The Defender Who Stayed OP For 4 Years.......
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"Typically operators get released OP and get nerfed over time" Then theres Jaeger, a day one operator thats been nerfed with the same regularity as FIFA releases but still remains at the very top of the pecking order. This man just straight up refuses to be made meta irrelevant.
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
With a gadget that counters projectiles, which are have the gadgets in siege, he will always be relevant unless they rework him.
@realsupercobble
Жыл бұрын
Really? I rarely see anyone playing Jaeger anymore, especially in my high k/d lobbies.
@TheOneCoolNerd
Жыл бұрын
Jaeger can have his guns taken away completely making him melee only and people will still pick him for his gadget. Wamai was meant to be a second option to him, but his frisbees get destroyed by explosive projectiles they grab, and he gets them gradually over the round, vs jaegers ADS which are just so much better.
@patrickchapman9881
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, the only thing he has going for him is his gadget. Lots of defenders have better guns.
@nomorebrofist
Жыл бұрын
He is just necessary when you want to hold down an area, wami would prob get picked a lot more of he got all his discs from the start as it would somewhat be on thr same level Jager ads is at
The problem with maestro is that other defenders do his job better. Valkyrie gives more intel and her cams are hard to find plus she has c4 and a headshot machine, and echo is way better at plant denial plus he has a deployable shield and a good gun. theres no reason to pick maestro other than his gun being better than echo's and valkyrie's
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that is true. I just wish they'd give him a slight buff because he could be meta again with just some slight tweaks
@LorisTheUntethered
Жыл бұрын
Could easily put it as though he's not as good as Valk and Echo at their specific roles, he does both of their jobs decently with a better gun than both, while only taking one space on the team.
@The_condom_man
Жыл бұрын
Agree with valk but with echo is kind of debatable,the evil eyes can deny drones and can see through smokes,which yokai can't do,maestro also has better gun than echo. So it's really depends what u want. Plus the evil eyes still require some sort of utility to take down,while yokai can take down by bullets.
@Sean_Connery
Жыл бұрын
@@The_condom_man no they don’t require utility. Every operator has a knife and then the camera has to be exposed to see and can be shot.
@luzinaldoalbuquerque3513
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP you think he would be more viable if he had a 1.5?
Maestros hardest nerf IMO came in the form of Brava, she turns maestro into a liability
@TacoDudeYum
Жыл бұрын
Thats y u ban brava or dont run maestro or kapkans
@legraff78
Жыл бұрын
@@TacoDudeYum Yeah, but you only get one ban and there might be other more important ones\
@TacoDudeYum
Жыл бұрын
@@legraff78 brava is always a good ban
@orangeondaxbox2768
Жыл бұрын
@@TacoDudeYumin gold maybe
@_bloxxer
Жыл бұрын
@@orangeondaxbox2768 yeah go do ur generic average Joe thatcher jackal ban u hard stuck bronze
As a beginner I want to like Maestro because he appears straight-forward, but I really struggle with making good use of his cameras, since they are so much more difficult to place effectively than Valk's. Many times I find them shattered or going unused if placed on site. Good vid as always, 15k around the corner!
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. I'm happy you enjoyed the vid. Yeah maestro is definitely an operator that has a high skill gap. Also, a lot of people will misuse which I think contributes to him getting a bad rep. Hopefully he gets buffed and cheers to 15k!
@wileysykora2126
Жыл бұрын
From a Maestro main use his bailiff and impacts to blow a floor or ceiling and put your maestro on the other side, or put them in a position right outside site where you can annoy with your laser while a teammate punishes from another angle. I also like putting them on the wall above a hatch and then shooting out the hatch so no one can walk up and melee.
@Doctor.Trolling
Жыл бұрын
A good rule of thumb is to place it on a wall next to a hatch and then destroy that hatch with the bailiff so that they can't melee the camera.
