Its a singleplayer game nowadays

without PVP , this game is garbage

remember what they took from us. shadow arena, unique class walk animations, gear choice, most important of all, unique outfits.

@mindshifter5772

9 күн бұрын

dude come on ! even me as a veteran HATED shadow trash arena ! like who gives a fuk about that shitty event that take you away from the game and almost killed world pvp .

@WolfyBDO

9 күн бұрын

@@mindshifter5772 I share the same opinion but a lot of people enjoyed shadow arena, they could have done it way better ofc but now they have killed open world pvp. You should be able to earn rewards for open world pvp but they want instanced stuff which sucks

I miss when the barrier to entry for open world pvp was spending like 100 hours grinding and getting a couple of lucky enhancements. Back when pirates PvP had been absolute juicer content for a bit, and the Valencia 6 pvp server had just dropped. Now you need to spend thousands of hours of playtime just to get to even get to that competitive point again. I miss running it back on RBF and Arsha with 400 gearscore, back when the softcap was 500, and you could STILL style on kids that were 500 gearscore. Now having even a 20 gearscore gap between players can causes an insane disparity, not to mention that 20 gearscore gap will probably cost you hundreds if not thousands of hours of gameplay to close. New players will see veteran players gearscore and want to grind it up to be able to compete, but once the new players catch up to the veterans, the veterans will have already quit the game by then because there is nothing to do once you have that gearscore besides flex it in RBF or go on arsha and scare away everyone trying to grind. I get the that game was designed to be a grind fest. If you grind more than the other player, you should have an advtange over them. But does it really have to be so egregious? Do those huge gearscore gaps really need to mean so much past 700 gearscore? Why couldn't it have stopped at some point so the barrier to entry for open world pvp wasn't so high? Why can't there be actual PvE/Group content that would justify increasing that number on your stat sheet? Removing all of this PvP open world content has a huge impact on wanting to get higher gearscore. What are we gearing up for at this point? Theres no PvE content, there is no PvP content, and there is no bugatti waiting at the end of the grind. Until something changes, I'm hopping off of this perpetual nut grinding machine.

@Meshmagil

10 күн бұрын

At least I got the BUGATTI earings

@goblinman411

10 күн бұрын

@@Meshmagil goblin man

@Meshmagil

10 күн бұрын

@@goblinman411 goblin man

BASED

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

nuke sitting here crying about pvp being dead literally three days after a 3 alliance arsha fight at turos, classic

@NukeBDO

7 күн бұрын

ya pack it up bois pvp is saved there was a single gvg this month holyyyy cant w8 for the next one in 5 months

@doom8274

7 күн бұрын

@@NukeBDO >join the guild nobody wants to fight >number 2 guild is a complete joke that dodges everything >OMG GUYS THERE'S LITERALLY ZERO PVP IN THE ENTIRE GAME, MY EXPERIENCE SPEAKS FOR LITERALLY EVERYONES get a grip nuke

@NukeBDO

7 күн бұрын

Ya lets pretend i don't follow the pvp scene from multiple guilds/regions very closely and just take some randos assumptions that idk anything bc of the guild im in as fact lmao good take

@doom8274

7 күн бұрын

@@NukeBDO "bro no one wants to fight my DP meme corsair in the strongest guild on the server where even a single kill feed on arsha brings 15 PVP is dead bro it's literally over" get over yourself m8

fair competitive environment won't exist when there are profits to be made. Games mostly exist to create profit, not to create the most fair or balanced environment possible. Its just to keep the wheel going, people spending, and keeping you engaged to spend money.

Everything you said is so true. The new players won’t get it, all the veterans are leaving because of it and PA will never admit it

The openworld pvp is why my friends and me started to play this game 3y ago, coming from eso and 5y of everyday cyrodiil, the idea of pvp everywhere was just so fucking good so we started the game, wont ever forget those fights at miru spawn, now games dead, no one in rbf no wars, siege almost dead too and soon node wars will be gone, and of course being 1 console peasant no solare no guild league, feels good to grind thousands of hours to get fucked near the end

RP WALK MIDDLE OF THE ROAD PVP ARSHA BTW

@HawkeBlackwell

8 күн бұрын

No reason to be on guard. All the pvpers quit. Lmfao.

Your video was the best video of all of those that I watched on this subject, good job.

