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@bi-product

3 жыл бұрын

Eye emoji

@HunterX05

3 жыл бұрын

@@bi-product 👁

@craftonblair7052

3 жыл бұрын

Do u think these stories still happen in the DCAU continuity just offscreen or well off panel?

@ashtonsheppard3128

Жыл бұрын

Nooiiccee

@jacearmor5274

6 ай бұрын

😊😊

I think I just understood something about Batman I didn't get before. When Batman says he's "busy" when you're asking for his help with a massive issue that seems way more important than whatever serial killer he's dealing with this week, it's because he has complete faith you're going to deal with that without him while he's where he's needed most, even if you aren't that confident in yourself. Batman's massive confidence extends to anyone he respects as an equal or at least respectable colleague, so long as they're staying in their lane.

@raymondfisheriii791

Жыл бұрын

In other words, Batman saying “he’s busy” is less him saying “do it yourself”, and more him saying “bro, you’ve got this” unless he was outright saying “no, do that on your own. I don’t agree with it”

@YQxTHExGREAT

7 ай бұрын

I mean that’s pretty fire and would add so much more to his character, but I think you thinkin to deep into it bro 😂😂😂 Still fire theory tho

...So we're all in agreement that Nightwing's still leading the Outsiders offscreen in the DCAU even if it didn't make it into print, right? Like, it makes total sense for the character and there's nothing to contradict it so why *not* make it canon?

@maxalaintwo3578

3 жыл бұрын

Sure

@altoidconor2928

3 жыл бұрын

Works for me!

@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667

Жыл бұрын

Definitely works. I mean with the inclusion of ARGUS, the others green lanterns and more to the DCAU in JL vs Fatal Five. I think that the expansion of the universe makes total sense. In fact besides the titans I believe that sorf of birds of pray, Gotham city sirens, justice league dark, justice league of America exist in this universe. Just that like the titans we never see them.

"Bruce in a relationship with Babs." No. "But, the develop-!" I said no. That "relationship" needs to get nuked to hell and stay there.

@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets

3 жыл бұрын

In the immortal words of Tarkin: "You may fire when ready."

@cartoonishidealism582

3 жыл бұрын

No idea why this relationship keeps coming up in stuff. It’s never NOT weird.

@ericnids1710

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you came here to say that.

@ryanleite8497

3 жыл бұрын

Coward

@emeraldcoastarcher

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! This stuff is just wrong on too damn many levels.

The Phantasm and Blight are some of the coolest DCAU characters design-wise

@kerfuffled7066

3 жыл бұрын

Fax

@aurahoneydew9607

3 жыл бұрын

I challenge! that with the Wonder Woman design it's everything wonder woman should be with flinching it wears costumes look the the stars spangled bikini with pride and who could forget Superman's Beyond look

@awhochen1563

3 жыл бұрын

@@aurahoneydew9607 Objective word being SOME.

@awhochen1563

3 жыл бұрын

They have some *great* names as well.

@aurahoneydew9607

3 жыл бұрын

@@awhochen1563 oh my challenge was that those were the coolest designs not that they weren't. In hindsight should have been more clear on the matter

I always liked the idea that Lois was Bruce's best friend. They only saw each other occasionally for a few minutes at a time. But she knew who he was, who he really was and treated him like one of the army guys she grew up around. But she wasn't romantically interested in him, because she would never be as important as his crusade.

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah because that was pretty forced

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I would like that. Lois was a very enjoyable character in the DCAU but I feel like they didn't utilize Lois's presence as well as I'd have liked. She fell by the wayside after STAS and I was kind of dying to know if or when Lois would have ended up with Clark.

@Champsr0ck2247

Жыл бұрын

This would have been a fun dynamic if anything. Maybe not best of friends but definitely a confidant.

@LakinMae5

7 ай бұрын

They both have to deal with Clark’s/Superman’s shit on an occasion so they understand keeping their favorite Boy Scout in check.

Red Hood wasn’t Hush lol? Maybe...the friends we made along the way was the real Hush lol?

@tracebaker

3 жыл бұрын

I guess we'll never know who the real Hush is... lol

@walkerspectre

3 жыл бұрын

"lol"

@jonathanwarrdddedcxddeecec4787

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t hush just some dude who turned out not to be super important ?

