paying $90 for a single question online question is mentally insane. AP 2020 is even worse.

@ratman2817

4 жыл бұрын

It would be funny if it didnt hurt so bad

@berg_

4 жыл бұрын

AP tests are $90 because big daddy Trevor Packer wants a new yacht.

@salj.5459

4 жыл бұрын

"Server fees"

@hanae9742

4 жыл бұрын

I knowwww. I took international APs this year (which have an entrance fee that is double the cost of US tests for a nonexistent reason), meaning that my family had to spend hundreds of dollars on 45 minute single question exams that in no way reflected the work I've done over the year.

@FirstLast-ue9oc

4 жыл бұрын

​@@hanae9742 Exactly, entire year worth of work accessed based on one question!! Tell this to any reasonable people they will find it hard to believe. And the sad part is how the victims (high school students) have little power or influence to resist. Once people get into college the whole thing becomes irrelevant.

There are no words for how much I hate the Collegeboard

@Milgamix77

5 жыл бұрын

Me too dude go on Change.org and sign as MANY petition as you can to get these greedy fucks out.

@hello855

4 жыл бұрын

We all do.

@mbraxt11

4 жыл бұрын

Nah Pearson's the real company we should go after

@melodymcdaniel9268

4 жыл бұрын

@@mbraxt11 Let's just get rid of both lmao

@RobertA-bj7ou

4 жыл бұрын

I can’t stand them. It’s sad that for the sake of money, people are willing to exploit kids for profit.

In College Board's AP US History course, you learn about the Gilded age and monopolies in the late 1800s, and how harmful they can become. Quite ironic.

@anfxl

4 жыл бұрын

I had the same prompt and was thinking the exact same thing!

@konradhomiak3700

4 жыл бұрын

We need a Teddy Roosevelt but for College Board.

@jeffwarren1242

4 жыл бұрын

GET YOUR BIG STICKS!

@averyabbott4162

4 жыл бұрын

And in AP micro (like the video said). My micro exam’s tomorrow...really hoping for a monopoly question, ‘cause I can think of a reeeeal good example for ‘em

@fishmaster-fq5fg

4 жыл бұрын

nice pfp

You’d be hard pressed to find a high school or college student that doesn’t have a deep rooted hate for College Board

@michaelroblesmedia

4 жыл бұрын

"We surveyed 20,000 students and they all wanted to take the exam". Sure they did

@unlimitedpower4101

4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely hate them. Trump should honestly think of killing all funding to them, meaning they will finally start having competition.

@klice

4 жыл бұрын

I’m kind of indifferent tbh, AP tests got me out of taking a bunch of classes I don’t want to take in college and this saved me more money than what I spent to take the tests. And I took the ACT rather than the SAT. Despite me not really having any issues with them, what they do is still really scummy.

@alexanderliu9376

4 жыл бұрын

Top Frog If anything they’re funding Trump

@tankinator451

4 жыл бұрын

Caleb Smith yeah I agree, the AP tests saved me a lot of time and money in college. But the SATs, PSATs, fuck those. FUUUUUCCCKKKK THOOOOSSSEEE. The common app?? FUUCCKKK THAT

And now in 2020 we pay for a test that is only one question and that also fully decides on whether or not we get college credit. Smh Edit: bro I’ve never gotten this many likes 😂

@slig4656

4 жыл бұрын

Hah! Jokes on you!! My test is actually two questions!!!

@Big.hossss

4 жыл бұрын

@@slig4656 part a-l, a-h

@loganolson3968

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Herndon let me guess chemistry 😂😂

@qwenm824

4 жыл бұрын

And buying study packs at the start of the year makes you question life

@BiRainbow29

4 жыл бұрын

Ridiculous.

You can hear your score OVER THE PHONE for $15 LMFAOOO

@saberur66

6 жыл бұрын

i just graduated form college and never heard of that, and dead laughing. such a scam

@miketacos9034

6 жыл бұрын

I imagine an extremely staticky voice bursts onto the phone, mumbles something unintelligible, then clicks off. "To hear the message again, press 1."

@everyonesfavoritecritic

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Tkaczevski "insert another quarter"

@haideraliaqeel879

5 жыл бұрын

jdrod08 hjj

@kly8105

5 жыл бұрын

The definition of monopoly has to change, if two companies divide the country into territories and don't compete against each other then there is no competition and they are basically regional monopolies, this is why i hate politics, a 4 year old could understand whats wrong with this but politicians always chose not to rock the boat.

Does anyone realized that the only reason they're doing tests this year (despite this whole COVID-19 situation) is because they're greedy as hell. It makes no sense to take those tests. What if someone is really smart but has no reliable internet connection?

@rache5149

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. They wanted to keep the money so bad. At least refund half of the money since we're not going to be writing in booklets and the test is not even an hour long.

@angelmiranda-acosta6092

4 жыл бұрын

They say they conducted a survey to see if people wanted to take the tests.... I haven't heard of any such survey

@K..C

4 жыл бұрын

@The Ancestor Bro, when I did my test the damn thing didn't submit and now I gotta go through this shit all over again in 2 weeks... I love writing DBQs in 45 minutes...

@mazloum3522

4 жыл бұрын

as someone taking ap psych the online tests are a straight up 'fuck you.' I've been studying 1 year for multiple choice questions then they change it into 14 free response questions even tho we were only supposed to have 2 in the bigger exam. Nice 14 essays in 50 minutes, and cant get a refund...

@K..C

4 жыл бұрын

@@mazloum3522 Wait, how do you know its 14? I thought it was just going to be 2 FRQs in the AP Psychology exam

What has the world come to, when a company can just monopolize young people's futures?

@user-zt7ph7dw4e

4 жыл бұрын

Omg this is what I think EVERYDAY. Stupid old men are steering futures of the young people in the world. Really pisses me off.

@Chifftie

4 жыл бұрын

This is America...

@JC-qq9sw

4 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to be the owner of college board tho

@itsohaya4096

4 жыл бұрын

@Alex Ox. Or a genocide

@Kali_Krause

4 жыл бұрын

@@itsohaya4096 Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Covid 19 narrative is designed for MASS GENOCIDE by FORCED VACCINATIONS. Oh and Bill Gates also dumbed us down with STANDARDIZED TESTING.

My main issue with the SAT is that it doesn't actually measure intelligence. It measures how good you are at taking the SAT.

@fuckthis9292

6 жыл бұрын

MG222 Colleges don't need your intelligence and that's not a problem. That's one thing good on their side

@cctx3940

6 жыл бұрын

MG222 Measuring IQ directly would be unfair because some smart people don't want to put in extra effort

@mg222.

6 жыл бұрын

I guess "Academic ability" would be a better term. Colleges want people who will succeed so that when they get jobs they give the colleges money. The SAT doesn't measure that either.

@fastdollar1

6 жыл бұрын

Well what alternative would you propose? How do you measure intelligence? Your argument that it doesn't measure college ability has no evidence either. When you composite GPA and SAT score there's a correlation of r=0.64 (this is a really good predictor) If you're strapped for time and resources, the SAT actually gives a good job of showing an objective measure.

@thebeast4853

6 жыл бұрын

Nelson Vargas if the SAT and your GPA measures your intelligence than why does the guy who I graduated with and got a top 97% SAT score and a 4.0 work at my local grocery store? And the guy I went to school with who finished top 90 and with a 3.5 now owns a multi-million dollar company? Where’s your precious correlation there bud

If you are an international student, the fee for SAT and AP is *doubled*

@jeeholim0824

6 жыл бұрын

Yu Xin good

@morgengabe1

6 жыл бұрын

That's because you pay taxes to your government, not the US one (which spends some of that money funding things like standardized testing companies.

