I don't know what they were thinking with "let's make a deck controller that isnt the deck layout" just looking at it you know everything wrong about it

I love CRKD and their products, but I can’t understand the Nitro Deck +… it feel like they rushed a « solution » for a minor problem. Also, on the business end… what do you do now in the future? Nitro deck or the Nitro Deck +? do you produce limited edition on both Nitro decks? Anyway… I might be wrong and I hope so since I really want CRKD to succed.

@AmateurSynthusiast

11 күн бұрын

It wasn’t a minor problem, the device was almost unplayable. Your right thumb was resting on it the entire time, even when you press the top buttons.

@JPJP62JPJP

11 күн бұрын

@@AmateurSynthusiast I get your point. But I’ve been using the OG Nitro deck for a couple of months and I have literally no issue with the stick placement. But I totally get that for some, it’s a bigger issue

@lewa3910

11 күн бұрын

@@AmateurSynthusiast I literally managed to fix the issue by just taking the spare stick top and cutting it smaller till its closer to the Gamecube sized C-stick, immediately fixed the issue for me, tho i still felt it was in abit too uncomfortable position, hence why i traded it for Mobapad's M6 joycons. Super comfortable in both hand held and as a controller! Tho i had to alter my joycongrip and remove its back so it was just the centre piece holding the joycons together, so there's still that issue. But i'll take it

@RukaIXR

10 күн бұрын

Which products from them do you like exactly, because they all seem to have a reputation of being super uncomfortable from what I've seen

@JPJP62JPJP

10 күн бұрын

@@RukaIXR OG nitro deck and NEO S Controller. The NEO S, they may not be as confortable as an xbox controller, but the retro vibes of it is just perfect in my opinion. I’ve been playing quite a lot of Zelda TOTK with it and never felt like my hands were cramped or uncomfortable.

Furthermore, both the Nitro Deck and the Nitro Deck Plus have the potential to cause scratches on the back of your Nintendo Switch during insertion and ejection.

@blitzerblazinoah6838

11 күн бұрын

Thank you for your input. I was looking to get a Nitro Deck or Nitro Deck+, but you and this review have convinced me to abandon this plan.

@ryanpena8450

10 күн бұрын

@@blitzerblazinoah6838Get mobapad m6 hd. Absolutely great product and the definitive joycon killer.

@Funem

10 күн бұрын

@@blitzerblazinoah6838 Had mine since it was released and dont have a singe scratch on my Switch

@oksure5963

10 күн бұрын

​@@blitzerblazinoah6838 you can try getting a retroflag perhaps? It may be made with cheaper plastic, but the pros outweight the cons. It has this velvety fabric to protect your switch from getting scratched, ergonomic design, lightweight, cheaper, and easier to buy worldwide.

@graysonwells21

10 күн бұрын

I’ve only had mine for 4 months and so far it hasn’t scratched my switch at all, albeit mine is still the OG 2017 model…

Satisfye and Mobapad M6 HD are best I think

@Drivenby

10 күн бұрын

I bought the mobapad and damn this thing is so good .

@JBarrett41

10 күн бұрын

Love the Satisfye!! So comfortable

@jamerv777smerf

10 күн бұрын

I've had satisfyfor years it's great and only like 25$. The mobo have peaked my interest lately I've seen numerous reviews. It's on my list👀. Soon as they get more colors🤦🏽

@RC10GT

10 күн бұрын

Love my Mobapad M6 HD so much. I bragged to my wife how much better it was, she stole it from me.

@XhoowieX

10 күн бұрын

Mobapad definitely for me. Satisfye is very comfortable, but you're stuck with the tiny joysticks.

Both sticks on top why they should have kept the right stick on the bottom and just did something like hori does with the stick and buttons

One awesome feature you missed talking about with the new Nitro Deck+ is all the complaints about it scratching the back of your switch when you insert it and remove it, especially on painted special edition switches.

I love my Steam controller for PC gaming. It only has two paddles on the back, but it didn't take me long to learn to use them. Doubling that might be harder, but I think it's something you can learn to use much more quickly than you'd think.

I like the placement of the analog sticks, but they look terrible. The Wii U GamePad and Pro Controller have convex tops on their sticks too, but they look way better than that. The Nitro Deck+ ones look too big around and cheap. And yeah, the face button thing really is a shame. They had the Wii U GamePad and Steam Deck to draw inspiration from. They could have used either of those layout styles for their face button placement. But nope: They chose the laziest option by merely swapping the positions of the right stick and the face buttons. On top of that, the overall plastic build looks cheap to me. I wasn't very interested in the Nitro Deck or the + to begin with, but now I'm even more glad that I went with the Mobapad M6 HD instead.

