Imagine where the messaging could have been today if ‘breakthroughs’ had been defined from the start as vaccinated people ending up in the hospital.

@terjeoseberg990

2 жыл бұрын

Breakthrough has always been people who are sick/symptomatic. PCR tests test for infection, not illness. That’s what Malone, the inventor of the PCR test has been saying for months. The problem is, people who don’t sick still become contagious, and people who will get sick are contagious before they get sick.

@ytcomms3945

2 жыл бұрын

But ... but ... they are not supposed to end up in hospital ... they are supposed to die quietly in their homes alone ... especially a few weeks after Moderna if they overexerted themselves in a gym.

@poodledaddles1091

2 жыл бұрын

How about truth in messaging that breakthrough can happen, it was months before it was even acknowledged.

@ytcomms3945

2 жыл бұрын

@@terjeoseberg990 Robert Malone did not invent the PCR test. Kary Mullis did.

@wolfster747

2 жыл бұрын

What percentage of vaccinated people end up hospitalized? This is your probability i agree that failing to distinguish between asymptomatic infections, mild infections and severe disease among those who are vaccinated has caused problems. These same issues have plagued public health messaging since the beginning of the pandemic.

Why no mention of the reasons why people are hesitant about vaccinating? This discussion has no credibility as it fails to even acknowledge this.

@Blu3wonder

2 жыл бұрын

It seemed like a bad faith discussion the entire way through. No mentions of the risks in any serious manner/detail and the lady actually says "we had no idea they'd be this fantastic" at a point... smh

@MaximC

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blu3wonder seemed? Look at their faces, man....

@Blu3wonder

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MaximC hey, fair call. If they believe what they say I'm fully prepared to walk back the bad-faith claim (however subjective it may be). It's just the yes-squad mentality that's getting to me. When the writer, Helen got all fantastical at 14:00 my suspicions of bad-faith crept in: "I saw it last December when the first results came out of the trials. It was like a miracle! You know, so many vaccines don't don't work out, that to have a vaccine come through for a respiratory pathogen, and it was ninety five percent effective! It was like, oh, my God, the gods have smiled on us! And then the second vaccine came through and it was ninety four percent. And it was like, hallelujah! And and that is all still true..." And everyone just smiles and nods (meanwhile my girlfriend is housebound after getting the Pfizer vaccine), Then directly after Paul goes on to try and redefine the term break-through case: "We have the term breakthrough, I think should be applied to people who, despite being fully vaccinated, are nonetheless hospitalized." I'm just getting weary of the bubbles everyone is creating. I just want some open discussion of the fors and against. But anywhere I go is all for, or all against. And the censorship of one side is deeply concerning, considering the constant backflips the censors have to do every few months. Just honest open discussion, that's all I'm seeking.

@MaximC

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blu3wonder Indeed. The only hope, since liars and bought and corrupted people won't stop, is that the resistance of the reasonable part of human population will eventually make this castle of cards fall down. It's just incredible how few people can fool and manipulate the whole world because they have mainstream media in their hands. And how even after 20 years after 9/11 absolute majority of people are completely clueless to the truth behind it. It almost feels like we live in someone's book, and until the author won't decide that humanity wakes up - it won't happen... 🤷 (I'm not a religious individual at all, the brainwashing is just so surreal...)

@kathyvolke8622

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaximC so what is the truth behind 9/11?

“Novel” means “new”. Comments about treatments ignore the fact that we don’t know the entirety of contagion, etc.

The vaccine hesitancy is partly due to lack of long term data on vaccine safety. There are many reports now of women's menstrual cycles being affected. There is no explanation of the mechanism that would cause this, or whether it might affect fertility.

@vwbustube

2 жыл бұрын

This “bleeding” is even occurring in post menopausal women. Yeasch!

@4everyoung24

2 жыл бұрын

These things occur in the general population-Women have changes in their cycles. Post-menopausal women have bleeding. The question is, is this occurring at a significantly higher rate among the vaccinated than in the general population. This helps evaluate if these things occurred coincidentally after vaccination or because of vaccination.

@MsSilver41

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the mechanism is that the spike protein doesn’t stay in the shoulder as promised . FOI requests found levels collecting in ovaries , testies, bone marrow , brain. The current vaccines only have a protection of 6 months , fda seems to think boosters every 6 months are ok. That’s a lot of poison to be injected so often

@emmaevans7011

2 жыл бұрын

@@MsSilver41 which vaccine? There are only 2 RNA vaccines. Others are more traditional types. Plus where is data on spike protein movement etc?

