Remember the good o'l days when dokk cant call echo

@dopescope6718

3 ай бұрын

wait hoow?

@ImSerg

3 ай бұрын

@@dopescope6718when they came out

@Numerounius

3 ай бұрын

​​​​@@dopescope6718 The reason was in the lore Dokkaebi worked together with Echo on her gadget, which is why Echo was immune to Dokkaebi's calls

@MMR650

3 ай бұрын

@@Numerouniusno it was bc they were married or dating

@Numerounius

3 ай бұрын

@@MMR650🧢 What you are referring to is where Echo and Ying were in a relationship, not Echo and Dokkaebi

imagine Lion, Deimos, Dokkaebi and Jackal all hunting down the same operator "-Deimos is targeting you -Lion's scan -Your phone starts ringing -Jackal is tracking your location"

@Grubusss

3 ай бұрын

You hear blitz rapidly closing distance...

@big_foot3814

3 ай бұрын

Team comp ideas in the works already, qnd he aint even out

@donieluong3695

3 ай бұрын

You forgot about Grim, he’s good for map control and takes care of roamers

@adriansole8454

3 ай бұрын

Imagine 5 Coppers using those ops on Jynxzi (including Blitz). I think he would finally break his face cam 😂

@thunderlord3747

3 ай бұрын

*AND BEES SWARM YOUR SCREEN*

I think a great thing they could add to this rework is making her basekit skin naked and oiled up

@Theboyfromjupiter

3 ай бұрын

TELL EM AGAIN‼️‼️🗣🗣🗣

@yerkkoo

3 ай бұрын

I agree

@Placeholder07158

3 ай бұрын

Preach

@_Here_-

3 ай бұрын

wtf

@mgow.8098

3 ай бұрын

@@_Here_- what

I think if she can only call one person at a time then she should be able to gain more calls to make it feel more valuable.

@acola

3 ай бұрын

You say that until she uses more than 2 calls on you.

@crusader7eth163

3 ай бұрын

@@acola but also having only 2 calls to only call 2 people or the same person twice doesn’t really seem worth it. Not sure how they could rework her tbh.

@acola

3 ай бұрын

@@crusader7eth163 maybe make it so you can call everyone once. Or a single person max twice.

@ruverbryh9998

3 ай бұрын

@@acolayes six calls, one for each defender. Then one left over, but you can use the left over consecutively

@cordypants3639

3 ай бұрын

The operator has got to manually turn phone off otherwise she can hack it again

I think instead of it being the same as deimos it should be proximity based. Ina certain range her hack works and if you leave her range you turn it off.

@tmoney1487

3 ай бұрын

Or just make it so her device doest work on dead defenders.

@kindbutler813

3 ай бұрын

@@tmoney1487 what do you mean by dead defenders lol

@Leg1503

3 ай бұрын

@@kindbutler813hacking cams

@nizarchebbi322

3 ай бұрын

​@@kindbutler813dead defenders can't watch cams

@jacobreserved2144

3 ай бұрын

I've often thought the same thing prox range based. But then she could just play rooftops watch run-outs n phone call. Idk I'm picturing only club house tbh. But on that note even if they were basement. She could a floor above and uhh. Idk prox range based is great but. It's difficult because of the capability of playing rooftops or a floor above if the defenders are downstairs.. it's still better than any defender anywhere. But it'd still ring a lot of defenders. Idk dough I dun like the fact of her choosing one. Or choosin at all. So I dunno.

me hearing she’s the most banned operator is surprising when I play she’s rarely banned or used. should mention I’m on console so maybe it’s different on pc

@tackier52

3 ай бұрын

Way different, I mostly play Standard and since there's no OP bans, I get calls every defender round it's ridiculous.

@Tundra-Zero

3 ай бұрын

People on console are addicted to banning jackle, it's so strange, he's far from meta and is hardly the most annoying

@eyelesstrooper

3 ай бұрын

​@Tundra-Zero for real, like I play jackal occasionally cos I like his guns but he's always banned and he's not even that big of an issue to deal with

@OfficerPlormby

3 ай бұрын

​@Tundra-Zero Dude thank God someone else said it. I've been saying this for a while now. He's honestly a waste of a ban

@m4j0r3x

3 ай бұрын

Cus pc its far more sweaty

I never thought id see the day where dokk of all ops would be labeled "op" lmao

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

Iana and Warden have been labeled as "op", they were just garbage when launched and now they are "op".