@sandman8920

6 күн бұрын

Actually the sticks are really comfortable. It’s a great product don’t listen to Alex.

Glad i traded my original deck for some Mobapad M6 joycons. Superior in every way, except for lack of dock feature, which i can live without. My main issue is the remappable buttons lacking stick axis inversion, both CRKD and Moba forget to add this compared to 8bitdo ultimate's which has that standard. Honestly i would've ignore all the Nitrodeck +'s problems if its remap feature included stick axis inversion, it just sucks that the original nitrodeck can't even have full button remapping as you're right, the right stick is probably better off on the bottom even tho i prefer it being on top. I just cut one of the spare stick tops into a gamecube c-stick nub and that fixed the issue of being in the way mostly when i pressed face buttons. They could've made some spare stick tops like that but they don't :(

I wish there was a official switch case like this, I don’t want third party devices

I just use Hori Split Pad Compact. Hands down, it’s the best way to play in handheld mode. It basically makes your OLED into a Switch Lite. When on the go, I almost never use my Joycons, unless I’m playing a vertical shmup game. If it had rumble and could read Amibos, the Split Pad Compact would be perfect. Still, it’s my favorite way to play in handheld mode. While it looks cool, I think I’m just going to pass on the Nitro and Nitro+. Still, thanks for the video. As always, you are fantastic!

@jamesrule1338

10 күн бұрын

Prefer the pro to the compact, but in general I'm happy with the controllers Hori has produced.

@brichan1851

10 күн бұрын

@@jamesrule1338 I’ve never used the pro. The compacts are a dream. Maybe I’ll find a pro and see.

Lmao I'm glad someone said it. Honestly you can just look at it and tell that it's worse smh🤦🏽. This why I love channels like these. Honest. Also glad someone said this: If they were gonna copy the Steam Deck they should've just went all the way in

@sandman8920

6 күн бұрын

Hardly honest when he hasn’t given it a chance. It’s incredible to use for fps games the app is fantastic and allows you to change any button to do whatever you want.

Please, someone just needs to copy the steam deck in controller form

I bought the original and returned it the same day. it's large, clunky, and significantly heavier than the switch by itself. There is also the fact that the "rumble" is just a one setting motor that shakes the controller uncontrollably. If you want a holder for your switch just get one of the 10$ plastic ones that you snap the switch into, They work 10x better imo

@Mukduck619

10 күн бұрын

I have the split pad pro which works great for me…

I still use my Hori Split Pad Pro since 2018. It does not have gyro that's true BUT it's one of the most comfortable controllers I ever used.

@sandman8920

6 күн бұрын

I found the face buttons unresponsive

@tomlion0116

6 күн бұрын

@@sandman8920 I don't have problems with mine and use it as much as my normal Joy-con's.

@twobitsnick

Күн бұрын

Lack of gyro is... not a small thing. I was actually thinking of getting them, and now I definitely won't.

@tomlion0116

Күн бұрын

@@twobitsnick Never said it's a small thing. I just don't use it, only for Switch Sports but that game is best experienced on TV. 😅

I’ve had the Nitro Deck + for a couple of weeks now. I would agree that it’s not perfect, the Steam Deck layout is much much better, however I don’t find it uncomfortable to use. I find that I can reach the triggers just fine when shifting my hand down to use the face buttons (for games that don’t use the right stick), and when I do need to use the right stick (say in tears of the kingdom) I found that using the back buttons took about 5 minutes of getting used to. I definitely get mileage may vary depending on the ergonomics of your hands, but that’s true to an extent with all controllers. It’s also rad that this works as a dock, and the Hall effect joysticks with swappable tops mean I’ll probably never use my joycons again outside of multiplayer. So personally I like it 🤷🏼‍♂️

@Brdo666

11 күн бұрын

Also, personally I like that there’s a bit of wiggle room in the bag because it also fits the much wider Steam Deck. So it’s handy if you’re like me and regularly use both on commutes

@Brdo666

11 күн бұрын

Btw not at the same time, just it’s nice to be able to use the same bag for the steam deck if I happen to want to bring that out instead of the switch

glad i’m not the only one immensely disappointed with the nitro deck. mine stopped working with my OLED, apparently a common thing because they didn’t bother to research compatibility enough

@keith9005

9 күн бұрын

That's gotta suck. I have had no issues, but thats probably cuz. I got the old model switch.

