'Humanity' had already lost by the time this conference began. At this point, humanity had pretty much broken down. Lest we forget, in 1941 the Germans were focusing on killing undesirables with pistols and sledgehammers and starvation. The Soviets were utilizing terror and summary executions to motivate a will to resist...the Americans were using concentration camps on Americans of Japanese descent, the Japanese were utilizing biological and chemical warfare on the civilian population in China... What is horrifying is that the Conference depicted here is an attempt to bring some ordnung to the ongoing chaos...because in the chaos there were signs that the ordinary German was becoming unwilling to do what was necessary to enact the 'Final' solution. German soldiers were finding that they could not actually continue with the killings in the same way. So...the killing was industrialized. Bureaucracy was created to ease the passage of evil. Truly, humanity is terrifying.

@williemays2

2 ай бұрын

how sad that Israel is now carrying out a new genocide after all the jewish people have been through. you would think they knew better

@davidmarowske4243

Ай бұрын

Humanity lost the war before it even started. The moment the regime was able to reduce a person's worth or standing below that of other people allowed the regime to proceed down this course. With each step, starting with the Enabling Act, then the Civil Service Law, and then on to the Nuremburg Laws, humanity was further reduced and the barbarism of the regime became justified in its eyes.

@ryantaylor3805

2 күн бұрын

Humanity isn't terrifying. It's idiotic.

Any movie that updates this drama for a new generation has my support. Having said that, the 2002 Branagh movie does an excellent job of bringing this historical fact to a wider, global audience owing to the fact that it is in English, and most of the people here can watch it without having to read the subtitles. One of the advantages I find that the 1984 German version has, aside from an excellent cast of notable German actors working at the time, is the fact that anybody who understands German can't help but be struck by the euphemistic and technocratic language used in that meeting. It serves the purpose of hiding mass slaughter behind the language of implementing bureaucracy on a level that puts this version above the later one.

@hilarylawrence4588

8 ай бұрын

Subtitles? Nope, never been a problem for me at least, and I can read subtitles in 6 languages.

@carlhicksjr8401

8 ай бұрын

My 40-year-old Straßedeutsch was simply not up to it, but I did try to see the German version and you make a fair point. Even in a room of fanatic anti-Semites, the conference attendees just couldn't or wouldn't use the words 'murder' or 'exterminate'. I think that 2001's 'Conspiracy' did a good job conveying that bit of parsing the language even in English.

@davidlasdon457

7 ай бұрын

As good as that movie was there's something sanitizing watching a movie with British and American actors creating the characters. Presenting the evil of Reinhard Heydrich in the language he spoke provides an intense reality.

@carlhicksjr8401

7 ай бұрын

@@davidlasdon457 You make a valid point, and one that I agree with. But on the other hand subtitles don't convey the sheer workaday banality of the Conference for English speakers. I really think that the attempt to plan something this monstrous as if it was a normal high level business meeting is the vital point that needs to be gotten across to all audiences. This was not a 'plot' or 'conspiracy', it was a program. The Holocaust was a matter of national policy and every single ministry of German government was complicit in it.

@darkgalaxy5548

6 ай бұрын

Other than being very cheap to make (some Nazi uniforms & a sound studio) no real point to this movie, it's been done in English & German. It's sort of like a remake of Das Boot.

This movie was already made and shown on HBO in 2001 or 2002. Stanley Tucci played Eichman and Kenneth Branaugh played Heydrich.

@Kiwi-Ahh-Nah

9 ай бұрын

So?

@MartheenCahyaPaulo

9 ай бұрын

The 2001 HBO-BBC collaboration was a remake of the German's 1984 adaptation. I guess in 2040s it will be the Anglo's turn.

@MWayne-zz1cr

9 ай бұрын

Their German wasn't very good though, in fact it sounded just like English. These guys seem a lot better.

@allisnotwhatitseems.

9 ай бұрын

What was it called

@mindhost

9 ай бұрын

Conspiracy

I paid a visit to the Wannsee house when I was in Berlin a couple of weeks ago its well worth a visit if your there its free of charge and easy to get to just take the S bahn train no 7 at Berlin Hauptbahnhof going in the direction of Potsdam and get off at Wannsee station, After you get off the train just get the no 114 bus which is a loopline route which is outside the station and it will take you straight there,When returning back to the S bahn station after you have paid a visit to the house just get the bus at the same stop which it left you off at as I say the no 114 bus is a loopline route.

