Archeologists: “we’ll never know what these complex artistic renditions meant” Ancient humans: “Tiger man, ha ha ha”

@lycaonpictus9662

2 жыл бұрын

lol. Probably one of their gods. Bring back Church of the Tiger Man.

@emmamcdonald8575

2 жыл бұрын

The first fury

@B2WM

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmamcdonald8575 The first Sonic OC, do not steal.

@emordnilap4747

2 жыл бұрын

I love the thinking that maybe scholars are discussing what religious significance this had, when in reality it was just carved by a prehistoric stoner.

@iwatchwithnoads7480

2 жыл бұрын

probably just a toy. 5yr old boy: let's go Mr Lion, stomp on Swiper the Fox. Swiper no swiping! Rawwr! Also him: Dad why doesn't Mr Lion have the mane? Dad: Buddy I was too lazy to curve that sht out

I am always astounded by the detail and accuracy of cave art. It really reminds me that these ancient humans were all every bit as intelligent and smart as we are today.

@Lishadra

2 жыл бұрын

Totally, and that they spent a LOT of time looking at their subjects. I see a lot of love and reverence in the way they represented their surroundings.

@jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lishadra reverence... key word. the Man-Lion is revered worldwide, w many churches deficated to NaraSimha esp in southeast asia. the harekrishnas like me today are extremelt devoted. the image shown from the european is a Lakshmi Nr.Singhom. rarely mentioned: an altar was also found Right There for Him... : ) namasté narasimhaya ...

@rosaliegrace905

2 жыл бұрын

@@jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491 i had never heard about this before but thank you for reaponding with this. I think reverance is an incredible term to use. I hope you are well!

@rosaliegrace905

2 жыл бұрын

@@paddor well yeah they disnt have internet but their knowledge of day to day skills would have been vastly better than ours

@elizabethsullivan7176

2 жыл бұрын

If they weren't we wouldn't be here today 😉🙂

Don't you just love it that pre-historic records painted on a cave wall by our ancient ancestors are used in conjunction with modern paleontology to reach a scientific conclusion? Just amazing!

@sherryd.3425

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do. When I hear actors and politicians say, "I speak truth to power.", I giggle. No one cares. Speak truth by painting on a wall that depicts the reality of a moment as your community interprets it. Then leave it for the future...unedited or spoiled.

@darkstarr984

Жыл бұрын

I know and I love it. I’m more interested in the paleontology side than the anthropology side of things but it’s so important for these fields to work together

Those cave artists were amazing. Their depictions are very detailed.

@bennu547

2 жыл бұрын

Kind of. Remember they’re in a cave. It’s not like you ask a lion to pose for you. So yes they’re very detailed but not hyper realistic. Still very beautiful though

@speakdino10

2 жыл бұрын

@@bennu547 Dude seriously? Noone said the cave paintings were hyper or photo realistic. They're still very detailed, ESPECIALLY for the reasons you stated. They used primitive inks, without a reference to look at (maybe, it's also possible these genius cave artists dragged a dead specimen as reference) and made works of art that stood the test of time. These are very detailed by all measures.

@kreesh4048

2 жыл бұрын

@@speakdino10 they probably used their bodies (or parts thereof) for drawing reference after hunting

@shrimpisdelicious

2 жыл бұрын

These episodes are so cool! There was the Sahara Cave art episode, the Australian Megafauna episode, and now this one. I'm hoping there are more episodes to come about ancient artists and the cool animals that they drew.

@robertbeermanjr.2158

2 жыл бұрын

So Amazing! I could stare at those depictions for quite a while. The technique and shading. The musculature accuracy of the cheek. The concentration of the brow. To think that very early humans were capable of producing this level of quality and anatomical accuracy, this just fascinates me.

The fact that male cave lions lacked manes brings up some distinct questions about how different the social dynamics were between them and modern lions. Typically, modern male lions don't participate much in hunting once they become a pride leader, and their manes are used to intimidate other male lions from attacking their cubs. Since male cave lions clearly couldn't do that it begs the question of whether or not the social groups of cave lions were as strictly defined as modern lions. Tigers, for example, can sometimes form temporary groups and even hunt cooperatively if the immediate prey conditions are right, so perhaps cave lions operated in a similar manner where social hunting was more common than in tigers but prides were not genetically similar family groups and could disband and reform multiple times in context to local prey diversity and abundance.

