Where’s my burrito!?

@patrickmassonne1919

3 жыл бұрын

(sigh)

@sonicdash9652

3 жыл бұрын

He's dead. *Looks at Armin*

@ExxylcrothEagle

3 жыл бұрын

your taco is wet and dying in a graped shift valve. you can still become it to crucch you for a while

@brettrobinson2901

3 жыл бұрын

I...ATE IT!....IT IS!.....NO MORE!

@Retro80sMan1

2 жыл бұрын

Old man yells at cloud

Past: Writers telling film companies they have a story, and asking them to help them make it. Present: Film companies telling writers they have a marketing idea, and asking writers to make a story out of it.

@rebchizelbeak5392

3 жыл бұрын

Really? Same year as Citizen Kane was released, over 5 “Lone Rider” movies were released. That is no different. You don’t understand historical perspective. You think that movies back then were some ideal vision crafted without corporate intervention. Look at the movies released the same year as Citizen Kane. Nearly a thousand movies. Most crap. Most created because a corporation had an idea and told someone to do it. No diffent than now. Learn how movies were made back then. Actual history about the process. Not much different than it is now.

@erichert1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebchizelbeak5392 I think you're right to a degree, there certainly was studio intervention, but you're also comparing genre films and serials made on the cheap to large studio productions. There have always been the cheap formulaic genre films, (perhaps even more so in the past), but what we're seeing now is that formula seeping over into the big studio productions. Just look at the amount of reboots and sequels of large blockbuster movies. There was nothing like this in the time of Citizen Kane; no The Revenge of the Maltese Falcon or Some Like it Hotter. Marvel also came out a few years ago and announced the next twelve or so (I forget how many) movies they were going to make over the next decade. This is a whole new level of marketing ideas driving scripts. Plus we have the phenomenon of the '[insert here] Cinematic Universe" beyond Marvel which means that movie series now become part of a brand like a new sandwich released by McDonalds. The movie industry actually is quite different.

@FourLoopMedia

3 жыл бұрын

Look up the history of the classic movie “cat people”, that was just a marketing idea.

@jesperburns

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebchizelbeak5392 I don't think anyone has ever argued that the 40s, 50s or 60s were the golden days of movie making. I also don't think that a thousand low budget passion projects, or low budget generic franchise films, invalidate the general gist of the comment you replied to.

@minnesotafats6662

3 жыл бұрын

The 40s are commonly referred to as the Golden Age of Hollywood, just sayin..

So beautifully said. I feel like we lost the magic that movies used have, it was an genuine experience but at present it just feels like another commodity it just doesn't have that intimacy before

@lilmovieperp3599

3 жыл бұрын

idk, ive seen some fantastic movies lately that rival the titans of back in the day. maybe try some foreign/indie films

@bighands69

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilmovieperp3599 Most foreign films are trashy affairs and only hipster like them.

@lilmovieperp3599

3 жыл бұрын

@@bighands69 ....wat ....care to elaborate?

@erikramaekers63

3 жыл бұрын

I like movies from the 30s and 40s so i'm used to watching movies on tv.

@JohnMoseley

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilmovieperp3599 Anything you want to recommend in particular? I'd be grateful.

The thing that kills me about streaming, is that it's like all the cinemas becoming members only clubs that you have to pay a monthly membership fee for whether you go to see their movies or not. And every cinema doing this. Meaning that if you want to see movies that different cinemas have, you would have to pay monthly memberships to all the movie theaters, none of which is worth it if you're not interested in all the movies that these cinemas are getting. And to make matters worse, these cinemas are greedily hoarding their movies, preventing them from being shown in the other cinemas. This is HORRIBLE for they consumer base. They claim that this causes more choice. But it's actually LESS choice, unless you pay a LOT MORE money. There's so many great movies that people could be exposed to, but aren't simply because no one is going to pay the membership fees for every damn service out there. This current streaming system is set up in the WORST way that they could possibly have set it up for the consumers.

@JZ-mn8wv

2 жыл бұрын

People need to be talking more about this, it’s one of the most important points

@KH0LRA

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, as much as I love streaming services' [Netflix as basis] convienience to an extent.. I really dislike how they gatekeep and maintain exclusiveness with certain media. Being not in the US where streaming services are more futile is even the more frustrating when many are not even available within the region. Yeah sure, Piracy is always available, but its especially terrible when you want to watch a foreign film that is too rare at this point that doesn't even have subtitiles!

@nyyu01

Жыл бұрын

True, that’s where piracy comes into play

I swear Scorsese puts all my feelings into words

@bigeazysworld

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto

@thefebo8987

3 жыл бұрын

Scorsese is the hero we need, but we not deserve

@Thespeedrap

3 жыл бұрын

@@thefebo8987 Scorsese is the hero who is still making movies and hope continues to do so.

@mfbias4048

3 жыл бұрын

@@thefebo8987 what good has he done in the last 20 years for cinema?

@glencoe1266

3 жыл бұрын

@@mfbias4048 Stick to marvel movies, manchild.

Last year or whenever it was when Scorsese criticized marvel, I actually agreed with the mass saying he cant accept change. But over the last few weeks, I've been watching all of his movies and I've loved doing it. Getting to watch taxi driver and raging bull for the first time are experiences I'll remember forever. Tomorrow I'm watching casino and I'm more excited for this then I was for anything marvel ever put out. So my opinion has changed. People who say he cant accept change are missing the point of what he said I want to apologize for the war my year old comment created

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, I'm envious of you getting to experience Scorsese's films for the first time. I hope you dig Casino. It is a blast.

@erichert1001

3 жыл бұрын

Check out King of Comedy.

@jamesmurray4973

3 жыл бұрын

@@erichert1001 I watched that a few weeks ago. It was really good, easily one of my favorites

@erniegutierrez410

2 жыл бұрын

Highly recommend Dr Strangelove very good movie

@iduvanmendoza3480

2 жыл бұрын

I don't agree with Scorsese & Marvel mostly because he was in Shark tale one of the worst movies ever made😂like did a mob boss said hey you have to do this favor for us because you made those movies😂😂

What angers me about the response to Scorsese is that whatever his opinion on the MCU, it's not like those films are going to disappear. The concern he's expressing relates to choice, for those of us who don't want to *exclusively* watch MCU films, or similar sanitised commercial fare (and I say that as someone who by-and-large appreciates and enjoys the MCU and its ilk for what they are). As cinephiles we want art that challenges, surprises, inspires and affects us, in addition to 'content' that comforts and soothes us.

@MeLlamoFick

3 жыл бұрын

You have the internet. You can find that "challenging art" if you look for it. I think, ironically, you just don't want the search for great movies to be a challenge, and you want great, obscure, fresh movies to just appear in the mainstream so you don't even have to look for them... At least thats what you sound like, you and a lot others in this comment section. What happened to the joy of the search of hidden gems? If we want to get nostalgic, that has been lost too, isnt it a shame?

@GregOrCreg

3 жыл бұрын

@@MeLlamoFick That's certainly not what I'm saying. Scorsese has forgotten more about cinema than any of us here will know, and he's expressing concern about the dominance of big tentpole movies that offer few surprises. Even as a fan of commercial blockbuster movies, it's dispiriting that we rarely if ever see any 'original' mega-hits (like E.T. or Back to the Future). Everything is now based on a pre-existing property.

@fromthehaven94

3 жыл бұрын

When Parasite is described as high concept movie, we're sort of in trouble, as that was a foreign movie.

@MeLlamoFick

3 жыл бұрын

@@GregOrCreg Okay, that makes more sense. It just bothers me how some people in this comment section act like cinema is trash now. The year where Parasyte came out is a DOPE year for cinema. I just hate nostalgics, its like people who say "music nowadays sucks" and their definition of "music nowadays" as a whole is just Justin Bieber and Jason Derulo. If they tried for just 5 minutes to look for art that was worthwhile they would be pleseantly surprised. I guess they love feeling like the unique snowflake that sees through the façade of art nowadays, and the rest of us are sheeps for not being a bunch of close-minded nostalfags like them.

@GregOrCreg

3 жыл бұрын

@Akshay 18 What about Hugo?

This was heartbreaking. I had no idea they released the last Orson Welles movie for example. Younger me before the age of content would be so disappointed in me now.

@souljastation5463

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I knew about the movie, back in the days I'd even seen clips of it, but I had no idea they finally completed it (I hope they didn't cut the sex scenes).

@partyovone9588

3 жыл бұрын

@@souljastation5463 I feel trapped cuz I don’t want to give Netflix money!

@the_crypter

3 жыл бұрын

Well that's growth if anything. If you keep thinking what your younger self would have done, you will be stagnant and dormant and never grow as a person.