@danceyrselfkleen

11 ай бұрын

if youre a nazi worshiper just say so

@michaelmcwilliams5475

9 ай бұрын

Is it a private house or do they have a museum there?

@ruairicoburn8410

9 ай бұрын

@@michaelmcwilliams5475 The house is the museum in some of the rooms there are information boards detailing what happened there.

@user-cc6kd5ye9y

9 ай бұрын

Strange the house was not blown up after the war.

@ruairicoburn8410

9 ай бұрын

Allies probaly wanted to keep it as a reminder for future generations@@user-cc6kd5ye9y

I watched 'Conspiracy' with Kenneth Branagh...most of it took place in a conference room. The drama and compromises were stunning. An amazing movie...about people deciding the most inhuman horrors...one small step at a time. A "must see".

@tmaverich

8 ай бұрын

but they speak english in the movie

@msumode4493

8 ай бұрын

​@@tmaverichGermans spoke English in 2001.

@Silvia-kh2ul

7 ай бұрын

It is a ver good movie👍

There was a very good film I saw years ago with Kenneth Branagh that was about this. Fascinating story.

As excellent as the British movie was, this is much more real and terrifying. Maybe it's the language, or less British theatrics, and more German minimalism, but this movie represents the horror of it all so much more effectively.

Die Wannseekonferenz (German film 1984) is the film to watch.

The 'Conspiracy" movie in english was soooo good. That movie started my interest in WW2 books. Which led to all the bios.. The acting in that movie was epic af!

@mattiethesurfer

11 ай бұрын

Yup! Love “Conspiracy”.

@crimony3054

9 ай бұрын

He didn't stammer at all that day!

@mcchannel1736

9 ай бұрын

Where can I find this movie please

@wanrazul

9 ай бұрын

Yup. Kenneth Branagh and Stanley Tucci were awesome in that one. This Conference movie is just a cheap knockoff in comparison.

@themaninthesuit5729

9 ай бұрын

Well said, Sir. Conspiracy is my favorite movie of all time. It is a textbook study in group think, and a film like 'Twelve Angry Men' that could be acted in a high school auditorium.

In 2001 HBO made the movie "Conspiracy", starring Kenneth Branaugh, Stanley Tucci, and Colin Firth about the Wannsee Conference.

I saw the HBO movie with full of talented actors. It was very tough story, but the film itself was very good.

@joelwillems4081

Жыл бұрын

Really very good. The lives of millions of people decided in a couple of hours. And humanizes some of the nazis who had second thoughts, but not enough to stop anything.

@itsblitz4437

Жыл бұрын

They were too afraid or just too indoctrinated to stop what is to come.

@greenhillburma

11 ай бұрын

@@joelwillems4081 I'm confused. Which ones in it seemed to have had second thoughts?

@danz1182

9 ай бұрын

​@@greenhillburmayou are right that 2nd thoughts is too strong, but it did a good job in setting the distinction between the prime movers like Heydrich and those who clearly knew it was wrong but went along anyway (the guy Colin Firth played, for example). They are no less culpable for that, but it dsmonstrates the mixture of evil and weakness that lead to a genocide.

@greenhillburma

9 ай бұрын

@@danz1182 I can't disagree with your point of view here. I just want to point out that what Stuggart was suggesting was also genocide in auch more attenuated fashion. Essentially, that all agreed on 'getting rid of the Jewish contamination'.

Conspiracy frrom 2001 was as close to anperfect film as I've seen. Will definitely try this one.

This is the third movie of the same event. The first one was German, second one from the USA and the third once again from Germany again. The first one is the best.

@coldwater5707

5 ай бұрын

Something tells it won’t be anywhere NEAR the last.

Heydrich: "Sitting again at that table, I will ask for your agreement to what has been proposed." Kreutzinger: "And I must answer now?" Heydrich: "Oh you will answer now or you will answer... later" Conspiracy, 2002

@Broncort1

7 ай бұрын

Meanwhile the head of the Gestapo is sitting at the table, right??

Been there, done that with Conspiracy already, which was and is so utterly terrifying because instead of drama, it played it as a very successful and well run executive meeting.

