I just wanna say that I appreciate the love that this video has been receiving this past week. I never thought I'd see it blow up considering I (was and still am) very new on my KZread journey. Hopefully one day I can retell this video with better editing, pacing etc. Until then I hope you enjoy this part of Murray in his early stages!❤ NOTE: The music used in the video is the resident evil 1 safe room music. I found it to be very haunting but also very soothing. kind of like how this episode is haunting.

@SnuggieMaple

18 күн бұрын

It’s a well put together video W

@SnuggieMaple

18 күн бұрын

Good video

@kinricketty1866

17 күн бұрын

I recently got it on my recommended so I decided to watch it. You did not disappoint. Keep making videos, pal.

@terintiaflavius3349

13 күн бұрын

KZread just recommended it to me today and I am glad I clicked to watch.

@Dusberk

13 күн бұрын

I'm gonna check out the rest of your channel after this, but incase you have not yet, I would love a deep dive on each individual Titan. Old Teen Titans was such a deep and nuanced show with each character fleshed out I loved it as a kid and now. Like you said cartoons these days just don't hit the same. And I can't even stand to think about Teen Titans Go they really ruined the show. Thanks for the great vid! Edit: You mention the show never really touches on her mothers assualt, but I think the entire episode is a commentary on that. Rather than lamenting the fact that her mother was raped the show uses Raven herself to symbolize that. Hence the reason this all goes down on her birthday, and she is 'cursed'. Like a commentary on children born from rape.

Knowing Slade is a pedo in the comics made this episode and all his interactions with Terra extra creepy.

@carlosdiazcastro5346

Ай бұрын

Does slade sweat in his suit?

@Rexorazor

25 күн бұрын

Whatever, i love this villain.

@rickyronny4019

23 күн бұрын

Yeah I know. I was just as edited out as you were

@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome

22 күн бұрын

@@Rexorazor what

@CommanderShepard-wq3wo

21 күн бұрын

@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome he said **Ahem!** “WHATEVER, I LOVE THIS VILLAN”

Whenever Slade pursues a teen, they end up half naked by the end. Even when Robin hallucinated Slade, his clothes ended up torn💀

@lumityviktuuristanartist4100

17 күн бұрын

Damn slade goes for everyone huh

@eileensnow6153

17 күн бұрын

Yuck.

@taimartinez722

16 күн бұрын

This shouldn't be funny but the way u phrased it made it impossible to hold back my laughter😹😹

@detectiveluck2899

13 күн бұрын

Oh no… what have you done?!

@davidarvingumazon5024

13 күн бұрын

Slade NSFW AI

Slade was always a predator he canonly dated had a relationship with and even married Terra when she was 14-16 and he has targeted multiple other damaged kids like Robin and Raven It’s crazy because he shows so many comparisons to many real life predators

@Blackrosealchemist5

Ай бұрын

Wait, what?! Was this in the comics or something?! I don’t recall this in the show, so that’s the only explanation I can think of.

@SnuggieMaple

Ай бұрын

@@Blackrosealchemist5 Yep in the comics he married dated and did it with Terra and in the show he’s shown to be very much like a real life predator going after broken kids

@jonbrewer297

28 күн бұрын

@@Blackrosealchemist5 Not married, he has a wife and kids, but he slept with her. Or at least he says "Does it matter now?" Seriously.

@trentBowie

23 күн бұрын

@@jonbrewer297 I know the exact scene in the comics you're talking about. When I read it as a kid, it reminded me why I fucking hate Deathstroke.

@rickyronny4019

23 күн бұрын

@@Blackrosealchemist5in the comics he was in a relationship with Terra. An underaged teen girl. Keep in mind that Slade/Deathstroke already has a wife and kids of his own

What makes the SA theory even more chilling is the red marks on her body. It's like they're meant to represent bruises.

@zitadoeza

14 күн бұрын

I was looking for a comment about those marks, I think they are indeed very symbolic. Like how the act of SA can mark a victim and Raven got visually marked, eventually with the same symbol as Slade.

@lightningringeopal3601

14 күн бұрын

Those marks are called the mark of skath they appear on trigons offspring and as a warning that they must end the world

@LQABP

9 күн бұрын

@@zitadoeza Wait, does this technically mean Slade got “symbolically SA’d”? Damn, Trigon! Calm down!

His assault on Raven puts his relationship and obsession with Robin in a darker light. Alot of people noticed Robin's ptsd symptoms and paranoia are similar to male SArifle victims who were groomed by older predatory men like Slade.

@jonbrewer297

28 күн бұрын

Wait until I tell you about Mirage some time.

@misfits9294

20 күн бұрын

This poor boy, but yeah Slade is at the very least genuinely canonically a predator, maybe not in a sexual light (tho there are undertones of that) his entire goal and actions are to groom several children into doing his bidding as apprentices. That's predatory behavior.

@Qxestionable

14 күн бұрын

@@misfits9294 Apparently there are comics where he literally dates and sleeps with Terra while she is in her mid teens, so in some canons he is explicitly a sexual predator towards minors, making the TT show canon where it’s more allegorically implied even more disturbing

@shachintheartist

12 күн бұрын

That must be painful

@TazainianDragon

10 күн бұрын

@@jonbrewer297 And Tarantula.

I think that portraying Slade Wilson as "pedo coded" is a genius way to adapt his Judas Contract arc without going into the actual pedo stuff. And it also goes to show that sexual abuse goes beyond the sexual act in itself.

@brandontrammel4581

16 күн бұрын

Agreed

@davidarvingumazon5024

13 күн бұрын

HAnime: Oh, look at what they're trying to copy the fraction of my power.

@user-cr5kk3xv1t

12 күн бұрын

@@davidarvingumazon5024 FR NAH THATS WAY TO TRUE THOUGH hentail be like

the fact that her hair growing in this episode made her look older than she was suddenly... the possible undertones of that rub me in the wrong way, having to grow up too soon

@rainofkhandaq6678

13 күн бұрын

She was already 18, she cuts her hair.