@WaterMelon-Cat

3 ай бұрын

Literally, since Dok came out no one has complained about her. All the sudden she is “broken” the community and devs ruined the game

@danieldacanay8466

3 ай бұрын

yeah i feel like he got taken away in the script writing when he said "doki is factually overpowered"

@user-nn1fx1nc7e

2 ай бұрын

​@@WaterMelon-CatI don't think that's fair tbh. She was always a niche character but her ability was never considered to be mid or bad. It just wasn't utilized the same way as now which is why opinions have changed on her ability.

@WaterMelon-Cat

2 ай бұрын

No, just bad players and bad devs ruining the game more. Been dead for a while @@user-nn1fx1nc7e

I think considering how defenders are op, dokkaebi isn't op. The roams the peeking put attackers at a severe disadvantage.

@joedelduca8668

3 ай бұрын

Its crazy… not long ago everyone used to say that dokkaebi is niche and not that good, and suddenly she is a huge problem lol

@GoatOfWar

3 ай бұрын

Well yeah, after nerfing all the viable attackers into the dirt and forcing a braindead TDM meta upon us which she was MEANT to counter.. But i guess attack is just meant to be the victim role or something. @@joedelduca8668

@bandit3019

Ай бұрын

@@joedelduca8668she’s a problem because (in emerald+) she has a win delta on par with ash and she’s the most banned attacker, top 5 most picked operators. She’s over picked and Ubi doesn’t like that,

@edoardoleopardi6930

Ай бұрын

@@bandit3019 bro fuck the win delta every time ubi patch something game is gonna suffer is like that sinse i started to play in blood orchid jeez

I think calling only one at a time is just a bad gadget at that point. Making it so that she can only call who is scanned but calling everyone who is scanned seems much better imo.

@OhKnow379

3 ай бұрын

She is NOT as strong as people make her out to be.

@grovePS3

3 ай бұрын

​@OhKnow379 Her win rate and history make this clear. She wasn't a problem for years, so why is she now suddenly this alledged "OP attacker"? It's just garbage content creators echoing invalid complaints to nerf everything.

@teknyon

3 ай бұрын

@@grovePS3she’s not op rn but he’s not wrong about her being annoying Still maining her tho idc

@OhKnow379

3 ай бұрын

@teknyon annoying sure, effective, sure. Shes not overpowered, yes shes stupidly versatile but none of her abillities are that crazy. Jack of all trades, master of none

@ReasonableLogic

3 ай бұрын

@@OhKnow379Yes she is? Top 5 attacker rn

I think the brokeness of her gadget was really highlighted in the Halloween event a couple months ago

@freshlymemed5680

3 ай бұрын

No? Defenders were broken in that event, especially when they use the cheese strat of holing up in the 2nd floor bathroom, literally nothing attacks can do especially once their oryx is dead.

@thekingofawesomeness9173

3 ай бұрын

​@@freshlymemed5680 true but if you didn't do that strategy her calls were a big deal. Especially after they patched that strat out of the gamemode

I think they could just make it take longer to call - maybe the defenders hear buttons being dialed for 3 seconds before the call begins, giving them a chance to reposition a bit

@niismo.

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that'd be similar to Lion at least

@tipped7126

3 ай бұрын

@@niismo. exactly - cuz rn the biggest issue is the guaranteed value of the calls

If that the case, then it's not a rework but more of a nerf. A rework is a complete or at least almost 100% change of a character kit. Don't just take away her massive call and down grade it to 1 at a time then call it a rework.

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

Maybe he's using Ubisoft's definition of rework haha

@notdante1151

3 ай бұрын

@@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375 I didn't criticize him if it wasn't obvious enough.

@bandit3019

Ай бұрын

@@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375reworking hibana in their eyes was literally changing the way you can orient her pellets, and reworking glaz was just making it so he had to be slower

Poor dokkbae

If you manually turn off your phone, you can go back on cams within that 15 second time

let's buff her and give her the ability to control hacked camera gadgets (yokai stun, evil eye laser, etc) :)

@ciarajones4970

3 ай бұрын

Literally Brava lol

@sebastianrodriguez8992

3 ай бұрын

​@@ciarajones4970brava but just for cams And to be fair they have wamai and Yeager so I don't think they're too above making similar characters

@johnpetre9523

3 ай бұрын

Honestly i was thinking about that too like If She can hack the camera to see and move them why not use the gadget?

@ghostbravo7127

3 ай бұрын

Terrible idea.

@kxndl1ght

3 ай бұрын

@@sebastianrodriguez8992 that’s true. but for most roles there’s usually gonna be a similar op with some type of uniqueness (bandit/kaid, ash/kali, wamai/jäger)

I think she should keep the feature of calling everyone but you only get 1 call per hacked enemy phone (starting at 0 calls), because I think making her like deimos just makes her feel, well, too much like deimos. Also, regarding the hacking, you should only get access to the gadgets of the operators she hacked, so she always gets default cams, but she can only access e.g. valk cams, if she hacks valks phone.

