If you are considering buying this there are affiliate links in the description…. And a cheeky 10% off discount code to say thanks!

thanks for testing a scan inside the engine bay, this would be one of the most important feature of a 3d scanner in an automotive application personally

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

You’re welcome, the issue with the engine bay scans is they are tricky and rarely look good compared to a subject on a turntable… glad you enjoyed it!

Liked for being made aware of the word 'greebling'.

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

I must pass the credit onto AvE…

Now time for a comparsion for all of the latest top models, EinScan vs Raptor vs Otter

@nendhang

7 күн бұрын

hell yeah

@SaifBinAdhed

7 күн бұрын

no comparison between industrial and consumer level scanners. always EinScan, I am not a fanboy, I just tried both, EinScan has a more all round package, creality will not support their products beyond one year, the software is way below par.

@MrGTAmodsgerman

7 күн бұрын

@@SaifBinAdhed Well but it looks like the Otter at least comes with way better overall features then an EinScan. And that's where everyone can decide based on own perferences. Hence why it would worth showing a comparsion. Especially when Creality makes something that is technically almost on professional level.

@SaifBinAdhed

7 күн бұрын

@@MrGTAmodsgerman I tried both, I stated my opinion, I wish that people realize that creality is a company that lives on trends, once that trend dies, so does the product. why should I invest in a product that the company will not support long term. I'd like to see one product from creality from five years ago that still has support today

@xiangwang4464

6 күн бұрын

@@MrGTAmodsgerman EinScan 3D scanners are designed for users to enhance working efficiency, otter scanning can scan good features, but if you would like to get a professional experience, EinScan is better.

I got one. Have been using the Creality Lizard and the Artec Leo. But I was really stunned! The ease of use and the software is almost turn key results. Where scanners have troubles on thin sheet metal corners (scanning from outside to inside) the Raptor had no problems, the use of markers is the key. I'm impressed.

I have scanned that exact arduino to make exact fitting case fittings, for the custom dashboard and such. Right on, brotherrrr!!

It’s amazing :) using it for 2 weeks. My new favourite tool

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

Great to hear!

Thanks for the review. How would the software and firmware update influence the discrepancy in tolerances seen on the 1x2x3 sample test?

Thanks for the review, there is so little out there about the Raptor right now. 14:21 Your comparison shows that the laser scanner is a different animal 😂 in this regard BUT I feel that the NIR part falls behind. The Raptor is not to be considered an upgrade to the Otter but a totally different unit with its own strengths and weaknesses.

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

You’re bang on the money… the NIR is behind the Otter and Einstar. And they are different tools for different applications…

I tested connecting the scanner to a power bank and it was very successful.

FINALLY a review of this scanner that's been out for a year, but somehow only had paid demos and spokespeople talking about out.

I'm super happy with my einstar. Thanks for the review

Nice review! I got the Scan Lizard via the Kickstarter and have honestly been pretty impressed with the performance (provided the object being scanned is properly prepped, i.e., non-reflective and not hairy, haha...). I mostly work with small objects (action figure stuff and similarly sized items). It works decently especially with the newer software. The software is still buggy, and getting multiple scans to merge properly is a challenge...but I'm usually able to get everything I need in just one scan, fortunately.

Love these reviews. Still on the fence - i used a Kinect for scanning a car 9 years ago and have yet to use another scanner. Are you really goingh to give a shout out for guessing the bike carbs on the mini, presumably heading towards ITBs?

Thanks for the review, first decent one on the raptor ive seen! In you experience with all the scanners you've used what would you recommend for full car scans (body, wheel arches, underbody) im mainly looking between the einstar, raptor or otter

@Todestelzer

3 күн бұрын

Raptor isn’t made for full car body scans. I would chose the Einstar or Otter if you do it regularly. The Otter has the advantage to scan black and metal parts without scanning spray. The Einstar has the better software but needs a powerful PC.

Thanks for another great review, only thing holding me back from getting a scanner is the computer hardware requirements, what's most important Ram? Cpu? Cheers mate

@RPJuniorBr-gw6np

8 күн бұрын

You don't need that much hardware for now... I used the maximum software capabilities. At the end I received a message saying that I reached the max data points (it's not the warning message) and the scan process stopped. It consumed around 16GB of RAM even with 64 GB in total. No need of a top end CPU either for the scanning process but post processing is another thing.

