Fans in 2011: "Omg tandem drafting sucks we should go back to pack racing" Fans in 2019: "Omg pack racing is boring we should go back to tandem drafting"

@TheNewsChannel

4 жыл бұрын

So true lol

@bw-leftturnracing7779

4 жыл бұрын

@@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 I get around.

@johnclark8637

4 жыл бұрын

I still like pack racing

@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT

4 жыл бұрын

Acccurate lol Tandem racing was very cool!

@keeganracer8300

4 жыл бұрын

I liked it kind of the one things I had problem with it was car overhearted pretty easily when tandem drafting and you would have to stop tadem drafting let the other car get behind you and also sometimes Field would get way to spread out sometimes but other then that kind of liked it

TBH, you need a good mix of Tandem drafting and pack racing for a good superspeedway package imo. A package that encourages both

@JustSpeakingFacts_

3 жыл бұрын

Thats literally the only way to run those tracks or your getting drove by like your standing still

@FuzzieBear3

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you liked this year chief. A great race with a bit of both

@MrPermafrost

2 жыл бұрын

@@FuzzieBear3 Loved it

@deskaijitor9423

2 жыл бұрын

Like 2010, still kind of like the 2009 package but before it went crazy in 2011 with only tandems around the whole track

I’ll take tandem drafting any day over a follow the leader, high line, freight train

@SuperHamrick94

4 жыл бұрын

I'll take riding the high line over tandem drafting any day. It looks like swarms of indycars, which looked like cancer

@LessGo7921

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperHamrick94 Tf you talking about?

@chaseelliotiscool2849

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperHamrick94 You would take single file over good racing because it looks like cancer?

@SuperHamrick94

4 жыл бұрын

@@chaseelliotiscool2849 pack racing, let me correct you there. And pack is harder to maintain and is better than swarming 🤷🏻‍♂️

@chaseelliotiscool2849

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperHamrick94 Ok

I miss tandem drafting. I thought it was really cool and a unique type of racing.

@luisjibaja5497

4 жыл бұрын

completely agreed

@dking1659

Жыл бұрын

Same

@YuriGoofov

10 ай бұрын

way better than the super speedway product now...

@kishascape

10 ай бұрын

Also more fun if you had a scanner, they used to be able to talk car to car over the radio and you would hear some interesting conversations. When they banned the tandem draft they also banned car-to-car radio.

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It's really weird, I remember as a kid watching a Talladega race, and watched two cars hop up on the outside and rocket to the lead, and I always wondered why more drivers didn't do that more often. My memory may be shot, but I remember a driver giving an interview about two-car rockets and he said something about water temperatures spiking when they hooked together.

@FallingPicturesProductions

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's how the altered the 2012 package as well to reduce it's strength, by moving the air intake on the nose so it would be blocked harsher and the temps would rise faster. It didn't really kill it though, Kyle Busch still won the Bud Shootout that year by abusing it, and Brad K won the spring Dega race by virtue of Kyle pushing him until Kyle's car nearly blew up. It just murdered the effectiveness of it over a long period of time, making it practical only for the drivers who were already leading.

I enjoyed it, especially when they had a dial in the car with different drivers numbers on it to communicate with throughout the races

If it returns, this is going to be extremely fascinating to see!

@dajangreensword1795

2 жыл бұрын

this hasn't aged well'

@Jeb4100

Жыл бұрын

@@dajangreensword1795 lol

Amazing to see how dale junior was up front in almost every example. Whether it was tandem drafting or pack racing, he truly was the master of restrictor plate racing

@sking2173

Жыл бұрын

His daddy was even better at reading the air …

Tandem drafting has produced so many good photo finishes and also upsets. I miss it. I hope it somehow comes back!

I absolutely loved it, this is the style that I grew up watching and fell in love with it.

@johnclark8637

4 жыл бұрын

You're young

@ajkeith8190

4 жыл бұрын

John clark Yes sir, just turned 18 last Tuesday

Tandem Drafting was quite interesting to watch. Especially when they had those bursts as well.

