"oh you think button bloat is a problem and putting your 1-2-3 combo on one button would help?? GO PLAY COOKIE CLICKER MR ONE BUTTON" this video was not made by a serious person

tbh, defending cross-classes and stats is the most hilarious thing anyone who has ever played during that time could have done.

@QuintemTA

8 ай бұрын

He honestly sounds like the angry bitter WoW veterans. I'm sort of a WoW veteran, I started late TBC. I saw a lot of change before I quit near the start of Shadowlands. They complain about just about everything, hyper fixate on random issues that really don't make the game worse from a gameplay standpoint or lore, example being Pandaren in Mists of Pandaria. They were part of the lore if only in the background for years even if it was half-joke, they were part of Warcraft. Gameplay? How do they make your stupid undead mage play any different during a raid? "Panda bad, expansion bad" actual logic of these people. It reflects in this guy with his hot takes. Healer changes bad, okay fair point. Stats good, cross class skills good, tank aggro good. You had us in the first quarter and then dropped the ball. 75% of this takes are like angry/bitter and 25% is like okay you have a point or that's a fair personal opinion.

@QuintemTA

8 ай бұрын

@@mosley3485 I don't believe tank aggro adds much value especially when you have DPS managing it as well. It's a not really a skill, if you know which buttons generate the most threat you have aggro if you don't the boss runs around. Literally only negatively effects new tanks. As skilled tanks won't lose it, it adds nothing to their gameplay.

@QuintemTA

8 ай бұрын

@@mosley3485 Its really not, once you know the magic buttons to do all the treat necessary you win at tanking. You are now a glorified DPS. The result is the same no matter how you try to frame it. Any good tank knows this, I don't think I ever heard one say. "You know what would make this boss fun, threat management!". Adding in a make boss angry button does not add depth for the tank or his ninja babysitter.

@grygaming5519

8 ай бұрын

@@mosley3485 Except everything he said is a bad take or a bad faith argument to begin with. Its not something not known to the community, a lot of the community has tried to 'fix' these classes in some way, shape or form. So his attack on the community comes from a WoW toxic elitist getting told off by the community to shut up you make no sense. Lynx outs himself perfectly, he's never played the game through when TP/Cross Class/Attribute points were a thing. He joined and skipped to Stormblood right before shadowbringers (so we're talking 4.2-4.3), then pretty much stated that he didnt like the story and hated how Yoshida kept the raid tier locked up until everyone was through 5.0 (you know so raiders and non-raiders could enjoy the content). So the guy had at best 3 years of playing FF where he only consumed everything until TOP and that's where he quit due to drama he caused in his own raid group. The problem boils down to this, the people in the community know there's problems. The problem is how to solve them becomes highly subjective and often tilts into personal bias. Lynx's perfect world is that either WoW or 14 focuses only on the hard core raiders and midcore& casuals go fuck off some other game. Hence why bald man says "The game is for everyone and has to be for everyone or the game goes under...main goal of the game is to make money." WoW pandered hard to its PVP, all other content failed, hard corrected for raiders, pvp, mid and casual content failed....tried to hard course correct again.... once again failure. In trying to catch both rabbits you catch neither...something Lynx doesnt understand.

@ianlindstrom2019

8 ай бұрын

@@grygaming5519 Best part is, we've had games that focused only on hardcore gamers. You know what happened? Generally they immediately died, because there weren't enough people subbed (or buying MTX) to support them. Hardcore gamers *need* casual gamers in their game to more-or-less subsidize their gameplay, at least in the MMO context.

A big issue Class design always faces when giving the players options is that some options are often better than other and at that point it's no longer an option.

@TenchiSawada

8 ай бұрын

I think this comes down to the two minute window coming too rigid. What would be interesting ( in my opinion) would be multiple routes of rotation but your Party composition would dictate which one would be optimal. But EVEN THEN adjustments could be made inter party to do more damage during certain phases based on holding buff windows or alignment in different ways. A nuanced way of saying, make the buff window a bit more seperated. Like a Ninja, Dragoon, Dancer, Summoner DPS line up would have a different 'burst window' from a Samurai, Blackmage, Machinist, Monk Combo.

@sirnonsense5033

8 ай бұрын

@@TenchiSawadaone of those teams just would be better and the other wouldn’t get into partyfinder. It would just create a meta of team classes allowed and everything that isn’t in it would be denied.

@TenchiSawada

8 ай бұрын

@sirnonsense5033 i think if it were more balanced where the dps diff is minimal. I would say I don't want Damage checks that only certain job comps can meet. I would say make the dps floor a certain level and give more freedom for optimization. I think clearing the fight has different requirements than parsing/optimization. I used to parse but the amount of hoops, gate keeping and overall just convoluted shit you need to do to optimize was annoying. I think parsing in ultimates is counter productive. As i care more for clears. BUT I can see the appeal to other people So if people are that anal about party comps then that gate keeping and toxic parties will happen regardless of job diversity

@Zantetsudex

8 ай бұрын

We call this the illusion of choice. WoW has had this problem since its inception starting with the talent tree system; What good would an intricate and elaborate means to customise your character do if you can just go for the cookie cutter build designed to be ideal?

@strawberrysundaes

8 ай бұрын

@@Zantetsudex The issue with WoW was definitely illusion of choice. Wow! Look at this crazy skill tree where you can get any skills that you want! Or you can all-in on this specific type of ability! Oh.. Oh wait? It sucks ass?? It does fucking nothing?? Oh... Oh no.

As a 1.0 veteran, with raiding and everything, I couldn't hold myself when he talked about the attribute points 😂 Man those points have been so useless for anybody it was ridiculous. Even after over 10 years I like the content cycle, because you have time to play other games and don't have something to farm everyday. Many changes aren't in favor of the hardcore community, but cmon lynx played the game for 6 cute years, so he didn't even know the dark ages, let him be a bitter guy and go to another mmo again ❤ 😂❤

@IXHebiXl

7 ай бұрын

I mean also with how much he apparently played the game he played it like a full time job. Quite literally with how much time he put into the game in the period he played is past the point of hard core gaming, that is in the territory of an addiction.

@tenshifx

5 ай бұрын

I stop play ff in jan/2023, to play lost ark, now im back dec/2023 and the only thung i need do is The msq and relic quests, now im The way tô clear dsr/top

Actually, if they did consolidate things into one button combos you could start having branching combos like you do in many action games. You know like in some later Tales of games with x,x,x,y being different than x,x,y,y. Stuff like that. So you could actually implement further combo complexity while taking up less space on the hotbar if you want to look at that method. EDIT: Oh, I should mention I guess for more clarity for folks not as familiar with what I'm talking about. Those different combinations would of course be better in certain situations. Some for aoe, some for one target damage, maybe even one that ends in a buff/debuff, etc.

@Maria_Erias

8 ай бұрын

This is actually kind of how Monk works now. You've got your damage-up buff which is on an every-other-combo timer, and your DoT which is on an every-third timer. So, for me, that's 2, shift+3, shift+4, then 2, 3, 4, then 2, shift+3, 4, then 2, 3, shift+4.

@carbonide1290

8 ай бұрын

But the million dollar question is: Would SE actually implement more branches for different classes and more interesting abilities, or would they just reduce it to one button without gaining anything else in a job?

@kazutsuki999

8 ай бұрын

It kind of make sense but I'm not sure it will work well. for example it fit SAM perfectly, XY for Yukikaze, XXX for gekko, XXY for Kasha. however even after playing sam for 1year, I know where I stand in my combo only because of the position of the button, I don't know their icons at all. I would need to learn either the icons or their animations, which is not very friendly for new players. so it fit action rpg where cd is under 1s but not FF14 with 2.5 gcd, and tales of series would force you to stop moving a whole sec to make you know combo ended.

@Maria_Erias

8 ай бұрын

@@carbonide1290 I think they would. It would really help solve the button bloat problem as new expansions come out. So now, instead of them having to figure out how to add a new ability or two to each job, they can add a new combo that does something different. Then, the only problem with that is that eventually, they're going to run out of things to add to each job (damage buff, DoT, enemy vulnerability, etc), AND every job will have essentially every ability in some fashion. Which would just go back to making every single job the same as every other one.

@pepekovallin

8 ай бұрын

​@@carbonide1290that right there is why I wouldn't support 1 button combos, I'm a new player, so I don't know anything about FFXIV pre-shadowbringers, but I've seen many videos about class features that just disappeared for no apparent reason, if SE actually gave something to compensate the loss of an ability I would 100% support making a single button do a specific combo (if it was something like OP's comment)

The wildest thing about the actual skill points, is that they still DO exist in the game - on the relics. But wouldn't you know it, you just dump all your points into whatever stat is the best (usually crit and then either det or direct hit) and stop thinking about it. Same level of depth. Its not a choice, its the illusion of choice.

1:10 As I saw Arthars put it, your 1-2-3 isn't something that requires skill anyway, so freeing up that hotbar space allows for more buttons to be implemented, either gcds or ogcds because that's 2 less buttons bloating literally everyone's hotbar.

@chloe5886

8 ай бұрын

@@RobertoNeveeven when i play modern on sf6 i still get my ass kicked by the same people that would anyway, yes modern helps make combos a little easier but there’s so many other game mechanics and theory to understand to be good, same applies to ffxiv, condensing 123 wouldn’t be an issue lol

@Castersvarog

8 ай бұрын

I’ll be blunt, I would be so heavily dissuaded to touch this game again if they did that. Because despite the 1-2-3 being so simple it makes up so much of your rotation and there’s a feedback with rotations and some jobs aren’t just a 1-2-3, MNK doesn’t stick with the same buttons in a row it’s constantly shuffling and SAM has three different combo paths. If it was a toggle, I’d have no issues because it’s just an option. But if it’s one button combos or bust then fuck that my hands will get RSI like they do when I play SMN

@crystalcoffman1042

8 ай бұрын

my entire thing is if they consolidated those buttons than that adds 2 new buttons that they can be creative and unique (hopefully) for each melee/tank/rdm

@free_manipur_from_india

8 ай бұрын

@@RobertoNeve Motion input is different than FFXIV "combo" tho, motion input actually have frame difference and affect someone's play style (Guile motion input indirectly made him a defensive character) FFXIV "combo" system have none of that, after 1, your next combo should be 2, and then 3. There's no such thing as 1-3-2, or 2-3-1

@RrowdyBeast

8 ай бұрын

@@Castersvarog It would be better for "simpler" jobs like the three-hit combos on Tanks; Arthars mentioned putting new buttons on the freed-up buttons and Monk doesn't need that (imo) while I can see maybe either ogcd attacks or augments being a thing for Tanks to keep up what would be more passive mitigation currently, something like that It's not to simplify, but to make more complexity without adding more buttons. If anything, it's to make things 'closer' to Monk rather than the other way around

I bet this guy is mad that TP got taken away because not being able to use sprint as a melee or tank was sooooo fun and suuuuuch good design.