@scottixp

9 ай бұрын

No shit, I use it OFTEN as an example of how we should run things at work.

@casyatbat

8 ай бұрын

Have you been here, history wise? The North American Indian Holocaust - Kahentinetha Horn *The "final solution" of the North American Indian problem was the model for the subsequent Jewish holocaust and South African apartheid.* *The term "Final Solution" was not coined by the Nazis. It was Indian Affairs Superintendent, Duncan Campbell Scott, Canada's Adolph Eichmann, who in April 1910 plotted out the planned murder to take care of the "Indian problem",* Hitler was surprised the Americans were upset with what they were doing to the Jews. Keep in mind they killed gypsies, pagans and atheists for their non belief in Jesus. Hitler admired the US on how they treated the "lesser" races of Black - Brown and the Jews. Why is the biggest holocaust in all humanity being hidden from history? Is it because it lasted so long that it has become a habit? It's been well documented that the killing of Indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere since the beginning of colonization has been estimated at 120 million. Yet nobody wants to speak about it. Today historians, anthropologists and archaeologists are revealing that information on this holocaust is being deliberately eliminated from the knowledge base and consciousness of North Americans and the world. A completely false picture is being painted of our people as suffering from social ills of our own making. It could be argued that the loss of 120 million from 1500 to 1800 isn't the same as the loss of 6 million people during World War II. Can 6 million in 1945 be compared to 1 million in 1500? School children are still being taught that large areas of North America are uninhabited as if this land belongs to no one and never did. The role of our ancestors as caretakers is constantly and habitually overlooked by colonial society.

@joeeagles7528

7 ай бұрын

Been there, done that with Die Wannseekonferenz in 1984.

@kinalbrien6357

6 ай бұрын

but this movie does the same thing basically. it isnt overdramatized.

Does anyone know where you can watch this ??? Can’t find it anywhere online!

Excelent cast. The actors show their inner concern of this meeting. Sad, but true.

The german version "Die Wannsee Konferenz" from 1984 was the best one.

@scottslotterbeck3796

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@leonblittle226

Жыл бұрын

The BBC edition was better - Conspiracy

@moley3109

Жыл бұрын

Agreed: the actor who played Heydrich in the 1984 version was phenomenal: portraying him as a man of total authority and confidence who talked about utter evil in a complete matter-of-fact manner. Terrifying but true to life.

Basically they remade 1984's Die Wannseekonferenz

I watched conspiracy when I was younger but I had a hard time understanding it because it was so different than what I was used to. But as I grew older and looked back on that film I could not help but be terrified.

This makes the second German movie on the Wannsee Conference and third overall.

Does anyone know where you can watch this online?

Conspiracy was excellent, excellent cast,superb acting,I loved it,if it aint broken,don't fix it.

@heristyono4755

9 ай бұрын

Conspiracy was a masterpiece. This one gonna have a hard time surpassing that.

@TheMotomuras

9 ай бұрын

But this one's in German! LOL

@alex20776a

9 ай бұрын

Kenneth Branagh acting was flawlesss

@cwg9238

9 ай бұрын

natsies bad has to be drummed every year

@carlosrivas1629

9 ай бұрын

nice to hear it german.

It’s just not the same without Colin Firth shouting “I WROTE THAT LAW!”

@nfzed

9 ай бұрын

Problem with that it was dramatized because the viewers expected this conference the absolute horrible so everyone has to behave over dramatic. Reality as shown here was much more horrible. It was a routine conference. Some piece of government politics needed to be enacted and this conference was just there to smooth the differences between the ministries. What is horrible is that this conference, aside the topic was nothing special, those type of conferences happened and are happening all the times , everywhere. The most natural reflex of a civil servant when having to enact a policy where there is overlap with another department, set up an interdepartmental committee

@donhawthorne8493

9 ай бұрын

He might have been the most toweringly evil man of anyone at that conference. Branagh’s character was happy to follow heinous, inhuman, genocidal orders; Firth’s character was convinced he could make them mere points of law.

@barbarafox3099

9 ай бұрын

Firth has one of my favorite lines in that film. When Klopfer says, with quiet menace, "I'll remember you," Firth's Stuckart counters, just as quietly, with, "You should. I'm very well-known." My female students are often thrilled to see that Colin Firth is in "Conspiracy".

