The Definitive List of Best "Role Players" in the NBA (2024 EDITION)
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Welcome to another episode of Islands in the League with JJ Redick presented by Draft Kings. In this video we discuss our favorite "ALFRED's" of the year. Alfreds being people who shine in their roles - players like Derrick White, Josh Hart and more. Then we do another "build around" segment - this time with Boston Celtics legend Bob Cousy. And finally, we take a look at Championship odds with our resident expert, Josh Appelbaum.
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Derrick White is playin like muthafuckin Batman right now
@user-wt1np5sd8c
Ай бұрын
true
@btran3S
Ай бұрын
No one seen Alfred put on the cape?!?!?
@eamonhogan2635
Ай бұрын
Gimmie Igoudala all over again 😭
@Unicorn1Warrior
Ай бұрын
Playing like dooky rn
@brennankaplan9338
Ай бұрын
Not tonight 💔😢
JJ being practically in love with Derrick White has been one of the funniest running gags in the NBA circle this season
@georgiosyiannakou5537
Ай бұрын
A bromance
@kevingriffith677
Ай бұрын
derrick white is one of the most underrated players in the NBA.
@tylerwade9163
Ай бұрын
@@kevingriffith677 is he tho??? He’s been praised a lot for what he’s been bringing to the Celtics these last couple of years and deservedly so.
Backwards hat JJ needs to make an appearance on First Take
@williestyle35
Ай бұрын
I would definitely watch to just see that!
@kwilliams1958
Ай бұрын
@@williestyle35 They all need to do a "backward Hat" segment; hell, do an entire week of hat backwards shows.
@MrCgr33
Ай бұрын
Cowherd would have a heart attack.
@Imsohighrightnow2
Ай бұрын
You know for a fact Stephen A be rocking the Snapback with pride broski lol 😂 😂 @@kwilliams1958
@kwilliams1958
Ай бұрын
@@MrCgr33Or maybe he would join them! LOL...He knows he is making the "memes" in the utube wasteland!
14:44 JJ can barely hold back his laughter as he adds Wemby to his fever dream of a basketball team. This segment is so hilariously dumb. I love it.
@badbasic
Ай бұрын
I don't know why, but when he started describing the first guy off the bench, my mind immediately went to Al'Horford... As a side note, he might be the greatest Alfred in the last 15 years.
@a-j.2002
Ай бұрын
Dumb is the right word. He could make it interesting yet ...
@lucifuge927
Ай бұрын
@@a-j.2002 how is it dumb, not everything is about superteam or dream team, it's about being practical
Jeff Green belongs in the Alfred hall of fame.
@badbasic
Ай бұрын
So does Al'Horford, perhaps the biggest Alfred in the last 15 years.
@S-TierIguess
Ай бұрын
I’d say Andre igudala by a mile but he’s so good you almost can’t just consider him a role player
@derekharris96
Ай бұрын
@@S-TierIguess Finals MVP might disqualify you for an Alfred award lol
@xsah2
Ай бұрын
@@derekharris96he still played an Alfred role to win that award
@kevingriffith677
Ай бұрын
@@badbasic Al Horford wasn't always an alfred though.
Conley is most definitely an Alfred but, Naz Reid is more like a Nightwing #letsmakethismorecomplicated
@kb5509
Ай бұрын
Who's Red Hood? Rudy last year?
@williestyle35
Ай бұрын
@@kb5509these are the questions the people want answers to!
@tysmothers
Ай бұрын
@@kb5509 Pat bev is red hood because he celebrated their play-in tourney win and then they shipped him out. He had to be feeling betrayed, just like red hood
@justinkelly8764
Ай бұрын
alright now who’s oracle?