Tandem was pretty cool. They should do a throwback with it one race

Tandem drafting still works now as Denny Hamlin pushed Erik Jones to the win in the Clash and almost pushed Ryan Newman to the win at Talladega last year.

@blurayhunter2443

4 жыл бұрын

Denny Hamlin Ultimate Fan to be honest it worked cause nearly all the field was wrecked

@DennyHamlinFan101

4 жыл бұрын

@@blurayhunter2443 True and it probably helped how much damage Jones had so it was probably more pushing then drafting tbh

@blurayhunter2443

4 жыл бұрын

Denny Hamlin Ultimate Fan yeah that too. Not to take away from your opinion.

@SuperStanster

Жыл бұрын

I loved the era of tandem drafting and Denny was the master of it. There was a speedway race back then, and I remember the announcer saying Denny Hamlin has gone from the near back to the front 4 or 5 times now. He was doing it to keep from getting bored... It was awesome!

I'm surprised no one had mentioned how Hamlin & Jones hooked up in a 2 car tango form to help get Jones the victory in the duels

@crypto091

4 жыл бұрын

I agree it is starting a comeback in my opinion. With the large spoilers punching huge holes in the air they should hopefully get back to more of this

@pewterschmidt23lord99

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah i noticed this as well im thinking it might have a comeback during this season

@justinkrizenesky

4 жыл бұрын

That was just moreso having to do with the 20 being a parachute tho

I always loved tandem drafting. It was always back and forth and the strategic element of it differentiated plate races from others.

I actually enjoyed it because there was always something going on.

Good video … I used to hate plate racing, but over the years, it grew on me because it required a special skill set. Tandem drafting was one aspect that changed my opinion …

Loved the tandem draft! I think it really started at the 2008 Daytona 500 when Kurt Busch pushed Ryan Newman to win on the last restart.

I really enjoyed tandem drafting, how runs were as bigger than ever and how racing was just as close as it always has been at Daytona and Talladega, and I loved how (just like what Iceberg said about the 2019 Talladega fall race) about those flat noses on the fords which made Bowyer and Keselowski make a tandem draft, it was good to see that again.

I just rewatched the 2011 Coke Zero 400, it was so weird seeing that tandem drafting now, crew members waxing the front and rear bumpers during pit stops , having drivers able to talk to each other over the radios. But there was 57 lead changes between 25 leaders

I loved Tandem Drafting and Honestly, I wish we could bring it back

I loved tandem drafting when it was at its peak. Some of the most entertaining racing Ive seen yet and it in my opinion reduced the number of massive wrecks caused by big packs but still had incredibly entertaining racing(like setting the lead change record) while spreading out the field slightly but not too much. I cant think of a more perfect setup

I loved it. I loved it in 2011. I loved that nascar drivers could control their destiny. My favorite years were 2009 and 2010 when the pack was there but drivers had the choice of getting in a tandem with another driver and shooting to the front. Personally I want to see that style come back

I loved tandem drafting because it produced many passes, lead changes and symbolized teamwork very well

As a F1 fan, I find this tandem drafting fun to watch 😄

I wish they could bring back the tandem draft. It was more skill based then the current follow the leader single file stuff that is called racing nowadays. If you didn't pull your car out in time it could overheat and explode. So the tandem buddies had to keep swapping spots. It also made for so many lead changes, like the 2010 talladega races which had a combined 175 lead changes. And it added a level of unpredictability to the racing, like when bayne and ragan both won at daytona in 2011.

I love tandem drafting and miss it.

I'll take tandem drafting any day. There's a lesser chance of the "big one" occurring.