@babygravey

2 жыл бұрын

Great analysis thanks

@flintandball6093

2 жыл бұрын

Not all populations of African lions have manes today.

@naamadossantossilva4736

2 жыл бұрын

Lions do hunt,it is just that they are bulkier and prefer more heavily wooded habitat that makes their kills harder to observe.

@neonspawn7

2 жыл бұрын

Just saying but modern subspecies of lions like the Barbary lion were studied as not living in prides but rather pairs of only one lioness and one lion as mates. They did not live in prides unlike African lions. Also Indian lions only the females form hunting groups, the male usually is solitary throughout its life.

@infinitemonkey917

2 жыл бұрын

@@neonspawn7 The Asiatic male lion has a less developed mane, so perhaps there is some correlation with the current African family unit. Apparently the Barbary lion had an impressive mane though. In either case it seems to relate to male vs male fighting success.

I share the fascination that ancient humans had with cats. Such a harmonious blend of power and grace. Large or small, cats are just remarkable to me.

@Lishadra

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that that fascination has been maintained is equally interesting!

@jaspersmom9595

2 жыл бұрын

Many women feel that way about cat's. I wonder if these ancient artists were women.

@KimberlyGreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaspersmom9595 Oh! That's an interesting hypothesis. 🤔

@jaspersmom9595

2 жыл бұрын

@@KimberlyGreen Women have always felt some kind of "spiritual" type connection to cat's. So it makes me wonder. Wolves seem to have an equal following of both sexes. Just my mind babbling, lol.

@jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491

2 жыл бұрын

yep much nicer than monkeys. we still sling excrement to each other - look at your cat's hands..

Can't wait for a video centred specifically on the Eurasian cave hyena. That bugger was literally _everywhere_ on the continent, and has one of the richest fossil records of any Pleistocene mammal, yet it is so often overlooked.

@becauseimafan

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh I'd definitely like to see that video!!

@z1az285

2 жыл бұрын

The eurasian cave hyena was the reason why humans couldn't migrate to North America from Beringia over the Bering strait. They could do so only after the hyeanas died out

@vergiliusbrutus7535

2 жыл бұрын

@@z1az285 source?

@z1az285

2 жыл бұрын

@@vergiliusbrutus7535 posted

@vergiliusbrutus7535

2 жыл бұрын

@@z1az285 you can just give me the title of the article and I can search for it! I'm interested in the hypothesis :)

The cave lion cubs where so exciting to me, I was overjoyed to see the find when it was announced, I feel sad for the babies and wonder what they went through but it's absolutely astounding that we have so many well preserved cubs.

@spindash64

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps thru them, Cave Lions may once again roam the earth Or maybe not

It’s interesting to note that the Löwenmensch figurine from Hohlenstein-Stadel isn’t the only one of its kind. Further southwest, a smaller figurine of a similar appearance was found in Hohle Fels (a cave which also housed a Venus figurine). Whatever the lion-human meant to those ancient people, it may have been a motif in their cultural group. I personally wonder if the lion wasn’t a sort of totem for the group, whether or not the figurines represent fur-clothed hunters or a lion-headed spirit or deity. I’m not an anthropologist though lol.

@jonaylahollisjh

2 жыл бұрын

This is actually how they explain these figurines in the Clan of the Cave bear books, the book I am named after. Although it's a fiction book, the author based a lot of the cultural elements in the book on possible explanations like this one. The cave lion is the totem of the main character Ayla, and is the second strongest of the totems. I've been wanting a cave lion video for a while now for this reason so I'm glad I finally get to know more about it.

@ammitthedevourer7316

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonaylahollisjh I’ve got the Valley of Horses but I want to find the first one before I start reading. Prehistory is such a cool setting for fiction.

@whitegold2960

2 жыл бұрын

Or they thought it looked funny

@ammitthedevourer7316

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitegold2960 I mean, maybe. With how little we know they _could_ have had a comedy cult where they paid the figurine in carved beads for just looking so goofy. I feel like cave art would be a better place to look for prehistoric humor, personally, if it’s gonna be preserved at all.

@DeathbyProxy

2 жыл бұрын

Ancient fursonas...

I was working on a site in northern Europe which had cave lion bones (according to the specialist I spoke with). I remember many of these caves had big scratches very high up in the cave much earlier than the evidence of the first people using the cave as a cemetery. I asked about the scratches and people doing work in other caves noted these scratches very high up as being a common site in the caves of the area. They had a very striking look. Most of these caves also had fragments of cave lion. Caves are incredibly significant in prehistory and so would the giant things that lived and died long ago within them. I suspect the cave lion lived in the human imagination much longer than it lived on earth.