@partyovone9588

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_crypter that’s true but also I’ve decently regressed in terms of the media I consume

@Eralen00

3 жыл бұрын

@@partyovone9588 Take a trip to the seaside. I hear the bay is nice this time of year ;) Just make sure you're protected with a sunscreen with a high enough VPN factor

This is fantastic. I love how you incorporated the scene of Scorsese talking in ‘Taxi Driver’!

@hexagonsun33

3 жыл бұрын

something something pussy and a magnum?

Movies on Netflix is like choosing cereal. There are so many to choose from with no defining qualities that you end up with analysis paralysis. This is why the marketing push matters, it helps people build the courage to try new movies. There is also something to be said about paying for a movie in a cinema and not being to just quit to menu and select another movie. You stick it out (usually) and that often can be a good thing, even if it's just strengthening your tolerance for a bad situation. Remember when you would go to your grandparents house and they had a limited selection of movies that you wouldn't usually choose yourself? Somehow you always found something to watch, right? I think that reducing selection actually helps people find gems where they wouldn't normally look. It also builds someones personal character instead of creating a homogenised, zombified audience.

This is why physical media is so important because just think about the hundreds and possibly thousands of great movies that aren't on streaming services and unfortunately never will be.

Media Literacy must be taught in schools. As far as I'm concerned, it is just as important as math, history, gym, penmanship, shop, and music.

@verymud578

3 жыл бұрын

im taking ap lang and its similar to that but yeah gen ed is kinda S.O.L.

@rebchizelbeak5392

3 жыл бұрын

No. No it is not. Not by any stretch. Math and shop are actual skills that can lead to careers. Gym teaches fitness that helps people live longer and healthier. History needs taught to learn where we are and why we are here. Media is so far down the list it is ridiculous. You don’t need to be taught that in school. There are more than enough external resources on the internet if you wanted to learn it.

@Mike-zd8wq

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebchizelbeak5392 it's not about external resources and the sifting through content, which you are right to be indifferent about. Media literacy is media ecology, and that is about our relationship with different forms of media and how they transform us, other forms of media, and vice versa. This, by the way, should carry an equal enough weight of importance to History, since both are about changes.

@QuestionMarkKick360

3 жыл бұрын

No, it's nowhere as important as any of those things.

@facehole3

3 жыл бұрын

like no. I think film should be integrated into English or Art curriculums as much as possible, but not mandatory as a subject on its own.

Thanks youtube *ALGORITHM* for recommending me this. Oh wait.

@JohnMoseley

3 жыл бұрын

Just think what the algorithm _didn't_ tell you about.

@paulmateo667

3 жыл бұрын

youtube algorithm: ;)

Thank you for making this. As a cinephile, I think more people should understand where Marty is coming from.

Thank God you mentioned the word curation. When I was a child, here in SA we had only 4 channels. The only pay channel actually marketed itself as "movie magic", each Sunday night was their premiere. I watched everything from Hollywood blockbusters to Oscar winning movies in that era. I actually watched movies considered art, meaningful lifetime experiences. Even the national channels on a shoestring budget showed me City of God and Mr Hollands Opus, things I remember from decades ago. I can barely remember watching anything meaningful on Netflix for the past few years besides Lean on Pete, an independent drama. The national channels had very few movies but they were actually very good, I think simply because they weren't for profit companies. The pay channel eventually became a satellite TV service boasting over a 100channels and a streaming service but the movie magic is long gone.

Good point, but in past centuries, same thing happened with theatre, opera, music and even literature. Nothing new under the sun a well established art becomes a product of cultural consumerism.

@rebchizelbeak5392

3 жыл бұрын

Look at the actual movies released year by year. Alway was a product of consumerism. 5 Lone Rder movies came out the same year as Citizen Kane. Movie culture wasn’t better in the past. It was just smaller. It’s better now because anyone with an iPhone, a $200 drone, and a $200 PC has better tools in front of them than most studios had 50 years ago. You get more crap, but also more excellent content. People like this channel are just snobs that can’t see facts and actual history, looking through rose tinted glasses at the past.

Can you start putting in little blurbs at the bottom of the screen to indicate what film is on screen? It would really help trying to watch more film

@justinwyatt8

3 жыл бұрын

Completely agree

@abhishekmukherjee1680

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Cloudy-ug9jh

3 жыл бұрын

letterboxd.com/pgcooper/list/the-decay-of-cinema-filmography/ he makes lists of all the films he references in his video on his letterboxd account ;) hope this helps!

@jamesmeow3039

3 ай бұрын

Great idea

Solid video. It's amazing how many people (namely young people on Twitter) vilify Scorsese and view him as a grouch, when in reality he is just someone who loves film feverishly and is worried about his future. It seems every studio, as mentioned in this video, is focusing on franchises and streaming services and neglecting film as an art. I think Scorsese is worried about a potential future where the only thing you will be able to see in theaters, and the only thing studios will finance, are superhero movies and other tepid blockbusters

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the labelling of Scorsese as this old pretentious snob is especially disheartening given how passionately the man loves genre cinema.

@KevinFinkbeiner

3 жыл бұрын

Of course; they’re so busy sucking off the Marvel teat that they’ll lash out at anyone who “disrespects” their lord and savior Saint Marvel.

@glencoe1266

3 жыл бұрын

They (zoomers) have no respect for anyone not in their sphere and they get vindictive about it. A lot of our art, a lot of histories iconic figures are being reduced to fucking shitty memes by this generation and Marty has become another meme and its pissing me off so much. Why are we allowing zoomers the chance to voice their shitty vindictive ill informed opinions and why are we taking their POV as gospel. They are so inherently stupid at that age they don't understand much, or nuence and they especially dont realize they are being groomed by corporations who are falling beside themselves to accommodate the next wave of consumers by appeasing to their whining. If they don't and they know how nasty the zoomers are, they run the risk of loosing MASSIVE market shares and massive profits. But the zoomers, mixed with a decade of captain marvel rubbish, think otherwise and the rest of us now have massive migraines from rolling our eyes everyday at their stupidity. And we have to indulge them with shitty marvel movies bc a lot of them have dads (Xers) who still wear star wars t shirts and still collect figurines.

@mikhaelgribkov4117

2 жыл бұрын

@@glencoe1266 I have eyes rolling from bunch boomers crying and sucking to some director who says something which was true all cinema history and how his fanbase tries to paly him as saint when all he can do is cling to the past successes, no different from corpos.

I’ve been bored with film so my wife and I started watching the classics from the 1001 list. My love for cinema is reignited

The decay of cinema as fine art is directly tied to the number of screens and the content needed to fill them constantly

@Malt454

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, you have to fill those screens - so you make as much of the lowest common denominator as you need TO fill them; you're in more danger of having an empty house now by showing movies that are too well made than you are by showing movies that aren't well made because the average filmgoer has now been raised on mental pablum.

@SeniorAdrian

2 жыл бұрын

How would filmaking change if there were no more screens and internet?

I remember when I was 14, about exactly 10 years ago in 2011 going online and searching for loads of gangster movies to watch. I watched the godfather, once upon a time in America, goodfellas, casino, mean streets and I became obsessed with De niro and Pacino. I watched loads of their movies. The good and not so good ones and then I started to appreciate good movies themselves. Not just based on the actors in them and I started to appreciate brilliant acting. I watched reservoir dogs, taxi driver, scent of a woman, I started watching the sopranos aswell but it wasn't until I started watching westerns that I really started to appreciate film directors. As a 14/15 year old having watched loads of violent movies, the John Wayne romantic style just didn't attract me and it still doesn't tbh. I watched a fistful of dollars, enjoyed it but wasn't blown away, watched for a few dollars more and enjoyed that too but when I watched the good the bad and the ugly everything changed. It's to this day my favourite movie and made me love Sergio Leone and want to become a film director. I'd say once I started watching Stanley Kubrick films, I felt something similar but Leone has to be my favourite.

@bighands69

3 жыл бұрын

Those actors in the John Wayne era were the real deal. When you see Wayne on screen you know he is the real deal he was a former football player and a stunt man. So when you see Wayne on the horses he is the real dea. That generation as well also was full of men who served in WW2 and the violence you see on screen is more realistic than the modern artistic nonsense of martial arts. While it appears romantic it really is a form of fantasy that is designed to take audience to another place and is not designed to be ultra realistic which is the current state of modern cinema. Actors today just are not realistic in many of the roles they play.