@pleasesubihaveeightkids
Жыл бұрын
that’s why you have to place your cams around you so that you’re almost constantly on them. and why you have to move the lense away from the enemies. he’s definitely a much higher skill op than he used to be. but if you know what you’re doing he’s good on a lot of sites where you double down on utility
@unityagar7385
Жыл бұрын
Just remember that videos on the subject are done with an experienced players mindset! Always adapt the knowledge to what helps you today, and that you can retain easily! Don't try to force yourself to know everything all at once upon hearing it for the 1st time! You gotta experience the issues in a match to truly understand what you can and can't do to fix them next time. It doesn't hurt watching others on your team too from time to time to pick up on things. You'll get there!
Some people might not know/remember back then, the Alda’s hipfire spread got tighter the longer you hipfired.
I remember commenting about this on your valkyrie vs maestro vs echo video. Seeing maestro acog brings back so many good memories. Idk if his cams can still be place outside but they used to be so good for denying hardbreach. One example is the main wall in armory site on border.
@lNovalandl
Жыл бұрын
they can usually just melee the cam to break the glass prevent you from denying the breach tho
@Doctor.Trolling
Жыл бұрын
@@lNovalandl If they do that you could probably just listen for when the hard breach goes off because they all make a pretty loud noise
The shattered glass change was so insanely stupid. Makes the game so much less tactical especially with the introduction of the attackers being able to switch ops in drone phase. The amount of counters people like Mira and maestro have is quite high and yet they nerf them. It just requires a minimal amount of team coordination or thought to counter Mira and same goes for maestro except his counters are picked quite frequently anyway. So stupid.
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah specifically for maestro it was dumb because, like you said, his counters are picked all the time. With mira it made sense because if you are letting someone melee your mira window its more than likely just down to bad placement.
@whowoulge1256
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP i disagree, you cant always be on your mira and miras arent exclusively for peaking around them i liked using them as intel. it makes her very one dimensional imo and was really unnecassary
@lNovalandl
Жыл бұрын
@@whowoulge1256 i think the broken glass change with bulletproof cams and the like really helped the gunfight heavy meta we have rn cause it's kinda useless to have utility when operators like iana and ash can already get rid of them and frag better than an operator that has utility
It is worth noting that with every intentional nerf came an indirect nerf too. Every time Dokkaebi got buffed made her counter him more. Brava also completely ruins his utility and makes him more harm than good with his evil eyes. There’s also many other things like Ash, Zophia, and the gonne-6 that just directly counter the evil eye to name a few. Alda is still crazy good though
They need to lower the sens on valks cams in console
@vanshae8605
Жыл бұрын
this! I don’t rlly even think its a niche issue bc Valk is so good, idk why they dont add camera sense settings, hopefully its added soon
@Slamhin
Жыл бұрын
@@vanshae8605 it’s based on your own sens or ur ads
@vanshae8605
Жыл бұрын
@@Slamhin thats not true
@Slamhin
Жыл бұрын
@@vanshae8605 yes it is I turned down my hor and vert it my ads to 1 and it was slow asf
@vanshae8605
Жыл бұрын
@@Slamhin i’m saying that it’s not a solution, i’m not going to play on 1 now am i? They need to add camera specific sensitivity i main sam fischer and valk it hurts
I enjoy playing maestro, great guns gadget utility, hes an amazing underrated op that i play often and so should others
Brava begs to differ. Every match I play I see an evil eye existing only long enough to see where a push is coming from. The second it's seen, they're systematically taken out first by brava, zoph, ash, sledge, thatcher, or anyone with an emp or normal grenade. There's a few attacker guns that can kill in 2 hits as well with the long barrel attachment. Those being zero's SC, maverick's m4, iq and grim's commando, and capitao and bravas para. Counters most guns these days, especially slow moving operators. This is just my insight though. Interesting view you got personally, and I like the vid. Good work bro
Maestros cameras biggest downfall besides being able to punch the glass was the armor to health change, making plants much harder to deny especially if finka is picked.