@Timodj13

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have more info on this? I’m highly interested in hearing more

@syedshakaibanwar2698

Жыл бұрын

Probably the work of a Cave Bear, Cave Lions didn't really live in caves.

Cave Lions were always fascinating to me. The leonine family tree (modern lions, Cave lions, and American lions) was always interesting in just how important lions have been to human culture.

@thedukeofchutney468

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spear_of_the_Raven_Ash American Lions and Cave Lions are sister lineages of the Modern Lion. So from all genetic evidence they have no relation to jaguars aside from both being in the genus Panthera.

@minutemansam1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedukeofchutney468 *genus Panthera.

@thedukeofchutney468

2 жыл бұрын

@@minutemansam1214 Thank you, I don’t know why on earth I said family as that would clearly be Felidea.

@Jonas-jx3kw

Жыл бұрын

@@Spear_of_the_Raven_Ash bro there is literally a frozen cub cant you see these are lions?

@Jonas-jx3kw

Жыл бұрын

@@Spear_of_the_Raven_Ash bruh cave lion and american lion are closest relative to lions

Yes, Pleistocene megafauna! Prehistoric lions! Cave art! This is my favorite area of paleontology. Thank you, Eons … nailed it again!

I am so jealous that ancient people have seen such amazing long ago extinct animals. *edit: before YOU reply, please read the other replies. You probably misunderstood my comment and you don't know what you are talking about.

@sulam0166

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not. They had to compete with these animals and might have even had to fight them. Sounds scary.

@aredits3944

2 жыл бұрын

Yup from mammoths and giant wombats

@aredits3944

2 жыл бұрын

@@sulam0166 yes with arctorus and cave lions

@aredits3944

2 жыл бұрын

Much much more

@chainyrabbit

2 жыл бұрын

They're jealous of your fridge

Modern day lion: “Who are you?” Cave lion: “I’m you, but cooler.”

@siltyclayloam8739

2 жыл бұрын

hah, cooler

@ayoubmonno9662

2 жыл бұрын

@tigerLuverwrong. They also lived in the southern areas of the continent, as evidenced by the findings of fossils in Apulia, southern Italy.

@JonJon-vg2nv

2 жыл бұрын

@tigerLuver the cave lion (Panthera spelaea) was actually considerably larger than the modern lion (Panthera leo).

@JonJon-vg2nv

2 жыл бұрын

@tigerLuver lmao why are you so defensive? i never even said you were dumb. you have some self-esteem issues my guy 🤣

"Also they left their mark on us... " like, literally, we found human remains with cave lion chewing marks 😂

What a beautiful animal! One that will surely go down in time as one of the most amazing creatures that has ever lived. Could you do a video on the ceratopsians, creatures that surely deserve an episode!

@guyh.4553

2 жыл бұрын

I was too.... I just couldn't get my dumb phone to cast it!

one of the best episodes ever. It links paleontology with cultural history. Awesome

So basically, cave men from 30,000 years ago are better artists than I’ll ever be.

@awesomepixie419

Жыл бұрын

Not exactly cave men. Cave men is a slang term used for Neanderthals, a separate Homo species. They are just human. Our brains are pretty much the same hasn’t changed much since then. Living in the elements nature has a way of purifying species of all kinds.

@pluspiping

Жыл бұрын

They also probably had more free time on their hands to practice art than a lot of modern people

Lions, and Tigers, and Bears. Oh my. Thanks for sharing. Love your program.

This episode really highlights the quality of story telling the the team at Eons produces. Thank you for sharing so much!

The carving could be of a person wearing a lion skin, as I'm sure many have in the past.

@kellysouter4381

2 жыл бұрын

There does seem to be something inside the lions outer cover.

@swadswadlo3717

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I saw the same thing. I really don't think it could be anything else. Many ancients clothed themselves in objects that they revered, so it stands to reason they would want to take on the form of the most powerful creature in their surroundings.

@DonnaBarrHerself

2 жыл бұрын

HOW far back does the Herakles myth go?