@Hands2HealNow

2 жыл бұрын

The complete avoidance of all financial interests of the vax advocates is a major factor in distrust. 1. NO OPEN EXPERT QUESTIONS WERE EVER ANSWERED! NO open responses to expert questions is not science!!! 2. The refusal to allow discussion by any of these people of the highest numbers of deaths by these vaccines makes them advertisers at the expense of truth. Scientific process means not blackmailing anyone into your unscientific capital adventures. Thalidimide is now an aproved drug in the USA, does that tell anyone of how low our health warnings have become.

It seems the discussion is strictly about the importance of vaccines. I think Ivermectin should be widely available either on the shelf or at least let doctors prescribe it. It should be in everybody's so called first aid kit, even those who have been vaccinated. We should also be taking vitamin D3 and our levels checked

@pbanther3902

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment almost makes me stop bothering to listen. No profit in prevention or options. I doubt people will return to being self responsible to BE healthy. Our earth and humans are doomed lazy selfishness.... I don't know?

@danielk6878

2 жыл бұрын

@@pbanther3902 I agree. That is how we got here. Most people would rather just take a pill then change their lifestyle. They might even be willing to take up 2 10 different pills for 10 different things, in a few shots to boot

@annierocks8620

2 жыл бұрын

Ivertremin has been used in many countries like Mexico and India and it has not worked.

@danielk6878

2 жыл бұрын

@@annierocks8620 wrong. It has worked. Unless you listen to the WHO.

@kathyvolke8622

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielk6878 could you supply peer reviewed studies to support your assertion?

There is a reason why you need Calculus, the area under the curve is really important!

@ytcomms3945

2 жыл бұрын

These expert cannot even add two and two together let alone understand calculus. The virus was under evolutionary pressure due to mass vaccination during a pandemic with vaccines focused on a tiny part of the virus, the spike protein ... it was easy for it to escape, to evade the leaky vaccine. Telling people to drop their face masks and mingle did not help. They had good vaccine stats for a while because they convinced people with natural immunity to get vaccinated.

@freedomofreligion3248

2 жыл бұрын

Story of my life

Dr. Offit's suggestion regarding how to define breakthrough hits the bull's eye. Great workshop 👍

@terjeoseberg990

2 жыл бұрын

“Breakthrough” has always meant people who get sick, not everyone who tests positive.

@ytcomms3945

2 жыл бұрын

@@terjeoseberg990 breakthrough is not a good word for this... it used to mean something Positively Good ... now they managed to ruin it.

And what about if you've had covid? And what's wrong with your own immunity system. Why is that a bad choice?

@emmaevans7011

2 жыл бұрын

That is my choice.

@deadmanswife3625

2 жыл бұрын

No money in good health

@emmaevans7011

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadmanswife3625 right. And no money in Ivermectin and hydroxy chloroquine either.

@MaximC

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmaevans7011 Vaccines bring infinitely more money. And not only money.

Thanks for taking time in the midst of it all for the update. Get you and yours buttoned down.. God protect and give wisdom to all through this storm. Calm the waves and the wind through the powers of Christ and His name.. Amen...

Comment from my husband last Sunday …. “ MASK UP”!! The Child, the Grandchild, or Aunt You Save might Be YOUR OWN …. Very good discussion. Thank you all.

@MaximC

2 жыл бұрын

I also found this discussion very useful: *Dr. Malone and Dr. Navarro - The Most Important Conversation of 2021*

@17:06 you can be PCR positive for just about anything if you increase the cycle threshold enough.

Why aren't we waiting until the kids are vaccinated? These are our children. They are the most precious beings in the country. If my child was going to get sick and I only needed to wait 6 months for a vaccine instead of 6 months or a year of recovery of long covid I would wait.

How did the Delta get into the USA and where did it enter first ?

@markd9410

2 жыл бұрын

The southern border

@miapdx503

2 жыл бұрын

We know they cook these things up in labs. They're even patented.

@deniesekline-thatcher8380

2 жыл бұрын

God have mercy I wonder sometimes where these people are coming from their definitely not in the real world? People here are not getting vaccines especially the 2nd & my husband and I are the only ones wearing masks? We feel like we are in the twilight zone. Everyone is interacting like it’s summer if 2017🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

@pbanther3902

2 жыл бұрын

@@deniesekline-thatcher8380 I feel like I am going mad, nothing specfic just totally no hope stuck alive having to participate

@annierocks8620

2 жыл бұрын

@@markd9410 no true, it came from I día and Europe both had cases way before Mexico.