@mps_horizon122
Жыл бұрын
yeah fr, it nerfed a lot of ops, like all the healing ops as well as most trap ops/ ops with damaging gadgets
Me and my friends haven't played in LITERALLY years now, but when we started it happened to be towards the end of the season Maestro released and honestly I never even noticed until like a year later when going through the operator release order. All that aside, I actually happened to be a Maestro main. While I of course didn't LIKE having my main nerfed, it was absolutely justified. The part that I wasn't a fan of is the melee ruining the visibility. In my experience generally playing at high gold to low plat (sometimes a bit higher due to friends being higher ranks) I was actually really good at getting insane value out of his cameras. There was really 2 strategies behind it. Finding sneaky/secret spots that met certain criteria, OR to use it as a support/chip tool catching people by surprise. Attacker pushing an angle? Sneak 3 - 5 shots in on them. Past that just open the lens very slightly to make noise and they'll focus on your camera again. The criteria I'm referring to was basically either unexpected/sneaky spots, spots that were simply hard to shutdown requiring gadgets like say Ash or Zofia, and/or spots that made them extremely safe from EMPs. Border and Kafe both had spots that basically fit the entire bill, nowadays I'm not so sure. Border previously was the Armory/Archives site, you would climb the computer in Archives, go onto the shelf and place a cameras as high as you could on the back wall. Also break the sort of fence thing at the top of the wall to the right. This would let you get vision/scan like half of Offices, the entirety of Archives, most of Armory, and outside of the Archives window. All while being in a spot that is hard if not impossible to reach for attackers at the time I was playing (I know it's changed now) and so certain counters like Sledge/Maverick didn't work, Jager ADS' had to be cleared and frags properly timed, or again gadget commitment like Zofia or Ash. EMPs wouldn't work either if you were on the camera as you just look up and due to the height it's not really killable. Kafe was basically the same, Kitchen site in the room west of the objective. There was a sort of shelf you could climb on with the right angle. Basically all the criteria was the same, difference was attackers could also climb up but often didn't know how so less exposed to do so, but less often done. Bonus was this spot also faced one of the primary push points for attackers and breachers were popular picks when guessing a Kitchen pick, because of how out of the way it was you could often sneak a free first pick onto the breaching gadgets. Btw goofy strat that was awful but fun was doing run outs as Maestro to place the Evil Eye on certain sites. It would USUALLY just get trashed, but if the attackers didn't think about it you could really do some damage with it destroying gadgets, getting chip on the attacker's entry to site, etc. My 2 favorites were (again) Border Armory running onto that balcony part outside Armory and placing one in the corner, or the worst by far was Chalet making a hole in the garage door by snowmobile, running out and placing a camera then reinforcing after. If they rushed fast you were doomed, if they were a bit slow it was at least SOMETIMES a threat.
A good tip for using his evil eyes. If you put them as hugh up as possible in a wall. You can make the camera look up at the ceiling and it makes it so it cant be punched by attackers.
Thanks for crediting me for the Theme Park cinematics! Just saw this. :)
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Np bro 💙
One thing people don't use maestro for, is that hes a great pick for when the site has a hatch above, since you can place a cam and destroy any util on the hatch, or have the attackers waste util destroying the cam.
With Brava being a thing now though, he's even worse- putting those cams down guarantees an attacker switches to Brava and turns them into a gigantic liability. I know I've done it and literally hobbled the entire enemy team.
@ricechido1089
Жыл бұрын
The thing with brava is she’s a mid round power house and over time people will realize she’s not that strong as one makes it seem
@LumenNeon
Жыл бұрын
@@ricechido1089it’s not the fact she’s strong, it’s the fact of fear if you pick maestro they pick brava and you are instantly countered
Many people places the evil eyes then leaves them as be. This makes Brava to steal them. Dont leave them.
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah you have to be a lot more active when playing maestro now
@armagedoc66
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP i tried to steal once on bank, bro was on the eyes and directly shot my drone.
The idea of bulletproof glass being immune to getting cracked by bullets but getting cracked by a simple melee hit is ridiculous. This is such a shitty change.
Sounds silly but personally I would like him to have the prb pistol (same as capital) just so he has some useable secondary firepower… the reload rework makes his lmg a lot more restrictive to use due to its lengthy reload and a semi auto pistol might help counteract that.
I dont care what anyone says Maestro will always be my go-to. Amazing with a plan and still viable without a plan. fun LMG and funny Auto DMR. Not to mention the Impacts+Balif can open site and open walls to increase camera sightlines.