@shinzanmato5493

3 ай бұрын

but every defender have access to every defender cam

@pixel7363

3 ай бұрын

yes, but (from what I said in my nerf idea) dokkaebi shouldn't get every cam from 1 phone

@ipodclassic91

3 ай бұрын

That's an excellent idea

@vortexyfn9948

18 күн бұрын

yeah, maybe allow dokk to use the cams too, so if she hacks a maestro cam she can use the lasers

I kinda think they should bring back Echo's immunity. Especially because he's getting a bit of a nerf next season, with the loss of his magnified scope.

@marfckngaretti

3 ай бұрын

Not deserved in any way shape or sense.

I think they should make it so that she can pick who to hack like what you said in the video but they should give her 5 gadgets and she can select multiple at a time so she can still call the entire enemy team just once

Honestly your suggestion is already a good enough change for Dokkaebi but the thing is if her hack becomes single target she needs more than 2 logic bombs

I think that none of the aspects of her by themselves are frustrating, it's the combination of all of them in one single atacker. I will say though that it doesn't really make sense to remove one of those aspects from her but maybe limit her a bit more, like for example she wasn't really considered universally frustrating when echo was immune to her, and it still doesn't make a lot of sense that the one op who doesn't use a phone to access cameras is also victim to the effects of a phone call hack, on the other hand they could also make it so her hack only gives access to the map cameras instead of all the cameras. They could do what kudos mentions in the video but I feel like that wouldn't fix her, it would just be a massive nerf, which would require her to have more logic bombs to balance but would create another problem in the process where she could hoard them until there's only 1 or 2 defenders left and she could bombard them with logic bombs, which would make it horrible for the defending team to deal with. They could maybe do what others have mentioned where her logic bombs are proximity based and while that seems interesting it could create a few issues depending on how they implement it. I think the best solution would be to make the logic bombs proximity based but to set clear rules for it to follow and to make her hack only give access to the map's cameras (maybe mozzie and valk's cameras too, depending on how weak it feels) that way the defending team isn't conpletely screwed over by their own deployed cameras and both teams have to weigh the benefits of destroying the cameras that are hacked or can be hacked

@drane10

3 ай бұрын

Just make her 2 speed like other support ops

@fabr0

3 ай бұрын

yeah, i believe that would make her to be a little more exposed and involved in closer gunfights, if not she'll always be a long range support

@thememelord5975

3 ай бұрын

Just leave her alone she’s fine the way she is no need to nerf an op just because some people can’t play video games well

The part I find frustrating about dokk is the unexpected aspect of the gadget. There is zero warning that a call is coming and I feel like a good adjustment would be like a 3 second timer like lion before her gadget goes off to allow defenders to prepare for the call.

It's good to see your channel growing.

not one person complained about her for years, now all of a sudden shes op.... average community

It would be funny if they added an option to destroy your phone so dokkaebi can’t call you and you can’t access cameras (while you are still alive of course)

Maybe leave Dokk as is?? In the times of a TDM meta with people running around wild and going for kills instead of using strategies, it is actually really refreshing to have an operator that has great utility, high skill weapons, and takes real skill and game knowledge to use. There are WAY bigger problems than Dokk right now, problems that are actually unhealthy for the game.

@user-hk6jt9lq2d

3 ай бұрын

Well, with her ability people just keep safely running and listening rings, that's strong

@tylerlangston7538

3 ай бұрын

Pretty sure they’re working on changing the meta this next season.

@GetOffGenji

3 ай бұрын

@@tylerlangston7538 I assure you, giving 2 and 3 speed defenders ACOGs will not help this situation one bit. Be prepared for the most TDM based meta EVER if these changes make it to live.

@WhateverItTakes17

3 ай бұрын

found the maciejay fan

@D1.Nebula

3 ай бұрын

@@GetOffGenjithey nerfed holos and ads time lmao promotes holding angles and not full sprinting everywhere

I can't agree. First, Lion is good. I see nothing wrong with him. Second, if you can call only one operator, then why don't you just pick Deimos? So this will make her completely useless.

1: The roamer's phone starts to ring 2: I hear it from 3 different room cus siege sound system works perfectly fine

Omg bro she’s really not that broken imo. There is no need to rework her at all. How do you have an op that live pings the defenders but doakebi who doesn’t even ping and relies on hearing get a rework. The game is already defender sided why tf are we nerfing attackers.

Oh no. Not another rework.