I kept thinking why at the end, Robin tells Raven that “You said something bad was supposed to happen. I guess it did. I’m sorry I couldn’t stop it. […] But for now, you’re safe. You are here with friends. It’s over.” It struck me because he was talking like he knew exactly what happened, even though he wasn’t there, and Raven hid the Trigon marks from her friends. But then I thought: if you caught your friend falling off a building, unconscious and almost naked, what would you assume happened?

@brianeatsualive

Жыл бұрын

thats really deep fr fr

@omarcogle1965

8 ай бұрын

@@brianeatsualive It makes you really wonder what the creators were thinking when they made Slade Wilson for this series.

@brianeatsualive

8 ай бұрын

@@omarcogle1965 Yeah

@omarcogle1965

8 ай бұрын

@@brianeatsualive The fact that they basically made him a pedophile in this series, and actually got away with it. Season 2's Aftershock 2-parter basically said that as well, especially when Slade said about Terra, "My control, her body."

@brianeatsualive

8 ай бұрын

@@omarcogle1965 its so sad omg

Slade stripping Raven of her clothes hit a little too close to home if you seen how he’s like in the comics. But in all seriousness this scene was always disturbing

One thing I haven’t seen people mention is the fact it’s on HER BIRTHDAY. I cannot emphasize how important that is. One thing I’ve heard a lot is predators waiting until their victim turns a “legal” age so that “nobody can say it’s pedophilia/grooming.” I highly doubt Raven turned legal, it says online she turned 17 in the episode but hot dayum the fact it was her birthday makes it all feel more icky

@yahyahyor

13 күн бұрын

oh wow youre right, it did hit on the whole "pre order" shit people do .... hope more people realise it is actual groomer behaviour

@CLangley-yl1fb

10 күн бұрын

In places like England, 17 is legal, so it'd count there to fit that allegory

@eonnexus

6 күн бұрын

It's never actually stated in the show or by the creators what her age is, but CN posted a tweet that listed her as 18, and the comic that this story is adapting very specifically uses her 18th birthday as a catalyst, so it's safe to say it's her 18th birthday here as well.

While the hyper sexual assault rifle inuendo is indeed obvious, Raven’s cloak also serves as a shield towards the world, but also herself. She literally hides herself under this cloak, and the fact that Slade gradually strips it away from her as she tries to run away also shows that she can no longer hide who she truly is and keep running away from her destiny, but must face and fight it. It also goes with the whole « fight against fate » theme of her character and of this specific story arc in season 4, which is executed so well

@murrayvation

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Raven was literally and figuratively stripped of what made her feel safe. I think Slade was the perfect vessel to get her to realize her “Destiny”. Having a perverted creep/ terminator approach suited him very well too. His tone of voice too was PERFECT.

@Pugie833

Жыл бұрын

@@murrayvation yeah, I mean Ron Perlman did an absolutely stunning performance with the voice acting. The whole cast of this show was stellar, and he was no exception

@windywhistlesmlp2230

8 ай бұрын

Why would they put that kind of junk in a ‘kids’ cartoon and be so graphic?

@omarcogle1965

5 ай бұрын

@@windywhistlesmlp2230 Look at most of the cartoons that were on in the 90s and early 2000s, they deep dived into a lot of dark territory.

@chasethemaster3440

Ай бұрын

@@windywhistlesmlp2230 because kids shows should have darker topics to teach kids

I never understood why this scene didn’t sit well with me, I knew it was physical assault in him ripping her clothes off, and it always felt even more disturbing than it appeared, but I never understood it was a subtext for SA until it finally clicked as I was watching it again. My brain kinda went “So that’s why I was always completely disturbed when I watched it”

@lydiaminx666

21 күн бұрын

It’s hard to sit through certain slade episodes as an adult since I went through grooming growing up. It hits different. Haunted will always stick with me too

When I was a child, I developed a parasocial relationship with this character at a deep, spiritual level. This episode made me feel validated when my evil junkie mother was the only thing that my family compared me to. They compared my behavior, looks, and interests to her all the time despite my protests. For many years I thought I was going to be like her. It was my biggest fear, still to this day, that I will wake up as my mother and do the same terrible selfish evil things she did, that I was destined to have my own children and treat them like animals, beating them the way she did me. But like Raven, and like Robin said, I had hope, hope to be different.

@marquistf1996

6 ай бұрын

I feel this. My greatest fear is to end up like my siblings. But yes I have hope and I will keep fighting for a better me.

@The-xp4xj

6 ай бұрын

maybe you weren't beaten enough considering how you turned out

@rachelstout6186

6 ай бұрын

@@The-xp4xj projection.

@The-xp4xj

6 ай бұрын

@@rachelstout6186 i wasnt beaten actually, probably cause im not a haggard tranny

@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735

3 ай бұрын

​@The-xp4xj Or she's just stronger than she was made out to be. Please be more sensitive to how your words can affect others.

When I was little & being s3xu4lly abused around the time the episode was aired it made me cry. Raven is my favorite character in the series for a reason that I now know.

@smashlimeblogspot1

15 күн бұрын

That's very evil that you had to go through that, I hope you've healed or are in a healing process💜🧡

The most haunting part of the episode is how Raven is depicted to act at the top of the skyscraper. Her whole character is defined by her calm, calculated nature but here she is genuinely panicked and terrified. Kind of like seeing one of your parents cry as a kid for the first time, someone acting this out of character from what you'd expect leaves a strong mark.

What I found interesting is when Raven Slade tears off her cloak, she didn’t run away but decided to fight back irrationally and afraid unlike her usual fighting style where she’s calm and collective. But backfire as she faces the truth more, this is one of the few Instances it tackles an adult subject matter of sexual assault, but done it very meaningful and dark.

@omarcogle1965

8 ай бұрын

That's why DC Animation is the GOAT, because they don't shy away from tackling serious issues.

