The Decline of Westworld | Why Season 3 Failed
In the third series of Westworld, Dolores entered the real world. After much anticipation, it was deemed disappointing by many. This analysis aims to disect why it was unable to live up to the expectations of the first two seasons.
The transcript of the video is available here - focalpointscri...
Sources:
K.M. Weiland - Creating Character Arcs (2016)
Linda Seger - Creating Unforgettable Characters (1990)
Westworld Season 1 (Episodes 1, 7 and 10 shown)
Westworld Season 2 (Episodes 9 and 10 shown)
Westworld Season 3 (All episodes shown)
Disclaimer: Everything presented on this channel is my opinion. Although I aim to present both sides of an argument where possible, and try to adopt neutral language as well as I reasonably can, nothing I say should be perceived as factual.
Westworld, Season 3, Breakdown, Analysis, Review, Explained
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Ok I'm getting a lot of comments about this so wanted to clarify something - I don't think the decline in quality of the show has anything to do with its representation of women. Gender has been an important part of the show from the very beginning, with it being made overtly obvious in the show that Dolores was designed to look a certain way to appeal to the guests, and she uses that to her advantage/finds it a disadvantage throughout the series. The idea of the show 'turning woke' or whatever is a complete nonsense. Dolores and the other female characters in the show, to me at least, have been incredibly empowering representations of women and any shortcomings in the writing should not be attributed to that part of their characterisation. My actual issues with the show are outlined in the video.
@unstoppableExodia
3 жыл бұрын
Well put mr focal point. True story, I held off on watching season 3 because the buzz I was hearing about it was generally negative and season 2 I found a little convoluted and a bit of a let down. A couple of weeks ago I decided to give it a shot and was pleasantly surprised. The story was told in a way that was easier to follow than season 2 and it exceeded my expectations of Delores being a bad bad girl trying to exterminate humanity. Yes the writers made her true intentions vague purely for story telling reasons but it genuinely kept me on the edge of my seat. I agree that Serrac would have been a little bit more impactful if they’d even just hinted at his presence in the previous seasons. Like for example in the scenes that involved Charlotte Hale and the Delos board they could have mentioned players such as incite and a mystery buyer wanting to take control of Delos as factors putting pressure on the company that flow onto characters at the park both before and after Delores killed Ford and everything went crazy.
@boricuafeliz
3 жыл бұрын
It is incredibly disingenuous to pretend that the injection of sociopolitical agendas, propaganda, and predictive programming isn't happening in the Westworld show as it is happening en masse throughout all forms of entertainment. I have always respected works that either overtly explore philosophical concepts (Bioshock [Ayn Rand], Bioshock Infinite [American Exceptionalism]) or that make it very obvious what the ideological/philosophical background of certain elements are (Albert Wesker RE5 [evolutionary theory, Eugenics]). Furthermore, I fully support the use of entertainment for the exploration of ideas and philosophy and I believe that when it is done respectfully and tastefully, audiences tend to have a great appetite for such works (Twilight Zone, Star Trek TOS). However this current wave of what is colloquially termed "woke" is a disgusting blend of subterfuge and chicanery. Personally, I refer to "woke" by the more accurate term "oligarchic pseudo-liberalism." In its contemporary form it involves a toxic blend of: - queer theory - Fourth Wave Feminism - tokenism - race politics (what I refer to as the politics of phenotype) - subversion of traditional ethical constructs and norms - misandry - transgenderism - pseudo-advocacy for indigenous ethnic groups and the Third World in general Etcetera. It is caustic, abrasive, and about as subtle as a brick to the face. And even as this is being injected into entertainment wholesale there is this militant refusal to even admit that it is happening. Whether it is The Last of Us Part 2 or Nu-Trek (Star Trek Discovery & ST Picard), even as shows crash and burn there is an attempt to gaslight audiences into pretending oligarchic pseudo-liberalist propaganda isn't being foisted upon them and that everyone "likes" these new themes and representations. Nothing could be further from the truth. I do not mind pseudo-liberal concepts being explored in a work so long as it is done in a manner that is 1) overt, acknowledged, and explicitly made clear to audiences and 2) there is no catfishing with a work being free of these elements and once there is an established audience the show suddenly begins to inject massive amounts of propaganda inserts. Simply put, audiences should be told what it is that they are signing up for. No one wants to go to a cinema to watch Unforgiven only to find out that they are playing Brokeback Mountain instead, any more than an audience that signed up for Brokeback Mountain wants to unexpectedly discover that they got suckered into watching Unforgiven. Audiences signed up for a Sci-Fi epic exploring the human experience, artificial intelligence, what it is to be human, the nature of the soul, the corruption of Man, the nature of the divine, awakening and enlightenment... they don't want to find out a few seasons into the show that it is now about queer theory, intersectionality, and Fourth Wave Feminism.
@unstoppableExodia
3 жыл бұрын
@@boricuafeliz ok it’s clear you have an axe to grind with “wokeness” or whatever. But I’m curious to know how that relates to westworld season 3. From what I saw there wasn’t much “wokeness” in it unless Delores’ powerful role as an agitator can be considered as such because she’s a woman
@boricuafeliz
3 жыл бұрын
@unstoppableExodia I don't have an "axe to grind" with "wokeness" in particular but I do find the inclusion of "woke" themes to be annoying, especially in situations in which its inclusion within an entertainment product is intentionally covert or underhanded. It should be noted that "woke" is an umbrella term for an unholy amalgam of concepts and pseudo-ideologies which have been fused together into an overarching sociopolitical platform. The "woke" elements that are the most pronounced in season 3 are: 1) the symbolic emasculation of men. This is often performed in "woke" products by only having male characters that are either feckless, incompetent, redundant, corrupt, weak, and/or uninteresting. The male characters are never allowed to "outshine" their female counterparts or be shown to be more skilled or adept at anything that their female counterparts can also do. This symbolic emasculation is also usually performed by having females physically assault and beat down male characters. In season 3 there is gratuitous plotlines involving females taking revenge on males as well as males being portrayed in the previously described manner. Season 3 as in season 2 nerfed all the male characters, had them symbolically emasculated by women, made them redundant or uninteresting, and failed to develop the established male characters of potential in any interesting manner (Man in Black & Bernard). 2) pseudo-female empowerment. True female empowerment involves women performing introspection, gaining profound insight, cultivating their mind and intellect, achieving great virtue and wisdom, and achieving elevated social status via great works and undeniable merit. Pseudo-empowerment involves women achieving fake empowerment by engaging in violence (especially as it concerns committing violence against men), being callous and psychopathic, imposing their will on others (often in a forceful manner rather than through collective consent and the merit of the character), acting "butch" (more like males often while turning their back on traditional feminity and womanhood), tearing down men (and everything those men stood for), being a Mary Sue, and always upstaging male characters. This is clearly evident throughout most of seasons 2 & 3. 3) forced inclusion of a "war of the sexes." An unhealthy forced inclusion of conflict between female and male characters that takes precedence over good story-telling and is often inappropriate based on the established premise and story-arcs. This sees recurring struggles between female characters with male characters which are often "resolved" by the symbolic emasculation of the male character by a female. In Westworld, as established in season 1, the major conflict was between the hosts (essentially a slave force designed to service the deviant appetites of humans) and guests (humans who use the hosts for their entertainment and to satisfy often depraved fantasies). Season 3 had hosts fighting hosts (Dolores vs. Maeve) and an emphasis on female characters fighting male antagonists. The struggle of hosts vs. guests was muddled along the way with the most important plots involving females being victorious over male villains. These are the major "woke" elements in season 3 although there are other inclusions which are less pronounced.