Indoors in the south this time of year is similar to indoors up north in dead of winter, it’s so hot and humid here in ga and Florida everyone wants air conditioning . Heat index with humidity is about 106 every day. Regardless indoors whether hot in south or cold in north is a recipe for disaster. My opinion only.

@ytcomms3945

2 жыл бұрын

Last Summer DEATHS went down in NYC even without extensive vaccination. We shall see what happens this year after the virus managed to escape the spike protein focused leaky vaccines due to evolutionary pressure.

Anyone who has studied the history of vaccine uptake in the U.S. knows that it doesn’t go much above ~60% without mandates e.g. those for school. Early treatment e.g., IVERMECTIN should be used in a widespread manner.

@terjeoseberg990

2 жыл бұрын

But Ivermectin doesn’t work.

@ytcomms3945

2 жыл бұрын

Pentagon just mandated full vaccination after the quick and dirty FDA approval. At least they will create a good data base to investigate vaccine effects.

@kellyberry4173

2 жыл бұрын

People are becoming toxic from over doing Ivermectin.

I think the US needs to move on to boosters and vaccination for children. Adults have had plenty of time to exercise common sense for months so risking dying in this horrible way is pretty much a decision they have already made. There's really no sense in medical professionals trying to keep talking to brick walls.

Why is the department of defense involved?

Aren't the masks that we are wearing, contributing to the mucus buildup in our nostrils, throat and chest, seeing that they cause us to inhale so much carbon dioxide?

@nyxs60

2 жыл бұрын

I’m definitely getting that…

I find it hard to believe the United States government had no idea how quickly the Delta virus would spread. I'm very frustrated at the moment regarding information about the Lambda varient. I know Dept of Defense has all the information on the Lambda varient just as they did about the Delta. The virus is a national security issue so they have all the information on the virus and its varients. They are not interested in sharing the information with the general public.

Excellent and informative discussion. Thank you.

@MaximC

2 жыл бұрын

This is a much better discussion: *Dr. Malone and Dr. Navarro - The Most Important Conversation of 2021*

Sounds more like setting up for mandates

When Detrick shut down samples of sars was removed sent to labs around the globe to be cultivated and amplified with added inserts, in order to create the variants,

I am very curious as to why one who has covid antibodies would need to be vaccinated since natural antibodies should last a 3 to 5 year minimum, right? This is not intended as a challenging question but honest curiosity. Thanks

Everyone is asking for predictions about COVID-19. Very few are willing to decline being pandemic prognosticators. Probability theory is very useful and so few utilize the data in such a way to make meaningful statements about probability.

As easy as it is to say what’s the big deal about having kids mask in schools in the face of a deadly pandemic is as easy as it should be to mandate vaccinations and to say what’s the big deal to have little kids - 11 and younger not go to school in the face of a deadly pandemic? Are people suffering because of this, are they uncomfortable - yes, many are - and so what? I just heard congregate care in nursing homes - grade school and pre-school and daycare also function as care centers for their parents who send them there. Again, you said it - it’s a deadly epidemic.

What happens to the domestic population will also come back from what we don’t do for the rest Of the world.

Such fearful people...

Where I work the company is ending working remotely and opening after labor day we have no say sadly and most of us do not want to return right now. I am vaccinated but I know others are not. Company is not asking vaccine status either.

Can’t we make arrangements to give the extra vaccines to the Mexican border states?????

Even in mycoplasma infection ,, low temperature aglutinine,, occur especially at elderly

Camping. Travel in a campers. Go sight seeing!!!! 👍😀

Do you have any info on why there is a COVID19 super spread that begun after a football/ soccer game in an outside soccer stadium amongst vaxxed mask wearing people in China? Other question- Was it a mistake, knowing delta was on its way, to tell vaxxed people not to wear a mask, knowing what was coming? Was those few weeks of freedom worth it? How can we measure that? Personally I feel we have to accept that after numbers are low we should still keep wearing masks and not push for a fake success story. Or was knowing numbers would raise and waiting for hospitalizations and death rates to push the story on masking the objective? Not ethical.