@BarnacleBoy42069

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah probably, you'd have to be pretty badass to take down a cave lion back then so wearing it's pelt like that would be a huge status symbol

@Marcus-ux7ir

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe even a bear? it would make sense too since it's standing on two legs

About the ancient figurines of human forms with animal heads: it has been suggested by A.V. Atayan that they represent the insight of ancient mystics/priests/scientists (back then those roles weren't yet separate) that all life is interconnected, albeit the term "Evolution" wasn't around yet. He also mentions somewhere that with the Ancient Egyptian diety with a crocodile's head, the snout ends right above the point where our eye-to-hand coordination is centered, as an example that such figurines can show more than we'd expect at first sight.

The drawings of the cave lions at chauvet remind me of some modern art that gets critics all fired up. Even the fact that it has the french name, chauvet; "so fancy". Totally reminds me of the painting "Nude Descending a Staircase". Pretty amazing.

It fascinating that DNA research shed light on the diversity of lions, but I always liked the idea that the lion being one species stretched its habitat from Africa and Europe till South America. Seems the "lion" fossils from South America are now removed from the lion cluster and consider to be related to jaguars.

@martijn9568

2 жыл бұрын

Atleast wolves still exist living Africa, Asia, Europe and North America.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

@tigerLuver the idea that the lion (Pantera lion) was one species reaching as far as Peru I picked up in the Big Cats and their fossil relatives by Alan Turner 1997. That book was published before DNA reseach gave insight into the three seperated lion-species. The "South American lion" was an interpretation of the finding of the remains of of a large pantherine feline done in the late 19th century. Those finds are now consided to be a variant of the jaguar as Panthera onca mesembrina Read my post, it does not claim there was a species or subspecies of lions in South America, I just thought and liked the idea once, A 2017 paper The fossil American lion (Panthera atrox) in South America: Palaeobiogeographical implication by Chimento and Angolin does seem to support for an South America Panthera atrox, but it relies on morphology and not on DNA research. And it was DNA research that gave the seperation of the fossil lions into three closely related species.

@beastinfection638

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamion53 Panthera atrox (american lion) and Panthera spelaea (cave lion) were not actually lions. They were an entirely separate species from the lion (Panthera leo)

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

@@beastinfection638 Althrough the phylogeny of the big cats isn't as clear as wanted: some show the lion as closest related to the jaguar, others to the panther. the three species of lions are closer related to each other then to either jaguar or panther. Cave painting show big cats very simular to lions. We can safely consider the three to be lions, but three separate species of lions. But in science were are seldom dealing with absolutes, who knows what future research will show.

@beastinfection638

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamion53 when you say "panther", are you talking about the mountain lion?

Love this channel Also it still feels wrong to not have the “and Steve” at the end of the video, it just feels incomplete without it after it was there for so long

@rxpt0rs

2 жыл бұрын

I miss Steve. I hope he's doing okay.

@DFloyd84

2 жыл бұрын

@@rxpt0rs He got eaten by a cave lion. :(

@brianjensen5661

2 жыл бұрын

Who's Steve?

@emberandfriendsanimations2454

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianjensen5661 Steve was a patron that used to be named at the end of every video

@nquiztor

2 жыл бұрын

And, Steve.

Callie is my favorite Eons host. So cheerful and enthusiastic!

During the Pleistocene, whereever you went, its fauna was like that of Africa.

@VayliraKayvex

2 жыл бұрын

Not Australia, Madagascar, New Zealand and to a lesser extent South America lol

@gutemorcheln6134

3 ай бұрын

Yup, and then we came...

I saw the documentary where the cave lion cub was so well preserved it still had fur! and WHISKERS I might've cried over it

I just finished reading The Clan of the Cave Bear, where cave lions make an important appearance! I'm so excited for the science behind the story!

@jonaylahollisjh

2 жыл бұрын

My name actually comes from this book series so I've been waiting for an episode on cave lions for a while. I've recently been talking to people about a cave lion tattoo to honor Ayla's totem (since I don't think she gave Jonayla her own totem) so this video came out at a perfect time. Hope you enjoyed the book as much as my mom and I did.

@sebastian114

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly the person who wrote those books had a very strange view of that time. The books are decent but any historical value in them should not be trusted at all.

@ronnieakena7224

2 жыл бұрын

Ah! The sex novels

@sebastian114

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronnieakena7224 you are not wrong, had to skip most of the sex cause its so repetetive but aside from that they are decent.

@violetlight1548

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastian114 the first book *was* written in 1980. Science marches on. It wasn't bad for the time.