“He had every opportunity to fix the framing” IM SCREAMINGGGG LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

The DC strict character embargo's did so much damage to the creativity across multiple shows. I remember watching the shows and reading the tie-in comics when it was going on and it was a mess; and it's STILL complicated to explain to my buddy who was unaware of it because he'd ask, "Yeah, but why would they do that? It's still WB and DC. THEY OWN THE CHARACTERS!!!" and all I can say is, "I KNOW, but I guess they think the audience is too dumb to see more than one superhero show, both with Batman, and yet the villains are off limits." I still think the embargo complicated things for the worse. Teen Titans couldn't use Wonder Girl, JLU couldn't use Bat-villains, The Batman for a while wasn't allowed to use Robin (due to Teen Titans) and instead introduced Batgirl first (not a bad move, but I remember it making people scratch their heads), and IIRC Aquaman villains weren't able to be used in JLU because the failed Aquaman (Smallville spinoff) pilot that the WB network wanted to do.

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Not Aquaman himself after a while!

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower It's so weird that they used to think that. Funny enough, currently embargos seem to be a thing of the past. It still makes me laugh how the HBO Max Harley Quinn's not exactly kid friendly, while DC Superhero Girls' Harley is kid-friendly and childlike. I wouldn't want either show to remove Harley, but it seems like a bigger dissonance for kids who get into the DC Superhero Girls cartoons, think of Harley as their favorite character, and assume her personality would be similar in a cartoon show that's all about her.

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

@Will N I actually agree with you about the Bat-villains. I feel like one minor complaint I have about the DCAU is that Batman often has the spotlight in JL/JLU because the creative team just thought he was more cool than the other characters. I like Batman too, but you're right if his villains showed up it would have definitely overshadowed the badguys in the last season. I do feel like the biggest loss was not getting to see the birds of prey as it was conceptualized and maybe Robin, Batgirl, and Nightwing showing up just to be part of the league.

@thebunkerparodie6368

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nightman221k also was shown to be a sympathetic villain in batman TAS with her being able to reform in harley holiday (and didn't seem to want to go back to crime in lock up) ,but then for some reason the writter decided to tie her to a statu quo with either being with ivy or joker after batman TAS and they stopped making harley willing to reform when to me a reform DCAU harley could have been interesting to see (+I feel like making harley go worst without explaining the how and why is somewhat lazy character development and they never explained why did harley go back to crime with ivy in holiday knight). Also I don't think it's a problem to ahve multiple interpretaiton of a character (although I must say that I like harley more when she's a sympathetic villain than a as bad as joker villain)

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebunkerparodie6368 Me too, 100%. I like the BTAS Harley but Timm and Dini kind of ruined any of her early appearances for me when they had her help the Joker break Robin's mind. It makes her heartfelt, "Nice guy's like you shouldn't have bad days," look pretty damn pointless when she would later destroy all that Batman held dear when mindbreaking Tim destroyed what was left of his family and support system and scarred his son mentally for years. He gave her compassion and she helped Joker ruined his life and we get nothing to imply she gave it a second thought. Personally, I think Harley of BTAS becoming an ally to Batman would have been a perfect full circle for her character, since having her be a domestic abuse victim should be a *cautionary tale*; rather than just her default status quo which is how she was made to be in BTAS/TNBA. When you look at Mad Love's ending and how it romanticizes Harley's mental condition at the last minute with her instantly forgiving the Joker like it's just status quo for her and she likes it, is probably why edgy teens idealize the Harley/Joker "romance." I for one love that modern Harley has become independent and has grown. I'd prefer her to be an anti-hero like Catwoman more than a full on villain TBH though.

This Victoria Beaumont arc would have been insane.

Nightwing and The Outsiders, that would've been good in this series.

The Bat Embargo’s reasoning was dumb enough when concerning TV and animation... it gets dumber when concerning comic tie ins. They sure weren’t planning to cancel the main Batman comics due to the possibility of readers getting confused that there were multiple Batman comics on the shelves...

@theleonpasta7336

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention around the same time they made The Batman, which in its final seasons even has its own Justice League! How would that not be confusing to kids watching TV back then?