@Dark_shadow2450

3 ай бұрын

Say hello to Ubisoft with their love to not buff the counters and nerf everything

@Tundra-Zero

3 ай бұрын

​@Dark_shadow2450 I usually would agree but not here, as if they need to buff mute. Her ability is a better lion, because it lacks the counter play of lion, plus she can take every cam

@GoatOfWar

3 ай бұрын

Yup, i already wrote the operator off. Any time an attacker becomes remotely useful they get surgically removed from the game.

@Tundra-Zero

3 ай бұрын

@@GoatOfWar fair point, the game is already very defender sided

@EgoGhostX

3 ай бұрын

She doesnt need a rework like she has been like this for years but now were finding out strong ops😂😂 so we nerf them but not nerfing defenders

Dokka is fine as she is. Shes like jackal. Annoying to go against but so what lol. People need to learn to just get used to it instead of constantly complaining and asking for reworks.

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

I think Jackal is stronger getting roamers simply because of his loadout, Dokka is strong, but she's more of a support operator rather than a fragger like Jackal.

I feel like she should get 5 calls, but can only call one person at a time. That way dokk can still call every defender that was scannned, or she can use multiple on a roamer.

I can easily say that its not just the phone calls that frustrate/irritate players. But also being able to gain access to valkyrie cams or maestro evil eyes etc.. is another factor, if dokkaebi isnt banned, playing a defender with cams becomes counter intuitive even sometimes helps the other team more

Currently, I love dok.

@WhatIsTheHeat

3 ай бұрын

Playing as or against?

@Hydra_X9K_Music

3 ай бұрын

​@@WhatIsTheHeatGotta be "as". Playing against her is one of the most frustrating things ever. Even if you have a Mute.

@TheWatcher60401

3 ай бұрын

@@WhatIsTheHeat both.

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

​@@Hydra_X9K_MusicIs frustrating of you are a roamer and have a lot of people searching for you, otherwise is just a cool operator.

They could add a delay before the phone rings would be a great idea, so if you're roaming you can cancel the call before they can hear you, Or changing the whole mechanism and instead it just shuts everyone of cameras and defenders can't use elettronica device. It would still be strong, so I'm not sure if it's a great idea

As someone who plays a lot of Echo and Mozzie I feel like she should have to kill and get the phones on those operators to get access to their drones/ cams. I hate when a Warden mains fails at spawn killing and then Dokkaebi gets free access to my stuff.

Excellent idea!!

I think a good idea for her rework would be to make her call just straight up stop them from using cams still, but disable the noise and the being able to cancel it. It would make her good for both rushing and playing against echos for example.

They should add a camera reset feature, defenders should be able to reset cams which would shut it down for like 30 secs but when it reboots attackers can’t access it. Whether it should be for all cams or just one at a time I’m unsure

- Give her a rolling number of 4-5 calls total - Targets only 1 operators - Phone call is longer, and attackers have access to cams while phone is ringing.

While I do like the idea of a deimos like system, I think it be better if it called all scanned defenders or something like that, or a radius that her call works in.

@_Here_-

3 ай бұрын

that would defeat the purpose of her being a roam clearer because a defender roaming could just avoid being spotted and not be called

Ubisoft be like: we can balanace Her like that? , we we're thinking in nerf Sledge again.

they can tweak it like it's charge based ability like example would be like lesion, so what i'm thinking is that you can call multiple operators at the same time but you need to have the charges for it; she can then select multiple operators to ring in, at start she has 2 charges and can call (spotted) operators and then maybe every 25 seconds she gains a charge, so the longer she is on the board, the more frustrating she becomes to deal with. comes with this is the option to use the charge for either calling an operator or hacking cams (based on where the operator was killed; possibly a 10m radius proximity on nearby cams -- you can only check on cams that are on the 10m radius as where the phone was dropped and hacked, additionally any defender could destroy that phone even when hacked to remove enemy access on their cams)

Sounds like an interesting idea! Although I do think it’s more likely they’ll go for an older idea from the logic bomb podcast; were doki would start with one call and then be able to get 1-2 more by hacking phones. I honestly think the most interesting version would be if u combined the two; u start with 1 call that can be directed at 1 defender and if u or ur team kills him or another defender u get access to cams and another call (via hacking the phone). This would make her underwhelming at the start of the round but with a lot of potential value if u stay alive and play around ur gadget, making her more interesting to both play and play against (high risk, high reward). This would also be a lot easier to balance for the dev team since they can work with more factors in pure numbers. This by; - limiting amount of potential calls during the round - limiting amount of potential calls stored by doki at one point in time + Other numbers she already has, such as; call length, how far away an attacker can be while hearing the phone and so on. Anyway it’s fun to theorycraft and I love listening too these kinds of videos for it :). Keep it up!!