@bobbylee2853

2 ай бұрын

He also criminalized a marriage between a man and woman with red hair. As if that would stop Gingers.😅

Available anywhere with English subtitles?

I watched the original German version this, "Die Wannsee Conference" 1984. It was excellent and this look similar.

@jamesirbensonmum3514

9 ай бұрын

I prefer the 1984 version in terms of acting and atmosphere (more like it might have been in reality), but the 2022 version seems to be more historically correct, e.g. the portrayal of Wilhelm Stuckart.

@barborablaskova

3 ай бұрын

yes this was the best version, but it´s hard to get in some countries, you could get Conspiracy(2001) much more easily, but honestly my nephew said he won´t watch such old movie(one from 2001), but he want to watch this one from 2022, which is same plot, but still "new is better" according to this generation and if it´s necessary make a new one for this generation, it´s still better than let it be forgotten

Thanks to the comments on this one - I went back to watch the 2002 Branagh movie as recommended. This should be shown in schools so no one forgets. Even with the events going on today its hard to comprehend such monsters could exist.

Conspiracy is available on Max and I've watched it several times. It's excellent. But, sure, I'll watch another version of the same thing, especially if it's done in German. It's a fascinating topic and I'm curious to see how the current German generation interprets this part of history.

@randolphgarcia3494

Ай бұрын

BRIEF BLOG: The 2001 version of this HBO film & the 1984 version of the same horrifying topic has been available on DVD for sometime now. I also know this most recent film is also available online for purchase(Price is: $14.00 US dollars). Great films in their own right Re: this WW-2 conference(lasted less than 4 hours so they claim!), which truly can be called the Banality of Evil as similar to Hannah Arendt's book w/the same title but focusing on the Eichmann trial in 1961 in Jerusalem.

I didn't know there was a most recent film in 2022. I need to watch this movie 🎥

@fernie988

10 ай бұрын

Which one

The Wannsee conference was one spine-chilling meeting.

@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq.

9 ай бұрын

Sure, according to the victorious allies who had every incentive to doctor and propagandize details regarding their sworn enemies while covering their own asses for war crimes.

@Baebon6259

9 ай бұрын

@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. then perhaps Germany should have fought a little harder? Or maybe Hitler should have stop meddling in military affairs?

@keith6706

9 ай бұрын

@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. With all due respect, namely none, take your Nazi-apologist ass and get lost.

@sodarkherhair78

9 ай бұрын

​@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. Spot on !

@Kleicomolo

9 ай бұрын

The conference was well-documented. In it Heydrich specified precisely how many people were to be killed and with what method, down to the nearest tenth.

Not gonna lie, when they said humanity lost the war, I thought it was going to be some alien occupation type stuff.

There was a German tv movie made in 1884 made from the direct transcription - chilling

@MetokurStuff

5 ай бұрын

Hot damn, must have been ahead of it's time!

where can i watch this?

I saw here the familiar faces of the actors from the wonderful German TV series Babylon-Berlin.

Where can see this?!?

Where can I find this movie?

Is this made by the same production crew and creative team as Downfall???

Did they write the screenplay from the meeting minutes, or is it just the wild imaginations of the writers?

@Wilhelm4131

4 ай бұрын

Imagination

@cornfednebraskaneer

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. We have no assurance any of this is remotely true.

@kurtdorr8080

2 күн бұрын

From the meeting minutes, which still exist.

@Orxbane

2 күн бұрын

@@kurtdorr8080 Yeah, let's see them. There are no actual documents that lay out the supposed plan for the "solution" and I doubt this film is going to be based solely on any actual meeting minutes taken at this conference, because it doesn't say what the Chosenites contend it says.

@cornfednebraskaneer

Күн бұрын

@@kurtdorr8080 well, that isn't true

Would love to see this, but it's in PAL format... Which doesn't work in the US.... :(

Where can we see this in the UK/Ireland

This looks like a retelling of the HBO film ”Conspiracy”, which is good. It is important that this story remain in people’s minds, and it is good to see it made as a German film.