Great video, still not convinced to get one due to price but watching closely. I think you are working on a controller for a water/alcohol injection system into intake - that what I want too!

1:23 - "We're being hunted..." (best Muldoon voice)

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

I couldn’t resist!

@phillyphil1513

8 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport LOL

This is the first of your videos which I've seen, but have you ever tried using "dulling spray" (from film/video production) on the shiny surfaces prior to scanning?

It came, it finally came!

@MakingforMotorsport

7 күн бұрын

Enjoy!

Did you make your marker targets or buy them?

What Ziess inspection software are you running? Is it the full version?

I have a macbook pro max M3 (use it mostly for photo/video editing, cad and 3D sculpting), I know that SHINING 3D doesn't want to implement an IOS version for the Einstar, would you say that the Raptor or the Otter or any other scanner working with ios you could recommend for small to medium objects to scan? Right now I'm doing photogrammetry with meshroom to convert into a 3D print.

Could you use NIR to capture the large portion of a vehicle and then the blue light to capture the fine details like mounting holes, etc?

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

Absolutely!

Why doesn't it recognise markers and replace them with the flat surface underneath?

Great video. One question I do have though. I’m looking to make custom cosmetic parts, splitters, bumpers, wing perhaps, etc. The accuracy of the lasers is appealing but is this mode able to do large items, such as a bumper, well enough to reverse engineer? would this be possible to achieve with the smaller sticky markers like the professional laser scanners use? Thanks!

@MakingforMotorsport

2 күн бұрын

Certainly doable, it would just take a while to stick them on and take them off again…. I absolutely hate the process so I use the 3D printed magnetic ones

@kane0508LCAC

2 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport I’d only get it done professionally as I have done in the past, which results in same stickers. If you think the blue laser can do a full bumper to a good accurate standard then it’s tedium I’m willing to accept ha!

Nice! I was waiting for this video. I even turned on notifications!! Haha. Would have liked a video showing some reverse engineering capabilities. Bolt hole bores, edges, general cavities and offset faces.

@MakingforMotorsport

7 күн бұрын

A lot of that is hanging on the 3rd party software capabilities, which Creality scan was never meant for… but keep your eye out for the next video as I’ll be using some of the scans I took…

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@zolimotorsport look at the 1-2-3 block scan in the vid. The Raptor is really good scanning holes and cavities in laser mode compared to NIR scanners.

@zolimotorsport

7 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport I’ll keep the notifications on!

next video suggestion: show us how to scan a complete cast aluminium engine or a shiny crankshaft...please

Which would you choose being the best for engine bay/suspension/general car part scanning usage, Otter/Raptor/Einstar? Here in Australia, the Otter is about the same price as the Einstar, about 1400$AU.

@3dkiwi920

8 күн бұрын

Einstar, I get 0.3mm VOLUMETRIC accuracy on parts over 1m long, not very good for small parts, amazing for panels.

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@riverracer Einstar or Otter. Einstar has the better software but it’s only good for bigger scans. Otter can scan black or shiny parts better. It also can scan small to big parts.

Thanks for these reviews! They are really informative. The one question I have, though, is: of all the 3D scanners you've tried, which one is the overall best?

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

For ease of use and simplicity, the Einstar is my favorite, but try to scan something small and you’ll want to smash it into bits. The otter is a close 2nd as it just does everything….

@AlexmireaRomania

6 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport so the Raptor is worse than Einstar and Otter?

Which one did you find better? The Einstar or the Raptor?

What is the file format the scanner outputs?

Next vid, designing a intake manifold for the mini , if not, it should !!

where did you buy your turntable?

Thanks for the video. With so many saying the einstar is better for pricepoint i think i will wait for this raptor to go on sale before i purchase. But i am familiar with blue light scanning in industry and know that it is an advantage over other consumer products. We use blue light scans to guide our robots to build cars. If a sale goes for this product id love to get one.

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

If the blue light isn’t needed for the application then I’d agree with many commenters the Einstar is better, the NIR isn’t as good. But, the blue light gives this a weapon the Einstar can’t match!