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Maestro is a really slept on operator right now
the favella map was so underrated, definitely a top 5 map
I think it should take 3 melees to shatter the glass. It makes it just a little harder to do and gives the defenders a chance to intervene
@mps_horizon122
Жыл бұрын
yeah and the visibility gets less with more melees (makes sense as bulletproof glass has multiple layers and not just one)
I remember Tachanka being a menace in open beta
I can't just let that "One of the worst operators" slide. I have a friend who's a Clash main and he's able to almost singlehandedly turn the game into a win just from how he plays Clash. She does have counterplay but I almost never see anyone actually pick counters to her and they suffer for it. A lot of really bad games I've been in have been straight up won because of Clash.
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah clash is alright but the point was that on a content side of things she didn't really brings much. Just another shield op which a lot of people found to be boring
@rootobia
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP To be fair she's the only shield op on defense, but I do get that I suppose. I've always seen her as a complete change to gameplay on both sides when a Clash is involved. But I don't see many people play her.
@DeputyFish
Жыл бұрын
@@rootobia she's boring. unfun to vs. and is bad in terms of balance
I used to be a maestro main and currently don’t pick him solely because of Brava unless some one is running mute and mozzie
Thunderbird never rose to the meta? Yea alright
I was a maestro main the whole period of time you covered in this video but killing blow was barava's drones almost always your evil eyes gonna hurt ur team other than help
You should make a video on best hard breachers
You did Thorne and thunderbird dirty
I use maestro frequently but brava makes maestro and valk very scary to use where it’s like u have to hope a tea te has ur back at all times to not get your camera havked
Sad thing is, Maestro is still amazing, he's my defense main, but I have only ever seen three people, besides myself, pick maestro in a game I was in in the six months I've been playing siege. I mean, it's good for me, cause I get to use him, but it's still sad.
i have never heard a worse take on thunder bird in my life
The glass break was one of the hardest nerfs he took. I think with all the new operator gadgets on attack now that THAT change should be reverted at least. Mira's black mirrors can stay as-is, but let Mr. Meatball have a chance again in the meta as-is please :( Things that counter Maestro: 1.) Sledge 2.) Thatcher 3.) Fuze (If cluster charge is placed in the right area) 4.) Ash 5.) Twitch (If the shutters are open) 6.) Zofia 7.) Maverick 8.) Kali 9.) Flores 10.) Brava 11.) Gonne-6 12.) Frag Grenades 13.) Impact EMP's 14.) Melee'ing the Glass 15.) Your own teammates Melee'ing the glass 16.) Your own teammates shooting you before you can use your gadget The last 2 are a bit of a joke, but the point still stands. There's SO MANY ways to counter the poor man, let him have at least SOME better resilience against this stuff >.
Holy shit the hip fire was really that good.
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was extremely busted
Maestro 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Very well done video
This man is such a underrated rainbow six KZreadr
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Well I'm happy you enjoy the channel. Your comment means a lot. Hopefully I can keep up the good work :)
Love your vids
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Well I'm glad you enjoy em' 💙
OG shit lords remember drop shoting with maestro
The meta may change, but we won’t.
You didn't talk about how the recent LMG nerf affects the Alda
Maestro is kinda bad rn. With his cams being meleed, addition of gonne-6, brava. It's just too easy for attackers to deal with it. I can't bully people with an invincible turrent anymore.
I love maestro i think that the Only big nerf was the lost of the acog
Are we going to talk about how he said shifting tides was year 4 season 5?
"most busted gun..." tell me you werent an OG player without telling me XD lmfao. Frost shotty was terrifying. Valk shotty was crazy, black beard was broken af but gunwise he wasnt the absolute menace. SMG 11 with acog was hilarious and busted. The list goes on
Yeah well Brava is probably the biggest counter to Maestro than anything else, like thatcher countering bandit
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
I will say, I play Maestro a lot in ranked and you can easily prevent brava from hacking them by destroying her drones with your evil eyes, or just bringing a mute. If you let it happen its a devastating counter. But its hard for a Brava to pull off
@SpiderSpiderOnTheWall
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP dang didnt expect a reply from the man himself. I see what you’re saying but sometimes you arent always on your evil eye and the better brava players can just hack the mute jammers if they’re placed in bad spot or even the good spots
3:58 year four season FIVE 🔥
nerfing reload cancel made his painfully long reload on the Alda even worse
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
True, I didn't even think of that
Do u take requests? If so I request a vid for the best trap operators Which would include Kapkan Frost Lesion Thorn If u hadn't?