remember when echo wouldnt get called by dokkaebi then they removed it

The main reason people consider Dok and Jackal OP is mostly due to just how devastating they can be in a coordinated push. Alone, they are good but not overpowered, but when used by a coordinated team they can either track and ping someone on defence putting them at a huge disadvantage, and Dok ringing people exposes them which is very bad in close quarters. The only reason Lion isn’t in this boat is because he’s a lot easier to counter, just stand still, but Dok is basically impossible to ‘counter’ or get past without hanging around a mute jammer so it’s a bit frustrating when used properly

@uncreativename9936

3 ай бұрын

all ops are supposed to be good in a coordinated push lol, otherwise they're weak. it's true the "community" just wants to nerf the last op who killed them lol.

With ur concept of this dokkaebi rework, will we still be able to Griddy with dokk?

She literally has two calls, I don’t understand why people are just randomly butt hurt by these abilities when they’ve been the same for years

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

People nowadays can't wait 8 seconds or hold a button for 3 seconds.

Great idea, while we’re at it, make Jackal the only one able to see the footsteps pings and like Deimos it would state what room the defender is located so it’ll require more teamwork.

I think they will just change it to people only being called once they are revealed, no choice between defenders.

What about if its each operator that has been identified? It'll nerf dokk but buff a few defenders such as mute mozzie nook and solis since they have drone denial kinda makes her a little more unique from demios and itll help promote using drones in the drone fase a little more

She's definitely getting Deimos tech for her calls. I wouldn't mind seeing a system whereby any hacked phone provides her an additional call. She starts with two and could end up with more depending on who she hacks. This punishes careless plays by defenders as its a free, additional call for Dokkaebi. I'd reduce the call duration to 8s (from 12s) I do think the 'hack' could also work to disable equipment. Maybe she could activate her gadget and it would disable all gadgets near her position (up to 2m away). Again, hacking phones would replenish a charge which is shared with the 'calls'. Could be used in many different ways.

@tmoney1487

3 ай бұрын

I highly doubt it as that just turns her into a worse version of deimos. The goal of a rework should be to change how the operator functions in a match not just nerf their gadget to the point of where they can no longer do their job better than other operators. All they really need to do is make the gadget no longer work on dead defenders but knowing ubisoft they'll probably do something off the wall and ruin her gadget completely along with her competitive viability

@user-nc2pn8kf3k

3 ай бұрын

@@tmoney1487 Deimos’s effect only works for him. Dokkaebi’s would still benefit the team!

@Leg1503

3 ай бұрын

That’s nice, but it would invalidate thatcher

@tmoney1487

3 ай бұрын

​​@user-nc2pn8kf3k Callouts exist.. I mean if youre a solo queue type of person then i can see where it would be more useful without communication, but as long as you have a team and a working mic Deimos should be able to give much more accurate callouts than dokkebi. I dont think everyone should be focused in on making her gadget like deimos's and should actually put some thought and effort into what the rework should be.

@ghostbravo7127

3 ай бұрын

This would make her worse than Deimos in almost every way (yes, even with her better DMR, and her cam hack.) As for disabling equipment, that is simply a bad idea, that is what thatcher is for, and she already has mini-EMPs for targeted electronic clearing. She is and should remain a dedicated intel op. I would actually like to see her not become so similar to Deimos, despite personally hating to play against her, and not playing her at all. She is a well designed op in my opinion, and not inherently overpowered, just a good competitive pick, but I would agree she is a bit over tuned. I'd recommend: 1) Must scan operators for the call to work on them 2) Put a lengthy cooldown between her two calls, long enough that she must use them in different "phases" of the match (whether it be one early game to clear an aggressive roam and one mid to late game, or one mid game and a second in the post plant) 3) Reduce call length to 10 seconds but keep the disable animation at 5 seconds 4) Take away her gonne-6, it isn't integral to her play style, in fact it just gives her extra utility when she doesn't need any more 5) hacking cams should be a 10 second animation, which gives defenders more time for a refrag, adding risk to the high reward mechanic, this also adds more team play, with attackers needing to properly cover dokk during a hack, while defenders need to consider either using the battle buddy system or simply being close enough to each other so that at least one friendly can refrag a lone dokk within 10 seconds. This also adds a third mechanic/strategy, using one of her calls before the hack. My personal game design philosophy is that you should almost always try to add more variety, creativity, and diversity of game play and strategy to the game, even when balancing or reworking. I think the Tachanka rework is a great example of this. I loved old Tachanka, but he was not dynamic enough for the game, and that was a core flaw, meaning he required a full rework, yet they preserved many of the unique aspects of his ability, and gave him a new ability to compensate for anything they took away, an ability which added another layer of depth to him. It took many season for them to optimize his stats and other minor details, but now he is in good shape, without being OP, but without being a pushover either.