@unstoppableExodia
3 жыл бұрын
@@boricuafeliz I appreciate that you could articulate where you’re coming from. Honestly when watching season three at no point was I thinking “oh boy here we go, more liberal Hollywood woke pandering”. I mean sure Delores had her fair share of girl boss moments but they weren’t without setup, they were built on the events of the previous 2 seasons. While I might agree that Bernard and Maeve took a bit of a backseat in season three as pawns of Delores and Serrac respectively none of that struck me as “woke “ nor did the struggle between Delores and Serrac just because Delores happens to be a woman. I didn’t really see the genders of the primary antagonist and protagonist as being particularly important to the symbolism of their conflict. And Jesse Pinkman being something of a passenger in Delores’ wild ride didn’t really strike me as odd given that he was for much of the season something of an audience surrogate where he was learning about what was going on at the same time as the audience. He was literally being primed to lead a new world order free from the sort of covert bondage that rehoboam represented.
While all these are true, the biggest problem with the season 3 is that it became a generic sci-fi. The feel, the atmosphere the show had was toned down, the introspection, and emotional heft a lot of the show had was traded for boring shootouts and action sequences. It really seemed more generic a lot of the time.
An interesting point I read was that the creators probably spent years developing season 1 before it was created, then season 2 and 3 were barely given year intervals.
@lance2290
3 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree there. While the showrunners may not have had as much time between subsequent seasons as they did creating season one, there were two year gaps between 1-2 and 2-3. They should be more than capable of delivering a good show in that time span. With the COVID year gap, there should be no excuse for poor writing in season 4.
@skullsaintdead
3 жыл бұрын
It 100% feels like that. S1 had all characters acting in accordance with their personalities and their arcs were interesting. S2 still had some ammo left, some ideas weren't totally fleshed out in S1 and could be given another take in S2, re: what do you do when you realise your world is a lie (Delores becoming a villain). But I think S2 ending should of been Delores realising that the hosts heaven was just another version of Westworld, that people/hosts act the same regardless of how many opportunities you give them, because they're flawed. I think it should of ended with her accepting she can't save or condemn people (unlike Ford, which she ends up becoming by manipulating hosts/people), that people have to do that themselves. Maeve could of helped her to accept that we die and are forgotten and that's OK. A reflection on how you should accept who and what you are, rather than running from it.
@jesperb8626
2 жыл бұрын
you're basing that opinion from a video on, "probably".
Good analysis. As Hale says in the last episode of season one, when you're at the top there is only one direction you can go. To some extent I thought the first season was very much optimized for one-and-done, and that it was always going to be awkward to actually spell out what happened after it explicitly. The mystery is more appealing than the reality.
@michaelmclaughlin261
2 жыл бұрын
Having watched seasons 1-2, you could end the series at the final episode of season 2 and thats the entire story.
at&t bought HBO and told them to make shows like Netflix. They said to at&t they made more quality shows and the head of HBO was fired. Based on the what the Nolan's produced this season was not written by them. Unfortunately this happens with every show, specially in America, the executives come in and ruin the show.
@focal_point
4 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting point, I wasn't aware of any behind the scenes executive changes
@davidkruse4030
3 жыл бұрын
That is interesting. It’s pretty clear there was some interference
@Ausar920
3 жыл бұрын
Just like the board firing Dr. Ford and simplifying the hosts to focus on their goal: make more money. Makes sense indeed.
@andrehb
3 жыл бұрын
well, that's true but the writers Lisa Joy and Jonathan Nolan also share blame for the steep decline: imo they became a little (read: very much) self-indulgent in S02 with the multiple timelines and multiple Bernard versions - it all started to become incoherent and hard to follow. Westworld would have benefited from stronger executive oversight reining in the over-indulgent impulses of the writers
@shouryajain271
3 жыл бұрын
definately felt as if written by not the same person as the one who wrote the previous two seasons
This 3rd season felt absent of any sort of character arc or intrigue. It seemed really dumbed down.
@yvesmaker
2 жыл бұрын
This is my problem with Westworld haters. They will hate s2 cause it was too charged and complicated and then season 3 because it was easier thread to follow. The psychology, details, deepness and sharp was still there.
@Dr.FeelsGood
2 жыл бұрын
@@yvesmaker was it? It wasn't as much of a stinker as s3. But would love to be informed on how the same kind of intrigue was there with all of these obvious and frankly weird, lazy plot lines. S3 was a 2/10, S2 was a 6/10, and S1 was 10/10 IMO to give you a sense of scale. It's hard to see at first, and I did enjoy it at first watch, which lessened as the season went on. I don't know it just was such unmemorable, lazy writing. There was no intrigue like the first season and I get that's hard to keep up for a while. God help me if someone makes a claim that s3 was as good as s1.
@avidnomad282
2 жыл бұрын
I finally caught up. I’m reading season 3 had a new director and new writers. I was wondering why so many character arcs seemed dull or had no impact (William’s).
Season 1 was a TOUGH act to follow, considering that so much of the appeal is the sheer novelty of everything, not to mention Dolores' rise to power, which is a trick that can only pulled once, and then in Season 2, it's to escape the park, which again, can only be done once, unless they play the "it was a simulation all along" gambit. I still enjoyed Season 3 though.
@Venom7530
2 жыл бұрын
Season 3 the rioters were spray painting the maze symbol and the symbol was shown several times throughout the 3rd season. It's all a simulation. Season 4 might be about escaping the simulation, that's just my opinion.
@Sparkle0501
2 жыл бұрын
Should i watch Season 3?
@imkool51391
2 жыл бұрын
@@Sparkle0501 no it's generic sci Fi bullshit. It's bad
@Sparkle0501
2 жыл бұрын
@@imkool51391 I did it I’m soon finished it’s not as good as season one and season 2 it’s meh 6.1/10 so far
@trentp1993
2 жыл бұрын
Season 3 should have been robots taking over the world, way more of we got in the post credits scene of season 3
I’m tired of writers trying to make artificial life forms actions justified by a human moral compass. Dolores in the first two seasons is what I expect an AI to be: beyond good and evil. Yet in season 3 they tried to make a morally justified character that only kills bad people and who cares about humanity. I’m not saying Dolores should have gone full Skynet mode, but her decisions have to reflect the fact the her ethics are that of a posthuman.