@ledeyabaklykova

9 ай бұрын

Well the other adaptation is the one made for German TV in 1984. It is very good, captivatingly chilling. The dialog is mostly verbatim, the filmmakers say, from the minutes of the meeting. It is also available in full, with English subtitles, on KZread. Title is “Die Wanseekonferenz” .

the actual wannsee conference was only 90 min long. It took them 90 min to decide something so enormous and disastrous... the movie is longer than the actual conference... let that sink in.

This movie is excellent and was on free television in Germany. Many will look at the movie Conspiracy - but this one is a take from German filmmakers aside the one from the 80s. It shows bureaucracy at its most lethal form. And it is actually a movie which shows the pride of the single institutions at work - as well as the humanity of those inhuman persons responsible.

Когда снимают немцы о своей истории - это особое искусство. Очень изысканно, величественно, ни одной лишней детали.

@Lastoutrider

9 ай бұрын

What does it sound like then Russian talk about theirs?

@nadinfilin7826

9 ай бұрын

@@Lastoutrider I don't watch Russian films - I don't like them, I don't like them…

@Lastoutrider

9 ай бұрын

@@nadinfilin7826 You think the Conference is a german film? It's whitewashed crap.

@timbo7064

9 ай бұрын

As a German, thank you very much for your compliment. We strive to make sure that the horrors caused by the Nazi regime will never be forgotten and never be repeated.

@Lastoutrider

9 ай бұрын

@@timbo7064 The horror of the Nazi regime are themselves a repeat.

I don't know whether I will take the time to watch this in German. Having watched two previous renderings of the same event, I doubt I'd be learning anything new anyway. *I DO LIKE THE TIMING OF THIS RELEASE NOW* that a similar gathering, planning the future of Humanity is almost certainly taking place _(or has already taken place)_ somewhere, though perhaps not in the German language.

I thought the meeting was at a conference table and not a U-Shape set up. Also, there was no female secretary in room taking notes. Just a few of the errors.

@khuret1773

6 ай бұрын

2001 HBO/BBC production was spot on, regarding the event. Although they say some liberties in making the film was also taken

@Wings80

6 ай бұрын

@@khuret1773 I agree.

@Wilhelm4131

4 ай бұрын

The script is purely imaginary sine they burned the transcripts so there is no way of knowing what actually took place

@Koshiro2k3

3 ай бұрын

There was definitely a female secretary (possibly more than one), as we now know. She is also correctly named in the new movie as Ingeburg Werlemann. The idea that the secretary was male stems from a mishearing at Eichmann's trial in Israel.

Nothing like a trailer which gives you PRECISELY ZERO INFO OF WHEN IT RELEASES. Why on earth has this not been released in the US?!

@tralalaah

10 ай бұрын

I already watched it. It's excellent

@marccru

9 ай бұрын

still nothing in the states

@joliecide

9 ай бұрын

Coz they realized another movie had already been made by HBO decades ago.

@mrn234

2 ай бұрын

@@joliecide Has more something to do with the fact that non US/UK production have simply a hard time on the US market. They would rather do a US "remake"

Where can I find this ? I know the Branagh film is excellent. I'd like to see this German production though.

How to watch in the U.K.?

When is this movie coming out? I am in America!

I'd watch it. All those folks going on and on about Conspiracy are kind of missing the point.

You will never beat Ken B. for cool scary-ness.

I have to be honest, this film just can’t hold a candle to ‘Conspiracy’.

@montanus777

11 ай бұрын

"conspiracy" is a caricature of the actual events with the typical 'good-guys-vs-bad-guys'-BS. it's aimed at a 'less informed audience', that cannot tell apart a gauleiter from a sturmbannführer and doesn't care too much about historical accuracy. the two worst parts are that it a) completely misses heydrich's point of being in control, _but at the same time_ making the others responsible for the decisions as well. and b) it depicts eichmann as a tyrannical superior, instead of the 'banal clerk' he was.

@ruhri0411

11 ай бұрын

You can't be serious, this 2001 rendition is so bad compared to the two German productions. Just one example: Dr. Gerhard Klopfer is portrayed in the English production as a fat pig who is constantly looking for food. The real Klopfer was a Nazi pig, but very slim and highly trained. Conspiracy can never be as good as this new German production, it was shot in English.