They should make her rework a mix between lion and damose. So say you scan a cav you can ping her phone and it’s like lions scan where it red pings her. Give it a 3 second delay and make the total scan time like 9 seconds and I think that would be fair and solid. Let her also manually hack cams. So kinda like fen where he can only have three traps she can only have three cams under her control at a time, but make it so she can give up control of said camera back to defenders to then take control over other ones. Giver her a total hack of 10. 5 phone tracking and 5 cam hacks total so she can’t just run around hacking every cam with no down sides. Chang her lode out too so she has to be more active. Lose her mk14 and replace it with vigs ar and lose the bos g 12 and give her either a smg like nokks or a shot gun with no slugs. That way she doesn’t make damose useless or underpowered, and to make it so you can’t just sit out side and camp a window/soft wall.

Solid suggestion I think they would do that! Make more sense with that idea.

I think the options you presented are very good and I would actually be completely happy if all of that was implemented. However, I think a good change would be that if she calls anyone all dead. Defenders are kicked off default cameras and for example say she calls echo then echoes yokai's are offline for everyone as well but if she doesn't call maestro then maybe they could still access his evil eye cameras. I love Dokk as she is but every work is warranted.

Ubisoft announcing balance updates almost an entire YEAR ahead of time instead of just doing it now is... so strange

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

This is what happens when you have just two operators and no new maps for the year.

I think maybe having two charges and selecting either call or block cams for each and remove the ability to hack defender cameras. It separates her from Deimos, as the individual call can just be a Deimos thing. Buffs Brava as hacking gadgets especially cameras are benefited. Then also makes her good for an execute because you can deny cams and plant forcing defenders to swing. Plus if you want to keep some form of the phone drop hack let it give her an extra charge. I get the calls are annoying on roam but after doing an operator based around targeting one players location why not just go dokkebi over Deimos? Dokk can select that on defender if revealed from the other side of the map and everyone can hear it versus Deimos’s 1v1 hunt.

Smth Ive always loved about the phone call, is that you see her manually choose all 5 defenders to call. This means, it can be super easy to alter the animation and let her pick only one.

Somtimes i wonder what it would be like if there was flitching, sway, and only being able to see through the scope on magnified scopes

I think a good change might be that her call only affects adjacent rooms so she can roam clear but the defender also knows that shes nearby

in a heavily defender sided game with most attackers just being flat out not good or just okay compared to defenders, complaining about dokkaebi is just insane.

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

Dokka isn't even OP, she's just like Iana, she became OP because every other operator is getting useless.

I think she should only call the defenders next to her, it would make her more involved in the roam clearing

@drane10

3 ай бұрын

Then she won't be good for the team, just play jackal or deimos

@Arthur-so2cd

3 ай бұрын

@@drane10 she would be just as good for the team as jackal, because he needs to be where the defender previously was to see his footprints, furthermore deimos is horrible for the team according to this, far more than dokoaebi

@Arthur-so2cd

3 ай бұрын

@@drane10 she would be just as good for the team as jackal, because he needs to be where the defender previously was to see his footprints, furthermore deimos is horrible for the team according to this, far more than dokoaebi

@EgoGhostX

3 ай бұрын

But you wont know where they last were without a jackel

@ghostbravo7127

3 ай бұрын

@@Arthur-so2cdDeimos is insanely good for the team, he gets live roam clearing, that is the one place where he outshines even Jackal. He is arguably somewhat worse than Jackal overall, but it is really a toss up as both are different but equally good. He can essentially tell you where the roamer is at any moment, allowing a teammate to stalk them, hunt them, and kill them, either by cutting them off if predicting their movement or by surprising them with shots to the back.

I think a frustration of her gadget is for operators like Echo/Maestro that are not able to use their gadget during the calls. I would be more than fine to remove this feature as a balance patch. If people complain about the ability being global, better make it range limit rather than making her a worst version of Deimos.

I think they should also make so Dok only gets access to stuff like Maestro cams after she hacked the specific phone of that op

Dokk is fine how she is

@silverd5679

3 ай бұрын

no shes not😭

@pjz.R6

3 ай бұрын

@silverd5679 just have a mute jammer near enough to where your roamers are and she's useless

@Leg1503

3 ай бұрын

@@pjz.R6that’s a forced mute pick for whenever she isn’t banned. Forcing a pick on defense out of fear of an op means they’re too op.