@Kurumithespiritnightmare

6 ай бұрын

yea and i gotta admit like he said in the video a lot of guys had crushes on raven at the time and still do she’s my favorite character because i think she’s cute and powerful too and seriously having her clothes be torn away slowly only adds to us guys wanting to crush on her even more considering that sexual assault is my favorite fanfic genre i probably liked her sexual assault scene the most im sure most of the guys who made it had a lot of fun in the end

@user-rizzwan

5 ай бұрын

🤨​@@Kurumithespiritnightmare

@Kurumithespiritnightmare

5 ай бұрын

@@user-rizzwan hm

@craycraywolf6726

4 ай бұрын

@@Kurumithespiritnightmare 🤨📸

It's like Slade got mad they removed his grooming of Terra and took out his built up pedo rage on Raven.

@moonlightprincess449

20 күн бұрын

😂

@itdobelikedattho8112

16 күн бұрын

@@moonlightprincess449 don't laugh

@rainofkhandaq6678

13 күн бұрын

Raven's 18

@PotatoDude09

13 күн бұрын

@@itdobelikedattho8112 🤣🫵🤣🤣🫵🤣🫵🤣🫵🤣🫵🤣🫵

@purplebutterflydragon

13 күн бұрын

​@@rainofkhandaq6678 So, she just turned 18, he is still a pedo

Finding out about Deathstroke/Slade and Terra in the comics made this episode SO MUCH worse after a rewatch

@haileyharmon5298

3 ай бұрын

I know right?

@Seasonal-Shadow_4674

Ай бұрын

Many villains are just plain irredeemable

@jonbrewer297

28 күн бұрын

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 That's the funny part: Deathstroke was never intended to be a villain. In fact, after Terra dies, for the rest of the run, he's an occasional ally, though sometimes he asks them to help clean up his messes. Years later, starting really with this show, people at DC remembered his time with Terra and decided he should be a villain permanently. Different incarnations of the character can be villains or simply not sleep with Terra, but never be both a hero and sleep with Terra. And in Dark Crisis, he's even the big bad.

Iirc in the behind the scenes interviews, the creators said that they purposefully depict Slade as an adult - not a campy cartoon silver age villain - but an adult villain. And they think his appearance makes the Teen Titans look more … well, like teens, children. Which they are. So from his twisted, forced, paternal relationship with Robin and Terra, to his predatory behavior towards Raven, I think it was definitely meant to depict child abuse

@southerncoastproductions7587

Ай бұрын

fatherless weirdo

@rickyronny4019

23 күн бұрын

Not to mention Slade is a confirmed pedophile in the comics

The episode was super creepy when I was a kid, but I never understood why. As an adult I barely remembered it, but seeing it again, it's really obvious now. I love the old Teen Titans and was extremely disappointed in the Go series. A little note that kinda reinforces the tone, is the last shot of Slade behind Raven, right when she screams "no" and ends the time-stop. That felt like a very direct reference.

@omarcogle1965

5 ай бұрын

You know what's interesting, the scene where Raven stops time and he screaming no when Slade is behind her reminds me of the movie Speak, with Kristen Stewart.

For me, the Teen Titans episode Spellbound was the one (as an adult) I now find unsettling as it depicts Raven being in an abusive relationship with Malichor who gaslights her, makes her feel isolated from her friends and uses her. Raven in that episode is shown to also be emotionally vulnerable as she deals with feelings of loneliness and social isolation, something which Malichor took advantage of.

@CinemaSongscovers

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, after doing research into manipulative behaviors, I now recognize some of the signs. 1) isolation: getting her to stay in her room and keeping her from talking to her friends (physical and social) 2) becoming super close super fast: giving her the paper rose and calling her beautiful; making her think that they were the same 3) gaslighting: misleading her after she accused him of teaching her dark magic by saying that it was just misunderstood There may be more than that, but those are the only ones I can think of off hand. (and I just noticed that I basically just repeated what you said)

@adrianafernandez8095

8 ай бұрын

I despise Spellbound because of Malchior’s manipulation towards her.

@windywhistlesmlp2230

8 ай бұрын

@@CinemaSongscovers Now that you mention it, yeah! That’s right! Emotional manipulation. Kind of reminds me of injustice and how Diana (Wonder Woman) manipulated Clark (Superman) after Lois died. He was emotionally unstable or vulnerable. That part of Superman and Wonder Woman makes me hate them so much!!!!

@omarcogle1965

5 ай бұрын

You should touch on the Steven Universe episodes that features Jasper & Lapis, since it does touch on abuse in a Lesbian relationship.

@windywhistlesmlp2230

5 ай бұрын

@@omarcogle1965 I don't really see or keep up with Steven universe. But nice to let us know

I find it funny how Robin spent season 1 trying to figure out Slade's identity when, well, that's his real name.

@tvalokibatman6563

Ай бұрын

How come slade doesn’t call himself deathstroke?

@themaestro2572

Ай бұрын

@@tvalokibatman6563 cuz he a beeeeetch. Lol kidding. I think it was a censorship thing because they thought it wouldn't be appropriate for kids to hear the word "death" in a cartoon. Then again , this show had moments that weren't for kids.

@tvalokibatman6563

Ай бұрын

@@themaestro2572 that sounds stupid excuse

@themaestro2572

Ай бұрын

@@tvalokibatman6563 you know what else is stupid? The ending to season 5.

@sugamamaproud9810

29 күн бұрын

You sound just like brother.

I don't necessarily think that the episode itself is about SA, but I think it's obvious the writers were using certain aspects of that topic in order to drive home the tone/story, even if it was subconscious. It also doesn't help that Slade is in effect a child predator even if you take Raven out of the picture

@walter1383

16 күн бұрын

Agreed, I'd say child abuse and the dangers of getting involved with cults/the occult is more accurate. As sadistic as Slade is, he's still technically acting as a proxy for Trigon here, who represents both to Raven. That said, SA does frequently come into play in both so the imagery certainly fits and helps to drive the episode's point home regardless.

Starfire is the only Teen Titan member that she doesn't have a season of character development for her redemption arc like the other teen titans having at least one season dedicated for their development redemption arcs and revelance to their respective storylines: Season 1: Robin Season 2: Terra Season 3: Cyborg Season 4: Raven Season 5: Beastboy

@omarcogle1965

2 ай бұрын

And to be honest, Starfire had subplot story arcs in Seasons 1, 2 & 3. Season 1, when her sister Blackfire came on the scene. Season 2, when she went into the future and saw her friends, when she had a big pimple. Season 3, when she fought Blackfire for the Throne of Tamarania, and when she had to deal with Valor for calling her a Troq.