@alexmorris5028

11 ай бұрын

I disagree. Branagh (to my opinion) played the Heydrich character all wrong. IRL he was more felicitous, especially with SS comrades. Oh, it was insincere, but it was there. Branagh made him into a caricature. Again, and this is my opinion only, the portrayal of Heydrich in Conspiracy belied much of the true evil, or as Hannah Arendt characterized it, "The Banality of Evil" that was so well personified in the actual Heydrich even more so than in Arendt's subject, Eichmann. As an interesting aside, Heydrich's father (Bruno) was a popular and well known, if not in some circles renowned, Opera singer and composer. In his Opera "AMEN", there is a song called "Reinhards Verbrechen" (Reinhard's Crime)! Talk about foreshadowing of things to come.

@chong2389

9 ай бұрын

'Conspiracy' was made for Anglo/American consumption. It's in English, it has well known award winning celebrities starring in it (who are not German), and although its source material are transcripts from the event, it is still from the Anglo-American perspective. These things provide a 'comfort level' that may have influenced your opinion? While not a documentary, the subject matter is based on historical events. It is not a remake of 'The Little Mermaid'. At the end of the day, does it give any insight into the German perception of that part of their history? Does it tell the same story as the other film? Other than it's artistic presentation, how did it make you feel about the participants? Which one had the greater emotional impact?

@ruhri0411

9 ай бұрын

@@chong2389 Although German is my mother tongue, I prefer to watch English-language films and series in English only. Since I don't know all the idioms in English, I run subtitles. The experience of watching a film in the original language is simply much better. It is the same in this case, a film about the Wannsee Conference is only really authentic in German. It would be ridiculous if German TV made a film about Churchill in German. The Conference was produced for German TV to mark the 80th anniversary of the conference. Since this topic is also of international interest, this film was also distributed internationally. I have seen all three editions, I definitely like the current German one best.

Funny how everyone here mentions "conspiracy" as if it was the first movie that did this topic this way, because it was not. The first movie was the 1981 german film "Wannsee conference", "conspiracy" is just a knock off from that one

I don’t get it? Why make this movie a third time if you don’t at least have actors who look like the people they are playing. I don’t see how else it could be better than 2001 cuz the acting in that movie was top tier imo.

why remake this, we already got a stars ridden version back in 2003

All in all, between the 1984 TV movie, the 2001 English HBO adaptation, and this 2022 current film, the only one choice among the three. Which style of table do you prefer?

So if I was in Canada, how would I watch this...?

There is an excellent English language version with Kevin Branagh

@Darwinek

4 ай бұрын

Kevin, Kenneth's evil twin brother?

Thank you for sharing this amazing and very enjoyable trailer. I liked it. PEACE. --- Merci d'avoir partagé cette bande-annonce étonnante et très agréable. Je l'ai aimé. PAIX.

I liked the first one, but it makes sense to a have a performance in Gerrman - it's more accurate.

This will be the 3rd film on the matter. Is this necessary?

Is this "The Final Solution"?

This movie is neither available on Netflix nor on Amazon Prime in India.

@tipsvillawithashif1451

8 ай бұрын

Available on Netflix

That's crazy just about a month ago my brother in law and I saw Conspiracy and we were both saying how we would like a film about the same subject matter except with a German cast speaking in German with English subtitles. I'm so down for this.

@mrn234

2 ай бұрын

There is also a good one from 1984

This conference only lasted 2 hours

Why is there no diversity in the cast ??

The actor playing Heydrich , dosen't resemble him one bit! First and foremost Heydrich was blond, and his looks here does not give him credit. Remember years ago, there was a series called 'Auschwitz . The nazis and the final solution ' A bbc documentary on the development of Auschwitz cocentration camp. And interesting documentary. In one of the episodes they showed an reenactment of the wannsee conference, a very short one. With very few dialogue, it was just to make point of the conference. The actor there that played Heydrich was very convincing. He resembled Reinhard Heydrich more then any movie i have seen. Another thing is the ss uniform Heydrich wearing here. The symbol above the left chest pocket ,i have never seen the real Heydrich's uniform . He is also lacking most of the medals on the same (left) pocket. Also he is also without the SD cufflinks symbol on the left arm. Strange, since he was the highest chief of all security apparatuses in the Reich security main office, after Himmler! And of course the SD, which he took over/ created back in 1931.