@pjz.R6

3 ай бұрын

@Leg1503 you could say the same for kaid and bandit since you are pretty much forced to pick thatcher twitch etc.

@Leg1503

3 ай бұрын

@@pjz.R6 but that’s on attack. Attack can see a kaid and has the option to switch in prep phase. Defense doesn’t know enemy team comp unless they scan them during the round.

Idk if it's the case rn but can cameras in the radius of a Mute Jammer still be viewed while Dokki is calling? If not I feel like that'd be a good addition

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

That's very situational, but could be a cool feature.

Turning dokkaebi into deimos would definitely reduce her pick rate significantly. She's not like deimos where you get live pings, it's just a call, and you only get 2 of those, so if you're teammates don't follow up on your call, then it becomes useless

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

And Deimos loadout is just better.

i feel like another good way to make doka good is to allow her to call the last red pinged enemies or making her able to call more than 1 operator butr he will also have to call one of her teammates as well. The good thing with the second one is that you can have some of the enemy deff "distract" and make it think it's a teammate of theirs that's getting pinged. That way it will make coms way more crucial

Here I was thinking that the frustration with Dokkaebi where to do with players “widdley hitting duh gwiddy”

no nerf my queen

I like the Deimos idea with Dokk's gadget. But I would like to see her phonecall be available only after grabbing an enemy phone.

Maybe make her able to see who is using cams and what the defender is seeing through that cam and remove calls?

I believe it would also work of dokk got a little ring on her end as well that would make major changes aswell but not enough

I really like your proposed changes. I think that would make it so I wouldn’t ban her anymore.

Call this a weird suggestion but I feel like they should have an option for operators on defense to not carry a phone, meaning that they can't be dokk called but also can't check cameras

@adumba3709

Ай бұрын

Me picking echo and not choosing to bring a phone:

@DarkzyJK

Ай бұрын

This is dumb. It completely negates ONE maybe TWO attackers for completely disabling much of their info, also rendering valk, bulletproofs, echo's, etc useless. If you genuinely think this is good there is no way you are past copper. Cams are hella important, especially when once you die there isnt much else to do

so basically her logic bomb gonna aim individually , tho only 2 times is kinda low , maybe adding a charge for each phone hacked ? plus , if Ubi/people still think she is too OP , maybe you can use the cam of only the specific operator phone ? ( you can use Evil eye ONLY if you hacked Maestro's phone , you can use black eye ONLY if you hacked Valk's phone , you can use the bulletproof cam of the specific operator you hacked , etc... ) I understand that they maybe need to nerf her to reduce the ban but making her gadget too much specific gonna destroy her IMO

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375

3 ай бұрын

Nerfing the gadget too hard is going to make her useless, she doesn't have a good gun, secondary gadgets are ok but the gadget is all she has.

@thememelord5975

3 ай бұрын

They don’t care if it will make her useless they only care about number go down

I always thought it would be cool for defenders to have the ability to shoot or crush their phone instead of turning off the ringer like we do now. Should the defender shoot their phone, they lose the ability to access cameras for the rest of the round (potentially even after death? Interesting discussion point) and the attackers would hear the single gunshot from the defenders pistol instead of an ongoing ringing. Ofc the option to turn it off normally wouldn’t go away, just a strategic alternative

As a dokkabei main who started playing in White Noise, I see nothing wrong with this operator and hope they scrap this re-work

Maybe defenders will have the option when called, either do the normal hanging up animation, or have a new option to toss the phone away so the sound is not coming from them, and if they still die dok has to search for the phone. But if the defender lives then they cant access cams at all until they go retrieve their phone.

another thing they could do is that she can call multiple people but only in a small limited radius around her so that she can go check the rest of the map but has to be there herself and not across the map

I think it’s a little annoying that unless you immediately start silencing your phone, it doesn’t make a difference. Like by the time the call is halfway done it doesn’t make sense to silence it cause you won’t get it in time

I like your thoughts or opinions a lot! I think this is a great idea, but I would imagine if they did this she would need more calls, like instead of 2 like 4-5 which seems like too much to me. My thought was I like the scan idea, except what if she called all the people that have been identified🤔🤷🏼‍♂️ that way it stays at 2 charges cause I think that’s still fair, and it actually makes red pinging not on more viable, but also makes red pinging more terrifying in things like prep phase and during the beginning of the round. But idk just an idea k had watching the video🤷🏼‍♂️

I think Dokk's ability being conditional to who's been identified on the other idea could work. I would add maybe adding the ability to call every identified operator would be nice to see to give certain defending operators a leg up

An improvement on your idea: -Doka has 5 calls upon start of a round. -She uses 1 call per action. This includes hacking defender cameras. -She can call multiple scanned operators, so long as she has the calls. Meaning if she wants to call 2 defenders, she uses 2 calls, or she can call the same operator multiple times as long as she has the calls. -If you’re being called; you cant access cameras, but ops that arent being called can. -Mute negates the calls immediately. -Hacking defender cams is temporary, and lasts for 30 secs. However attackers have full access to these devices, meaning they can use evil eye lasers, yokai blasts, etc. I think this would make her more like a hacker, with very careful consideration as to how her calls are used.