@kb5509
Ай бұрын
@@justinkelly8764 Chris Finch
It’s criminal that TJ McConnell didn’t play the end of the last IND vs. NYK game
@carlostejada1654
Ай бұрын
Could not believe he was on the bench
@Austin6403
Ай бұрын
@@carlostejada1654unreal
@MattGarcia-il9lx
Ай бұрын
This is where coaches differentiate themselves. Last night was just a "plug in standard closing 5" when it should have been "TJ is playing out of his mind, which 4 starters should close the game with him"
@wymanrtaylor
Ай бұрын
Knicks need that man backing-up Brunson
@MrAlvarez23
Ай бұрын
@@MattGarcia-il9lxThat's a great question. TJ was dictating what to do in the game. He had like 12-13 assist
Josh Hart is surprising the hell out of me during the playoffs. He's playing like he's trying to get a max contract next year.
@kevingriffith677
Ай бұрын
This is how Josh Hart has always played. Doesn't get the respect he deserves.
@sangun123
Ай бұрын
bro even last year in the playoffs i legit thought he was 6'8 with how he was getting offensive boards, and now he's leading the postseason??? it's wild af
@eliporter3980
Ай бұрын
@@sangun123 I had to google his height up to make sure he wasn't really a 7 footer. You look up and he has 20 pts and 20 boards. HOW SWAY?
@bivivivi1983
Ай бұрын
these guys aren’t even role players 😂 they’re just selfless players
When I listen to JJ talk basketball I feel like I’m in a math class.
JJ my brother - do not back down from the backwards hat movement. You and Dan Quinn will usher in an era of greatness for the backwards hat #RaiseHail
@JimmyDShea
Ай бұрын
Haha #raisehail
JJ…. Dude. I get it, you wanted all of the Alfred’s to be playoff guys… but hear me out. The injury to Malik Monk was the reason the Kings missed the playoffs this year. Go look at what happened to the kings season once he was out. That guy is the soul of that team. It is a tragedy that he did not make your list.
Building a team around Cousy where I would have ANYONE in the starting five handle the ball instead of him is crazy work, lol
@bleeperton181
Ай бұрын
they dribbled like that (straight up and down) because at the time anything horizontal, diagonal, etc., was called a carry. The game looks completely different then bc of all the rules/enforcement of certain rules are completely different. That's why I think it's unfair to compare eras
@schemekareem6174
Ай бұрын
@@bleeperton181 I understand that part, I’m saying that after hearing Cousy’s shooting numbers and knowing that he’s a great assist man, I would have put more shooting around him rather than four other guys who can be primary ball handlers.
@Jonathan-A.C.
Ай бұрын
I’m sure he’d adapt and still be great here (assuming the Time Machine shenanigans that go in with these hypotheticals), and it just makes it even better that all of them are great at dribbling
@Young-ep8ik
Ай бұрын
@@Jonathan-A.C.that’s not a given. Given how much money NBA players make today and how global the league is, you are competing with a talent pool that’s at least 100x in size. There’s no guarantee that the best player back then can even be a good player today with all the training etc, not players in the 50s. 90s and up yeah they have a chance
@cris1766
Ай бұрын
@@bleeperton181unfair to the old heads because they clearly arent better basketball players than current players😂
I only really watch my team, the Pacers. But I have no idea how people aren't raving about TJ McConnell, the man Shaq refers to, affectionately, as "Rudy." I try not to be too much of a Homer, but I've watched him dismantle almost every team in the league. With layups. And the vibes he puts out. Standout performance to me was against the Thunder, near the end of the season. It was late in the 1stQ when the bench got put in, 10 points down. Through the end of the 1st and into the 2nd, the Pacers bench destroyed three waves of Thunder that were thrown at them, going on a run that swung them from 10 points down to 10 points up. They had the ball zipping around every which way, making cuts, finding the open guy, and racking up assists. It was... beautiful. And, in the middle of it all, TJ McConnell. All due credit to Obi 3 Kenobi, Stix, Ben Shepard, and Dougie McBuckets for playing their parts, but, thanks to TJ, they looked like a full roster of all-stars for 6 or 7 glorious minutes. TJ changes the outcome of games. As a backup, and counterpoint, to Haliburton, in this "fast-and-free" Pacers system, he's a perfect fit. Milwaukee managed to keep TJ contained for most of the 1st round, but it wasn't an accident. They changed their entire defensive scheme, switching to a zone, when TJ was on the floor. Don't sleep on TJ, because I guarantee you that the scouting report of your favorite team isn't. Also, you should all know about "Bloody TJ." He normally doesn't shoot 3s, BUT, if TJ's blood is spilt upon the court of play, his soul becomes one with the entire sport of basketball, and he gains the additional power to knock down three-pointers without missing. I first witnessed this miracle in the last game of the season, against the Hawks.