I'm one of the few that actually really liked it and feel we should go back to it, it provided some great racing and some great finishes when it was around, there was always excitement and drivers could pass every second, cause that's how plate racing is there is a new leader normally every lap when it came to this you couldn't hold onto the lead for more than a lap or two at a time. Better then watching a very long line of cars against a very small line on the inside or outside, just not fun to watch unless your drivers leading the race. But I enjoyed tandom drafting and wish it stayed around longer, really made for some memorable moments

I was one of the few who were a big fan of Tandem Drafting when it was around. It enabled the packs to be broken up, reducing the frequency and size of the Big Ones (Neither Talladega race in 2011 had a real big one for this reason, and the July Daytona event was only caused because of restart shenanigans). Timing and teamwork being used was also something I feel the sport could really take advantage of, as few other racing series could see two competitors have to put that much blind trust in eachother before knowing when to swap or stab eachother in the back.

they always said fans hated tandem drafting but i never really saw anyone complain. I always liked it

I like the package know where you race in a pack for most of the time, but at some points, you might see a tandem draft come shooting out of nowhere into the lead, but you have to have a fine line between completely tandem drafting, and completely pack racing, which I think NASCAR has done a great job with. They allow tandem drafting, but drivers can't tandem draft all the way around the track for every lap because the temps will run high.

I liked the Tandem. Really unique. Teams of 2 working together with options. Hated when they banned it

I liked 2008-2009 racing the most they had big packs with a bit of tandeming and a mix of both is good

This guy gave Dale Jr credit for creating the tandem draft 😂😂

I always loved tandems and I was extremely pissed as nascar did everything in their power to stop it

@raylewis1355

4 жыл бұрын

I'm soooooo with you. Nascar heads are idiots. They killed a good thing. Morrrrrons!

I liked tandem drafting, so unpredictable and exciting

I loved the 2011 Daytona 500, I remember being on the edge of my seat the whole race. It was awesome the drivers could talk to each other on the radios. It's my favorite 500 behind the 1997 500. I kinda don't understand why people hated tandem drafting so much at the time? Too much action I guess.

It was cool watching Dale Earnhardt JR telling the car behind him it was time to floor it and push him in the draft.

Tandem racing is cool but you know what's cooler? This video! Honest, to the point, plenty of well chosen footage. Thanks for this.

I don’t know any fans who didn’t like tandom drafting. You said it in your own video. Tons of passing, record number of lead changes, underdog teams could win. It was some of the best plate racing I’ve seen in my life.

Tandem drafting is my first NASCAR memory. Watching them go around Talladega.

I actually miss the tandem drafting and still don't understand the hate it got. Was the closest thing to old school super speedway racing in recent time.

Have never been a huge NASCAR fan but tune in here and there. I remember seeing one of the races w/ the 2 car drafting and just found it weird. I thought they wher on team or something like that. But I think having team races would be a cool and different thing as a one off or maybe once/twice a year. Force them to pair up and win as a 2/3 car team. Watch the craziness

looking back on what tandem drafting did for the sport, it definitely should return with the Gen7 car. it might have been disliked at the time, but re-watching those races definitely shows how good those races were (especially the 2011 500). lots of lead changes, all sorts of different pit strategies, underdog race winners...so much positive entertainment value. if the two-car tango returns, i feel like all three major series could benefit from it

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@c0nfuciu574

4 жыл бұрын

hey get out of the closet

Tandem drafting created big runs which led to a lot of passing, especially up front. I liked it pretty well, but I like pack racing a little better I think.

The best happy medium was when tandems could last a straightaway or about a lap. It allowed drivers to go from 10th-12th to the lead and completely change the dynamic of the race at any moment. It also allowed drivers the opportunity to pass the field if it became single file like we've seen since about 2006 at Talladega.

I loved tandem drafting... When it was used to get to the front of the field. When they started doing it the whole race, I loathed it. I like the way it is now personally.