I love PBS Eons so much. A feeling of euphoria every time I watch your videos. So chock full of information yet so calming to watch. Thank you for the amazing content.

Somehow PBS Eons hosts have the perfect voices for communicating science to all ages. Like I know what your explaining already at times but I never get the feeling I'm being talked to like a toddler. If that make sense... At the same time I feel like an 8 year old child could easily follow along.

@MegaSockenschuss

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I can't stand the new host. Somehow she sounds conceited af. (and is f*ing wokie :D)

@kR-qj7rw

2 жыл бұрын

@@MegaSockenschuss mald

@MegaSockenschuss

2 жыл бұрын

@@kR-qj7rw 🤡

As always, right tone, clear story, everything wrapped up in a very entertaining clip. Thanks to Eons team.

Thank you ❤️ I absolutely loved this episode. It answered a lot of the questions I had about them and where they came from. Very very cool!

The cave lion pelt would have been a great winter coat as well as a status symbol for the wearer. The carving may not be a fantastic character but simply a person in the common garb of lion pelts.

Cave Lion: M E O W Weather: *Changes.* Cave Lion: *Ded.*

She has to be my favourite Eons presenter. Her voice is perfect for factural programs, great articulation.

Been hoping you guys would talk about these animals! As always great video !! Thanks guys ❤️

You guys have been knocking it out of the park lately. Excellent video

One of my favorite subject, please do more on large predators!

Videos like this are why I subscribed to this channel. I love the little details that a basic question like this lead to and the surprising results when good evidence is found and added to the initial mystery.

That makes me so sad to think about those little cubs who never got to grow up :( I mean thanks for the info and DNA, but sorry you had to go so soon :(

I really appreciate the nod not just to the evolution of the cave lion but also the evolution of our understanding of what this animal might be.

I've always kinda thought that figurine was maybe a carving of a chieftain or hunter with a cave lion headdress and fur.

There's never enough videos of ancient cats

One day, someone in the far future will find some random art piece made by some five year old and be like "this probably had some deep symbolic meaning to their culture that we will never know."

@nmarbletoe8210

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, the toy had deep symbolic meaning that even his parents didn't know. It was the gold medal given to Floof the Hippo for winning the Carpet Games and he also got a house on the couch and he was an astronomer.

Lions and tigers and bears oh my! It must’ve been absolutely fascinating and scary to be living in North America 50,000 years ago. One thing she does not mention is the astroid theory about an astroid or astroids hitting a Laurentide ice sheet causing its rapid melt which in turn caused the climate catastrophe of the younger dryas which led to the extinction of the megaphonic and disappearance of the Clovis people.

@gutemorcheln6134

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with the Younger Dryas (among some others) is that megafauna populations _rose_ after it. After all it was cold, something they could deal with very well. Climate resilience of the Pelistocene megafauna is widely underestimated, given the fact that climate changes were a usual phenomenon during the whole Quaternary. Blaming climate, not humans, as the primary driver of late-Pleistocene extinctions comes from a lack of scale.

@susangrande8142

2 жыл бұрын

Antonio Zamora, who’s an amateur geologist, has done a lot research and documentation about the theory that an (or 2,3, +?) asteroids struck the earth and caused the catastrophic Younger Dryas cooling event. They’re quite interesting and well done; he has a KZread channel if you’re interested. It’s my personal theory that that cataclysm wiped out the North American megafauna and most of the people living on the continent, at least in the range of the ice boulders that rained down and caused the Carolina bays and rain basins in the Nebraska Sand Hills. (I live in Nebraska). It’s a relatively common thing to find 11,000 year-old mammoth bones and teeth here that have been broken up at the time of the animal’s death.

@gutemorcheln6134

2 жыл бұрын

​@@susangrande8142 One thing I really don't like about American Quaternary extinction research is that it is always very Americentrist. Please don't take this personally, but if you're saying that the younger Dryas impact _might have_ killed the _American_ megafauna this doesn't tell us anything about extinctions in the Palearctic, Neotropics or Sahul. And if mammoths and horses were becoming _more_ common again after the Younger Dryas cooling event, for a short time, in Yukon it is simply inaccurate to say the impact obliterated the megafauna in an epic cataclysm. If the megafauna had died out from an impact alone, it should be expected that all the last mammoths died at once. Which is not true for Wrangel or Taymyr.