@rollincoal1987

7 күн бұрын

@MakingforMotorsport agreed. Somethings you need the finer details on. And with the ability to do both in one package, that really is a game changer for the consumer market for this type of product.

@shustillerajcoomar4033

2 күн бұрын

​@@MakingforMotorsport in terms of scan quality. Which do you recommend. I'm torn between the raptor and einstar

Are you putting motorcycle carbs on the mini? I mean I would assume you were scanning them and the space to fit ITBs and EFI but if you're just going to replace the carbs with ITBs, why would you scan the carbs?

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

This is definitely close enough to get a shout out… All will be revealed soon 👍

Okay... (excluding price point) between the Einstar, Raptor and Otter - which scanner is your preference for ease of use, versatility, fidelity, and best software. Let's assume we are doing some reverse engineering and motorhead work. Is the Einstar still king? Thanks for the videos ;-)

after watching your video I bought one , there are nice promotions on the site , even a combo with a resin printer. Frankly I have a creality lizard that was great but quite limited but given the competition. I bought a tidy2 revopoint last week and I did not like it at all, not disappointed but does not match to make the small to the large. And frankly, compared to créality, revopoint products are very, very expensive.

Next project could be EFI conversion?

Does' spraying shiny surfaces with mist help?

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@Spedley_2142 sure it helps but most of the time the raptor can scan the parts without using scanning spray. I scanned a Flir one pro thermal camera yesterday and I only needed a short spray on the small sides (left and right) of it. The part is entirely black.

Need help. Sorry, I use a translator. You tested various scanners and I don't understand what you are saying in the videos - is there a cheaper and better (or equally good) scanner from RAPTOR?

Revopoint miraco pro needs to be your next video please please please and how you think about not having to have a computer to drag around everywhere

Raptor for small to medium and Otter/Einstar for big stuff. I use the Einstar software to post process the Raptor scans. To be fair with the creality alignment/merging tool, cloud compare isn’t better in automatically align the scans. Creality software is deleting original scans after merging and you can’t use orthogonal view for deleting unwanted point cloud data. Opening a previews scan can take 10min. AMD 5900x, SSD or RAM disk, 64gb RAM. Additional you get a RAM warning when scanning wich pauses the scan, even when I have still 40gb RAM left.

@MakingforMotorsport

7 күн бұрын

Haven’t tried using ExStar to process the Creality scans… 🤔

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport yeah works great. You can import the cloud point data. Revoscan 5 works too. Only issue is you can’t merge cloud points with Exstar software.

@TheBiscuitsandGravy

7 күн бұрын

I'm deciding between the einstar and raptor, also considering waiting a bit to see einstar's response. I haven't used either, but I have a lot of time on a creaform handyscan black. Can you output or input a STL file with either creality or einstar software? Creaform has it's own file type and you can pay extra to import directly to Solidworks(probably others too). From there I'd save everything as an STL so I had a 'universal' file for future use. I'm definitely more interested in whichever software can bring in one of those STLs so I can add to it. Do either softwares allow you to make a duplicate of a scan while editing so you can retain your original(since Creality's software deletes it)? How is the feature generation? Does it do ok at creating planes from surfaces? Can it create a circle on a plane from picking up a cylindrical hole? How about orienting a part in space?

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@TheBiscuitsandGravy Exstar scanning software has tools to create planes, lines and points and can do a alignment to xyz coordinate system but it’s NOT a reverse engineering Programm. These programs cost couple thousands of dollars unfortunately. But it can load a point cloud generated by Creality scan software. There is no merging/alignment for multiple cloud points I’m aware of. The Einstar can’t scan small parts like a game controller very well and has problems pick up black parts and the accuracy isn’t as good. The Raptor software has to improved. The scanner can scan very small parts and has little problems with black or metal parts but it needs markers for scanning in laser mode. It’s not as good with big objects as the Einstar.

@RPJunior_br

2 күн бұрын

The same with me. I also have 64GB and it stops the process after some amount of data. But the laser scan is amazing... I am trying to get used to CloudCompare to post process the point cloud... Powerful and open source...

My guess: Are you making a plenum for fitting a supercharger?

Bike engine in the mini?

Let's go!