@brandonstegall6909

4 жыл бұрын

What people call tandem racing, I disagree with their definition, even if it wasn't the common one. 2009-2010 was push drafting where they would push half a lap, grab the lead and break up and they stayed in a pack. That's when the lead change records were set at Dega... In the push draft era. It wasn't but the last 2 laps or so where guys would hook up with however they were around and just go for it. Guys that figured out out first would get out and you'd have a sling shot battle. Then 2011 IMO and in my definition was the only year of tandem racing where they ran like that the entire race, and had team orders of who to work with. Cars would be all spread out not racing just wasting laps. Then when it came to race, if it stayed green you'd have multiple pods racing so the pusher automatically gave away his chance to win the race. Off a restart you had a chance of pushing someone out far enough you could sling shot for the win. It was garbage. 2012 they could still hook up but not all the time and it was more like the pain draft era, except the runs were smaller, and made packs tighter. It was better to watch than tandem. Then you have 2013-2018 where they just had a terrible package that you couldn't get runs and race with that lead to line rides and all the Gen Zs to say I want tandem back. While Gen X and old Millennials knew there was a better form of pack racing to be had where a driver can more one on one determine his fate of getting to the front by being fast, making good moves, and forcing guys into helping you with cars that got runs that lead to passing. That's what we were raised on. The 2019 Superspeedway package has brought some of that back with better runs and stability. Now it's up to drivers to learn to not throw stupid blocks and cause 5 big wrecks a race (just 1) and to tweak out the package. If we end up with something that looks closer to 2009-2010 or 2012 push drafting, I'm game... But 2011 tandem racing, that needs to stay dead.

Tandem drafting was cool, and arguably safer than being stuck in the “freight train”

I never liked those tandem drafting races. To me it broke the illusion that every driver was out there to win. It also just looked really stupid having two cars stuck together going around the track like that.

I was never a big NASCAR fan. I love watching old races on KZread now. I have to say the tandem drafting looks so cool. I think they should bring it back.

At the time I hated tandem drafting because I wanted to see pack racing, but looking back on it now I love and miss tandem racing so bad, it was exciting, so much passing, and how two cars could stay locked together for multiple laps at 190+ mph still baffles me and I’d like to see it return

It’s a double edged sword. The pack racing is probably more exciting to watch as it looks chaotic. But the tandem draft gave you the true feeling that anyone could win and produced a ton of lead changes which was exciting too.

Tandem drafting is always interesting because those guys who piss everyone off or are quick to bail on other drivers like ,Denney Hamlin, may have a hard time finding a partner. So it is a little strategy all year.

I thought it was awesome. Never understood why people disliked it. It was kind of a filter. If you could bump draft, you were competitive, if you couldn't, you weren't.

I never understood why fans hated tandem drafting. I loved it! I was tired of the parade of cars just driving around the track, with very little passing, and often devolving into a single-line conveyor belt. Tandem drafting was exciting, created the passing opportunities pack racing lacked, and made for some of the best finishes I've seen. I can completely understand why drivers didn't like it, but IMO I'd rather have tandem drafting back than the borefest superspeedways currently are. I don't even watch Daytona and Talladega anymore. This year was the first Daytona 500 I've missed in two decades. It's just not exciting racing. The only "exciting" parts are the crashes, and that's not a good focus to have!

I personally really liked the tandem races. They were wildly entertaining, unpredictable, and not anymore unsafe than any other form of super speedway racing in my lifetime.

The earliest form of bump-drafting that I remember: 2001 Daytona Duels, last lap restart in Duel 1 & Jerry Nadeau pushes Sterling Marlin past Jeff Gordon & Dale Sr to win it.

As much as no one wanted to admit it at the time, tandem drafting made for more exciting moments at daytona and talladega than almost any other era in nascar.

Been watching NASCAR for the better part of 25 years. And I will say that the tandem draft. With the rules package of having the cars past to cool down. Was definitely the best racing. Talladega in Daytona had seen since before they put restrictor plates on.

No tandem in 2013 had nothing to do with bumpers not lining up, and we still saw hints of it such as when Ragan and Gilliland got the 1-2 at Talladega. It was because increasingly lower spoilers packed air in behind the cars and created an air bubble that was EXTREMELY hard for the cars to break through to lock bumpers, the reason the new 2019 package can do the tandem is because the absolute monstrosity of a spoiler pokes a larger hole in the air and decreases the air bubble effect.

Tandem drafting is one of the greatest things I have ever seen.

You do nice work on your videos! I've was never displeased with the tandem drafting. You had half the field taking a turn at the point. Seemed like good racing to me but what do I know. Just been going to races since the late 60's. JUST LET UM RACE 👍🏁👍🇺🇸

I liked the tandem drafting because it reminded me of the pre-restrictor plate racing. I forget which year it was but I remember one Daytona 500, literally 188 out of the 200 laps were run single file. I will take tandem racing over that any day. However, it doesn't matter because I don't watch NASCAR anymore anyway so they can do whatever they want.