@cyanmage1

8 ай бұрын

there is a 0% chance he played the game when that was still a thing otherwise he wouldn't be wanted the rest of the stuff from that era back outside of the 2 min burst window meta the game has only gotten better with each expansion

@anthonyspearman3656

8 ай бұрын

"I have to sprint. NINJA GIVE ME GOAD"

@Adu767

8 ай бұрын

He literally started playing in Stormblood and complains about the removal of the things he was never there for. He later complains about these things being missing despite making videos about how good FF14 raiding is during a time when those things were gone. He's literally going back in time to look at all differences between then and now to make an argument for why things have gotten worse despite having no actual frame of reference. It's just bitter contrarianism.

@jin6186

12 күн бұрын

@@cyanmage1 Bruh this guy has been raiding for almost as long as Xeno as he also always clears content early, he's not a nobody with no logs, he was definitely a pretty good tank.

@cyanmage1

12 күн бұрын

@jin6186 thought he started in stormblood after all most of these changes went into place except the 2 min meta which players begged for during stormblood since jobs were being excluded for not having buffs that lined up, the current version of the game is what players asked for and while you think you don't want it I would rather have this then the broken mess changing it would bring at least now I can play what I want find groups

Xenos is on another react level entirely. Making a 15 min vid into a 2 hour essay analyzing and discussing every minute detail. And im here for it 😅😂

@marslara

8 ай бұрын

What "react" content is suppose to be 😂 It's actually transformative

@BlaxxShadow

8 ай бұрын

Like Xenos is the only react channel I've ever consistently watched in my life because I hate react videos as a concept, but he just adds so much to the table with practically no editing that content creators normally have to make full edited videos over lol.

@HowlingDoom

8 ай бұрын

I think called this a react is wrong. It's more an analysis video.

@paledrake

8 ай бұрын

It's a bit ridiculous how dragged out his points are or how often he repeats them, though he is a streamer and this is from streams so it makes sense. Thank god we can speed up or 5 second skip on YT though.

Fully agree with Xeno on the acceptance of what kind of game FFXIV is. Lynx is one of those people that want to turn playing FFXIV to be like their job, and our lord Yoshi-P made it clear that it's not that kind of game. Yoshi-P basically said(not literally), "Pay us to play the game we put out. You run out of stuff to do or don't like the stuff we put out? Play another game. Come back when you want to play OUR game. It's still gonna be there."

@DougDimmaDingus

8 ай бұрын

It’s so nice not to have to do sorta mandatory daily’s.

@chelsthegameruiner8669

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I already play Destiny 2 and look at how that game's doing now that Bungie is effectively demanding all your time by using FOMO tactics

@richardshiflett5181

8 ай бұрын

Lynx wants to turn FF14 into WoW. FF14 didn't shine until it stopped trying to be WoW.

@Valkross9

8 ай бұрын

@@denofpigs2575 It's fine if you don't like the direction 14 is going. You can stop playing. That's the whole point.

@Valkross9

8 ай бұрын

@@denofpigs2575 Point still stands that if you don't like the game, you can stop playing. It's good that you understood the assignment.

Dude acted like warrior's cone aoe attack was the nuttiest shit to use and is mad it's gone, meanwhile DRK actually has to do the dance of hitting everything with a circular aoe then move to hit flood of darkness/shadow's linear aoe

@marcuscorvin9998

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, i've seen so many WAR tanks miss half a pack pull with that. Now the Dragoon Circle AOE pole dance removal was something to get mad about.

@jespersamuelsson5507

8 ай бұрын

MNK has this aswell, and I have to say, doing AoE packs without going out and doing a line aoe between gcds, would be very boring. It makes you do things. Compared to being WHM and just standing in the middle putting up asylum and then doing Holy for the entire Aoe pack without even moving for incoming damage

@GuyN0ir

8 ай бұрын

I’m incredibly mad the cone aoe is gone. Idc how jank it was, like how the range you could use it at was longer than the actual range it hit at. I hate that it was replace by yet another circular tank aoe attack, same as all the others. I hate the amount of homogenization that has happened with tanks.

@cynthiahembree3957

8 ай бұрын

Also him saying that there are no cones isn't true because bard still has a cone along with Reaper and Dancer. Dragoon has a line aoe along with Dark Knight, Bard, Dancer etc. So the whole aoe part isn't true at all. I'm sure I missed some but still

@Corvus7159

8 ай бұрын

@@cynthiahembree3957 Funnily enough, many jobs actually received line AoEs this expansion on top of what already existed. Starfall Dance, Resolution, Chainsaw, Communio, Blast Arrow (technically a follow-up to a line but still), Shadowbringer, and Wyrmwind Thrust.

I love how Xenosys broke this rant video down to how bitter and biased the guy is. And still yet was able to agree and point out the general issues with FFXIV that are valid. "There was more growth on my f-ck-ng head than the growth the point allotment gave you" -Xenosys . Love this response. Xenosys right, I was a v1.0 player and a lot of v1.0 sucked. This Lynx guy mentioning that as something desirable? Get out of here!

9:34 P3S astro. There's a mechanic in which the entire party must take lethal damage X number of times, and then must be healed to full through an infirmity debuff in order to not die. This heal check was rough enough that many parties chose to lb3 it, but if you had an astro, macrocosmos just solo does the entire healing. If that's not a moment of glory, I don't know what is.

@freyalesca

8 ай бұрын

The last time I saw an astro in my savage raids Q-Q

@Straderdelta

8 ай бұрын

Red mage's nickname of being rez mage isn't because of it consistent moment of glory

@joshuaventura1024

8 ай бұрын

Really had my moments of glory back then as BRD on E8S and TEA. It was so satisfying to have a unique uptime during the ice slide + akh rhai by just using Repelling Shot, and helping healers do the freeze esunas using Warden's Paean during E8S. At least this is is still doable, but I can't have that high from TEA anymore where putting DoTs on double bosses giving me massive amounts of DPS due to doubled up procs (while still avoiding killing Jagd dolls but still benefitting from one more source of procs) AST's moment of glory is always being able to line up your star to heal at the best moments you need it like the amount of damage that comes out from E11S and E12S, and I'm glad they still get those moments at Pandaemonium!

Aint no way 15 min video is a 2h+ youtube ract

I don't know how you can talk about moments of glory and not mention that red mage has a nickname that references theirs.

@cyanmage1

8 ай бұрын

I have saved so many runs as a redmage tossing out heals rezing people nothing feels better then getting 6 people off the ground in a few seconds time granted im most likely oom when its over but hey the fight is saved

@negentropyagent7337

8 ай бұрын

@@cyanmage1 guess redmage is the only class which can heal and rez... listen to what the guy in the video is saying bro lmao

@Adu767

8 ай бұрын

@@negentropyagent7337 Redmage can rez faster than any healer AS A DPS which means that if both your healers are down, having a RDM will save the entire run. That is something completely unique to them.

The entire video really does boil down to "the game isn't for me anymore"

@KyvannShrike

8 ай бұрын

Is it not extremely concerning that a massive portion of the playerbase is not only feeling that the game isn't for them anymore but the rest of the community is basically telling them to fuck off?

@tehsigzorz7885

8 ай бұрын

Yes...thats the issue. They are alienating their playerbase and people are talking about it and criticizing the decisions.

@bxnaxmxxnaxx1914

8 ай бұрын

​@KyvannShrike That's the thing though, people aren't. They are asking for change, not saying the game isn't for them. It's just jaded folk who don't like that it isn't going exactly as they want, and want to be right in their personal preferences. So they go scorched earth, or fake deleting a character. (which tbh, at that rate, he should delete the account. Much more easier, if he actually was going to do that. But guess what. He likely just switched to another DC and then overlayed recordings to make it seem like it was deleted.)

@bxnaxmxxnaxx1914

8 ай бұрын

​@@tehsigzorz7885Alienating. more like people are expecting more content cause they are bored, and know exactly what they want. But the few like the original video poster don't actually care for the game any more. They just wanna stir shit.

@boanoah6362

8 ай бұрын

@@KyvannShrike Except a massive portion of the playerbase is NOT feeling that way, the majority of players enjoy the game as it is. The people that usually call for changes to add difficulty or complexity are part of the vocal minority. No offense to most FFXIV tubers/streamers but they are not representative to the vast majority of the people playing the game. For example only 13% of the playerbase has the UwU title, UCoB is 7.7%, that's the highest tier content in the game and it's done typically by less than 10%. On the other hand the game has increasingly been simplified and 'dumbed down' because the players want it, it's not like the devs are just doing it for no reason. If the game isn't for you then it's not for you, simple as that.

As somebody who plays on controller, I mash the shit out of one button until it activates and then move on to the next button mashing the shit out of it till it activates. So if they added more chain combos and condensed the combos down into individual buttons, it wouldn't bother me as long as by them condensing the buttons down. They added some complexity to the classes

@xehant7319

8 ай бұрын

Sometimes people are confused between complexity is straight up useless button, they think adding more buttons will make the class harder, but it will just be more annoying to use. I'm a DRK main, some people think it's a hard job for all the buttons but it's not, it's just 1-2-3 but with a shit ton of oGCD and some of them doesn't give you any real utility like salted Earth. And it's all of this for DRK to have less ATM than GNB, which got simplified the ammo rotation. More buttons doesn't mean it's more complex to play a job, it's just more tedious because a lot of them are buttons just to be pressed

@lynnmatsui

8 ай бұрын

Skills can be queued a bit so all you have to do is hit the button slightly before the GCD rolls around and it will activate as soon as it can, no need to button mash unless you lag a lot. Macros can't be queued though.