@DjinnGuru

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, most actors ever cast for Heydrich in film (except one, Detlef Bothe, who I believe you referred to, he played Heydrich in 3 films) haven't at all resembled him in any way. Heydrich had a very distinct, almost weirdly Asiatic look that's hard to match with available actors. Very tall, long-limbed too, large hands, etc. Very distinct appearance indeed. Brunette hair aside, I always thought Adam Driver would've been a closer match and fitting candidate for the English-spoken film "The Man With The Iron Heart".

@TP42411

Жыл бұрын

@@DjinnGuru Yes you are probably right! There aren't that many actors who resemble Reinhard Heydrich, who could in fact play him. Yes,it was Detlef Bothe who i thought about. Interesting that you mention 'Asian ' , i remember when i was younger ,i saw a picture of Heinrich Himmler , almost like a portrait of him,and next to him was a similar picture of Hitler. You have probably seen that picture i think of. I think it is from 1936, he is dressed up in his black SS uniform ,in brown shirt and his SS coat displaying his Reichsführer collarpatch. I didn't know back then who Himmler was, but i did know that nazi Germany was allied to Japan, and Himmler did appear to look very Asian, japanesee infact. I thougt it was a japaneese leader. Talking about resemblance, i do remember an antoher SS officer, that resembled Reinhard Heydrich. I don't know his name, but if you have seen the footage of the 1936 Berlin olympic, when Hitler is walking at the olympic field , and you see a little girl give Hitler a bunch of flowers, you see an SS officer in SS black runs to the front, to be to some kind of asistence. Don't know who he is , probably some kind of ' aide de camp' to Hitler.

@Malt454

9 ай бұрын

There seems to be some obsession with finding actors that look like Heydrich as if physical resemblance is the key to an actor's portrayal/performance, although I'd agree that getting uniform details right should be standard practice. Productions, scripts and actors all make choices that some will disagree with. In this case, it's also somewhat of an issue whether the approach is that of a documentary or a drama.

@chong2389

9 ай бұрын

The uniforms were probably not manufactured by Hugo Boss either! Oh the horrors! 🤣

Cant beat the 1984 version that one is a masterpiece

they made this movie 22 years ago and did it better.

Conspiracy 2001 was a remake of Die Konfrence German film made in 1970s or 80s i believe. This seems to be a remake of the original

Pretty sure I saw a movie on the same subject with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich.

Isn't this an EXACT remake of the 1984 German film Die Wannsee Conference? Even the dialogues seem identical.

@swagcube5050

Жыл бұрын

The dialogue of both movies is based very closely on the original protocols taken during the conference. However there is some stuff filled in, in both movies and of course the acting and delivery is not the exact same. I enjoyed both movies

@montanus777

11 ай бұрын

i find the new movie less confusing in regards of who is who and represents what part of the third reich.

@jensl.942

9 ай бұрын

It was co-written by the same author. But this version is much more refined, many bugs and inaccuracies of the old script have been ironed out.

Didn't they already make this movie.... in 2001?

Dear editor, I think you've made a fundamental mistake, by choosing to cut the trailer in this fashion. The Wannsee Conference and thus the Final Solution wasn't a supervillain, action film like turn of events. It was a cold-hearted, clinical operation on an industrial level that led to the killing of millions of people. It is exactly that that makes it so horrific. It wasn't an act of emotion. It was planned, precise and effective. Because of that, I think that you've missed the character of the events by choosing this style of cut. To whoever is reading this: The film is brilliant nonetheless, it depicts the potential of evil of men very well.

There was another German version from the 80s also

I've seen this on Austrian TV, in pretty shitty 720p; I can't wait to see a BluRay transfer.

Wondering which is more accurate as to what actually happened, this film or Conspiracy?

@Orxbane

5 ай бұрын

Neither are accurate, it's fiction

This film ( trailer ) is an altogether darker , sinister portrayal of most probably the lowest point in human history, even when compared to " conspiracy" ( trailer ) though the subject matter is identical - most probably , because it was made in the language of the event and characters , rather than " airbrushed" in English ( a bit like watching Das Boot in it's original language compared to the English dubbed version )

I really doubt this will surpass Conspiracy (2001), the quality of drama and acting there was superb. However, seeing a German-language movie may add a lot of immersion of it's own. It looks to be more of an updated take on Die Wannseekonferenz (1984) than Conspiracy, with a more gritty and serious tone to it. I'm cautiously looking forward to it.