@oggydamon4363

11 ай бұрын

I feel like you're describing my cinema journey because it went exactly like yours .i appreciated movies for De niro and Al pacino at first then took a look at Sergio leone movies such as triology of dollars .Stanely kubrick masterpieces and that's how I learnt a lot about directors themselves and each filmmaker style/philosophy/strong suit and your comment is a real surprise for me

Counterpoint: movies have always been content, it's just the way that users consume it that has changed. I would never see A Sun in theatres but I might check it out now because it's just on netflix. It's a promotion issue

@Ray03595

3 жыл бұрын

This. I get his point, but the truth is that streaming has given a lot of smaller movies an accessible platform. Foreign films, films with subtitles that American cinemas think audiences DONT like are pretty routinely in the top 10 in Netflix. There are still fantastic movies being made, and I'm glad there are platforms for me to easily watch them. I'd be way less willing to watch Parasite if i had to find the DVD. Instead, it just popped up on my Hulu front page and I watched it. If you seek out certain types of films then the algorithms will reccomend these movies. Maybe less so for A Sun, but for many others surely.

@sotothankyouidied

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, people need to stop fighting the future and get with the times.

@TDL-xg5nn

3 жыл бұрын

Content in movies today sucks. Do you think they could make film noir movies today? Today's audience would be bored out of their mind. If they made Double Indemnity today they would have to include a dozen explosions, car chases, and fight scenes.

@TallicaMan1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@TDL-xg5nn Blade Runner 2049is basically neo noir. You are correct in what you're saying when it pertains to the masses, but there is still a large market of slower paced gritty films with not much action.

@alexisogbemudia5458

3 жыл бұрын

@@TDL-xg5nn yh it’s not like Parasite did Gangbusters last year. None of the problems listed are new to the streaming age

"But there are drawbacks too...." Like this commercial, for example. Perfect timing.

Yours and Cinema Cartography's channels are doing the lord's work in this regard - thank you!

@chopin65

3 жыл бұрын

Who is "the lord"? And what is "the work"?

I think film has always been a balancing act between art and entertainment, and the great directors of the 20th century were able to find a perfect balance of both.

@sameerahmed-gx8js

3 жыл бұрын

Like the shinning, taxi driver, seven samurai, vertigo, breathless, bicycle thieves and many more

@stijnvdv2

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. The problem however is 2 fold. One is that the streaming services think that more content is better.... but that's not really the case, on the contrary... the amount of content is so much that if I want to watch a movie I'm spending almost equal as much time trying to search for a good movie as watching it (if not even more) and the quality of most is abysmal, so it's really difficult to find that one gem. On top of that Hollywood has been in decline for a while. Creativity is dead and all they dare is remake after remake after remake.... and usually aimed for China to get that China money. Other then that your typical superhero vigilante in a cape saving Gotham stuff for 16 y/o's and literally everything is coated in a thick layer of woke politics, so much so that the storyline is barely visible, in most cases just an afterthought. This is why cinema's are in decline, long before covid hit us. The decline really got accelerated after Ghostbusters 2016 and the woke politics became front-and-center.

@jeanivanjohnson

2 жыл бұрын

art is a form of enternainment

@rodomolina7995

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, which is why I love Spielberg so much, he practically created blockbusters and now big studios are shamelessly turning them into mere money machines.

I feel you've definitely added a worthy and nuanced perspective to this ongoing discourse around the state of film. Content v Cinema is the core of the arguement, but I appreciate that at the end you flip the discussion onto us. Gatekeepers and distributors and exhibitors have always controlled a market for films (and television) and they still do; streaming companies and the general increase of content just make the market larger, noisier and more overwhelming. Yet, it is still upon us to seek out and consume film, TV, or other media with a reverence and zeal as is deserving and as was the norm in bygone days of film as an art world or people's theater (even regarding studio pictures). I dont believe things will be like they used to be, and I'm happier for it. Ultimately, there feels as if there is more out there that is more accessible than ever, but as you said it is harder to find, with algorithms and promotional junk clogging more passionate pathways to what is good. It reminds me of other industrialized parts of our world, like our food culture. Fast food and door dash hopefully won't prevent people from slowing returning to healthier and more enriching food and cooking experiences.

This comment is only for the algorithm. Do not perceive it. 😎

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

*sweats staring at screen trying to thank Mouse without perceiving his comment*

@raultrashlord4404

3 жыл бұрын

cognitohazard comment MTF Agents deployed

"But when these comforts are pushed so brazenly, how are we able to discover something new?" THANK YOU. You articulated in one sentence what I've been telling people forever. I've been bemoaning cinema for the past 10 years and it's only gotten so much worse in the past 5... Great job voicing concerns of people who feel the same.

@the_crypter

3 жыл бұрын

That's a very stupid point. That's how it was and always has been. It's not like suddenly human behavior has changed and everyone has started watching comfort movies as if decades earlier everyone ventured out watching and discovering new stuff. No, it was always like this. If anything, streaming platforms has made it possible and easier to actually dive deeper into unknown and new movies. record number of people are watching foreign movies as well as documentaries. In the misremembered past you view through the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia, literally no American movie goer ever watched anything made from outside US. People like you are so exhausting sue to your reluctance to grow and stop gatekeeping.

@Ray03595

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_crypter cimenaphiles are the worst. More people are watching foreign tv shows and movies than ever before. THANKS TO STREAMING. Where is the death of small indie dramas happening, and complex storytelling because I don't see it at all.... Just because Avengers exists does not mean there aren't other films getting a lot of attention, and tons of critical acclaim too.

@glencoe1266

3 жыл бұрын

​@@the_crypter What a stupid comment. While trash has always been around you had choice. I could easily ignore the trash and go to an art house conema each weekend and indugle in those films with others. There was a balance. Now? We basically are making the crapshot films for people like you.

@007MrYang

3 жыл бұрын

@@glencoe1266 You can still easily ignore the trash and look for what you want to watch. It ain't that hard my dude.

@xpindy

Жыл бұрын

@@the_crypter " literally no American movie goer ever watched anything made from outside US" -You really have no idea what you're writing about- .foreign films were available as far back as 100 years ago- the advent of sound put a crimp in that market for about thirty years but by the 50's they were back. Ever heard of art house cinema? Category of Best Foreign Film (started in 1956)? Wow.

Biggest revelation to me from this video was Wachowski brothers are now sisters lol

I swear to God, I nearly cried because of the emotions I felt when I heard Orson's voice. I really respect that man.

discovering a24 has given a lot of excitement to me and a great sense of hope.

There's so much about streaming that I feel is beneficial: Many people have been priced out of the casual moviegoing experience and that started long before streaming-taking a chance on a movie only costs time now. Glowing reviews and word of mouth bringing attention to something most people can actually watch on a streamer is better than a traditional distributor's passionate promotion of a film that can hardly be seen outside a major city. Because of streaming, Americans are watching more foreign films and documentaries than ever before. We are seeing stories and creatives that never would have gotten a chance to emerge without the vastness of the streaming landscape and the increased need for "content." Also, are we pretending that the studio system wasn't cranking out "content" featuring the same stable of contracted, manufactured talent and rehashes of old hits?

@ivanpabon2741

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@SirBlackReeds

3 жыл бұрын

Still, how sustainable are all these different streaming services? Disney+ and others have been thriving because of the pandemic. What's going to happen after it's over?

@the_crypter

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirBlackReeds They are still going to strive, why won't they, a very very vast majority of people prefer watching movies from the comforts of their home than going to a theatre. Ofcourse many smaller streaming services will fade out just like how it's always has been.

@injieanis4581

3 жыл бұрын

Finally! A sensible comment!

@ziglaus

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was going to write something similar, but you saved me the time

I saw A Sun when it came, it is a beautiful film, gorgeous cinematography but these kinds of films are now only reserved for those groups of people who experience film for its true artistic value, mostly people want to be amused by what they see.. No wonder why soo many bad movies and actors are indifferently promoted. It is a sad situation but as long as there are film makers who still make cinema such as this, there's still hope, at least for sake of my own interests and expectations.

Something that really struck me watching this was the way every frame of every movie shown here was a fantastic picture that made you want to see the whole movie - except for those from the Marvel movies, which were sludge.

@videolad3057

3 жыл бұрын

You're so cultured.

@JohnMoseley

3 жыл бұрын

@@videolad3057 I wasn't trying to say anything about myself, I was trying to say it seemed like the Marvel images were objectively worse. I realise that's a stretch and it's always going to be subjective, but it seemed sort of obvious: the other images had strong compositions and beautiful colour relationships and the Marvel images were just mud.

