completely. The end is definitely Ringo.

@drvee1983

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. But he always had to play right handed drums. He can also play right handed guitar, (upside down ) or proper position....growing up in a right handed world. Most lefty guitarists can play something on righty instruments, drummers also. It's the great upside down guitarists that will confuse you as a righty jamming with them. See Albert King for further reference. It's Ringo.

@lauskanaal4260

2 жыл бұрын

Dave Grohl at 2:53: "You hear his drumming, you know exactly who it is". kzread.info/dash/bejne/qX6IzMx6iKfAg7w.html People don't recognize how great a drummer Ringo is. They think Paul can just imitate Ringo's drumming. Even Beatles fans don't see that Ringo is a drummer that Paul can never be. It amazes me.

Ringo has a style you can’t deny. It’s him.

@gutgolf74

8 ай бұрын

9:44

@colinjames2469

6 ай бұрын

it is Keith Moon

Those examples of Paul's drumming sound... middling. No triplets, no flourishes. Makes me lean towards the camp of "Dear Prudence was overdubbed by Ringo." Man, to have been a fly on the wall of every Beatles recording ever!

Ringo was, and is a massive talent. Personally, I don't care who played what, when, or how. What I pay attention to is the final cut and the mastery these four men had making music that changed the culture around the world.

@tomfurlong5091

Жыл бұрын

i agree...

It sounds like Paul on the McCartney album. The fact that it's cut in at least three sections increases the possibility that it was Paul because Fingo could have played it straight through LOL It's very good, whichever of them did it.

@rachezzel

2 жыл бұрын

✨fingo btarr✨

@mgscheue

2 жыл бұрын

A friend sent me an email with “Ringo” autocorrected to “Fungi”.

@rachezzel

2 жыл бұрын

@@mgscheue funnily enough, as I was writing my previous comment, the same thing happened

@mgscheue

2 жыл бұрын

@@rachezzel 😂

@tyrannosauruszeppelin2205

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, Fingo, the famous Beatles drummer

The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour is never ending! ❤

. Hello! I'm Carlos, from Spain. . I've been thinking for years that Ringo recorded a bonus track for "Dear Prudence." It is clear that the rhythmic basis was recorded by Paul, but Paul's drumming is good and efficient, but he doesn't play anything that any other drummer wouldn't play; On the other hand, Ringo's way of playing is very particular, being left-handed and setting up the drums in a right-handed configuration, made him naturally develop a way of playing "open rolls", so that instead of making successions of notes in one tom, and on another... play random notes between snare and toms. Ringo's playing is very identifiable. . In "Dear Prudence", the final part with a "simple" drum solo is very similar to the one Ringo played at the end of "I Am The Walrus". . On Beatles albums it was very common for Ringo to record additional percussion and drum tracks, for example he doubled the snare on "Yer Blues", "Helter Skelter", "Good Day Sunshine" and many other songs and he was very synchronized with the first track recorded. . I think on "Dear Prudence" there is a drum track from Paul, over which Ringo's ten bars of rolls were added. . Greetings from Spain!

@marcusphelan57

9 ай бұрын

It's Paul, Ringo is not on this song.

@Carlos.Baterista.Pirografista

9 ай бұрын

@@marcusphelan57 . OK, Marcus! . We weren't at the recordings to see who recorded each instrument and what has always been said is that Paul recorded the drums for "Dear Prudence." Although the ten bars we are referring to sound a lot like Ringo, if it was Paul, I don't doubt that he played trying to imitate what Ringo did in "I Am The Walrus"; If so, it's strange that Paul could do that and never play anything so special on drums again. . Greetings from Spain!!

@marcusphelan57

9 ай бұрын

@@Carlos.Baterista.Pirografista G'day from Australia. Nothing strange about it, they had more tracks to play with at Trident and comped together fills laid over the original drum track. It's not hard to splice together fills when you've got more tracks. There's at least five guitars on this song, double tracked vocals, piano, backing vocals...they went to town on it. If there were later overdubs back at Abbey Road when Ringo returned there would have been documentation showing that. There isn't. It's never been a mystery, which is why this video is just a tease, fooling people into thinking there's doubt as to who played on it. Cheers.

@Carlos.Baterista.Pirografista

9 ай бұрын

@@marcusphelan57 . He Jojó...! It's true that this video is fun. . There is another video in which there is "speculation" about the possibility that Ringo played that drum part. It is a video in which the isolated tracks are shown, showing each person who plays each part (in the choruses of the vocal track, images of John, Paul, George, Mal Evans and Jaquie Lomax are shown), and from minute 02:02 Ringo's image is put on. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqGClKalqN25l7w.html&ab_channel=DLD2Music%21 . I'm still not sure about all this. There are many things that were documented and others that, although they were known, went decades without being revealed, such as the fact that Brian Jones participated in two Beatles songs, Donovan in another, Eric Clapton, Moureen Starr, Eddie Kramer... . Whoever played, "Dear Prudence" is one of my favorite Lennon Beatles songs. . Greetings!

