The Doncaster Train Collision | Jakeso
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In today's video I discuss the impacts and causes of a train collision between two freight services (GB Railfreight and Freightliner) on the 5th July 2022. We look at how and why it happened and the learning points established by the RAIB.
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Stephen McKay (Doncaster Station)
mattbuck (Peterborough Station)
RAIB Report: assets.publishing.service.gov...
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wake up honey, new jakeso train collision video out
@Jakeso
Ай бұрын
That made me chuckle, that’s a good one 😂
@pdjaf
Ай бұрын
@@Jakeso yay thanks for pin!
@bob-sb2zu
18 күн бұрын
Single manning is asking for problems like this ,safety is a secondary consideration today .
@pdjaf
18 күн бұрын
@@bob-sb2zu wdym
I would say it was due to the same reason the colwich accident happened back in 86, the driver was expecting D197 to go green as he approached it as it always had done before.
Great video!
Yay Jake was waiting for this! Looks epic, you've done a good job dude :) well worth the wait!
Excellent video thanks 🎉🎉🎉
26 days !! To clear this mess up and reopen the line !! beyond pathetic !
@Demun1649
Ай бұрын
You sound like an expert. Why not start your own company, and go for the contracts? You know. PROVE you can do better. I expect you know of the shallow gullies and outflows, the extremely boggy ground, and the fact that access ramps were miles away? Oh, silly me, you wouldn't have posted that if you hadn't.
@Sam_Green____4114
Ай бұрын
@@Demun1649 Better than you that's for sure !
@Demun1649
Ай бұрын
@@Sam_Green____4114 I hate that flag. Occupied us for 800 years, but we won in the end. BLOCKED.
@stevem-h3562
Ай бұрын
No great surprise where Network Rail are concerned. Their contingency planning is beyond laughable.
@Beatlefan67
Ай бұрын
After the worst peace-time crash in UK history (Harrow and Wealdstone) there were trains running - single line - within 24 hours.
Good vid (aside a few very dodgy spellings!). For the Train Sim section, you need to turn off "Depth of Field", which is causing the blurring of anything that is not at the centre of the field of view.
Dear RAIB, why is GBRf allowed to have a "fatigue management" policy? And then simply be asked to "review" this? GBRf should be required to scrap trying to "manage" fatigue, and instigate policies of "fatigue avoidance".
@straightpipediesel
Ай бұрын
It's like mistakes. It's unrealistic and counterproductive to try to eliminate all human mistakes, you must constantly be aware of the risk and manage them. If you wanted to eliminate fatigue, drivers would have 15 minute shifts with 3 day breaks in between. Fatigue is always present from the moment you start working, you must recognize and manage it.
I guess a second man would have probably prevented this
@nounoufriend1442
Ай бұрын
Drives assistant as many female drivers now in UK
@russiandrivers9986
Ай бұрын
Maybe, but he might just assume the driver knows what he's doing
Some might think the driver worked a long week but HGV drivers can and often do work 84 hours in six consecutive shifts without a rest day.
@nounoufriend1442
Ай бұрын
Its more the shift pattern that causes fatigue , six straight days is hard but ok as you keep your sleep pattern
They crashed because one train hit the back of the other train !!!! HARD !!!
A couple of issues: it'ss not just GBrf that has to do a brake tes. it'ss all FOC's and TOCs'. Plus, you mentioned 4E11 being 66729 which yes that is correct, then you said later on in the video 4E11 was being hauled by 66739.
@nedseagoon5101
Ай бұрын
Signed, Mr P Dantic.
Seems like complacency is the culprit here ?
Not quite a head code but a classification of the type of train, according to what materials it is carrying ..each derives from a class…
@nedseagoon5101
Ай бұрын
No, he’s correct. It’s called a headcode. The first number denotes the speed of the train. 4 - 75mph. 6 - 60mph or less, down to 45mph.
home from work get to chill and watch new upload
What’s the minimum crew size for freight trains in the UK? Is it just a driver or is there a conductor as well?