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

🖤

people insta v'ing to run and swap off arsha the second they see another person feels soo bad

so sad BDO deserves better than this, things just goin more bad. Every region is same i guess im playing in MENA there is no player to PvP or sell items!! PEN TURO is 50b PEN NECKLACES 30B market is dead af everything on min price unplayable

@Meshmagil

10 күн бұрын

The J's hammers in NA aren't even gonna sell by the time they get deleted.

very well put imo. old timer pvper here as well and its discouraging to see it

You go to Arsha, to kill pvers to then complain that you killed them on a pvp server. You go to pve server to kill people, they tell you to go arsha and grief there lol. You gotta ask a gm for a date and time to bend them over if they even accept the dec. They never continued to develop a way for pvp to make PA money. Ai circles and shallow mini games disguised as content. That's all this game is anymore. Best graphics and combat in any MMOrpg, proceeds to be FarmVille simulator. Only reason this game didn't get knocked down is because it had nothing competing with its niche for 10 years. Lack of competition breeds lack of innovation. It has plagued the gaming industry for over a decade now.

8:34 "I want something that i can use my progression for" BOOM! That's the answer to the 1 million dollar question. Are you telling me that the reason the 100% of the community grinds for... is to grind the next zone? Or grind the same circle you grinded for 300 previous hours faster now? Man, Arsha is dead, guild decs are dead, AoS is capped, guild league is up to 10 players only, forget about flagging up, NW makes all of us want to puke, there are no dungeons or raids, no fun group grinding zones, no competitive PvE, THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPETE FOR OR CONQUER AS A PLAYER! **WHERE DO WE USE OUR GEAR OR WHAT DO WE USE IT FOR?** Great video man.

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

sounds like a skill issue if you can't get into a guild that does uncapped content and can't find fights on arsha

@Scaryflocka

8 күн бұрын

@@doom8274 Brother, you need to learn to read before jumping into conclussions; i didn't say that I cannot join a guild that does uncapped gear and didn't say that I cannot find any fights on Arsha, simply that PvP gets shreded over and over and we are losing ways to PvP. Most of us would rather declare than doing guild league, most of us would fight on Arsha rather than playing AoS, and NW is shit, so yeah

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

@@Scaryflocka no, you're saying "what's the point of grinding gear?" and when I say "go do uncapped, that's why" you turn around and say "but but but but but". Just stop it. Stop lying to yourself. You're complaining for nothing, about nothing. You grind gear to grind better. You grind better to get stronger. You get stronger to fight stronger enemies. It's not complicated. If this isn't happening for you, it's a YOU issue.

@Scaryflocka

8 күн бұрын

@@doom8274 Do uncapped of what? Arsha is much less populated than it was in 2019-2020 and so on, node wars got tuvalaGS/685GS AND uncapped, AoS is capped, guild league is instanced 10v10 on a small map(only 10 members in the guild can participate). If for you, endgame is about being able to grind faster, you hit the jackpot with BDO, but for many other players PvP sucks more than ever, and PvE is the same shit with a different ass every time; so again, what do we use our gear for once we reach endgame? Besides rotating sycraia on 320 AP faster?

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

@@Scaryflocka so you admit pvp exists, you're just crying over nothing because YOU feel like a 10 year old MMO doesn't have enough activity. Which is just you lying to yourself, because you probably just jump gearlets at gyfin, instead of going to where the actual pvp is. same reason you're crying about a lack of gvgs and decs. join a real pvp guild if you want pvp, and stop crying because you can't dec lifeskill guilds. Every single post you've made is just cope, straight up.

So... did they kick the trashcan or not? Was kinda unclear... like the kitchen

😂 a lot of us completely agree. Throne and liberty and that blade and soul revamp release may be the next migration

Game is cooked

The classes being op on release is the same for any game.

Truth is we enjoyed forcing people to pvp. It felt like """violence"""", it felt like creating actual chaos. And thats ok: it's just a videogame. I dont understand why they had to make it "safe". Theres towns and marni for that..

Everyone should understand, if there no class/character balance in game then it uses "forced meta" so they can change meta and force to reroll and spend you money to play as another class

ah yes, they keep cleaning the trash

I havent logged into BDO in 3 months. I started at NA launch. I dont think im ever coming back.

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

Best of luck dude

@justanotheropossumchannel5304

9 күн бұрын

@Meshmagil ty, bdo was my home for so long. The new enhancing along with the pvp changes just ended it for me.