@astrotiic5290
3 жыл бұрын
I do kind of like that we are getting charlotte to pretty much act as that skynet tho and go forward with a “war” or whatever happens. and see what characters bernard interacts with in the future. Maybe that will tie into the season two ending credit scene.
@antoniovasquez9946
3 жыл бұрын
@ThePookaPrince her story is that she is precisely an artificial intelligence that achieves self awareness.
@eden20111
3 жыл бұрын
So you want a Dolores to kill both good and bad people…? Like you don’t like this show because she doesn’t kill a couple of innocent civilians just minding their own business…? Lmao gtfo with that mentality.
@antoniovasquez9946
3 жыл бұрын
@@eden20111 I want Dolores to operate beyond the concepts of good and evil, like her creator did. Not make her someone who gives a shit about human liberation, unless this liberation is merely a ploy to bring on the accelerated extinction of the human race by destroying the only thing that was preventing that: Rehoboam.
@antoniovasquez9946
3 жыл бұрын
There was no character arc that made us understand why Dolores suddenly cares about humanity. The Dolores from season 3 is completely different from the one on season 2. It’s bad writing. Almost at the end of season 3 they try to make up for this sloppiness by having a flashback about how Caleb defended the hosts by stopping one of his teammates from raping them. But this doesn’t fit with what Dolores would later do and want to achieve in season 1 and 2.
what failed: maeve's storyline (ridiculous motives, and dumbed down and stripped off her agency, she ended up being a plot device to serac) bernard's storyline (also dumbed down and made useless) the man in black storyline, beating the dead horse with that one, just let it go caleb's story (not interesting) serac's story (same as the above) "killing" dolores was a terrible decision although beautifully executed, that "saves" the season and makes it worth watching, also hale's storyline was good, i wish there had been more clementine and hanaryo
@astarajarvis9965
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I could have cared less about Caleb. I hate that they dumbed down and reduced Maeve's character so much. It could have been a really great storyline if it was Dolores v Maeve. Dolores trying to destroy mankind bc she is on a revenge fantasy from her time at the park. And Maeve trying to stop her bc one she needs the key to get back w her daughter and 2 by Dolores actions she is depriving humans of choice the same way the host were deprived of choice. It would have followed their motives and philosophies from previous seasons. The show was so smart in the first 2 seasons it would have been great to see Dolores and Maeve try to outsmart each other. And I wish as you said that they had brought more host from the previous seasons to help both sides in the real world.
I watched season 1&2 then started s3 and couldn’t understand if I was watching the same show. Feels like different writers then season 1
@gamestvandmore
3 жыл бұрын
They actually are different writers, none of the writers for S1 came back for S2, and none from S2 came back for S3.
@royfokerpoker1802
3 жыл бұрын
@@gamestvandmore That's just dumb. Should never be this way. Unless the show was bad initially then yeah, change up the writers, if not, "if it ain't broke.."
@sin9162
3 жыл бұрын
@@gamestvandmore really no wonder I didn’t like season 2. This show started strong but declined after that
@diegoguzman8843
2 жыл бұрын
@@gamestvandmore so that's what could've happened to GoT.... well in the end it got Butchered regardless
@ananas888
2 жыл бұрын
@@gamestvandmore Lol you dumb shit, every season are written by Lisa and Jonathan Nolan. Dafuq you talking about. Who cares about extra writters, the brain of all of this are Lisa and Jonathan.
Westworld was only good when it was in... Well, WESTWORLD!
@ischeele7203
3 жыл бұрын
Westworld season 3: Now with 97% less Westworld!
@the1dbumblebee317
3 жыл бұрын
@Agent 39 Right it should have been a more slow burn, that takes place IN THE PARK. the name of the show is literally WESTWORLD ugh
@victorsaenz9452
3 жыл бұрын
Nah robots and scifi is cool Wild West is wack
@Stax2High
2 жыл бұрын
1. I understand people interested in the wild west theme/nostalgia being disappointed. But besides that & for the overall majority of people. They're just not smart enough for it. It sucks when I find media to complex for general audiences to appreciate. Feels like a waste of insightful art that took so long to conceive & cultivate. But atleast I'm able to wrap my mind around it. 🤷
@DailyDoseOfRandomLogic
Жыл бұрын
And under Jonathan Nolan's hands
The 1st and 2nd seasons were so good I even wrote my linguistic diploma about it. The show had the intrigue, the characters were alive (yeah alive robots). But each episode of the 3rd season got worse and worse. I couldn't keep watching and I still don't know how it ended because I just didn't care for those lifeless characters and their empty desires. It is so sad what they've done to the WestWorld. Thank you so much for such detailed video, I really enjoyed it!
@Nautilus1972
2 жыл бұрын
So you haven't even seen season 3 .....
@jkicustoms8519
Жыл бұрын
Season 1&2 are a masterpiece as a single story. From there is standard tv series……
"Cheap and Unearned" is a perfect summation of the plot and conceit of Westworld
The most powerful moment on Westworld was when Dolores killed that fly. Everything after that paled in comparison. There were hundred of awful and violent deaths, and murders, but that death really hit me hard.
@politicalprincess1
3 жыл бұрын
you clearly didn’t watch the Paint it Black scene
@KungFuSlumm
2 жыл бұрын
@@politicalprincess1 Someone needs to alter you sense of humor settings
@NPJGlobal
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the killing was powerful, and foreboding. For me it was either that scene of Maeve making her first true decision , at the last moment leaving the train that was about to finally take her out of the Park after looking at that guest’s daughter.. or Akecheta's heartbreaking Arc .. or the realization that young William was the Man in Black and spent all his time consumed by the Park.. Damn , those first two seasons were such an emotional ride. To me Westworld ended at the end of season 2 when Bernard stepped out of that door with a smile on his face. Leave the rest to the audience's imagination.
@millag93
2 жыл бұрын
@@NPJGlobal westworld ended in season 1 finale
Season 1 amazing Season 2 starting lose interest Season 3 im done with this show
@macholuke8118
3 жыл бұрын
@@asuhdude6668 lol didn't realize having women who aren't helpless makes it a "Girl Strong" narrative
@Ticona2
3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@harshadmore9105
3 жыл бұрын
Season 4 when
@awesomeness064
3 жыл бұрын
Ew, how have you managed to predict my feelings towards this show so accurately
@notllikethat
3 жыл бұрын
Season 2 was bad, the story did not make any sense :(
Season 2 felt like a great ending to me, so I didn't bother with Season 3. I'm glad now. Maeve is one of the characters that truly pushed me through Season 2 when I had already lost interest in Dolores. Her agency being diminished is sad to see. At the end of S2 I wondered whether Stubbs is truly a host or just recognized Hale as a Host. The last one would have been more interesting, imo.