@ZenOfMKVLI
29 күн бұрын
He's good and he's talked about, but there are other guys too
Mike Conley mentioned list goated
This video is a prime example of why I subscribed, love the Alfred analogy and subsequent team. Honestly, you're a better broadcaster than you were a player and I think you were a very good player. Your NBA career was JJ, your channel is MJ. Keep up the good work!
Them Christopher Nolan movies don't disappoint.
Best basketball podcaster by far, appreciate you for keeping it simple brotha
SIMONEFONTECCHIO gets some love!! Finally 💙 🇮🇹
Thank you, Sir!! This category needs more recognition in the league. My favorite players to watch! I watch the NBA now just out of the skill that all the players display. It's amazing indeed. But those players who go hard and show 110% grit make the game for me. Great list. PS. I loved your game at Duke but then missed your NBA career regrettably. Got back into the NBA post pandemic. So, I'm a big fan of your work and you have the best hair in the game. Love the POD and the commentator work. Keep up the great work. Go Duke!
Please make a definitive Robin list of players. So guys like AD, Kyrie, Booker. Basically guys that aren't good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
@justinkelly8764
Ай бұрын
i mean, dbook was 2 games away from being the best player on a championship team
@fringe_minority
Ай бұрын
@@justinkelly8764Let's be real here, DBook is not him
@andrijastojcic5695
Ай бұрын
@@justinkelly8764not to brag but I am 98 games away from being the best player on a championship team
@christianmorenocova
Ай бұрын
KAT! He’s his best self in his current role. Still a star, with a little less pressure, he absolutely shines!
@Heisenherb
Ай бұрын
Add Jaylen Brown and Donovan Mitchell to the list
Am I bad at counting or is that an 8 man rotation and not a 9 man rotation?? Counting is hard JJ, I get it 😂
I hope everyone finds someone who loves them as much as JJ loves Derrick White, the Alfred 🐐
Timberwolves whole bench could be here, NAW, Slowmo, Naz
JJ was straight cheating in The Build Around segment😭 I think he should make it a bit challenging and make rookies off limit, and should take into account dude who would get a pay bump if they resigned today.
@LongC0cky
Ай бұрын
I mean Wemby is gonna be on a similar contract next year so you think he shouldn’t pick Wemby next year as well?Yh I agree he cheated a little but it’s what it is can’t change the contracts😂
@holdengoldston13
Ай бұрын
Agreed. Bro basically chose 4 all stars💀
@TheChessRunner
Ай бұрын
@@holdengoldston13 4 players that all easily could make all NBA. Probably it will be only 2, but all stars is underselling them :p
@user-go6wy9wr7q
Ай бұрын
Exactly, it's why it's so easy to make a championship team, you can pick a guy who signed his contract 3 years ago before his prime
id like to see how Marcus Smart performs as an Alfred next season
This is what I want to see. Giving the rest of the players props for doing their damn job extremely well.
lol nuggets boston preview shows how old the last segment is
@zekemargaritis3713
Ай бұрын
I don’t get why he’d even include it
@basedboi3956
Ай бұрын
How the turn tables
@JaMorantBiggerArm
Ай бұрын
We back
JJ you are a freakin' nutcase and I love every bit of it. I made this statement after hearing your choices for Bron & Wemby . . . this exercise is bananas. You are a breath of fresh air sir!