@TallicaMan1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnMoseley it gets rather annoying people think all 20+ marvel movies are the same. I'm not a fan, but I have watched them all over the years as they came out. I can tell you the vast majority of people in this comment section have not even seen most of them. They're bias comes from it's a comic book its for kids not realizing how stupid that statement actually is if you look at actual comic books, but this aside. Don't paint the MCU with one brush. Doctor Strange still has some of the coolest visuals I've seen this decade.

@JohnMoseley

3 жыл бұрын

@@TallicaMan1986 All I can tell you is, I've tried repeatedly and most of them haven't worked for me, including Dr. Strange. I was a big comics fan as a kid, and really liked the Dark Knight, so I don't think I'm narrow minded about this. How about you? Are you equally open to having your mind blown by Godard, Fellini, Buñuel, Rohmer, Marguerite Duras, Ozu and other art house greats?

This is a genuinely important video. Hearing the Edgar Wright/Tarantino discussion of British cinema on Empire is another good example of how personal connection and curation adds meaning to finding new media (and Scorsese himself gave Edgar many suggestions). Movies make connections, but with everyone watching a million different things, and not even taking the time to reflect or discuss (if they could even find someone in their direct circle who had seen the same niche piece of 'content') before moving on to another binge, means that it just passes the time, rather than being time well spent.

@chopin65

3 жыл бұрын

Curation also limits discovery to the taste of the person picking out the films. That in of itself is no guarantee of great art.

I have to say I really, really admire you for speaking your mind about Cinema, especially in this day and age. I myself never really bought the whole streaming thing. I was very lucky to be brought up on all kinds of films from every era and ever since I started earning my own money I would buy up physical copies for myself every chance I could, and still do to this day! My room is absolutely cramped right now with psysical media and I don't regret it for a second! Keep on spreading the word my friend!

Sad that the beautiful things Scorsese wrote about Fellini weren't talked about, it made me love both of them even more, what he wrote was so powerful that less than 5 days after having read the easy, I saw And The Ship Sails On... It was fantastic, a lot of fantastic moments, especially the final 45 minutes, some of the best things Fellini made are there. Great video as usual.

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude. The rest of the essay which looks more extensively at Fellini is indeed beautiful. No one paints the passion for movies more vividly than Scorsese.

@vdswati

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god! So true! Nobody is actually talking about his tribute to Fellini! In fact, for me, it was Scorsese’s essay that made me want to watch 8 1/2 (which I had just watched yesterday). At the end of the film I was awestruck at the beauty of the film. So dreamy and mesmerising!!!!

@xpindy

Жыл бұрын

@@vdswati Warning! After watching something like 8 1/2 do not attempt watching anything made in the last ten years. This has been a PSA from the suicide prevention hotline.

This was a very interesting video, but I have a much more positive view on streaming. First of all, saying that Scorsese's lament on cinema today is just like how others did so in 1996 shows how empty the statement itself is. How we watch and enjoy movies is changing, that's for sure. But I think it’s all for the better, at least for those of us who just consume films. The two movies you mention are great examples. If movies like A Sun and The Other Side of the Wind came out in the 90s, chances are, general audiences wouldn't have seen them. They would have been just as obscure then as they are now. Except in the 90s, you'd have to drive to an arthouse or a film festival and pay for a ticket. Nowadays, if someone wants to watch an obscure art house or foreign film, they can pull it up on Netflix or Hulu in no time. In fact, with your second example, Netflix was actively invested in making the film. Putting the time and money into something like this might not have happened without the backing of a streaming service. And if it didn’t get a ton of attention on Netflix, it probably wouldn’t have done well in theaters either. Your next point is about how algorithms can't introduce us to new things. I think that’s a fair statement generally, but then you show that it doesn't really matter because you also discuss films with your friends and look for recommendations online. People have been doing this before streaming services and they still do it now. Scorsese's complaint about the algorithm is stupid to me because the same people who don't stray away from the popular stuff that gets recommending on streaming would not have strayed away from popular movies in theaters in the past. You then say streaming services are catering to the modern, popular and that which is in English. That is how the film industry in the US has always been. Studios have been playing it safe for decades. It’s not really fair to call that a unique problem to streaming services. Also, is interest in foreign films really on the decline? I know that interest in foreign films has never been that high in the US, but I don't really believe that it's gotten worse, to be honest. It's easier to watch foreign films now more than ever. Parasite literally won best picture in 2019. Obviously I don’t agree with the Marvel stans comment because I legitimately think Scorsese is just wrong about the dangers of streaming. To me, the fact that streaming has brought way more money into the industry and has given so many people access to films made all throughout the history of the world makes up for a lot of the shortcomings. Even Scorsese himself had to turn to Netflix to get funding for The Irishman. Traditional studios didn’t want to fund it because making an expensive gangster movie in 2018 that was over 3 hours long probably wouldn’t recoup its costs. But Netflix was willing to take that risk. Honestly, from reading some of his other statements, I kinda just think he’s upset that he couldn’t get his new movie into theaters and had to settle for streaming. Read the opinion piece he did clarifying his stance on the Marvel films if you want to see what I mean. And I suppose I can sympathize with that. But if that’s what you need to do to make exactly the movie you want, and that movie does not have wide appeal, then that’s what you have to deal with. Studios have been risk averse for decades, it's not new. Also, with large film collections being more easily available at home tied with 4K TVs and surround systems becoming cheaper, I think more and more people will have nice theater setups at home anyway. If the art films really do have to be relegated to streaming services, I honestly think filmmakers will learn to adjust as they always have in such a turbulent industry. But those are just my thoughts on the matter, anyway. Thanks for reading!

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, lots to dive into here. First and foremost I just wanna say thank you for watching and leaving such a detailed comment. To respond to some of your points: -a couple of people have raised that if movies like A Sun or The Other Side of the Wind had more traditional theatrical releases they'd still be fairly obscure and I'm not sure that's true. Lulu Wang has talked about how she was offered more money to release The Farewell through a streaming service (she doesn't specify which) and turned them down for a theatrical run, specifically citing her fear that the movie would be buried and forgotten on streaming. The movie ended up grossing $23 million on a budget of $3 million and was one of the most highly acclaimed movies of 2019. All that to say I'm not sure I buy that the theatrical route is an inherent path to obscurity for art-house and foreign language movies. -my point about algorithms was less that audiences can't discover new things on streaming but more that companies like Netflix don't do enough to nourish the movies in TV shows in their library. That unless you're actively looking, it's much harder to make those discoveries. One recent development I really like is HBOMax's efforts at curation, with Zack Snyder handpicking a list of recommendations from their streaming library. There's a lot of modern action movies there, but also some surprises like Cinema Paradiso, The English Patient, Little Children, Michael Clayton, Mulholland Drive, Paris, Texas; The Player, The Wages of Fear, and a couple of Kurosawa films, to name a few examples. It's a great way for audiences to make new discoveries and I'd like to see more streaming services do it. -I'm not calling the catering to already popular and English-language movies a problem unique to streaming. The main reason I begin this video with Sontag's essay is to illustrate that these are not new issues, so much as they are ones streaming as currently implemented further exasperates -I don't think streaming is all bad and I don't think Scorsese does either. He admits himself in the Fellini essay that streaming has been a good thing for several filmmakers, including himself. But that doesn't mean it can't be better, that its shortcomings should go unnoticed. -I agree with your point about home viewing becoming exponentially better over the last several decades, but I also think it offers much less than the theatrical experience. Beyond screen size or surround sound, the theater offers a distraction free environment which is a welcome reprieve in a world constantly connected online. Especially after working from home throughout the pandemic and constantly being beckoned to check my phone with emails and notifications, the opportunity to shut the rest of the world out and immerse myself in a movie at the theater is more enticing than ever -not related to your response, exactly, but I wanted to mention that I'm a huge fan of your Hollow Knight videos

@mossbag69

3 жыл бұрын

@@EyebrowCinema Thanks for the reply! I think I have a better understanding of your point of view now. I'm glad you like my content! I actually stumbled upon this video because I am working on a HK video about video games as art and was doing some research.

@peteraitken3818

3 жыл бұрын

@@EyebrowCinema Please could you pin this comment and thread, by far the most interesting and definitely adds to the discussion!