Speak to ANY ex rad player who didnt harass and abuse people, were just indiscriminate and didnt camp people. I can guarantee they all will say they had positive experiences with their targets 90% of the time. It was very rare for someone to get mad at me when doing killing random players n moving on. Even when I lost people had a laugh. That was my highlight of BDO. Its now gone :/ That was my ONLY source of player interaction and now that its far too punishing I speak to no one. Interact with no one. Its a single player game 100% of the time for me now.

real

T_T i miss old bdo

Problem is the player base also ruined OpenWorld pvp things got more weird and toxic such as DOXXING and other stuff I know you seen all the drama videos' the line in the sand was the massive harassment that happened in KR after Lost Ark fumbled the bag. We had something good and we fucked it up and then Pearl Abyss panic and went the lazy way out

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

I think someone who is gonna dox is gonna dox regardless of circumstance. You can't blame the entire player base for a select few.

Rip openworld pvp 😢 true bro

100% true ;( open world was great. yes at times it was "toxic" but thats what made it so fun/ emotional investment into the PvP and your guild made it so you wanted to get better, you wanted to get more gear, you had loyalty to your guild and wanted it to get stronger. now its all just so meaningless

Bluesquadron is def one to blame for crying about open world PvP and killing it as well

@BeeBeeBeeLol

9 күн бұрын

waaaaah😩

@haspero9607

9 күн бұрын

That dude is cringe af

You never realize just how many people in an MMO really never were PvPers to begin with, until given the choice to not PvP. In 6000 hours, I ran into maybe one person who took the L with grace when they decided to invade. When I was new, I'd get up and flag up because I was desperate to get to PvP at all, and outside of people just wanting your spot, no one wanted to actually brawl outside of Battle Arena. All pearlabyss has done is give PvP-hating, antisocial, anxiety-prone players a safe space so they don't wind up karma-bombing you when they are politely but firmly nudged out of your grind circle. You know, the people everyone hates to play with, now you don't have to play with them. I wouldn't call segregating paper targets from actual people the death of pvp. And honestly, it's nice that you don't have to turn World chat on anymore for the inevitable shitstorm that happens when you decide to pop someone mad-dashing ahead trying to steal your rotation. Like honestly they've not robbed us of pvp, they robbed us of the ability to ask ourselves if we wanna potentially ruin some crypissbaby's day by booping them for not establishing a rotation. You're not creating a rival or making a friend or anything, that guy probably is just gunna quit in a month anyway for some other reason. It's like killing a mob except it costs PearlAbitch money when you do it. When they did similiar to WoW it was disheartening... until you realize that PvP only came in two forms in WoW: Someone refuses to fight back because it's 1v1 , or they have friends so they're brave. If you're not an asshole in BDO, pvp has always been rare on main servers, relatively. I'm struggling to understand why this patch created so much hard feelings for people. The players are the exact same as the players in 2019.

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

Technically, griefing is buffed. How do I nudge them out with the karma changes when I can't declare war? After I kill them out of my spot, I'll probably get banned for disrupting gameplay. But aside from that, it's time to stop pretending like the only two people who exist in the open world are Danny Debo and Tuvaula Timmy. Plenty of people enjoyed brawling. I made some of my closest friends and a rival from originally hostile open world interactions.

@doom8274

9 күн бұрын

@@Meshmagil griefing is not buffed and I'm tired of reading this cope. Even before karma changes, if I want to grief you until you leave? I just take off my crystals and grind over you. You feed me? don't care, not wearing crystals. You're only wasting your own time. The ONLY thing they've changed is made it harder to be a real griefer and feed people to mobs to break their crystals, that's it. And stop it with saying debo danny vs tuvala timmy, it's tet debo danny vs pen debo danny, and the difference between 740 and 760 is so immense you may as well not even try, especially against a woosa, or drak. all the changes have done is make it better, so your odds of dying in 1 single combo are much much lower, letting you actually fight. you and people like you are just coping. in the last year, they've added Gleague, perma AoS, war of the roses(until people cried so hard they removed it), reworked node war so smaller guilds have a fighting chance at rewards, made those node war rewards actually worth warring, and reworked class balance twice. you and people like you are just burnt out and over it, that's your problem. arsha is still just as alive, literally this week I saw 3 entire alliances fighting at turos. stop the cap

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

@doom8274 It's harder to grind karma back and an extra inconvenience to me now. Plus, I can't dec you, which i also want to do to try to start content. So yes, griefer W. Why are you listing war of the roses at all? (If you're gonna go like this to say it was removed). Pracitce AoS perma was a good change, but there should have been new seasons by now. Why can't I queue practice and ranked at the same time also. G league is fine, but for a small group of friends, it's not as accessible as open world content. I'm not a Node War guy, but all anyone I've seen doing is thinking it's stupid now. The video is about the death of the open world pvp culture. I don't care about the game modes. It was about the social experience for me. I'm tired of looking around on arsha. Sorry I wasn't at turos that one time that one night bro for that one gvg.