Love the original one, grip doesn't strain my hands like the switch does without it. Also Hall effect sticks - that and the grip is the point for me. I can't even go back to the joycons. Bought an on sale 8bitdo pro2 for more hall effect sticks bc omg finally they are in more than just my flightsticks

Is there a good/better controller option like the way the Nitro Deck applies itself as a wired Pro Controller? Only reason I bought the Nitro Deck was because I was fed up of using the Joy-Cons and having the sticks fail every other time I do and don't use them.

@mstickmanp

6 күн бұрын

I would recommend the Mobapads M6HD! Have all the features as the joy cons with HD rumble but have the ergonomics of a pro controller.

What is that at 5:56?

Got the flu, it's 3am, and Im upside down. Thank you for uploading

I must be the only one who actually enjoys this device. I liked it so much i bought multple for family lol Also, the sidekick buttons are a game-changer imo.

Came late to the switch party, bought an oled about a day before I learnt the next gen switch is being announced soon. In saying that I watched a bunch of your videos and saw the original nitro deck review, which made me visit their website to have a better look. Upon arriving on their homepage I saw that they had this plus version now available so I thought much the same as you did in that the stick was in the most awkward spot possible and that the plus must be a vast improvement. Fast forward to this week and I’ve got the switch in the new nitro deck plus and I’ve got to say that it is indeed the same issue with the face buttons, HOWEVER, I have learnt to use the rear buttons in their place and not having to take my thumbs off the sticks has been a game changer for me playing virtually anything. As a pretty average gamer never having used any special controllers before this I can honestly say that you should still pick this up if you enjoy your switch, I never use the side programmable buttons but I always use the rear ones. Hope this helps someone out.

Personally for me I rather use the first gen Nitro Deck than Joy Cons any day of the week. I’m more worried about the joy cons slipping out of the switch if I’m out with the device.

They revised the board to include an "out" USB-C port instead of just having an HDMI or mini HDMI port directly on it. WHY???

I’m still mad they haven’t added any padding or protection for the back of the switch.

No switch. Watching anyway

@AlexCFaulkner

11 күн бұрын

Really, after all these years why do you watch Nintendo life then?

@AmateurSynthusiast

11 күн бұрын

Big fan of Hawaiian shirts?

@sparkypack

11 күн бұрын

@@AlexCFaulkner because it's Detective Pikachu.

@kko9303

10 күн бұрын

Yo get dis boi an OLED or Lite

@brichan1851

10 күн бұрын

@ludwig2195 I have been gaming since 1983 with the Atari VCS/2600. I own, and have owned, so many different consoles, I can’t even remember everything throughout my lifetime. However, I can honestly say that the Switch might be my overall favorite system. I buy physical copies of everything I am interested in. I currently own 249 Switch carts with 8 more on the way from Super Rare, Limited Run, 1st Press, imported titles, etc. When I get digital games, it’s purely for games that aren’t available in physical form. My main draw is retro, as in arcade classics and NeoGeo games. I do Nintendo Switch Online and it’s a decent service, though I prefer the Virtual Console from the Wii days over it. But when I look at the library of games and see what the Switch is capable of, I can honestly say that it is my “go-to” system, even beating out PS5 and Xbox Series. Yes, they are far more powerful and give us 4K, Ray Tracing, and 60fps on almost everything, but the Switch is a dream come true for anyone who prefers a classic approach to gaming. Now, I’m old and I’m an old-school gamer. I love classics and I love modern titles. When I look at Sony and Microsoft, I can’t help but be disappointed. These systems are approaching the 5 year mark and we are JUST NOW starting to get exclusives that take advantage of the power available in both systems. Even still, that doesn’t mean these are great games. Just look at the mess that is Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League if you don’t believe me. If you are on the fence, I HIGHLY recommend getting a Switch. While we all know the Switch 2 (or whatever they’re going to call it) is on the horizon, and will probably have backward compatibility, I truly believe the Switch is going to be the greatest overall system for years to come. I’m no fanboy. I love games and have for over 41 years. I have owned and loved systems made by nearly every company out there. Atari, Commodore, SEGA, Sony, Microsoft, NEC, SNK, Nintendo… I go for the games more than the system. The Switch just offers so much; either in the palm of your hand, or on your TV. Most importantly, you can download games you want, but don’t HAVE to, like with the Steam Deck. You have so many options to game the way YOU want. She’s not the most powerful. She’s not the newest. She’s not perfect. But if you are looking for the best overall system with (in my humble opinion) the greatest library of games ever made available, the Nintendo Switch is the system for you. Get one. It is 100% worth it.