@annezox2521
Жыл бұрын
@@lNovalandl just edited the comment
clash is a great op the only issue it has is that it's an intel operator and it needs his team to support him which many people don't have. A clash can go in places and use audio and the ability of a shield that gives us where attackers are and more. And lesion is the most not nerfed operator bc if you ban IQ there is no counter for it. And even with IQ not being banned not many people pick her and not many people practice her ability and teamwork with it. A lesion mine slows attackers surprise them makes audio and he has about 4 mines by the first 30 sec of the action phase which many attackers are even outside the map. The only intel op that can compete with it is solis which is a game changer herself and a great range of seeing electronic devices.
@buttnuts2599
Жыл бұрын
Clash is good vs bad players and get progressively worse as you climb. Especially with atk repick good players and team will swap to zoph Kali impact emp nades ect and just immediately deal with you.
With the arrival of Brava Maestro got even worse. His cameras can easily be hacked. Valk and Echo do the Job better with gadgets, that can't be found and hacked so easily.
Give him a 1.5 and he will reign terror once again
Worst part about maestro and mira is how Azami kibas take 3 hits to shatter yet maestro and mira take 1 hit they should make it require 5
I stopped using him after the loss of his acog for no reason
Bro that was exactly what I was thinking at 4:29
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Very funny mate
“Thorn is one of the worst trap operators ever” Thorn: laughs with top 10 highest picked ops in pro league
so his ability is bulletproof, but can be shattered with a knife/butt of a gun
Yes but now there is brava + attacker's can just change operators
Maestro is now a bad pick with the introduction of Brava.
year 4 seazon 5? that didnt exist my guy
smoke?
Players forgotten why Maestro’s LMG had to be nerf and yet people in the Tachanka buff comments wants his LMG to have an ACOG. SMH.
Yeah i don't find maestro that useful sure he has the lmg but I'm looking. For more 1 shot potential without a stupid high fire rate cause i can't shoot heads but still i think the main thing holding maestro back is the fact he's both a 3 armor and doesn't have a magnifying scope but i feel like maestro would become meta again if he had a 1.5 on the lmg or any sight on it like could you imagine that he would become meta instantly
@linkinknight
Жыл бұрын
well you just said that you are too bad of a player too make use of him so?
Maestro is a strong op but he’s also kinda boring to use and he’s one of those you have to be good enough to clutch since he’s a op you have to be good at staying alive as Long as possible
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
I think him being boring is probably why his pick rate is so low. His ACOG made him a lot more fun
5:16 i think this is the most blasphemous thing i’ve heard in MONTHS about siege… she had a abusive AR and a full heal from 20 health revive. she had infinite uses over 3 stations and was a better doc with a better gun. “she never became meta”
Alibi-Skins are useless when her Holo doesn´t change with it ^^
It was all fun and games til R6 added Brava in the mix
Just gonna say if you know how to play clash right she is one of the best ops the smg is so fire and shocking people is just toxic enough to be fun
Maestro needs to have his sense on his camera lowered on console
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
I haven't played on console in years, so I wouldn't know the struggle. But from what I remember it was pretty slow when I played 4 years ago and honestly it wouldn't be a crazy ask for them to increase it
@solace8622
Жыл бұрын
YESSSS, He was one of the first operators I've bought when I first started playing and ever since then he's been so difficult to use with his camera sensitivity. We need individual camera sensitivity in settings.
Maestro finally got a massive buff in the latest season, attackers gaining use of evil eyes thru kludge drones makes his eyes insanely useful. I take maestro every round and watch the pathetic defenders get zapped to death.