@cynthiahembree3957

8 ай бұрын

@@xehant7319 This is how I feel about the level 90 skill for ninja. I only have one one my bar because the do exactly the same thing. The only difference is that one is a gap closer and one is not. I'm gonna double check right now but it wasn't different on launch. Okay the only difference is you can't use one of them if you are bound which basically never happens. I was really annoyed when I found out it wasn't necessary to have 2 just the 1.

people really outting themselves admitting that hitting 2 and 3 after 1 is the pinnacle of difficulty for them when playing

@normalmighty

8 ай бұрын

Tbh I was only against the idea because I'd never heard the multiple combos pitch. Every time I'd seen people talking about merging combo buttons, it was because they just wanted less buttons in general. Meanwhile the amount I enjoy a job corresponds pretty closely to the number of buttons to press. Keeping them separate sounds better than just merging them in a vacuum to me, but merging them and then adding new buttons so the overall count doesn't change is better than both other options.

@Nikzzza

8 ай бұрын

And it's actually harder if you have to press same button constantly for the same combo, you easily lose track on which combo part you're at making it harder to place buffs for the correct GCD. As in normally you press 1 2 3 1 2 3 on and on and know to press 6 before the next 3 to start the buff window correctly. Instead now you gotta keep track which # of pressing 1 you're currently on. That's why I like 123 instead of 1 1 1, it's easier when you only have 1 combo. If we get 3 combos for 1 1 1, 2 2 2, 3 3 3, that changes a bit as you get breaks for when the combo starts and when the combo ends instead of 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

@bluesquirrel0175

8 ай бұрын

@@Nikzzza very true, never realized this until I started playing rpr, it’s annoying to be sure you’ve finished your combo before double enshrouding when your combo is all on the same button.

On the moments of glory, the amount of time I clutched it after someone took my tether by mistake using en avant as a dancer without killing anyone definitely felt like one. I don't think it's mandatory, but it sure felt good to save some loop memes once in a while.

@TotchiX

8 ай бұрын

Moments like that are truly awesome, I agree! Others may not see it as so special and what not, but to you, it feels good, doesn't it? Rightfully so! I had so many "moments of glory" (if you wanna call it that..) where the party died, and I as a RDM brought ppl back so we could continue the fight, or brought a healer back so they could LB3 .. Or as Xenos said, a friend and I had it too, a fight with Warrior and RDM, where we cleared the fight alone, because they kept me alive basically. You can have "moments of glory", and its awesome whenever they do happen!

@navi2710

8 ай бұрын

I think Xeno and many people misunderstoof what he meant by moment of glory. He wasn't talking about pulling off a clutch save. he was talking about preparing for your burst window. In the past you'd save up CD's for the big burst but now everything is effectivley on CD because it falls under 60 and 120 sec.

@crimsonking7179

8 ай бұрын

then he should have made that clear. His using vague terms@@navi2710

@Thundawich

8 ай бұрын

@@navi2710 But.... the fights are designed so that its clearable with every class. The 'moments of glory' are more often than not going to be unplanned, because if they are planned everyone else can do them anyway. That ulti phase where you are saving resources so you can move while doing damage later... the other casters can ALSO clear that phase while still doing damage. Black mage isn't actually gaining anything over the other classes in that situation, its just not sucking as much as it normally would there.

@navi2710

8 ай бұрын

@@Thundawich that is not the issue. ths issue is how majority of the jobs are mostly cookie cut outs of each other with it's own unique quirk. this effects healers the most. Your rotation as a dps and a tank doesn't change between raids. it is almost always the same. and in the case of healers just spam one button and every 30 sec apply a dot.

As someone who played DRG during Heavensward, I remember hitting Impulse Drive like 5 times because the boss would just spin, move around, or the tank was just awful resulting in the same difference. There were times I remember I would just full thrust combo because it was near impossible to get off chaos thrust. Never again lol

The good times of God Kefka. The fact despite putting up Diversion on CD near the end of the fight as SAM my threat would end up threatening tank aggro near the end of the fight.

I'm sorta indifferent about positionals but one thing to note, back then your ranged attack would also break your combo. With the more recent change to ranged attacks, going back to heavensward positionals wouldn't be as bad as it was back then because you could still roll your gcd (suboptimally) instead of holding it until you got to the flank or rear.

@BlitzkriegOmega

8 ай бұрын

I would be down for this compromise. Doing the combo wrong would fuck up the combo, but it would still be safe to use your other GCDs in the interim, so long as they aren't part of the combo.

@Dae-Dae97

8 ай бұрын

I kinda miss when not getting positionals wouldn't give/refresh a buff. stuff like that is far more fun to me. Rn I get so lazy with positionals bc potency alone isn't enough

@cynthiahembree3957

8 ай бұрын

I honestly wouldn't care if they went back to this. I started in ShB but I use my positionals the way they are intended to be used.

Lynx has some point that i would agree with but the way he talks and he complains shows that he is way too full of himself. The way he talks down when it comes to some aspects of the game, he sounds likes these typical gid gud guys and thinks that everythink has to be to his liking.

In terms of the 1,2,3 consolidated into one button - I agree. If making the game more clean / efficient on your hotbar makes it a little bit easier to play then in this instance that's not a reflection of the difficulty of the game itself but rather the quality of life you have with the UI. I'd rather the boss fights be hard / interesting, the UI be clean / easy to use, and more combos. And the old school "moments of glory" this guy is referring to sucked SO hard back in the day. Your class could be considered utterly useless in a boss encounter, an entire raid, or worse an entire expansion and that was true of both WoW and FFXI back in the day. "Hey I play a DRG prior to FFXI Treasures xpac can I play with you guys?" "Lol, no". Glad those days are gone.

@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773

8 ай бұрын

I think people who want to re-live the haydays of MMOs (circa 1998-2006) often forget that half of the content we currently have now was technologically improbable if not impossible back then. The engines, and infrastructure back then were not as robust as they are now. A lot of the MMO grind was baked in as a stop-gap feature to maintain subs. A mask for how barren content was even FFXI is no different today than it was at launch (in features not in content). The RNG low drop was in part so players had to artifically do something before doing the content. Where do we see artificial gatekeeps, MMOs that have cash shops because the goal of those MMOs is to push people to buy upgrade materials (BDO, Lost Ark, and Balde & Soul being the biggest culprits). So yea people wanting to go back to 2000 MMO bullshit are wearing 3 inch thick Nastalga glasses (i think Arthas glasses are 5 inches thick)

@matheusmikoaski5281

8 ай бұрын

Funnily enough I'd make the 123 combo absolute brutal: 5s for it to reset and using any other skill would also trigger the reset. Not for the sake of being hard to manage, but I think this would allow for the combo to be more powerful, as canceling it would be much easier, this give the player something to actually think about when it comes to their rotation, choosing between the payoff of finishing it or using a skill immediately, instead of just following a line like it is currently, easily giving more nuance to classes and good players more opportunity to display their skill.

@Malacite

8 ай бұрын

Eh, the DRG in XI comparison isn't exactly fair because a lot of that came down to ignorance on the part of the playerbase (though the Multi-hit WS nerf hit DRG especially hard) XI as a whole is honestly the pinnacle of job design, with Tactics coming in a close 2nd. You shouldn't fault the game for what shitty, ignorant players do

@Kairax

8 ай бұрын

Ok. on 1-2-3-4-5-5+ I DON'T have enough face buttons on my gamepad to fit all that shit in. And switching bars mid-combo is kinda too hard for my fingers. So just bring pvp shortcuts into pve, literally no reason not to.

@miricobladetail9670

8 ай бұрын

Yes! My exact thoughts. What he described is closer to a "time to shine" moment than a moment of glory.

11:00 This was actually in ARR and not even all the way through, it was elimininated during the 2.4x cycle. After that, I remember Trick Attack being the only effect that needed you to hit the positional for it apply, and that survived until 5.1.

I want some more classes with the samurai combo system where you chain different buttons together in their combo for different effects and set up for their bit burst button

In truth the cross class abilites was one of the major reasons that I didn't try FF14 before Shadowbringers. I did mainly play Wow at the time but I tired other mmos like Wildstar, DC Universe online and so on. When I heard that in order to get all my buttons I would have to play another class I was like nope.

one of the biggest issues for me is the fact that the dumbing down of the classes makes it a real pain to get friends to play since they'll pressing 1 2 3 mindlessly for a hundred hours since the gameplay isn't engaging at all in the early levels

@brotheroftuxdan

8 ай бұрын

That's true and also was something really apparent right after the end of HW (when a bunch of buttons got removed as well). Even now playing earlier stuff in leveling roulette is just boring since you don't even have your entire fucking class anyway. On top of that add the MSQ that would at this point amount to around 200hrs easily and I realize I'd never get any friends to play this game.

A moment of glory i had was surviving a TB as a healer in Euphrosyne haha

@Irisfantasies

8 ай бұрын

I literally had a moment of glory with paladin in barbariccia normal where every body died and i had to kill the boss with 20%hp left i had to use Lb3 for the stack + flare and that shit was glorious 🤣👌

Pressing 1-2-3 combos is barely more engaging than pressing the same button over again- It's insane to me that the solution to healer gameplay being stale is to give them 1-2-3 combos. I might as well bind my glarebroil spell on 3 different slots and press one after the other. WHOA what an amazing and profound change to gameplay, I am not bored out of my mind anymore.

@brotheroftuxdan

8 ай бұрын

What's funny is that technically even in HW healers weren't really that more complex in terms of rotation, but still felt much more engaging to play. I played AST quite a bit during HW's times. Your damage buttons were some upgraded version of malefic, dot skill 1 and dot skill 2, as well as aoe skill. Technically, that's not that much better right? But for me at least the Cleric Stance was a gamechanger. The fact that it had 10s cooldown meant that you had to carefully consider before switching it on to deal some damage, and that made learning fights that much more engaging if you'd want to optimize your DPS.

@christhagod

8 ай бұрын

nah what healers need is dps proc mechanics or a skill mix up. Idk why sage needs a dot for example or why scholar needs an instant cast damage spell, While bards song rotation is aids its procs make it fun even if you press one button over and over.

I gotta disagree with the lack of “glory moments.” If you know your job inside and out, you’ll know how to respond to events almost instantaneously. One example, my friend was doing the normal Ifrit/Garuda fusion fight in Shadowbringers. They still don’t understand how enumerations work and would run away from the party. As a samurai, i repostionioned around the boss, sprinted, and then back stepped into them to absorb the enumeration, enpi, and dash back in. It was such a fluid motion that my friends understood immediately the cool factor in what i had done. Does every job have that gallant moment; i dunno because im a sam, rpr and dragoon main. But man are there ways to recover crazy moments that others dont see. I also dont want fights where its almost a requirement to bring a specific job because they can hero through it.