@tvalokibatman6563

Ай бұрын

I thought season 2 is beast boy season

@omarcogle1965

18 күн бұрын

@@tvalokibatman6563 Actually Season 2 was a Terra Season, Season 5 was a Beast Boy Season.

This episode was, along with Haunted, one of the few that really resonated with me due to how disturbing it was. It for me cemented how serious cartoons could be when they really wanted to be. I never really associated what Slade did to Raven as sexual assault until I became an adult. But that’s essentially what happened and she was violated against her will. It’s scary how much Slade pursued her throughout the entire episode, and how scared Raven was.

@shredgod6394

24 күн бұрын

What slade did isn’t really sexual assault and Raven didn’t fear Slade, she feared her Father

Also, the growing of her hair can symbolize her innocence leaving her as the longer hair ages her.

I myself being a sexuall assault victim I understand what Raven went through and I think Slade's actions in this episode are completely unacceptable

@MaeRose26

4 ай бұрын

Same 😢

@DazeyJellyfish

2 ай бұрын

Same :/

@zacharybosley1935

Ай бұрын

Kinda the point no? Creepstroke isnt meant to be a redeemable villain like Terra or Jinx. He's a monster, in the most classical sense.

@tierefuerimmer9635

Ай бұрын

Well Slade literally helped play a part in the apocalypse so it would be pretty hypocritical for him to have standards. Don't get me wrong Slade was beyond intimidating and this is one of the reasons why but as Robin is rightfully disgusted and distrustful of him he says: Everything you've done it's made people suffer." And Slade replies:" It's what I do best". I'm not saying what he's doing is right, Slade is completely menacing- I'm saying at his core: he's absolutely terrifying and manipulative, he knows it and he takes absolute pleasure in intimidating/ manipulating his opponents. He's no less evil than the Joker just the opposite personality

@southerncoastproductions7587

Ай бұрын

@@DazeyJellyfish no you're not. nobody ever wanted anything to do with you.

One thing I hate about some DC writers is that they tried to ignore/retcon Deathstroke grooming Terra into she has daddy issues and he's not a creep. One of the best Teen Titans comics established that Deathstroke preyed on a teen girl, and writers treat it like the Dr Light twist in Identity Crisis. I think it's a good idea to make one of the Titan's villains someone who would prey on a child, and it's also a great way to show that even less powerful villains can be dangerous. Plus Slade's a father himself and he's manipulated his own daughter Rose into killing before (how well-written that story is, depends but it does demonstrate that Slade does manipulate children). Way too many DC writers and fans love Deathstroke to the point where they want him to be this anti-hero when his whole thing was wanting to murder a bunch of teenagers because his son (who also tried to kill said teenagers), failed and died in the process.

@channelsunnamed1202

20 күн бұрын

I’m gonna disagree on one thing regarding your argument. DC characters are retconned all the time and it’s not always a bad thing. Deathstroke can be a manipulative and self righteous bastard who grooms people to do what he wants, which makes sense for an assassin, but making him into an actual straight up diddler is just too far for someone who is meant to be flexible in his alignments. Slade can be absolutely evil but capable of doing good as well, and that’s ok because that makes him flexible in stories. My point is that Deathstroke should definitely be allowed to be a villain, but not to a point where he can’t be anything else.

@Yayofangamer16

5 күн бұрын

Imagine wanting to keep a villain a pdf. Self report 📸📸📸 Degen

@Yayofangamer16

5 күн бұрын

​@@channelsunnamed1202They just want to project their pdf fantasies and j_rk to it

Loved this show to death as a kid, and this episode always had a place rent free in my head. That scene of slade showing Raven the inevitable apocalypse was the most intense thing I ever seen outside a horror movie.

As an older teen girl, when I was wayyy younger I was prone to finding all sorts of domineering fictional men attractive. And almost graduating, it is incredibly hard to see how mentally ill people are found “sexually attractive” and big companies like DC normalize grooming and the fantasy sexualization of kids and SA. I saw a comment that talked about how sick it is when a women is hurting and broken and all they need is help…only for people to disregard it and turn it into a sexual fantasy, it is disgusting. Now I’m not innocent, I’ve definitely had some fcked fantasies when I was in my early teens, but as a women growing up and having to realize I have to face this world on my own eventually, it is incredibly difficult, horrifying, sad, painful and disgusting how the world treats issues like SA and the representation of women. Thank you for posting this, it was disturbing but necessary.

As a kid that experienced abuse this episodes made me feel so many emotions but at the same time helped me cope with a lot. Even when Raven’s inner child needed guidance, it felt like she had lost her innocence or childhood because of everything that happened to her. She still had Robin to help her find her way and get through this dark phase.

@superquasigalaxygamer6297

14 күн бұрын

Hope you're doing much better now 🙏❤️

At least Slade didn't sniff Raven's hair

@RidgeKing52

24 күн бұрын

I see what you did there 😂

@mill2712

24 күн бұрын

As far as we know...

I just rewatched the episode before finding this and I actually have two theories dedicated to Robins role in this episode: Tw btw 1: Robin is an example of survivers of Abuse, SA, R@pe ect, and is willing to help anyone who was in his place. Many survivors of themes like that have made their duty to help the people in their place, I've watched many true crime stories to confirm this and most survivers do this. 2: Robin is the example of people who are there to help no matter what. Yes people like that could also be a victim of the abuser but they still are standing strong to protect the victim. Like in this episode, Robin fought Slade to protect the other titans especially Raven, he let himself be a target for Slade as Raven got away. Plus at the start at the episode when Raven didn't agree to the party, Robin was the one to ask her what's wrong, maybe referencing to friends or family who realised the victims of Abuse have acted differently then before, he says he wants to be in her head referencing to people wanting to help with survivers even if they say no. I am very on with the second one ngl

How is "Hypersexual Assault Rifle" more ad-friendly than "sexual assault"?