@Kaskaderka016

6 жыл бұрын

morgengabe1 So why then in every country there is the same doubled price in all countries no matter on the actual tax value there (in some countries this type of tests is not taxed at all)?

@OMEGA-362

6 жыл бұрын

why are you taking sat tests or ap tests if your not in america, you can avoid them if your not in america.

@voxomnes9537

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Seckel To get into US universities...like the Ivy-Leagues

AP2020: 1hour online test, two or one questions, same price outrageous price

@jeffwarren1242

4 жыл бұрын

Literally all of that's profit. They have all of the tests ready for next year and they definitely put little money in their servers. The only money spend would have been on having many different questions for each test.

@treenutperson4978

4 жыл бұрын

haha, wait until you discover the AP world languages tests: 2 oral questions, 15 minutes, shitty app, same price

@appletreedisco866

4 жыл бұрын

I took AP French this year. The exam was 2 spoken response questions, twenty minutes total. About 15 of those minutes was listening to directions.

@laurahuynh8333

4 жыл бұрын

You also forget outdated server where students had technical difficulties.

@nohandleXD

3 жыл бұрын

Wait so you have to pay to take AP classes? I took APES 2020 as a Junior and I didn't pay a thing.

aight who’s here 2020 when collegeboard fails to make a working system for kids to submit their ap tests?

@SK-tr1wo

4 жыл бұрын

They shouldve cancelled the fuckin tests

@grapefruit03

4 жыл бұрын

My friend couldn’t even submit her test. This was before the whole “email collegeboard” thing started today, so even though she finished all of it, she has to take it again.

@shermanfirefly5410

4 жыл бұрын

I will have a PTSD on this.....

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

@@SK-tr1wo People had the option not to take it and get their money back... they knew the risks, it was their choice.

@rosalindhoffman6175

4 жыл бұрын

PsychicF no! They have to take it because they want college credit, and they’ve been working on that subject for a year! Stop saying we had a choice, we really didn’t.

You forgot to mention how it’s puts low income students at a disadvantage because they may only be able to afford to take a small number of tests. Of course colleges look for students that have took more AP classes because it shows they can “afford” to pay 🤷🏽‍♀️

@jordan1559

4 жыл бұрын

@@lucascorey7716 no offense but that's the most naive thing I've heard in a while.

@avinashreji60

4 жыл бұрын

Lucas Corey that’s pretty naive

@patrickwu4524

4 жыл бұрын

They make the tests free for low income students, so that isn't an issue.

@alexf7157

4 жыл бұрын

​@@patrickwu4524 yeah only if you're eligible for the fee waiver even then some of the push students who are low income weren't able to get it from their counselors. at least at my school, we have to get the form from the counselors

@leahthai2040

4 жыл бұрын

Actually colleges, like ivies, look for students that made the most out of the resources they have. If there’s only two ap classes at their school and they took those two and did well that’s a really good sign for colleges

As an American, this video is completely accurate. I don't see how anyone can justify what College Board is doing.

@acebalistic1358

4 жыл бұрын

Hojin Chang it’s because of over saturation in the market

@libertyprime2921

4 жыл бұрын

THE DEVIL WORKS HARD BUT COLLEGE BOARD WORKS HARDER!!! 😈

@nospecificpurpose5971

4 жыл бұрын

Hojin Chang and that wont happen in any other economy right

@ziinx5899

4 жыл бұрын

@@ilynxch Yes, because communism is so much better...

@genieglasslamp5028

4 жыл бұрын

@@ziinx5899 I like how you have no actual rebuttal at all.

Can you expose Pearson now? Or even talk about what happened this year in 2020, where Collegeboard took our money, then reduced the test to one or two questions, no regard for a refund?

@avinashreji60

4 жыл бұрын

Yep they took our money and reduced it to two questions with no refund

@avinashreji60

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah and I just took my AP Physics exam

@icecold4411

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have to pay for pearson? Bc for me anyways its free but a trash website that literal highschool students could code better

@piperrasmussen

4 жыл бұрын

The college board offered refunds on their website (though it did take a week for them to get processed)

@aidoll3692

4 жыл бұрын

At least my school covers ap costs. One of the lucky few.

For at least half a century now, school has hardly been about figuring out how smart you are or actually furthering your education. For at least half of us, it’s been about seeing how well you can play the game and seeing if you’re willing to put in disgusting amounts of money for classes that teach you things you’ll never use in life so you can get a fancy slip of paper that says you’re superior to all the people who never got that slip of paper.

@amytg777

4 жыл бұрын

You're only half-correct, if that. There's no real currency of intelligence, IQ is a sham, and it never should be about that. And while education is important to furthering your education, these tests aren't supposed to help you learn. They're to provide colleges with results on how you can fare in an academia environment. And if you think the slip of paper makes you better, you deserve jail time. That being said, society is becoming more and more advanced at an astronomical rate, and the jobs of the future (the future 5 years from now) will likewise require more and more qualified people. So this "never gonna need to know" shtick becomes more and more ignorant as time goes on. And of course I feel the need to say monopolies suck and college board has no right to sap as much money as it does. If I had reign of the government, I would force collegeboard to halve prices or get taxed ridiculously as the for-profit organization it is. Probably by providing a more affordable government alternative. But I really wish everyone would cut the crap about "ehhhhh all education is about playing the game and doesn't care about how smart you truly are". Selectivity is not a bad thing and there do need to be set criteria to determine who gets in and who gets out. College does not have the time, money, nor will to individually develop every single special snowflake.There are certain base guidelines they want to set for prospectives, and certain things they want to achieve with them. College can not hold everyone, and it doesn't have to.

@78anurag

3 жыл бұрын

@@amytg777 Exactly IQ and IQ tests are a scam honestly like some questions are like "If club 1 exerts 200N of force on a ball and club 2 900, find the amount of club 3 will apply" and I'm saying this even though I got an IQ range of 120 and 140 in one of their tests.

@domino_201

2 жыл бұрын

only for the slim chance you'll actually succeed with that paper

AP classes are worth paying for, but SATs should be free as they are basically required.

@DanielGarcia-fg1fp

5 жыл бұрын

Aiden G i highly disagree. AP exams are more difficult than a college class. It would’ve just been better to take college classes while I was in high school. And $36 to send a one-digit number to a couple of colleges? That seems ridiculous

@FrostNightVideoProductions

5 жыл бұрын

I took three AP classes, which is fewer than most of my peers. And no one ever got anything from it but a few grey hairs.

@tjsworld98

5 жыл бұрын

My high school pays for everyone that wants to take an ap exam.

@ananyaupadhya1974

5 жыл бұрын

Well, if not free, they surely shouldn't cost so much! Forget about the classes, the AP exams themselves cost 90 USD! That's insane. Also, APs again function as requirements for Ivy Leagues!

@darontaylor8908

5 жыл бұрын

I think ap tests are worth it. Yeah they cost a lot of money but it's nothing compared to how much that class would cost in college

They keep charging us more for college, but when we eventually can't pay for it anymore, then they'll complain when it's their fault.

@NoName-rl3fh

6 жыл бұрын

"A fool and his money are soon parted." Just because one is out to scam doesn't mean you should go along with it.

@chris-andrebrissett5208

5 жыл бұрын

@@AAA-kh6qi For an engineer yeah depending on thr field but in the cade of computing or graphic design there are enough resources to get the same amount of value that a college would offer it still helps but its just not required to be successful in the field.

@orppranator5230

5 жыл бұрын

Don Cheeto The cost is rising because the government is subsidizing students more and more- colleges know students can then pay a higher price and so the colleges demand more. That, and bureaucratic BS. How many construction projects are going on at each campus? How much do they cost? Now how many increase the value of your education?