How could they possibly think that switching places would solve anything?

I was suckered into pre ordering the first version of this last year. And your review told me that not buying the new version was the right choice. On the original version... 1. I hated the plastic feel of the shoulder buttons 2. I hated how "long" the analog sticks are. It feels like I have to move them twice as far to get the same effect as a regular pro/Xbox/PlayStation controller analog stick. 3. The right stick placement essentially made most games uncomfortable to play at least. Sure CRKD makes a premium looking product. But it's a garbage premium looking product.

@XiaoPichu

10 күн бұрын

The Tesla of JoyCon replacements XD

I use an original nitro deck as my daily driver. Other than scratching up my Switch (which is whatever, it’s year one system and I’m not too protective of how it looks so long as the screen is nice) the obvious way to improve the controller is to make it wider to have a diagonal offset for the sticks and buttons. Unsure who approved this upgrade cause it’s…just not one.

I'm shocked that they just flipped the sticks & buttons not thinking it wouldn't be just as uncomfortable in their first product. Their NEO S controller has a proper layout & I'm not sure why that wasn't transferred over to their main product. Oh well, may the third time will be the charm.

Please consider the Fixture S1/S2 or Mobapad M6 HD for better alternatives

It could be worse, it could've been a Madcatz controller from the 2000s.

I bought the original ND and I’m very happy with the button and stick placements . My only complaint with the new and old model is the placement of the Dpad it should have been a bit higher and closer to the left stick on both units .. other then that it’s a great product

In my opinion the face buttons will be used way more than the right stick so I prefer having right stick on the bottom

I wish they went with a slightly wider design to offset the buttons and stick and d-pad and stick on the other side. A pro controller setup would have been perfect.

I’ve always wondered why they didn’t make it a bit wider and use the steam deck layout. Sure it would be noticeably bigger but it’s not exactly pocketable as it is

they need to shrink the left stick; regardless if they have it positioned above or below the face buttons.

I can't use any controller that doesn't have fairly large ergonomic palmgrips. I got into the Switch ecosystem right when the OLED came out, bought third-party controllers with the largest palm bumps I could find, and they've been flawless since I got them. Don't even know where my joycons are. Also tried a Powkiddy RGB30 and found it unusable due to poor ergos.

If you get the optional stick pack, there is a pair of tops that make the stick shorter, with more grip, which makes using the ABXY buttons easier to use and makes the whole deck feel better for the controls.

@Mukduck619

10 күн бұрын

So pay extra for basic functionality and comfort? Will stick to my split pad pro….

Major oof. Skipped the last gen version because of the sticks, so almost pre-ordered this one. Glad I didn't

I bought the original crystal green and love it. The normal joycons, the skull and co grips and the xbox style joycons all gave me hand cramps after 30min, nitro deck doesn't and i have big hands. Each to their own i guess.

Other issues aside, the whole reason I love back buttons on other controllers is that they mean I can leave both thumbs on the sticks and never touch the face buttons.

I don't share your complaints and I have fairly large hands. I also like Pro controllers and like the back buttons, so I adapted to the Nitro Deck + rather easily. I like it so far.

@techkingonline

10 күн бұрын

Im the same, 6ft 7, huge hands, love my nitro deck +. differnt folks different strokes though.

@Sainte305

10 күн бұрын

@@techkingonline I’m just used to the ergonomics of it I guess, but yeah, we’re all different!

@TheRoleModel

9 күн бұрын

@@techkingonline 6 ft 8, LOVED the nitro deck and want the nitro deck plus but everyones crying about it, so hard to buy haha

Great review Alex. I have to say that I loved the first nitro deck (EXCEPT THAT IT STOPPED CONNECTING TO MY OLED A MONTH IN). I'm 6'6" with hands to match, and it was transcendently more comfortable (especially playing shooters) than joycons. It was so nice not having to be worried about being too rough with the joycons and inducing drift. Now I use a satisfye grip, and yeah I'd just recommend that.