@marcusphelan57

9 ай бұрын

@@Carlos.Baterista.Pirografista Yes Brian Jones played saxophone on "You Know My Name..." I don't know of any other song he is on. Look, Ringo is by far a better drummer than Paul, but that doesn't stop Paul from overdubbing fills, then bounced down to sound like a "performance'. It's Paul playing the drums and it's not controversial or a mystery just because some people make a video about it.

Listening to Paul's tracks in the other songs, Dear Prudence sounds like Ringo's style to me. I am not a musician, just a fan of 55 yrs.

I’m glad someone finally talked about this! These small Beatles mysteries are what absolutely intrigue me

@AtomicLobotomy

2 жыл бұрын

Just a note--Took a summer Arabic class at UC Berkeley -- summer of 78 or 79 -- and there was a young woman enrolled named Prudence. Actually, at first nobody thought twice about her name. But at some point, in a break somebody asked her about it and mentioned the Beatles' song. Well, sure enough, it was Prudence Farrow -- she was married to grad student at Berkeley and would herself get PhD from Berkeley. A few weeks later she threw a party--living in very modest grad student housing. A very, very nice, gentle person--somebody you could understand Lennon being attracted to. She was very, very deep into Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's teachings, and apparently spent all of her time either listening to lectures or in her bungalow meditating. (Sorry, I can't tell difference between Paul and Ringo's drumming.)

@williamvanvugt9117

2 жыл бұрын

Me too--and no other group or artist can touch me as deeply.

And yet one of their most underrated songs. What a masterpiece!

All documentation from that time is clear on Paul providing the drums on this track. The last part with the fills is clearly more technically advanced and required overdubs and most likely parts spliced together. As Paul is a self taught drummer, he lacks the grip proficiency and thus doesn't have the same attack as Ringo. This distinguishes Paul's drumming from Ringo's, and on this track it's noticeable all through, so Paul is playing and kind of emulating Ring in the fills at the end of "Dear Prudence".

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

LOL, some people will read this and think you said it is Ringo playing!

The guitar work in this song is beautiful. It's just so calming.

@bobsquires4521

Жыл бұрын

and in tune !

I'm actually in the Paul camp here - the playing to me doesn't really feel like Ringo, I don't know why. Whoever it was, I LOVE it!

@dynaboyjl.4220

2 жыл бұрын

That swing feel is missing. It's still a great drum track, but it doesn't feel as confident as Ringo's work. But I'm not a drummer myself, what do I know.

@thesilvershining

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think it's Paul because it's a tiny bit sloppy, which absolutely WORKS for the song. Ringo was always extremely precise in his fills.

@Dashie04

2 жыл бұрын

@@dynaboyjl.4220, You’re absolutely right, as a drummer myself.

Probably my favorite Beetle's album! I remember sitting in my room singing every word to every song on this album.. I still owe it.. Thank you.. I learned a lot.. 🎶🤗🎵

It’s a great song-Ringo definitely overdubbed the with his signature crisp snare which does sound quite clear at the halfway mark you pointed out.

People often undersell Pauls drumming. Check out “My Dark Hour” by Steve Miller from 1968! Paul Plays drums and sings backing on it. The drumming is very intense and uncharacteristic of Paul’s drumming!

@ChromaticHarp

2 жыл бұрын

Wow I just listened to My Dark Hour. I had no idea that Paul played drums on that!

@evertvdb000

2 жыл бұрын

its 1969

@waynecameron4579

2 жыл бұрын

Wow didn't know that

@zakmike8615

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Paul's a competent drummer... Blah blah blah. I am a better drummer than Sir Paul McCartney. Ringo obviously contributed to Dear Prudence.

@evertvdb000

2 жыл бұрын

@@zakmike8615 i agree

Paul's drumming always sound solid but quite simple. This really does sound like Ringo to me.

@andrewgardner3092

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, after hearing it next to Strawberry Field’s concluding drums, it seems obvious to me to.

@marcstevens8576

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was Paul. He'd been playing with Ringo for so long, he knew Ringo's style & was most likely asked by producers to overdub a duplication of it in order to keep the same sound. Do remember, unlike The Who, who took years off between albums, The Beatles came out with at least one every year. Nobody really noticed at the time..

@mega4m

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcstevens8576 "...asked by producers" 😂

@royharper2003

2 жыл бұрын

Quite simple describes Ringo's playing

The first song I remember ”discovering” the stereo effect, with the solo guitar in the right speaker.