@strionic770

5 жыл бұрын

@G G Bruh my school teaches liberal values and it's absolutely free lol

@neonicplays

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, your schools aren’t publicly owned? I’m actually shocked

Wait. You’re telling me that if I don’t pay the college board to send my scores to colleges, those colleges won’t see them AT ALL?! I thought I could just put my scores in my applications!

@willow3198

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, you have to pay to send them. It’s ridiculous. Getting into college is very expensive, and it puts students who aren’t well off (like me) at a disadvantage. You have to pay $94 for an AP exam, $50-$65 for an SAT depends on if you want an essay or not, pay money to send scores, pay for an SAT prep course if you want one, and then pay to apply to colleges!! Its absolutely ridiculous

@Kali_Krause

4 жыл бұрын

@@willow3198 And you now see that college is a debt trap. Also, research what Bill Gates did with Standardized testing.

@willow3198

4 жыл бұрын

Kali Krause I’ve been working hard for scholarships so hopefully I won’t have as much debt as others

@Am-Not-Jarvis

4 жыл бұрын

For most cases you only send them to the school you enroll in, not all of the schools you applied to

@pendaba3746

4 жыл бұрын

Jarvis Grazio ohhhh ok

As a person who's taken AP, SAT, ACT and IB, it's insane to think that our education is being profited by guys who sit at desks in suits. For many of us, we don't have a choice but to take the SAT and ACT because our career choice requires college. some people can't afford to take the SAT and ACT, which in turn hurts their career and college education.

@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385

4 жыл бұрын

He looks like a stawrbaby pimp

@ErutaniaRose

3 жыл бұрын

I am planning on being an architect and a writer. But....I am probably never going to college. Not with my numbers. Apprenticeships are the only way I can make it unless I have that TV moment where I say something wicked smart, but I'm an assistant or something, and they suddenly hire me or ask me to help on a project. lol. Not to mention, in an office environment I will probably have to work twice as hard since I am guessing architecture is a pretty male-dominated field, and the world has yet to change. What shi**y times these be.

@lampsenpai4325

2 жыл бұрын

We get a fee waiver

@jennidavis588

2 жыл бұрын

At least with the SAT, juniors in my district were mandated to take a free SAT during the school day. It was the similar with AP tests (reduced cost) and I know other districts with a lot of low income students do the same, outside of college board fee waivers

Guys, please donate to khanacademy, at least they try to make this sort of process cheaper, like cutting down the necessity of buying the insanely high priced practice books

@sonicx7410

6 жыл бұрын

The problem with that is Khan academy sold out to the college board so u can't trust them anymore.

@abdulazizjamshidi425

6 жыл бұрын

sonicx7410 yup

@Paul-qe1jn

6 жыл бұрын

sonicx7410 any alternatives ?

@pinklemonade8864

6 жыл бұрын

college board is affiliated with khan academy

@Paul-qe1jn

6 жыл бұрын

Well I have got the recent paranoia for free services online... mean the whole Google, facebook, Ubuntu, Firefox cases. So whenever I hear someone say sold-out I jump into the *find-alternatives Bandwagon. Anyway I searched for alternatives to Khan but couldn't find an all under one umbrella like wholesome one. Hope more will come up in the future. And if I ever get a job I'll surely donate to Khan because I've had enough of double faced free services lately. I'm indebted to the free stuff I use daily but arrogant and stubborn anyway.

i am a senior in high school. i registered for six AP exams, costing around $500. to literally take a test. in my opinion, standardized tests should be free or significantly cheaper. smart kids who cant afford absurd fees miss out significantly. we need more competition!!

@RahulSingh-sg1bu

4 жыл бұрын

cassenav this year the AP tests are 1 question. Literally 1 question. I paid $600 for one question. And then once I take it I have to pay them to use it

@cassenav

4 жыл бұрын

@@RahulSingh-sg1bu Are you serious? I'm shocked and disappointed.

@Andrew-my1cp

4 жыл бұрын

@@RahulSingh-sg1bu nah fam 2 questions with lots of sub questions.

@RahulSingh-sg1bu

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew V depends on the test

@Andrew-my1cp

4 жыл бұрын

@MAKENA WINKIEL oh my chem and calc test was 2 parts with up to 13 sub questions each.

I've been saying this all along. This disgusts me. I'm ready for an uprising.

@alphamikeomega5728

4 жыл бұрын

Just make sure you're registered to vote in the primaries, as a member of whichever party if necessary.

@konradhomiak3700

4 жыл бұрын

Same. College board is filthier than FIFA & the British East India Company. I don’t know how.

@bellacrane6995

4 жыл бұрын

you’re a year early😂

@bellacrane6995

4 жыл бұрын

It be like dat with the whole online ap tests there have been a ton of glitches with submission that are the college board’s fault, but kids are being forced to do the makeup in June. Fortunately my Lit essay submitted but I know people who had a stable wifi and working computer but they would press the submit button while nothing happened and time slowly ran out. Many people are really pissed that college board continued to have the tests simply so they wouldn’t have to refund people. Not to mention international students having to take them at times like 2am because all tests are taken at 1EST. I’m currently praying my statistics test this friday goes through... Sorry for the VERY lengthy response lol it’s just been a disaster

@adriyannatesimu5863

4 жыл бұрын

@takedowncollegeboard instagram

Who else is here after the AP exam disaster?

@konradhomiak3700

4 жыл бұрын

MrHatoi hahaha im pretty sure half the comment section is. I’m just glad my broke ass school pays for my AP classes. Thanks College Board for contributing to the lack of money for my school!

@spiderworld384

3 жыл бұрын

Well I’m in 2021

@aliramadan6179

3 жыл бұрын

What happened

@oof4077

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliramadan6179 the AP exam costed alot and only had 1 or 2 questions.

Not to mention, standardized testing and the school system as a whole is broken

@fastdollar1

6 жыл бұрын

The videos you've linked make no good arguments for why the school system is broken. First define a metric in which you think makes the school system broken.

@aayushdesai3259

6 жыл бұрын

Nelson Vargas how do they make no good? Maybe you don't want to accept the truth. And what do you mean by a metric. Do you mean a number? Sorry, but the world is not built around numbers. Just do some research into human psychology and you will see how broken this system is, too the point it is creating a horrible society

@aayushdesai3259

6 жыл бұрын

Nelson Vargas "make me think". This is not a opinion, it is a fact. 100 years ago, if I tried to tell people about global warming, they would say "it's just your opinion" Now global warming is agreed as a fact.