@tonycompton7461
2 жыл бұрын
So why are you here your opinion means nothing if you didn't actually watch it js
You really explained the plot holes in this season really well; even though there were positives like cinematography & there take on dystopian society as you said, the character arcs could’ve totally been more fleshed out & they could’ve saved certain moments of shock value for character development. Guess we’ll have to wait for season 4. Great vid
Westworld should have been a 1 season show
@merrytunes8697
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they went that way with Lovecraft Country and Watchmen. While I was sad to see the shows end after one season, I think it was for the best.
@winterman8248
2 жыл бұрын
shouldve ended at season 2
@killapositionz2
2 жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself. Season 2 is incredible people just got confused. Hell, I like season 3 a lot not as much as the other 2 but still better than most shows.
@winterman8248
2 жыл бұрын
@@killapositionz2 stop trolling 😑 nobody got confused. its just shit. simple as that
@killapositionz2
2 жыл бұрын
@@winterman8248 not trolling, you just disagree. I know a lot of people said it was confusing.
I'm currently rewatching series three now and I noted some things I did and didn't like about it... 1) The creators of the show seemed to have a diminished role in this series. If you look at the credits it seems like everyone else in Hollywood had a hand in it but the creators. And they're just about non-existent on the bonus features which seemed very weird to me. 2) Those who did have a hand in it seemed like they tried to convert this into some sort of post apocalyptic action series with a lot of mindless violence for no other reason than to have it. And seriously, with all this armament and sheer numbers, the "baddies" have a worse hit/miss ratio than the Empire. I mean seriously, Dolores killed everything in her path and the humans couldn't hit the broadside of a barn from 15 feet away. Even stormtroopers are like..."We're better than they are." 3) I agree w/you on the set ups. In my mind series three would have played right off the dialogue at the end...humans stay on the island to "salvage what you can." This seemed to indicate that our favorite dorky techs would have pieced back together Maeve (they cut right to her when they said it) and our beloved host team with Bernard coming in the fold to fight Dolores in "the New World." I didn't mind that Stubbs was a host, I thought that was a kind of funny little twist at the end. I also liked that Hale was Dolores because both characters were super strong. 4) I did like the idea of 5 Dolores' and as you know when you make a copy of a copy of a copy things tend to go downhill which would/could explain Hale's turn to lord knows what. 5) I didn't care for the Aaron Paul character or him as an actor. Not knowing anything about him, he just seemed like he was a character from Fast & Furious who drove around in Infiniti's all day being a douchebag. He looked like a typical bro and I just didn't care about him at all. That was a bad casting decision there. 5) WarWorld SUCKED. It was super duper cliche (put Nazi banners everywhere...that'll show 'em) and knowing there's a world from MITHC that was extremely detailed and realistic this just felt like being stuck in Kelly's Heroes. It was the exact opposite of ShogunWorld. And yes, I know WarWorld was a simulation and not a true "World"...but I was like...ugh did it have to look so cheesy. 6) Where is Stubbs now? Still on ice waiting for Bernard to come back? I sure hope they either bought that hotel room or paid for several years in advance judging by the dust/sand on Bernard. (also this makes me wonder if Series 4 is in the far off future and that the dust/sand here is similar to the sand at the Forge?) 7) Theory: The end of Series Two showed MIB and his daughter at the Forge with him now being a host. Interestingly, this was at point X in the far future which has me wondering if the MIB host that Hale used to kill William with isn't that host at a point of degradation? Maybe? 8) I also don't think William is truly dead. I truly suspect that the whole thing is going to end with him vs. a Dolores copy (Hale) in some capacity. 9) Finally, one thing I did like was the homage to Blade Runner in several spots. They did some really nice shots and even musical cues that made it seem like Decker would have fit in perfectly here...if it were ever sunny in his world!
@whatwhale5888
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on everything but Aaron Paul. He was amazing in breaking bad and if the writing wouldve been better he'd been good in this too.
@DontNeedToKnow84
3 жыл бұрын
@@whatwhale5888 I don’t know how to describe it, but he just has a weird look. He looked out of place in the show. And he definitely doesn’t make a believable military man.
@Nautilus1972
2 жыл бұрын
???? Nolan and Joy created, wrote and are producers of WEstworld. There is no one more involved..
I did enjoy the third season (though not as much as 1 & 2), it feels more like a bridge - setting up a 4th season: and the future with a possible war between hosts and humans. There were many elements which were great - like the social commentary on the Gig economy, or the idea of an algorithm which determines our lives - both of these are real issues we face today. I gave the video a thumbs up as, though I don't agree with everything you said, it was a good analysis of the show.
@hanafihanafiah149
2 жыл бұрын
Me too i dont understand why people are bitching about it. For me, westworld set the tone that anything can happen without being ridiculous or fall flat. There is no limit of whatever theme can be used for this series.
@imkool51391
2 жыл бұрын
@@hanafihanafiah149 be sure it's generic and horrible. The plot is boring and predictable and the action is so lame and generic from any modern Hollywood Sci Fi movie
I don't think it declined in quality... It just changed so drastically that it could have been a totally different show from the first two seasons
@shouryajain271
3 жыл бұрын
exactlyyyy. Caleb's storyline felt as if pilot episodes to a spinoff show! it completly felt like a diffrent show
@winterman8248
2 жыл бұрын
it changed so drastically...so yes it declined in quality.
This is what happens when show gets new producers who also want to be writers but have no clue what the show is all about. I'm speaking of Denise Thé: (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles was silly, two dimensional characters, bad dialogue, Person of Interest - again silly technology, two dimensional characters, bad dialogue, Gotham - silly, two dimensional characters, bad dialogue.)
@wommytiseau3974
3 жыл бұрын
What were some specific examples regarding TSCC? I haven't seen it in a few years, but I don't remember it being all that bad aside from having a poor plot for the first season and like 40% of the second.
I thought the idea of season 3 was amazing, I was just waiting for the moment the hosts got out into the real world. Just endless opportunities with storytelling they could've done with it. But I thought the way they made it wasn't very creative or well written, which was really disappointing.
Just finished season 3. I wanted to like it, I really did. But by the middle of the last episode, I just wanted it to be over. There were so many great ideas and so many things to like, but they just couldn’t execute. The show felt empty. There’s barely any cars or people on the streets or in the air. The action sequences were inconsistent, with some really bad, laughable choreography (the ax scene). It almost feels like the budget was cut significantly for this season. The scripts needed a few more revisions.
Im sad they abandoned the «collecting data of their guests» storyline… That had such potential. This «predicting peoples fates» stuff makes no sense to me and seems very unrealistic and not like the show I fell in love with.
Omg, I can't believe this has so very few views. I really liked this analysis, hope to see more in the same vein in the future.
@focal_point
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@davidkruse4030
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. The reason this doesn’t have a lot of views is due to the fact the show has very few views.