To me, a twenty-something who listened to each new Beatle album with undivided attention and perception, I feel it was both Paul and Ringo playing the drums on "Dear Prudence." Even an amateur, if he listens w/the kind of intensity that I did, acquires a primal sense for nuance in playing style. I was totally unaware that Paul played the drums at all until his first solo album. When I heard what he did on that, I flipped out. Is there any instrument this guy can't play? Apparently not, as he continues to demonstrate to this day. Paul and I are now both in our eighties. (My god!) As he has for millions of others, Paul has become a very important, integral part of my life, underscoring the phenomenon we all experience when we identify w/a favorite artist's talent so much that our brain creates a folder marked, "Friend" for that artist. So, based on this heartfelt blather, I hear first Paul and then Ringo on drums on "Dear Prudence." The Beatles were in the early days of recording on an eight track machine for the first time. Today, musicians, thanks to being able to record digitally, can create as many tracks as needed w/out losing generational fidelity. When you think of it, after listening closely, you realize how much the Beatles accomplished w/their overdubbing. Few relatively early Bealtes' songs were overdubbed as much as they were on "Rubber Soul." For that matter, think of what they (with Sir George's help) accomplished w/Sgt. Pepper, recorded on a four track machine. Clever lads, yes? --- Terry McGovern

@gutgolf74

5 ай бұрын

It's impossible to be Ringo, he wasn't there and they didn't do later overdubs. 9:44

Paul and Ringo have a kind of distinct style for drumming. Paul, being a perfectionist, has a very straightforward type of play style. Ringo is left handed and plays a right handed kit which gives him a "lagging" kind of style to his drumming, which is heard in Dear Prudence. As many people have said, it isn't impossible for Paul to have played that end section but the lagging kind of style just screams Ringo to me.

@titmusspaultpaul5

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, me ears tell me all the nuances are ringo. Having said that there is no proof, but I believe my ears. Paul doesn't dwell on the past and creates new music all the time and given he played on the song originally he wouldn't be able to give an answer. Unless someone played it on the spot for him and I don't see that happening. Plus the intrigue is better for everyone.... cheers.

@JH-si9oe

2 жыл бұрын

Paul is also left handed

@SOcialHIPpie

2 жыл бұрын

@@JH-si9oe Good point

@siroswaldfortitude5346

2 жыл бұрын

@@JH-si9oe yep good point...I didn't even realise that Ringo was left handed lol

@cbennett196631

2 жыл бұрын

Paul is left handed YES….but he didn’t play on a Righty kit…

I’m not the most huge Beatles guy, but I have always liked this song and have learned this drum part. To me, it feels like it was something played by someone who doesn’t normally play drums, but still has some major skills (like Paul). It was wild and very outside of the box with lots of movement. To me, it sounds like something a bass player would come up with. I totally get the Ringo theory, but I personally believe it was Paul.

@gutgolf74

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@brandonmshrock

2 жыл бұрын

@@gutgolf74 Thanks!

@francoismariedru5581

2 жыл бұрын

"I’m not the most huge Beatles guy."... all is said. it's Ringo

@mcnultyssobercompanion6372

2 жыл бұрын

@@francoismariedru5581 His preface about not being a "huge Beatles guy" was him being intellectually honest. It actually _enhances_ his argument a bit. Beyond that, he's clearly a drummer, which means his ability to discern technique cannot be dismissed just because he likely cannot name every track on "Rubber Soul". He at least presented an argument. To be fair, your argument consists of two words: "it's Ringo". We all know you believe that. Why? Who knows. BRANDON SHROCK'S argument doesn't *prove* who's on the recording, but it's an informed opinion from a drummer and, for me, that makes it interesting and worthwhile.

@sportsmediaamerica

2 жыл бұрын

Can someone just go ask Paul?? He's still alive, you know. Ringo too.

Ringo says Paul did the drumming on it. I'd have to track down where I heard him say it. I don't think it sounds like Ringo, though he loosens up later, Paul is kind of stiff in the first verses. Very similar drumming technique can be heard on 'McCartney' a year and a half later and even on the 'Band on the Run' album.

7:42 I believe that the tea towel muffling the snare drum fell as there were fills with the muffled snare in 7:37

That’s definitely Ringo at the end, you can hear it instantly in his style. Paul is a great drummer but he wouldn’t try or be able to emulate Ringo’s fills like that. You can hear the similarity in style at the end of Helter Skelter just before Ringo got blisters on his fingers!

Yesterday, Ringo was awarded an honorary degree from the Berklee School of Music in Boston (US).

@ronnienaidoo3249

2 жыл бұрын

Wow !!! Congratulations Ringo.

@phillipschloss3984

Жыл бұрын

Ringo is one of the most underrated drummers of all time. It’s also in his genes, witness Zack Starkey who has given The Who a new lease on life. One of the smoothest drummers in rock n’ roll today.