@mondodimotori

2 жыл бұрын

@@mossbag69 ​ @Eyebrow Cinema You basically pointed out all my thought about this video. I also want to add something: The difference in how people search for movies. I lived the era before streaming services, and had to use the internet or friends suggestions to find new movies to watch. And when streaming services hit, I kept doing that. I don't follow the algoritms, I always browse the most recent releases perodically, watching what catches my eye or specifically looking for I movie I was suggested on these platforms, and even going past them if they don't have what I'm looking for. But if I look at some friends of mine that are not "cinephiles" well, they just watch what's hot at the moment, being it in theaters before streaming and on streaming now. They would listen to suggestions, but never actually get to it and watch those suggestions. It's simply a different way of seeing cinema: For some it's an art form with it's peculiarities. For others it's just another media to consume. Of course streaming services appeals to the latter, since they are the bigger user base. But this was also the same thing when studios where in charge, and decided what was worthy of being produced, and what wasn't, with the caviat that theaters had limited space, so if you were looking for a more niche movie, you would have to go out of your way to find it. I lived this, and having my parents to drive me (or do it myself when I aquire a driving license) was problematic. In fact I ended up developing my cinematic tastes only when I had acces to a fast internet connection. Before that, it was almost impossible for me to satisfy my hunger. Even if I received suggestions, if no one could provide me a physical copy of that movie, I had to sit out on the experience. With internet I could easily buy and get movies to watch home, not having to rely on the local video rental (and the lacking quality of overused copies). And with streaming services, I didn't even had to chose wich movie to buy and wich to postpone for the next paycheck. I can watch them and, if I really love them, order a physical copy for my collection. In sintesis: My "cinephile" experience hasn't change with the arrival of streaming services, it only got enhanced, and in the end it all depends on how people see and consume this medium, and these differend kind of moviegoers always existed. PS, now with multiplex it's also easier to find the movie you want close to where you live, I was actually pretty lucky that a theater near home screened "The Irishman", so that I could watch it on the big screen. Worth it.

Eyoooo, I just discovered your channel, I was dying to find a good KZread channel about actual cinema (And not the usual 3 hour long video analyzing how the avengers is the pinnacle of human geniality).

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard, Victor! Good to meet you.

Something else that kills cinema, the death of the video store. My mom and I would spend literally hours in the video store, pacing up and down the aisle, looking for that 'one'. Then, talking to other people in the store, whether customers or employees, it was cool just to talk film while holding the box in your hand. The back and forth was everything. "If you like that movie, then check out this" type situation. I miss that. I would even rent movies I never seen before along with ones I repeatedly saw. You had the recommendations board both new and old, tvs playing various scenes, it was grand. Now its just like you said, bots and math choosing what they want you to see and not highlighting new/old low key cult classic forgotten whatever films. Gone are the days of folks watching something for the experience. They go see marvel movies for iron man, not the actor. They watch most watched stuff because social media told them too and they dont want to "miss out" on the wave. Its sad.

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent point. It reminds me a bit of Tarantino's comments about how when you rented a movie for the weekend, you were more committed to it. You'd gone out, paid for it specifically, and brought it home for a few days, and therefore were more likely to really watch it, not haphazardly play it in the background or watch a couple of minutes and give up because it didn't grab you right away.

@robbietorkelsonn8509

3 жыл бұрын

"They go see marvel movies for iron man, not the actor." - yes, I just call that progress

@JCT1926

Жыл бұрын

Grown people obsessively watching someone save the world in his underwear is progress?

Something to note, I think it's cool that there are a few Jean-Luc Godard and Ingmar Bergman films on HBO Max.

@jobsmine

3 жыл бұрын

Which is why I always prefer HBO Max and WB films over any other streaming apps. Truly brilliant.

@fasihullah8386

3 жыл бұрын

@@jobsmine me too

Nostalgia breathes meaning into things that never had any meaning meaning in the first place. And for the same reason the present is perpetually meaningless. - some human

@ernestolombardo5811

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. After my initial reaction to this video settled back down, I thought "with the new, both bad and good things are thrown out the window, while also bad and good things are created/discovered". Because of the lack of the concept of "content", a lot of older films - particularly from the Silent Era - ended up rotting inside their reels, and even a lot of recognized classics deteriorated to the point that they needed restoration. Some older television shows - Dr Who being a prime example - were erased to tape some shows from later dates, as the BBC did not deem their programming to have any possible lasting, legacy value for the culture. Monty Python's Flying Circus was nearly erased. Can you wrap your mind around such a crime inflicted on future generations? The systemic mentality that nearly led to this? Utter insanity.

@fabiorodrigo3638

3 жыл бұрын

So true. From 20 years from now, people will complain how movies were made today and how the movies from 20 years from now is decaying.

If you are a fan of good cinema, just explore KZread properly. There are countless hidden gems on KZread that are crying for attention, and it's all free (other than your internet connection). You have to look for them a bit, and they will yield to you like happy surprises. KZread itself is a goldmine when it comes to good/great cinema that have been criminally overlooked for years, maybe because they were low budget or were never marketed properly, or never made it to festival circuits. There are films here that you might never have heard of, but when you start watching them you'll ask yourself: "Gosh! When was this masterpiece made? And how did it elude me for so long?" Agreed that some films here won't allow you to go beyond 480p, but the pleasure of watching an obscure movie in 480p (or a VHS rip copy) is divine, as the noise and occasional blurring heightens the obscurity of the hidden gem. And they are worth watching only on KZread because you'll find them nowhere else - not on Netflix, not on other streaming platforms, not in stores. You may find them on torrent sites, but they're all lying dead there and you can never download them.

"Damnit! Blockbusters doesn't have Star Wars again. Oh well.... What's this? Spaceballs?" Probably wouldn't have discovered that gem if I was on Netflix

@Solodolo84

3 жыл бұрын

Hell no. Unless its a wave of people on social media talking about it or the studio is in bed with the platform. It's just not the same even with the convenience.

The controversy of Scorsese vs MCU fans boils down to one person saying "stop liking what I don't like" and people responding with "start liking what I like". In the meantime, I bought the Director's Cut of Amadeus on Bluray and I'm too happy to feel strongly over the disagreement.

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Does the blu-ray also come with the theatrical cut?

@KalleVilenius

3 жыл бұрын

@@EyebrowCinema It does not, but there is a "Making of" documentary.

@aaronstark5060

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you're wrong about the second part, but you are wrong about the first. Scorsese merely stated what he doesn't like about modern cinema (a sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with and 100% share). He never called anyone out for liking these films. He only said why he didn't like where the industry was. I have made the same arguments he made on several occasions. However he WAS called out for how he felt. He WAS called out for not liking the types of movies he was saying he did not.

@TallicaMan1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaronstark5060 the problem is it's not a Modern Cinema problem. This has been going on since Hollywood began.

@aaronstark5060

3 жыл бұрын

@@TallicaMan1986 I don’t agree with that.

it's amazing to me that streaming services don't work with more curators to present content. It doesn't seem so far fetched to imagine a "Scorsese's Cinema" category on Netflix underneath the "Continue Watching" column.

The unity of well crafted, well performed oration, and perfectly timed montage, and the transcendent shots picked have me chills watching this, even just on my phone.

I feel like the 2000’s was the last good decade for Cinema (and you could say music as well tbh). Though there has been good films in the early 2010’s like Wolf On Wall Street, Django Unchained, Prisoners, Enemy, Drive, Shame, Her, Moneyball, Black Swan, Fitlh, Inception, Shutter Island, Gone Girl, Trance, We Need To Talk About Kevin, Predestination, Contagion, Birdman, Take Shelter, Coherence, Kiss Of The Damned, Source Code, Dread, Under The Skin, Byzantium, Limitless, Midnight In Paris, all good films that came out in the first half of the 2010’s. Something happened around 2015 where we are now seeing less good films coming out, you get the odd exception since 2015 like Arrival, Nocturnal Animals, Brawl In Cell Block 99, and Suspiria (2018), but nowhere near the amount of good films from the first half of the 2010’s. From around 2015 to 2019 we got a huge amount of Superhero films, when the MCU started in 2008 to 2014 those Superhero films were spaced out and it didn’t feel overkill, however from 2015 to 2019 so many Superhero films were just flooding everywhere to the point of it exceeding overkill. What movie studios want now is to market movies to a younger audience and those Superhero films guarantee money, that’s why Scorsese said in early 2020 that the movie studios didn’t want to touch a big budget gangster film in The Irishman, because it didn’t target a younger audience like the Superhero movies do. Back in the 90’s the big blockbuster was disaster movies like Independence Day, Volcano, Deep Impact, Twister, Armageddon, I guess because of Y2K and the beginning of the Millennium. In the 2000’s the blockbuster was the comedy movie with Bruce Almighty, Shaun Of The Dead, Dodgeball, Borat, The Hangover, people wanted to laugh in the 2000’s. But now the big blockbuster is the Superhero films and film studios wanting to market to a younger audience, but my problem with it is there are so many of these Superhero movies that it’s become overkill.

@zarkoostojic9063

3 жыл бұрын

True, in fact I think that 2019 will be remembered as last good film year as time goes by.