I feel like you should see her direct location only when she's hacking a phone. Only for that brief moment tho

I love your idea and personally I wouldn't mind if dead players are able to watch cams. But I would keep the camera hacking part, it's one or the other. Making her target only one player seems fair to me, but I think she would need more calls and having the enemy scanned. Also I would add that if the target shuts the call, they get red pinged, unless let's say they run into mute jammer. That's because unlike Deimos her ability can be removed in just couple seconds and not provide any information, because the call sound doesn't have very big range or can be muffled with other sounds around. So even nerfing the call sound range would be fine. On the other hand this change would push Deimos + Dokk combo being abused in rankeds. But simply banning one of these would resolve the problem, but the issue with Dokkaebi is her high ban rate, so that doesn't seem to change much. Hopefully they come up. with something interesting, yet not completely different. Also I would like to see some defenders nerf, or attackers buff in general. The pretty recent nerf of grenades hit hard and now defenders get to see the trajectories of their gadgets most importantly C4s. I would love to see some changes in the gameflow in this year, maybe we get to see something new with the Recruit rework.

Maybe instead you have to scan them in the prep phase (making you have to drone) and once you scan someone in the prep phase you can call everyone if they are revealed in the prep phase

what about she can only use one of her call effects so she has to choose to either kick people off of cams or to call people to give away location but cannot do both would that still be too overpowered??

I think your idea + the change where she gets a call back for each phone

Only use the call on one defender, they ring, but now ALL defensive cams are still down, so like how it is now, but only one picked operators phone rings

I think to add to the "nerf" and balancing. 1) 1 at a time concept cool with me. 2)To further balance it, I think it should have a phone call ringing sound from her device while it's active, but she has the ability to hang up early as well. Canceling the call from the defender side as well. 3) If she hacks someone's phone after elimination, she may receive another logic bomb 4) get rid of "ALL the cams being hacked" by Dokki, instead, if an operator has a BP cam, she has access to that, (or echo, same thing), she'll be more of a hard counter to Valk and Echo & it's more strategic. 5) If that concept is too "Nerfing" then make it to where she is the only one that has access to the cameras and she must communicate with tm8s for info 6) maybe a load out update? She has automatic secondary but not primary automatic. Other than shields, she is the only one with this feature.

Here is my idea, keep the gadget the same except for the following changes 1. Only affects defenders who are scanned(but can still affect all at once if all are scanned)(lore wise this can just be the same gadget but she has to figure out which numbers to call) 2.either give the defenders a little bit of time to set their phone on do not disturb(like how you get warning before a lion scan) or have the audio slowly get louder(I’m sure the devs could implement it where the first immediate noise is heard from very shot distances then quickly ramping up to being able to be heard from far) I think universal/global abilities aren’t inherently wrong and should definitely exist but I think that scan limitations would be a good way to balance them for dokk and it might finally get the devs to fix the red ping yellow ping issue

What if she can only make a phone call if she hacks the defenders phone(can only make one phone call or maybe 2 idk 🤷‍♂️)

3 diff ideas. 1. get rid of call affecting people who are dead. 2. individual calls similar to deimos but she gets 4. 3. proximity based call

solid idea 🤔

I think they should make it where she needs to use the phones she picks up to call. I mean there's five possible phones to get but rn she only uses one. When she collects a phone she should have the option to hack cams or call(still only two calls) this would make it have a snowball effect instead becoming stronger as you push.

Having to scan and choosing who to call would be fine and maybe even fun, but I wouldn't do only one at a time. If they did go that route they would definitely have to increase the amount of gadget uses she gets.

No no no this is horrible

@Shabow12

3 ай бұрын

Fax

What if when you use her ability it just is random who gets called

I think this would be the base case change. I like it

i feel like a better rework is that she can call all ops that are within a certain range so that it is not map-wide, and maybe even a max of 3 so if all defenders are in the range, only the closest 3 are called. if the defender has to be scanned and she can only call 1 at a time, it would be too similar to deimos and i feel like she would rarely get used because instead of just audio, deimos can see exactly where they are.