I have the old one and love it, you right the new one are worst then the old one. The face button important for me😂

I have big hands and I like mine. But if the buttons were moved over a little in or out. It would be perfect!

My Satisfye grip works just fine for me. I'm a simple man.

Still happy with my first gen Satisfye grip.

I had the original version of this but just couldn't get over that thumbstick placement. Ended up selling it on ebay for a small loss - I hope the buyer likes it more than I did. I really wanted to.

My Switch has barely left the original Nitro deck, because it's the best Switch accessory I've played. I just wish they'd get rid of the back buttons. The dpad and the sticks are incredible.

Interesting. I've always really liked the wii u gamepad button/stick layout. And I love translucent plastic for controllers/consoles. But it still sounds less than ideal.

How is this different to the layout of the actual switch? Buttons and analogues stacked on top of each other???

@mstickmanp

6 күн бұрын

That’s the problem and why a lot of people look for an alternative. The official joy cons are uncomfortable for most.

@DavidSuperDaveBenge

23 сағат бұрын

@@mstickmanp people with baby hands can use the joy cons lol but i love my nitrodeck i also loved my hori split pad pro. but they didn't have motion control or vibration.

I’ve actually gone backwards and started using my joycons after avoiding using them completely. I have the first Nitro Deck and yes the right thumb stick placement and now right side button placement is still not correct. I think I’m going with the Hori split pads,the Gengar ones. And I totally agree, late to the Switch party.

I bought the original and hated it because of the placement of the right stick (as Alex mentions). I took the risk - I had a voucher and most reviews were good - but Alex was completely right. I definitely won't be trying this one. It's amazing how many hugely positive reviews they got on the original. And a lot of those reviews didn't even mention the right stick issue.

@incognitod8444

10 күн бұрын

why's it an issue for this device but not the Switch in general (when in handheld mode). Help me understand!

Where do you want them to move the action buttons? To a suburb three miles away? Something has got to be in that position.

A fix to not get scratch’s is to GENTLY take it out and only take it out when it needs to charge

I actually really like the Nitro Deck+ vs the Nitro Deck. I’ve reviewed a lot of gimmicks in this category and I’m happy with them. The Satisfy Grip used to be my go to but you are still stuck using joy cons. This is comfortable and sturdy. My biggest issue with the first version was how close the buttons were to the thumb stick which made me hit the joystick when using the face buttons. It’s better than playing the switch with most of the accessories out there.

I still don't understand the market for this thing when the Split Pad Compact exists. And, like, dozens of other third party detachable joy con style controllers that are probably better than this thing.

Wow. Never even imagined Alex could ever grill something SO very intensely. But see, I bought the first one and even a second one (limited edition) -I love it so much! So, I was "kinda" right...? 😄 You're still the best Alex! Love your videos always!

The original is great especially because my switch R) side rail is broken and no longer registers in hand held mode. This gave me a quick inexpensive fix that allows me to play in hand hold. I have large hands and don’t feel cramped using the system.

I had the nd + for 2 weeks now. No scratches on the back, dock mode works, the button layout does take time to get ise too but I like it. Is it the best, no, bit its not terrible to me. The OG dock was hard to handle. But this new dock reminds me of the WII U pad and the other buttons on the back come in handy for certain. games. I will say if this had the steam deck layout there would be zero complaints

I hope for April Fool’s Alex gets all you can eat waffles so we can determine exactly how many waffles are required before he thinks it’s too many waffles

It creates versatility with controllers. And back buttons are goated too. Your thumbs don’t feel as fatigued.

I like mine, but it’s pretty much just a grip for shooters. I think the SteamDeck pretty much nailed the ideal layout for a handheld

I'm still going strong on the original deck-yes, the right stick is uncomfortable, but I've found that most of the games I want to play portably don't rely on the right stick much at all. Played through Personas 3, 4 and 5 completely on the deck and found it to be a very pleasant experience.

Hello there LOVELY Nintendo Life! I've been interested about CRKD Nitro Deck over a year since last year's Summer Game Fest 2023 it's first Reveal with IGN and FINALLY I bought my first Nitro Deck and just in the same time when CRKD Relased Nitro Deck + in june, but if it's even worse i'm glad to have the Original Nitro Deck on my Nintendo Switch what I've bought just in last week at Nitro Deck + launch. I like more OG Nitro Deck because it have it's joysticks on the same positions than on Nintendo Switch, but as a Wii U gamer too I like Nitro Deck + have a joysticks on the same position like on a Wii U so maybe I'll buy and try Nitro Deck + too Nitro Deck is one of my reason why it's so great to be Nintendo Switch gamer: Here we GOO! 🎉😊❤

I only could use it with the back buttons. I got the Nyxi hyperion pro a week later, much better

Play quake 2 with it then you’ll see how awesome it is.