@osaji922

3 жыл бұрын

Like somebody else said in the comments which echoes what I've been saying for a while now, the problem lies in the marketing and promotion. It can often feel like they don't make anything but superhero films but it's not true. The real reason it feels like that is because those along with the big established IPs get the biggest marketing budgets while the other original films don't. The original films have to fight an uphill battle just to make a return on the studio's investment. It's a pretty ass backward way of doing business when you think about it. The next MCU film will be easy to find. People are crazy about them so they don't need a huge marketing budget. They'll make that money back and then some. Put the bigger budgets towards the new IPs and let the pieces fall where they may based on box office results.

@BobyJooba

3 жыл бұрын

The 2 best films of the decade has been made in 2015 and 2017 : Fury Road and Blade Runner 2049. There's also been Dunkirk, Parasite, The Handmaiden, Portrait of a lady on Fire, Joker, Jackie, Sicario, Arrivals, Once Upon in Hollywood (even if the last 30 minutes are trash) and a few others. Also a lot of movies that you mentionned are pure junk, like Inception, Limitless or Source Code for exemple. Wolf of Wall Street is also a film for man-chdilren, I find it incredible that people here in the comments want challenging movies and they cite this yankee garbage as an exemple of good cinema, pathetic.

@nu-metalfan2654

3 жыл бұрын

@@BobyJooba You say Wolf On Wall Street is for “man children”, and then say that one of the best movies of the decade is Blade Runner 2049, that’s ironic. 😂. And Inception, Source Code, and Limitless are great films. And didn’t you see the other films I mentioned like Prisoners, Drive, Enemy, Black Swan, Django Unchained etc etc. For me the 2 best films of the decade are Wolf On Wall Street and Gone Girl.

@xpindy

Жыл бұрын

@@nu-metalfan2654 BladeRunner2049? No comment. There's not one essential film in all the films mentioned in the above comments. Many of them are merely okay- certainly not list changers for someone with a large frame of reference, someone older like me. As many of you get older and discover some of the truly great films of the last century, you will most certainly end up coming to the same conclusions. Only your prejudices concerning "your films" stands in your way. Serious people should not be watching films about "Spiderman" much less pontificating about how great they are- we still aspire to be serious people I hope?

I just miss going to movie theater for no particular reason at all, and going with my friends or dad and just watching some random movie I wouldn’t have seen anyways. I miss that in these times

You know, these streaming platforms could just have two algorithms you can choose whenever: the familiar stream of content that we already get mode, and the other like a "randomize mode" meant to give new challenging content to people.

@alexisogbemudia5458

3 жыл бұрын

Netflix has a random mode

@alexisogbemudia5458

3 жыл бұрын

@Frank Silvers yes cause you just expect masterpieces that are unique to your taste to be plopped in front of you consistently

I miss Blockbuster or any other video rental stores. Talking to people who care was way better than having content forced in my face with little explanation

Saturday, December 10, 2022. I listened to this video this morning. I went on Netflix and typed in A Sun and The Other Side Of The Wind -- they are both still on there, available to be watched.

It's the same with music streaming... I almost never discover new interesting music through the countless recommendations but through live sets someone has created.

I disagree with this critique of streaming platforms "dumping" movies on their platforms. In a world without streaming, most of these movies would be relegated to small art house cinemas. Art house movies have been and will be niche. That is not the fault of the algorithm, it was like that before as well. At least Netflix makes access to films like The Sun possible. That's far more exposure to art cinema than most people would ever get without it. Is the critique really that they didn't promote the movie enough? So it's not about cinema, movie production, or movie accessibility, but about movie marketing.

After your recommendation I found “A Sun” on Netflix and watched. Very good movie! I don’t disagree with your analysis of current cinema but “A Sun” is a Taiwanese film so it’s quite possible that the Chi-Coms may had some input on its being buried.

The fact that it's so difficult to find films I'm interested in or end up liking anymore is why I read far more often than I used to. I've been a cinephile for my entire life, but it's just become increasingly difficult to find actually interesting films.

I can remember going to the movies, getting there early, and staring at the blank screen for 15 or 20 minutes...imagining what might happen in the film I had been anticipating for months. Now they put commercials on the screen before the film. The kind of anticipation I had 30 years ago seems to be gone. I can't even remember the last time I felt it.

This was so beautifully made; thank you! Personally, one of the best ways I've discovered movies I normally wouldn't have found on my own are from looking at all the movies referenced in "The Simpsons" (especially from the golden age seasons 1-10). It's not exactly a human recommendation, but it almost feels like it's the writers' recommendations, if that makes sense? Or I guess what they were inspired by for a scene or an episode concept.

My best discovery’s have been from browsing IMDB. Going to my favorite directors or actors, seeing who they’ve worked with, movies they’ve been in. The top 250 watchlist, and recommended movies based on those 250 watchlists. Just looking and moving around to see what’s there. I’d also say create a watchlist on there, since it logs everything.

It is so ironic that an essay on the subject of streaming services butchering the magic of cinema is interrupted by a Netflix ad.

@fromthehaven94

3 жыл бұрын

I got HBO Max before the video and Netflix after.

I searched for "a sun" but "the sun is also a star" come up. Now I feel sad.

Your stuff is an inspiration man. Pound for pound I am convinced that this channel is inching its way to Lindsay's long term crown for best video essayist on film KZread (in my own mind anyway). I'm probably also biased bc I agree with almost all your conclusions so it's nice to hear my own thoughts parroted back at me in a well edited form, but I genuinely adored this - would rank it alongside your essays on "inconvenience of theatres", The Shining, and the death of the gangster film as some of your very best work.

As a dude who donated to the indiegogo for Other Side of the Wind and doesn't have Netflix, I'm still wondering where my Blu-ray copy is.

There is anther threat on the rise. " offensive content" being re edited or cut from classic movies entirely.

@abnerdoon4902

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the good ol days we only have to worry about Christian moral alarmists, they learned to take a hike and fuck off. Now they are replaced by another group of people.

Cinema vs. Content is the same as saying Quality vs. Quantity.

Wow this is the first time I watch any of your "content" and I have to say I am very impressed. Also Scorsese was right on so many levels but sadly I don't think people can just detach themselves from the MCU because they have such a connection to it and not Cinema. But there are people who do have a connection with Cinema and the MCU and such that do agree with Scorsese so I believe that he is right to Hope that things will get better anyway keep doing the great work my dude and also you got a new sub for it

stumbled upon this video, now i cant wait to check out your other videos

I enjoy good movies, even relish a few, and watch a lot, but I don't know if I'm a cinephile. I've been making zines with movie reviews for decades---I'm 62---but I haven't watched more that three minutes total of the Academy Awards. I watch film, and read novels and short stories, for a blend of entertainment and to explore society and myself---for my own personal reasons. I'm interested in existential themes. They have a personal meaning for me. I recently learned how to download old, obscure movies to a thumb drive, which I watch on my old 1996 Magnavox. I couldn't enjoy a movie on a computer screen, couldn't get through three minutes of it, and I don't know anything about, nor do I want to hassle with, smart TV's or the like. I also get a lot of excellent VHS movies at thrift stores for 99 cents. I hauled home boxes of strange old movies from many a yard sale. A few years ago I got VHS for only 50 cents. I remember the many years of dollar DVD's at Walmart, where I found some absolute gems. I used to get Netflix discs through the postal mail, but I found their e-mail nagging a nuisance, so I cancelled my subscription. There's a very fine line between an intelligent movie, made with subtlety and nuance, and one that is contrived and pretentious. I generally don't care for "art film". Many things I like seem to be taken over by pretentiousness and pedantry. I think the phenomenon of watching movies in theaters, vs. on VHS and DVD machines, vs. streaming is very under-explored. I grew up before VHS video rental stores. VHS were rare and expensive. Good movies showed up on broadcast TV rarely and sporadically. A movie that especially younger people today with glance at with boredom, was a rare and exciting opportunity, waited for all week long, when it was found in the old TV Guide. I first saw Frankenstein, and Night of the Living Dead, this way. Going to a movie theater, especially if you were rural, was a rare and exciting event. The act of walking out into the daylight, all "drugged" with movie magic, is something that can't be explained to someone who wasn't inculturated in that time and place. Even VHS movie rentals stores, for the movie fan, took on their own aura, and will always be remembered.

I'm pretty sure all of the issues you describe here are not even remotely new. Studios have always generally made movies that will make them money. Theaters have always generally shown those movies more than art films. Moviegoers have always preferred them. If anything, the accessibility of good cinema today means there are more cinephiles than ever before. If you're lamenting the loss of the moviegoing experience itself, well, I guess there aren't as many arthouse theaters as there used to be. But that's been the case for a very long time, and has little to do with streaming, if anything.