I know that Dan Slott said that Red Hood would be Andrea's mother... but I still feel like thematically it would be so much more exciting were it Andrea's father since he was shown to be murdered in Phantasm... BUT we never actually see the body just Andrea's horrified scream and she recounts the information that he was killed. If he were left nearly dead or brain-damaged and Andrea forged an alliance with Ra's to use a Lazarus pit to revive him I feel like it would make more sense than having Andi's mother whose grave she was talking to earnestly (I feel like her doing it and genuinely forming the bond with Bruce was thematically important). His death being confirmed only by Andi, who was covering it up pretending he was alive, makes him faking his death or never having died seem like a twist that would have felt in line with the Phantasm movie.

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

This is pretty weird

Wow, Batman was REALLY busy

@maxalaintwo3578

3 жыл бұрын

No wonder Batman was so dismissive and would only say "he's busy" to Hawkgirl. His whole life was changing forever

3:16 I like how awkwardly the zeta project is shoved into the shot

Ah the Bat-embargo the root of evil! Seriously what kind of thinking was that they run books like Superman and Action comics and Batman and Detective Comics and suddenly it's like plurars oh no people can't handle that

There were also theories that Red Hood may also either Phantasm s father Carl Beaumont that either survived somehow his murder of hands of Joker or somehow be also resurrected and just like his wife and daughter seek revenge for Joker and Valestra Mob for trying to assassinate him or indeed Blight s father Warren Powers .

@Gokitalo

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! Carl Beaumont somehow surviving and becoming the Red Hood had always been my guess. Love Slott's real reveal for it, though

Phantasm and Blight, 2 potential siblings that both had a hand creating Batman Beyond.

8:56 This is by far the best look for Matches Malone I've ever seen. I mean LOOK AT THAT JAMES LIKE MUSTACHE

And two explanations of Scarecrow s new look is not only terryfing but also really creepy , scary and dark just like that other one in Legacies comics .

My depression really hurt today, watching your video made me feel better faster: so my point that I am tying to convey is keep up the great work! : )

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

You got this, Andrew!

@andrewcai5042

3 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower I found that I am fond of nearly every Green Lantern, they can hang on no matter what and withstand breaking points. The fact is I don't have influential control of external pressures while family/others need me to take on their burdens adding to my own. My problems meant I could barely function day to day, until I successfully solve theirs I feel like I'm constantly drowning. Already exhausted all cooperative means, now must somehow contend with extensive red tape and well meaning defeatism. To my detriment I cannot put myself over others nor ignore their cries for assistance.

I gotta correct you on something at 8m12s, though, Mattie-- the writer of Batman Adventures #17 was not Dan Slott, but Ty "The Guy" Templeton himself. I always thought it was fitting Ty close out that volume (and era) of the Batman Adventures, given how synonymous he'd become with the various incarnations of the series. Regardless, though, great vid! Comic Book Legends Revealed had divulged the Red Hood’s identity back in the day, but I always avoided reading it, just in case Ty and Dan ever got the chance to finish the story somehow. Seeing the WDb finally cover the topic made me realize it was time to peek, and it did not disappoint! Loved the info for all the other arcs/stories, too; I was a big fan of this series and it did me good to finally see what could have been. So many, many thanks!

This definitely would have been a masterpiece

The lengths that y’all go to to make sure videos are contextually open enough that someone who’s never seen your content or even the DCAU can understand it all, /AND/ not have it be redundant while providing said context, is genuinely impressive and forever appreciated. You’re all extremely good at pacing your videos, like I normally never even touch stuff past 30 minutes on other channels, but the focus and the editing is just... *chefs kiss* MWAH

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! We try!

Warner Bros should definitely bring back the DCAU with new movies and season of Batman Beyond

@wisconsinking323

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Static Shock.

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

We’ve gotten “Batman and Harley Quinn” and “Justice League vs the Fatal Five” so far at least!

@gerardorodriguez7500

3 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower yes but more

@aurahoneydew9607

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't trust them with it now might push for superhero Harley and remove the classic designs to make them look like the movies.

@gerardorodriguez7500

3 жыл бұрын

@@aurahoneydew9607 I just want the DCAU with Static Shock, Batman Beyond and For Green Lantern to have his own show

We could've gotten Nightwing leading the Outsiders? That would've been cool to explore. I know the obvious is to think about Young Justice (even though he never led any actual Outsiders team there), but I also thought about how Beware the Batman assembled its actual Outsiders team before the series got cancelled.