In terms of scan quality, is the raptor better than the Einstar

Would like to see you review the Creality Ferret

does the laser mode dangerous in face scanning?

@Todestelzer

3 күн бұрын

You would have to cover the face with markers in laser mode 😂 Use NIR or better use the Otter with NIR because it pic up more details.

The clever girl seems like a clever choice minus the software. My guess if you are going to try and put a set of bike carbs and ITBs on the back on the mini motor?

Hope you can make a video and try out Kiri Engine a 3d scanner apps on your automobile project which you can easily scan anything just with your mobile phone. Most importantly the apps is free. Cheers!

The Gairadge!

Raptor VS Otter is it worth paying 500 extra?

This is awesome. Definitely seems like it's accurate enough for automotive use. I just wish Creality would lean towards fewer higher quality updates instead of more smaller ones. Any idea if they're ever going to have a wireless one?

@chublez

8 күн бұрын

No

@aarond3219

3 күн бұрын

As far as I know, Creality will soon have a wireless solution

Has anybody have frame drop Problems with raptor? It works very well but has frame drop from 50fps to 20fps in the middle of scanning.

Are you making a chair like George Clooney made in burn after reading?

What are your thoughts on Creality Raptor V EInstar at this level? I feel a downside to Einstar is that you need an Nvidia GPU!

@sprlpy318

8 күн бұрын

Otter better einstar, raptor better x2

@3dkiwi920

8 күн бұрын

Einstar is amazing for car panels.

@sprlpy318

8 күн бұрын

@@3dkiwi920 lol

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@SgtMajor82 I wouldn’t compare Einstar / Raptor. Einstar / Otter do have the same use cases where Otter can scan small objects too.

next video - bike carbs and 3d modelled and printed intake

A 3d scanner is on my wish list. But the quality still seems to be improving rapidly.

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

Compared the first one I got 2.5 years ago the accuracy has improved slightly but they are much easier to use…

@katywalker8322

7 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport suspect I would need to factor in the price of a new pc.

🤔 How does rf targets work?

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

The they reflect the IR light the scanner produces, this gives the scanner very bright points of reference to track the movement of the scanner and subject to build up the scan. Scanners usually need to see at least 4 or 5 to be able to track, and if the scannner has a narrow field of view and you have a large subject, you can need hundreds of these markers…

The newer software seems to align better as well.

The next video is SURELY an Einstar and Raptor shoot out.

Would you say this is better than Einstar ?

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

“Better” is a difficult concept. M Big stuff in NIR, the Einsrar wins hands down Small stuff and Raptor wins, and that’s without even turning on the Blue laser… 😂

Bike carbs on the Mini 👍 Something i want to try with a v8 one day.

@MakingforMotorsport

7 күн бұрын

Just gotta get stuck in, give it a go! (And your guess gets a mention!)

So... Raptor or Einstar for car parts / car bodies?

@3dkiwi920

8 күн бұрын

Einstar.

@jonwebb9261

8 күн бұрын

Einstars software is on another level to creality

@1977meteor

7 күн бұрын

I need to scan a boat and based on watching these videos I'm going for the Einstar over the Raptor, and saving a few hundred quid at the same time.

@3dkiwi920

7 күн бұрын

@@1977meteor Solid choice, you'll want a lot of markers, but the software is the best of the lot.

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@johnrobie9694 Einstar or Otter. Raptor isn’t for scanning bigger parts. FOV is narrow in laser or NIR mode.

Yea, ok you conviced me, enjoy your affiliate contribution. Been waiting for a month for this and missed a local sale on it. But it will be on sale again. at 1300 Eur its worth it over the Einscan.

vs einstar?

The software update blocks at 26 percent when trying to mesh the point cloud. This is incredibly frustrating and wastes so much time. It is a huge problem that needs fixing.

Einstar still slaps it for price by a long shot. I get 0.3mm volumetric accuracy over 1m parts.

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

I’ve never got that accuracy out the EinStar but it’s been a while since I tested it… if you don’t use the blue light on the Raptor it’s EinStar or Otter…

Fly by wire on the itb for the BMW.