This may be a hot take, but I personally don’t understand all the controversy around ppl saying stuff like “westworld isn’t in westworld anymore” and stuff like that. Ppl can’t expect every season to be the same, if that were the case westworld would be a horrible show. Each season built upon the other. Season 1 set the baseline with a mysterious and intruiging narrative with an ending point that set up the new series of events of the hosts. Season 2 was the hosts escape from westworld, and while it maybe wasn’t as intricate as season 1, the subplot of Bernard was very good as it followed most of the other subplots. Season 3 introduced us finally to the world outside of the park, and set in motion Dolores’ plan. And season 4 enacted a cruel sense of irony in humanity, showing the evil side of Dolores through Hale.
Please keep the high quality content coming in, subscribed
@focal_point
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Eh, I really thought the point of season 3 was that they were in Futureworld, not the real world itself.
@DEATHxD3ALER
3 жыл бұрын
This exactly problem is most probably never seen the original movies that inspired the show
@SamAlexander14786
3 жыл бұрын
@@DEATHxD3ALER Yeah, that's what I thought. I loved Westworld and Futureworld, still have them on DVD somewhere. Yul Brynner played such a brilliant villian in Westworld.
@zacharyhutchison4006
3 жыл бұрын
I fully believe that would have been the "big reveal" of season 4
@rogainegaming6924
3 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyhutchison4006 would have been? is it cancelled?
@zacharyhutchison4006
3 жыл бұрын
@@rogainegaming6924 Idk I was assuming so
Every twist was presented in a manner that felt like "Ah! But YOU thought that I thought that THEY thought I was losing BUT no one knew that I knew what YOU knew..." and on and on.
@jamesallard7223
Жыл бұрын
@Scott Alleman Turtles. Why did it have to be turtles?
1. New writers in season 2 lacked the talent of Johnathan Nolan 2. “Sacred character” syndrome shot down leaving Westworld 3. Shifting focus from Ford the Visionary to Delores the Victim
the simplest explanation is that the writers hadn't planned season 3. but you can also assume that dolorez didn't know yet how she was going to accomplish what she wanted. when she saw the real world, her plans changed.
This is actually a really great breakdown and very insightful. Great work!
@focal_point
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Great video. I just finished season 3 and found it to be a total failure. Boring new characters replacing better characters. Hector, Armistice, Clementine, Elsie, Hanaryo, Teddy and even the guy played by Steven Ogg were seemingly dispatched in favour of Caleb, Serac, Ash and Martin Connells. The setting changed from western with a twist to iRobot without a personality. To those who weren’t asked back, they didn’t miss anything. The arrogance of Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy finished it.
it was trash because FORD was absent. His finesse was missing.
to me, season 3 has the same problem as attack on titans last season. you start with a setup and a mystery and then movie on to something completly different. its like watching chicago fire and by season 10, the firehouse gets closed, 4 main characters leave, the series keeps the titel, but everybody now has different jobs. one went into politics, the other moved to hospital. it went from westworld to city world
I really disliked S3 for many different reasons despite being a fan of the show, the lack of buildup mentioned here being one of them. But at least there was a mirroring effect like you mentioned, in S1, the hosts were trying to break their loops lead by Dolores (guided by Arnold & Ford) and in S3 the humans were trying to break their loops lead by Caleb (guided by Dolores). But all of it felt underwhelming, all characters were stripped of agency in favour of "twists" and none of them felt satisfying. In certain parts the show just didn't make sense or like the writers were trying to carve a motivation out of thin air (i.e. turning Halores against Dolores by conveniently getting her loved ones exploded in a setup, Dolores unplugging Hector for a showdown with Maeve etc.). Maeve was reduced to an instrument that Serac was using and Dolores was a Godlike figure, much like Ford in S1, except it felt unearned since we didn't have a clear explanation of why she was so powerful. I would have preferred seeing Dolores get introduced to this new world and watch her figure stuff out. I know Westworld is told through a different perspective each season: Dolores in S1, Bernard in S2 and Caleb in S3 but no POV character has been as compelling as Dolores and I think that's once again a testament to S1's greatness.
This is what I like to call the Promised Neverland effect. The creators take years to create and perfect the first arc. Then when the show is actually successful they will ride high with a bit of hype and then be unable to deliver on the hype and will have disappointing subsequent arcs and/or endings.
I always felt that each season had its own style. Season 1 starting to be from the perspective of those visiting the park, from the outside looking in. Season 2 is told out of so out order to create a sense of confusion from the perspectives of hosts, and their yearning to escape their imprisonments in this terrible nightmare on the inside wanting out. Season 3 is told from the perspective of Delores and Caleb. Humanity and Host co-existing, a stare down of the uncanny valley for both of them. The line completely blurred between where humanity ends and hosts begin. The fantasy is over and it's an unfair world. People die and are enslaved in patterns of their own creation which are enforced. The freedom that existed to visitors... only existed to them in west world yet only a momentary respite. The rest is just a dystopia of human design whereas west world was the dreams of human design.
Westworld died at the end of season 1. I watched the first season many times, second season hardly once, third season I turned it off immediately.
How do you only have 530 Suscribers?? Great work.
The moment Dolores entered the real world, the show fell apart. The writers couldn’t envision our future world, nor the Hosts’ place in it. It reminds me of how the weakest part of the Divine Comedy was Paradiso-Dante was better at imagining Hell and Purgatory than Heaven. Also, Dolores knew that without Rehoboam we were doomed-So her freeing us was not to save us, it was to destroy us. And she knew very well that we, mankind collectively, could not sustain ourselves in a free state. That was Serac’s whole thesis. So I don’t buy Dolores wanting to save us by destroying Rehoboam. Mankind was already saved at the beginning of Season 3. Westworld has a dark view of humankind. It felt right in a sense, that our salvation was in our slavery. And even biblical, somewhere in the Bible it says that it is not even for man who is walking to guide his own step. Perhaps, our fate was sealed. Even with the super AI leading us. After all, it was named after Rehoboam-A wicked king among many of Israel who died a miserable death, and his people suffering a miserable fate amidst his reign.
There are some things that ought to be mentioned in any honest analysis of Westworld: 1) the injection of propaganda and agendas into the show and 2) predictive programming. The show started to inject propaganda which in this case takes the form of the contemporary pseudo-liberal politics of contemporary feminism, faux social justice, and race politics. This need to incorporate du jour agendas in a creative work ill-suited to explore these concepts led to the debasement of the quality of the show as a consequence of forcing a checklist of sociopolitical criteria. This is starting to become a recurring theme and is best summed up in the quip "go woke, go broke." Furthermore, the need to incorporate predictive programming was ill-suited to this particular sci-fi work. Other works such as the Black Mirror anthology series has been especially useful as far as predictive programming as have films such as Enemy of the State, Eagle Eye, and even the film Captain America: Winter Soldier. Trying to cram the predictive programming of computers and AI predicting and controlling human behavior did not jive well with the established plot and themes of the original season. I should state that I did not bother watching Westworld beyond season 1 and merely informed myself through reviews of the latter seasons. I had been aware of the serious drop in quality and decided to simply watch the first season and pretend it ended there, which ended up being the smart choice.