The red hood mystery from BA Vol.2 is like the red X mystery from teen titans animated series

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

And Slade

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

The difference being: we know the answer

@marcusjavier8901

3 жыл бұрын

While i found out about it literally just now

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcusjavier8901 where?

@marcusjavier8901

3 жыл бұрын

@@srstriker6420 in this video

I've had a small volume of issues 1-4 of Batman Adventures since it came out, and I always reread it whenever y'all talk about it, and I adore it everytime! Always feel like I learn more every time there's an upload!

Phantasm and blight being related is a crazy thought but would be a great one

I like to think that Catwoman unmasked Batman in that panel. It just seems like something the DCAU version of this character would do tbh

What if, Sealboy never spoke to killer croc? I think that's dark multiverse worthy

Mattie looking like a gaelic warrior with the longer hair 👍

Amazing video!! Didnt know any of that, and may track down those issues. Also, thank u Mattie for the mid-vid lesson. I needed to hear it & I bet others did too.

@alterclark1

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 u 2 Mattie 😊🍻

6:15 And conventional Wisdom was of course completely wrong.

The comic was excellent and I believe that it should have not been cancelled. I couldn't believe some of the risks that the creators were taking in this one, and can only imagine what the status quo in the DCAU would have looked like if they were allowed to follow through with their vision. Nevertheless, excellent video as always.

@hezekiahramirez6965

11 ай бұрын

I completely agree. It's one of my favorite comics. Not just DCAU. It was so frustrating that it got canceled. That's why I kept trying to get the answers (That was me, BTW. I was the commenter Dan Slott replied to)

Wait, what if Mattie is Hush lol?

I was a big fan of the shows but never read the comics as a kid your channel has exposed me to a ton of awesome storylines expanding the universe and characters I love so much. Keep up the great work guys!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh MY GOD WHAT THEY ARE STEP SIBLINGS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IS THIS CANNON THOUGH

@gregfoster3757

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 ok

Was that a hbomberguy reference?

@NileFive

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 nice,

Wasn’t expecting Vee Infuso in here, pleasantly surprised. Love his vids

Great video, I remember one of the covers of the book series was hanged on my wall when I was younger, because it was a cool cover. 6:39 had go back and look for it

It sucks that this series never got a reprint.

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

TELL ME ABOUT IT

@michaelandreipalon359

Жыл бұрын

Hope it does get a miraculous return after The Adventures Continue is fully wrapped up.

Man, the voice work in this vid is superb! Lol an honor as always appearing in the great Watchtower! Thanks for thinking of us 🦇🔴

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the help, man! Gonna have you on again before the people know what hit ‘em.

That World's Finest arc sounded like so much fun. A shame we never got to see it

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if that would include you know who?

@maxalaintwo3578

3 жыл бұрын

@@srstriker6420 Aw cmon dude not this again. Even if it did include her it'd be post-JL anyway

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxalaintwo3578 but how would it be

@maxalaintwo3578

3 жыл бұрын

@@srstriker6420 Batman Adventures Vol. 2 is during Justice League. We wouldn't learn about the Bat and the Hawk's first meeting unless it were a flashback

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxalaintwo3578 oh right, well I would made it like the episode Speed Demon where it’s just filler.

I dont know who edited this video but I just want to say, good job. I enjoyed watching this

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

You may enjoy all our other videos too!

My new years resolution is to know every clone trooper's name. Idk what im doing in my life.

Thanks for having me on :D

Woah I never new this I'm glad you guys at the WDB can shed some light on this stuff

Ay almost 70k congratulations

I hope that I can one day get the collected versions of this series one day!

Bravo sir. Another solid video.

4:56 BUSY WITH WHAT, BRUCE? F*CKING AQUAMAN? eeeeeyyyyyyyy

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

HE’S not in very many JL episodes either... 🤔🤔🤔

The Fact that Dan Slott tried to shake up the greatest cartoon universe ever before he shook up Spider-Man just makes me love him even more!

You're right 2023 could be my year, thank you matty 😤

Mattie, thanks for saying "Ra's" correctly 😊 2021 turning out to be a good year so far

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Father’s name was pronounced “Raysh,” not “Raz.” A common mistake.