@rednova2173

8 ай бұрын

Oh I had a few "Glory Moments" myself so I know where your coming from. I was doing a Lunar Subterrane run days ago which I ran as a Gunbreaker. On the 2nd boss fight the Antlion my party's healer goes down along with the two dps after that with the boss' HP still at 52% left..and I Solo'd the rest of that fight because I handled the mechanics along with making proper use of my Gunbreaker skills to keep my HP up when I could. It was my most satisfying moment of the game since I started playing FF14.

@ehko9989

8 ай бұрын

Imagine forgetting the uniqueness of some jobs, like rdm with its dualcast + rez combo or war with holmgang's cd or ast with macrocosmos etc... As a war main, I can't even count the number of encounters where my invuln outmatched all the others because I could actually use it 1 more time. Or the number of times I've seen a rdm save an entire pull by chain rezzing like a madman. And if you want more "specific" moments of glory, ast with macrocosmos is the very definition of what that retarded goofball named Lynx Kameli talked about. In p3s you could just skip the entire healing check for example.

@anthonyspearman3656

8 ай бұрын

Same. Being able to stay on a boss until the last second or snatching a stolen tether (looking at you TOP) and hitting elusive feels so good.

@cassiusbright1062

8 ай бұрын

The other issue with that whole discussion is that Preach was more likely speaking with WoW in mind. This kind of 'glory moment' to the degree where the presence or absence of one job can change an encounter to a meaningful degree should be thrown out the window once you realize the difference in raid sizes and number of classes in each game. In a WoW mythic raid, you can bring one of every class, best you can do in FFXIV is one of each sub-role. You can't make encounters with specific jobs in mind in FFXIV, the raid size is simply too small, it'll just end up putting us back where we were in HW where a bunch of jobs get excluded because they aren't meta, except even worse this time because we have way more jobs now.

lynx is that one friend we all have who thinks, complex and annoying = fun (however we all know that one friend does not do anything besides afk in limsa💀)

@bamberscher_offiziell7261

8 ай бұрын

Lynx was rank 1 Tank in ShB

@grygaming5519

8 ай бұрын

@@bamberscher_offiziell7261 Ranked 1 after all the world first and streamers cleared and stopped playing. its easy to be Rank 1 when everyone else whose better than you hangs it up for a while. Also Mishapen actually gives better in-depth critique....Lynx is a ex-WoW player who skipped and went "ok why did I quit wow" when the honeymoon wore off.

@JJJ42069

8 ай бұрын

@@grygaming5519 the funniest part is he came from wow, the raiding experience and class balance is so shitty compared to 14.

@Dazulolwarrior

8 ай бұрын

I don't think that guy has any friends lmao

I'm defo all for consolidating the 123 combo into 1 button, so long as they diversify the rotation to compensate. Also, i find Lynx's point weird considering he cited Guild Wars 2 earlier. That game does that with its 123 combos.

@sr7olsniper

8 ай бұрын

Yeah this is a good compromise. If they consolidate 123 but then give you 2 branching abilities you can use depending on the situation. So like you can either do 1 2 3 or do 1 4 3 or 1 2 5 or something like that. They other skills also change depending on the combo. That could add a level of complexity while keeping the button bloat the same as it currently stands. I think the dude in the video is just REALLY looking to stir shit up because for whatever reason they got bored of the game. They have a few good points here and there but either they examples are crap, or the rest of his takes are absolute garbage.

@somebodyintheworld5036

8 ай бұрын

I like the consolidation as well but only if they give us additional combo GCD's to choose from, or additional oGCD's. I am concerned that if they consolidate without giving us more in return, the game gets extremely boring. I think the argument that 1-2-3 is more difficult than 1-1-1 and so should be kept in the game is pretty ridiculous. If they consolidated the combo and future ultimate raid clears are done with a 1-1-1 as their main DPS rotation, thats fine. I swear to god I'd lose respect for anyone who tries to invalidate or diminish that accomplishment because they used to have to press 1-2-3 before it was "dumbed down" to 1-1-1, so obviously your clear doesn't count as a "real" clear. Like, if pressing 1-2-3 instead of 1-1-1 is what you think makes you a "good player", I think your standards are rock bottom and you're not actually a good player.

@luri854

8 ай бұрын

I don't want this. I play MNK and it's hard to imagine how bad it will be in one button, plus idk do people forget that with Perfect Balance you can 2-3-1 or whatever? and after a nadi you can start your combo from 3 oe 2? It really depends on the fight and there's so much you can do is why I am in love with monk. Also is they do this I'll be fucking up my positionas because even after so many years I still can't remember which button is which by the picture XD

Incredibly niche use, but on GNB if you are fighting to stay alive, 1-2-1-2-1-2 does come in handy. If you ever have to do this though your group has serious problems, but that said... knowing the option is there is nice. So what I reckon would be a good way to solve this. To open up combo options, put the 2 and 3 of the combo on one button, and have the 1 as the combo initiator. So you could then launch into either combo that share the first hit. Like old PLD combos did.

I went through this entire video thinking ''This is just that one Misshapenchair video from like last year'' and it gets to the end and he actually goes and references it, which makes sense. Both videos attempt to glorify past features of the game as good things that were lost and you can immediately tell they didn't play back then. Nobody who actually played a tank on anything highter than expert roulette back in HW and SB actually have this take on Aggro for tanks, it's literally only cunts who didn't play back then have this take. it's my fucking instant SHB baby detector

On the topic of combos being one button, I personally think it is a great idea as it opens the door for more player error in a way, which in turn leads to more skill expression. Take Warrior for example, if you lose track of your buff and use the wrong combo finisher, that's a pretty significant lose, now imagine if instead of it being 2 different finishers, it was two seperate combo strings. You notice your buff from combo 2 is going to run out after you have already hit the first GCD of combo 1, what do you do? Do you finish the combo for the higher DPS and just get the buff up after? Do you cancel out of combo 1 early to start combo 2 and prevent the buff falling off? And think about if they ended giving you a third combo string as a tank that gave you a small mitigation bonus that lasts as long as a combo on it's finisher to also keep track of to use in prep for raid wides or tank busters? Maybe it's wishful thinking to think they do something like that, but the possibility would only ever be there if they made combos one button.

I really like the idea of having multiple combos... At least, if they managed to make them all do something relevant so it doesn't just devolve to one combo being your 'filler' with another being your 'setup' and a third being like the 'utility' combo that you never use.

I feel like there are so many little moments of glory in FF! Man, every time a dark knight shields someone with a bunch of vuln stacks in a pug just barely allowing them to live... that's so dope! When red mages rez 3 or 4 people back to back. When white mages get to heal a mechanic that's just perfect for Liturgy of the Bell. When dragoons backflip off the edge of a platform and die. I feel like each class has their own iconic moments that occur relatively frequently.

@kidneystone699

8 ай бұрын

Ngl that last bit got me 😂

Guy sounds pretty jaded. Made a few good points but I couldn’t help but get distracted by his obvious anger toward the game in general. Video seemed more of a “hah I told you so” rather than a “hey, look at these points, let’s fix this”.

The irony. Currently, players are upset at WoW Retail for attempting to cater more to the elite players and that it's too difficult. Meanwhile, FFXIV players are frustrated that it has gotten too much easier in time and stagnant. One phrase friends: You cannot create a perfect median for everyone.

This guy just sounds like he's ranting because he doesn't enjoy the game anymore, not because the game could be better, save for a few points he's made. That and he also just sounds like he wants the game to be made for him specifically. I'm bet a big reason though was probably bandwagoning on the "I'm quitting/game's dying" trend. Honestly, he just sounds super salty and bitter.

I remember in Mobius FF (gacha game btw), there were ST, Cone, and AOE(all on screen) abilities. Mobius FF basically copied this from FF14, but Cone AOE is not well received and fell off as an ability design very quickly because why would you not want to hit everything on the screen?

@Dae-Dae97

8 ай бұрын

Omg I remember mobius. Built my Sophi woth only cones lol

i'd be fine with 1 button combos only if we get new shit to fill the void on our hotbars...

@KyvannShrike

8 ай бұрын

But if you've looked at the history of this game every time things have been simplified and removed, we won't get new things to make up for the hotbar space.

@Aschera

8 ай бұрын

@@KyvannShrike not sure what you are trying to argue against... I'm painfully aware of the "history of this game" as i'm a former sam/smn main that got screwed over 3 times, i was speaking hypotheticals in the first place... 1 button combos arent something i actively wish for, i don't wanna play a class that's as dumbed down as modern smn which is why i added the qualifier "only if". 😕

A moment of glory as a DNC: Was trying to clear P12PS P2 for the first time. Both healers died at the end of Classical 2, and there was an upcoming raid-wide and Crush Helm. The caster revived one of the healers, but we needed to survive the raid-wide first and since we didn't get almost any heals after the Palladian Rays, it was looking grim. I ran in between people and popped everything I had - Samba, Waltz, Second Wind, and Improvisation. The raidwide went off and somehow we all managed to survive with only around 1k health left just as the healer got up. He rezzed the other healer the moment he got enough mana, and the other healer got up not a moment too soon to esuna their tank during Crush Helm, meaning everyone was well and alive for Caloric 2. We actually cleared that pull haha.

I will say, the biggest problem I've had with the introduction of the two minute meta was how much more it made me care about making sure everyone is using their buffs on time since now I can easily keep track of it with a simple glance. Kinda hate that it has made me become a lot more toxic in that regard when I'm doing solo heal/solo tank farms and I see usually a BRD or RDM just popping their buffs whenever they feel like. Before the change, while I would try it was a little harder to keep track off/ not always expected in pf situations.

@holo_val

8 ай бұрын

This is the real reason people hate the 2min meta. They say they preferred when "They had to make decisions on buff alignment" but what they really mean is buff alignment mattered a lot less and they liked getting the option to ignore it if it worked better for their rotation. With everyone on 2min, buff alignment can make or break a DPS check if people are playing sub-optimally (as most do). It's actually an increase in communication skill and awareness, and they hate it because of that.

@LuminateTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

If people aren't popping their buffs, I and i mean I just ignore it. If we hit enrage, then it can be brought up, but I don't really care. I hit mine if i'm on a class that has party buffs, and that's it. Can it make people more toxic? Yes, i have a few fc friends and they will complain about some random person in Alliance raid not hitting their party buff at the right time, and i'm like... Does it matter? what are you doing? Parsing in a random Alliance raid? No? then why should it matter to you? or me. I get it, not caring can make other players bad, but you can point it out sure, but it's just something i'm not gonna pay attention to. But then again, that's just me. If it bothers you, then idk what to say other then. does it matter if they do push it or not? Outside of savage content, extremes and ults. I don't think it matters.

@Jade-nn3bn

8 ай бұрын

That seems more like an issue of you being aware rather than the game being dumbed down. I personally like that my burst gets bigger because people use their party buffs at the same time and that its the same for everyone else. The way buffing used to work felt awful, because you only really had your buff for your burst kinda like No Mercy and you would either save it for someone else's burst or suffer having bad damage, both of which felt awful.

@michaelc657

8 ай бұрын

Unless you're playing Ultimate it probably doesn't matter. If you're playing EX/Savage and seeing enrage then it can matter at that point, if you aren't seeing enrage then it's probably mechanics that are the problem and so it doesn't matter because buffs are not going to solve mechanics.

@Lewd_Coffee

8 ай бұрын

@@LuminateTheWorld I say it more in content in of that's meant to be speed kills i.e. solo heals/tank. Zeromus for example I can't tell you how many people I see kinda just being a physical body instead of actively trying to do the fight and pushing their buttons properly

I lost my shit when he brought up the cross class skill. That shit was biohazard man. it was so painful to level back then because dungeon barely gives exp. and it gave no sense of accomplishment doing that. It was just an another horrendous chore.

@ARandomUser5

8 ай бұрын

When he got to that point I literally let out an "I CAN'T" like wtf who would actually ask for that shit back

@strawberrysundaes

8 ай бұрын

It shows that they're someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Cross Class Skills were a fucking MISTAKE and a PLAGUE, they should NEVER EVER come back.

@cyanmage1

8 ай бұрын

so many healer that didn't have swift cast back then ... or warriors without taunt but I do miss have my marauder with all the dps cross class skills and full str gear going into dungeons with only slight more hp then the healers and being glass cannon tank

@greggreyes6869

8 ай бұрын

@@ARandomUser5 bitter ex player who think its their time to shine but overstepped their bitter takes?

if going away from cones is bad, should pld only be allowed flash again for aoe aggro?

What MMOs use combos?

The problem is to assume that giving less buttons will make devs invest more in the jobs to be unique.

On the 3rd boss of criterion I found out you can abuse shukuchi to solo solve the cleaves from the samurais despite being rooted and tether at same time you can buffer it to blink behind, then to the safe spot. Was a moment of glory.

@TenchiSawada

8 ай бұрын

There are plenty of moment of glories to be had with any class. I main Red mage. and I rez it up in Prog Week 1. That feels fcking awesome to me. because getting to see more of the fight, rezzing healer just in time for lb3. Like holy shit. The moment to moment decision making and coming out on top because thats what my class brings is the "glory"

@janekgaganek3871

8 ай бұрын

I had mine on machinist when i roulleted into Stone Vigil and the tank turned out to be a non english speaking base marauder without idea of tank stance. (also their hp was same as mine xd) So i just had the sage kardia me and i kite tanked everything xd

@ich3730

8 ай бұрын

@@TenchiSawada Hmm imo that was one of lynx' good points. RDM is the only exception because it has an ability that no other dps can mimic. But the rest? Whats the difference between dragoon, reaper, NIN, monk besides cosmetic and dps numbers on the meter? Its not like dragoon deals bonus dmg against dragons or reaper having interactions with its void avatar. You could reskin them both into any flavor you want and not change anything in gameplay. Same for the tanks, their toolkits are so generic that you could reskin them all into one another and not notice. Bonus complaint: Why the fuck is paladin designed as an off-tank when its literally THE GUY WITH THE SHIELD? xD

@HowlingDoom

8 ай бұрын

​@@ich3730probably why it's meant to be the off-tank. It's focused on protecting others, so it covers,lol, the main tanks weak spots. I pulled this out my ass

The more I listen to Lynx talk, the more I just don't care what he has to say. His lack of experience and breadth of knowledge in gameplay design really shows that he doesn't really know what he is talking about. It's like, "You know what is dumb? Basketball. Why don't we add another basket really high up so you can score 5 points. Wouldn't that be cool? 1 basket is for chumps. It makes the sport easy."

I didn’t initially like the idea of 1 button combos but thinking of it slightly differently, in the way of binding ( as far as tanks go ) the second combo button to the first making way for a second potential combo sounds effective and useful. If this is used to homogenise tanks further it will drive even more people away from the role on top of people being scared of what little responsibility you’d need to take onboard. I’ve had moments of glory on dark knight just managing mitigations with the minuscule self-healing, mechanics and invun.

come to think of it. a ''moment of glory'' I had was in the second raid fighting the 905P-operated Heavy Artillery Unit in puppets bunker. Most my alliance died other than me and two others, left and one other alliance had 4 peeps and the last alliance had 5. from 35%. we stayed and killed the rest of it. its was probably the most focused i have been and the chat was going crazy lol. praise to the two healers and one red mage we had left with us lol

Just finished part 1 like 20mins ago lol nice. Is it crazy that I am a hardcore raider and I definitely don’t want my rotation going o be any harder

Overpower for Warrior was so bad back in the day people levelled Gladiator to 15 to run Flash as their starter aggro puller just to make Overpower usable.

imagine if ninja still had their aggro tools, the trolling potential with those was gigachad tier.

the 1-2-3 combo isn't something that requires much skill to do anyway, but at the same time I feel if there isn't something else in its place it will make every job feel like how Healers feel now. I am fine with the 1-2-3 combos being reduced to one button, if some interesting mechanics to each job comes in to take its place. What that is, I don't know. I am no game dev. But one of the PRIMARY reasons why I bounced off Bard was because the filler gcd rotation was basically one button. at least Healers have something else to manage. Something like adding more GCDs or branching combos is a good idea.

They could condense some actions into one button no problem. Enshroud and Communio, Arcane Circle and Plentiful Harvest, Ikishoten and Ogi Namikiri, stuff like that.

Whenever someone talks about something being empirical or objective and so on when it comes to any entertainment I gotta call BS on their motivation. The reason there are people who are fans of different genres is because gaming is obscenely subjective. The guy who made this video sounds like he has an empathy problem.

30:55 "a game is not going to be made free, and be insanely popular, and continue to deliver content for free" Team Fortress 2 is the only exception I can think to counter that. Even though content has slowed it still gets some.

@irishsage2459

8 ай бұрын

Warframe says hello

Removing positionals could also open up room for tanks to get more of a job. They can lead the boss into different and more interesting ways without needing to worry about fucking up melees. Turn the boss to make the boss look at a mirror so it hurts itself with it's attack. Now tanks have a mechanic where they need to keep track of where the mirrors spawn. Everyone except tanks gets locked in place. Now tanks need to make the boss look left so it's attack misses the people who are stuck. Then tankswap to make the boss look right so it misses again. The boss is charging up an attack but it takes a lot of energy, hinted at by its voiceline. The tank starts making the boss run around a lot and it makes it fumble it's cast. And so on and so on. Could make tank more interesting to play.

@loganboyajian9932

8 ай бұрын

There's already a tool for melees to hit their positionals when the boss is moving or turning, it's called True North and Square would absolutely be free to put a mechanic like that in even with melees having positionals

moment of glory? Monk is one huge moment of glory from the 1-st second of the fight to the last one. When u do your rotation perfectly and all timers snapshot and align it is just a straight serotonin injection. Yes it is not what it used to be (i vividly remember clearing Alexander savage tiers and the version of monk from back then) but still u feel engaged more than on any other job in the game (in my humble opinion of course)

@silvereclipse123

8 ай бұрын

being able to move phantom rush into raid buffs optimally in p8sp2 is better than drugs

1 button combos wouldn't work for monk

@FearedKamil

8 ай бұрын

They could make it work though.

There are sporadic legitimate complaints in there, but most of this just comes across as like... you're so angry/upset about the game that just everything turns you off about it. It's basically like getting the ick over a game.

I feel like more irrelevant Lynx had become, more clickbaity or drama seeking his videos have become.

For the 1-1-1 and 1-2-3 debate, how do you do for black mage tho ?, For other classes, i'd prefer the 1-2-3 simply because i find it way less confusing and practical, even tho indeed 1-1-1 could bring more stuff to a job.

@GrayAsakura

8 ай бұрын

This thing already exists as addon btw. Lookup xivcombo. B4 switched to F4 and Freeze switched to flare automatically depends on your state

@esra013

8 ай бұрын

This is better applied for jobs that their 1-2-3 serves no other purposes other than gradually increasing potency and resource gathering. For classes like BLM where different button have their different purposes, the button simplification naturally can't be applied . For jobs like RPR, NIN, DNC, MCH, All tanks and by some extension DRG. What is the difference between their 1, 2, and 3? Only NIN and DRG can be negatively affected by this change due to their rotation having positional in it and consolidated rotation will make it harder to identify which button have positional. But at the same time NIN and DRG positional is one of the most braindead positional rotation out of all classes.

@KooriKurayami

8 ай бұрын

@@esra013 not at all, there is already a plugin that allow you to consolidate a class of you choice. and in the savage and higher you need to look at how the button change and still tracking your resource to avoid overcapping ninki anyway so imo even consolidate all melees basic combo into 1 or 2 buttons without compensation is already a good change. it would reduce button bloat and they can give us more ogcds at the worst. and NIN is almost 1-2-3 most of the time except when you need to refresh huton which if you don't care that much you can use the new green gcd that refresh huton

Even summoner, the posterchild for dumbed down jobs in this game, has the ability to res and save a run as a moment to shine. I have been there ressing a healer when lb3 is up and it’s awesome

I forgot about the attribute points, and I was one of those unfortunate souls that had to transfer them between Intelligence and Mind because I was a SCH/SMN main in 2.0...

I do agree with the healer critique, It's why I main Sage now over WHM. Sage you've got to weave abilities together as opposed to just "1 click - done" and makes content more enjoyable and less "I have to keep eating my lillies because blah"

Imagine using Cover on a SAM using LB3 and keeping them from getting killed with knockback while in the animation lock. Or in a dungeon using a clutch LB2 as DRK last second to keep the partywide AoE from wiping the party and finish the dungeon.