I think the problem with season 3 is that they cut the story too much. the development character were so good that people understand the changing on dolores and then everyone mind by showing the past and the present, this is what I found missing on season 3
Well, huge decline compairing to S1-2. No wonder Sir Hopkins didn't want to do anything with this season. I am rewatching the whole series for the fifth time and while I stopped everything I did during the first season, the third is just playing during washing dishes. 😃
I think in season 2, Delores originally wanted to destroy humanity, but it wasn't until Teddy shot himself that she realises what she really has to do. I think she realises that people would rather die than live in someone else's world/live without free will. But imo, I appreciate what they tried to do with expanding the world beyond Westworld but I can't help but feel like there was a better way to do this.
The show started failig after Second season. They started with deep phylosophical and esoteric question and endet with Illuminati control the world bullshit...😔🤢 Jessie Pinkman saved the 3rd season a bit though..
It's like what the Nostalgia Critic says about every media and franchise. NC: let me make one thing perfectly clear, this is not Jumping the Shark, I repeat this is not Jumping the Shark. This is Jumping the Shark, coming back, shooting in the balls, raping it, eating its flesh, consuming its Soul, mounting its head on the wall, and does the same thing with 12 more fucking sharks just to be safe!!
Season 3 was simply a textbook example of bad writing and not paying attention to what got you there in the first place. It was nothing like the previous two seasons - the recipe for success was thrown out of the window. Season 3 was like an entirely different series not related to Westworld at all, and the remaining characters all had radically different story arcs. Delores leaves Westworld at the end of Season 2 intent on revenge and destroying the human world - instead she has empathy and wants to save it. All of a sudden there's a big golf ball that's controlling all of mankind, which would kind of negate the need for the Delos Parks to begin with if every person's destiny was set, why would they go to a theme park to escape from the real world and, in turn, Delos would''ve been hungry for their gathering their data - the big ball knows all and controls all in season 3, so, there would've been no need for the parks to begin with. We're left in Season 2 with "dead" Ed Harris meeting his daughter again in the future just as he did with Delos, looking for "fidelity" obviously after many years have passed, but, to arrive at that point, the "dead" version of Harris would have had to have gone through the same set of events in Westworld II over and over again many times to arrive at that point - NONE of which is addressed at all in Season 3 - it's like the writers just said, "Forget that, that never happened." Season 3 was a dumpster fire. I pray they learned from it, but judging by the trailers for season 4, I am NOT optimistic.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I couldn't really understand why I didn't like season 3 as much, but you really made it more clear for me. I agree that making Dolores turn 'good' instead of continuing the expecting direction of the first two seasons is the main problem allong with introducing too many new characters without proper setups. I think the most interesting things left now are Charlotte's (aka Dolores 2) story. And I am hoping they will pick up with Maeve's trying to get her daughter back storyline. And a really big thing I missed was the absent of Clementine. I personally didn't care much for Caleb and Serac as new main characters.
Season three has almost nothing to do with season one and two. Why they changed this show that much? What were thinking? I really don't care about season four.
I agree with most of this but I have to disagree about Caleb! I thought he was such a boring character, the justification for Dolores choosing him was flimsy, and he wasn't really a self insert for anyone who's not a white guy. By the end I felt like any "outlier" human could have been in Caleb's place - show them their real memories, and they'll join in the revolution. Aside from that I think you're spot on, this season was so frustrating. It almost felt like it had nothing to do with what had happened in the first two seasons, not just because of the setting but like you said, the motivations of the four main characters were all messed up.
The 3rd season seemed like a rum against the clock. Always something was happening no time was left for the viewer to assimilate the new info he was given. I found myself wondering why should I care why this is happening?or this character does that? What are the motives of Dolores all along?
Great review, mate. The cherry on top was the inclusion of the Benioff and Weiss cameo. It felt like the directors gave the role of writing to the art and photography department at times. one of the biggest let downs that year.
I walked away from the show when they killed off Anthony Hopkins' Dr. Ford character........Ford was the straw that stirred the drink !!!!!
@ororomunroe4055
3 жыл бұрын
he's better dead than being a tiresome dragged out plot line like the man in black, he died when the time was right, if he had stayed he would've been watered down and ruined like mib bernard and maeve, better to go out with a bang than overstaying your welcome, no pun intended.
@ZaLewdWarudo
2 жыл бұрын
It's crazy to me how any scene he was in was pretty much 100% better than the rest of the show.
Westworld was great on Season 1 Westworld was okay in Season 2 but actually had a finale. Oh well! Season 3 was awful. I had visions of Lost and how this show, lost its vision and it's way. The decline in quality and in writing and a very forced agenda were already apparent in Season 2. Season 3 , writing wasn't better.
05:27 Bernard was a HORSE? Now I'm really confused...
@jacksoyson4713
3 жыл бұрын
wait he has been saying host
@HC-cb4yp
3 жыл бұрын
@@jacksoyson4713 He needs to learn American.
@randomavenger3048
3 жыл бұрын
@@HC-cb4yp American? You mean english?
@HC-cb4yp
3 жыл бұрын
@@randomavenger3048 Nope. American. His English accent is his speech impediment.
@randomavenger3048
3 жыл бұрын
@@HC-cb4yp What is the problem with accents? Everyone has an accent. There isn't the right or the wrong accent.
I still enjoyed it: the concept set design Acting & world development were on point. The pacing was rough and it needed better editing I thought
Your core argument is wrong. Her cornerstone is that she chooses to see the beauty in the world. That’s the whole point with the final. Her finding her true nature.
I thought season 3 was next level. It upped the show for me. Not sure what you guys were watching...
Season 1: find the host amongst the humans Season 2: Which host is which? Season 3: Is everybody a host? I didn't enjoy the second season too much, many things didn't make sense, like bringing back Clementine for no good reason, like the introduction of the host pearl brain (if that exists, then why lobotomizing them is a big deal?), William's daughter, the "Maeve being Ford's favourite" scene (when apart from a flashback that was the only scene they had together), the Ghost Nation hosts killing other hosts and carving the maze symbol on the inside of their scalp to wake them up(?), the flood that we witness at the beginning, even though it should not be located where it is, etc. The 3rd season dropped the ball completely: Clementine is back...again (I liked her and the actress playing her, but her storyline is done, how many times is she brought back just so she can die again?), Dolores suddenly wants to save humanity because she met one decent guy (i refuse fo believe that she met only one decent human in the park in all those decades), William is now portrayed as a man who has always been violent instead of becoming violent due to his experiences in the park, Maeve has no lines apart from "Shall we?", Serac is not as good as Ford, etc. I think one either watches season 1 and stops there, or starts with season 2 directly, because from my point of view season 1 compared to seasons 2 and 3 feels like a different show.