@TheGamerYaserNuevo
Жыл бұрын
That's a nerf for him
@lNovalandl
Жыл бұрын
@@TheGamerYaserNuevo thats the joke
I love Thunderbird 🥺
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
lol I'm sorry she got some stray shots in this video....
@Yung_Baby_Lotion
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP 😂😂
@Yung_Baby_Lotion
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP they need to give her spear a 1.5
When will the r6 community realize that almost every op has there place and r6 simply isn't a game that you should main an op in. There isn't a meta for the game, each site has different metas.
3:55 year 4 season... 5?
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
I'm a little mentally ill sometimes. Please excuse that mistake lol
@fadetoblackened4407
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP we both play siege, mental illness is like a rite of passage
Another nerf was the reload rework for his LMG
@LMB02
Жыл бұрын
Don’t reload after every shot, simple
you just say thunderbird has never been that good? tf
The acog is a deciding reason for picking an operator. You are lying your ass off if you say otherwise, if it really doesnt matter everytime you use a dmr or slow firerate high dmg gun use a 1x. Spolier alert its not fun, also the acog or any greater than 1x scope gives mainly defenders the ability to spawnpeek with a better advantage than with a 1x and hold angles that are further away. I can tell you with a 200% garantee that if ash were to randomly get acog in this current meta, her pickrate is skyrocketing to 70%
Honestly he is still good it's just that his job done better by valk lot of the times and upto extent by echo sometimes.
Bro what about new op😊
Thunderbird never have a really impact on the game? Really? I Always find Thunderbird in any defensive team. I was used to ban her sometimes and now in my team is a must pick. Also Maverick was and is a game changer operator, It has a low pick rate now, just because there are the EMP nades. Clash Is one the worst operator if you dont know how to use It/ dont have a team. I know you were talking about Maestro, but dont under estimate those operators.
Maybe they could give his gun a 1.5
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
I would love that, but they'll never do it. He'd be downright over powered
@eagleriley
Жыл бұрын
@@BMP hmmmm..... maybe make him a 2 armor so his lack of a high power scope isnt as much of a problem
everyone who says clash is bad either they die to it and cant counter it nor cant play with it and always die with it
thunderbird was never meta? 😂 maybe that was jus me maining her then
@LetsFuckingGo17
Жыл бұрын
I can't say she was meta when she first came out because I didn't play yet but with the meta. We have now she is honestly kinda trash he gun has been nerfed to shit because of finka she lost her 3 speed rating which isn't a big deal but something that made her more appealing than other healing ops like doc. She only has 1x sights on a gun that isn't very good in the damage department and fire rate her heals are also kind of iffy because of the doc buff and rook buff. So the only thing she has for her is an okay gun a 2 speed impacts a c4 and okay heals. Sounds like she's only good for console lmao 😂
I disagree with your assessment on the alda releasing more op than the skorpion. Yeah it has a higher amount of bullets, but 41 bullets, at 900 rpm, with no recoil, angled grip, and on a three speed defender? Nah, alda was good but not THAT good.
Mute is the best operator in the game but nobody talks about it
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
Oh no trust me, you aren't wrong. He is at least Top 5
Honestly I feel maestro is still really good in the right player's hands, but not everyone's cup of tea.
@chef_1173
Жыл бұрын
i'm a maestro main myself since he came out and i've always known a lot of tricks for maestro letting me dominate with him
I dont believe hes op now i mean they destroyed hes gadget ?!
W vid 🫡
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
W mans
MAESTRO NEEDS 1.5 HEHEHEHEHEHEHE
@BMP
Жыл бұрын
It would be fun, but busted.....
ACOG isnt even that good anyways. if ur 2 feet away from ur opponent why use a sight that is emant for long range. use the 1.5 or any 1x
Brava ruined it now
i miss intel heavy siege, not this run and gun bs.
not really op if not in meta
I love how sweaty Siege nerds retroactively rewrite history.
I just prefer my girl Valkyrie. Sorry maestro mains
Stop click baiting with fake operators
I love the clickbait in the thumbnail I can already tell you'll be an annoying and surface level KZread channel Do not recommend
How is thorn a bad trap op ? I'm puzzled she's very good
Smoke still s+