Late to the comments here but IMHO it's clear those fills are Ringo. Paul certainly had the ability but his playing is more "uptight" and on the beat, whereas Ringo is known for his behind the beat, swinging style. Those tom fills are most certainly Ringo. ✌PS: Love this channel, thank you!!!

@gutgolf74

Ай бұрын

9:44 nuff said

Fascinating. As a child I listened to this record on a rudimentary stereo hi-fi. I'd switch the bass, treble and balance knobs to listen to discrete parts separated from the whole. The drum complexity towards the end is like fireworks on a quiet night. Gotta be Ringo. The host is correct, I cannot unhear this. Thank you!

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Since Ringo wasn't there and they didn't do later overdubs, it can't be Ringo, end of story, no mystery at all.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 They may well have done a later overdub, even just to put some of Ringo into the song. Nobody knows for sure. Most people lost memory of incidents (unless particularly significant) after a few months, let alone years.

@gutgolf74

10 ай бұрын

@@mikem9001 Yeah, only Ken Scott DOES know they didn't do any later overdubs. Also it remains a fact that NOBODY who was actually involved EVER claimed this for Ringo. Also, it's nothing Paul couldn't play, it's even sloppy, so I just don't get why so many people have such a hard time accepting official facts on this one that have NEVER been disputed by ANYONE involved.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 Ken Scott was being interviewed decades later. He wasn't prepared to say that Paul was the only drummer on this song, and he wasn't in a position to be sure there were no other overdubs. He was not the only engineer working on the album. Literally scores of drummers on this thread alone have explained why it doesn't sound at all like Paul, but does sound like Ringo.

@gutgolf74

10 ай бұрын

@@mikem9001 Please quote ANY other engineer who claims this for Ringo. Truth is not a matter of majorities on KZread comments, LOL!

This is such an underrated channel. Such a fantastic intersection of history, art analysis, and video essay content. All with top notch production value. You’re probably one of my favorite channels on the entire platform right now. Keep up the good work dude👍🏻

@melissasiegel9682

2 жыл бұрын

I subscribed based on your comment!

@GuitarUniverse2013

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more!

I can't believe Dear Prudence wasn't a massive hit back in 68. I wasn't alive back then, but having been introduced to The Beatles by my dad's extensive collection of their albums, I always found that song to be one of their best. It was remade in the 80s by Susie and The Banshees and became a hit for her. Great song.

@blackletter2591

Жыл бұрын

It's because it was an album song and it was in no way up to the standard of the big hitters from that album. There was no need to make Prudence a single release - we all had it on the album. Back in the USSR, ObladiOblada, While my guitar gently weeps, Blackbird, Julia etc. "Beatles most beautiful song"? Nah, not even close. Not even the best song on the album which had at least 8 good songs, with Prudence coming in about 7th. In those days, everybody bought every Beatles album, because we knew you'd get your money's worth. Other bands and artists, you'd get maybe one or two hits and a bunch of duds.

@larryglusak8176

Жыл бұрын

Dragonize is correct. We didn't buy singles and we learned that most of the Beatles music was of the same caliber. I bought the white album at least six times. Every time the girl I was living with back then and I separated, it seems they got the albums that I paid for. Fortunes of war I guess.

@frankjamesbonarrigo7162

Жыл бұрын

you were alive. Just in a different form

I want to say it was the author (of the Beatles studio sessions book ca. 1987) Mark Lewisohn that suggested that the drum track was a combination of Paul, John and George in Ringo’s absence.

I don't know why anyone is saying that someone should just ask Paul or Ringo.. They're both in their 80s now, and this was recorded well over 50 years ago. They've done a lot between now and then..

IMHO John's greatest under rated song and my favorite Beatles track...period! I listen to it nearly everyday. Absolutely a joy to listen to! "Won't you come out to play..."

@markhunter8554

2 жыл бұрын

For me it's a tie between Rain and Prudence.

I can't imagine this kind of debate involving any other band. That's just one of the reasons the Beatles are and always will be the most fascinating act of all time.

@jimreadey4837

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's the other way around -- _because_ the Beatles are and always will be the most fascinating acts of all time, this kind of debate has arisen.

@williamvanvugt9117

2 жыл бұрын

Spot-on, my friend. Spot-on.

@robfaulhaber8204

2 жыл бұрын

Grateful Dead

@vollsticks

2 жыл бұрын

I see you're not familiar with The Fall's online community...

@vollsticks

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimreadey4837 I get why a lot of people, especially serious muso types, would believe that but calling The Beatles *the* most fascinating act of all time is a tad hyperbolic, no?

It's one of the most beautiful songs in the history of music

I’ve always loved this song. Exquisite to listen to in the dark, late at night, lying in bed.