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

Oooh… not this time… but I want to, sounds like a cool project

@daan3996

7 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport I did it with a itb setup on a Subaru with a speeduino. Made an actuator from a fbw throttle body. Working superb

@daan3996

7 күн бұрын

BTW the fbw is a stand alone controller only a pwm input from the speeduino for idle control

My raptor crashed multiple times during manual merging, and the software has become slow and unreliable after the latest update. Seriously, it needs a lot of improvement to be usable.

6:04 this

What is THE best scanner in this price range though? All these youtubers making reviews with free items sent to them but they cant pick a winner? Honestly this review might as well be "i used it, it was ok"

@MakingforMotorsport

7 күн бұрын

That’s like buying a Car magazine and expecting them to tell you what the best car is… which is ridiculous. They don’t do that, they state the facts and figures and give opinions, to make YOU an informed buyer and make the better choice. Because they are writing the review for everyone reading, regardless of their requirements. A Ferrari is pretty good but useless if you want a minivan. But, unlike a car magazine, you can easily put a comment, so tell me your application and I’ll give you my opinion on the best scanner for you.

@OmnipresntGaming

6 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport Sorry but pretty weak analogy to say the least, buying a car has thousands of variables; whereas there realistically is only three or four options for 3D scanners in and around the 1500 bracket which you are reviewing. My comment isn't actually asking for advice, but thank you; it is addressing the fact that some content creators create vague reviews disguised with detail. Because rather than giving a legitimate honest opinion. They keep it vague and hope people will click their affiliate link. Because who cares 🤷🏼‍♂️

So I would keep the otter or einstar. Doesn't seem to be worth the +500€

new air intake box/motorcycle carbs

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

That gets a shout out!

Aligning scans is an absolute nightmare. Even a slight misalignment ruins the entire process, and it feels like there might be a bug in the software. This needs to be fixed urgently.

Is this channel purely for 3D scanner reviews now?

The software lacks basic user-friendly features and does not support ultrawide monitors, making it very frustrating to use for detailed work. This is such a huge letdown.

I love my einstar, and I'm never buying anything from creality after getting screwed with the lizard and then not even being able to sell it cause no one wanted that trash. The einstar software is so good too

The raptor requires an insanely powerful PC to work properly, and even then, the software is super unstable and unreliable. It is really hard to justify the high cost when the performance is this bad.

when wil this channel be about motorsport and not about 3d printer and scanners?

@MakingforMotorsport

8 күн бұрын

I get your pain, but it’s a fact that my lowest viewed videos are my blog posts around events or the car build, meanwhile my Reverse Engineering vid has over half a million views 🤷‍♂️

@brunokc100

7 күн бұрын

@@MakingforMotorsport yes but cant we get both?

Oof...those scans arent really any better than anything we had before detail-wise. right on par with the revoscan stuff and honestly...their stuff sucks. The whole line, absolute trash. (ive literally tested pop2 mini2 their controllable turntable and the Miraco and I cant imagine theres gonna be a lot of difference between them considering they all take very low quality, low detail (too low for printing) scans.

too expensive

Great news for people playing with dolls. I'm interested in REAL WORLD scanning of cars, engine bays, etcetera to make real money designing REAL stuff. Screw this doll crap!!! Will someone PLEASE make a real scanner? P.L.E.A.S.E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

@@nicklockard if you want a professional scanner buy the Einscan HX. Next best would be the Creality Raptor or Einstar/Otter for bigger stuff.

@MakingforMotorsport

6 күн бұрын

And spend ten times the money!

@MakingforMotorsport

6 күн бұрын

I don’t know what you mean about “real” scanner, but maybe you are expecting the results from a £50k Creaform…. If so, go buy one of those. If you want to spend £1k then this the pool you have to paddle in… I know many people using these consumer scanners to make real products to make money.

For that price... not worthy

@Dotec3D

8 күн бұрын

+1

@Todestelzer

7 күн бұрын

There isn’t any other scanner under 10k how can scan as detailed and deep as the Raptor. But yeah it’s an investment.

@jonwebb9261

7 күн бұрын

What's the price?

@Dotec3D

7 күн бұрын

@@jonwebb9261 with the discounts: Otter: 870€ Raptor: 1440€

@OmnipresntGaming

7 күн бұрын

​@@jonwebb92611600 euro

This channel has just switched to shilling scanners, I'm done.

Your building Arduino based RC.