What's up with the Beaumonts having male shaped bodies when in costume?

Your next Vanishing Point videos could be this time about timelines of Clayface , Bane , Poison Ivy and Killer Croc or about ones titled "Does Lucy Quinzel Daughter of Joker and Harley Quinn , Damian Wayne Son of Batman and Talia Al Ghul and Helena Wayne Daughter of Batman and Catwoman exist in DCAU" just like your other Vanishing Point video titled "Does Jason Todd exist in DCAU" !!!!!

Got a question for a possible upcoming video: Is the DC Showcase Phantom Stranger feature part of the DCAU? He never had an appearance in the JL show or any of the other DCAU shows I believe. Only a few comics. The feature is directed by Bruce Timm, and I thought you guys would have the answer or could at least make an awesome speculation about it

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

It’s possible, but there’s not really anything to go off of other than “Bruce Timm made this and it’s in his art style.” They reuse the character design of a Wiccan woman who appeared in “Superman: The Animated Series,” so that timeline definitely doesn’t line up (unless she truly is supernatural-but I think she dies in the short?). I would love for it to be canon, but it’s pretty much impossible to know. I’m sure we’ll still do a video on it at some point.

What happened to Scarecrow is really terrifying

You can always look forward to a Watchtower Database video essay

I always wonder if there was no Bat-Embargo because it would have been interesting the Bat-villains were in the Justice league aside from Joker and Clayface.

@maskdude6914

Жыл бұрын

I mean at least obscure batman characters like copperhead, KGBeast, Blockbuster, Deadshot, and Solomon Grundy appeared in that show

It’s a crime we never got that scarecrow hanging story. It’s so perfectly dark and creepy and perfectly fits his second character design and character

The Batman X Barbara Gordon story was always weird as fuck and creepy to me. He's known her since she was a child, and is friends with her father. She was also the girlfriend of his adopted son for fucks sake. Plus, I mean how many years older than her is he? The relationship feel very wrong, disgusting, in poor taste, and borderline pedophilic. It's the main reason I could never fully like Batman Beyond or The Return of the Joker movie.

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

I’d recommend our Batman/Batgirl episode of our “Vanishing Point” show!

@emeraldcoastarcher

3 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower I will give it a watch.

Well why cant the extra volume 2 comics still happen today? Why can't this Victoria Beaumont story still be told in some degree...? I'd love to still happen even if the original story gets changed.

I feel that having phantasm and blight be related wouldn't mean as much as it sounds like it would

@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets

3 жыл бұрын

I think that would be more of a "Heh, small world" kinda thing than anything else.

so where is NIGHTWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zeta

Wait, Dan Slott said that Red Hood was Hush so does that mean that Hush is: Spoilers Thomas Elliot?

Blight was my favorite Batman Beyond villain, along with Inque,Ten,Stalker,The Brain Trust and Payback

Ah, the Vanishing Point ending... how I’ve missed it... good to hear a variation of it at least

1:14 anyone else notice the batman for the stage musical has the same kind of chin that the ArhyBES does for their Batmetal videos? I wonder if ArhyBES got the look idea from that episode or not.

Mattie...how do you know I didn't go back in time and merely suggest this video? kinda like the mouse in the movie Dumbo with the Ringleader 😂

This is my comment to feed the hungry hungry algorithm beast. For he is ravenous

38:22 - 38:34 UGH, I know how you feel my dude. These people over at WB legit think that we’re too stupid or easily confused over the concept of different realities, the multiverse, and that series can have two or multiple versions of said character running concurrently. I vehemently detest the quote unquote “Bat-Embargo”, it’s the reason what’s been holding back certain shows (and comics) from having a certain character or have said character be the central focus of said show. It’s also the reason why we can never have a live action Batman series for that dumb reason alone, and why we have some shows like Batwoman and the other show premiering next year… Gotham Knights that has *ZERO* focus on the titular Caped Crusader. Just give us a great Batman live action series, we’ll not be confused just because you’re doing some new Batman movies.