@aromaladyellie

14 күн бұрын

I think because it breaks it down into two separate ideas but honestly he should just say "SA"

@PotatoDude09

13 күн бұрын

Amurica 🇺🇸🎆🎇🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

In regards to the episode "Birthmark", as a kid I honestly never got an impression of SA from the episode i saw it more as a demon breaking down the will of the victim through psychological attacks on the mind. As an adult though, i do see it as a metaphor or a type of symbolism for Raven becoming an adult and very unfavorable events do happen to women that makes them feel powerless. Although the "scene" from the movie "The Hills Have Eyes" is far worse as it made me feel helpless, and unable to stop it.

This was all so incredibly disappointing to me. Mainly the part where he mentioned how some people got sexual pleasure from it. People really won’t stop sexualizing women. It doesn’t matter if they’re in physical and mental pain….some people like it better that way. It makes it even sadder when you know how she was born.

@purplebutterflydragon

13 күн бұрын

I know it's disgusting, disrespectful, and disturbing. People like them is honestly terrifying

@That_Russel_Pup

9 күн бұрын

It’s so disturbing ngl, I mean hell people might be all “well she’s not a real person so it doesn’t matter” but like, damn if you can’t even handle a character, wtf will happen towards actual victims irl? It’s so disgusting and disturbing

@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy

7 күн бұрын

Theres a category called ryona i think where gir Is get beat up and ppI like that genre because it turns them on. S in has no limits. The skys the roof.

"Feels like Slade did a crime." Of course paraphrasing. Did you except villains not to do crimes?

@MarcoSuperNova2784

10 ай бұрын

Courtney Mal and Scarlett of Total Drama As Villains: And I Took It Personal! 😂

Basically every dark scary and horrified episode that features Slades presence as a villain on the screen haunts me nigthmare fuels and literally gives me some cold shivering nostalgic waves of how Teen Titans episodes were definately darker and scary for us to watch.

As a kid this episode scared me, it struck something deep within me. It’s feels like we, as the viewer, were witnesses to a sexual assault and could not do anything to stop it, while we watched. Like a testament to sexual assault IRL, many times the victim feels powerless because there was nothing to be done to stop or prevent the SA (I know firsthand how horrible the powerlessness feeling is. It seriously strips you down to your bare core. When I found out I got SA’d by my ex I felt like my life was meaningless). The viewer, after witnessing a horrible shock of events, is left with the same feeling of powerlessness, nothing could be done to protect raven.

12:26 i honestly didn't think you'd mention the Zone-Sama p*rn parody. As you were talking about this birthday episode, and speculating the adult elements, i couldn't help but think of that dirty animation!

@DazeyJellyfish

2 ай бұрын

Yuck! I remember that too it was so gross & weird

@_Kay15_

Ай бұрын

Yeah I can’t believe someone made porn of a sexual assault scene, just fucking disgusting people

@burntmother.

17 күн бұрын

that zone guy is weird about cartoon children

@Smfsableye

13 күн бұрын

The Zone Teen Titans parodies really gave me a messed up idea of how sex was supposed to work, as a millennial boomer it really was the highest quality flash h*ntai out there at the time, but at the same time it was also the most r*pey.

Absolutely agree with your take on this episode referencing SA. I do love this episode, and the really dark overtones and messaging are definitely hard to ignore. Hard disagree with that Reddit thread though, saying she only saved Robin because she was in love with him or whatever. Nah man, she saved him because he was the one in most danger of being killed by a giant gear, lol.

This episode and the one where he made Robin have visions creeped me out

When I was a kid I felt nothing sexual about it but nowadays yeah ok it's kinda gives me Nickelodeon vibes man

@godson8817

26 күн бұрын

Eh, Nickelodeon is a lot more distasteful

@mill2712

24 күн бұрын

​@@godson8817 Because those kids were real in Nick's case.

Considering I suffer from PTSD from my former ex wife, i know how robin feels, i was diagnosed with it when i was a teenager from seeing my dad beat on my mom. So thinking that something is there when it is not took me years to grasp and control with my weekly medicine. This episode HAUNTED and the episode BIRTH MARK really hit home for me. So thank you for breaking it down and making it easier for me to understand even though this series came out when i was 19, the exact year that my ra** happened when i was homeless. Years of therapy helped me understand that i am only human and some mistakes of bigger than others but you have to live with what happens to you even though in the grand scheme of things you cant change it or erase it.

Though he is Slade he isn’t but representing himself. Trigon “owns” him or his being if you will, just like he does Raven, in a way to think strictly about what she represents and not the fact that a male is going after young female in a (icky) way. Don’t think as much as Slade wanting to see her in that manner but instead showing and exposing her to her markings (reminder of her purpose/existence) which doing so weakens her mental stability which in turn effects her powers… Think of of her as a nun that’s the daughter of the devil and her body had words written on them the opens the gates of hell to release him. Instruments, that’s what she is, and more so Slade is so as Trigon referred to him as slave.. Robin was his fixation before Terra and then now his life that was lost is what he’s working towards now. But Raven, if we’re counting, she is the third victim of his this series compared to Terra and especially Robin. The way he “grooms” Robin with control and later Terra, his brutal nature he displayed seemed mild compared to the prolonged abuse on the other two. But is not about sexual hype but rather look at Slade as the epitome of corruption and control through manipulative actions only to for fill his plans of spreading his salt in the superhero “game” for dominance over that.

For me, raven was a character I saw myself in. My family always had some expectations and I was always different. Not like them. I was called unfun a lot growing up but then I got reminded of her. And now I’m 23 but am okay with how I am, unique and different.

You're the one making her blush in the thumbnail

It literally happens with Terra. Slade forces himself on her so this did not surprise me.

I watched this episode as a I’d multiple times and it is unforgettable. I may not have been able to understand it back then, and I get why people would get an uncomfortable vibe, but I just don’t think any sexual undertones were 100% intentional. At least not at a severe scale.