As a drummer too, this is a sticky question all the more so because Paul is left handed like Ringo. Any right handed drummer will listen and re-listen to Ringo's fills because they do not follow the normal pattern a right handed drummer would follow. Subtle but astonishingly significant. Ringo, rightfully so (no pun intended) could not round the set from left to right because his fills were lead by his left hand and not his right. That made Ringo's drumming VERY unique. Paul would have the same trouble, actually more so as Ringo was somewhat ambidextrous by playing his kit set up for a right handed person. His grandmother forced Ringo to use his right hand as it was more socially acceptable than being a "lefty". Thus, Ringo "appears" to be a normal right handed drummer, when in fact he had to lead his fills with his left hand. Again, Paul did NOT play his instruments as a right handed player. He played as a lefty. Paul thus would have very similar fill characteristics as Ringo although clearly not to the extent or capability of Ringo. I agree the drumming sounds very inline with what you would expect from Ringo yet I believe it most likely was Paul for the said reasons as well as the fact that Paul often "instructed" Ringo how he wanted the drums played, ie. fills, tempo etc. So much so that during these session for the White Album Ringo left the band because he was fed up with Paul constantly telling him what to do. A small break in the Mediterranean and Ringo was back.

Nothing explains the corporate genius of the Beatles like this analysis of Dear Prudence. The group is greater than the sum of its parts. The Muse worked through all of them together -- even when Ringo was absent.

@johnhenrycurry8209

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. For me the Beatles were an artist's collective more than a band. It didn't matter who did what, they were all part of all the music called The Beatles. They early broke many pop music molds; first as a fabulous vocal group that wrote its own material *and* played its own accompaniment. After they gave up on touring their collective dominated. They became a single artist with four heads. Who did what didn't much matter and, as you suggest, it was greater than the individual parts. Which played a roll in their disbanding. The compromises a collective requires became a drag. In "Get Back," George asks about adding Billy Preston to the group but Paul says (something like); it's hard enough for the four of us!

@ronnienaidoo3249

2 жыл бұрын

A great assessment !!!

Brilliant observations and such fun to put this song under the microscope. Beautiful and very inspirational. Thanks!

Its Paul. It's actually a very a messy drum overdub. It just sounds great. Great work paul.

58 years ago, at the age of 12, I watched The Beatles on Ed Sullivan. Little did I know then the impact those 4 lads from Liverpool England would make on my life, and the world. 58 years on, when hearing them, I still get that giddy feeling inside as I did at the age of 12.

Totally agree. Dear Prudence is not only one of the best Beatles songs, but has to rank as one of the greatest songs period. The picking pattern, which John used all over the album, is really in its element for this. I adore Paul's bass line, and George's fanfare type solo at the finale is just icing on the cake. The drumming might have been done by Paul in the first part, as the rhythm is straightforward and grounded, but as it builds to the climax I do think it was Ringo. Once you isolated the transition, I thought immediately of Strawberry Fields. If it was Paul, he would have had to choose to specifically emulate Ringo's sound, and been good enough to do it at the drop of a hat, whereas Ringo could just walk in the door and...Act Naturally.

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Ringo wasn't there, and Ken Scott confirmed there were no later overdubs. No mystery, no Ringo.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

Great points. There is no proof that they didn't overdub Ringo later on, and it certainly sounds much more like him.

I immediately thought that the latter drums were Ringo playing. Very much his style to my ears.

Well, that was just way too much fun! I have always loved "Dear Prudence," but this deep layer-by-layer deconstruction just pushed me over the edge - I was 80/20 that it was Paul at the drums ... but now I'm 75/25 that it's Ringo. 🥁

@gutgolf74

5 ай бұрын

9:44

As a kid being more and more fascinated with music in general than just drumming grooves I remembered my utter infatuation with"Dear Prudence " because it broke pretty much EVERY rule my young drumming career has exposed me to. The vocals playing on top of ta lengthy drum fill (which became a groove and THAT was never mentioned as a UNIQUE drumming technique ( which has not been repeated again by anyone)

You got it right when you said they can sound like each other. Paul was great a mimicking George's guitar style. Maybe with overdubs and bounced tracks he was able to achieve the drum sound from the second half of the song.

Ringo played drums on all those songs you mentioned plus Strawberry Fields Forever. No mistaking that unique "tumble-over" style. This is definitely Ringo dubbed in. I would play this song over and over on the first day of summer vacation. It is sonically the month of June. And I didn't know the backstory about Prudence Farrow at the time, but she fits the image I had perfectly.

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, only Ringo wasn't there and they didn't do later overdubs, as Ken Scott confirmed. So it can't be Ringo, and it totally sounds like Paul anyway.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 Ken Scott didn't confirm it, and he wouldn't necessarily know.

@gutgolf74

10 ай бұрын

@@mikem9001 LOL, yes he DID confirm it, and if you would follow his content and interviews you'd see that he DEFINITELY knows what he's talking about - in SHOCKING contrast to Emerick.