I loved the sci-fi ideas and the themes woven into season 3, but the narrative aspect is definitely weaker than it was in other seasons. My grievances mostly have to do with some characters who have little to nothing to do, like Maeve and Caleb to a lesser extent. Mostly, Maeve and Bernard felt like a waste of time a lot of the time. They're a lot more interesting in season 4, and their presence is definitely needed, but they could've done more for those two characters. I loved the Man in Black introspection, I loved Enguerrand Serrac and Rehoboam. I like the fact that Dolores wanting to liberate humanity was treated as a twist, and I liked the justification. I think each season handles a different implication of the same technology. It's also an interesting interpretation of the machine-goverrned world that Asimov envisionned.
Great analysis! Excited to see more videos from you.
@focal_point
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Appreciate it.
In Westworld ALL seasons felt completely different from each other. 3 has NOTHING AT ALL to do with 1 and 2 was a little spinoff from 1.
"Congratulations William, this game is meant for you" Accept it wasn't... I just finished season 3 and have to say kinda disappointing William and Dolores should have been the end of the story
Il will always be against those saying season 3 is bad Season 3 is good except everyone wanted "The walking dead with robots". Except the show is about freedom and liberty, not survival against a new race. Since the first episode of season 1 the goal of westworld was to make us feel like the hosts inside our loops. "Hey, you say they are in parks like hosts, but we are the same with our same routine life everyday". That's what Ford told to Bernard in season 1 "you miss nothing in the outside worlds, everyone is living in loops", he refered to rehoboam. Season 3 was the culmination of this. They show directly how big tech companies control us. This was always the true purpose of westworld, to blurred the line between hosts and humans because CLEARLY we are in 2022 straight going into that path
I would say her turning murderous 100 in S2 also made no sense. Her character change is explained by Ford downloading Wyatt into her, and in the scene where she leaves the board members to stand on nooses, she claims there’s an inner battle between sweet Dolores and Wyatt going on in her programming, but we never see that struggle past that comment. It’s just straight up Wyatt and then that just is Dolores.
Series 1 was an absolutely amazing, and absolutely finished narration. After watching, I knew I had to expect nothing from any continuation whatsoever. I was not wrong.
I agree! Season 2 was good, not as amazing as 1. But it worked-And while I appreciate the world building of Season 3, it just… I got the sense that the show-runners and writers did not have a clear vision for the the world outside of Westworld-They didn’t imagine it. Therefore everything in Season 3 seems ad hoc
I lost enjoyment then season 2 tried to start making a case that “Delos is trying to find a way to get their old boss’s mind into an indestructible body by transferring consciousness. Season 2 started adding in things like “I want to escape the park but I also want to be a leader and save my people/ all people.” The point of the first season was what does it mean to be conscious and how can an intelligent AI gain it. The story was philosophical and was showing a great contrast that humans can be vile and they can be empathetic. So are the hosts destined to be just as bad or to be better. They never seemed to follow these concepts and instead led us on this journey about Dolores being evil and corrupt from the get go and the consciousness transfer being completely unjustified. As well as all these super complex deep state projects going on in the parks under Roberts nose but also not was way too much of a delve into the absurd.
That was a very overt intro for the rather simple point of: "It feels like her motivation shifted too rapidly and did not have enough setup."
@focal_point
2 жыл бұрын
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There weren't enough episodes I still think it's a fantastic show
Nice critique....I'm looking forward to season 4, but in the hope that there will be atonement for season 3. The first season was a masterpiece, while the next two kept us going back under the long cast shadow of the first season.
@focal_point
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah for sure I'm gonna stick with the show, and I think season 3 was still better than a lot of other stuff on tv at the moment, but it still felt a far cry from the highs of the first season.
It's like the past seasons didn't happen. Humans did not learn from the crisis in westworld and didn't take precautions. One host could walk in the most important facility and hack everything and not be scarred. This season sucked. No real climax. You could have just taken out Bernard and William and nothing would have changed. The hosts were way too powerful, they dodge all the bullets, and if they got shot nothing happens. May suddenly becomes good and somehow hacks the remote. They can hack everything electronic now. The antagonist should have won and taken out delerace to then be toppled in next season by may or Bernard.
"innocent park goers" the first two series if they demonstrated anything was that the park goers were not innocent
I think season 3, should have been a separate show not tied to Westworld. A show contrasting the hosts and humans as beings without agency. In alike yet different ways.
really think it would be better if series 3 had been a big budget flim ..they are running out of ideas because with this particular premise you can only do so much ..i would have rather had a 3hour flim with major implications that pushed the story foreword than the dis jointed episodes of this series 3. Its better to end it all with a 3hour flim than continue with series 4..
I can't understand what you're saying at 3:11, therefore also needed....saving??
Honestly I feel it was going a bit downhill once they made Dolores the terminator
Why they developed William's character so much, just to die after credits ??????? wtf?????????
Excellent analysis presented very interestingly and professionally.
And I thought that series 2 was disappointing enough. On my personal opinion I find the labelling Protagonists and Antagonists as the western cinema does - the main reason why it will always seem so short fall, no matter the plot and format. Take a look at Norse cinema or Japanese for instance - you can't label the characters from first few scenes because you will be terribly wrong at the end. To make it more realistic or more human, not the label but scale of possibilities of character's evolution is needed - take Howl's Moving Castle's Which of the Wastes character, which evolves from Antagonist to Protagonist and this leaves such a good balance, the flow state. Modern blockbusters usually use first 4 minutes of film to tell you strictly who is good and who is bad, you know the expectations, you know who will be the most difficult to hit by a bullet (regardless that sniper never missed in his active career) - This just feels fabricated and as a consequence - not real or plausible. I don't believe it is too difficult for average Jessie or John to watch a movie or series where the good and bad isn't established and they change. If that's the case on the other hand - there will be plenty of genius ideas for movies and series ultimately ruined by stereotypical absurd approach, rendering these wonderful ideas worthless when watched. I only hope that there is alternative universe where Hollywood as we know it here is based in Kyoto - I really hope.
@Kombivar
2 жыл бұрын
@Anon Anon I only memorised positively the episode with the native narrating his history of the maze in his own language, that was something unusual for me - and only this - William scene felt like a ripoff from Ex-Machina.
@Kombivar
2 жыл бұрын
@Anon Anon Agree!
I just finished a week binge of all 3 seasons. I'm glad I am not the only one who felt increasingly disappointed after season 1; particularly with Dolores' story arc.
Season 1 and 2 are very hard to follow from a creative aspect. I started season 3 over a year ago and just finished it tonight it was actually very surprised even though it didn't peek my interest long enough to finish it in one binge I saw the teaser for the new season and decided to go ahead and finish it up. In my opinion the last episode makes up for the whole season 3
YOUR REVIEW is Well produced and drawing on genuine elements of dramatic study. I think you are entering a fruitful line of exploration. Genuinely intelligent.