@doom8274

9 күн бұрын

@@Meshmagil no, not griefer W. Before dec changes, I could just dec you, and guess what, I'm in a top 3 alliance, you're losing. This is my spot now. And if you annoyed me enough? I'm getting my friends, and we're going to black robe you, and we're going to stalk you across every channel, every zone, until you log off. And when you log back on? We'll do it again. How do I know this? Because I did it. You cry about karma. There are more than enough channels, you will never have to flag to defend, and even if you did before, it didn't mean anything, like I said, I take off my crystals and grind over you until you leave. There is literally ZERO way that you can actually convince me any of this has been any better for griefers, it's objectively wrong. I'm listing War because it was content they added, they've been adding content literally almost every month or two for the past year, but doomers like you just blow it off because it doesn't suit YOUR vision of what's fun. You complain about no new AoS season, there is LITERALLY ONE IN TWO WEEKS. You say this is about the death of the open world, but you complain about all these other issues as well, and you are dead WRONG, like not opinion wrong, objectively wrong, on all of them. The game is NOT perfect, they could fix a LOT of stuff, but this whole video is just a joke. You're just parroting reddit/streamer opinions without any thoughts of your own, or any ability to look at what you're saying critically.

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

@doom8274 Nah, I can't dec you and so I have to get griefed or leave. There are more than enough channels is right. That's why there's no interaction. Some of these situations created content. That's gone now. You can't even accept a dec unless both gms are online. That's what the video is about. You're only mad because you're angry.

PA should make Lacari a GM, good times would come back

class balance is also a joke considering CCs are RNG. how can you be competitive with RNG in every element of the game? this game is basically a gacha disguised as an MMO

@Meshmagil

10 күн бұрын

It's totally a gacha. Resist should be a PvE stat only.

@kouznetsova

9 күн бұрын

We love pvp but its not like we dont know it has many flaws xD dont worry we feel that too

This may have hit harder if there wasn't an archer in the video. ;P

@Meshmagil

10 күн бұрын

We hit hard, wym?

@YourKrazyKing

10 күн бұрын

@@Meshmagil was mostly joking. But was a power creep class when dropped into the game, and cancer for pvp class.

Word.

10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% True

This is the truth for real. Lack of content. Lack of updates. Lack of pvp. No raids or dungeons (araxxor w.e tf its called is a joke). No reason to gear up to begin with. Over monetized p2w (uncapped p2w) too high of a grindwall to even get friends invested. Games a dumpster fire.

The pvp system was inferior to Lineage 2 from the start. The "culture" was camo wielding p2w rmt and botter cunts who would pearl up 50 times in a row. At least the uniform was nerfed. But yeah, the modern audience raised by anime who lose 50% hp irl when dying ingame makes it even worse. IMO the consequences of pvp death should be harsher, at least gradually increasing respawn time and distance, 1h cooldown on pearl up and no karma penalty if you're killed again.

My brother cooked

Just go red

The game got no PvE content anyway. The group content was open world pvp. My best experiences are from getting farmed at Pirates haha then getting your guild up and having a full blown GvG for 3 hours Since PvP is removing everything that makes fun there is no reason to play it. Imagine grinding 600 hours only so you can grind faster…… the PvE community absolutely destroyed the game. Now we’re having a game with no PvP and no PvE

You gotta gear up, but you are being prevented from gearing up by overgeared players... This is the problem with BDO, the gap between newbie and veterans are just waaaaay too big

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

You are not being prevented. You have utterly everything you need to avoid other players entirely. It's also the easiest it's ever been to gear up as a new player.

this is the most bad update in my opinion. pvp is stalemate. dr vs eva= no one dies. eva vs full ap.= full ap dies. eva vs eva =no one dies. eva vs accu= accu dies.. in short full eva and full accu is the way. no more full ap. accu. if u build this full accu ap. cant 1 combo eva or dr build. while eva and dr can 1 combo ap accu player.. STATEMATE. SO everyone is going full eva or dr ..now. so pvp no ones dies.