@petespanchos

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I totally agree.

@videolad3057

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@Ray03595

3 жыл бұрын

this. Just sounds like he wanted to make a vid validating Scorse instead of actually trying to think about the point of view. Sometimes an arthouse film will explode in popularity, but generally, people like the blockbuster films. There is certainly not a decrease in the type of films he likes at all. There is plenty out there and plenty on streaming. If you don't look, you won't find. If I want to watch shows like Housewives , that is what Netflix will give me. If i want small indie dramas, Netflix will give them to me. I've watched two Taiwanese films the past month and Netflix has reccomended a few others now. Is the algorithm perfect, no, but it's got little to do with the decay of cinema. I'm not seeing these films without streaming.

@glencoe1266

3 жыл бұрын

Oh god another marvel fans. The internet is now awash with 14 year olds and it sucks.

@chickenflavor9880

3 жыл бұрын

@@glencoe1266 true.

Amazing video, as usual. I’ve been low key agreeing with Scorsese since he first called out streaming giants and algorithms for diluting and cheapening the “industry” and turning cinema into content. There’s another problem that I don’t know if I have the vocabulary to articulate, but I’ll try anyway. So back in the day, I respected Netflix for pouring millions of dollars into niche, high-concept original productions. I found their approach of financing these very niche and focused concepts to be very smart and I truly believed that it would push the industry forward, artistically. Take House of Cards - they managed to turn a freaking political drama into water-cooler talk material. I really doubt office workers from the Noughties were yearning to get to work and talk about The West Wing with their coworkers. Oh, how naive I was. Because by building literally all of their original productions around these niche concepts and dumping them by the dozens on their platform, they soon managed to cheapen even this. Many of their movies and shows are not works of art, but gimmicks spawned from the algo gods. Want a show about a single mom of three who’s an accountant by day but a getaway driver by night? A stylish dramedy set in 70s New York, with a soundtrack filled with never-before-heard obscure disco gems that Netflix paid millions in research and music historians to uncover about a mild-mannered sports reporter who hunts serial killers in his off-time? If the algo determines there’s a market for these shows, you’ll probably get them. It’s literally SEO with high production values. Niches are no longer niches - they’re keywords. Anyway, sorry for my ramblings. I am a bit bitter about this lol. Props to giving a shout to my second favorite movie, Fargo. I know it’s a revered classic and all, but I still think it’s not getting as much credit as it deserves. Keep on doing what you’re doing!

my new favorite video of yours. put into words what i (and others) been feeling for years, something needs to change!

Hey, thank you for the video. I totally agree that it's up to us! I wanted to say that Netflix naturally tries to do what's in their best interest as a company, which means -as you mentioned- suggesting things it thinks you're more likely to watch, but I feel in this sense it's no different than posters on the street and trailers on tv, which have always been around. It's the business side of it, which I think has nothing to do with cinephilia. I feel it's always been the viewers "job" to find stuff and suggest things to others. Companies are not going to think about you as an individual and what might really be an interesting thing for your life, that would be an almost impossible task that would take way too many resources. Your friend who gave you those DVDs was a single human being who knew you personally, and that's exactly why it made sense to give you those DVDs. That's the beauty of it, the human connection side of it. This is something no company could ever do, understandably, and this is just as valid today for streaming services as for studios making silent movies 100 years ago. Also, I think what makes a movie special is you experiencing it as special. The same way you can see content and dismiss it as worthless and move on to something else. That same content can be another person's cinema & vice-versa. At the end of the day only we can navigate these things and nobody else will do it for us, because really nobody can do it for us. I suppose it's a matter of being aware of this and the immense ocean of films that are actually around, instead of watching only what say Netflix suggests, under the illusion that this is all the world of cinema has to offer.

Scorsese is old, yes. Scorsese doesn't get the appeal of the MCU and most franchise films of this day and age, yes. But that doesn't change the fact that Martin Scorsese has more film knowledge, passion, and experience than 99% of the human population, and to listen to someone like that on this subject can only be a benefit.

@abishaipaul2298

3 жыл бұрын

He understands the appeal. He's just sad. And so am I. I love marvel and everything they have done. But then watching a movie blindly is still the best experiences I've ever had, Theatre or streaming.

@mikhaelgribkov4117

2 жыл бұрын

"Martin Scorsese has more film knowledge, passion, and experience than 99% of the human population" And why that? Because you said that? He is human, a director, not a some God or Superman. This blind love for old star of the past is really pathetic. You don't need high inteligence to understand that his shit talk can be applied to all cinema history and is a struggle that was there at the start.

Unfortunately the same could be said about popular music. From the Gershwins to Pink Floyd, what a remarkable run the first 80 years of recorded music was. People will talk about that music long after I'm gone, but the last US pop hit that actually felt new and interesting to me was 'Toxic' and that was a long, long time ago. When I was growing up, every month would see something new and amazing, and other things that are still widely recognised 60 years later. In a class last week I listed three of the most prominent new songs in each of the first 6 months of 1965 - everybody recognised every one of them. When I talk to people of any age about music, many don't recognise the song by name but when I start to sing it - oh yes... Today - blank. Melody - puerile. Harmony - gone. Rhythm - predictable. Vocals - lacking character.

@TallicaMan1986

3 жыл бұрын

You know theres some science backing up the idea that peoples Tastes are pretty much set in stone by around their 20s? I think we see that all the time when people complain about the present. While myself don't like todays pop. Me studying to be a producer is fascinated by it. The amount of work that goes into something so "simple" anyone can do it is astounding. The amount of songwriting ability one needs to pump out hit after hit after hit like Max Martin is an artform of it's own, the ability to mix and master is also an artform. Another problem looking into the past and bringing up those moments is You are looking at The Now culture from the outside. Things you don't even know about will be remembered by those who are living in the Now Culture 60 years from now. Yes, It is us who are out dated and fading. Why? The internet has made information so accessible it increased consumption from pretty much everyone. A week on the internet is like several months of events packed into that one week. The culture is moving faster and figuring out different methods because turns out there is more than one way of doing pretty much anything and this includes film.

@gumbycat5226

3 жыл бұрын

@@TallicaMan1986 Curious and, I suppose, true for many. Personally the opposite took place for me. Once I got to about 14 new stuff started to feel like an artistic wasteland. On the other hand in my 20s and beyond I became increasingly interested in older music of all sorts of genres, stuff I used to deride in my formative years.

@xpindy

Жыл бұрын

@@gumbycat5226 Didn't they stop making new music about thirty years ago- I figured that's why no one was buying it.

Your passion for film shines through. I am glad I found your channel

This earned a subscription and all my respect. Thank you for this. It's completely true and inspired me to widen my breadth of films again. The almighty algorithm, I believe, also feeds into a sense of complacency and nostalgia. The ease of having so many films available all at once means we don't need to go searching for that gold nugget in the river at our local video store or through a mail order catalog. There was something magical about how hard it was to find certain films. It demanded attention and when you found it, you took it seriously. We're never going back to that, but I think a new paradigm is possible, thanks to people like you who keep the love of cinema as an artform alive. Thank you.

Lets be honest i would rather pay 10$ to see a movie everyday of the month rather than paying 18$ for a single movie

@Meekox

3 жыл бұрын

@Frank Silvers like the video said There is great movies in Netflix you just have to really dig deep

Great video! Speaking of recommending films, I noticed that the Criterion ad you included featured a clip of faceless school girls. Which film is that from?

@mclare71

3 жыл бұрын

Georges Franju's - Eyes Without A Face

Consumers who don't create will never understand how disturbing and depressing the word 'content' is.

A really intelligent and well put together cinema essay. Thank you

If these films were released in theatres they would also be underseen and forgotten though wouldn't they?

@UltimateKyuubiFox

3 жыл бұрын

Shh, don’t remind him of that. The cinemaphiles can’t know that a lot of the most famous great movies of all time are only remembered because other cinephiles curated them and deemed them worthy decades later. They have to believe that we must do something bold right now or else everything will collapse, exactly as it has been doing since the 50s.

@tomemeornottomeme1864

3 жыл бұрын

​@@UltimateKyuubiFox You can make that argument for literally anything. You haven't uncovered some brilliant "AHA!" counterargument, you've just made yourself seem defensive and like you're trying to make an echo chamber for yourself.

@leonardotavaresdardenne9955

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 what? Speak english please, you rambled on about nothing.

@tomemeornottomeme1864

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonardotavaresdardenne9955 No, I was pretty clear actually.

@leonardotavaresdardenne9955

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 about what? You went on about how "you can say that about anything!", but uh you can't.

What's your opinion on MUBI? The online curated streaming platform?