@fastdollar1

6 жыл бұрын

Hear me out, I'm not trying to antagonize you; I want to share my perspective. Sorry this is long, I just wanted to explain my points. I'll address your global warming and metrics comment later on in the comment. Okay, from your linked videos and comments, it seems that you are supporting a combination of three things: 1. You want kids to enjoy school 2. You want test scores national and international to go up on underachieving first world countries like the US and parts of England 3. You want kids to develop creativity and critical thinking 1) So for this conversation, I'm using SK and Finland as definitions of 'good schools' from the fact that they ranked among the top 5 in PISA and TIMSS and that they are very different from each other geographically and culturally. What percentage of students report that they enjoy school? About one third for both SK and Finland. How about the US? About Half. American students report liking school way more than high achieving countries but an average of 12% drop out nationally (there's a lot of variance between schools in America so keep that in mind with this statistic and this is minus the transfer and incompletion rate). The dropout rate in Finland is 1% and dropout rate in SK is 3%. How do you reconcile that kids like school more in the US but dropout at higher rates? These are rigorous courses, as Daniel Kahneman said, "thinking is hard" and we avoid every instance of it that we can. No one enjoys grinding but schools that are most successful must perform hard tasks. American schools are not hard, believe me- actually you don't have to, look at the UC San Diego Annual Freshmen Study and you can believe where the evidence points. I went to a private school in Philippines which gave me an excellent education but I would not say it was enjoyable. Hard work is not enjoyable; these education reformers want too sugarcoat education and trick students into believing everything will be fun if you just like going to school enough. 2) So I'm not exactly sure if you support standardized national/international scores but your argument wouldn't hold if you didn't support their finding. The education reform movement BEGAN when NAEP, TIMSS, and PISA scores said that American and British students were in decline measured against previous generations' scores and the scores of other countries. The new wave of education reform was existentialist to say the least. They wanted to change the metrics by which we judge academic success while also improving on the scores of those metrics. Does that make sense to anyone? P *Now to address your comment on metrics and numbers. I'm a little confused because of your global warming and your psychology statement. You are certainly right that there is more to life than numbers but numbers are the closest you are going to get to the truth which is how we can prove global warming (temp. data over time) but then you denounce metrics because of psychology? Psychologists must use numbers to support ANYTHING they claim. do not take this point lightly. My analytics professor once quoted some guy I forgot his name, "Data without theory is trifle, theory without data is bullshit." Psychologists sample and find the central limit to a population (numbers), measure IV and DV and control the rest (numbers), perform hypothesis testing and regression analysis (numbers). Every science NEEDS data, otherwise it wouldn't be science and we'd be approaching an issue with simply how we feel about it which is what's happening with the global warming 'debate'. 3) So the critical thinking and creativity argument I agree with. I agree with reformers that there is more need for it in schools but not the way they are advertising it. So I'm using Ken Robinson's RSA school model. They have performed worse than traditional schools on standardized tests because there is a glaring lack of structure in their curriculum. Reading, writing, and math are not sexy but they are fundamental. The project structure of RSA schools has kids going off in the blind doing their own research and projects without the necessary prior knowledge to help them 'think deeply'. My abbreviated answer to your arguments are as follows 1) Students and teachers must accept that thinking and studying at a level that is meaningful is hard work. We mustn't sugarcoat education to a model that promises eternal enjoyment and passion of the subject which is not to say we shouldn't encourage engagement and fun curriculum, I'm advocating that rigorous courses are realistically challenging and they need some serious mental labor. 2) Objective measures are imperfect but they give us something to improve upon. Intangibles are just that, qualities that can't be measured but that is not to say they aren't important, they just can't be operated on scientifically speaking. Without data, it's the legally blind leading the blind. If we get rid of objective measures, then this ceases to be a productive argument. 3) Creativity and critical thinking are best with prior knowledge, good instruction, and rigorous curriculum. The traditional lecture style and homework may appear archaic but they have been proven effective for our measures (Refer to Hattie's meta-analysis). Please read it with an open mind; I spent a lot of time doing this instead of my homework. If you have any critiques please tell. This was a lot but I just wanted a place to voice my perspective because Education/Public Policy is eventually a domain I'm planning to pursue for my career. For any of my claims, if you want a source, ask and I'll scavenge them on scihub, I would post them now but I'm strapped for time.

@aayushdesai3259

6 жыл бұрын

Nelson Vargas just to mention, I live in england. The idea that "you have to work hard" to succeed in school is a shell this system is hiding behind. School isn't hard - it is boring. It is so boring it starts becoming hard. I am currently in the UK's schooling system, and my least favourite subjects are languages like German and French. I find it boring and tedious, and yet if I try, I can easily accomplish the work, and even more if I wish. But I rarely try since it is not interesting. I am pretty sure this is true for others, since a lot of people in my school have felt the same. However, I go to a "grammar school", a type of school where you have to take standardized tests to enter, and the people there are supposedly of " high intelligence". So I could see why my view could be biased. But from my experience, the people there are hardly more intelligent at all. They can't grasp more complex concepts that are out of schools reach and have no curiosity what so ever. All they are good at is mechanically spitting out information they revised onto a test paper. You assume that these reformists want a "sugar coated education", whereas this assumption comes from a belief that humans are not natural learners. Search up the " hole in a wall " experiments (www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_shows_how_kids_teach_themselves). This is a amazing study, showing how powerful the human mind is. He has made more videos on that, even furthering his pool of evidence. And you mention metrics. Well there are not many, but you can find loads of articles and videos saying "why do kids find school boring" or "why do kids hate school", already based around the assumption that kids find schooling boring. (Here is one metric by the telegraph: www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/4297452/School-is-boring-and-irrelevant-say-teenagers.html). And I woudn't be suprised either. Nearly every single person I know finds school boring. Not too mention, there are multiple other problems that I haven't mentioned about school yet (e.g. lack of self - discipline, never taught anything relevant to real life, the way the schooling system works essentially being a monarchy, not a democracy, the lack of belief in children - leading to children believing they are incompetent until they become adults, homework invading your free time with no proven advantage, suppression of kids real passion's, e.t.c) EDIT: Hundred years ago, there were no metrics proving global warming. Did that mean global warming was false? Just because governments and exam & curriculum boards are suppressing this fundamental error in society, leading to not many people doing studies on it, does not mean it is false EDIT 2: Please don't use standardized testing as a metric. It doesn't work and does not show intelligence. All standardized testing is is the ability to memorize some useless facts and throw them onto a piece of paper. Nothing else. Also, curriculums are not useful. Children can pursue what they like and will learn basic necessities through experience and surroundings. Just look into how Sudbury school kids fared. Actually, thinking about it, that is also another good metric. When some Sudbury school kids where surveyed after schooling, none of them said they would have rather gone to a conventional school. EDIT 3: Scihub seems "academic". Doesn't look trustworthy in terms of school system facts EDIT 4: "It can be difficult to understand Sudbury schools before you have spent some time in one. These schools have a lot of structure, but not of an obvious kind - especially if you are used to the academic achievement-oriented structures of traditional schooling" (www.didyoulearnanything.net/about/sudbury/) EDIT 5: www.educationfutures.org/outcomes.htm Double edged sword, this source. One edge says biased (the fact that this article is written by someone who founded Sudbury schooling), other edge says resourceful (the fact that this person has had experience with lots of Sudbury school graduates)

Living in Germany, hearing this sounds incredibly crazy, how can this even be real...

@henrg

6 жыл бұрын

Colleges over here are all for the profit of themselves, not for higher learning.

@ITR

6 жыл бұрын

Wolves bandwagon fan since 1998 So it's cheaper than some other overpriced thing...?

@rolan638

6 жыл бұрын

america, fuck yea....

@Omar-vl9xn

6 жыл бұрын

That doesn't make a good argument when you consider how expensive college is where you live, defending the U.S. when it comes to education is defending void.

@Omar-vl9xn

6 жыл бұрын

College should be free, that would produce a return on investment of $70+ lost on a dumb standardized test.

2:39 its now different! now we get to pay college board an absurd amount of money, get the privilege to sit in our own homes for 40 mins, and then anxiously wait for our score.

@boop5636

4 жыл бұрын

Woo. Go us. *weeps in lack of $98 refund bc I cant get one. (my 2 projects count as my whole score.) even though they cancelled my test*

@Telest0

4 жыл бұрын

It's a completely different story for students who don't live in the USA

@andykim4973

4 жыл бұрын

@@Telest0 I know. I'm an international student too

The College Board built a faulty testing system for the 2020 AP exams, and then had the audacity to blame the students' "outdated browsers" when thousands of us complained that the test didn't work. They're blaming us for their incompetence.

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

What, you expect them to make sure it runs on your windows 98 platform?

@ap-pv7ug

4 жыл бұрын

@@Turtle-.- No, I expect it to run on a Windows 10 computer and the up to date version of Chrome, which is the recommended browser, and the same one that I used on the demo test without issue.