Always loved it!!

Loved tandem. If was actual racing. Basically instead of one car vs one car, it was 2v2. Just created a lot of action. People hate it because they dont like anything new and prefer to see wrecks of 15+ cars from pack racing.

@brandonstegall6909

4 жыл бұрын

Problem is theirs only enough room for one car I'm victory lane.

Loved it. I remember in the early 2000s the drivers and fans hated the pack racing and tried to break that up.

I loved tandem drafting. Lots of lead changes. Also, I was a Mark Martin fan and he always got caught in the Big One. So, I felt like the tandem draft was a safer alternative that actually gave drivers more control of their destiny at plate tracks.

I actually liked it and i liked how all the drivers where able to talk to each other during the race.

@DepravedCoTApologist

4 жыл бұрын

They should let drivers have communications with each other during races again. It can get the fans closer to the drivers in a unique way

The Tandem Draft was a game changer. From a sponsor’s perspective, you can pay money to get Sunday Prime Time sponsorship for cheaper on a crummy car 4 times a year, knowing that all it would take is a strong car to push your guy to the front. I think back to Harvick saying, “I’m gonna have nightmares about ‘Kids Eating Free,’” when he was pushing Dave Blaney. Golden Corral and Tommy Baldwin Racing got a lot of TV time that day. Odd bedfellows was great for the sport and plate racing. People didn’t understand how good they had it until it was gone. As for the drivers, yeah, it would definitely suck walking on eggshells for that whole race, knowing that if you picked a shitty dance partner with 10 to go that you’d be toast. I think the tandem will come back in bursts like we saw with Bowyer and Keselowski intermittently last season. I think once the drivers figure out the closing rate on these cars that this will turn out to be the best Super Speedway package to date.

The thing that was so fun about it were the ridiculous runs you could get. The speed differential was unreal at times.

I think the two car tandem really can really root itself to the raised flat front ends that appeared at the start of the 2005 season at the super speedway tracks. The last iterations of the twisted sister body were extremely different at super speedways compared to the other oval tracks.

FINALLY a video dedicated to this. Good work.

In NASCAR 2011 me and my brother would always do tandem drafts

Thanks for this video! As a new NASCAR fan, I really appreciate the history lesson

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@iandickey8320

4 жыл бұрын

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I loved tandem drafting. There are too many crashes with pack racing. Tandem racing gave us a chance to see a spread out field and still plenty of action. I could never understand, at the time, why fans didn't like it.

One thing that I do miss was that at Talladega in 2011, the drivers had a dial in their cars so they could talk to each other while they raced and talk about who they were going to hook up with. To my knowledge, that's the only time in NASCAR history that drivers could talk to each other during a race

I'm not a big fan of it, but I can't deny that it has produced quite a few good moments in the short time it was around.It's also pretty iconic for me, it's usually the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think about the COT and superspeedway racing in the late 00's/early 10's

I loved every second of the tandem draft. A driver could earn a finish with talent instead of money.

@brandonstegall6909

4 жыл бұрын

Dale Jr says there's more talent in pack racing, that's why he didn't like the tandem.

I LOVED THE 2 CAR TANDEM

As a NASCAR fan since the 80's, I absolutely loved tandem drafting!!!

Denny is one that really discovered the tandem. To me, tandem racing was what they did in 2011 and it sucked. If you are 100% reliant on someone else, and if someone has to give up their chance to win, as you'd see multiple pods in the picture once it was figured out. 2010 and 2012 style where they were in packs but could still hook up and make big runs was good to watch. The Xfinity races in 12 and 13 when they were allowed to hook up but remained in packs were especially exciting. And it wasn't all a team orchestration, and being in the pack you just had to hook up with who you could; and not have this teams racing nonsense. The current Cup package still needs a tweak or 2, but I think it has the juice to provide great racing except for the team order bull bleep. So when I say tandem racing I exclusively mean 2011, and tandem racing sucked.