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Love it in concept, though I don't use it much as I had an issue with the subtitles on my last attempt. I should probably give it another go.

@ashokaayar760

3 жыл бұрын

@@EyebrowCinema Good to know. Not used it either inspite of the no of sponsorships it gets from fellow KZreadrs on film video essays. I still search on my own for films, not really into streaming. It is true that they are reduced to 'Content' now, and everyone talks that way.

@tobi2731

3 жыл бұрын

They do have a really expansive film library including a lot of films that are not easy to find elsewhere (especially in good quality) and new productions as well as restorations pop up alike. It's really a night and day difference to something like Netflix which has a huge library full of trash (I did a trial period once to watch The Other Side of The Wind and was amazed at how few films interested me). I was able to catch a lot of films on Mubi which I was dying to watch like the 14 hour La Flor or Carruth's Upstream Colour, All The Vermeers in New York, Madeleine's Madeleine, etc. Not everything on there is a masterpiece of course but there is some genuine care put into the selection.

@filmnobelpreis

3 жыл бұрын

Ew, subtitles...

@ernestolombardo5811

3 жыл бұрын

@@filmnobelpreis Subtitles are fine. What makes a foreign movie unwatchable are out-of-sync subtitles, even if they're just one second out of phase. I wonder if that's what OP is referring to?

My man choosing to speak facts here. Curation has helped me amass a large collection of films I never had the chance to watch as a kid, half of them aren't in streaming services. For me it's physical media or the high seas all the way.

Prescient essay by Sontag. And it has a valid point, moreso today. I'm tired of the, "its okay to like trash!" chestnut we've been beaten with for over a decade now. You can like trash, but I'd like my favorite art forms, the languages I use to interiorly articulate the spring of my life, to not be debased and devalued because your trash is what's selling like hot cakes. Enough trash.

Very insightful, detailed and openly perspective. Great video

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, kindly!

@KungaMatata

3 жыл бұрын

Love your profile pic

Honestly I have to give props to HBO max for being one of the best streaming services out there. Plenty of obscure and foreign language films are on there. Turner classic movies also curates a great selection that is promoted heavily on the platform. Also plenty of Criterion remasters on there if you’re interested!

@matty6878

3 жыл бұрын

don't forget the motherload of all of that with the Criterion Channel

Your channel is great! I like your videos because you are very well documented, you raise valid question about your subjects and you make effort to ideologically exit from your comfort zone. Keep up the good work!

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very saying so, Bogdan :)

Maybe it's because I'm living in the UK with the BBC, but I've been finding that my TV watching has expanded. In 2012 when they aired a Swedish/Danish crime show called Bron/Broen/The Bridge and it got more viewers in the UK than either of the countries of origin a lot of us discovered the joys of subtitled cinema. My mother's watched a whole lot of 'Scandiwigian' TV and I fell in love with some of the more niche and Bollywood and Asian movies.

What scares me most about the movie culture now is fake cinephiles or wannabe elitists. I see more people talking about Parasite from 2019 than A Sun. Parasite is not bad, but people elevated it to such a high state in cinema that other much better films were not talked about as much. It's honestly disappointing that there is a fake layer of elitism in the cinema culture since it distracts from genuine great films from this era

@killingmewillnotbringbacky9177

3 жыл бұрын

what elitism? who? where? i've never seen these people.

one additional problem is in my opinion the lack of big, trusted movie critics that straddle the line between intellectual and popular like ebert and siskel who could convince people to search out and watch some of the great movies that get buried by the algorithm. instead we now only have a bunch of youtube reviewer manchildren that film themselves in front of their toy shelf on the one side and a bunch of old, elitist snobs that think everything with a budget over 5 million and a linear narrative is consumerist garbage on the other side, with each side having a seething hatred for the other.

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Algorithmic culture helps perpetuate this too. Has someone on the platform, we are far more incentivized to cover the same big pop-culture topics.

It isn't just the cinema, music is decaying.. art is decaying, earth is decaying..

Good art/cinema will go underground again, like it used to be. You have to dig for gold

That watchmen joke was goddamn genius.

Thank you for this thoughtful, revealing and interesting review. I knew something was changing in what was/ is emphasized on streamers such as Netflix etc. And the change of the who view experience outside of the theater.

Your videos are great. Really well argued, a joy to watch :)

Despite the amount of money and talent that Disney has at their disposal, to me, it all comes down to "Eat our slop. Wait for our next slop. Eat more of our slop."

@ghfudrs93uuu

3 жыл бұрын

It all comes back to the Michael Eisner memo

@somethang2865

3 жыл бұрын

And people happily eat that slop or do you think "Avengers End Game" is the highest grossing movie of all time because people are forced to watch it? The average slob wants to work an 8-hour shift and then put their feet up and watch trash. Always been like that, always will be. Do you really think that when Bergmans "Persona" came out, people flogged to the theaters to watch it? Highest grossing movies around that time were "Sound of Music", "The Bible" and "The Jungle book" - lowest common denominator garbage. Listen - I prefer art house movies over mass produced slob any day. I haven't seen a single marvel movie all the way through ... or Batman ... or Spiderman ... or most of Star Wars. "Lord of the rings" is commonly hailed as great cinema ... it's kitschy, escapist shit that satisfies popcorn audiences. Let the masses have their slob.

@123mandalore777

3 жыл бұрын

@@somethang2865 I agree with most of what you are saying, but you really come off as elitist and that's very off-putting. I would not say The Sound of Music or Lord of the Rings is lowest common denominator trash. They aren't arthouse either. But they aren't plebshit. The real problem with films is there is very little middle ground lately. I like to occasionally watch arthouse cinema and I love foreign films a lot, and I hate pleb garbage and bread and circuses capeshit. But all of my favorite films are inbetween, they will no doubt appeal to the masses as well occasionally, but they have a touch of arthouse to them. They are neither arthouse or plebshit, just inbetween, fun films made with passion and artistic integrity. Think of something like Blade Runner 2049, yeah I know, go insult it as McDonalds arthouse since you seem to to think what you watch determines your class or virtue as a person and you want to come off as elitist. But compare 3 films from that year, BR2049, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri, and that years MCU schlock. Three Billboards was fantastic and it still gives me food for thought, the character growth really impressed me especially with the cop. However I don't think I will ever watch that film ever again. It's a perfect example of a great film begins when the credits roll. Three Billboards was not fun or even enjoyable to watch, and the only way I ever see myself watching it again in maybe 10/20 years down the line to refresh my thoughts on it. However BR2049 and films of it ilk are just plain enjoyable and can be rewatched for ENTERTAINMENT purposes on a yearly basis, they have fantastic atmosphere, cinematography that pull you into it's world, is it escapism, yes, is that bad, no. There is a fundamental need for enjoyable entertainment and escapism, that isn't devoid of intellect. And most big budget movies are completely devoid of intellect or any artistic voice whatsoever. There needs to be something that has a voice, a deeper meaning, a purpose, is made with care and passion and by an artist with a unique vision, that also allows itself to have fun and allows us to escape the myriad issues of the real world for 2 hours. So I take issue with you lumping in Sound of Music, Lord of the Rings and Star Wars (unless you mean Disney trash) with the lowest common denominator bread and circuses crap that is only made for profit. I mean do you seriously think there is absolutely no value at all in The Sound of Music and that it's the same cultural level as fucking Thor or Aquaman? Elitism drives others away from what you promote as good.

@miguelpereira9859

3 жыл бұрын

@@somethang2865 Lord of the rings movies are pure trash, lipstick on a pig

@somethang2865

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguelpereira9859 my words precisely ;p

Thank you for some good suggestions , it's rare to find beauty in film and writing some wheres along the ways. :)

@EyebrowCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. Hope they prompt some good watches :)

You are one of the best creators of Film analysis on KZread...Deal with it haha Excellent as always

Thanks for introducing me to A Sun, one of the most touching and honest films I’ve seen in too long.

I have to say, one of the most enjoyable things to happen over this clusterfuck of a year was a) discovering that my sister has started the same practice as me of only watching movies that have been recommended to me by a friend or which I have genuine interest in, b) find out she's just as interested in weird and arthouse/borderline arthouse movies as I've been recently and c) having a movie night every few nights to watch them all. I've had some of the best movie experiences I've had in a while - watching Being John Malcovich not knowing ANYTHING about a plot or what kind of a movie it was was single handedly the greatest movie watching experience I've had since listening to an entire cinema collectively let go of their breath and sigh at the end of Mad Max Fury Road. I still miss going to the cinema but this has been a really good year for finding new/old undderrated movies I never thought of watching or heard of by the recomendation of others.