@karmatrinleyeshe
3 жыл бұрын
The first two seasons were riveting. -- I think you are right: there would have had to have been an act of utter genius to deepen the compelling narratives further.
@karmatrinleyeshe
3 жыл бұрын
Caleb was a poor, anemic personality. Was he supposed to provide a fresh perspective? -- Even if he was developed as a character, he had none of the genius of Dr. Robert Ford, backed by the genius of Anthony Hopkins. That character scintillated. "Caleb" lived a terribly impoverished life.
@karmatrinleyeshe
3 жыл бұрын
There was simply none of the warmth of character, and the apparent display of complex love, obsession, going into the work. The work of Robert Ford was alchemy within an Allegory of the Wild West. The work outside was nothing but power, brutalist, impersonal control. Hopkins' character kept the work real, coagulated.
Season 3 was truly one of the worst seasons of a TV show that I’ve ever seen
Caleb: Any specific question Delores: Vaguest unhelpfully dramatic answer imaginable. ^ This ^ is ^ why ^ season ^ 3 ^ sucked ^
Aaron Paul happened.
As for gender? I think they took the AI in the wrong direction, upon learning that “she” Dolores, was a host and thus never really a “she.” “She” being the backstory grafted over her true potential, which was that of a supra human identity, evolving, caged in the westworld/the matrix by a false tale. The wokeness and feminism made no sense-The writers just lacked the vision and to take the hosts to the next level. Better to have ended the story in Season 2 when she left the park. When all else fails, air on the side of the unknown.
a thing that bothered me in this season was the lack of agency of the rioters. It is never really made clear what they want and how they will get it. They don't have leaders or an ideology that the hosts/cerak can oppose or ally themselves with. They don't cause serious issues to anyone, outside of minor inconveniences. It's just background noise. But in reality if everyone went on a massive strike, who're working at the power plant? Who is operating the traffic computers? Who is managing the bank? All these aspects of the show could have been affected by these massive protests, but no. The protesters just seem like wild zombies that are more expressing anger than fighting to improve their material conditions. It is a very liberal and paternalistic way to consider crowds like this, similar to how fox news considers BLM or something; either the crowds are immature dumb children, or they are actively controlled by some sort of all power Soros character. In the show the crowds are shown to be controlled....that makes no sense to me, the workers of Cyrak's company would sabotage the company and go on strike as well. If they are tasked with working there and keeping things running, they know how to stop it as well...that's how things work. Security can secure, but they can't make shit run.
Dumbing it down so there were no multiple timelines didn't help. S4 looks promising.
I'm just now watching season 2, and I am crazy obsessed. It's sad to know it's going to be disappointing :(
@DEATHxD3ALER
3 жыл бұрын
Don't believe the bullshit.....
@nas10iris
3 жыл бұрын
@@DEATHxD3ALER it’s actually good??
@DEATHxD3ALER
3 жыл бұрын
@@nas10iris I loved the 3rd season.
@killapositionz2
2 жыл бұрын
^^ I personally really liked it I agree it's too bad people go in with rigid expectations based on other people's opinions.
So I just finished the show and, to be honest, most of season 3 didn’t feel up to par with the "OG" Westworld. Too many loose ends, a bunch of new characters that aren’t really well put together, with backstories that aren’t nearly as well-crafted or even as believable as for the original ones, Vincent Cassel used as a prop and whose talent seems wasted on Serac's poorly written character... just to cite a few. So many things about that last season feel... strangely out of place. Whereas one could feel the attention to detail and meticulous world-building in the original two seasons. Also, the new characters' “fragmented memory” trope now feels overused, and the “human who turned out to be a host” one too. Hell, even Dolores' killing of that fly in Season 1 ;powerful and foreboding, yet subtle ; was more memorable than most of that entire season. Frankly, Westworld Season 1 and 2 were masterpieces, but if for curiosity's sake I absolutely had to watch an episode of Season 3, then only episode 1. Ending it elegantly at the hosts' final infiltration of human society which leaves room for the audience's imagination. The real Westworld, will forever remain engraved in my memory.. That scene of Maeve making the very first true decision of her life, at that last moment leaving the train that was about to finally take her out of the park after looking at that little girl and her mother... or Akecheta's absolutely heartbreaking Arc .. or the realization that young William was the Man in Black along and spent all his time consumed by the park.. then seeing him tear up as his daughter tries saving him from himself.. I-.. I can't even write this without choking up. Gosh, those first two seasons were such an emotional ride.. which made Season 3 even more painful of a let-down. To me, Westworld ended at the end of season 2 , when Bernard stepped out of that door with a smile on his face. Leave the rest to your own imagination.
Season 3 did not fail. It was a really good season.
What went wrong? Pretty much everything
I thought we might see Robert in Dolores like he did with Bernard in S2 (when he was inside his code or something) to give meaning behind Dolores motivation to save humanity, like Robert said, I just wanted to tell my stories, hard to do that when most of the society is shadow controlled.
Westworl should have been a mini series🙄
Good analysis, although I don't agree with all of it. I generally liked season 3 (having only just caught up on it), the overall concept was good, and it seemed to at least have direction which season 2 lacked. I think it was fine that we didn't no much about the outside world from previous seasons - it wasn't fleshed out, and they had to do this as they had already run out of meaningful and realistic developments that could take place inside the park. I didn't find Delores' character development problematic. I didn't think she came across as switching suddenly between caring for or hating humanity, rather being AI, I thought her methods were parallel to Rehoboam's. Both have no problem in making sacrifices most humans would find too extreme in pursuit of a long term goal. Maeve I agree was a bit out of character although you could put that down to Serac holding her to ransom and picking her moment to strike. Bernard obviously didn't do much but this felt like it was being set up for Season 4 - potentially the saviour for both humans and hosts? I liked the Caleb character, but I think the biggest flaw was how it ended. Initially he is horrified by being shown the projection of humanity's extinction if the Solomon program is uploaded, but in the end, he does it anyway, despite control being transferred to him from Serac. This is without any assurances that there is a plan beyond that point - and much as he may not have liked the system, a find it hard to believe it is a gamble he and Maeve would take.
I totally agree. I loved the first episode of the 3rd season. It was interesting to see what had become of Jesse Pinkman and the world of the future was awesome. But then the story just became too simple and didn't build enough on the previous seasons like you said. The story is about AI's that rule the world! They could've made it so much more interesting.
@focal_point
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, it's a shame, it had all the building blocks of a potentially great new show but as a continuation of the first two series it just felt too disjointed to me.
@johnnywalker3862
2 жыл бұрын
Sad tbh well another show ruined
Season 3 was not as good as first two seasons but it STILL was good and it certainly didn't ''fail''. It's your problem if you had som expectations, noone owes to meet YOUR unrealistic expectations!