@susangrande8142

2 жыл бұрын

@@gutemorcheln6134 I’ve heard of the tiny Wrangel Island (AK) mammoths that died out well after their larger kin; I don’t know about mammoths anywhere else other than North America; I recall that mammoths have been found in permafrost in Siberia too. I’ve watched a lot of Mr. Zamora’s channel, and his focus is what is now the U.S. and the Laurentide ice sheet, and the impact of the asteroid there, creating what is now Saginaw Bay, MI. Where is Taymyr? I’ve watched other channels’ info about other aspects of the Younger Dryas cataclysm, particularly the other geological effects of the water displacements on the continent. I’d love to know more about wider effects of the asteroid impacts. That day the asteroids struck Earth was a really bad day! P.S. I’m guessing Mr. Zamora’s research is Americentric because he’s American. I take no offense. If geologists from other countries want to jump in and add to the research about that event, I say, the more the merrier!

@minutemansam1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@susangrande8142 He's an AMATEUR geologist. Not an expert geologist. That's a very big tell.

Kallie!!! Kallie!!!! Kallie!!! \o/ Best pun deliveries for "right meow" and "pawsome" =D Great presentter as well, like all Eons presenters

Fascinating episode - thank you

Curiosity killed the cave lion. And nothing brought it back.

You guys are amazing story tellers.

Science is so awesome. I love hearing new discoveries come out. I remember hearing about the frozen cave lion cubs but not the ensuing findings. Awesome.

I would love a talking about nimravids, those little pseudo-cats absolutely fascinate me!

Panthera spelaea, also known as the Eurasian cave lion, is the extinct genus of the lion that most likely evolved in Europe after the third Cromerian interglacial, less than 600,000 years ago. Panthera atrox, also known as the North American lions, is the extinct lion species that lived in North America during the Pleistocene epoch and Holocene epoch about 340,000 to 11,000 years ago. I want to know about the extinct hippos species.

@JustinShaedo

2 жыл бұрын

Well damn, now I want to know about the hippos too!!

@JJ-oq3tz

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinShaedo Me too

@shafqatishan437

2 жыл бұрын

💥

@JJ-oq3tz

Жыл бұрын

@@shafqatishan437 🔥

@JJ-oq3tz

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinShaedo We know that hippos is related to whales. But we want to know more how they exist.

My dad was in love with cave lion fossils, he spent years attempting to get some real teeth.

@NorthForkFisherman

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather have a good casting of one. Leave the real ones in the collections for study by professionals. Did he ever gat a real one?

Loved this, look forward to all these videos 🙂

Alternate hypothesis on that figurine: Someone in the tribe typically wore a lionskin cloak. This person had either a younger sibling, or child, or admirer... who carved a figurine of them... Plausible?

@Jason75913

2 жыл бұрын

100% wearing carnivore pelts probably inspired the outfits of the Aztec eagle, jaguar, and coyote knights

@muhammadeisa1459

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jason75913 plausible but not verifiable. If it were that easy, anthropology wouldn't exist.

@Jason75913

2 жыл бұрын

@@muhammadeisa1459 and without imagination and creativity, anthropologists would have less to look for and expect, same as with any science it's a shame about the lack of possibility to verify

Really interesting episode. I must check if you've done one about sabre-toothed cats - those beasts fascinate me

In Greek mythology, Hercules killed the Nemea lion. This was a big lion that terrorized the region of Nemea, an ancient site in the northeastern part of the Peloponnese in Greece. This makes one wonder how far back these "mythical" stories go.

The statue looks more like Heracles sporting the skin of the Nemean Lion. The ancient Greeks were know to have garnered much of their legend from older legends and then drawn them together to form their own mythology. Could it be that the story of Heracles and the Nemean Lion dates back to a much older tribal legend that was told in stone-age Germany over 40,000 years ago?

@costaliberta5969

7 ай бұрын

that's what every modern religion did. apart from hinduism.

What a fantastic episode! Love ice age megafauna!

Love Eons and the podcast so much! Recently took an invertebrate paleontology class and would love to see more videos about each of the earliest branches of life! I know you've got a few (sponges, echinoderms, squids, etc.) but would love to see some on hemichordates, ctenophores, byrozoans, brachiopods, etc. Thanks!

Just how close did the persons who painted the cave lions get to their subjects? Seems to me they were possibly stalking the same prey when it was suddenly realized that they were right next to the lions! Such close detail is really astonishing!

@metamon2704

Жыл бұрын

Probably, even to this day this happens in Africa where tribes actually steal the parts of the prey from lions by intimidating them.