@cheesemuffin8129

8 ай бұрын

You have to imagine it because it ALMOST never happens.

@Darkflyer71

8 ай бұрын

@@cheesemuffin8129 That is exactly why it is a "moment". Why it stands out from everything else. That is his point exactly!

@adambaker4590

8 ай бұрын

@@cheesemuffin8129 Yeah... That's the point. When it DOES happen, it's hype. If you have hype moments all the time, it's not going to be exciting...

@SlimeyCube26

8 ай бұрын

my favorite moment as a sch was when a dps had a tank buster coming and my critlo shield save them

@Fa1nTy

8 ай бұрын

@@Darkflyer71 Moments that arise from covering for other peoples mistakes don't feel as good as moments to stand out because you played well. It feels bad to save a party in XIv because even AI bots could do better than the players you are trying to save

Red Mage moments of Glory: Anytime the healers die and Red Mage can Rez 4 people one after the other. I've saved many a run with those cheaty-rezzes. (Edit: Also a Dark Side of Glory variant for RDM is stealing LB3 to blind the party and potentially wipe it on purpose or force the multi-rez situation. lol)

They sort of did the one-button combos for SMN with how different summons change your skills. I absolutely love it, it's so comfortable to use. I don't quite like how simplified the job got, but of all the changes they made, this one I definitely like. The complexity of SMN is a bit weird with how after level 50 you care about positionals, i.e. you need to think about where your summons will appear to maximise aoe spread, then you hit 90 and it doesn't matter any more. It's like they replace positionals with a tighter rotation, so the thing you start looking out for is "will the boss let me stand in place for 3 GCD casts so I can summon Ifrit, or do I have to summon Titan". Anyway point is, I can gripe about a lot of things related to the SMN redesign, but the contextual skills are definitely good. More, please. >You could put it in intelligence! >??? I AM PLAYING A DRAGOON !!! QFT

One thing that sticks out to me is his complaint about Melee directionals and the bosses having massive room wide hit boxes for upkeep, he directly mentions it as a negative... But, and this is the giant big BUT that contradicts his entire perspective, is that that was asked for BY THE COMMUNITY! Players complained about not being able to keep in the fight when doing mechanics, that's why the hit boxes were increased for a near complete upkeep. Everything he complains about is something the community has asked for, the game is simply not for him (as made clear by him deleting everything) but he still feels like he has room to speak here. Don't get me wrong, he's entitled to his opinion on the state of the game, but he's not the core demographic nor is he even part of the community, his video is just complaints about how the game doesn't cater to his tastes. You know what FFXIV needs? It's not more high-end content, it's sustainable fun midcore, you know what else it needs? Overhauls to a lot of it's base features and housing and more story content. You know what FFXIV doesn't need? Another useless video claiming FFXIV is dying because it doesn't have more complex rotations (as if anyone ever thinks a rotation is fun/engaging on it's own). I said it before and I'll say it again, FFXIV has not changed, at it's core it's a casual MMO for casual players that also happens to have high-end content for people that want to do it. This isn't a downfall, it's a lull in content, nothing more and nothing less.

@fixo5132

8 ай бұрын

"it doesn't have more complex rotations (as if anyone ever thinks a rotation is fun/engaging on it's own)" : Complexe rotation are cool and people love optimising rotations , even semi casual. It's just about option , and skill ceiling / floor.

@dracodragniel8648

8 ай бұрын

I would have to disagree with you there, FFXIV wasnt always a casual MMO, in heavensward the difference between being optimal and non optimal meant having a dungeon go from 20 mins to 40 mins. My favorite Era will always be heavensward because maining a job back then actually meant something.

@rhael42

8 ай бұрын

You really just said he's not part of the community and doesn't have room to speak... because he doesn't fall in line with the majority??? Yall are the ones that invaded the community and got SE to cater to _your_ tastes. FFXIV absolutely _has_ changed and you're arguing in incredibly bad faith to claim it hasn't.

@boanoah6362

8 ай бұрын

@@dracodragniel8648 Not that I remembered, but even then that sounds pretty normal, like how only optimal DPS could clear the demon wall, doesn't mean it's not casual focused.

@boanoah6362

8 ай бұрын

@@fixo5132 Sure, they can be cool, but the optimal rotation is pretty much going to be the same no matter what with only minor variation. It's not like you can weave together 3 different skill trees or something, you're just playing your class and you're either doing optimally or sub-optimally. Besides, a rotation is a rotation, it's a loop, it's the most simple and monotonous part of the game.

I'd think it'd suck if we only have one chain combo, and that's it, but the idea of giving tanks back their multiple combos would totally make up for it. I miss maintaining resources on tanks SOOOO much. If we could get anything like that in any capacity I'd be more than happy. Can't really say much for DPS, but healers are on a one button dps rotation anyway, giving them more options in the form of chain combos could be great for variety.

Completely with Xeno on the Warrior stuff and "moments of glory". I love being able to live through things that would make other tanks drop, but even more I love being the reason a whole entire pull was saved. It's one of the things I'm really hating about the anabaseios tier and the body checks and invuln piercing. It's so much more fun to invuln and then cover/nascent a healer and drag the entire party through at a moments notice with no pre-planning than it is to go "someone died, there's a body check, just wipe and start over".

@GoatOfWar

8 ай бұрын

Wasn't the entire argument for warrior mains begging for more dps that your utility didn't matter? Fucking snakes. Yeah, i'm sure you're having a great time playing a direct upgrade over my class after endless arguing over a 2% dps difference.

I like no one talks about Accuracy as a stat and how cringe it was back in ARR and HW.

I don't understand the consolidation of combos in one button drama. Just make it an option. So everyone can use the way they like.

@Feast_

8 ай бұрын

I used to be against it until I started playing Reaper... I struggled so hard to find a good hotbar spread for my skills that I just said "fuck it" and downloaded XIVCombo... Now I'm all for it. Bring on 1 button combos. Give me that valuable hotbar space! But yes I agree make it an option, it'll make the people against it salty and my popcorn's plain rn

@CulturedDegenerate

8 ай бұрын

They can't make it optional because of console players who have a limited amount of buttons. They have to commit to one or the other

@undercoverspy123

8 ай бұрын

how do I decide between Armorcrush and Aoerlion edge in that consolidation?

@temisu_namisu

8 ай бұрын

​@@undercoverspy123two buttons, one for each combo? Could have both move along the combo to make that a little easier to decide on the fly.

@undercoverspy123

8 ай бұрын

So i still have 3 buttons? one for 1 2, then two seperate ones ending for 3 or 4? Or like just two buttons I mash and am locked into ending?

My thoughts about his opinions that no one asked (me) for because the video and react were super interesting from the head of an average casual player who's been playing for nearly 10 years since it was in alpha and closed beta (it's very long, sorry!): He brings up some interesting stuff and despite most of this being an opinion piece, his feelings are still valid, even if I happen to disagree with most of what he takes contention with in the game, although I think he's letting people on the internet get to him a bit and comes across being bitter for the sake of sticking it to the negative folks but that's besides the point. I'll paraphrase his points. **"Bosses aren't interesting anymore and the homogenized job design just makes everything lazy and boring."** Some of this I can agree with and some of it I can't. Xeno mentions that a balance needs to be struck. You need to make the jobs feel just different enough while also making them viable for all content or else you'd have a situation where people will only accept comps made of what is considered meta and if that's the case, why should we even have more than 3 jobs if everyone is just going to pick the same flavor every time? There's a scale here, make the jobs easier to play with less button bloat and make encounters more difficult. Vice versa, if you make jobs harder to play, than the content should be easier in order to make up for the fact that players will need to pay closer attention to their rotations or do much less damage. Personally, I'm all in favor of making jobs easier to play if it means they can go a little crazy mechanically with fights. But not everyone is going to be happy with having their attention divided so much during a fight. I remember back in the day that if you messed up your rotation, you'd *feel* it and if anyone is like me, it can throw you off massively, you fall out of your groove and then you find yourself getting hit with all types of things because your concentration is in shambles. Or even worse yet, having to stop dpsing altogether to make sure that you execute a mechanic correctly or else in some of the more difficult fights, damn your entire party to a wipe. Melee greeding was a thing back then too. I have a friend who I frequently bump heads with because he believe that the homogenization of jobs is also dumbing down the whole playerbase where the game is being reduced to having the difficulty level of a child's game because players are just simply too dumb or lazy to put in work to play their job. While there is absolutely some truth to that, I'd rather have job homogenization to give all jobs a fair shot. I only ask that fights be made just a tad more difficult to offset how easy jobs are to play these days. Otherwise everything does feel boring and easy. **"The game cut a lot of unique things that added layers and additional character development and now everything feels dead. There aren't options anymore."** I disagree entirely. He's mistaking cut things from the game as cutting character progression when in reality, they were mostly changed to streamline the game as a whole. What I mean is that everything he mentions about the cut abilities and other things in the game were done for a reason. Because it wasn't working or it was changed for QoL reasons. Mana Shift barely did anything on top of it already having a cooldown and taking MP from dps that could use that mp to dps. What they did instead is give healers their own tools to recover their own mana so that magic dps didn't have to drop everything to babysit a healer who is most likely just standing around anyway and also give healers that added responsibility of managing their own mana pools. They didn't even get enough mana back to raise properly, it made no sense to keep it so they got rid of it. The stat allocation system was insanely tedious and there was no point giving players the option to allocate stats if everyone was just going to put them into the main stat of their job anyway. Does anyone remember how annoying it was having to reallocate those stats every single time you had to swap jobs back then? Good Gods it was awful and annoying. It doesn't make sense to give options when realistically, there is only one option. So instead of forcing players through that excruciating nonsense, they changed it to that stats just reassign themselves automatically upon changing jobs. Now people could freely swap jobs on the fly to suit any encounter or situation they wanted. Lastly his point about leveling other classes to gain abilities from them was arguably what I despised the most about the job system back then. There are better ways to incentivize players to play other jobs than forcing them to play a job they don't want to or have no interest in just to gain one ability on their main job. Again, everyone just took the same abilities from the same classes, so what they did was that they just gave those abilities to a shared role so that players would not be forced to break their enjoyment of the game and of playing the job they like by forcing them to go through the chore of leveling a separate class for a single ability. I remember when a REQUIREMENT for being an effective healer was that you NEEDED to have swiftcast in order to raise people faster and instantly instead of having to hard cast. So every healer who wanted to take their job seriously had to go out of their way to level thaumaturge to unlock swiftcast and then shelve the class and never play it again because they got what they wanted. It was annoying and I'm glad they changed it into being a role action shared amongst them. Might as well since that was what people were doing anyway. So him being upset that the tedious leveling of other jobs to unlock an ability was cut to make things easier baffles me honestly. I find it hard to imagine that someone actively wants to make things needlessly harder for themselves because they want to say they worked extra harder for it is kinda weird, but whatever, I digress. **"Bosses have extremely large hit boxes and that eliminates the responsibility tanks have to reposition bosses. I also hate door bosses."** Well okay, this is mostly subjective on his part because I can only say that I don't really mind door bosses. I do agree that bosses repositioning themselves is an annoyance, especially for me who mains Monk, a melee job that ALSO has positionals I have to do. It just grates on my nerves when I move to execute an attack with a positional only to see the boss fly away to the middle of the arena at the last moment and now I have to run over to it like a numpty. In my own opinion, I think this can be rectified by doing 1 of 2 possible things. Either get rid of positional skills altogether OR in boss encounters where there is a lot of movement involved, to simply make the boss omnidirectional. Like what they did with Bozja. I know a lot of people will side eye me and mention true north, which is obviously good, but the problem with that is that you only get 2 charges of it and it has a cooldown, so once you use both charges and it's on cooldown, what then? You'll be right back to square one. Maybe change true north to a stance instead of it being charges on a cooldown. That could work too, I think. Similar to how healers had cleric stance back in the day and you had to juggle it on and off if you wanted to help dps as a healer. Anyone who played back in the day will know what cleric stance was. **"Overpower on warrior was better as a conal aoe than as a circle. It got rid of dynamic movement."** No idea what he's on about here. By dynamic movement, does he also mean how annoying it was that when you pulled larger packs of mobs in dungeons or raids that you couldn't hit everything and a few mobs would break away to attack other party members so you'd have to run back and spam the button in the hope that you could somehow clip it and take aggro back? Because I remember how painful that was and how annoyed I got watching mobs run right past me because my overpower wasn't large enough to hit them. Changing it to a circle was a massive improvement. I don't understand his reasoning on how he thinks nerfing an ability of a job to make it vastly inferior to the options that other jobs have just because he wants to move around a little extra more makes any kind of sense. To conclude, all in all, he just seems to not like the direction the game went and pines for the glory days of when the game was way more tedious than what it is now. Which, he's within his right to want. There are other games that can give him the tedium he's looking for where he can waste his time for what he perceives is more engagement to his heart's content. I do think though that he should stop trying to provoke negative responses from people so that he can have a perpetual reason to resent the game. But I understand that he needs do what he has to do for that sweet revenue. Living expenses are getting higher and higher these says. It was a good video and worth the watch. I hope he has better fortune in whatever future endeavor he's up to.