That videos might like your other Vanishing Point video about titled " Does Jason Todd exists in DCAU ? " . But this time videos or even video titled " Does Damian Wayne / Robin Son of Batman , Helena Wayne / Huntress Daughter of Batman and Catwoman and Lucy Quinzel Daughter of Joker and Harley Quinn exist in DCAU " !!!!

Best part of the video: Mattie's hair.

@Gsmooth84

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Hell Yeah.

Hello there This is the coment that is for feeding to this Bulldog monster that is the KZread algorithm also the biorobotTigger that attack batman and the starro that attack superman. And.... The superdog that appear in the episode of the ultiman

Didn't "The Batman" have a future episode, about Dr. Freeze returning and killing people? I'll need to rewatch it but I almost feel like that episode is the continued ending of the canceled 2 parter.

@michaelandreipalon359

Жыл бұрын

Ah, Season 4, Episode 7 - "Artifacts", set a thousand years after the present day of the show. One of my favorite eps of that show, I'll add, and a nice love letter to The Dark Knight Returns to boot.

12:25 So, is this where the idea for the Outsiders team as used in Young Justice season 3 originated from? If so, that's cool because I have wondered about that for years.

Thanks for this video! Your discussion of Mr. Freeze in this video prompted me to think about some creative decisions that were made in the DCAU and its tie-in materials and my thoughts on them which will probably be unpopular opinions. A lot of people don't seem to like the direction Mr. Freeze went past BTAS. However to me, it was the Sub-Zero movie that soured me on the character due to that movie's mishandling of him. Sub-Zero feels like a mediocre episode of BTAS that got stretched to animated movie length. For a movie dedicated about Mr. Freeze and his devotion to his wife, the creative team really missed an opportunity for some flashback sequences between Victor and Nora to help flesh out their relationship. We could have gotten into Freeze's head more and showed just why he was so devoted into saving his wife. I think this should have taken a cue from the BTAS episode "It's Never Too Late" and have the story focus almost exclusively on him. What really hurts the movie Sub-Zero is that unlike Arnold Stromwell from the episode "It's Never Too Late" Mr. Freeze is a static character in this movie. He's never really brought to a place where he has to question his morally reprehensible actions, he kills the entire crew of a submarine for accidentally shattering the capsule his wife was in, and he's always fine with the idea of killing a girl to save his wife. There are really no consequences to his actions save a broken leg and the knowledge that he won't be with his newly revived wife, but it isn't enough for me. Mr. Freeze should have received more comeuppance for his actions in this movie and should have ended up in jail by the end of it. Mr. Freeze's horrific plan still lead to his ultimate goal, and since he doesn't have the knowledge that Bruce Wayne is Batman, he's probably giving himself more credit than he deserves. By the ending of this movie, Mr. Freeze doesn't seem to have a problem with anything he did and feels further justified in his actions because he got what he wanted from it. I know Mr. Freeze is one of Batman's more sympathetic villains, but that sympathy can only go so far. The story even gives the young kid Koonak as a companion for Freeze, but this friendship isn't developed that much which makes it ring hollow to me. The ending of this movie, in and of itself, is a touching and poignant moment, but the lack of overall consequences for Freeze just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Elderly Bruce Wayne's attitude towards Freeze in Batman Beyond is my attitude towards him from this movie onwards in the DCAU. This is actually why I'm not too bothered by what happened to him in TNBA and BTAC. Karma finally came back to bite him worse than ever. Mr. Freeze's condition got even worse reducing him to just a head to save himself and Nora died anyway. I'm not shedding tears since he inflicted or planned and intended to inflict tragedy and pain that was worse than what Nora suffered. Nora at least had a chance to come back, but the people on the submarine don't. I bet their friends and family are devastated as to what happened to them. Heck, that actually sounds like a great idea for an episode. Have someone try to kill Mr. Freeze and seems to have an unusual amount of knowledge about him as well as using similar cold technology to him. When the killer is finally caught, it is revealed to be someone related to one of the people on the submarine he killed. The person could be Dora Smithy who is Nora's sister, and one of the people Freeze killed on the submarine was her husband. This could lead to a moment where Freeze is called out for his actions in the movie. He may have been sympathetic once, but his gruesome acts during it led him to becoming someone like Ferris Boyle, Grant Walker, and Gregory Belson and no longer deserving of nearly the amount of sympathy he once had. Now, I believe it is time to address the big elephant in the room: Nora Fries. I actually agree with Bruce Timm on this one. Nora Fries should be dead. The parallel to Batman is muddled and not as effective if the person affected in Freeze's equivalent to Batman's tragedy is still alive, even if in a frozen state. Sub-Zero would have been a far better movie if we could get into Freeze's head more, not have him commit horrible acts, overlook them, and eventually reward him for it. In an alternate version of Sub-Zero I would have preferred a story that kept these criticisms in mind like the following: Freeze believes he can revive Nora somehow, but he has to do acts that harm innocent people to get it done. During the process, he sees happy couples together which reminds him of his time with Nora. Cue the flashbacks showing Victor and Nora's first meeting, their relationship growing, their marriage, and the tragedy that befalls both Nora and Victor. This causes Freeze to doubt his goals and his conscience to emerge. His conscience comes in the form of Nora before tragedy hit her who urges him to accept that he can't change his tragic life and and accept that she is dead. Freeze knows this is but is in denial. His actions eventually attract the attention of Batman who pleads with him to stop. Freeze continues on until he almost destroys Nora's capsule. After looking at the corpse for some time and realizing that he almost ruined Nora's corpse, Freeze gives up and surrenders, but pleads with Batman to help him give Nora a proper burial. Batman does so and with some convincing to Commissioner Gordon, Freeze is able to attend Nora's funeral but is in restraints and accompanied by a very heavy police presence with Batman there as well. After Freeze's has closure, he's escorted into a police vehicle to be put back into his cell. Batman looks on and hopes that one Victor will be able to move on.