Very well presented.

One of my favorite video ever ❣️ thanks!

Cave lion, cave bear, wolly cave rhino, cave dodo, cave mammoth, giant cave spider... The ice age was rough!

@MegaSockenschuss

2 жыл бұрын

New "Ark" DLC?

@brq267

2 жыл бұрын

Cave dodo? Giant cave spider? I've never heard of those ones

Last time i was this early, cave lions were still alive

I live just a few dozen km from the caves where these artefacts like the lion man were found :D Always glad to see them covered on this channel.

Seriously interesting stuff thank you

About time someone talked about them.

Awesome! I would love to hear more about the big cats in Europe like the European jaguar, the giant cheetah, Puma parodoides and Homotherium.

Siberia is an amazing place showing us animals from the past.

Amazing video thank you for telling us the real life story of the Cave Lion!

Ich gucke euch immer vorm einschlafen es ist immer super interessant und sehr gut erklärt :)

Man if only time travel was real. This stuff fascinates me and makes me wonder just what life was really like back then and what it would be like seeing these ice age animals out in the wild. Maybe one day it will be possible bc we have discovered many fossils from a lot of different species all throughout earths timeline but just judging on how many species there are today, we probably haven’t even scratched the surface of how many animal species there were in just one given time period let alone all of them throughout earths history

You’re telling me that we’ve more the age of DNA we’ve been able to sequence is more than 16 times the age since back when I was a kid and heard of this! That’s magnificent! A T. rex - chicken comparison made years ago is obviously far, far older but was done based on protein sequencing, because proteins are wayyyyy more stable, but the fact DNA survived enough to be even slightly sequenced for 1.6 million years instead of under 100,000 years is so amazing!

Always interesting, thank you.

What you carving Grug? - I am carving a lion rampant, Gog. - That no lion look to me, Grug! - Gog right, Grugs carvin bad, Grug hide his shame in a place where no-one ever find. some ice ages later -Yo guys you never guess what I just found, let's put it on display

@moosemaimer

2 жыл бұрын

Thag: _this is my Sonic character don't steal it_

Shoutout the the ancient cave artists who went out of their way to included genitalia on their artwork so we in their future could learn male cave lions didn't have manes!

great music selection for this one! loved it

You guys make the best videos!! 👍💪

There are other cultures with similar, though less ancient, mixtures of humans and animals. One postulation is that figures like these may depict a human simply wearing the head of the animal as a hat or mask. The level of detail makes it hard to prove or disprove that idea.

I wonder if the statue was less of a humanized/hybridized combo of lion and man and more of a depiction of a ritual or ceremony where someone wears the skin of a lion they killed. It mostly looks that way to me because there seems to be an opening where you can see the rounded part of the tusk, possibly to represent the head of the lion being worn like a hood with the person's face exposed. It could also depict some sort of animal spirit or deity as well, I suppose. Super cool either way!!

@nmarbletoe8210

2 жыл бұрын

Rescue Lion Remembers His Person After 13,000 years!

Amazing video.

Easily one of my favorite KZread channels

Plestocenic Megafauna always makes me sad. We could see them them alife today if we were a bit more carefull back them...

@osonhouston

2 жыл бұрын

At least the humans back then didn't understand their impact possible negative effect on the plant and wildlife. We however have no excuse for the hard we do.

@Hourvary

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, they were on the verge of extinction anyway. Pre-historic humans just hastened their demise.

@kellysouter4381

2 жыл бұрын

It's still happening.

@deheavon6670

2 жыл бұрын

It was the comet, my dudes. Nothing that could be done about it. Paleontologists are slowly coming around on it just like they came around on the cause of the K-Pg extinction event in the 80s.

Extremely interesting! This leads me to wonder Kallie what link there may be with the Sabertooth?

@rafaelfermin4619

2 жыл бұрын

Machairodonts and scimitar cats diverged from the modern felines around 20 million years ago

@guyh.4553

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtukufu I was thinking about did they utilize the land bridge as well? What I've found is that they are considered Cats. One thought is Lion the other is Tiger. That's the quandary.

@SarahGraceBennett

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtukufu Idk much but I know that the closest living relative of the sabertooth is the Clouded Leopard. It is a species of its own, unrelated to leopards.