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

@@ap-pv7ug Probably did have outdated browsers... I took 8 tests with them and didn't have a problem on a single one.

@ap-pv7ug

4 жыл бұрын

@@Turtle-.- Most people, like you, didn't have any problems, but far too many exams had issues for this to be a problem on the students' end. I submit files online for school, and otherwise use my computer with the exact same browser, and never encountered the issue where buttons just didn't respond when you click them. Besides, if somehow, the current version of Google Chrome is not compatible with the test (despite the fact that that is the recommended browser) the demo test that everyone took should have caught that. Either way, the College Board built a faulty system.

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

@@ap-pv7ug You make a good point about the demo test. The demo tests definitely should have caught any potential errors on the student's end regarding versions of Chrome considering that it should have been the same system for the test, except the actual test had the questions for the specific AP. Are you sure people that ran into this problem tried the demo though? What if the demo did actually catch this stuff, but those guys didn't do the demo. I see your point though.

This is one of my worries: I may literally not be able to pay for my AP exams. By the College Board's definition, I have been homeless for the past 5 or 6 years due to having a single mother that doesn't have a job half of the time, and the other half of the time has a job within $1 from minimum wage hourly. I've been making straight A's, studying diligently in order for me to be within the top 3% of PSAT/SAT scores for my grade each year, and taking AP classes to get my GPA closer to 5.0; so I'm probably considered a "good student with a lot of potential" to many people. I do this so that I have a chance at getting out of this crummy situation in the future. But, again, the College Board's monopoly on education makes it difficult for me to afford these tests. Of course, I'm aware that the cost of AP exams can be put at a discount for financially struggling students, but the price is still very expensive considering the small salary my 2-person family receives, especially with taking multiple AP exams. I expect to begin my first job this month to assist in paying for exams and my education in general, but these tests are still outrageously expensive nevertheless. The College Board should not be considered a non-profit organization. They don't care about educating students -- they solely care about keeping their business afloat and making money, nothing else. It's really depressing knowing that this kind of monopoly makes it so that essentially only the people that can afford it can get good credentials, like a 5 on an AP exam or a 1500 on the new SAT, on their college applications, regardless of whether students deserve it or not. I'm hopeful that something will change soon, but doubtful at the same time. What do you guys think about this? Anyone else have a similar problem?

@codyfan4070

6 жыл бұрын

Can the School that you go to cover your costs? Do a Go fund me!!!!

@fuckthis9292

6 жыл бұрын

Can you not get a fee waiver

@pezpeculiar9557

6 жыл бұрын

Cody Fan eh I don't really see why someone would want to donate tbh. I'm pretty pessimistic at times so it might just be me but I doubt anyone would donate haha

@pezpeculiar9557

6 жыл бұрын

Wolves bandwagon fan since 1998 There are some school districts that pay for the AP, PSAT, SAT, and ACT exams in areas that are low-income.

@pezpeculiar9557

6 жыл бұрын

fuck this As far as I know, $53 is the lowest they go except for districts where they pay for the costs due to it being a low-income area.

I'm here after failing to turn in my 2020 AP test on time. College Board's response is "Too bad, sucks to be you. I already have your money."

@riglancer5473

4 жыл бұрын

did you register for the retake?

@kfizzledizzle8467

4 жыл бұрын

@@riglancer5473 Yeah.

@nishanthbutta2898

4 жыл бұрын

It still sucks though, now you gotta study for another month to make sure that knowledge stays fresh for the retake, honestly, I hope for your sake that there won't be any issues, however, it wouldn't be unexpected

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

Just turn it in on time...

@riglancer5473

4 жыл бұрын

@@Turtle-.- Kip failed to turn it in on time because the server that handles submissions was overwhelmed with requests and couldn't handle them all therefore some of the submissions failed to go through to College Board. In other words, it's a lot harder to "just turn it on time" than one might think.

I hate the SAT. I'm a student with ADHD and SAT is really //really// unfairly made for students who have disabilities. For perspective, I'm considered an honors student. My weighted GPA is currently a 4.5 and I took AP Calc BC as Junior, getting B's both semesters (which is pretty good considering its Calc BC AND my school doesn't offer a Calc A class - I basically went into Calculus cold). I have been in accelerated classes as long as I can remember and have never really struggled in school with any subject. I regularly take college classes with college students during the summer and do very, VERY well (I've had a 4.0 at UCLA since the end of my freshman year, when I started taking classes). Although the SAT does give accomadations for ADHD, its expensive to get the doctor's referral AND the extra time you get doesn't really help - ESPECIALLY for the math section. With ADHD, theres a lot of wonkiness with how your short vs. long term memory works, so what happens is when you're reading through big blocks of texts packed with information, like on the SAT math section, you get gaps and don't retain anything. The more you read it, the more your brain gets muddled. So I, as a BC Calculus student, repeatedly was getting sub-par scores on my practice tests despite months of studying. The only option I have is the ACT (doing exponentially better with that test). Although colleges say they weigh the SAT and ACT equally, so many people have told me colleges prefer the SAT. It's so unfair and difficult, especially for kids like me who have ADHD or another learning disability.

@ExodusX1

4 жыл бұрын

I have ADHD, and I feel you.

@grylltheonion

4 жыл бұрын

Although I don't have ADHD, I do have moderate to severe eczema, and I usually break out in rashes when I'm stressed out, so everytime I take a major exam such as the SAT, I can't focus because my skin is burning to scratch.

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

I have ADHD too, but I studied and studied and studied some more. My score ended up being 1580 out of 1600, and that is with no accommodations. Yes it is harder for us, but not impossible. You just gotta study.

@aaronlandry3934

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t have ADHD, but I’m a Junior in university and my major is Chemical Engineering. So, I’ll say this: the ACT/SAT are garbage. They focus on Math, Science, English, and Literature of all things. All I’ve ever had to do with English is write a couple of papers for some prerequisites, so I don’t know why they’d focus on that. I have not read a single book since starting university. Even textbooks for assignments, you just end up skimming it. Literature is a worthless subject in high school. The ASVAB is a far superior test that tests more types of knowledge than those four and also recommends career types best suited for your academic strengths. Why not just use the ASVAB instead of the SAT/ACT? Once you get into university, your score on the SAT/ACT become meaningless. I only got a 25 out of 36 on mine and I’m on President’s List, meanwhile I have friends of mine that made like 32/36 on the ACT and flunked out in the first semester. Again, why do colleges use these as indicators? They’re horrible indicators

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

@@aaronlandry3934 As bad as an indicator they might be, it is still the best indicator when you look at other options. Take GPA for example. My school has very little grade inflation and grade incredibly hard (only the top 20% of the class get above a 3.00GPA). Meanwhile, a public school across the street had huge grade inflation where most of the students were receiving 4.0's because, get this, students could retake tests as many times as they wanted. From a college perspective, that school's 4.0 would look better than my school's 2.8. That's hardly fair. Instead, colleges use SAT and ACT as a form of a standard to determine how smart someone is. There is no subjection involved. This was more accurate as my school's average sat was 1490 out of 1600 and the public school across the street's average was 1070.

This was posted 2 years ago and nothing has changed 😭

@jessica1lopez

4 жыл бұрын

You just made me realize how old this video was, I thought it was posted recently.

@droidbot6284

4 жыл бұрын

It probably popped up into the algorithm because of the massive fuckup that was AP Exams this year.

@jessica1lopez

4 жыл бұрын

@@droidbot6284 True.

@thegameowl11

3 жыл бұрын

True.

@siennaq5553

2 жыл бұрын

Still

College board in 2019 also changed the time period to register for an exam. They made it around 2-3 months earlier, to force students into a decision too early. Everyone at the beginning of the year feels like they can take the AP exam, but several month in, most people realize they shouldn’t due to lack of studying/preparation. This is just one way they trap people into wasting money.