@wildinstinct1585

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your pov

@brian1264

8 ай бұрын

What you are calling inconveniences, are also things that give the game some character. More streamlined isn't always better. Overpower for example required a little extra finesse when pulling mobs, there was no reason for it compared to every other circle AOE, but it was something that made WAR feel a little different from other tanks in a dungeon.

@grygaming5519

8 ай бұрын

@@brian1264 I have two skills for you, Infuriate + steel cyclone....there was no need to use overpower unless Infuriate was on cooldown and if you were a good Warrior you always had Infuriate stacks or 50 gage to use Steel Cyclone. Also Ultimatum was a skill in storm blood....So I do not get how great changing overpower to a circle over its cone was a big deal. Half the time you never needed to use it because you had other skills that were better to grab threat in big mobs. If you couldn't hold threat or use manage your gage then I hate to say it but you'd need more practice.

@RyuNoZero

8 ай бұрын

the with the Overpower change is.. they made it Circle *after* we already had Mithril Tempest, yes Conal Overpower didn't hit everything but you just could spam Mithril Tempest instead. imo they just should've switched the Skills around, Mithril Tempest at lvl10 and Overpower as Cone, later.

Making combos into 1 buttons really don’t make the game any easier, just freed up hotbar spaces. I don’t get why people thinking pressing 123 is somehow harder than pressing 111. It’s literally same. DRG is my first job, and never, I mean NEVER, even once I loses a 12345 combo cause I “don’t know” what I should press next. Maybe I brain farted and did the same combo twice, or I fat fingered and pressed the wrong button, but no, not because pressing 12345 in order is in anyway “hard”. When you spend enough time on a job, your finger just knows where it should go next. You could say the game is getting easier and easier, which btw I think it should be from what I know about past xiv mechanic, but making combo into one button is just not that.

tbh I didn't expect much for this exp, because xenos said it : '' square don't love you they love money '' and they've spent some green on hardware so; insert the cup here : revenue , spending , game budget '' you cannot over fill this cup ''

I will say one thing in regards to the differences between overpower being a cone and overpower being a AoE radial circle is when it was a cone you never had to worry about whether or not your ability was going to hit. You could spam it until you were in range and it wouldn't fire it off until then. When it became a circle, you could end up hitting it too early because it does not require a target and and end up missing on your pool which isn't that big of a deal. But it was a nice quality of life thing. In terms of a rather, I should say ease of use for initial pulling cuz you always had the enemies in front of you. You just spam that shit and then tag them and you're good to go now. I'll still take the circular AOE for in the thick of it, but it was nice having that ranged cone pull

Covering a healer so they can healer lb3 feels like a moment of glory for me. Like, recognizing when a wipe is about to occur and using your kit to prevent that is still possible on a lot of jobs. I've had times where i know my party is about to fail a mechanic so i crit shield myself and healer lb3 after, its not something thats tank exclusive. Just be creative with your kit and you'll get moments of glory lmfao.

@jhalilxvii

8 ай бұрын

Had a my fair share of this happening whenever I play DRK. TBN has saved more runs than I can count.

@Adu767

8 ай бұрын

Just let your healer know if you're going to do this... had a party wipe mechanic, found out I was still alive somehow, but was so confused I thought I was lagging. Died to the mech that happened 2 seconds later because I wasn't positioned for it.

My moment of glory was when I was playing as a rdm and one of the healers had left the party, leaving one tank, and two dps. The tank wanted to continue without the healer since they had me, a rdm in a level 71 dungeon in shadowbringers. The tank and the melee dps kept on getting hit by AOEs and GCDs and I kept on either healing or reviving them. I could’ve been dps’ing the whole time but I rather make sure that the tank doesn’t die because the healer left the party. Another moment was when I was playing as a dark knight when all of my teammates had died during the final dungeon in stormblood. I was struggling for the life of me and was only on 1000 hp. Man that was a moment to remember😊

My best moment of glory is my entire performance in an EX3 group. I’m an idiot, I forget to stance up all the time, and in EX3 it was particularly bad. But no one even died because I had surprisingly quick rxns on Cover. But my favorite moment was when the MT died, I took over, and even though they were up they didn’t have 2nd aggro before a buster went out. So the Scholar got the 2nd buster, and through the power of the kitchen sink, I ate both of them and lived. This wasn’t on content (more towards the end of 6.4), I assume I would have been reduced to ash if I tried that week 1, but it was still an amazing feeling. An absolutely glorious moment.

21:20 I can't even begin to describe how much I miss old style healers. SB Ast was the most fun thing on earth back then with the different ways you could do fights and break them with Ast cards using an Ast and 7 DPS, or 1 tank and 6 DPS. I absolutely HATE w/e the fk Ast is now...

@DrunkenSailors1

8 ай бұрын

Class was perfect, i mastered it in Potd and Hoh, aoe dmg reduction, aoe dmg buff,aoe critical buff, or single target critical buff + dmg reduction buff on tank + mp buff on healer, or HASTE buff, come on fck this they ruined this class it was PERFECT, i still remember as a BLM if i got haste buff it was over, my dps Sky rocketed.I played the game in HW until Early Shadowbringers.I dont like what they did with many classes,especially removing tank dps stances or Cleric stance or Cross skills.

@themorbidkid187

8 ай бұрын

@@DrunkenSailors1 Like it legit felt like a Time mage that healed. The fact that you could apply ANY of your regens, cards, and even SHIELDS ( not that it mattered with shields but you still could) and increase the duration of any buffs applied ( including your own mind pots) with the old Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation was amazing and rly made the class feel like its own thing from the other healers. So with that said you legit controlled the timers of your buffs on ppl. Having the choice between Regens or Shields was great too cuz you could work with ANY party comp and still bring plenty of value to the table. The main point is it was the most important thing in this game, "FUN" something I do not find at all with current day Ast. The cards feel dumb and pointless now for the most part, and it has SO MANY ogcd heals for NO reason at all. Xeno likes to talk about bloat on your hotbar? That whole fkin class is button bloat as it stands. Idk who the fk asked to change it into this BS but they fked up BIG TIME.

@DrunkenSailors1

8 ай бұрын

@@themorbidkid187 cards dont even play a role anymore, they all just give dmg buff, class has turned into shiet and i dont wanna play it anymore, including the whole game unfortunately, i was given some free time log in and i was dissapointed that nothing changed.

@algee6005

8 ай бұрын

ARR WM Stance Dancing > SB Ast facts.

The issue is not so much that they're reducing the bloat button, the problem is that they probably won't do anything substantial to maintain gameplay depth. Look at the rework of the Summoner, they reduced the bloat button, and most of the abilities are now bound to the same button, the problem is that they didn't add anything to the gameplay to keep it deep, the job has become a glorified instant ruin with 99.9% de kit of a ranged DPS with no resource management ''etherflow suck'', very few (OGCD), and no real strategy choice. If they standardize job combos at 1111, as they did with the Summoner's rework, they need to do it in a smart way that introduces interesting resource management and news spells. If they implement these changes as is, there's a 99.9% chance that jobs won't receive any meaningful additions in return. Because there are very few devs working on jobs in the 3rd division.

I can't say that I agree with you that "the biggest strength a game can have is it's ability to make money". I will concede that this is the metric that is currently used to determine the success of a game. I think that games were better before aggressive monetization. I am not saying that games should be free. Everyone deserves to have the means to live as long as they provide something benefit to society. From what I heard you say in this video it feels like you are saying that we should just accept that a marketing team is going to try to trick you out of your money. Why would we accept that? Why do we have to accept the battle pass and 10 dollar "microtransactions" on a game that costs $60 out of the box? I feel like it is giving away personal accountability and basically telling developers and marketing teams "I don't care how you monetize stuff because you need to make money", and then expect them to not take advantage? I guess what I am trying to say is there is a HUGE difference between UNDERSTANDING that a thing is happening and ACCEPTING that a thing is happening. I agree we all need to UNDERSTAND that the fat cats on the top do not care about the game, they only care about money. I would be careful when advising people to ACCEPT these things. I understand, but I refuse to accept, these practices are garbage and they need to change. I think all gamers should be able to agree about that.