Very well said bro. I came back on jan 1 and only had full tuvala because i pen roulette when i quit before. I been grinding hard to get my gs to 700+ just to show those madafakas who bullied me when i came back. that motivation to not feel like a noob, that is what i play for. I hope they dont keep fucking shit up or else id regret coming back.

I was expecting an actual adult to br providing some real feedback and insteal i got some 12 year old..

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

be*, instead*

1st statement is bad. I don't need to beat that guy cause no one care about beating anybody... U want PvP that's your poison i can't afford to grab PvP gear. Agree mostly with everything else...

@AntaresBDO

9 күн бұрын

Simple solution: Make half of the servers PvE only with noticeably reduced drop rates and half of them PvP free like Arsha with significant bonuses. That way both PvEers have their chill grind and PvPers can enjoy the open world interactions.

@GidekPL

9 күн бұрын

@@AntaresBDO That sound great but if that would happen ever?

@AntaresBDO

9 күн бұрын

@@GidekPL I wish! PA simply refuses to please both sides

Nodewar is in a way better spot , yes it has some issues but it is in a way better spot, it's not PA fault that people like ChampionJason prefer to afk instead of just going on a killing spree I do agree that some changes they did to open world PvP sucks But unfortunately for everyone BDO is trying to please their Lost Ark andies that refuged to this game

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

The painting is hilarious though

@Seroskill36

9 күн бұрын

The new node system is absolutely garbage. PA will just force feed it and push the reward till everyone shuts up.

@Scaryflocka

8 күн бұрын

Which node wars? These that we got now where 50% to 70% of the guilds who join are PvE players who just play for the 5-10% loot drop rate rewards? We can't build anymore, politics are kinda useless now, capturing the tower is pure RNG since it depends on who does the last hit, so on and on. Really fun, indeed.

they could just expand RBF, and make the rewards better Imagine RBF capture the flag, like World of Warcraft battlegrounds. Perhaps even with flame towers and stuff Imagine Solare Uncapped Queue, so we can use our gear doesnt take much to make PvP fun, just a simple gamemode, and some decent rewards. The game is fine

I agree with your going forward, and I don't want to take away from your interactions but from someone that actually played day 1 (took a long break), it was never about the PvP. What happened was that at some point those were the only people who remained in the game. Cause they abandoned the other systems just to appeal to the gear hungered PvP. They weren't making real content. I think the OW PvP was always shit, and like you said balance has always been shit, way before you were even playing. There WAS still skill involved and it was fun for those who liked PvP, not fun for those who didn't. They were honestly abandoned, just look at all the shitty systems they've added throughout the years. Look at the areas until Valencia, there's quests everywhere, people who had really nothing to say are voiced, they got quests, they got stories. Lots of effort went into LoML and I was impressed. That being said, I do think they need to make something to appeal who are interested in open world interactions. But they killed it themselves, by making grinding way too profitable over anything else. I think the PvP is actually what killed the game over time, or trying to balance the PvP rather. But people wouldn't stop complaining, now everyone complains about gear being capped. They either need to commit or just bring back the full on sandbox. We'll see what they do after LoML2, cause I doubt they're doing anything big until after that.

People bitching about open world PVP being dead & that PA destroyed it is hilarioius. There are Arsha servers that are ghost towns in terms of PVP. That's evidence enough that Open world PVPrs are in the minority and the majority don't want it.

@Meshmagil

9 күн бұрын

There used to be GvGs on normal servers all the time. Definitely the minority now because a lot of us left due to the multiple changes I talked about.

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

FACT. even pvp players don't enjoy some incel running up in their grind and wasting their hour. these people pretending they enjoy that are lying to themselves and the community because exactly what you said, if players really liked open world pvp, arsha would be a boomtown, but it's not.

@Meshmagil

8 күн бұрын

@doom8274 I specifically talked about how the player base isn't about it anymore, and it's not just PA. The culture is dead. You said yesterday that arsha was alive, crazy switch up.

@doom8274

7 күн бұрын

@@Meshmagil I said arsha was alive in places actually want to pvp, aka, any high end spot. OH NOOOOOO you can't just kill gearlets at mirumok on cooldown anymore, pvp is over oh nooooooooooo. stop deliberately misconstruing my points to suit your own narrative, it's facetious and you know you're just lying to yourself.

@Meshmagil

7 күн бұрын

@doom8274 Look at you try to weasel.

Archer take