Great picks!! Whenever I hear about lists like this I immediately think Steven Adams. (Unfortunately out this season) The guy is the workhorse who makes it easy for his other team mates. He’s not trying to be the showboat but he’s definitely the guy who consistently delivers. Also he diffuses unnecessary player escalation. Solid player. 24/25 season with the Rockets will be exciting.
Man, love your podcasts!
This is the most Bill Simmons thing I’ve ever seen and I love it.
God damn i love when you go full youtube
Not sure how you are doing all this JJ. Putting in the work and it’s paying off. Take notes kids.
the way JJ looks at the camera when he picks Bron... bro😂
This video is one of the many reasons why JJ shouldn’t leave this job for a coaching job in the nba. The fans need this
Before even watching this video I knew TJ McConnell would be on this list
This needs to be a real award
It’s crazy you posted this today me and my brother were talking last night about dudes like Josh hart, Derrick white, Aaron Gordon who are stars in their roles and their respective teams would not be near as good without them or a player like them
Knew Josh Hart would be on here but glad Hartenstein was on here. People just completely disregard his impact, but the offense and defense are both entirely different when he’s on the floor
: My list : Al Horford, Naz Reid, Josh Hart, DWhite, Lu Dort, Jalen Suggs, TJ McConnell, Herb Jones, PJ Wasington, Bobby Portis
these are awesome
My top tier list(no order in tiers) Yannis Joker Embidd ------------- Mitchell Brunson Alexander Luka Ad Tatum(or 3rd tier) ----------------- Ant man Kyrie Teyrese h(or 4th tier) George Lebron Booker Curry Durant --------------- Top players tier list
Really didn't expect a clip from The Trip.
@olimatejko6635
Ай бұрын
JJ has some taste!😂
@davidmcintosh4590
Ай бұрын
Deep cut
Backwards hat JJ is the equivalent to Hoodie Melo, whole different beast!
I just knew we were getting a Josh Hart appreciation video today
I love this
Love your content JJ. Let’s be real, outside of Jalen Brunson… my entire Knicks squad is on the Alfred Squad 😂
Ciao J.J., in Italy we call him SIMONEFONTECCHIO altogether and we love him. He will surely do even better in the coming seasons
i've been a neutral watcher this playoffs and i feel like the mavs role players especially the 2 wings (DJJ/PJ) have been severely underrated. the offense have been getting carried by offense by the stars but their defense made their system works especially when defending in space
Derrick white got tired of burying Batmans and just threw on the cape himself. ☘️
Glad Grayson got a shoutout sad he left Memphis
tbh the whole knicks & wolves supporting cast could make it 😂
@dkarmusic5424
Ай бұрын
No cap💯
You had me at Hart
Lol. Love the batman analogy.
i think an interesting discussion could be how far does an all-alfred 15 man roster go in the playoffs
JJ is the best former player turned commentator/analyst in the media. he needs his own show on TV
Yessss JJ Simone is a great role player, great call
Rahhhh 🦅🦅Simone Fontecchio mentioned
Love this. Gotta give flowers to people who want to win
TJ was only 3rd string PG cause we were developing Drew Nembhard to be the future backup PG. Then we found he can play the 1-2 combo with Rese. TJs talents were never in question. His ability was always high and known. His only issue was his timeline wasn't the same as the Pacers timeline at the start of the year.
Build around Cousy -Cousy - Divincenzo - Paolo Banchero -Lauri M -KAT -Malik Monk -Naz Reid
Here for the Fontecchio love🗣️🇮🇹
As long as Bobby rebounds, I think most in MKE would take a bullet for him
@XxHistorikxX
Ай бұрын
15 and 7 off the bench while shooting 50% from the field? I'll take 10 bullets for Mayor Bobby.
Bro this starting 5 is CRAZY
How many guards clean up stuff on the backside like KCP (yes I know Derrick White). Also Aaron Gordon omission is a bit crazy, the Nuggets rely on AG more than the Suns do Grayson
Is this regular season award or including playoffs?