@boop5636

4 жыл бұрын

Sajan Patel i was one of those forced ones. It was especially awful and nerve wracking bc I just got into a whole new school with around 5 of my old friends who barely spoke to me bc 4 of them became juul users. One didn’t but was constantly gone for sports so I was basically alone. I knew no one in the class and had to turn around and pay $98 for a test I wouldn’t even get to take. Now the “portfolio” they assigned is our whole score. With no refund if you want said score.

@jamarsh09

4 жыл бұрын

Yup and at my school if you don't sign up they pull you aside and try to persuade you to join. It's very forceful and uncomfortable it makes you feel like you have to do it. It's worked 2 years for me

@saramathews9929

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and I had to pay extra on one of my AP tests this year bc my teacher didn't know our money had to be sent in earlier this time... So we ended up paying $134 for one test. -_-

@Turtle-.-

4 жыл бұрын

Study for the test then. You knew what you were signing up for when you registered to take the exam.

@davidwestin6345

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, why the hell would you take an AP class if you aren't going to put in all the work studying.

Correction: Most schools and MY SCHOOL ONLY offer AP classes, no alternatives for college credit. So yeah it is a literal monopoly.

@jeffwarren1242

4 жыл бұрын

You don't have Duel Enrollment? It's like AP with no test but the credits are only for state schools. No one takes them though because AP credits are more useful.

@danielshulgan831

4 жыл бұрын

J Warrior they’re very useful if you’re going to an in state school lol

@erravi

4 жыл бұрын

J Warrior My school has around 1400 students. We have 1 dual enrollment class, it’s a half-year Economics class that gets you credit at the local community college.

@joohhj5809

4 жыл бұрын

Same issue here, we only have APs and SAT

@analeeyacinthe1438

4 жыл бұрын

Same here. The magnet school I go to makes some AP classes mandatory, so we don't get a choice in what our classes should be.

Im probably the first person in history to get straight A's in the AP classes and get a 1 on the exam.

@ashleygarcia5915

4 жыл бұрын

Nah it’s pretty common, especially if teachers are too easygoing and grade inflation is a problem in that area.

@deleted-user-82u3ht92

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleygarcia5915 exactly, in AP Chem I got a 97.9% and a ONE on the exam…

@dominusdone5023

16 күн бұрын

@@deleted-user-82u3ht92it also depends on how hard you work. If you just do the material in the class to prep then you won’t do well on the exam. You are supposed to use what the teacher teaches as a supplement to outside studying

I got a 4 last year on the AP Lang exam, in which one of the essays I wrote about how the CollegeBoard and AP classes are overrated.

@davidwestin6345

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@sirpretzel822

4 жыл бұрын

I remember that prompt, still think that my 4 was the result of a computer glitch, somethings reinforced by this years fiasco

I have taken 17 AP tests, 3 SATs, and 1 ACT throughout my high school career. Luckily my school subsidized a good deal of the cost, so I’ve only had to pay ~$800 out of pocket. Even though that is crazy expensive, it allowed me to get 48 hours of college credit, which saves ~$20,000 for me at my particular university. Advanced testing is definitely still worth it, but you’re right-it is set at an unreasonably high price point.

@Soosss

5 жыл бұрын

This is so weird for non-americans lol

@ananyaupadhya1974

5 жыл бұрын

You're very lucky. I don't go to school in the States but I'm trying for Ivies. I'll have to pay for all my APs myself--only about 3 schools here even offer APs, none of which are mine! Fml

@MichaelRockfez

5 жыл бұрын

Wtf? How many AP courses did you actually take within 4 years?

@ARandomDonut

5 жыл бұрын

If they dropped AP tests to 80 bucks, I'd feel a little better about where I'm putting my money.

@hello855

4 жыл бұрын

@@Soosss Asian countries and UK are worse.

Trying to take SAT twice this year. Corona Virus: *I'm grooving.*

@konradhomiak3700

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Literally the day before my second SAT that I had studied for months for, corona shut down everything.

@wooof8153

4 жыл бұрын

Same, it was even at a time when our state (Texas) had no deaths, and everyone showed up to the school since they did such a poor job informing us it was cancelled

@rusty8311

4 жыл бұрын

K Homiak This happened to me as well, for my first SAT. Literally the first day Covid closed things down was my SAT day LOL. I actually studied for once haha, I wanted to do better than my PSAT of 1210 (though I think that number is higher when you convert it to regular SAT).

@bryn_3467

4 жыл бұрын

Some colleges are being test optional. Most of the colleges I am looking at are. Email the counselors and see if they changed

@astrid3545

4 жыл бұрын

wait there arent any more dates right now right?

I love how you work your ass off, day and night. Just to get decent grades, that show your development from a kid to an adult. The dedication of how much homework you did, and your attendance to classes were. Just for some dumbass go show up and be like “Nah let’s give them a test that will decide their whole futures in colleges.” And ignore the grades, the attendance, the respect, and the desire to learn.

Me: *posts SAT memes* College Board: "You werent supposed to do that."

I'm in college now, but I had to deal with College Board's greed for years. This just makes me pissed all over again

@boop5636

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your sentiment in being pissed with and for us, since collegeboard doesn’t care about our feelings!

Collegeboard creates the problem and sells the solution, a wise man once said "They cripple you and then sell you a crutch, then claim they're your savior"

And we pay the same price for a 50 minute, one question, online test.

In 2020, my AP exams are almost $2/minute...

I can never trust collegeboard again. After the harsh and unfair curve of the June 2018 test, I never thought collegeboard would do something like that again. But in the August 2018 SAT, the used the SAME TEST AS THE INTERNATIONAL OCTOBER 2017test. This test can be found online because it is repeatedly pirated and distributed by prep companies especially in Asia. And lots of Chinese kids came to America to take the August one and so already took the test. There will be hundreds or thousands of 1600s while the curve will ruin things for everybody else. I took a two month $4700 dollar course for this test. Wtf collegeboard recieves millions of dollars from students and they can’t even make a new test. I’m glad that I also studied for the ACT cause collegeboard is going to lose all credibility and already has in my mind. Also in total collegeboard will probably take $1400 from me just for AP tests and like $500 for all PSAT and SAT and $200 for subject tests plus hundreds when I have to send to colleges.

@realeuphoniism

5 жыл бұрын

Jeezus. I took the May 2018 test and graduated later that month. I still have friends who took these tests because they're still in high school. What happened? (Starting from the June 2018 test)

@ananyaupadhya1974

5 жыл бұрын

Shit. I feel terrible reading this. I feel lucky that I took it in May 2018, just one month before, when the curve was alright.

@ananyaupadhya1974

5 жыл бұрын

Also, consider prepping from Khan Academy instead of taking expensive courses. They're excellent.

@voxamplifier3335

5 жыл бұрын

Twattle theGayCoin They said that there was too many high scores in the June 2018 test so there was a major curve to that test which basically means whatever you got, it would be dropped even lower

@amritsingh8918

5 жыл бұрын

I also took the June 2018 SAT as well and yes the curve was so bullshit

KZread's algorithm brought me to you, so it's not the worst thing in the world.

Just got recommended this after taking an ap exam. I paid the same price for two questions...

this is why i went to community college for 2 years. no paid tests, the classes were free, and the transition to university was seamless

I think Pearson has a bigger monopoly

@ceedott

6 жыл бұрын

dude pearson sucks, literally anything they do is a cash grab

@eligirl100

6 жыл бұрын

those books and access codes are pricey as fuck

@wclifton968gameplaystutorials

5 жыл бұрын

they're even worse here in the uk. their edexcel exams are waaaay too hard for anyone to try and get a grade 4 which this year (2018) was about 58% of total marks in the maths exam

@willre00

5 жыл бұрын

They own the college board

@prfo5554

5 жыл бұрын

A lot of tech certification test are through Pearson Vue.