John e hoover. Facts graphed out

Provincetown is not exactly your typical American suburban housewife yet experts told them to party because they got vaccinated with a leaky vaccine. At least they tend to keep themselves in good shape, fairly healthy ... if one does not count the use of party drugs and alcohol so the infection did not hit them too hard.

And yet no physical data provided.

At TWiV Nr 659 at min29 Christian Drosten indicate low temperature of respiratory tract more fit to be infected with SARS COV2 If low tissue temperature fit infection with SARS COV2 wearing mask who also prevent low temperature of respiratory tract are one solution Also avoid use of low temperature oxigen May be low fever at the begining of SARS COV2 must not to be treated,despite disconfort

I think it is irresponsible to always say -GET THEM BACK IN SCHOOL- The schools are not properly ventilated and that should be the first thing done and if it isn't then they don't go into the school.

Thank God my immune system is 💪 strong and working.

NOW DELTA PLUS, DELTA ,LAMBDA , etc…… out there ! MORE Variants /Mutations then they TELLIN us!

I don't understand why not only the most vulnerable are vaccinated? . If your chances of getting really sick or dying are very very low why get vaccinated? You can still carry and spread delta when vaccinated so what exactly is the point? In fact wouldn't the fact you've had a vaccine and can still get delta provide an ideal environment for it to mutate to overcome the vaccine. Let's hope they're not adding fuel to the fire!

San Francisco has now mandated vaccine for anyone entering bars, gyms, etc. Friday 8/20/21

We have natural ANTIBODIES. RIGHT? TRUE. USE GOOD SENSE. IS IMPORTANT. GOOD SENSE NOT FOOLISHNESS THINKING. WE NEED BETTER FACTS. Right?

@kellyberry4173

2 жыл бұрын

AND WE HAVE 633,000 DEAD AMERICANS. Right?

You mentioned india as having severe problem but now starting down. Actually deaths shot up for 6 wks, then rapidly reversed down by 70% in 5wks and down a total of 90% by 8 wks post peak, Shouldn’t someone go over there on a true fact finding mission? What did they do? Early treatment? It wasn’t vaccine s.

If getting vaccinated was the answer Israel would not be having so many serious hospitalizations - of which 95% are vaccinated people. How can you ignore this? PLUS there are highly qualified doctors who disagree, not with the vaccine, but with the need to vaccinate EVERYONE. They say that is not the right approach. Why not have THAT debate?

@tarahanson4890

2 жыл бұрын

95% it is more like 76%

Why isn’t Ivermectin talked about when so many countries have better success as prophylaxis in the absence of vaccines?

Ashish - interesting response about your optimism and your prognostications and the 3 developments you didn’t expect or know to have significant likelihood of occurrence. The only thing more audacious than your return to opine from an expert perch once again is that your answer references being ‘humble’ yet in your world salad you leave one out. ‘Wrong’.

In the name of Jesus covid and all its variants is defeated.

Unfair pressuring is bad. & WRONG.

Children did not react by high level of antinucleocapside antibody

Let people BREATHE. SINGING IS A NATURAL ANT DEPRESSANTS, & ANTI ANXIETY DISORDERS. WE NEED OXYGEN FOR GOOD HORMONES BALANCING. LET'S BE HAPPY!!!

Solari report

Virulent

Stop SUPPLYING.

Funny name for a pharma salesman Dr OFF -IT,

Jesus

Scam me once shame on you, scam me twice shame on me!

This man jha was wrong on 2 weeks to flatten the curve, has been wrong along the way and is wrong now!

What a BS......

It's a waste of time to bring these Dr./Scientists on the panel to discuss mass hysteria. It's not their field.

"The Delta Variant" sounds like a cheesy science fiction movie filmed decades ago like THE MANHATTAN PROJECT or THE PHILIDELPHIA EXPERIMENT or THE CHINA SYNDROME or THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN. Just saying.

Conspiracy theorists have people scared, Mike Adams, Dr. Mercola, etc.

@MisterMonsterMan

2 жыл бұрын

Government and media have people scared. The "conspiracy theorists" seem to be the least fearful people around, period.

It doesent exist

@deniesekline-thatcher8380

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people say this too but what do you tell people who are dying of it???

@chrislamusa110

2 жыл бұрын

@@deniesekline-thatcher8380 it’s most likely pneumonia

@kellyberry4173

2 жыл бұрын

YOU ARE INSANE.