@GamerSlyRatchet1

3 жыл бұрын

See, I would've been fine if all of your points were actually addressed in B:TAC, but unfortunately it's just a cynical ploy to bring Freeze back to status quo, rather than true karma for his actions (that was more of his fate in Beyond) and it keeps Nora as some prop rather than a proper character. It's not like Freeze got a happy ending in Batman Adventures anyway. He's still Powers's property by the end and still denied Nora. Also, Batman kicking around Nora's corpse like he did in that comic has no excuse.

The only thing we need to know now was how that final story would've played out. I think I recall Red Hood was going to "kill" Phantasm in a fight, but she would've faked her death and left town for good (again).

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Any idea where you heard/read that?

@brentandrew2419

3 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower Now that I think about it, I think I asked Slott at a con. It was years ago so I'm not positive, but he for sure said Andrea and Bruce would not end up together and it'd sync up with 'Epilogue.' The scene at the start of #14 was supposed to directly spell it out. You should ask him to confirm the real ending!

30:30 you actually placed ads at this ad break lol

4:57 best part of the video

I love B-TAS I wish they had continued those stories

@ammarokla7217

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah why does every good animated show have to be rebooted to the worse??

hey, can somebody tell me what is the correct reading and watching order of mr. and Nora frieses story from comics and episodes?(chronologicaly).

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Batman Adventurwz is my favorite comog

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Now IIIIII look like the doofus! 😱

@miloscavlin1666

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 thank you!

Awesome video

Word of advice to Ty Templeton, Paul Dini, and the rest of the folks making the tie-in comics: *Pretty please resurrect this entire series after finishing up with The Adventures Continue, motherkriffers!!!*

I'm looking forward to 2021 now. It can't be worse than 2020 right?

Damn... What could have been 😭😭😭😭

4:37 so was Batman supposed to be a mentor for the league especially with that line?

4:50 What was WW's other case, though?

HOLYFUCK Is this the longest vid you guys have done?

@insouciantFox

3 жыл бұрын

It's Over 9000 Productions No. Their Ultimate DCAU timeline is 45 minutes long. Plus they have a few 2+ hour podcast vids.

@ItsOver9000Productions

3 жыл бұрын

@@insouciantFox Besides podcasts i mean. I feel editing these vids with tons of footage would be hardee than a podcast.

@insouciantFox

3 жыл бұрын

@@ItsOver9000Productions I agree which is why I separated them.

Also according to wikipedia Lucius Fox would have also been connected to the redhood storyline. I find that idea interesting because it may have given us more insights into why Dereck Powers eventually fired Fox which led to the creation of Foxteca. I assume that Lucius or his son would become a potential redhood candidate in the eyes of batman which would in turn create a wedge that allowed the powers to corner an isolated bruce wayne who isolated all his allies.