Any healer has a moment of glory when most of the party is K.O'ed and they are fighting to stay alive with the tank before lb3 procs.

You do not need 300 buttons to make a game hard, design the boss mechanics accordingly and game can be fun and engaging with even literally just one button to press. People need to play other games, perhaps they'd stop thinking that adding buttons is the only way to have difficulty and engagement with the game. Now if you want to make each job feel unique, you do need multiple buttons and different approaches but not as many as the game even currently has. Just feels like some MMO players like Lynx may perhaps lack some perspective on what's out there.

@theoperator3712

8 ай бұрын

"You do not need 300 buttons to make a game hard, design the boss mechanics accordingly and game can be fun and engaging with even literally just one button to press." Well yes, but actually no. You can have a fun game with very limited buttons, but you can not have an MMO with multiple levels of difficulty that remains fun with simple gameplay. Case in point, Xeno only runs the dungeons once. Why? Because they are brain dead easy and boring to him, because he is used to clearing savage. To put it another way, if you make people farm the tutorial boss repeatedly with a single button, don't be surprised when they quit.

@shawnscouten5184

8 ай бұрын

Nobody is arguing that though, more buttons are one way of adding complexity though and consolidating comboes would let us add more. Also, really fun and engaging with only one button, really? Yes, you can make a fight thats fun without rotations, it would be hard, but you could. But at that point you are just handicapping yourself for literally no reason by ignoring a key part of game design.

@theoperator3712

8 ай бұрын

@@shawnscouten5184 "consolidating comboes would let us add more." Pure, unadulterated copium. The devs have never added a replacement for any mechanic they removed. Whether it be threat, tp, healer damage buttons, or any of the other mechanics that have been outright removed, they have not added a single mechanic to compensate. No matter how crucial or important it was. So it is pure copium to think that the additional design space would actually result in more interesting combat.

@darthdan

8 ай бұрын

​@@theoperator3712 I do appreciate you replying with your view on things but multiple MMOs had fun gameplay and in depth one with much less buttons than FF14. Difficulty layers can be external to the gameplay of your class, depth of gameplay can be external to whatever combos or uniqueness you think your class should have. I do believe that people are really focusing too much on buttons because that's what they are used to from WoW/FF14 formula of what a MMO is and multiple hotbars "because MMO". I also believe you could cut down on buttons in FF14 and still improve difficulty or fun of the fights. I was not really going to reply to anyone here, but I liked your reply despite disagreeing with it and I hope you try other less conventional MMOs and games if you have not already. Cheers

@grygaming5519

8 ай бұрын

@@theoperator3712 I'm going to say you never played an MMO outside of World of Warcraft or Warcraft-estq. Your point of view is far too narrow and that's the problem. Lynx and people who think like Lynx only have World of Warcraft as there 'template' of what an MMO does. There's other MMos and while those MMOs are known only for the shitty practices (cash shops) they do offer complex combat with 6-8 button inputs. Blade and Soul and Lost Ark being the two most complex combat MMO's only using no more than 10 buttons to do anything. As said if you werent around since ARR to Stormblood the meta pull was always Warrior unchains and the Ninja threat dumps. Everyone else just mitigated their threat on cooldown. The tanks never dealt with threat it was just the party made sure to decrease there's. TP was complete and utter ass and there were fights that I can count where the Monk or Dragoon would ask for Goad or TP song due to the length of the battle...the game would not allow you to manage your TP...and needing sprint....well goodbye TP. Healer damage has always been a hot button issue, with the Dev Team specifically stating that Healers should only HEAL and the community going "why, what do we do when everyone's HP is full/near full just contemplate the lint in our bellybuttons?". The push for pure healing has been Dev lead...not community lead.

NIN "moment of glory" - I've literally saved runs in both savage and ultimate by using Shukuchi to swap spots with someone who was going to the wrong spot. P12S, a player was in my spot on Para 2 with the same color tower buff as me, so I teleported to his spot. Boom. Saved the run. UCOB, a tower soak in Dragonfire Trio went to the stack by mistake -> teleported to his tower to sac for it and saved the run. Boom. Moment of glory.

@erwark

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, using Dancer's En Avant to get to the right place at the very last minute feels good. Although it was often it was me correcting my own mistake rather than someone else's...

when xeno was talking about the consolidation of combos and that everyting was one button, couldn't that already be done with macros? like i'm pretty sure you can create custom macros to add skills and stuff into a custom skill and put that in your hotbar i remember learning to do basic macros so i can do my combos just by pressing one button.

"Moment of Glory" as a healer. Literally any time you recover from a wipe by rezing 3 or more party in a role/at once

Just finished part 1. Perfect timing👌

That whole moments of glory thing not being a thing is just so untrue. P10 Savage the other day, someone messed up in the last 0.7% or something, Warrior managed to Holmgang just in time and was the only one alive, they managed to get the boss down. It was such a cool moment

@katiekaliber

8 ай бұрын

That's not really the moments of glory he means though i think. Moments of glory as he said it are specific things you can do in the fights that no one else can because only your class is able to do it. That tank was def glorious and it was a great moment, but any tank could have done it if they had their invuln up, it's not specific to warrior. Back in the day people came up with things like making egi tank in coils and stuff and nobody but smn could do this. Nowadays every role can do everything people within that role can, it doesn't matter what tank you play, you could invuln with all of them, that's not class specific. I'm not saying i agree with this because like xenos said, it will make certain classes mandatory, like smn was back in coils, but i think he just meant it differently. I'd like to see some more class identity though, because i feel esp healers all have the same abilities just with different names and they're too op and it makes them extremely boring to play, coming from a 2 tier sch main that swapped to blm to get the blood flowing again. I didn't even understand how varied you could play the same class because that isn't an option on healer or really any other class. There is one rotation that is the most valid, anything but that is just cucking yourself meanwhile blm has so many different valid rotations, the difference is kinda insane and i'd like more classes to experience the same theory crafting freedom.

@undercoverspy123

8 ай бұрын

Nah War's invlun CD being lower was class specific and probably allowed that clear.

@ryanseager123456789

8 ай бұрын

@@katiekaliber But really what does that matter? That was an amazing moment and would have been for any class. I don't see why not having that moment and thinking "wish we brought a Paladin, they could have done that" would help my enjoyment of the game

Aion used chained combos, which was a nice feature. One skill would open three avenues to pick from.

The moments of glory thing? It's called tight movement mechanics and having a Scholar for Expedience, it's called having an astro in P3S where Macrocosmos made an entire healer mechanic irrelevant, it's called having a Warrior that can heal themselves through most of the fight without any healer input. I also fail to see how saving up instant casts on BLM is a moment of glory, it's what its rotation is like, I don't get it.

The combos on one button should be an option you can turn on. The people who want the extra buttons can have them and the ones who want/need more hotbar space can have it.

@luna_theraider

8 ай бұрын

Kind of like how the buttons are when you play as an NPC during MSQ?

@joevegaxv

8 ай бұрын

​@@luna_theraideror pvp, yeah

@PurpleAlzir

8 ай бұрын

@@luna_theraider I didn't even know it was an option with those instances.

@GoatOfWar

8 ай бұрын

Why the fuck would you want to opt out of an optimal setting?

@PurpleAlzir

8 ай бұрын

@@GoatOfWarI have more fun pressing buttons personally. It is also the main argument I have heard from others against 1 button combos.

Regarding hitting 1-1-1, the reason gnashing fang works as one button is cause it has a secondary combo allowing you to press two buttons, plus this is half the time in a dps phase so you can hit some other things during this combo if you like like the aoe and single target attack and the dive for extra dps. There are buttons weaved in that break up the monotony of hitting one button. By reducing the basic action to 1 button you don't necessarily make it easier... but you do make it feel more redunant. You may say "who cares" right now, but then you play game where you hit 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 and you realize how shitty that can actually feel without more stuff to break up the monotony. This means you need more OGCDs to fill the gaps to maintain an interesting combat flow of your abilities. Is it functionally the same as hitting 1, 2, 3? Yes. Does it feel different? I would say for many people, yes. As someone who also played wow, there are ALOT of complaints about a few one button classes and how bad they feel to play. Is that one button bad? No, but you hit it alot, and much more often than you do in FF. I was doing storm build for enhance shaman and 75% of my gameplay is mashing stormstrike and trust me, it does NOT feel great.

@Jay-mx5ky

8 ай бұрын

Or you can add other combos and gcds instead of requiring everything to be 111. No job in the game other than healers have their combo as their only gcd attacks. You have Ogi, and Ninjutsu and Bloodspiller and all that. The point is to consolidate the combo to have more gcds like Ogi and Bloodspiller to press more frequently, or have a second combo chain where you have a reason to switch which button you press. The game doesn't automatically become a press one button to win game from that.

@Troselingasher

8 ай бұрын

Rewatch the video because you clearly missed the part where Xeno said you could then have other combos than just the 1-1-1

@candykit5382

8 ай бұрын

@@Troselingasher Thats cause that's not what I was responding to. I was responding specifically to him asking what the difference is between 1 2 3 and smashing 1 1 1. I know he proposed solutions.

@Troselingasher

8 ай бұрын

@candykit5382 then use a timestamp to specify what you are addressing. Responding to his rhetorical question but not linking to it doesn't come across as a specific response, rather it comes off like a response to the entire topic. Or you could acknowledge that talking about a 1-1-1-1-1 spam hypothetical is meaningless because nobody is talking about just a one button spam except for the guy who made the original video

@candykit5382

8 ай бұрын

@@Troselingasher I'm too lazy to bother cause I just hit reply in notifications. All Xeno said was he doesnt see the difference between hitting 1 1 1 and 1 2 3. That is all.

One of my favorite things about endwalker summoner is that their main damage spells are literally two buttons. You got the egi spell button and the demi spell button. I guess I'm part of the problem.

This guy's video is the easiest "I disagree what everything you just said" opinion. I do believe what Vex' said, this guy must have experienced something that traumatized him that he's butthurt