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 Ken Scott declined to say that it was definitely all Paul on the drums, he was recollecting years after the event, and he wasn't the only engineer involved. His words give no basis for concluding that there were no additional overdubs.

@gutgolf74

10 ай бұрын

@@mikem9001 LOL, nice try. Ken said he can't say what happened in the studio while they recorded it. He mixed it, so he surely DOES know if there were any overdubs, and since he's very clear about remembering that, we have no reason to doubt him. Please give us some verbatim quotes from any other engineer involved who confirms it's Ringo, overdubbed. Wait, I even accept a quote confirming the POSSIBILITY it was Ringo overdubbed later! See, YOU are the one who has "absolutely no basis" for your claim. See 9:44. Bye!

So interesting. Always a favorite Beatles song, and now more joy than ever.

Even tho Paul was a competent drummer, the ending part reeks of Ringo's style. The touch and finesse that Ringo played with would not have been possible for Paul to perfectly duplicate as this human element is unique to musicians and singers. No matter when Ringo came back off holiday, he most certainly is playing at the end of the track.

@RUfromthe40s

2 жыл бұрын

what´s sad is that in cd the drums don´t sound like drums in Beatles Lp´s or any other sound ,the same happens with a lot of other bands

"Dear Prudence" almost always leaves me with tears in my eyes. Thank you for this amazing backstory.

I think the very powerful fills are Ringo. I have heard similar from him and although I've heard Paul on drums, I don't recall him laying down such similar fills.

i remember hearing this theory when i was 10, i had just picked up drumming the same year and was an avid beatles fan, dear prudence was by far my favourite song at the time too, so seeing the discussion in early youtube comments saying it was paul really blew my mind. as a kid, i thought it was paul just 'cause i thought itd be funny probably the most difficult drum solo in the beatles wasn't even ringo, but after 13 years of drumming experience i can confidently say that's ringo. no discredit to paul, but those drum examples you pulled are super stripped down 1 & 2 type beats. the flavour of the solo is distinctly ringo, the phrasing of the kit, the triplets on the toms, and moreover (this sounds bs but humour me) solos required a trained ear to create, and there's a lot of drum-feel and intuition you can only hear if youre a drummer too; things like the double cymbal crash on the second bar is a habit you sometimes develop, and to me that screams experience. without a doubt ringo.

I did notice Ringo's terrific drumming in She Said She Said is very much his own unique style. Thanks for this great video and comments.

@eugenetalley7447

Жыл бұрын

Rain.... I don't mind to die in the rain

@eugenetalley7447

Жыл бұрын

He had a micro beat he had to make it fine. I can show you

@frankjamesbonarrigo7162

Жыл бұрын

One of the finest Drum songs ever

Ringo, in my opinion. If ever this issue is to be settle it will be because of the style and the character of the drumming. 1. Own perception. The drum pattern at the end of Dear Prudence resemble those of A Day in the Life, Strawberry Fields, Blue Jay Way, Cry Baby Cry, Hello Goodbye, Here Comes the Sun, She Said She Said, Yer Blues, Good Morning Good Morning, Rain, etc. The hallmark of Ringo's style is unmistakable, mainly I think, in the use of silence at the heart of a complex fill (e.g. A Day in the Life) as well as the particular and "chaotic" alternation of the snare drum with the toms and even the hi-hat (e.g. She Said She Said). In Dear Prudence there is and example of his "signature beat (especially the falling-down-the-stairs, swampy rolls)". 2. Argument from authority. I found on the KZread channel of batmankozyy the best drum covers of Beatles songs: precise, dynamic, fluid, forceful and faithful. He's been uploading videos since 2008 and I consider him an authority, being able to master Ringo's style and drumming intention. He even has a drum lesson video for Dear Prudence final part, with a transcription of the fills and an execution by himself (kzread.info/dash/bejne/oXaJ1bRtaM2cldo.html&ab_channel=batmankozyy). In the comment section, when asked specifically if he thinks the final part is done by Paul or Ringo, he answers that he's convinced it's Ringo. He even points out Ringo's drumming in the song Vertical Man (exactly between the minute 2.35-2.42) arguing it's almost the same feeling as in Dear Prudence (kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3mJuMpxk5WZYLg.html&ab_channel=hotttomali). 3. Counterarguments for Paul's drumming. Although Paul is able to mimic John's vocal tone in many songs it's not the same as trying to mimic Ringo's drumming due to the technical dexterity needed in the execution. Not even the counterexamples of Paul's drumming as in Kreen-Akrore, Miss America or My Dark Our matches the blueprint of Ringo's style. Even in videos of Paul playing drums, although his capability, he is seen with some stiffness (kzread.info/dash/bejne/fI6Tqo-xorCzaKQ.html&ab_channel=LaEstrellaInglesa) that wouldn't allow such a fluid section as in Dear Prudence. 4. Extra hypothesis. Maybe when Ringo returned and asked for contributions in the already recorded tracks, he wanted to print decisively his style and, at least in Dear Prudence, he might wanted to show with strictness the power of his musical contribution to the Beatles. He was first replaced with Jimmy Nichols (in a different context of course) but he felt insecure of his position in the band ever since (as he declared in the Anthology). His intervention in the final section of Dear Prudence might be taken as a drummer statement, as saying "if I ever leave again, let's see if you can replace this".