@gutemorcheln6134

3 ай бұрын

@@SarahGraceBennett Well, that's only partly true. Clouded leopards (Neofelis diardi) are _morphologically_ fairly close to ancestral machairodontines. They are not sabertooths, but they might be on their way there. But they are not closely related to machairodonts, but instead make up the sister group to _Panthera_ which is the genus lions, leopards, tigers, jaguars and snow leopards belong to. Clouded leopards are not closer to the machairodontines than any other modern cat.

@gutemorcheln6134

3 ай бұрын

@@guyh.4553 Machairodonts originated in Afro-Eurasia and invaded the Amerikas via the Bering landbridge, yes. They also coexisted with and dominated the Felinae (conical-toothed "normal" cats) for most of their existence.

Great video!

This video was really amazing

Fun fact = According to Dr Larisa desantis she has said that prehistoric lions were solitary and they lacked manes. Maybe the climate they were living in forced them to live in a solitary lifestyle. There were also several studies suggested they were solitary.

@thedukeofchutney468

2 жыл бұрын

While I certainly can buy the maneless part I have a much harder time believing they were solitary. Most art shows them in groups, which are likely depictions of prides. Furthermore, the cave lion seems to have filled the same ecological niche as the modern lion. During the Ice Age, much of the world's steppe and open woodland ecosystems more closely resembled that of Africa's so this too would point towards them being social, or at least social for a feline.

@lycaonpictus9662

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't the cave art debunk that? It's clearly depicting social animals.

@minutemansam1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtukufu Lions are big and typically hunt prey smaller than themselves.

@Dragrath1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtukufu There isn't a hard distinction between solitary and social in modern panthera so it seems unlikely for their to have been a hard separation in extinct panthera species my guess would be that it varied based on conditions such as the availability of food and what type of prey they were pursuing. Cats as a general rule use scent markers to communicate (actually most mammals do in some form or another) and thus despite having large territories and not regularly meeting physically when solitary they are fully capable of shifting if conditions push them to do so. The real question should b e where did cave lions fall along the spectrum of sociability in cats?

@xenon3659

Жыл бұрын

@@thedukeofchutney468 well if we look at the dietary preference of the cave lions it usually resulted in a solitary behaviour.

The whole debate about the cave lion’s classification is pretty trivial when you think about it. It’s either Panthera leo spelaea; a subspecies that is almost the same animal as the modern lion, or Panthera spelaea, a sister species of Panthera leo that is almost the same animal as the modern lion. See? The recently found four frozen cave lion cubs from Siberia, including Sparta, who looks like a freshly dead animal, have cemented their nature as just being a northern variant of the lion in terms of appearance and likely behavior as well. The whole “cave tiger” thing was just an ill-conceived maverick theory that never went anywhere.

@syedshakaibanwar2698

Жыл бұрын

Cave Lions most likely had coats similar in thickness to Siberian Tigers, Lions in Russia also develop thicker fur when living there, although the cubs cannot survive in Russia.

This is so fascinating

"The figurine is beautiful" PFFFT! I nearly spat out my tea, good one PBS Eons.

its great that studying other species tells us more about our own evolution by answering or raising questions and forcing new assumptions about things we couldn't guess or know about past circumstances. In this case, a side factor like how there were two separate groups of cave lions geographically split, also overlaps with Neanderthal and denisovan's split from each other over the same geographic regions. it may indicate that during the original expansion of animal populations into ice age ecological zones, there were more stringent geographic limitations based on environmental factors we haven't figured out the details of yet. or behavioral patterns that we haven't thought of. maybe very few ice age species actually lived in northern climates full time, and most migrated into them seasonally during the warmer months, much in the same way that in modern populations of the same species in Africa, they only occupy certain places during the wet season, making long migrations dependent on wet or dry seasons.

@sherryd.3425

2 жыл бұрын

Very nice analysis.

There were lions in Europe especially the Balkans up until more recently. Ancient Greeks describe them in their writings. What species were those?

@tschandler2

2 жыл бұрын

Asiatic Lion

@minutemansam1214

2 жыл бұрын

Panthera leo leo, same as Asiatic lions, Barbary lions, and most other lion populations north of the equator.

Very interesting. Thanks!

wow, im in love! The plesticione AND my pretty PBS Plunker!!

American puma is much under appreciated - a truly majestic animal

I know this is interesting but what was scary was the cave bear 🐻., Actually there were several types of big cats out there in the ancient world but over time only a few survived but due to man stealing their habitat they're dying out as well.😥😓🥺😖😡

thank you

Man I love this channel