@nedseagoon5101
Ай бұрын
One. The driver.
@Maverick_31
Ай бұрын
That’s a massive problem. There should always be a minimum of 2 crew members on a train.
@nounoufriend1442
Ай бұрын
@@Maverick_31 Use of freight guard (conductor ) and second man (drivers assistant ) ended in the mid 80's in the UK
@Maverick_31
Ай бұрын
@@nounoufriend1442 Jesus what moron allowed that lol. As a conductor for a freight carrier in Canada, it’s essential having a 2 person crew. There’s just too much at stake to leave that kind of responsibility to a single person.
@nedseagoon5101
Ай бұрын
@@Maverick_31 £££ talks loudly!
😮trevor Harris
Nice video game. Can I have ago please.
Hello good video
A 12 hour night shift at the end of a 50 hour week is not only dangerous it’s illegal. We have a maximum 48 hour working week in this country.
@neiloflongbeck5705
Ай бұрын
Unless the worker signs a Working Time Directive opt-out, and then they can work for more than 48 hours.
@lolzlolz102
Ай бұрын
Working Time Directive is averaged over 17 weeks (26 in some cases). Either way the hard limit for the company is max 60 hours per week or 72 hours if overtime included.
@PeterChapman-rg6gr
Ай бұрын
Do we? Are you sure about that?
@DOCTORDROTT
Ай бұрын
not illegal. rail staff can work 11.5 hour shifts for a max of 12 consecutive shifts. With a priviso with permission to run over that in an emergency situation. You have to have a 12 hour off duty between shifts. Worked that for 35 years with no issues. " Hidden report " Train drivers may be "on duty " for 10 hours but actual driving can be as low as two hours . One roster where I was based, book on. take a train to the docks for unloading. two mile trip, wait four hours for unloading. Take empties to another yard 35 miles away. Taxi back to base. Book off.
@chris_3636
Ай бұрын
Two of the shifts were rest day work, which are optional as far as I'm aware, so the driver had more than a little responsibility for the fatigue element. Freight train drivers are on £60k+ a year, so how much is enough?.
Just because a train rarely stops at a certain signal doesn’t mean it never will! The driver should’ve been paying more attention. His fault entirely. Very lucky he wasn’t injured or caused far more damage.
@22pcirish
Ай бұрын
I know this particular driver very well. Please delete your very wrong comments.
@nigelkthomas9501
Ай бұрын
@@22pcirish Why? I speak as I find. Any driver screwing up to this level is obviously not paying full attention. Imagine if this had happened on the ECML proper! He could’ve caused carnage; and he’d probably be doing time, if he survived!
@22pcirish
Ай бұрын
@@nigelkthomas9501 you couldn’t be more wrong.
@nigelkthomas9501
Ай бұрын
@@22pcirish That’s your opinion, and reluctantly I respect it. You could offer me the same curtesy, but doubt you will.
@22pcirish
Ай бұрын
@@nigelkthomas9501 What I know about this incident (which is rather more than is put into the RSSB report) I will keep to myself.
speaking about 66729 in the vid, last October I caught it at Didcot Parkway, which was on the same day I caught 56301.
Did the driver suffer any sanction for this? It would seem to be scapegoating if he did.
@leeowen4989
29 күн бұрын
Why would it be scapegoating? Dude had 3 separate warnings that the line ahead wasn't clear and still drove a perfectly working train up the arse end of another....
I worked 12 hour shifts in the rail industry 11 days in a row, driving 300 miles a day, working as a rail engineer on call outs on wagons and locomotives. Drivers on £60,000.... engineers paid £36,000 a year
@robertbarnett9939
Ай бұрын
So why didn't you get a job as a Train Driver then?
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
Ай бұрын
£60,000? More like £100,000 for freight. I just can't understand why more people (like yourself) don't try to become a train driver instead of bemoaning what they earn.