JJ is so good at being a believable troll 😹
Congratulations Jokic on 3rd MVP! Well deserved!! 👍👏🥳🥳🔥🔥
Alfred “Why do we turn our hats around Master JJ?.. So we can TURN THEM AROUND AGAIN!”
JJ just built the team the Celtics think they have now
really confused how mike conley is making it but not AG. Definition of the role player
Tre Jones, Luguentz Dort, Josh Hart, Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, Grayson Allen, Deni Avdija, Isaiah Hartenstein, Naz Reid, Walker Kessler; add Joel Embiid = Championship
Josh Hart vs IND played for the full 48 mins for both games🤯
Derek White new nickname “The Butler”
Josh Hart, Donte Divincenzo, and Derrick White should be everyone's favorite role players
Not mentionning nicolas batum for the all alfred team is crazy to me hes thé définition of an Alfred
@joeblazey048
Ай бұрын
hes old, in his prime for sure
Terance Mann should be up for consideration for all Alfred team
Can you talk about how roster building has changed over the past few years and how the big 3 era is dying. Teams are starting to more highly value solid rotational guys to go along with their star. Feels like teams are valuing fit and depth a little more than in the 2010s.
JJ, love all the stats...big stats guy here. However, technically, Josh Hart may have the most rpg by a guard overall, but if you look minutes played, I believe Brandon Podziemski takes it
The disrespect to Lucius Fox and Oracle here is criminal. Batman constantly relies on their skills as well
I want to see the All Alfred Team for players whose teams didn't make the playoffs.
Love d white getting the respect here 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
Yo JJ, congrats on having the 2nd best hair in sports media
@motm369
Ай бұрын
Stephen A. Takes the cake
@EstebanDVO
Ай бұрын
What about Richard Jefferson?
@dvdv8197
Ай бұрын
After Shaq
@LeleAlilio
Ай бұрын
👌🏼
As a Celtics fan im STOKED to see Horford get his flowers!
Solid points, JJ… Being an Alfred just means you’re willing to cede the position to someone else as Batman. Even if that Alfred was at some point(s) a Batman For example, Dwade and Shaq in 06. Shaq was more of an Alfred (12 ppg and 8 rpg) for the finals While Dwade 40 ppg Dwade and LeBron, the first championship D wade was an Alfred There is definitely no shame to being an Alfred! Because even hall of famers often times become Alfred’s in due time
That Jayson Tatum guy for Boston puts up decent numbers as a role player.
The idea of Batman, Robin, Alfred. People gotta understand a team has a bunch of players, who have their role. Of course a guy who excels at scoring and making tough plays and decisions is incredible and on a level of his own but its a team game, its not for everyone to be the "superstar" but everyone can contribute for success
how can you put maxey over edwards for build around
Austin Reaves! When Lebron and AD were out, he crushed it, and when they play, he does what they don't.
When it comes to discarding useful role players for no good reason, my clippers are unmatched 😭😭 good to see I Hart getting some love
Old Man and the Three backwards hats needs to be a thing.
I wonder if a team of Alfred’s could win it all
Counting to 150 million is easy but 9 is a bit tough 😭😂
The only thing I feel this show needs is a bit more graphic support. I know this might be an stylistic choice but the entire bottom left corner was empty. How about a the faces of the people that have been selected? the 10 squares there and fill them up as you name the player...
The Andre Iguodala award
Josh hart was guarding pascal siakam for a good portion of this series... He is 6' 4.... six foot fking FOUR!!!!
Glad KCP got his recognition, but I thought Aaron Gordon was a lock for the Alfred team
Field goal percentage should always be compared to the era's average. Sub 40s was not atrocious back then, if you know how the game was played.
The draft around a legend is awesome, but perhaps maxey and wemby should have counted as max players not their rookie salary, so its not easy;p
Can’t wait for JJ to become a head coach just to move heaven and earth to get Derrick white in his team