@ruhri0411

5 ай бұрын

I tell you this film was 1000 times better than the crap english thing from 2001!

This is how we want history movies: accurate, quality, right language like who wants German speak English!

@BlownMacTruck

9 ай бұрын

What? Who cares what languages characters speak?

@Orxbane

5 ай бұрын

'Accurate'

I swear this movie has bèen done before....just can't recall the name...

When you watch clips like this.. Ask yourself.. why we don't have a top quality film aobu the Armenian Genocide yet we we 3 Hitler movies every single year

They’ll be remaking Schindler’s List next ? 🤦‍♂️

another one? PS: See the German language one..its here on YT

Will it be streamed soon? If so, where?

Seriously? This has been made twice before

@bidenator9760

Жыл бұрын

I know, this really has to compare to be worth the time. That said it's always good to spread awareness I suppose.

@ruhri0411

Жыл бұрын

The English version is absolute rubbish. Some of the characters are overdrawn to the point of ridiculousness. The research on the characters was obviously bad. And it's not in German. The first German version from 1984 suffers somewhat from poor recording quality. In general, it has to be said that not only cinematographic possibilities have developed enormously, but also scientific research on the conference has been able to add new aspects.

@generalposter4792

Жыл бұрын

Correct. I get it. But the only reference to these movies are some minutes found from Martin Luther. However, there is nothing else to determine "how" things were discussed. The 1984 version had all the characters as smugly joking around during most of the conference while they talked about killing everyone. The HBO one had more glum seriousness and less of the joking and left off the female secretary also at the table. That's why I thought the 1984 version was best because these guys were discussing the destruction of 11 million Jews as if they were planning an office party. And it just made it more evil to me at the relaxed nature of how they all discussed it. This new 2022 version (Die Wannseekonferenz) in German that is being released with English subtitles and renamed 'The Conference", looks more like the HBO version but as I noted, the characters actions are written to display different demeanor and personalities in each. So bluntly don't mind the remakes because neither is like the other. The scripts are based on those captured minutes. But the writers each take different liberties as to how they interpreted what might have been said and how the characters "might" act. Each portrayed different in each movie. So again, don't mind seeing the remakes.

@Atlastheyote222

Жыл бұрын

If it ain’t broke, fix it until it is.

@charlesmartella

Жыл бұрын

Can't beat the one made by the Jerry's themselves in 1984

Didn't know it was remade again. It should probably be remade again and again and again until humans learn something from it.

How many times......

The banality of Evil.

HBO did this masterfully with Branagh.

Where can I watch this movie? Streaming? I can't find it

I would like to view the whole video, in English .

My God, what an infamous and unfortunate moment. I hope they are burning where they are.

@reyliwanag6876

Жыл бұрын

They are burning in hell

Humanity lost in 1913 Dec 23. The events depicted in this movie would never have occured if not for that fateful day...

Is this on Amazon?

It's my favorite movie right now, I liked it a lot

There are at least three films about the Wannsee Conference, a documentary and two stage play-style films, one German from 1984 another British version from 2001. They're all the same: a bunch of nazi bureaucrats discussing how a certain group of people can be killed off entirely, not one of them considering it a crime but all of them a "necessity". The horrible crimes of back then won't become any more or less horrible the more versions you make of the same movie.

I saw the German original (1984) after I saw the English (newer) version of 2001. They are both great. I think what helps the English version is: Kenneth Branagh who is always out of this world superb, and the other actors, Tucci and Firth both well known. The German version, seems, of course more authentic. But is ok if they do multiple versions of the same subject. New generation need to know this, and if they can deal with multiple Willi wonkas, they certainly can and should see this one. Finally, I agree with others that the name “conspiracy” is not an accurate description of the event. The event was an actual conference. Conspiracy refers to concatenation of disparate pieces of info that are put together to make up a story or the reason for a particular event: JFK assatination, Moon Landing, etc. most conspiracies remain conspiracies and few are proven right. This wasn’t the case of the holocaust and the men in the room were not conspiring, they were setting up the procedures needed to be in place in order to carry out the orders of Hitler.

Thankfully they eliminated Heydrich. Who actually made plans to take the villa for his personal use after the war.