Love my original deck. Didn't have any issues with the stick layout 🤷‍♂️

Doshin the Giant taking pride of place on the shelf.

I actually really like the product. The only caveat is getting used to and adapting to using the back buttons instead of the face buttons and I feel like using them with the sticks is great!

I use the Retroflag. It's comfy to hold imo. I didn't try the Nitro Deck cause mainly for it's price.

I’m sad to hear this as I almost picked one up, but my Satisfye grip is perfect for me. So comfortable and easy to slide on and off. Love it!

I use the Hori Slip bad compact. The dragon quest slime edition. Very comfortable, very nice looking, works docked, fits in most cases, very good D-pad, and programmable back buttons

I’ve clocked around 35 hours using the original nitro deck in MH Rise… and I’ve loved it. It’s my main way to play at the moment. I don’t know if it’s my hands or yours but clearly that should be CRKD’s problem to address. I will say I added Skull and Co grips and that added additional comfort to the right stick not that I had the issue to begin with that’s just how I play on all my controllers

I love my original blue nitro deck, but holy crap. I got a good laugh when I saw where the face buttons were.

People complain if both sticks are on top or if both sticks are not on top, people just choose what you prefer

Name of the background music

I feel the exact same way. I’ve tried discussing this in their discord server and it’s crazy how many people are defending this thing saying “but it’s what the fans wanted!” That’s such a shitty excuse. Like you said they should’ve realized how uncomfortable it was and just given up on the idea instead of trying to force people to rely on the stupid back buttons. I don’t know why this company is so damn committed to keeping the buttons and sticks symmetrical. This thing is already bulky as hell so adding space for them to be slanted wouldn’t be a huge deal. This and emphasizing the dumbass virtual collectable garbage is such a bad look. Really hoping they get their act together for the switch 2 cause there’s so much potential

Ain't sliding my Oled scarlet violet or any switch in that matter, as the nito deck scratching the back of your system is definitely a real thing 😢

Yea idk why I thought the swap of the face buttons and joystick would make thing any better. I opened mine, and instantly thought this is just and bad, and immediately had buyers remorse.

2:08 and consequential close ups creased me 😅

If they went full steam deck or playstation layout it would of been a better product. I personally hate the xbox layout for versatility, but every single joy con replacement uses it. And i mean replacing the joycons strapped to the switch, i do own a rather lovely SN30 for docked.

Mobapad M6 HD's!!! You'll never look back boys and girls and them/theys...

they should go for the asymmetrical grip design like what Satisfye did. seriously that fixes all the problem that you are talking about Oh nvm.. you did mentioned it hahaha

I've never heard Alex so irritated over anything 😂😂

Wait, what is a wash bag?? 🤔

@duttfisch

11 күн бұрын

A bag that you put your toothbrush, toothpaste and other toiletries into when you travel somewhere 😄 So you have everything in one spot (and they're often somewhat waterproof as Alex has said)

Still nothing has surpassed a satisfy grip but even that’s just a bandaid. Next controllers need to take ergonomics into account

Just got mine... Hope the title isn't that bad 😂

I've had satisfyfor years it's great and only like 25$. The mobo have peaked my interest lately I've seen numerous reviews. It's on my list👀. Soon as they get more colors🤦🏽

I don’t have much of an issue with either one. Most Nintendo games utilize the buttons than joystick. This is really the first time I’m hearing of this issue. I have 4 nitro decks and a nitro deck plus and I have no issue.

If you’re mad about moving the problem where else are you supposed to put the a,b,x,y ?

What is it with companies making worse Wii U GamePads these days?

Thumbs up for the Moe background.

I wish I could return mine. I bought the plus and it’s horrible.

I mean, you could basically copy the wii u gamepad layout, it's right there.

Regarding the criticism of the position of the face buttons (or right-stick on the original version), don't these exact criticisms also apply to the Switch in its natural state anyway?

Ironically, I think the concept of this being both a controller and dock was done By Nexigo Gripcon

Yeah that’s why i already find the regular one comfortable and the right stick and dpad is perfect imo