I remember I was going to take the SAT on March 13 and I kept checking the college board website to see if it was cancelled or not (since this was at the beginning of all of the government shutdowns) but the website didn't say it was cancelled at my location so then drove over there that day and all that was there was a sign saying the exam was cancelled. There was no proctor there and no announcement on the college board website about it. I called customer service but apparently the line too busy or something so I just got an automated thing saying to email/call back in 2 weeks. I was beyond livid since I spent a lot of time studying for this exam only for it to be cancelled with 0 notice. I eventually got a refund but I can't take the SAT exam until September and by then I'll be in my senior which I guess is fine but I'm still irritated.

@konradhomiak3700

4 жыл бұрын

Bro the same thing happened to me. I had a game that night and I was really tired and I ended up getting an email at 10 o clock. 10 fucking o clock. Hours after everything else had already been canceled. Also like what the fuck. It was one day. You could’ve just let us sorry fucks take the SAT. One day damn it.

@toxicmaniax5719

4 жыл бұрын

Same thing happen to my friend :(

@Ms.Glamaris

3 жыл бұрын

I would still advise you to keep studying because the test isn’t cancelled, they’re just rescheduling it until the virus dies down a bit

I can’t believe that I had to pay 90 bucks for one question this year

@realdragon

4 жыл бұрын

Americans pay for tests?

@exaucemayunga22

3 жыл бұрын

What was the question?

@allipse8224

3 жыл бұрын

@@exaucemayunga22 "What's your name?"

Gotta love how these guys are making me take my AP Microeconomics Exam tomorrow, a class I literally haven't been in for an entire semester but am still expected to remember it all.

@kell_0741

Жыл бұрын

I know this is 4 years ago but im PISSED they dont offer winter/ 1 semester AP tests. My school has term long AP classes which i have to keep up with and study for for half the school year WHILE taking other AP classes.

I KNEW IT! I always wondered why College Board seemed like the only option, and why it was the only way for the SAT.

This year’s tests feel like a mockery of all of my hard work. They should have just canceled or postponed them.

I didn't do well on the ACT, but I ended up going to community college first and then transferred my GE credits to a university. Sooooo much easier and cheaper. I only had to take a math test beforehand provided by the college on what placement of math course I should start out at first.

im trying to cite this video as a part of an argumentative essay for school, but my teacher'll fist fight me if i put the authors name as PolyMatter

I have a feeling the guidance counselor is getting a raise for pushing students to take the sat their junior year. I am better off taking it in spring of my junior year, or take it your senior year because i am joining the military, and some colleges wants sat scores less than 5 years old.

@TheGunmaster3d

6 жыл бұрын

NC Aråb I'm in college but never took SAT, all I did was graduate from community college

@hatman4818

6 жыл бұрын

Take it at the end of your senior year, when you’re at your peak educationally. Then, once you join the military, and get past your tech school and EOC, depending on your branch (I’m in the Air Force, so that’s where this advice is coming from), you should get college benefits that lets you take classes for free each year, up to a certain amount. Since your tech school and job will likely count towards an associates community college degree (called a “CCAF” in the air force), I recommend knocking that out first, and here’s why. When you decide to go for a certain 4 year degree, taking classes on the side of your job, most colleges will apply a certain amount of your credits from your associates (CCAF) to that 4 year degree (so long as they are similar enough subjects). For example, I’m an aircraft mechanic, and have an interest in possibly taking Aeronautics at Embry Riddle. If I get my CCAF in my field first, that’ll count towards about the first 2 years worth of college credits of the aeronautics degree. And when it comes to completing your associates, you can potentially knock that out pretty fast too, since a lot of your job will count towards it, and any classes you have to take to make up the difference, you can potentially earn those credits by simply taking a standardized test in that subject called a “CLEP”. If you pass the CLEP, you get credit for the class without having to take it, and you can take your first clep in a given subject for free... If you fail it however, your second try has a fee. And final piece of advice, do online classes if you can. They’re so much easier when you have a day job in the military.

@collin5752

5 жыл бұрын

Or... it’s because they want you to go to college and the SAT is required to go to most colleges.

@Thats_yanil

5 жыл бұрын

My school makes us take it junior and senior year

@Xevion

4 жыл бұрын

@@hatman4818 "Take it at the end of your senior year, when you’re at your peak educationally." No. Here, we're at out peak education in our Junior year, where most people take the hardest classes, aim to acquire the highest scores, and be the best educated they can be. We take our SAT in our Junior year, in spring for most, but it's open to whenever you want, in actuality. Our PSAT is also taken in the Fall.

your designs are so beautiful :""O great video. as a college graduate who has taken 7 AP classes and several ACT and SAT tests (they have additional subject tests), i can very much relate to the predatory practices described here.

@firstlast7584

6 жыл бұрын

FutureNow What college are you at? I have 5 AP's as a junior, and will take 5 more next yesr

The college board is a legal version of the Mafia change my mind

@nightflyer3242

4 жыл бұрын

At least the mafia offers protection for your business.

"Here at the Princeton Review we've always said that the SAT only tests your ability...on mastering the SAT!"

Me watching as a student in 2020: yep sounds right

Gave my SAT subject tests today, test supervisors were half an hour late and the test started an hour late. Gotta love that type of service for $150🙃

One of the main reasons I chose to apply to art school in high school is that unlike most academic schools it’s more based on talent and ability than APs and test scores

I will always be thankful that I live in an area that covers the cost of the AP tests, and held an act, sat, and psat school test day where we didn’t have to pay for the test, so I have never given college board my money

Occasionally revisiting this video to see I'm not the only one who absolutely loathes the College Board makes me feel better

At least it's not my old enemy: Pearson education

@dvf1736

4 жыл бұрын

guess who owns College board?

@boop5636

4 жыл бұрын

Ooh ooh I know! That one is probably going to be on someone’s ap test this year! They also are affiliated with khan academy so we can’t trust anyone anymore!

Me and my friends are high school students and we use to have this discussion every day. We thought it was outrageous that you could not get into college without paying college board.

“We’re here for you, now give us money” probably the funniest quote I’ve ever seen that perfectly describes.

I paid $500 to take 5 AP tests last week. Next year, I'll have to take 7. Then I'll have to send it to colleges. This is looking to be upwards of 2.5k between fees for college apps and how many I want to apply to.

Another issue I have with the college board that you didn't touch on is that sometimes schools require/respect college board results more than others. For instance, I was in the IB program in high school, and scored a 7 on the HL math exam (the highest score possible on the highest level), and yet I still had to take Calc 2 my first year of university while my peers who the AP exam got to skip the class. It was even worse in chemistry. No matter how well I did in IB chemistry, I could only get elective credits out of it. For that reason, I took the AP chem exam in addition to the IB chem exam, even when they ostensibly tested the same thing.

@PolyMatter

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this too. It's bizarre how different classes transfer (or don't) to colleges. Makes you wonder if there's some sort of financial deal going on between College Board and colleges.

"How to get a 6 on the AP Chem exam" lmao

They've made their fortune off of me. 6 ap tests so far, and 5 more this senior year, plus dual credit, two PSATS, and an SAT

Me, sitting here with every ap class and exam and collegeboard-rated task waived for. Feels good to be poor.

As a student applying for college, I alway kept saying this to myself: "Its crazy that College Board has complete control over your future"

watching this 30 minutes before my online, single-question ap lang exam starts

Anyone else angrily watching this after you couldn't submit your $90 test and now have to retake?

Honestly, I’d rather pay $94 for a test than pay who knows how much for a course in college.