@ColinWilliamsDrums

2 жыл бұрын

The effort in this comment is underrated

@rebecapasillas

Жыл бұрын

You are, indeed, the guy in the audience with the score on his knees.

The sound is pure Ringo. With so many “conspiracy theories,” I’m surprised that neither of the main players has ever definitively ‘fessed up. If Paul could pull it off, then more power to him, but I choose to believe that the Fab Fourth found a way to be heard.

@terrylodercreative

Жыл бұрын

Since the "sound" changes right in the middle of the track, I'm curious as to why it wan't an issue. No way Dave Grohl lets you change his drum sounds half way through. Odd. Like I've always said: ASK PAUL OR RINGO. You'll get their answer and we can move on to whether Paul is still dead.

@PedroAmA

Жыл бұрын

It was Paul the credit od the songs says so

@mikem9001

10 ай бұрын

Good point. Ringo could easily have been dubbed in later after his return.

@joellebrodeur1015

8 ай бұрын

I say it's Paul on the main drum guide track and added overdubs is Ringo. Paul has a very distinctive, nearly one dimensional drum fill that Ringo never plays. It's best hear on The Ballad of John and Yoko. Clearly it's Paul. George and Ringo were on holiday during that session. For Dear Prudence, it's clearly two drummers using the same kit (Ringo's). You can tell the feel of each drummer are clearly differentiated in one track. Irrespective of who played what in the end, Dear Prudence is one of the highlights of the White Album.

From Mark Lewisohn's book: Aug 28, 1968: Trident Studios, a basic track was taped first: George's and John's guitars (John supplied the hypnotic picking which opens and the runs throughout the song) and Paul on drums. Aug 30: Back at Trident Studios, the recording of `Dear Prudence' was concluded on this day, with the overdubbing of a piano track and a very short burst of flugelhorn, both played by Paul. No other mention of recordings after Aug 30, 1968

@gutgolf74

3 ай бұрын

Also Ken Scott confirmed they didn't do later overdubs.

@Grover483-vt4zc

Ай бұрын

@@gutgolf74 It is obviously extremely important to you to assert your point... as you have now made it about ten times in this comment section!!! Haha! And whether or not you claim documented proof that the fill is Paul's, it is clearly recognizable to most discerning listeners that it is Ringo's, and it is very unlikely Paul had either the ability or desire to emulate Ringo's unique and idiosyncratic style. It is also likely that, in these circumstances, Ringo expressed himself very clearly and uniquely while playing this fill so as to make a point.

@gutgolf74

Ай бұрын

@@Grover483-vt4zc LOL, about ten times?? 😀 Make that more than a hundred! Because there seems to be an endless amount of people unable or unwilling to accept naked, objective facts: a) Ringo wasn't there when they recorded it. Confirmed and never officially denied by ANYONE involved. b) They didn't do later overdubs on DP, confirmed by Ken Scott, who mixed it. c) The drumming is not even exceptionally great - it sounds amazing because there are two drum parts at the same time, both obviously played by Paul. It's actually quite sloppy - perfectly fitting the situation: Paul just experimenting and jamming around to do some nice drum flavor at the end of the song. So don't complain about me pointing out facts - that's only STILL necessary because too many delusional people STILL don't accept that 9:44.

I am in the camp that Ringo came back and added drums later, simply because it sounds too "Ringo-ee" not to be him. But I never knew this story so I also always assumed "round round round..." was sung by Ringo because it sounds just like his voice. Is it a far fetched idea that Ringo came back and then added drums and backing vocals when the others welcomed him back?

@SurferJoe1

2 жыл бұрын

The vocals (always jumped out at me, too!) are documented: Mal and Neil, I think, and maybe someone else.

@elirosen1391

2 жыл бұрын

@@SurferJoe1 Mal, Neil Aspinall, etc. were in the chorus. Mal probably provided that bass D2 in the background, him being a 6'6 man mountain.

@SurferJoe1

2 жыл бұрын

@@elirosen1391 Yeah, a voice that low is something you don't expect to hear on a Beatles record! I had wondered about it since I was a kid before finally looking it up, some years ago. A couple songs later we get the highest voice on a Beatles record from Yoko...