I'm the kind of 90s kid who grew up renting VHS Spawn animation series, without an adult. Some lessons need to be learned, and some can actually handle mature content without being a candle stick(snow flake). Thank you for sharing, I love all of the OG Teen Titans

As a child I did not understand the events and implications in this episode but I knew what slade was doing was bad I didn’t feel disturbed but I knew raven was being tormented Now as I am older I have a better understanding with what the episode was conveying

This is why my parents made me grow up with Disney

It gets more creepy with its fan made animation

Teen titans is one of my favorite shows/cartoons ever. My favorite character is Raven, I was always so drawn towards her. This episode truly terrified me as a kid and as an adult.

I watched this when I was a kid and it disturbed and grossed me out so bad. I remember feeling so bad for her.

I saw myself in Raven when i was a kid. Her and I were both very different from everyone else around us. So when i saw this episode, it felt like even I was being violated. This episode haunted me for a while afterwards, but I'm glad the show writers tackled this issue. SA does happen and it's never a good or sexy thing. It is horrifying and it should be portrayed as such. They did good on portraying this as horrifying

Your video has been recommended to me for months but only until a few days ago I dared to watch it because I knew it was going to be a one way trip. As a little girl I got involved on a very deep level with Raven's character because, somehow I identified with her. A reserved way of being, an introverted personality, the need for a network of friends who would more than "understand" me and guilt as a constant weight definitely resonated with me. I think there is a lot of my life and personality that was shaped only because of growing up watching this show and admiring this character. I'm not sure if that always "saved me" (many times it did) but for the most part, for me, the Teen Titans were a companion and a benchmark and I love them deeply for that. The analysis of this episode was devastating and I understood, on a deeper layer, why the show impacted me so much at the time and still does now. When I finished watching your video I had a very strong panic attack that left me in a state of nerves for hours, probably because I clearly saw things that I had long ago decided to leave in the shadows... but what strikes me most is the amount of comments that resonate on a personal level with my experience. In the end, being alive and being young can become a very complex experience for some of us, and all I can think is that thank God there are people willing to do this kind of things... I mean a group of people decided to work actively to bring these images, reflections and themes to some kids and I don't know if that can be judged as "right" or "wrong" but I know that in my case, and judging by the comments, also in the case of many, that accompanied some of our darkest moments, made us safe, changed the course of our lives. It sounds exaggerated but I don't think it is at all. I will always be grateful to the people behind this series, for the decisions they made, the issues they addressed. They helped a girl and made a person better, I can tell you that much. And thanks for your video, obviously. It was about time for me to be able to talk about these issues by the name they have, beyond the metaphor that the cartoon lent me to be able to deal with it when I didn't yet have the words or the awareness to address it directly. 🖤

9:51 Thank you!!! Even though I didn't have the vocabulary to describe it at the time, as a kid, I felt his voice was sensual.

I really wanna play devil advocate and argued against this idea, I will agree that their was some sexual undertones during this episode! When you look at the character of slade and the whole situation, it’s hard for me to genuinely see this as a metaphor for SA. Part of the reason why I personally can’t see it is that the only reason why slade had an interest in raven was because of her father, he made a deal and became her father lackey! Another reason is that slade was shown to only be interested in marking raven, there was plenty of time where he was alone with raven where things could have gone further but he only cares about delivering the message. Even at the end he he willing let raven go once he was finish. I always find this more akin to predatory behavior, which fit slade since that is his character

@NarutoUzumaki-xg9et

3 ай бұрын

I argee. I think he’s adding things that were not originally there

@rosestar1324

22 күн бұрын

I mean her dad raped her mom to impregnate her with Raven so do you really think literal Satan is above sending someone to rape/assault his daughter so she can fulfill the prophecy? If it wasn't supposed to be sexual, then why did all her clothes need to be torn? Raven already barely wears anything and by the time Slade is done with her, she's nearly naked. Later on in the season, we see the marks on Raven's body but they shine through her clothes. So if the writers didn't wanna imply a secual assault, they could still have marked her body but kept her leotard in tact. But no, they had her clothes become ripped because that was the message they wanted to send. This isn't the first nsfw message this show tackled either. This show was very well written.

@DanyTheMe

14 күн бұрын

The text of the episode is what you're describing. But this video is talking about the episode's subtext. Two different things. He's not saying that's what slade is literally doing to her, he's saying that the show is using the story as a way to explore the theme of SA

When he says that this episode is not safe for a general audience I just kept laughing I grew up with this entire show and had seen these darker episodes when I was like eight I was not traumatized I know a lot of people weren’t traumatize in fact they love the show for having that type of maturity😂

I will say its a very intimidating episode for what amount for Slade to be a message sender of sorts from ravens dad. I wondered at first if this IS Slade or not. Found it weird he sudden went to raven when he was focused on robin. It make me feel suspense and slight horror to be honest. Very well made episode. They succeeded at making you what they wanted out of that scene, hell the entire ARC felt unnerving and scary. It felt really good when it was over. I was so proud of raven.

@MarcoSuperNova2784

10 ай бұрын

Raven's father is a demon named Trigon the season 4 main antagonist and a rival to Raven and Titans by ending the world on fire in the 3 part finale episode _The end_

@Sonicfalcon16

10 ай бұрын

@@MarcoSuperNova2784 I know.

@MarcoSuperNova2784

10 ай бұрын

​@@Sonicfalcon16 Wow did we just become good friends because we love so much the classic series of Teen Titans that never gets old ?!

@MarcoSuperNova2784

10 ай бұрын

​@@Sonicfalcon16 Definately my favorite and badass iconic moment from the entire franchise is when Raven defeats her evil demonised father Trigon at the very end of season 4 and her character development was a good pay off to end her redemption arc on a good high note.

It wouldn’t be the first time Deathstroke did hyper *Sexual Assault* Rifle

@omarcogle1965

5 ай бұрын

Look at Aftershock parts 1 & 2.

I was waiting the whole time if the 'thing' that starts at 12:25 would be brought up.