Most fun I've ever had watching races. I've been saying it for years that they should bring it back. The only reason cars where flipping was because of the big spoilers on the C.O.T. when they where turned around backwards.

Bring back the wicker on the roof from 2000 to 2003. it made the cars punch a massive hole and created a huge suck up effect and made the drivers have to make quick and daring moves. It was super intense and only the best survived.

Believe it or not this is exactly the type of episode I've wanted to see for some reason

It was better and safer then standard pack racing. Safer in terms of injuries. The Carl Edwards crash was cause by the COT wings not the tandom draft. Less big one's and overal closer finishes. More strategy and less stalemates on passing. You had to make friends. Decide if you'll pit with said friend or screw over your partner for plausible track positions. It was intense and fun to watch. This is coming from someone very critical on post chase NASCAR. Bringing it back will definitely make me more inclined to watching.

I really liked the tandem because it was racing to determine who was the best. It reminded me of the 70s and 80s before restrictor plates. But most fans did not like it because it got rid of the big crashes caused by pack racing, where survival is based on luck.

Please elaborate further on how this strategy works at the human level. Temporary alliances, rivalries, tricks, double-crossing, etc. The game theory of tandem drafting has to be fascinating.

I'm kinda mixed on tandem drafting. I like the passing and lots of lead changes, but I'm not really in favor of helping someone else win the race. The tandem drafting definitely needs to be allowed again in the Xfinity Series and Truck Series, though. Say what you wanna, but I think that made Superspeedway racing really fun to watch.

I liked the tandems. Mostly because it enabled us to see the most random driver pairings each time. For example, Bobby Labonte pushing Trevor Bayne to the win in the 2011 Daytona 500.

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4 жыл бұрын

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4 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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Even though I prefer pack racing, I honestly don't have a problem with tandem drafting. I also think that the rule against it in the Xfinity Series should be lifted since NASCAR doesn't seem to be able to enforce it consistently. On a side note, I watched the first Busch Clash (1979) over the weekend. Apparently, there was something similar to the two-car tandem back then too. Even though the bumpers weren't locked, when Baker and Waltrip got into a two-car draft, they pulled away from the field. The same thing also happened in the 500 with Donnie Allison and Cale Yarborough. I also remember seeing this happen in the early days of plate racing, but I don't remember which race it was (probably a race from '88).

Just make the fences stronger and higher, go for tandem drafting. It takes skill, it takes some interesting politicking between teams (wouldn't want to bump the one battling you for points, but then you might want to bump draft someone to the victory one race and have them do the same to you, to bring you both up into contention for the series).

Never forget that time Jeff Gordon got pushed by Jimmie Johnson all the way to the front at Dega and then Johnson blew up lol

@robertrobinson9920

4 жыл бұрын

Actually it was Jeff that blew up i remember that race really well. I am a huge Jeff Gordon fan so it sucked bad because he had a really good chance of winning.

The tandem draft was killed when Jeff Gordon was the odd man out at Talladega. At least w/ the tandem draft there is passing. Pack racing has hardly ANY passes or passes for the lead and blocking is awful!

The family and I went to the 500, including the duels, truck and Busch races (I still call it the Busch series for sheer simplicity, too many sponsorship changes) from 06-12. It was incredible to see the evolution of the old classic pack racing, especially in 2006 when Johnson won as it misted the whole race, where the cars would spread out during a green flag run. When the COT debuted in 08, the races were enjoyable but the pack just wasn’t quite ever complete until the final few laps or so. The 2011 500 was the most boring, because the tandem racing seemed to pull all of the anticipation of pack racing out of everyone there. It was cool to see how those finished came together at the end when three or four tandems all converged at the checkered. We’re planning on one final farewell trip this coming year, and I hope to see that modern, powerful pack blow past. The 2007 finish was the best I’ve ever seen, and TV did JPM’s jet dryer crash NO justice. I was scared the whole track would catch fire and burn. Weirdest night ever but good memories. But NO tandem drafting SUCKED!

You failed to mention that the Nationwide Series cars kept with the Tandem drafting for a few more years before NASCAR banned pushing which is another Super Speedway controversy all in itself.