@Mediawatcher2023

2 жыл бұрын

Paul did all the drumming

@heggy_69

2 жыл бұрын

I still like to think Ringo did backing vocals

2:00 WHAT? The Hey Dude joke existed back then? I only know it from "Yesterday"!

@didgeridoo472

Жыл бұрын

I caught the same thing - love it!

This is one of the Beatles most interesting songs, very haunting. Siouxsie and the Banshees cover was rather good too

@chrissayler6767

Жыл бұрын

Siouxie’s great on that

@chrissayler6767

Жыл бұрын

Ya

@user-fu2mi1nd5l

9 ай бұрын

Jerry Garcia Band does a great version of Prudence.

@joethelion6016

9 ай бұрын

@@user-fu2mi1nd5l just listened to it, I agree ☺️

The change in the Snare drum sound is simply his tea towel shifting location.

By the time this happened they knew each others styles and techniques so well, and they were both so good, that Ringo could convincingly play an imitation of Paul, playing an imitation of Ringo, that could fool and confuse anyone. They were both capable and both had the mischievous personalities that would pull such a thing off in any combination just to mess with people. I will, as I always have, enjoy the song and I will never lose any sleep over who played what where. I know it's a Beatle song and that is all I need to know.

The last part on Dear Prudence was definitely Ringo. Paul's style and technique at that point in time was very straight forward. With the dynamics and accents as well as the groove, it certainly feels and sounds like Ringo.

@JimmyBComputerGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Paul (on drums) is more of a "chipper", meaning he just sort of chips away undynamically with very little groove. Also, his fills are completely linear - a hallmark of the beginner. "Back in the USSR" is definitely Paul.

@gutgolf74

Жыл бұрын

Since Ringo wasn't there and there is ABSOLUTELY no documented drum overdub anywhere and NOBODY from the Beatles EVER claimed this for Ringo that is highly unlikely. And WHY would he even go there and overdub this certain part??!! Absolutely no logical or musical or technical reason for it. There drums where overdubbed even before the vocals, so they can't have been added later. Furthermore, that ending is in fact quite messy and rhythmically all over the place. Ringo would have been much more precise. It totally sounds like what Paul did on "Kreen Akrore", it's just him fooling around trying to come up with an interesting drum part. It sounds more complex as it is because there are indeed two drum tracks - both played by PAUL.

Dear Prudence has always been one of my favorites, not just by the Fab Four. The Jerry Garcia Band does an excellent cover, for example. This is the first I've even heard of this debate, and I must agree the debate is more important than the facts. I've known for a long time that Ringo is an often underrated drummer, and there was a history of Paul annoying Ringo. After watching this video, I now find myself uncertain how I'd vote about who played the second drum section. I'd like to think that Ringo returned and contributed to this beautiful song. However, I'd not be surprised if Sir Paul did it either. The intersection of several of my loves, history and music and the Beatles, this is something I'll never be able to unhear. Thank you.

@user-gb4hi2jq6t

8 ай бұрын

I think you hit the nail on the head with this line: "I've known for a long time that Ringo is an often underrated drummer, and there was a history of Paul annoying Ringo." Paul annoyed Ringo, Paul played the first half, Ringo showed up later to showed him up on the last half. No contest: Ringo, the "quiet Beatle," kicked ass the only way he knew how - by playing his drums as best he could. It's definitely Ringo's relentless beat.

Beautiful work! Thank you

If you go back to Baby You're a Rich Man and Strawberry Fields, which were played by Ringo - some of the fills in those songs have an extremely similar feel. I'm in the camp that Ringo dubbed in the fills in Dear Prudence.

Has anyone ever asked Ringo or Paul about the drumming on Dear Prudence? I know it's been a very long time, but I'd be very interested in hearing what they had to say.

@joehumeas7196

2 жыл бұрын

They’re both alive, I’m surprised no one has asked them

@foxandscout

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. Why deliberate when they are both alive and certainly know the answer.

@bassesatta9235

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxandscout they did ask them, they both said paul. Its already proven that paul played in the track, the mystery lies in the coda. Who played the ending since it sounds vastly different to the previous sections. Did ringo overdub the ending? Thats something neither of them can remember

@foxandscout

2 жыл бұрын

@@bassesatta9235Thank you! I guess that makes sense considering how much music they put out together and alone; considering that this was the first time in an 8-track studio And they went a little overboard though the result with dear prudence was magic. There are plenty details I don’t remember in My life even though my long-term memory is pretty intact. I just turned 68 last day May. More important to enjoy the music Then investigate Every tiny detail.

@dachille1

2 жыл бұрын

I saw Ringo in an interview he said he’s not on the track. it was on some TV talkshow.

it's possible that Paul did all the drums given his work ethic which certainly attributes to his well rounded musicianship