@jinjunliu2401

6 жыл бұрын

Major Languid Yah if the college has 4 years, which is quite unique to the USA and some others and it makes the AP's seem profitable while you still lose money compared to other countries

@everyonesfavoritecritic

6 жыл бұрын

X Halt Salute lower income students usually get a price reduction that depends on the state poverty guidelines.

@TWPO

6 жыл бұрын

If you pay for a college class and you fail it, should you still get credit because you paid to take the course? $94 to take an exam for college credit that you might fail > $Thousands of dollars to take a college course for credit that you might fail

@arnavn2554

6 жыл бұрын

Remember, the College Board isn't teaching your course though; your high school is. At least the cost of credits goes to the institution that is providing you an education, but in the case of AP tests, our schools don't get anything from those test fees while the College Board gets everything.

@georgekromidas5097

6 жыл бұрын

Chances are you’ll still have to take the course. Most colleges don’t look nor care about your AP test scores at all.

Hey PolyMatter, this is the first video I've seen on your channel and I must say it's impressive. I am a high school student and I did have some slight suspicions on CollegeBoard and you did elaborate them. Keep up the good work!

Comparing AP to IB I am so happy that I took IB. No/little testing fees, assessmenns that you get to choose the question and research things you are passionate about within the material, actually relevant material, and above all a way to see feedback by humans who mark your essays, which has to be done because of the freedom for the assessments the students have.

In my first year of high school I was thrown into a AP Human Geography class, it was going decent until our teacher got promoted to district and we didnt learn anything for the 2nd semester of school, so we got screwed over in our freshman year, coming from a now sophomore ofc

This just appeared right after I had a tough conversation with my parents about my 1180 on my SAT

Just go and learn a trade, jobs are available and pay more than most jobs that require a degree.

so many issues with online testing this year, it’s crazy that for a ton of money per test (which were all basically just two questions this yr) you’d think they’d actually let us submit our answers

I love the way you integrate your ads in your videos. I actually look forward to them 👍🏼👍🏼

In Germany about half of college students are accepted based on high school grades alone, and half is accepted based on waiting lists. Oh, and college is not only free but poor and middle class students get stipents of up to 800$/month, of which they only have to pay back half and up to 5000$, and only after 10 years

@melanysalazar7071

4 жыл бұрын

Wow I honestly wish it was similar here, because it's like it's not only our grades that count but also the test scores, extracurriculars, honors, sports, volunteering, competitions, college essay, etc. And it's like they're expecting us to earn all As as well ad everything else just way too overwhelming and like we can't even get a good night's sleep because we're so busy trying to get into college to end up in tens of thousands of dollars of debt for a degree. And it's just so much, feel unfair but I guess we have no choice, if want a certain career.

Who is back in 2020 after taking APUSH and wanting to smash whatever they see into pieces

@crz3900

4 жыл бұрын

Yup

@jeffwarren1242

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine that feeling but after three hours.

@greenapples9293

4 жыл бұрын

Literally me😂 After having a technical problem on my exam and hopefully I’ll be able to take a retake, I made an anger cake, ya know, all the whisking and stuff can really release a lot of anger. (Off topic but my dog died later that night and then I still had to take the AP comp test on Wednesday but then decided not to because Mental Stability and basically, this week has been very far from a vibe and I want to join you in smashing the college board)

@lilil6753

4 жыл бұрын

Green Apples ouch I hope everything goes well on your side from now on

At my public highschool: You must take the PSAT in sophomore year, it is paid for by the PTSA. Every other SAT/ACT test is around $55. AP tests are $94 each and a class like AP Macro/Microeconomics is 2 AP tests ($188). Every standardized test is free to us and we usually take 2 in May. Almost every class has a class fee (does not include Humanities, Math, or Language courses). These fees range from $25-$100. You are expected to buy necessities for class, such as AP flashcards, tri-folds, yoga mats, or any project materials not given. If you are in a club, fees are usually around $15. If you are in a sport, fees are $75 + fees to get a physical exam. We have UW Courses (University of Washington courses) available, and the cost to apply the credits from the course to the academic profile of the student is $325. We also have ACT/SAT prep classes which cost about $600. We have drivers education courses which cost around $600 as well. There is a scholarship/financial aid system but I have seldom seen a single student utelize it.

"The company that rules education" Pearson: Am I a joke to you?

@boop5636

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Elijah Cabello you will never guess who owns collegeboard.

@TommyElijahCabelloReal

4 жыл бұрын

@@boop5636 Jeremy Singer?

@boop5636

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Elijah Cabello someone said Pearson owned collgeboard but idk

@greenapples9293

4 жыл бұрын

Considering I have no idea what Pearson is... yes.

The College Board makes you pay to request financial aid.

Yeah, I’d like for there to be more feedback or more of a breakdown of my AP scores. I took 5 AP exams this year and on one exam I got a lower score than I thought I would. It was the Capstone Seminar one, which has so many different parts that it’s hard to know which parts contributed to a lower score.

4:36 "Kimberly Jongathon-Unathon". Nice.

I gotta say, there's a reason I check the AP prep books out of my school's library instead of buying them. I also sincerely hop that the college board keeps their youtube videos up in future years. At least where I live the ACT is free for everyone once and those on free and reduced lunch twice but the pricing on these things is ridiculous.

I'm lucky enough to go to a school that pays for our AP Exams, but I can imagine how tough it must be to shell out upwards of $200 a year and still have to do piles of work just to do well.

I’m taking 6 AP classes this year, that’s going to be almost $600 in tests, and I don’t know how much money that will save me in college classes, if any at all. For the record these classes are, English 3 (language), physics 1, calculus bc, us history, computer science, and chemistry

@PolyMatter

6 жыл бұрын

Best of luck this year! For motivation, there are always great memes about each test afterwards on r/APStudents :)

@angelmiranda-acosta6092

4 жыл бұрын

@@PolyMatter not this year :/

Trust me you are super super super super super super super super awesome!!!! Your channel is so so so so so so so so informative and really deep-diving....thanks so so so so so so so so so much to the whole team behind this!!! Thanks!!! This is spectacular!!!

As a College Planner in New England- this video is spot on! Thanks for all the hard work on this...I will be sharing it

Mate, your content deserves way more attention than what you've gotten lately

I don't think there is a single well-educated student who has taken these AP exams who isn't disgusted with Collegeboard's practices of exploiting cornered children while in the middle of a year which will go down in infamy. I hope they are ashamed of themselves.

i got a good score on the SAT but then i got a 36 on the ACT so it didn't even matter because colleges only want to see your very best score. so much money wasted. also, AP tests are only worth taking if you can get credit for them and skip a class in college. so your $90 is only worth it if you get a 3+, sometimes 4+, or in some cases, only if you get a 5. (also many majors require subject tests now which are even more hassle)

for this past year, AP classes at my school were only 10 dollars each due to a NMSI grant, at the expense of the students attending NMSI sessions on Saturdays a few times a year or doing teacher assigned packets if they had a valid excuse. this coming year, my senior year, won’t be affected by the NMSI grant so we all assume classes will be 100 as usual, unless otherwise stated by the school. problem is, every student asking the faculty for the past 5 months has been met with “we don’t know yet.” how can you expect students to go through scheduling not knowing how much a class costs?? especially with covid happening, the cost of AP classes is completely insane. a lot of the families at my school are lower income, so it’s either fork up a hundred per class now or, if they choose to go to college, fork up 1000 dollars per class. lack of communication between my school and College Board, and College Board’s lack of care at the moment, means me and many other students may end up paying up to 800 dollars out of the blue in the fall and then just pray to get a scholarship to carry us through at least part of college. the NMSI program just showed us all how meaningless the price was.