Raven was always my favourite character in the original show. Beast Boy was a close second (mainly because green’s my favourite colour which also drew me to Starfire along with a childhood crush as I’ve known a lot of girls, ones that I’ve had crushes on in real life that remind me of her). I don’t even know why Raven was my favourite, she just always was (for some reason as a kid I was always strangely convinced she was a boy but that’s neither here nor there, I have no explanation for why I even considered that thought, maybe it was just because her hair’s usually hidden by a hood). Maybe it’s because in most kids shows I always liked the grouchier characters over the more happy go lucky comedic ones, namely in Spongebob, Squidward was my boy. In recent years Raven’s still one of my favourite Titans, certainly my favourite female one but now because I’ve actually grown to understand the character more than I did when I was little. There’s just something really cool and interesting to me about a character who’s destined and literally born to be evil, someone who supposedly has no choice but to be that way but in the end is still able to and actually does end up making the choice not to be evil anyway despite supposedly not being able to make that choice because fuck destiny in the ass.

"Fat sex fathead" says Optimus Prime. Slade did this to raven in this episode.

I've never seen this episode but it's sad to see how relatable this is. How awful. And somehow healing. They learned to be there for each other despite the bastard existing.

W dude I’ve been waiting for this one. Love you bro

@murrayvation

Жыл бұрын

❤️

Saw your short related to this, loved that so dropped you a sub from that. Keep up the great work and I hope to see more Teen Titans deep dives if you want to do that kind of content!

This version of Slade is clearly a groomer. He seeks out teenagers to psychologically break and become his apprentices. Goes to show that someone doesn’t have to be sexual to be a groomer…and that’s scary.

i totally agree that this episode was a lesson about sexual assault and rape hidden. i remember as a kid seeing this episode and not only feeling bad for raven but seriously wanting to go into the show myself and try and stop slade from touching her plus in the comics this arc was based off of slade did actually rape raven

The episodes number and title from this video is episode 3 "Birthmark" or episode 7 "Profecy" from season 4 since I've been watching 1 week ago (5-10 days only) the remaining seasons 2-4 of Teen Titans and definately there are many good to awesome dark episodes of season 4 dedicated to protagonist Raven and evil presences of Slade working for Trigon as well as where they show to us Raven's character development being very complexed unique and interesting and her layered out character of how vulnerable she was both times Slade was haunting her and the titans with the S sign known as the Sketch sign of pure evilness from Trigon and that means Raven herself is the treasure and her destiny has already been predicted in both episodes about her conflicts with Slade and her demonised father Trigon. Good review BTW and love it so much and nothing can beat the original classic series of Teen Titans.

I definitely remember watching this when I was younger and thinking "Should I be watching this?" I feel like this episode is certainly supposed to mirror her backstory, but also have Slade symbolically strip away her identity so that she will essentially become an object. She wasn't meant to survive that apocalypse. She was only ever made to become a portal that her father could use to escape. As dark as this episode is, I think it is essential for her character development

I saw this episode when I was about 13 and I never forgot it… Looking back on it there are a few of these types of moments in media growing up that in hindsight are very troubling to think about. It is as if the animators wanted to include these really dark and serious themes to a younger audience for a specific reason. Either way I never looked into it any further, I just kicked it under the rug and moved on. Very creepy.

this episode of teen titans is one of my favorites and one of the most horrifying i remember seeing it as a kid and being legit scared for the titans and the world lol

I never thought of this episode as something to address SA. But now that I have seen this video this makes a lot of sense why it is so dark. I do remember watching this episode as a kid but never interpreted as SA. I thought it was a Raven specific story to show more about her background. On a funny note, I know you search that ZTV shit up man. Don't lie. After watching this vid though, not sure watching that version is moral.... Good vid bro!

11:07 Everything you said was fine until this point, I genuinely think in the context of that scene, most normal teenage boys who simped Raven would have gone wtf or "I want to beat up Slade".

Nothing can beat the original series of Teen Titans!

well deathstroke is canonically a groomer in two universes

Lol, firebenders WISH they could do what Slade does.

Did anyone notice the resident evil save room track as the background music? Its a nice touch. Great video!

@That_Russel_Pup

9 күн бұрын

Omg I thought I was the only one who noticed-

@tree7192

8 күн бұрын

@@That_Russel_Pup yeah in his other videos he seems to be using resident evil sound effects too its cool

This episode hit hard! I saw it when it was still running on TV, and seeing her garments torn definitely left me with an emotional, almost sick feeling. I don't think it's Assault Rifle, but the actions are similar. Seeing her hurt like this really effected me in that moment.

I love Ravens ark, and it made me happy to see Slade again when I was a kid, honestly I loved this show

Ima just say it, i liked the way Slade got his way with her, making her powerless and as you said it his property his object his will and desires realized, as he grabbed onto her and told her that she knows herself and that running from it won't do her any good, as he lets go of her she lets herself fall to the ground she who can fly truly felt like she was lost & needed someone other than Slade to give her a reason on why she's not going to end up becoming the princess of the underworld but the savior of the overworld, Robin caught her and in a way reassured her about how he knew what it must've been like to be on the dark side of the moon when slade managed to get to them both making Robin become evil and turn against his friends, and Raven accepting herself as Demon Core ready to go off at any point in time. Raven now having the curse mark she's never free from what she is if slade can bend her will then another like him can do the same and may even go beyond to proof a point, all it takes is temptation and manipulation. If it wasn't for Robin, Raven would have lost her way and have connected with Slade. Slade understands Raven just like Robin does too. She unfroze Robin because in a serious time of need he's the one she seeks comfort with for morality, otherwise Raven would have become corrupted by Slade and join up with him because she has less of a reason to fight for what she clings onto her close friends. Hell Marked Raven and Slade both are badasses. Raven more so because it shows her struggle now for all to see these markings are the calling of hell's creation and she desperately seeks for a reason to avoid answering to them, she's a hellborn with the ability to be stronger than her father but running away because she's afraid she'll be like her father. Raven has been told by her mother how she came to be and that the blood runs deep, that she too will not resist when the time came and her mother was right, she didn't Raven didn't go full power, she didn't even go half power, Slade is strong without a doubt, but he seemed unstoppable because Raven was holding back herself she wasn't sure about what she wanted until Robin showed her the reasons that she's still also human. P.S: save your tears and twitter responses, i posted the comment it is here to defile your eyes and mind no matter what you say, the deed is done and now your mind is just like Raven's unsure about herself there's nothing wrong about giving into your demons you are a human the most perfect predator in disguise able to prey on anyone if your dark desires get the better of you it's important to know that even if we don't have wings or horns or a halo or red skin we can be either an angel without wings or a devil without horns, hell and heaven is the place we all are at right now it's called earth. Oh and have a nice day, Comment Reader. And unlike Slade we won't be in touch. ✌️😈

this is genuinely a really interesting and dark topic. In all honesty i wish we had more animated shows represent these kinds of subject matters because they are very much important to discuss. also hate to be that guy but if you don't mind telling me, what's the song used in the background of the video? it's really haunting and i'd like to find it.