@nounoufriend1442
Ай бұрын
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne £100k you would have to work hell of a lot of rest days to earn than on freight
10:08 guarantee. Please fix the typo.
When did the TPWS system get converted to Magnetic operation???? That must have been a huge project!
@masonsmainlineroblox
Ай бұрын
started as magnetics
@Alan-ln3ls
Ай бұрын
TPWS is radio-based, while AWS is magnetic. Two different systems.
@masonsmainlineroblox
Ай бұрын
@@Alan-ln3ls nope
@masonsmainlineroblox
Ай бұрын
@@Alan-ln3ls it is two different systems, but is magnetic
@Alan-ln3ls
Ай бұрын
@@masonsmainlineroblox Yep. The TPWS grids transmit a radio signal (several different frequencies are used) which is detected by an aerial on the train. Nothing to do with permanent magnets or electromagnets - that's AWS.
For goodness sake, you do not say "both drivers were not injured", you say "neither driver WAS injured"!
@Midlandstransporthub
Ай бұрын
Both mean the same thing, stop being such a pedant
@droge192
Ай бұрын
You're picking up on that, and not the spelling of "garuntee" ? 😄
@organisten
Ай бұрын
@@Midlandstransporthub No they do not. Both do not mean the same thing. This does or that does! Which is another meaning to NEITHER means the same thing. Both drivers were not injured; only one of them was. This is different from NEITHER driver was injured. So no, they do NOT mean the same at all.
@user-zr5yj1od5q
Ай бұрын
@@organistenI quite agree,alas,grammar is not what it once was
aah but did the train driver lose his job?
@DOCTORDROTT
Ай бұрын
no
@droge192
Ай бұрын
They'll never lose their job through accidents like this - unless their is a *willful* negligence or act. For example; drugs, alcohol, Taking a wee out of the door, with your bag in the DSD pedal, headphones with music on, etc, etc. The closest the driver would have come to deregistration as a train driver here, was not performing the running brake test. But his Union will have got him out of that one, on the fatigue litigation against GBrf. Those were some insane shifts. He should not have been permitted to work *both* of those rest days. I dare say he's learned his lesson and will be more cautious at *all* yellows, double yellows and flashing yellows!
@22pcirish
Ай бұрын
@@droge192I am an ASLEF member and you are talking absolute rubbish.
@nigelkthomas9501
Ай бұрын
@@22pcirish ASLEF: Absolutely Selfish Lazy Egotistical F*!
@nounoufriend1442
Ай бұрын
@@droge192 Lack of a running brake test had no bearing on this incident , we had incident with coal train , no running brake test done first driver knew of no brakes was at cautionary signal (train had not been piped up ! ) No continuity test done as these trains run 24 hours under an enhanced brake test , train passed signal loco derailed on catch points
Is this a lesson in english grammer or an explanation of a rail accident
@1258-Eckhart
Ай бұрын
*grammar
0:42 that’s 66799
@Jakeso
Ай бұрын
I know. I sourced images from people who allowed me to use their images and none of them were the units in question however I didn’t think it really mattered at the end of the day.
@droge192
Ай бұрын
@@Jakeso - agreed. It was a great video!
spelling mistake at 5:10 “reopned”
@Battismore-Blue
Ай бұрын
I bet your fun at parties
@droge192
Ай бұрын
and 'garuntee'. That was my favourite.
@droge192
Ай бұрын
@@Battismore-Blue *you're 😄
Jake, the content of videos like this are too important, and educational, rather than entertaining ...... they are too important to have a garbled voice=over. Whosevers voice that was, needs to admit they ain't a voice professional. Don't spoil such a good video, with well-researched content, by giving it an undecipherable (at times) commentary.
@beeble2003
Ай бұрын
Does reading the RAIB report count as "well-researched"? I mean, obviously, it's not badly researched, but when all the information in the video is contained in a single document, I don't think there's cause to praise the quality of research.
The spelling in the captions is atrocious. 🙈