When cash rules everything... Commerce beats art and quantity beats quality. Sad but true

I feel like part of it is that people REFUSE to listen to underground or less popular artists. Producers ARE advancing and experimenting, but a fair amount of popular one's aren't.

Since I am a producer now, I hear the same beat over and over again in today's Hip Hop. I think the antidote to this is like what you mentioned i.e smaller producers working with smaller artists and developing their own unique sounds together or just rap/sing on your own beats or both. The E-Collab system is just watering down the end product.

Producers aren't the problem. The dynamics of the music industry has placed so much emphasis on the bottom line it encourages artists and producers to make safe music via musical formulas that have been proven to work like trap that has been consumed for almost 20 years. Producers and artists that are innovative and that create music that's rooted in authenticity exist but don't always get the backing because it's riskier. Especially hiphop that's conscious and socially aware. It starts with the audience demanding more than just the mediocrity that's force fed to them.

Can’t blame producers for what the artist are choosing to rap on

Bro looks like karim Benzema

Bro looks like Karim Benzema

The new producers today don’t experiment with their beats or the samples they use. They just take the song that was popping in the 2000s’ instrumental & throw 808 drums on it. It’s lazy work

This is why you need to support your local artists, cause those people produce, records and mixes all of their tracks by themselves. And keep their tracks 100% original.

Drill and the Griselda Movement are sth fresh!!

I have a few different hypotheses:

As a producer I think that a major problem is also the type beat system. A lot of internet people say that to be discovered you should run a YT channel where you post consistently (so 1 beat a day) and to exploit the algorithm you should keep the same style of beat. So that's why small producers make the every day the same beat over and over again without tring to develop new styles.

Two main problems with producers today:

This is a part of why I listen to a lot of triphop and experimental. it is interesting and textured, it holds nuance and isn't afraid to break convention because essentially it is just a more modern take on jazz in many ways.

I've gotta say just even browsing youtube and beatstars, a lot of beats sound the same. But when you find a unique, well produced beat now a days, it feels like finding gold! Underground producers are the best! They're willing to take more risks and remain unique!

I’ve been really fond of these collaborative albums that an artist and producer unify to create, without outside producers. Examples jpegmafia/Danny brown, Kaytramine, Gibbs/madlib. I feel these collaborations not only bring back previous attempts of innovation, but also encourage nuance to hip hop

The problem is how easier it has become for anyone to make beats. People no longer have gone through direct/ indirect music theory. Some producers can’t even play an instrument and that takes away the timbre in musicality.

I first started rapping, then learned production, now do the artwork. Its a dope feeling when you can flesh out a concept urself start to finish, and that individual process/style cant be duplicated. 💯

There are some producers out there that still make me feel that spark I used to feel way back in the 90s/early '00s. Conductor Williams, Daringer, Alchemist, etc. are still bringing the originality imo.

I think the problem with the perspective of it being towards the producers is mainly the fact there are soooo many producers now. The underground producer community is as big as its ever been with the rise of tiktok prods and cheap studio software/free reddit plugins. It’s nearly impossible to be unique because someone has likely already done the exact same thing before. But there is a difference, if you are consistently working on making unique and fun beat’s and practicing you have more of a chance to catch someone’s ear