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

According to Wikipedia?

@zacharycherif5525

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 I found the quote wikipedia is referring to. The full fantastic four interview on marvel toonzone is no longer be accessible but i found the quote about lucius and the valestra mob on this page :animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/batman-adventures-dangling-plots.4400671/ And here is the full quote : MAA: So who was the Red Hood in Batman Adventures? The world and Ed really want to know! Slott: I'm still not telling. But I will say this... In upcoming issues we were going to lay the foundation for 3 big secret-filled threads: Lucius Fox's secret history with the Waynes. More secrets about the Vellestra crime family (Who Joker used to work for, back BEFORE he was the Joker. The same crime family that killed Phantasms father. And the same crime family that Eel O'Brian and Matches Malone were going to wind up working for). marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/interviews/slott/06.jpg And a new secretive business mogul was going to come to Gotham City to set up his new headquarters... Preston Powers (who would've JUST become the new father to li'l baby Derek Powers-- who would grow up to become the head of Wayne/Powers in BATMAN BEYOND). Seriously, we were going to have a scene where Mrs. Powers hands baby Derek over to Bruce... and Derek spits up all over him. It would've been priceless. How Lucius, the Vellestra-related characters, and the Powers family would have played out their subplots... all of THAT would have built up to the surprise reveal that the Red Hood was actually... ...someone really cool. ;) Also it is interesting to note that there was some confusion as to the name of derek power's dad. The authors hesitated between Warren and Preston. I think the authorial intention was to have Dereck be a half brother to Andrea as both of them would have been geri power's kid. However I am sure you would find a problem in the timeline if you look closely enough. Derek was originally suppose to be a baby but he clearly is over 50 by the time of batman beyond. Now that I see it again am surprised you did not remember this Dan Slott quote because you guys directly reference it in you legacies comicbook when you have a nervous and sick Derek vomit on Bruce. (BTW are you still working on legacies? There was no upload in 2020 but I know that James had a very busy year with the movie and the upcoming baby and the covid diagnosis.) I think it's important to point out that in scott snyder's run the Powers family is the only family that is confirmed to be part of the court of owls. Its interesting to see that in both timelines the powers used mr Freeze to unlock the secrets of immortality.

YES, i wish the Bruce and Babs thing wasn't cut out, as that sounds like a much more accurate depiction of the relationship from what is described in the actual show, i feel that way the pairing would not get as much hate as it does now thanks to the horrible representation of it in Beyond 2.0 and Killing Joke.

Can you make a video showing how people can get into the DCAU?

38:20 not to mention how the person who caused Terry to go on the path of batman, was always related to the plot to make Terry become Batman originally! (#KeepEpilogueASecret)

I wish I didn’t watch this video, now I really want a continuation of Batman Adventures😤😤 seriously though, is there any way that it could come back and finish what it was going to do?

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Ty Templeton, at the very least, seems to have mostly moved on. With his recent DCAU comics like the “Batman and Harley Quinn” tie-ins and the new “The Adventures Continue,” he’s outright said a few times he feels like those wind up outranking BAv2 in terms of canonicity. So it may not be very important to him to tell the rest of those stories. But I do hope we get SOMETHING someday.

@michaelandreipalon359

Жыл бұрын

Then he's a fool for letting annoying loose ends stay untangled.

Also what about your Legacies comics , Watchtower Database ? When next issue will be finałonc

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Working on several at a time right now, just fell a bit behind because of 2020 reasons, haha. Soon!

I am still really disappointed we got the really over-all underwhelming "Adventure Continues" retcon-palooza thing (Jason Todd in the DCAU, really? Not a great idea, and it wasn't executed well) instead of having Batman Adventures FINALLY getting it's overdue continuation. I legitimately think the continuation run at times handled continuing storylines even better than the animated series (Not the fault of the BTAS series writers, but it aired at a time where syndication was emphasized making it so any kid could jump in to any non-two part episode and not feel completely lost, rather than an unfolding narrative).

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t say I disagree

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

Same

how would it cause confusion considering how different the batman and justice league batman look?

@dcauwatchtower

3 жыл бұрын

Yes