Some people look too deep into things. I don’t look at this ep that way. This ep was actually one of my favorite ep

I remember this episode it brought some dark memories back bro. I also for some reason remember this being an entire arc where raven was even gone for a while.

10:33 50 shades of Slade. 💀

I still think Beast Boy should have been Raven's emotional support in her season 4 arc and not Robin.

@omarcogle1965

Ай бұрын

Maybe but I think for this one I made sense for Robin to be Raven's emotional support, since the have a psychic bond.

@dostoyevskysolzhenitsyn8201

Ай бұрын

@@omarcogle1965Not necessarily. Robin is not one of the two characters who literally went inside Raven’s mind. BB and Raven’s dynamic was far more developed and complex than with Robin. BB’s best character development generally came from episodes with his dynamic with Raven. The Nevermore episode and other episodes act as minor conflicts that represent the greater struggle to come. It is BB who matures because of Raven. He learns to accept other people’s preferences and also to show her he cares the best way he can. In doing so, he makes her feel validated for having the titans in her life and she learns to let him in. He encourages her to not shun her other emotions. He was then put into her situation due to his reckless behavior in the Beast Within. The final scene of the episode frames BB being in a darker area with Raven being in a lighter area because of what he did for her. But now that she is the one who understands BB’s emotions better than the rest of titans, they can now share this space together. One thing I do like about Raven’s arc is how we see BB turn into the Beast for Raven’s sake. Showing he has more control over it. BB’s feelings for Raven are linked to the Beast. This is clear in the narrative of the episode. I’m not saying Robin and Raven was bad, I’m just saying BB and Raven would’ve added so much more emotional weight to her season 4 arc. It would’ve knocked out two birds with one stone by completing two character journeys because their dynamic actually built up to this arc. What ticks me off about season 5 is that after they had Robin take BB’s spotlight in season 4, they used that as a way for BB to rob Starfire of a season focused on her. That’s how we got a messy final season that didn’t have the heart of BB’s journey as a hero.

@ckorko

Ай бұрын

While having BB being the one to support Raven in this arc would have been more satisfying, I still think Robin is still a good choice for Raven’s support. At first Slade is the one who was chasing and attacking her, and after the time and effort Robin spent studying and preparing to stop Slade, Raven probably thought that if any of the Titians could stop Slade, it would have been Robin. And also Robin is their leader, and I think he would be the one that any of the Titans would first go to for help or support.

@dostoyevskysolzhenitsyn8201

Ай бұрын

@@ckorkoThat is despite the fact that Robin’s obsession with Slade has been his main character flaw. Having Beast Boy go with Slade to find Raven wouldn’t have been any less interesting especially since their confrontation in Terra’s arc and the fact that Slade talks about how he survived after she killed him. BB and Slade’s confrontation in Things Change also would’ve made more sense if it had been BB. But again, I am much more annoyed at season 5 than season 4. I still love Raven’s arc because of what it means for her character. I am just critical of Robin’s significance.

@rosestar1324

22 күн бұрын

Since Starfire was never gonna get her own season, she should have been Raven's support since Star is the heart of the team.

as someone who loved the show as a kid and then got into the comics in my teens, rewatching this episode after i knew her backstory gave a whole new perspective. i always saw it as raven and slade being a parallel for her mother and trigon. her mother was young, naive, and taken advantage of by a literal demon god and had a prophecy thrust upon her that she never asked for. raven is not exactly like her mother but she’s being abused by what’s obviously a vessel for demon, possibly even her father, for the entire episode, being constantly reminded and verbally abused about who she is and what her birth is supposed to bring about it’s a fantastic parallel and retelling of her conception that manages to both be sexual and horrific. obviously seeing this as a child and having no knowledge of either the comics or what sex was, it was no doubt going to be a sexual awakening for a lot of viewers, but knowing the backstory and true intentions, it no longer has that same impact as you know what it’s really supposed to mean

the resident evil OSt really adds to the ambiance of your video essay. Its quite concerning how they allowed Slade's treatment of Raven on cartoon network. The undertones are insnaely umcomfortable. Id argue, this slade is the most menacing version of Slade outside of the comics (probablu more than the comics as well, considering he got 2 solo runs (one in the 90s, one the new 52....this man is a monster and he got a solo run,,,,eww)

Slade came back like William Afton

i def remember something being off about this as a kid, its not normal for her clothes to be ripped like that, ans unfortunately i was subjected to the ZTV creation from a friend...

I have never felt like that when watching this episode. 😂

I agree it’s not like they haven’t had other episodes that’s symbolic to other problems. Like that one episode they tackled racism with Starfire.

I watched a lot of Teen Titans as a little girl, but this episode is the only one that I still fully remember, because it disturbed me so much even at that age

I mean, the comics definitely take it to those extremes and have that happen to strong female characters. Raven, Gamora, several others with dark pasts faced such evils. This was a great episode and tackled the subject really well. It kept it vague enough to show that Raven is having her guard taken down, her "armor" peeled away to show parts of herself she is trying to hide.

I hate the fact that I saw the zone parody.... I always thought raven was a cool character but... Even then this episode was definitely degrading for her she's a great character but yeah I agree with you on this take

how long is forever hit deep for me too

ngl chat that one scene where he rips her cape off was like my gay awakening like she was already a bit of a crush for me but i didnt know until THAT scene.